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Incentives work but why oh why would the NHS be doing this?
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"The NHS is giving GPs an extra £10 for every care home resident that they vaccinate by the end of the month."
Surely the 'incentive' is that GPs just get people vaccinated without it being driven by a grab for cash?
This money should be being used to get vaccinations to people not rewarding them for doing it. |
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over a year ago
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""The NHS is giving GPs an extra £10 for every care home resident that they vaccinate by the end of the month."
Surely the 'incentive' is that GPs just get people vaccinated without it being driven by a grab for cash?
This money should be being used to get vaccinations to people not rewarding them for doing it."
What the ?
I don't even.
Really ?
Gobsmacked honestly gobsmacked. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""The NHS is giving GPs an extra £10 for every care home resident that they vaccinate by the end of the month."
Surely the 'incentive' is that GPs just get people vaccinated without it being driven by a grab for cash?
This money should be being used to get vaccinations to people not rewarding them for doing it."
GPs run a business. |
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I would like a breakdown of the cost schedule and what defines 'extra'. There are costs involved in admimistering this vaccine on scale
Reckon the word comes from a spin doctor to the same tired institutions. We swallow it. Very British. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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""The NHS is giving GPs an extra £10 for every care home resident that they vaccinate by the end of the month."
Surely the 'incentive' is that GPs just get people vaccinated without it being driven by a grab for cash?
This money should be being used to get vaccinations to people not rewarding them for doing it.
GPs run a business."
Yep and they sell their services to the NHS. This is outside their normal operations. |
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The £10 per resident might fund the additional cost of going out to homes to do this. The staff are away from the surgery for prolonged periods, have travel costs, the surgery is also supposed to continue doing routine stuff too. Some might need to employ temporary locums to assist with all this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I totally agree with you OP but like most things that become privatised or sub privatised with having their own budgets, profit and balance sheets come into play.
Don't start me on the private healthcare provided by consultants using NHS equipment, space, and slots. There should be a clear division between the two. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Actually I agree with it, the more people we can get vaccinated away from hospitals frees up time for them to help others tbf"
I doubt many would disagree with that.
It would be more logical to have much larger dedicated vaccination centres, considering all involved with storage, waiting time after the vaccine is administered. We don't need GPs doing it. There are many others in retirement, on leave, students etc, etc whom with a little additional training could be used for this particular task and supervised. That should have been implemented months ago in preparation. This would keep GPs focused on what they have been doing and not detract from it.
Israel is an interesting country to look at on this as they have shown clear strategic implications of this. |
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"Actually I agree with it, the more people we can get vaccinated away from hospitals frees up time for them to help others tbf
I doubt many would disagree with that.
It would be more logical to have much larger dedicated vaccination centres, considering all involved with storage, waiting time after the vaccine is administered. We don't need GPs doing it. There are many others in retirement, on leave, students etc, etc whom with a little additional training could be used for this particular task and supervised. That should have been implemented months ago in preparation. This would keep GPs focused on what they have been doing and not detract from it.
Israel is an interesting country to look at on this as they have shown clear strategic implications of this."
Care home residents (to whom this £10 payment refers) cannot come to mass vaccination centres though. My understanding is that the payment is designed to cover the extra cost of GP surgeries sending staff (could be nurses or other trained vaccinators) to each care home. Some will have 20 residents, some will have 200 etc.
For the otherwise able, mass vaccination centres in church halls, sports halls etc is exactly what's being done/planned. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I work for a GP and we've not heard of that at all
https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/01/nhs-to-deliver-first-jabs-with-new-oxford-vaccine/
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It kinda reads like an incentive to encourage GPs to redirect their programme and energies for this month's, though not sure if that's true or not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Actually I agree with it, the more people we can get vaccinated away from hospitals frees up time for them to help others tbf
I doubt many would disagree with that.
It would be more logical to have much larger dedicated vaccination centres, considering all involved with storage, waiting time after the vaccine is administered. We don't need GPs doing it. There are many others in retirement, on leave, students etc, etc whom with a little additional training could be used for this particular task and supervised. That should have been implemented months ago in preparation. This would keep GPs focused on what they have been doing and not detract from it.
Israel is an interesting country to look at on this as they have shown clear strategic implications of this.
Care home residents (to whom this £10 payment refers) cannot come to mass vaccination centres though. My understanding is that the payment is designed to cover the extra cost of GP surgeries sending staff (could be nurses or other trained vaccinators) to each care home. Some will have 20 residents, some will have 200 etc.
For the otherwise able, mass vaccination centres in church halls, sports halls etc is exactly what's being done/planned."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Actually I agree with it, the more people we can get vaccinated away from hospitals frees up time for them to help others tbf
I doubt many would disagree with that.
It would be more logical to have much larger dedicated vaccination centres, considering all involved with storage, waiting time after the vaccine is administered. We don't need GPs doing it. There are many others in retirement, on leave, students etc, etc whom with a little additional training could be used for this particular task and supervised. That should have been implemented months ago in preparation. This would keep GPs focused on what they have been doing and not detract from it.
Israel is an interesting country to look at on this as they have shown clear strategic implications of this.
Care home residents (to whom this £10 payment refers) cannot come to mass vaccination centres though. My understanding is that the payment is designed to cover the extra cost of GP surgeries sending staff (could be nurses or other trained vaccinators) to each care home. Some will have 20 residents, some will have 200 etc.
For the otherwise able, mass vaccination centres in church halls, sports halls etc is exactly what's being done/planned."
The Oxford vaccine is certainly easier to move around and store than the Pfizer one. This may have been a consideration in the planning of the vaccination program and to whom each is given too. |
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perhaps bribing GP's is the outcome of decades of backdoor privatisation. GP practices are merely outsourced healthcare and is probably the reason that the GP surgery system has failed in the last decade. |
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"Actually I agree with it, the more people we can get vaccinated away from hospitals frees up time for them to help others tbf
I doubt many would disagree with that.
It would be more logical to have much larger dedicated vaccination centres, considering all involved with storage, waiting time after the vaccine is administered. We don't need GPs doing it. There are many others in retirement, on leave, students etc, etc whom with a little additional training could be used for this particular task and supervised. That should have been implemented months ago in preparation. This would keep GPs focused on what they have been doing and not detract from it.
Israel is an interesting country to look at on this as they have shown clear strategic implications of this.
Care home residents (to whom this £10 payment refers) cannot come to mass vaccination centres though. My understanding is that the payment is designed to cover the extra cost of GP surgeries sending staff (could be nurses or other trained vaccinators) to each care home. Some will have 20 residents, some will have 200 etc.
For the otherwise able, mass vaccination centres in church halls, sports halls etc is exactly what's being done/planned.
The Oxford vaccine is certainly easier to move around and store than the Pfizer one. This may have been a consideration in the planning of the vaccination program and to whom each is given too."
Indeed. My Dad's mega polyclinic close to two large hospitals was able to start acting as a mass vaccination centre for most of the Wirral Peninsula with the Pfizer vaccine, a week after that was approved. In contrast, my Grandad's GP in rural Cumbria was not able to start with the Pfizer one and we're waiting to see what their plan is for the Oxford one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As far as monetary incentives that saturate the entire medical industry go, £10 barely even thinks about sctratching the surface. (Source: former pharma sales rep, dentist and med student in the family, etc)
Earlier in the year, and still as far as im aware, hospital were/are incentivised to report it as cause of death to the tune of over £16k per case, and almost 40k if a ventilator was used. Nothing untoward there, eh... |
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""The NHS is giving GPs an extra £10 for every care home resident that they vaccinate by the end of the month."
Surely the 'incentive' is that GPs just get people vaccinated without it being driven by a grab for cash?
This money should be being used to get vaccinations to people not rewarding them for doing it."
I "believe" that it is not supposed to be an incentive, but compensation for their time & labour. The concept is that GPs are being asked to use their resources to carry out the vaccination on behalf of the NHS, the money will cover the practices' cost of doing the "work".
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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago
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"Actually I agree with it, the more people we can get vaccinated away from hospitals frees up time for them to help others tbf
I doubt many would disagree with that.
It would be more logical to have much larger dedicated vaccination centres, considering all involved with storage, waiting time after the vaccine is administered. We don't need GPs doing it. There are many others in retirement, on leave, students etc, etc whom with a little additional training could be used for this particular task and supervised. That should have been implemented months ago in preparation. This would keep GPs focused on what they have been doing and not detract from it.
Israel is an interesting country to look at on this as they have shown clear strategic implications of this.
Care home residents (to whom this £10 payment refers) cannot come to mass vaccination centres though. My understanding is that the payment is designed to cover the extra cost of GP surgeries sending staff (could be nurses or other trained vaccinators) to each care home. Some will have 20 residents, some will have 200 etc.
For the otherwise able, mass vaccination centres in church halls, sports halls etc is exactly what's being done/planned."
Wouldn't it be good if the vaccinations centres were open 24/7 so that the fitter people in the "to vaccinate" group could go along even if called for at 3am. Spread the load instead of everyone getting done 9 to 5. |
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"As far as monetary incentives that saturate the entire medical industry go, £10 barely even thinks about sctratching the surface. (Source: former pharma sales rep, dentist and med student in the family, etc)
Earlier in the year, and still as far as im aware, hospital were/are incentivised to report it as cause of death to the tune of over £16k per case, and almost 40k if a ventilator was used. Nothing untoward there, eh..."
Can you possibly present some evidence of this, it sounds made up to me. |
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"Wouldn't it be good if the vaccinations centres were open 24/7 so that the fitter people in the "to vaccinate" group could go along even if called for at 3am. Spread the load instead of everyone getting done 9 to 5."
the octogenarians i have known tend sleep all day in a chair and are then up all night .... maybe give them the middle of the night slots in your 24hr plan  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would like to know where this is evidenced. GPs are not administering vaccines to care home residents district/community nurses are. And if I'm correct care home residents have not began receiving the vaccine as yet?. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As far as monetary incentives that saturate the entire medical industry go, £10 barely even thinks about sctratching the surface. (Source: former pharma sales rep, dentist and med student in the family, etc)
Earlier in the year, and still as far as im aware, hospital were/are incentivised to report it as cause of death to the tune of over £16k per case, and almost 40k if a ventilator was used. Nothing untoward there, eh...
Can you possibly present some evidence of this, it sounds made up to me."
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/hospitals-have-incentive-to-inflate-covid-deaths-cdc-chief-admits
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"As far as monetary incentives that saturate the entire medical industry go, £10 barely even thinks about sctratching the surface. (Source: former pharma sales rep, dentist and med student in the family, etc)
Earlier in the year, and still as far as im aware, hospital were/are incentivised to report it as cause of death to the tune of over £16k per case, and almost 40k if a ventilator was used. Nothing untoward there, eh...
Can you possibly present some evidence of this, it sounds made up to me.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/hospitals-have-incentive-to-inflate-covid-deaths-cdc-chief-admits
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That’s in America, not the NHS |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As far as monetary incentives that saturate the entire medical industry go, £10 barely even thinks about sctratching the surface. (Source: former pharma sales rep, dentist and med student in the family, etc)
Earlier in the year, and still as far as im aware, hospital were/are incentivised to report it as cause of death to the tune of over £16k per case, and almost 40k if a ventilator was used. Nothing untoward there, eh..."
I'd like a source or link for that please. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I would like to know where this is evidenced. GPs are not administering vaccines to care home residents district/community nurses are. And if I'm correct care home residents have not began receiving the vaccine as yet?."
I placed a LINK above.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As far as monetary incentives that saturate the entire medical industry go, £10 barely even thinks about sctratching the surface. (Source: former pharma sales rep, dentist and med student in the family, etc)
Earlier in the year, and still as far as im aware, hospital were/are incentivised to report it as cause of death to the tune of over £16k per case, and almost 40k if a ventilator was used. Nothing untoward there, eh...
I'd like a source or link for that please."
Read above post so ignore. |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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Makes more sense I guess having read more. So I take back my initial thoughts.
Also . . .
https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/12/gps-given-10-per-jab-boost-to-support-care-home-vaccination-drive/
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"Primary care networks (PCNs) are to be paid an extra £10 per dose of COVID-19 vaccine delivered in care homes as part of a drive to vaccinate all residents in homes with more than 50 beds by the end of the year, NHS England has said."
Thats the headline from GPonline, |
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