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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? " Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told! "We must have loads of good quality Drs and Nurses in the armed forces and loads that have retired who could help with this, it’s so frustrating watching this all unfold on a daily basis but we don’t seem to be going that extra mile to help solve this and get the country back on its feet | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
We must have loads of good quality Drs and Nurses in the armed forces and loads that have retired who could help with this, it’s so frustrating watching this all unfold on a daily basis but we don’t seem to be going that extra mile to help solve this and get the country back on its feet "Well that’s what I think... I also don’t understand why this isn’t being offered if the figures / death rates are as extreme as we are being told? Why is this not a priority? | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? " I have seen a video of a Gloucester Hospital that looked like a ghost town, A&E departments are quiet, routine operations all cancelled, surely these Drs and Nurses could be quickly trained to administer a jab!! | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? " At the simplest level not enough vaccines and not enough staff. The BionTech Vax has very much more complicated difficulties of transport and storage and a very short shelf-span after unfreezing. Most of the World is now freely reporting that there will be vaccine shortages for quite a few months. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? " When and if the vaccination program starts fully (another discussion) then it will be 24/7. But there’s a lot to happen before that starts | |||
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"People could also self administer surely? That would speed things up? " To train people would take longer than to administer. | |||
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"What happened too all those thousands of retired medical professionals who were going to come out of retirement to help with this pandemic? Serious question? I remember reading about it all but don’t think it came off? " My doctor friend laughed and said many of these people did show up but are retired for a reason and some are obviously in the more at risk category... but before I get a barrage of abuse from retired professionals who I’m sure are still willing and able his words not mine as I’m not qualified to comment, not a medical professional and sure it varies from place to place ok! | |||
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"People could also self administer surely? That would speed things up? To train people would take longer than to administer. " Not really. It could be something as simple as a video, it’s not rocket science | |||
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"What happened too all those thousands of retired medical professionals who were going to come out of retirement to help with this pandemic? Serious question? I remember reading about it all but don’t think it came off? My doctor friend laughed and said many of these people did show up but are retired for a reason and some are obviously in the more at risk category... but before I get a barrage of abuse from retired professionals who I’m sure are still willing and able his words not mine as I’m not qualified to comment, not a medical professional and sure it varies from place to place ok! " I think maybe this is why the powers that be thought the nightingale hospitals would be ok to be running as all these staff would be back, in stead there are thousands of current staff sitting at home isolating... go figure | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight." Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? | |||
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"It requires the full logistics, including resources with staff, at high volume to achieve this. The 1st vaccine isn't as easy to store and transport as others, so makes it tougher. The Oxford jab opens this up more easily as a potential strategy? But still needs the huge volume of staff to inject people. We're probably not close to having them just yet but we should target closer to 24/7 coverage, where physical treatment space is limited. The key issue for the 1st target group, the over 80s, is that getting them mobile in the middle of the night, with snow, ice etc around, isn't as safe or recommended as daytime. Once we move to younger, fitter people, it becomes easier and more appropriate to do. If we have the space to do it during reasonable hours, it would still be better than middle of the night. Many have no private transport and buses etc don't run typically in the middle of the night etc. " Surely these most vulnerable people should be vaccinated at home or a mass programme in the care homes? The vaccine is safe apparently so this should be feasible? | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? " Vaccines are always given in a state of clinical oversight. Always have been always will be. Nothing to do with the vaccine being safe it's to do with those people who may have an adverse reaction. | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told! "I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible. There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals. If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already | |||
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"People could also self administer surely? That would speed things up? To train people would take longer than to administer. Not really. It could be something as simple as a video, it’s not rocket science "Have you met the general public | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible.
There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals.
If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already"World wide shortage of vaccines for one. | |||
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"It requires the full logistics, including resources with staff, at high volume to achieve this. The 1st vaccine isn't as easy to store and transport as others, so makes it tougher. The Oxford jab opens this up more easily as a potential strategy? But still needs the huge volume of staff to inject people. We're probably not close to having them just yet but we should target closer to 24/7 coverage, where physical treatment space is limited. The key issue for the 1st target group, the over 80s, is that getting them mobile in the middle of the night, with snow, ice etc around, isn't as safe or recommended as daytime. Once we move to younger, fitter people, it becomes easier and more appropriate to do. If we have the space to do it during reasonable hours, it would still be better than middle of the night. Many have no private transport and buses etc don't run typically in the middle of the night etc. " To me this is a national emergency this is our generations World War we can make all the excuses for this not to happen, apparently 500000 or more people offered there services in the first lockdown, I would happily volunteer to take people to be vaccinated at whatever time of day, to many excuses | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible.
There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals.
If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already"Maybe the virus isn’t as serious / deadly as we are fed constantly via the media... ? | |||
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"If people cannot do simple thing properly such as take full complete courses of antibiotics, post surgery wound care, attend follow up appointments for treatments, i personally cannot see how they could follow the proper process of self administering a vaccine. Especially considering the vaccine has to be stored properly, the needles need disposing of safely. People would collect a vaccine just to say they had one at home and not use it. I know not everyone behaves like this but self administering is a bad idea. " | |||
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"People could also self administer surely? That would speed things up? To train people would take longer than to administer. Not really. It could be something as simple as a video, it’s not rocket science
Have you met the general public"Yes. I work with them. It just seems there are excuses after excuses which don’t add up... | |||
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"People could also self administer surely? That would speed things up? To train people would take longer than to administer. Not really. It could be something as simple as a video, it’s not rocket science
Have you met the general public
Yes. I work with them. It just seems there are excuses after excuses which don’t add up... "Even without dealing with the staff issus and medical good practice. There is a WORLD WIDE SHORTAGE of Vaccines | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible.
There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals.
If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already
World wide shortage of vaccines for one."Also a world wide shortage of glass to make the phials which houses the vaccine. | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible.
There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals.
If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already
World wide shortage of vaccines for one.
Also a world wide shortage of glass to make the phials which houses the vaccine."Really? How strange | |||
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"People could also self administer surely? That would speed things up? To train people would take longer than to administer. Not really. It could be something as simple as a video, it’s not rocket science
Have you met the general public
Yes. I work with them. It just seems there are excuses after excuses which don’t add up...
Even without dealing with the staff issus and medical good practice.
There is a WORLD WIDE SHORTAGE of Vaccines"Forgive me as I haven’t seen this on the news the Vaccine shortage or is that just more bullshit being spread I’m sure the Oxford one will be easier as you only have to keep it in the fridge and isn’t it cheaper? Where is the ww1 and ww2 spirit that this country was famous for | |||
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"People could also self administer surely? That would speed things up? To train people would take longer than to administer. Not really. It could be something as simple as a video, it’s not rocket science
Have you met the general public
Yes. I work with them. It just seems there are excuses after excuses which don’t add up... "My boss is a st John’s medic and engaged in supporting the roll out of the vaccine (now training). Volunteers and vaccine supply are the hold up | |||
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" There is a WORLD WIDE SHORTAGE of Vaccines Forgive me as I haven’t seen this on the news the Vaccine shortage or is that just more bullshit being spread I’m sure the Oxford one will be easier as you only have to keep it in the fridge and isn’t it cheaper? Where is the ww1 and ww2 spirit that this country was famous for " You can grab any of the quoted text below and google it and find the article yourself. | |||
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"People could also self administer surely? That would speed things up? To train people would take longer than to administer. Not really. It could be something as simple as a video, it’s not rocket science
Have you met the general public
Yes. I work with them. It just seems there are excuses after excuses which don’t add up...
Even without dealing with the staff issus and medical good practice.
There is a WORLD WIDE SHORTAGE of Vaccines
Forgive me as I haven’t seen this on the news the Vaccine shortage or is that just more bullshit being spread I’m sure the Oxford one will be easier as you only have to keep it in the fridge and isn’t it cheaper? Where is the ww1 and ww2 spirit that this country was famous for "Or maybe they are being sold abroad for inflated prices? Makes you wonder... | |||
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" Or maybe they are being sold abroad for inflated prices? Makes you wonder... "Or maybe there is just a would wide shortage of vaccines | |||
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"Well rant over so I’m going to the gym to have a work out! O no I can’t go to the pub instead o no I can’t retail therapy shopping o no I can’t see my big family o no I can’t already seen another household erm cinema o no I can’t I know a nice meal out! O no I can’t I’ve got it pop round the neighbours o no I can’t right off to horrible golden triangle and join a massive long queue for a shitty burger Happy New Year " Such is life as we have it right now. Happy New Year. | |||
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" There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this." Current situation as mentioned is availability of the vaccine at point of use being an issue. This will improve with the availability of AZ vaccine. But the idea we have tens of thousands of military personnel available is sadly laughable. 14,000 have been made available. Many of whom might be good with a bayonet but would you want them stabbing your arm? All the rest are busy deployed, injured or getting ready for deployment and maintaining security, keeping an aircraft carrier from crashing etc. Our military force is tiny. Sri lanka have a bigger army for example. If you scrap everyone together in our military there is less than 150,000. Sounds like a lot but it isnt when you consider they are working all over the world. The military medical professionals best positioned to vaccinate are already deployed or working in the NHS so there arent more people just available to throw at the problem. I think the WI needs to be mobilised. | |||
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"If people cannot do simple thing properly such as take full complete courses of antibiotics, post surgery wound care, attend follow up appointments for treatments, i personally cannot see how they could follow the proper process of self administering a vaccine. Especially considering the vaccine has to be stored properly, the needles need disposing of safely. People would collect a vaccine just to say they had one at home and not use it. I know not everyone behaves like this but self administering is a bad idea. Im also wondering if there is a cross over with retired older staff: could they be shielding as to why many haven't come forward? "
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? I have seen a video of a Gloucester Hospital that looked like a ghost town, A&E departments are quiet, routine operations all cancelled, surely these Drs and Nurses could be quickly trained to administer a jab!!" Have you checked your sources, checked why before making the assumptions or implications you may want from stating such a thing? Otherwise it feeds the conspiracies with more false information. We have two like that here in NI. The reason is they have been set apart as covid centres if they need to move all covid patients, all great when they thought it out but all the staff were relocated to help other hospitals. Bit of a chicken an egg situation made even worse with the numbers of staff off sick or isolating. | |||
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"Why cant they make it in "tablet form " then just post it out ? Is tablet form possible?????" No not currently. There isnt a tablet covid vaccine and the current ones available would be completely ineffective if taken orally | |||
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"What happened too all those thousands of retired medical professionals who were going to come out of retirement to help with this pandemic? Serious question? I remember reading about it all but don’t think it came off? " Putting it simply, they didn’t. The Gov have underfunded them for years putting more & more pressure on them & the service & then when a virus comes along & specifically seems to knock off those over retirement age. They want the retired to come back & help. Yeah ok I can see that having a big uptake S | |||
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"Why cant they make it in "tablet form " then just post it out ? Is tablet form possible????? No not currently. There isnt a tablet covid vaccine and the current ones available would be completely ineffective if taken orally" However once ive had the vaccine you could try taking me orally and if you squeeze hard enough.... dont know might work  | |||
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"Well rant over so I’m going to the gym to have a work out! O no I can’t go to the pub instead o no I can’t retail therapy shopping o no I can’t see my big family o no I can’t already seen another household erm cinema o no I can’t I know a nice meal out! O no I can’t I’ve got it pop round the neighbours o no I can’t right off to horrible golden triangle and join a massive long queue for a shitty burger Happy New Year " Depends where you are but outside of visiting, the rest on your list I can miss out on without it bothering me too much. Pretty sure I went to a pub twice in 2019! Cinema? lol if I want to drive 26 miles! & what’s a Gym? It’s different depending on where you live & what you did before isn’t it. Townie & City dwellers are having a tougher time of it for sure as they see empty streets & closed businesses every day & the hustle & bustle is gone. Out here we see nothing, there is no closed/open because there is nothing to be closed/open for six miles or more so day to day it’s had next to zero effect on our lives. S | |||
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"As Cat said there is not enough vaccine to do 24/7 Secured so far USA 600 million doses EU 300 million doses JAPAN 120 million doses UK 40 million doses The figures are correct (at present!) However what is inexcusable is the amount of vaccine that is currently being disposed of due to nothing more than poor logistics and lack of foresight. Some people simply need to pull their fingers out and do the job expected of them. It is one of those situations where you are only limited by your imagination! WHO are trying to get it produced elsewhere for poorer countries " | |||
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" Some people can't follow the simplest instructions." Yet the government expects children over 11 to swab themselves correctly for two Covid tests before they can return to school. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? " Not enough doctors and nurses following over a decade of under investment | |||
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" Some people can't follow the simplest instructions. Yet the government expects children over 11 to swab themselves correctly for two Covid tests before they can return to school. " This would be done with parental supervision mostly wouldn't it? I do think that Vaccinating oneself is entirely a different level of ability than is spitting into a test tube and reading instructions about where to put it on the device. | |||
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" Some people can't follow the simplest instructions. Yet the government expects children over 11 to swab themselves correctly for two Covid tests before they can return to school. " That’s interesting. My children are being tested at school under the supervision of teachers | |||
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"Yes they will be supervised at school to do their own a swab test. Parents won't be present. " In loco parentis then  | |||
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"Yes they will be supervised at school to do their own a swab test. Parents won't be present. In loco parentis then "Well yes | |||
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"Well rant over so I’m going to the gym to have a work out! O no I can’t go to the pub instead o no I can’t retail therapy shopping o no I can’t see my big family o no I can’t already seen another household erm cinema o no I can’t I know a nice meal out! O no I can’t I’ve got it pop round the neighbours o no I can’t right off to horrible golden triangle and join a massive long queue for a shitty burger Happy New Year " And soon you won't be able to go to a hospital as they'll all be full of covid patients... | |||
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"Can I just add DRY ICE again. Is in shortage too, not just the ingredients that make up the vaccine itself. Or the logistical problems of a vaccine that needs to be colder than -70 degrees. So it's storage fridges too that you don't just throw around as if it was a cheap tiny home fridge - then there is the oversight of installation into premises local to the vaccination outlets and on and on it goes . . . I really don't know why anyone is surprised at this. The whole World after all is trying to get the whole world vaccinated at the same time. Any breakdown in any part of the chain is going to fook the other parts. Like the vaccine itself - we need to chill for a while - we have come this far already. I think that there is a far shorter distance now to travel than the one we have already been on. "
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told! "id imagine the uptake of 3am tests and jabs to be low too... they could extend hours to similar to polling days though , early starts and late finishes without being full 24hr | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? " Not possible even a police state | |||
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" We must have loads of good quality Drs and Nurses in the armed forces and loads that have retired who could help with this, it’s so frustrating watching this all unfold on a daily basis but we don’t seem to be going that extra mile to help solve this and get the country back on its feet " Actually about 80% of the army’s medical staff are Territorials who also work within the NHS, how do you expect them to work 2 jobs? As for retired staff... aren’t a lot of them the people most at risk due to their age range? | |||
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"Forgive me as I haven’t seen this on the news the Vaccine shortage or is that just more bullshit being spread I’m sure the Oxford one will be easier as you only have to keep it in the fridge and isn’t it cheaper? Where is the ww1 and ww2 spirit that this country was famous for " When you say Ww2 spirit... do you mean people accepting the wars impact, accepting food shortages, accepting curfews, accepting compromise to their lives whilst others addressed the problem that was the AXIS forces... they did it with patience and despite bass news along the way did it with totally support for the aim everyone wanted. If you want to replicate that Ww2 spirit perhaps trust those working on healthcare, vacinnes, advice etc and do what would make us stronger on this pandemic... give them 100% of your efforts. | |||
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"Forgive me as I haven’t seen this on the news the Vaccine shortage or is that just more bullshit being spread I’m sure the Oxford one will be easier as you only have to keep it in the fridge and isn’t it cheaper? Where is the ww1 and ww2 spirit that this country was famous for When you say Ww2 spirit... do you mean people accepting the wars impact, accepting food shortages, accepting curfews, accepting compromise to their lives whilst others addressed the problem that was the AXIS forces... they did it with patience and despite bass news along the way did it with totally support for the aim everyone wanted. If you want to replicate that Ww2 spirit perhaps trust those working on healthcare, vacinnes, advice etc and do what would make us stronger on this pandemic... give them 100% of your efforts." I accept all the rules that are being applied, what I would like to see is an army of volunteers to help with the logistics etc of getting more people vaccinated quicker and not just plodding along with the 9-5 office hours type attitude | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? " Yes. Even if 24/7 working were an option, even in shifts, there are lots of things that can go wrong and slow things up. However, the main reason it's not happening is that you live in a country that, since 1979, has bee entirely run on the principle of "Fuck everyone else, as long as I'm ok, I don't give a shit." People may think that's harsh; but I'd remind you of the panic buying and all the careless fuckwits calling for hundreds of thousands to be sacrificed, to let herd immunity take place, just so their lives wouldn't be inconvenienced in any way. It is, of course, a coincidence that the breeding ground of the more virulent, mutated version of Covid 19 was the Tory heartland of SE England. Coincidence; but, ironically, fitting - given the "Me! Me! Me!" attitude they've spent over 40 years enabling; whilst simultaneously destroying communities - especially the ones that don't buy into their bullshit. The fact that this country cannot - particularly under its current, dangerously incompetent, leadership - unite in the face of a common threat, after decades of diminishing the role of the state in the overall welfare of the country, really is no surprise. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? ----- I have seen a video of a Gloucester Hospital that looked like a ghost town, A&E departments are quiet, routine operations all cancelled, surely these Drs and Nurses could be quickly trained to administer a jab!!" That's interesting as most hospitals are declaring that they are over-run, overwhelmed, over capacity, etc... | |||
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" Or maybe they are being sold abroad for inflated prices? Makes you wonder...
Or maybe there is just a would wide shortage of vaccines "Pfizer are building a new manufacturing facility in Marburg, Germany. Hopefully on stream sometime this year. They are also looking at sub-contracting supply out to other vaccine manufacturers. Astra-Zeneca have said that they will be producing 2 million doses per week this month. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? ----- I have seen a video of a Gloucester Hospital that looked like a ghost town, A&E departments are quiet, routine operations all cancelled, surely these Drs and Nurses could be quickly trained to administer a jab!! That's interesting as most hospitals are declaring that they are over-run, overwhelmed, over capacity, etc..." Covid patients are unlikely to be in accident and emergency. Only been in to a and e once during lockdown, to an elderly relative in. It was surprisingly busy considering no pubs were open. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? " Red tape. Cost. Staff. Bad planning. Political incompetence. | |||
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" Or maybe they are being sold abroad for inflated prices? Makes you wonder...
Or maybe there is just a would wide shortage of vaccines
Pfizer are building a new manufacturing facility in Marburg, Germany. Hopefully on stream sometime this year.
They are also looking at sub-contracting supply out to other vaccine manufacturers.
Astra-Zeneca have said that they will be producing 2 million doses per week this month. "But can only obtain 400.000 vials a week. | |||
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" Or maybe they are being sold abroad for inflated prices? Makes you wonder...
Or maybe there is just a would wide shortage of vaccines
Pfizer are building a new manufacturing facility in Marburg, Germany. Hopefully on stream sometime this year.
They are also looking at sub-contracting supply out to other vaccine manufacturers.
Astra-Zeneca have said that they will be producing 2 million doses per week this month.
But can only obtain 400.000 vials a week."You get many doses per vial though. Cal | |||
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"Covid patients are unlikely to be in accident and emergency. Only been in to a and e once during lockdown, to an elderly relative in. It was surprisingly busy considering no pubs were open." Correct, covid or suspected covid complications come to us as immediate admissions, not via the ED. They are swabbed if not confirmed and then moved to wards once we know where to place them. | |||
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"Well rant over so I’m going to the gym to have a work out! O no I can’t go to the pub instead o no I can’t retail therapy shopping o no I can’t see my big family o no I can’t already seen another household erm cinema o no I can’t I know a nice meal out! O no I can’t I’ve got it pop round the neighbours o no I can’t right off to horrible golden triangle and join a massive long queue for a shitty burger Happy New Year " go to b&q and buy some wood then make yourself a violin. thats if there is any wood left as everyone has been busy doing essential DIY jobs they have been meaning to do for the last 10 years. and the bonus is apparently you don't catch it in shops. | |||
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" Or maybe they are being sold abroad for inflated prices? Makes you wonder...
Or maybe there is just a would wide shortage of vaccines
Pfizer are building a new manufacturing facility in Marburg, Germany. Hopefully on stream sometime this year.
They are also looking at sub-contracting supply out to other vaccine manufacturers.
Astra-Zeneca have said that they will be producing 2 million doses per week this month.
But can only obtain 400.000 vials a week."Both Pfizer and Astra report no problems to current agreed vaccine delivery schedules. | |||
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" Both Pfizer and Astra report no problems to current agreed vaccine delivery schedules. " Great that you are in contact with them both. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? " I had a test today. I then pulled over to take a phone call. Including myself they tested 4 people in half an hour. Testing on a grand scale wasn't and never will be necessary and we certainly don't need 24/7 testing! People moan about nearly everything (you've only got to look at this forum) how do you think they'll react to a vaccine appointment at 03:15  | |||
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" Or maybe they are being sold abroad for inflated prices? Makes you wonder...
Or maybe there is just a would wide shortage of vaccines
Pfizer are building a new manufacturing facility in Marburg, Germany. Hopefully on stream sometime this year.
They are also looking at sub-contracting supply out to other vaccine manufacturers.
Astra-Zeneca have said that they will be producing 2 million doses per week this month.
But can only obtain 400.000 vials a week.
Both Pfizer and Astra report no problems to current agreed vaccine delivery schedules. "To be fair I read this too so who knows the truth | |||
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" Both Pfizer and Astra report no problems to current agreed vaccine delivery schedules. Great that you are in contact with them both. " You'll find official press releases from both Companies online. Or, if you prefer, believe Karen on Facebook. | |||
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"Can I just add DRY ICE again. Is in shortage too, not just the ingredients that make up the vaccine itself. Or the logistical problems of a vaccine that needs to be colder than -70 degrees. So it's storage fridges too that you don't just throw around as if it was a cheap tiny home fridge - then there is the oversight of installation into premises local to the vaccination outlets and on and on it goes . . . I really don't know why anyone is surprised at this. The whole World after all is trying to get the whole world vaccinated at the same time. Any breakdown in any part of the chain is going to fook the other parts. Like the vaccine itself - we need to chill for a while - we have come this far already. I think that there is a far shorter distance now to travel than the one we have already been on.
People just seem to think that vaccines will miraculously appear in their billions. No thought for the glass vials, machines, ingredients, in process testing, distribution, storage, etc etc. "This | |||
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"It requires the full logistics, including resources with staff, at high volume to achieve this. The 1st vaccine isn't as easy to store and transport as others, so makes it tougher. The Oxford jab opens this up more easily as a potential strategy? But still needs the huge volume of staff to inject people. We're probably not close to having them just yet but we should target closer to 24/7 coverage, where physical treatment space is limited. The key issue for the 1st target group, the over 80s, is that getting them mobile in the middle of the night, with snow, ice etc around, isn't as safe or recommended as daytime. Once we move to younger, fitter people, it becomes easier and more appropriate to do. If we have the space to do it during reasonable hours, it would still be better than middle of the night. Many have no private transport and buses etc don't run typically in the middle of the night etc. To me this is a national emergency this is our generations World War we can make all the excuses for this not to happen, apparently 500000 or more people offered there services in the first lockdown, I would happily volunteer to take people to be vaccinated at whatever time of day, to many excuses " Well according to the media it looks like I was correct in suggesting we go 24/7!! And no talk of any shortages either | |||
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"It requires the full logistics, including resources with staff, at high volume to achieve this. The 1st vaccine isn't as easy to store and transport as others, so makes it tougher. The Oxford jab opens this up more easily as a potential strategy? But still needs the huge volume of staff to inject people. We're probably not close to having them just yet but we should target closer to 24/7 coverage, where physical treatment space is limited. The key issue for the 1st target group, the over 80s, is that getting them mobile in the middle of the night, with snow, ice etc around, isn't as safe or recommended as daytime. Once we move to younger, fitter people, it becomes easier and more appropriate to do. If we have the space to do it during reasonable hours, it would still be better than middle of the night. Many have no private transport and buses etc don't run typically in the middle of the night etc. To me this is a national emergency this is our generations World War we can make all the excuses for this not to happen, apparently 500000 or more people offered there services in the first lockdown, I would happily volunteer to take people to be vaccinated at whatever time of day, to many excuses Well according to the media it looks like I was correct in suggesting we go 24/7!! And no talk of any shortages either " Yes you were | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? " Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. " Unfortunately at the min they can’t have it, but I’m guessing on a sunny day you look for a cloud | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible.
There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals.
If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already"Competent enough to administer an injection.. Nope | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible.
There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals.
If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. " That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. | |||
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"It requires the full logistics, including resources with staff, at high volume to achieve this. The 1st vaccine isn't as easy to store and transport as others, so makes it tougher. The Oxford jab opens this up more easily as a potential strategy? But still needs the huge volume of staff to inject people. We're probably not close to having them just yet but we should target closer to 24/7 coverage, where physical treatment space is limited. The key issue for the 1st target group, the over 80s, is that getting them mobile in the middle of the night, with snow, ice etc around, isn't as safe or recommended as daytime. Once we move to younger, fitter people, it becomes easier and more appropriate to do. If we have the space to do it during reasonable hours, it would still be better than middle of the night. Many have no private transport and buses etc don't run typically in the middle of the night etc. To me this is a national emergency this is our generations World War we can make all the excuses for this not to happen, apparently 500000 or more people offered there services in the first lockdown, I would happily volunteer to take people to be vaccinated at whatever time of day, to many excuses " I’ve just done this - they’re looking for people to drive hone based elderlies to vaccine hubs so you can. | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible.
There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals.
If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already
Competent enough to administer an injection.. Nope
So are you suggesting there aren’t medically trained people out there who could administer a jab!! To me if your medically trained anyway it wouldn’t take long to train you up to give a jab! It’s about going the extra mile to give people back there lives and income, as there are many of us who can’t work and don’t get 80% of their wages "You are dead right! It just seems to be excuses after excuses now, it’s kinda embarrassing | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. " Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? | |||
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"What about all the forces medics cant all be at war" This is what we say too. There will be thousands of medics that surely can be called upon. | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. " Who has died after having the vaccine? | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? " How many people have died after the vaccine? How long after the vaccine did they die? | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? " It doesn’t matter if it’s UK or any country, nobody should die after receiving a ‘safe’ vaccine surely? | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? It doesn’t matter if it’s UK or any country, nobody should die after receiving a ‘safe’ vaccine surely? " Well you have to remember how long the vaccine takes to give you the immunity it can take a few weeks to be affective and remember they say it takes 2 courses of it | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? " ...we think you are making this up  | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? ...we think you are making this up "Me? So what. Couldn’t give a monkeys what you think | |||
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"Health care assistants (who deliver b12, flu vaccines, take blood, ecg...) aren’t allowed to deliver the vaccine. It has to be drawn up and delivered by the same qualified nurse. So there is a lot less staff that can actually give it. GP practices deliver the flu vaccines brilliantly year in year out but the staff they use can’t support with this one. Such a shame " Some health care workers have been asked to administer it apparently? | |||
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"Health care assistants (who deliver b12, flu vaccines, take blood, ecg...) aren’t allowed to deliver the vaccine. It has to be drawn up and delivered by the same qualified nurse. So there is a lot less staff that can actually give it. GP practices deliver the flu vaccines brilliantly year in year out but the staff they use can’t support with this one. Such a shame " Of course their staff that can support are* and it’s being delivered very well by those that can. I should have added | |||
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"Who would pay for all of this? Will you be happy when your taxes go up?" What you don’t think taxes will go up after all this is finished !! The billions and billions of £ it has cost us!!! And no if I am earning I don’t mind a small tax raise to help and nobody should either | |||
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"Health care assistants (who deliver b12, flu vaccines, take blood, ecg...) aren’t allowed to deliver the vaccine. It has to be drawn up and delivered by the same qualified nurse. So there is a lot less staff that can actually give it. GP practices deliver the flu vaccines brilliantly year in year out but the staff they use can’t support with this one. Such a shame " i presume this is because technique is different, but surely health care assistants already qualified to do the other injections would not take much additional training to become qualified for this specific vaccine if extra rules / certification was out in place for them ... it wouldn’t help this week but would widen capacity a few weeks down the line ... we need to start looking at solutions not problems | |||
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"Health care assistants (who deliver b12, flu vaccines, take blood, ecg...) aren’t allowed to deliver the vaccine. It has to be drawn up and delivered by the same qualified nurse. So there is a lot less staff that can actually give it. GP practices deliver the flu vaccines brilliantly year in year out but the staff they use can’t support with this one. Such a shame i presume this is because technique is different, but surely health care assistants already qualified to do the other injections would not take much additional training to become qualified for this specific vaccine if extra rules / certification was out in place for them ... it wouldn’t help this week but would widen capacity a few weeks down the line ... we need to start looking at solutions not problems " Oh absolutely, they deliver injections/ vaccines all the time it’s crazy! But the legal implications of someone else drawing it up and someone else delivering it are huge if it goes wrong aren’t they. Guess it’s the balance of, we’re in a pandemic all hands to the pump Vs claim culture and making sure they can’t be targeted. No opinion either way, was just adding a reason as to why it’s a little slower in my area x | |||
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"Health care assistants (who deliver b12, flu vaccines, take blood, ecg...) aren’t allowed to deliver the vaccine. It has to be drawn up and delivered by the same qualified nurse. So there is a lot less staff that can actually give it. GP practices deliver the flu vaccines brilliantly year in year out but the staff they use can’t support with this one. Such a shame i presume this is because technique is different, but surely health care assistants already qualified to do the other injections would not take much additional training to become qualified for this specific vaccine if extra rules / certification was out in place for them ... it wouldn’t help this week but would widen capacity a few weeks down the line ... we need to start looking at solutions not problems " | |||
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"yeah i get that i just think then lets train them to do their own drawing up (wont pretend to fully understand that but the training must already exist if people who can do both do exist) " You’d think so wouldn’t you. They are already half way there with what they do day to day! Fingers crossed | |||
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"Who would pay for all of this? Will you be happy when your taxes go up?" I'd say the priority was making people safe rather than worrying about the cost. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! " I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! " Why are these people who have, volunteered to be vaccinaters(and some of these are ex NHS workers) being asked to sit through 18+online courses. Too much red tape in this country. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong " My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. " Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game | |||
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"Who would pay for all of this? Will you be happy when your taxes go up?" If it saves lives,yes. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! Why are these people who have, volunteered to be vaccinaters(and some of these are ex NHS workers) being asked to sit through 18+online courses. Too much red tape in this country. " Prob to do with keeping people safe? | |||
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"Tory cuts Shortage of PPE in March 40% cut in Pre crisis pandemic budget obfuscated by a decade of austerity Shortage of nurses - nurses training bursaries changed to repayable student loans BMA cited this as the reason for shortage of trainee nurses £20 million spent of faulty test kits NHS staff had to publicly crowd fund seven hundred thousand pounds for their PPE due to austerity cuts Remember all this when the tories tell you to clap for the NHS " Look just for once Fuck the politics and let’s all pull together to get this sorted that would help so much more | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game" I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse 
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? It doesn’t matter if it’s UK or any country, nobody should die after receiving a ‘safe’ vaccine surely? " Who has died? Who has died after receiving the vaccine? Which country? How many people have died? | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse
If anyone could do it surely the NHS staffing crisis wouldn’t be a crisis "You don't have to be a qualified nurse or doctor to do an injection just 2 hrs training I work for nhs and have no training but I could do a 2 hr course and be qualified to give vaccine injection it's not rocket science | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse
If anyone could do it surely the NHS staffing crisis wouldn’t be a crisis
"The nhs has had a lack of staff for a very long time now it's the same with paramedics they are always under staffed and probably always will be | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? It doesn’t matter if it’s UK or any country, nobody should die after receiving a ‘safe’ vaccine surely? Who has died? Who has died after receiving the vaccine? Which country? How many people have died?" Do you really think I need to respond from you? The answer is no, so stop with the question firing | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse
If anyone could do it surely the NHS staffing crisis wouldn’t be a crisis
You don't have to be a qualified nurse or doctor to do an injection just 2 hrs training I work for nhs and have no training but I could do a 2 hr course and be qualified to give vaccine injection it's not rocket science "Your not reading what I said. It’s 2 hours training to do an injection. It’s the drawing up training that is the issue. The covid vaccine needs drawing up- people that deliver injections cannot automatically do this. | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? It doesn’t matter if it’s UK or any country, nobody should die after receiving a ‘safe’ vaccine surely? Who has died? Who has died after receiving the vaccine? Which country? How many people have died? Do you really think I need to respond from you? The answer is no, so stop with the question firing "So you lied. | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? It doesn’t matter if it’s UK or any country, nobody should die after receiving a ‘safe’ vaccine surely? Who has died? Who has died after receiving the vaccine? Which country? How many people have died? Do you really think I need to respond from you? The answer is no, so stop with the question firing
So you lied. "No. | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? It doesn’t matter if it’s UK or any country, nobody should die after receiving a ‘safe’ vaccine surely? Who has died? Who has died after receiving the vaccine? Which country? How many people have died? Do you really think I need to respond from you? The answer is no, so stop with the question firing
So you lied.
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"We must have loads of good quality Drs and Nurses in the armed forces" The vast majority of those staff already work in NHS settings and will be doing their bit already. | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? It doesn’t matter if it’s UK or any country, nobody should die after receiving a ‘safe’ vaccine surely? Who has died? Who has died after receiving the vaccine? Which country? How many people have died? Do you really think I need to respond from you? The answer is no, so stop with the question firing
So you lied.
No.
Maybe not, but your conjecture is ridiculous and dangerous."The information is out there, is not for me to post links or do peoples research for them
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible.
There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals.
If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already
Competent enough to administer an injection.. Nope
So are you suggesting there aren’t medically trained people out there who could administer a jab!! To me if your medically trained anyway it wouldn’t take long to train you up to give a jab! It’s about going the extra mile to give people back there lives and income, as there are many of us who can’t work and don’t get 80% of their wages "I didn't say that. You assumed that. There are a lot of trained staff but most aren't. If you're happy at a tank driver giving you an injection, go ahead. I want competent vaccinators | |||
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" We must have loads of good quality Drs and Nurses in the armed forces and loads that have retired who could help with this, " The Armed Forces no longer run dedicated Military hospitals, the last closing or turned over to the local NHS trust in 1995, (although the hospital at RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus, stayed open until 2013). They have been replaced by Medical Defence Hospital Units (aka wards). There are 7 of these. Closing, transferring and selling off the military hospitals provided the bonus of being able to lose vast numbers of the medical workforce. After all, the Cold War was over, and it's not a if we will need all of those expensive doctors, nurses, theatre technicians, pharmacists, microbiologists is it? Even before the closures and the job loses the medical services were not recruited to the service line numbers required; the exception was RAF as they were able to say that full staffing was required for active airfields and the Navy for submarines. The Defence Medical Services now have approx 8000 staff (with around 4000 on Territorial Army strength). Most of them, whatever their job doctor, nurse, combat medical technician etc. will be working in the NHS in their day to day activities (and that includes those in the TA). A small core of command personnel remain to administer the so-called Field Hospitals that would be required in times of conflict but note that these hospitals would be staffed by military personnel pulled out of the NHS services they are working in. Trust me; the medical staff warned their commanders and the governments at the time(s) of the potential consequences of these cuts (See 'Options for Change') but ears become deaf to arguments when there's a potential promotion, or a CBE / Knighthood) to be had by going along with decimating the service. Having neutered the Army Medical Services in the late 1980s, attention has switched to the RAF and Navy. | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible.
There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals.
If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already
Competent enough to administer an injection.. Nope
So are you suggesting there aren’t medically trained people out there who could administer a jab!! To me if your medically trained anyway it wouldn’t take long to train you up to give a jab! It’s about going the extra mile to give people back there lives and income, as there are many of us who can’t work and don’t get 80% of their wages
You are dead right! It just seems to be excuses after excuses now, it’s kinda embarrassing "They have to be competent. Not guys running around playing soldiers | |||
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"What about all the forces medics cant all be at war This is what we say too. There will be thousands of medics that surely can be called upon." Maybe hundreds not thousands | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? ...we think you are making this up
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse
If anyone could do it surely the NHS staffing crisis wouldn’t be a crisis
You don't have to be a qualified nurse or doctor to do an injection just 2 hrs training I work for nhs and have no training but I could do a 2 hr course and be qualified to give vaccine injection it's not rocket science
Your not reading what I said.
It’s 2 hours training to do an injection.
It’s the drawing up training that is the issue.
The covid vaccine needs drawing up- people that deliver injections cannot automatically do this.
"hes only reading the posts that suit his opinion by the look of it i also suspect injection training is 2 hours on top of someones basic medical training they already have ... highly doubt a random off the street can take the same 2 hour course and be qualified , even beauty therapists just giving you a wax do module after module of biology anatomy and physiology before they are let loose on other types of training | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! " Yeah but that's your thoughts. Reality is probably different | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff " Your friend is already a qualified paramedic. That makes a difference. So suggesting taking them off the front line to administer the jab? Who does their job? | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse
If anyone could do it surely the NHS staffing crisis wouldn’t be a crisis
You don't have to be a qualified nurse or doctor to do an injection just 2 hrs training I work for nhs and have no training but I could do a 2 hr course and be qualified to give vaccine injection it's not rocket science
Your not reading what I said.
It’s 2 hours training to do an injection.
It’s the drawing up training that is the issue.
The covid vaccine needs drawing up- people that deliver injections cannot automatically do this.
hes only reading the posts that suit his opinion by the look of it
i also suspect injection training is 2 hours on top of someones basic medical training they already have ... highly doubt a random off the street can take the same 2 hour course and be qualified , even beauty therapists just giving you a wax do module after module of biology anatomy and physiology before they are let loose on other types of training "The injection is a simple procedure to do anyone could do it with 2 hrs training I would know I'm not going to spend all day having this conversation I've had a nice chat about it already with someone that understands about it so you have a nice day and be safe | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse
If anyone could do it surely the NHS staffing crisis wouldn’t be a crisis
You don't have to be a qualified nurse or doctor to do an injection just 2 hrs training I work for nhs and have no training but I could do a 2 hr course and be qualified to give vaccine injection it's not rocket science
Your not reading what I said.
It’s 2 hours training to do an injection.
It’s the drawing up training that is the issue.
The covid vaccine needs drawing up- people that deliver injections cannot automatically do this.
hes only reading the posts that suit his opinion by the look of it
i also suspect injection training is 2 hours on top of someones basic medical training they already have ... highly doubt a random off the street can take the same 2 hour course and be qualified , even beauty therapists just giving you a wax do module after module of biology anatomy and physiology before they are let loose on other types of training "Exactly Presumably you would need some 1st aid training too. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse
If anyone could do it surely the NHS staffing crisis wouldn’t be a crisis
You don't have to be a qualified nurse or doctor to do an injection just 2 hrs training I work for nhs and have no training but I could do a 2 hr course and be qualified to give vaccine injection it's not rocket science "Volunteer then | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse
If anyone could do it surely the NHS staffing crisis wouldn’t be a crisis
The nhs has had a lack of staff for a very long time now it's the same with paramedics they are always under staffed and probably always will be "But you say take them off those jobs to give a jab? | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff Your friend is already a qualified paramedic. That makes a difference. So suggesting taking them off the front line to administer the jab? Who does their job? " It does but he is not qualified to do injections just because he is a paramedic that wasn't the debate anyone could do this One example is a private dentist they are not fully qualified dentists but they still can do work on patients just like a fully qualified dentist that has had many years training | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff It’s not about doing the injection. We have loads of staff that can give an injection (including HCA’s , dentists and paramedics) They have to be qualified to draw the vaccine. Anybody could do that but no one knows how much vaccine their is to go around the whole of the uk that will take a long time before everyone has the vaccine it's just a waiting game I find it really disrespectful to just be like “anyone could do that” when in reality, not “anyone” could be a fully qualified nurse
If anyone could do it surely the NHS staffing crisis wouldn’t be a crisis
You don't have to be a qualified nurse or doctor to do an injection just 2 hrs training I work for nhs and have no training but I could do a 2 hr course and be qualified to give vaccine injection it's not rocket science
Your not reading what I said.
It’s 2 hours training to do an injection.
It’s the drawing up training that is the issue.
The covid vaccine needs drawing up- people that deliver injections cannot automatically do this.
hes only reading the posts that suit his opinion by the look of it
i also suspect injection training is 2 hours on top of someones basic medical training they already have ... highly doubt a random off the street can take the same 2 hour course and be qualified , even beauty therapists just giving you a wax do module after module of biology anatomy and physiology before they are let loose on other types of training "Well said | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff Your friend is already a qualified paramedic. That makes a difference. So suggesting taking them off the front line to administer the jab? Who does their job? It does but he is not qualified to do injections just because he is a paramedic that wasn't the debate anyone could do this One example is a private dentist they are not fully qualified dentists but they still can do work on patients just like a fully qualified dentist that has had many years training " How can a private dentist not be fully qualified? Certainly my private dentist is. | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? It doesn’t matter if it’s UK or any country, nobody should die after receiving a ‘safe’ vaccine surely? Who has died? Who has died after receiving the vaccine? Which country? How many people have died? Do you really think I need to respond from you? The answer is no, so stop with the question firing
So you lied.
No.
Maybe not, but your conjecture is ridiculous and dangerous.
The information is out there, is not for me to post links or do peoples research for them
I hope the jab is safe for majority of people and I hope it helps to stop the spread, it should, however, be safe for all "Yet you think it's ok to make dangerous statements about people dying, without any evidence or information. Nice. | |||
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"it gets nasty because a majority of the the people who post things (ie let's vaccinate 24/7, have absolutely no idea how much manpower etc that would take) are fuckwits" They also have absolutely no idea how big one million people is. It's massive | |||
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" One example is a private dentist they are not fully qualified dentists but they still can do work on patients just like a fully qualified dentist that has had many years training " Of course private dentists have to be fully qualified. Do you think you could set up tomorrow and practise as a private dentist ? Do you think surgeons and consultants who work in private hospitals aren't qualified either ? | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? ...we think you are making this up
Me? So what. Couldn’t give a monkeys what you think "Fine by us. It would be helpful if you used facts rather than make things up | |||
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"It's not as much to do with training people as it is efficacy to the risk of clinical self-care afterwards. If people self-administer the are outside of clinical oversight. Why do they need such self care afterwards if the vaccines are safe? Can you tell me please as you seem to know so much how do you treat a person who has a anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine?. That’s my point exactly. The vaccine shouldn’t be sold as safe to people when we actually don’t know, and people are dying after having it. Figures how many people in the uk have died following vaccination? It doesn’t matter if it’s UK or any country, nobody should die after receiving a ‘safe’ vaccine surely? Who has died? Who has died after receiving the vaccine? Which country? How many people have died? Do you really think I need to respond from you? The answer is no, so stop with the question firing
So you lied.
No.
Maybe not, but your conjecture is ridiculous and dangerous.
The information is out there, is not for me to post links or do peoples research for them
I hope the jab is safe for majority of people and I hope it helps to stop the spread, it should, however, be safe for all "No, the information isn't out there and to suggest it is and people are being mislead and misinformed is dangerous. | |||
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"Here is a slightly different thought process, why don't they train the people doing the tests to administer the vaccine? If you go for a test, and fit the criteria of the at risk groups you can be vaccinated on the spot regardless of the test result? " the test centre i went to they just handed you a test kit you swabbed yourself and it was just a few folk walking about to answer questions rather than actual clinically trained staff | |||
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"Here is a slightly different thought process, why don't they train the people doing the tests to administer the vaccine? If you go for a test, and fit the criteria of the at risk groups you can be vaccinated on the spot regardless of the test result? the test centre i went to they just handed you a test kit you swabbed yourself and it was just a few folk walking about to answer questions rather than actual clinically trained staff " Doesn't really matter the training on offer to non health care workers within Healthcare equates to around 2 days effort to administer the jab | |||
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"Here is a slightly different thought process, why don't they train the people doing the tests to administer the vaccine? If you go for a test, and fit the criteria of the at risk groups you can be vaccinated on the spot regardless of the test result? the test centre i went to they just handed you a test kit you swabbed yourself and it was just a few folk walking about to answer questions rather than actual clinically trained staff Doesn't really matter the training on offer to non health care workers within Healthcare equates to around 2 days effort to administer the jab" well partly i was meaning there wasn’t anywhere enough people even on site to repurpose them to do both (it was maybe one person wandering up and down to answer questions for about each 10 test booths) but to be honest they also mostly looked like students looking for an extra bit of cash , so i don’t think they are “within healthcare” this was a walk in centre... the drive ins might have been a different situation | |||
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"just thinking see on these threads about vaccines and testing and manning the nightingale hospitals etc ... despite probably none of us having a perfect solution even with a snag further down the line people have had loads of good suggestions its like when you do a white board session at work and 90% of what goes on the whiteboard gets discarded as oversimplistic solution once you get into the detail but at least it got you thinking outside the box and usually eventually a combination of peoples thoughts results in something brilliant ... wonder if the govt / nhs management have even completed a similar exercise or just stayed exactly in the box of this is how its always done so we repeat " In fairness we probably do a better job on here than they do in Whitehall | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! I'm guessing it's more to do with,if something goes wrong My friend is a paramedic and 2 hrs training and that's it to be able to do and injection it's a very simple procedure but lack of staff You only have to look at nightingale hospital it's empty due to lack of staff which Seams very strange to have a massive hospital empty with no patients or staff Your friend is already a qualified paramedic. That makes a difference. So suggesting taking them off the front line to administer the jab? Who does their job? It does but he is not qualified to do injections just because he is a paramedic that wasn't the debate anyone could do this One example is a private dentist they are not fully qualified dentists but they still can do work on patients just like a fully qualified dentist that has had many years training " Well. Matt, you've totally destroyed your credibility with that rash statement. I think your best recourse is to gently apologise for misleading readers about the dentist. I've just spoken to my private dentist, who is a professor and she said, total rubbish. Lots of private dentists have worked and still do NHS work. If anything, they're more qualified than NHS dentists. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? how much training does someone need to inject this Vaccine? Not alot i wiuld of thought!!! Why are these people who have, volunteered to be vaccinaters(and some of these are ex NHS workers) being asked to sit through 18+online courses. Too much red tape in this country. " I’m a ex nhs worker who has applied via nhs professionals and as yet haven’t had a response to my application. I told them I would be more than happy to work on my days and off from my current job. | |||
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"What happened too all those thousands of retired medical professionals who were going to come out of retirement to help with this pandemic? Serious question? I remember reading about it all but don’t think it came off? " Some came back where I work but they're working in the hospital, not the testing or vaccination centres. | |||
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"So there maybe a simple answer to this but in this Pandemic with most peoples jobs at risk mental health issues people dying etc why are we not implementing: 24 hours 7 days a week testing 24 hour 7 days a week vaccinating Anyone help me with this? Where are the trained people who can do this going to come from? I have seen a video of a Gloucester Hospital that looked like a ghost town, A&E departments are quiet, routine operations all cancelled, surely these Drs and Nurses could be quickly trained to administer a jab!!" The hospital my mum works at, the day surgery staff have gone to work in the additional ITU they've created in the department I used to work in. | |||
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"Apparently it’s not feasible due to not enough staff being able to implement on these timescales. I agree with you, it ought to be possible if this virus is as deadly as we are told!
I made this point in another thread. If the Government use the resources available to them it is more than feasible.
There are tens of thousands of military personnel who are competent to deliver this, plus retired medical professionals.
If there was an appetite to deliver this, it would be done..... I just can't work out why it hasn't been instigated already
Competent enough to administer an injection.. Nope
So are you suggesting there aren’t medically trained people out there who could administer a jab!! To me if your medically trained anyway it wouldn’t take long to train you up to give a jab! It’s about going the extra mile to give people back there lives and income, as there are many of us who can’t work and don’t get 80% of their wages
You are dead right! It just seems to be excuses after excuses now, it’s kinda embarrassing
They have to be competent. Not guys running around playing soldiers "I find that pretty insulting to the military to be honest. One of the top cardiologists in the uk is military I don’t see him running around with playing soldiers. The drs who work at DNRC dont run around playing soldiers either. You suggesting they are not competent is an insult to some very intelligent men and women who have no doubt achieved more in their lives than you or I. | |||
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"People could also self administer surely? That would speed things up? " Because of potential complications of it being administered incorrectly like SIRVA (shoulder injury related to vaccine administration). There's a reason you need to be trained. | |||
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