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"There’s a certain few profiles on the virus thread who religiously cling to the chance of death percentages. It’s a new year so I have a new statistics challenge for you: Our death toll in the past few days has neared 1,000... almost an exact mirror of the very worst days of the 1st wave. Your challenge is to apply the changes we have gone through since that date and try to paint the difference between those days of religious pan beating and clapping on a Thursday to today and then calculate the difference we have within hospitals up and down the country. I’ll give you a few pointers: Reporting has changed to within 28 days, if we go back to that first peak the reality is around 650 of those 1,000 daily deaths wouldn’t now be reported. Survival chances have increased from 3 in every 5 patients dying to just one. In short 3,000 deaths a day would account for 1,000 deaths a day now. There’s a stage before that though, with the introduction of various therapies we avoid much of the ventilation (which is the point where we lose patients), it used to be around 35% of admissions who ended up on ventilation, now with drugs, CPAP, blood therapy etc it’s more like 12%. So... how much worst or better off are we right now in terms of load on our countries critical care? " Data is all available on the government and NHS websites. Clearly shows ICU capacity is under no more strain then usual year. Also if you Google "NHS and other professional bodies’ response to the Sunday Times, 25 October 2020" You will find some interesting facts from the NHS themselves. I'd post links to all the stats and data but last time I posted a link to a .gov website showing our governments own data I got a forum ban. | |||
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"Why then has east Surrey been taking patients from the north Kent/ East London area for two weeks but today they are having to send patients to Portsmouth? That's not from any data that's a family member driving ambulances, a close friend who is in the A&E and another friend who is a critical care nurse.. The wife's friends and colleagues in the community are being sent back to the hospital in as the staffing is in a dire straight.. We lived in the area for 25 yrs, my ex colleagues are again being seconded back to the LAS to drive blue light due to the shortages and pressures you repeatedly claim don't exist.. " They definitely exsist for some hospitals. Its a terrible shame the NHS is so underfunded they can not cope in certain areas. Country wide the numbers tell a different story. | |||
"I think the next 2 weeks will be really more telling then now as I feel it will be closer to 1500 per day then "I agree | |||
"There’s a certain few profiles on the virus thread who religiously cling to the chance of death percentages. It’s a new year so I have a new statistics challenge for you: Our death toll in the past few days has neared 1,000... almost an exact mirror of the very worst days of the 1st wave. Your challenge is to apply the changes we have gone through since that date and try to paint the difference between those days of religious pan beating and clapping on a Thursday to today and then calculate the difference we have within hospitals up and down the country. I’ll give you a few pointers: Reporting has changed to within 28 days, if we go back to that first peak the reality is around 650 of those 1,000 daily deaths wouldn’t now be reported. Survival chances have increased from 3 in every 5 patients dying to just one. In short 3,000 deaths a day would account for 1,000 deaths a day now. There’s a stage before that though, with the introduction of various therapies we avoid much of the ventilation (which is the point where we lose patients), it used to be around 35% of admissions who ended up on ventilation, now with drugs, CPAP, blood therapy etc it’s more like 12%. So... how much worst or better off are we right now in terms of load on our countries critical care? Data is all available on the government and NHS websites. Clearly shows ICU capacity is under no more strain then usual year. Also if you Google "NHS and other professional bodies’ response to the Sunday Times, 25 October 2020" You will find some interesting facts from the NHS themselves. I'd post links to all the stats and data but last time I posted a link to a .gov website showing our governments own data I got a forum ban." October.. 
When London was tier two and before the new varient ran rife..
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"I just see a 1000 families a day being told a loved one had died......a day,let that sink in,anytime is bad but since Christmas eve and new years eve 6000 families are dealing with loss " We know of 2 families going through this right now.. absolutely devastating and only going to get worse.. | |||
"Why then has east Surrey been taking patients from the north Kent/ East London area for two weeks but today they are having to send patients to Portsmouth? That's not from any data that's a family member driving ambulances, a close friend who is in the A&E and another friend who is a critical care nurse.. The wife's friends and colleagues in the community are being sent back to the hospital in as the staffing is in a dire straight.. We lived in the area for 25 yrs, my ex colleagues are again being seconded back to the LAS to drive blue light due to the shortages and pressures you repeatedly claim don't exist.. They definitely exsist for some hospitals. Its a terrible shame the NHS is so underfunded they can not cope in certain areas. Country wide the numbers tell a different story." Is that the story where two weeks ago Lancaster hospital was diverting patients as it was full too? There are people on here who are like Charli front line as we speak and they are all saying the same yet you insist on portraying different. Why are NHS senior managers nationally saying the same as people on here that the situation is critical? Does the fact that the numbers are as high deaths wise as the peak in April yet we've gotten better as has been explained to you in keeping people alive not tell you there are massive pressures within the system? | |||
"I think the next 2 weeks will be really more telling then now as I feel it will be closer to 1500 per day then "We have worst case estimates around 2,800 a day if the tier 4 trusts reach a 1:3 care ratio | |||
"This doesn't even make any sense. If they've made the criteria for a death being recorded as a Covid death stricter so many of the deaths recorded in the first wave would now not be counted but we currently have a similar number of deaths per day than the first wave, surely no matter which way you look at it we are in a far worse position now. " Totally... this is the point, back then that 1,000 would now be counted around 650 deaths, they’d also have 1/3rd of the patients feeding that as our fatality rate was so high then. The point I illustrate is all these self appointed deaths v population stats addicts are utterly irresponsible retards... they present a tiny focus within a huge and alarming picture. I applaude your fabulous maths, I also doff my visor at the fact you did it without one single reference to a peer reviewed study. Mwah, love ya x | |||
"This doesn't even make any sense. If they've made the criteria for a death being recorded as a Covid death stricter so many of the deaths recorded in the first wave would now not be counted but we currently have a similar number of deaths per day than the first wave, surely no matter which way you look at it we are in a far worse position now. Totally... this is the point, back then that 1,000 would now be counted around 650 deaths, they’d also have 1/3rd of the patients feeding that as our fatality rate was so high then. The point I illustrate is all these self appointed deaths v population stats addicts are utterly irresponsible retards... they present a tiny focus within a huge and alarming picture. I applaude your fabulous maths, I also doff my visor at the fact you did it without one single reference to a peer reviewed study. Mwah, love ya x" Apologies, I misread your last paragraph as just "how much better off are we". That coupled with the listing of apparent positives such as the survival rate being higher and the treatment being better (for former likely due to the latter) led to my confusion but now I see what you were trying to do. Very good  . | |||
"This doesn't even make any sense. If they've made the criteria for a death being recorded as a Covid death stricter so many of the deaths recorded in the first wave would now not be counted but we currently have a similar number of deaths per day than the first wave, surely no matter which way you look at it we are in a far worse position now. Totally... this is the point, back then that 1,000 would now be counted around 650 deaths, they’d also have 1/3rd of the patients feeding that as our fatality rate was so high then. The point I illustrate is all these self appointed deaths v population stats addicts are utterly irresponsible retards... they present a tiny focus within a huge and alarming picture. I applaude your fabulous maths, I also doff my visor at the fact you did it without one single reference to a peer reviewed study. Mwah, love ya x Apologies, I misread your last paragraph as just "how much better off are we". That coupled with the listing of apparent positives such as the survival rate being higher and the treatment being better (for former likely due to the latter) led to my confusion but now I see what you were trying to do. Very good . "Top of my head, without bothering with paper or calculator, i think that Charli's figures show something like 12 times as many people presenting at hospital to give the same number of deaths. So good news about surviving. But does mean that it's 12 times as much load on hospitals to keep those people alive. Or conversely, if it wasn't for hospital staff performing absolute superheroically, with the current infection rate there would be over 10 thousand dying every day. PS. I'm quite open to admitting that i could easily have missed a factor of two somewhere in my mental arithmetic. So it might only be a factor of 5 or 6. But if there's anyone that wants to claim that the pandemic is going fine because it's only half as bad as i fear it might be - get in the sea and stay there. | |||
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"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement " Really where did you get that nugget from? | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from?" Google five year UK death registers all info is on there | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there " Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives" Very keen to know where you got these figures from. The ONS has only published data up to the week of 18th December. From the ONS: 1.Main points A reduced bulletin has been published for Week 51 (week ending 18 December 2020); bulletins for future weeks will be published as normal. The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 18 December 2020 (Week 51) was 13,011; this was 719 more deaths than in Week 50. In Week 51, the number of deaths registered was 12.7% above the five-year average (1,463 deaths higher). Of the deaths registered in Week 51, 2,986 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", accounting for 22.9% of all deaths in England and Wales; in Week 51 deaths involving COVID-19 increased compared with Week 50 (by 230 deaths), following decreases in Week 49 and Week 50. Of the 2,986 deaths involving COVID-19, 2,557 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (85.6%). Of the 2,760 deaths that involved Influenza and Pneumonia, 298 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (10.8%). The number of deaths in hospitals and private homes was above the five-year average in Week 51 (678 and 835 deaths higher respectively) but deaths in care homes and other places were below the five-year average (7 and 68 fewer deaths respectively). In England, the total number of deaths increased from 11,460 (Week 50) to 12,113 (Week 51); all English regions had a higher number of deaths than the five-year average for the sixth week in a row. In Week 51, the number of deaths involving COVID-19 in England increased from 2,530 deaths (Week 50) to 2,729; the number of deaths involving COVID-19 increased in all English regions except the North East, North West, and West Midlands. In Wales, the number of deaths involving COVID-19 increased from 223 deaths (Week 50) to 256 deaths (Week 51), while the total number of deaths in Week 51 was 164 deaths higher than the five-year average. Based on a statistical model that allows for the time taken for deaths to be registered, we estimate that the number of deaths actually occurring (rather than registered) in Week 51 in England and Wales was between 11,770 and 14,710. The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 18 December 2020 was 14,627, which was 1,489 deaths higher than the five-year average; of the deaths registered in the UK in Week 51, 3,270 deaths involved COVID-19, 204 deaths higher than in Week 50 | |||
"I just see a 1000 families a day being told a loved one had died......a day,let that sink in,anytime is bad but since Christmas eve and new years eve 6000 families are dealing with loss " My 2 granddaughters lost their other nan on boxing day and grandad on tuesday 2 days apart both covid x | |||
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"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives" I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ..." Just because you don’t see them, it doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? " The full year won’t be known for some time. | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. " Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd. | |||
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"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ..." really ?  | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ..." If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Sorry wasn't meant to mislead figures I got was upto week 46 so 6 wks need to be added plus my figures didn't include ireland Just thought even with such a high number of deaths this year from covid alone they would be much higher Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd." | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ..." Perhaps 80000+ people are just playing hide and seek?  | |||
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"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd."Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last  | |||
"Data is all available on the government and NHS websites. Clearly shows ICU capacity is under no more strain then usual year." Ah, the data based on the number of ventilated beds we could theoretically create... Brilliant, it’s like saying we have 20,000 rifles!!!! And 10,000 soldiers to use them. | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ..." I've not "seen" a single funeral for ages, possibly since the last one I attended and that's going on for 2yrs ago. We must have a jolly low mortality rate in this little village/town of 24,000 souls. There's tons of obituaries in the local paper and an old chap was found dead by Mountain Rescue yesterday after he went wandering in the snow, but that's probably all just lies, no? | |||
"Data is all available on the government and NHS websites. Clearly shows ICU capacity is under no more strain then usual year. Ah, the data based on the number of ventilated beds we could theoretically create... Brilliant, it’s like saying we have 20,000 rifles!!!! And 10,000 soldiers to use them. " No it's not at all. The Data is based on real beds and also shows ICU capacity and beds used going back many years. Yes some hospitals are overwhelmed and need more support but country wide ICU capacity and use is no different from any other year. In fact its better than some past years | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last "OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work | |||
"Data is all available on the government and NHS websites. Clearly shows ICU capacity is under no more strain then usual year. Ah, the data based on the number of ventilated beds we could theoretically create... Brilliant, it’s like saying we have 20,000 rifles!!!! And 10,000 soldiers to use them. " Oh is this like qhen Boris said he had increased the number of nurses but included the numbers of those they "prevented from leaving"  | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work"I work in a hospital. I've been doing rediculous amounts of overtime if you want to call that "hiding". Personally I encourage anyone who can stay at home to do so. It isn't hiding, it's protecting the vulnerable. | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ..." So funerals happen 'only' when you are out for exercise, right? | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
I work in a hospital. I've been doing rediculous amounts of overtime if you want to call that "hiding". Personally I encourage anyone who can stay at home to do so. It isn't hiding, it's protecting the vulnerable. "Then I applaude the job you have done I misread the date of the figures and just seen a glimmer of hope to all this Regardless of the figures the NHS has done amazingly keeping the deaths to what they are As for staying at home sadly my job doesn't allow this so like you I've worked all through and had to do the overtime too even though to me my jobs not as important as urs | |||
"Data is all available on the government and NHS websites. Clearly shows ICU capacity is under no more strain then usual year. Ah, the data based on the number of ventilated beds we could theoretically create... Brilliant, it’s like saying we have 20,000 rifles!!!! And 10,000 soldiers to use them. Oh is this like qhen Boris said he had increased the number of nurses but included the numbers of those they "prevented from leaving" "Exactly that same thing... you know, 2,500 CPAP/ventilated beds in the Excel, another 2,000 in the NEC etc... plenty of really useful headline statements. | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
I work in a hospital. I've been doing rediculous amounts of overtime if you want to call that "hiding". Personally I encourage anyone who can stay at home to do so. It isn't hiding, it's protecting the vulnerable.
Then I applaude the job you have done
I misread the date of the figures and just seen a glimmer of hope to all this
Regardless of the figures the NHS has done amazingly keeping the deaths to what they are
As for staying at home sadly my job doesn't allow this so like you I've worked all through and had to do the overtime too even though to me my jobs not as important as urs"Everyone makes mistakes and you can't be blamed for wanting to find things that give you hope. I'm constantly looking for hope as I'm so damn tired. What I will criticise though is using working during this as something to attack other people with for doing what they've been advised to do and what is the right thing to do. Staying home isn't necessarily the easy option. There's a lot of very isolated and struggling people out there. At times I've been grateful to be working for the social contact so many are missing. The support from my colleagues has been invaluable. Though I'm currently one of the very few from my department not at home following an outbreak. | |||
"I think the next 2 weeks will be really more telling then now as I feel it will be closer to 1500 per day then
We have worst case estimates around 2,800 a day if the tier 4 trusts reach a 1:3 care ratio"Yep, 3000 a day by Feb possible | |||
"Data is all available on the government and NHS websites. Clearly shows ICU capacity is under no more strain then usual year. Ah, the data based on the number of ventilated beds we could theoretically create... Brilliant, it’s like saying we have 20,000 rifles!!!! And 10,000 soldiers to use them. Oh is this like qhen Boris said he had increased the number of nurses but included the numbers of those they "prevented from leaving"
Exactly that same thing... you know, 2,500 CPAP/ventilated beds in the Excel, another 2,000 in the NEC etc... plenty of really useful headline statements."Again wrong. If you look at the data being put out it only includes the active beds currently in hospitals. There is no sudden jump in numbers when the nightingale were opened. These beds were not included in the stats | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ..." Seen a lot of idiocy on here over the years but I think that comment is beyond the realms ! Maybe you should tell that to the thousand bereaved families a day losing loved ones - I'm sure they will be very reassured! | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... Just because you don’t see them, it doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. " Only 6 people can attend , or could back in may when i lost people. Smalller and harder to notice. | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
I work in a hospital. I've been doing rediculous amounts of overtime if you want to call that "hiding". Personally I encourage anyone who can stay at home to do so. It isn't hiding, it's protecting the vulnerable.
Then I applaude the job you have done
I misread the date of the figures and just seen a glimmer of hope to all this
Regardless of the figures the NHS has done amazingly keeping the deaths to what they are
As for staying at home sadly my job doesn't allow this so like you I've worked all through and had to do the overtime too even though to me my jobs not as important as urs
Everyone makes mistakes and you can't be blamed for wanting to find things that give you hope. I'm constantly looking for hope as I'm so damn tired. What I will criticise though is using working during this as something to attack other people with for doing what they've been advised to do and what is the right thing to do. Staying home isn't necessarily the easy option. There's a lot of very isolated and struggling people out there. At times I've been grateful to be working for the social contact so many are missing. The support from my colleagues has been invaluable. Though I'm currently one of the very few from my department not at home following an outbreak. "If you had read some of the other virus posts you may see things differently Apparently it's OK for NHS staff to risk there lives saving others same goes for military or police because you know the risks you have signed upto personally we don't agree with this many of the said above have families that need them and no one signs upto a job thinking they may die But that's how some see things in the current situation but without the people continuing to work not only would the NHS fail so would the whole of the UK | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work"So because your claim is shown to be false it's get all nasty and wrongly assume others are 'hiding'.. What a crock of sheer ignorance.. | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
I work in a hospital. I've been doing rediculous amounts of overtime if you want to call that "hiding". Personally I encourage anyone who can stay at home to do so. It isn't hiding, it's protecting the vulnerable.
Then I applaude the job you have done
I misread the date of the figures and just seen a glimmer of hope to all this
Regardless of the figures the NHS has done amazingly keeping the deaths to what they are
As for staying at home sadly my job doesn't allow this so like you I've worked all through and had to do the overtime too even though to me my jobs not as important as urs
Everyone makes mistakes and you can't be blamed for wanting to find things that give you hope. I'm constantly looking for hope as I'm so damn tired. What I will criticise though is using working during this as something to attack other people with for doing what they've been advised to do and what is the right thing to do. Staying home isn't necessarily the easy option. There's a lot of very isolated and struggling people out there. At times I've been grateful to be working for the social contact so many are missing. The support from my colleagues has been invaluable. Though I'm currently one of the very few from my department not at home following an outbreak.
If you had read some of the other virus posts you may see things differently
Apparently it's OK for NHS staff to risk there lives saving others same goes for military or police because you know the risks you have signed upto personally we don't agree with this many of the said above have families that need them and no one signs upto a job thinking they may die
But that's how some see things in the current situation but without the people continuing to work not only would the NHS fail so would the whole of the UK "She is right though I am a key work who has worked throughout since lockdown and finally got some time off due to our first child been born. The point she is making is just because your, mine or whoevers job has led to you working through the pandemic it isn't a reason to hate on the people whose jobs have been futloughed forcing them to stay at home. By the time I got some time off for panternity I really needed it but I am so glad to be returning to work on Monday. I would have cracked up if I had been furloughed since March! Those people had no choice in the hand they have been dealt. I get you may be sick of been at risk each day, over worked, tired etc but your attacking a group who are only doing what they have a, been forced to do and b, need to do to help reduce the infection rates. KJ | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work"Do you realise many thousands of people have worked all the way through too, just from home. Because they were mandated to do so? I would have much preferred going into my regular workplace every day, but instead I've worked from home since March. I've had so little time off that I've had to carry over 17 days annual leave (most of which I'll still lose, as I won't have time to take the extra). I started a period of leave on 21st Dec, but actually ended up working on the mornings of both 21st and 22nd Dec. That's one full day that's gone from my leave but where I actually worked. Staying at home wherever possible is exactly what the Government asked people to do and many people have worked their arses off from their living rooms, spare rooms etc. It's certainly not a choice I'd make for FT working, if I had the option to choose. | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
I work in a hospital. I've been doing rediculous amounts of overtime if you want to call that "hiding". Personally I encourage anyone who can stay at home to do so. It isn't hiding, it's protecting the vulnerable.
Then I applaude the job you have done
I misread the date of the figures and just seen a glimmer of hope to all this
Regardless of the figures the NHS has done amazingly keeping the deaths to what they are
As for staying at home sadly my job doesn't allow this so like you I've worked all through and had to do the overtime too even though to me my jobs not as important as urs
Everyone makes mistakes and you can't be blamed for wanting to find things that give you hope. I'm constantly looking for hope as I'm so damn tired. What I will criticise though is using working during this as something to attack other people with for doing what they've been advised to do and what is the right thing to do. Staying home isn't necessarily the easy option. There's a lot of very isolated and struggling people out there. At times I've been grateful to be working for the social contact so many are missing. The support from my colleagues has been invaluable. Though I'm currently one of the very few from my department not at home following an outbreak.
If you had read some of the other virus posts you may see things differently
Apparently it's OK for NHS staff to risk there lives saving others same goes for military or police because you know the risks you have signed upto personally we don't agree with this many of the said above have families that need them and no one signs upto a job thinking they may die
But that's how some see things in the current situation but without the people continuing to work not only would the NHS fail so would the whole of the UK "This is not my first rodeo  . If I let the views of unkind people online change my views I would be a very bitter person. In an ideal world we would all be able to stay at home but as you rightly say, it's not possible. However, attacking those who can and are doesn't change that. It just demeans the message that staying at home if you can is the right thing to do. | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
Do you realise many thousands of people have worked all the way through too, just from home. Because they were mandated to do so? I would have much preferred going into my regular workplace every day, but instead I've worked from home since March. I've had so little time off that I've had to carry over 17 days annual leave (most of which I'll still lose, as I won't have time to take the extra). I started a period of leave on 21st Dec, but actually ended up working on the mornings of both 21st and 22nd Dec. That's one full day that's gone from my leave but where I actually worked.
Staying at home wherever possible is exactly what the Government asked people to do and many people have worked their arses off from their living rooms, spare rooms etc.
It's certainly not a choice I'd make for FT working, if I had the option to choose."Absolutely agree. | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
So because your claim is shown to be false it's get all nasty and wrongly assume others are 'hiding'..
What a crock of sheer ignorance..
"My claim was not false I failed to read week 46 part was a simple error Like I said above read back to some of the other virus posts where people have said that ones still working through this are expected to accept the risks cause its what we signed up for so sorry if you take offence to the hiding part | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
So because your claim is shown to be false it's get all nasty and wrongly assume others are 'hiding'..
What a crock of sheer ignorance..
My claim was not false I failed to read week 46 part was a simple error
Like I said above read back to some of the other virus posts where people have said that ones still working through this are expected to accept the risks cause its what we signed up for so sorry if you take offence to the hiding part "The wife is semi retired NHS, I'm ex blue light we have brothers, sisters in law, nieces, nephews and one offspring all working in the NHS so that might explain my response.. Not particularly offended just frustrating to see the same whataboutery however it's worded that this virus is something not to be taken seriously.. | |||
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"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
So because your claim is shown to be false it's get all nasty and wrongly assume others are 'hiding'..
What a crock of sheer ignorance..
My claim was not false I failed to read week 46 part was a simple error
Like I said above read back to some of the other virus posts where people have said that ones still working through this are expected to accept the risks cause its what we signed up for so sorry if you take offence to the hiding part
The wife is semi retired NHS, I'm ex blue light we have brothers, sisters in law, nieces, nephews and one offspring all working in the NHS so that might explain my response..
Not particularly offended just frustrating to see the same whataboutery however it's worded that this virus is something not to be taken seriously.."I've taken the virus very serious I've worked as I'm expected to I've worn my face coverings kept space where possible cancelled our holidays So when I looked at the stats I simply saw lower than last year for me it was a glimmer of hope I mis read the wk 46 bit I'm not having a dig at anyone on furlough or those working from home I'm simply saying I'm sick of hearing that key workers are expected to risk themselves as that's what they signed up for and knew the risks This comes from many people who jumped on the first flights available or haven't stuck to any rules perhaps if they had the deaths would of been lower | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
So because your claim is shown to be false it's get all nasty and wrongly assume others are 'hiding'..
What a crock of sheer ignorance..
My claim was not false I failed to read week 46 part was a simple error
Like I said above read back to some of the other virus posts where people have said that ones still working through this are expected to accept the risks cause its what we signed up for so sorry if you take offence to the hiding part
The wife is semi retired NHS, I'm ex blue light we have brothers, sisters in law, nieces, nephews and one offspring all working in the NHS so that might explain my response..
Not particularly offended just frustrating to see the same whataboutery however it's worded that this virus is something not to be taken seriously.."388 deaths since Jan last year in under 60 population with no underlying symptoms... tell me what the plan should be.. maybe protect vulnerable and let everyone else get on with school, working etc... perhaps?? Lets not make it common sense ffs? | |||
"Are there swingers from the ONS who could explain the latest data ?" It's been posted above. The ONS hasn't finalised the 2020 data yet, but the data to the end of November shows more deaths by that point than the whole of 2019. Read further up on the thread or look on the ONS (we can't link because we get bans). | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
So because your claim is shown to be false it's get all nasty and wrongly assume others are 'hiding'..
What a crock of sheer ignorance..
My claim was not false I failed to read week 46 part was a simple error
Like I said above read back to some of the other virus posts where people have said that ones still working through this are expected to accept the risks cause its what we signed up for so sorry if you take offence to the hiding part
The wife is semi retired NHS, I'm ex blue light we have brothers, sisters in law, nieces, nephews and one offspring all working in the NHS so that might explain my response..
Not particularly offended just frustrating to see the same whataboutery however it's worded that this virus is something not to be taken seriously..
388 deaths since Jan last year in under 60 population with no underlying symptoms... tell me what the plan should be.. maybe protect vulnerable and let everyone else get on with school, working etc...
perhaps??
Lets not make it common sense ffs?"Yeah just forget about the over the hill buggers and let all the fit and healthy under 60s get on with life eh | |||
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"God help all you snowflakes should another world war ever begin... We will be f*********^" Nah, stick an RPG on my shoulder and I'll wheel into battle. I bet I could make some brilliant armour for my wheelchair and put tracks on and make it into a tank  | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
So because your claim is shown to be false it's get all nasty and wrongly assume others are 'hiding'..
What a crock of sheer ignorance..
My claim was not false I failed to read week 46 part was a simple error
Like I said above read back to some of the other virus posts where people have said that ones still working through this are expected to accept the risks cause its what we signed up for so sorry if you take offence to the hiding part
The wife is semi retired NHS, I'm ex blue light we have brothers, sisters in law, nieces, nephews and one offspring all working in the NHS so that might explain my response..
Not particularly offended just frustrating to see the same whataboutery however it's worded that this virus is something not to be taken seriously..
388 deaths since Jan last year in under 60 population with no underlying symptoms... tell me what the plan should be.. maybe protect vulnerable and let everyone else get on with school, working etc...
perhaps??
Lets not make it common sense ffs?
Yeah just forget about the over the hill buggers and let all the fit and healthy under 60s get on with life eh "Try reading my post and not commenting prematurely  | |||
"God help all you snowflakes should another world war ever begin... We will be f*********^ Nah, stick an RPG on my shoulder and I'll wheel into battle. I bet I could make some brilliant armour for my wheelchair and put tracks on and make it into a tank "Case closed | |||
"God help all you snowflakes should another world war ever begin... We will be f*********^ Nah, stick an RPG on my shoulder and I'll wheel into battle. I bet I could make some brilliant armour for my wheelchair and put tracks on and make it into a tank
Case closed "Trust me, the enemy wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of me  | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work"I’m not hiding but doing as I’m told. Personally I would love to be working outside rather than inside these four walls for the last 9 months. What any of that has to do with stating your figures quoted were incorrect I have no idea | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
So because your claim is shown to be false it's get all nasty and wrongly assume others are 'hiding'..
What a crock of sheer ignorance..
My claim was not false I failed to read week 46 part was a simple error
Like I said above read back to some of the other virus posts where people have said that ones still working through this are expected to accept the risks cause its what we signed up for so sorry if you take offence to the hiding part
The wife is semi retired NHS, I'm ex blue light we have brothers, sisters in law, nieces, nephews and one offspring all working in the NHS so that might explain my response..
Not particularly offended just frustrating to see the same whataboutery however it's worded that this virus is something not to be taken seriously..
388 deaths since Jan last year in under 60 population with no underlying symptoms... tell me what the plan should be.. maybe protect vulnerable and let everyone else get on with school, working etc...
perhaps??
Lets not make it common sense ffs?"It looks like your saying those other than that age Group and those without underlying health issues are somehow not to be considered ..? Please correct me if I've got that wrong.. | |||
"God help all you snowflakes should another world war ever begin... We will be f*********^" Hi Rambo.. 
Or is it Walt?
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"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
So because your claim is shown to be false it's get all nasty and wrongly assume others are 'hiding'..
What a crock of sheer ignorance..
My claim was not false I failed to read week 46 part was a simple error
Like I said above read back to some of the other virus posts where people have said that ones still working through this are expected to accept the risks cause its what we signed up for so sorry if you take offence to the hiding part
The wife is semi retired NHS, I'm ex blue light we have brothers, sisters in law, nieces, nephews and one offspring all working in the NHS so that might explain my response..
Not particularly offended just frustrating to see the same whataboutery however it's worded that this virus is something not to be taken seriously..
388 deaths since Jan last year in under 60 population with no underlying symptoms... tell me what the plan should be.. maybe protect vulnerable and let everyone else get on with school, working etc...
perhaps??
Lets not make it common sense ffs?
It looks like your saying those other than that age Group and those without underlying health issues are somehow not to be considered ..?
Please correct me if I've got that wrong.."What i said... the plan should be.. maybe protect vulnerable and let everyone else get on with school, working etc... perhaps? | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
I’m not hiding but doing as I’m told. Personally I would love to be working outside rather than inside these four walls for the last 9 months. What any of that has to do with stating your figures quoted were incorrect I have no idea "I already apologised for my mis reading I'm sorry if I was looking for a small ammount of hope Had comments from others on previous threads saying people working as normal through this knew the risks when we signed up for our jobs Didn't mean to offend anyone simply wanted to see some sort of hope to an end to all this Obviously I'll learn to keep my opinions to myself | |||
"More good news also is the total number of deaths registered in the UK is lower than last year and lower than the five year average which Considering we have had covid is a massive achievement Really where did you get that nugget from? Google five year UK death registers all info is on there Office of national statistics 2019 530,000 UK deaths recorded 2020 498,000 UK deaths recorded So even though times have been terrible with covid stats are better so it's good news either way Can't see why anyone would want to criticise good news or do we all have to be doom and gloom for the rest of our lives I did and it said 529,928 for 2020 up until the 13th of November so missing about the last 6 weeks worth? The full year won’t be known for some time. Yep but still more than 498,000 even without including the last 6 weeks and definitely higher than last year if we're currently at 1000 covid deaths a day . Why would you direct people to a source that completely contradicts what you're saying? Very odd.
Oh definitely more than the 498,000 quoted. Why people direct to old information only they know or it suits their argument that this year isn’t as bad as the last
OK if you want to be pesamistic look up 2018 that's way higher
Too many people want to hide indoors whilst others have had to work through this
Wasn't trying to be misleading I simply misread the date
Just thought it offered a little light to this shit storm
But carry on hiding while the rest of us risk ourselves being at work
So because your claim is shown to be false it's get all nasty and wrongly assume others are 'hiding'..
What a crock of sheer ignorance..
My claim was not false I failed to read week 46 part was a simple error
Like I said above read back to some of the other virus posts where people have said that ones still working through this are expected to accept the risks cause its what we signed up for so sorry if you take offence to the hiding part
The wife is semi retired NHS, I'm ex blue light we have brothers, sisters in law, nieces, nephews and one offspring all working in the NHS so that might explain my response..
Not particularly offended just frustrating to see the same whataboutery however it's worded that this virus is something not to be taken seriously..
388 deaths since Jan last year in under 60 population with no underlying symptoms... tell me what the plan should be.. maybe protect vulnerable and let everyone else get on with school, working etc...
perhaps??
Lets not make it common sense ffs?
It looks like your saying those other than that age Group and those without underlying health issues are somehow not to be considered ..?
Please correct me if I've got that wrong..
What i said...
the plan should be.. maybe protect vulnerable and let everyone else get on with school, working etc...
perhaps?"Tbh it's an idea and it was said plenty of times in March and April but the numbers of people who work who have underlying health issues would be an issue and there are others that were said at the time by those with more knowledge of this.. Then there's the moral issues of locking up a large number possibly up to twenty million and the support required.. | |||
"What i said... the plan should be.. maybe protect vulnerable and let everyone else get on with school, working etc... perhaps?" Erm... that’s 20% of the population Karl, think on that. 1 in 5 people has a underlying condition. On your other point... what fkn use is a 53 year old dude who can’t follow simple instructions in a world war? Last time I checked Captain Mannering wasn’t the cornerstone of national military prowess. | |||
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"I just see a 1000 families a day being told a loved one had died......a day,let that sink in,anytime is bad but since Christmas eve and new years eve 6000 families are dealing with loss My 2 granddaughters lost their other nan on boxing day and grandad on tuesday 2 days apart both covid x"Heart breaking. I lost a cousin and his wife in the first wave. Both early 60's with no underlying health issues. She was on a ventilator for 6 weeks before it finaly took her. | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ..." You made me laugh that is a good point some of my friends parents died it was heart attack but they put it down to covid it Seams to be every single death is put down to covid and no one will know how many real deaths from the virus and we will never know the truth about all this The news is manipulating and always has been | |||
"What i said... the plan should be.. maybe protect vulnerable and let everyone else get on with school, working etc... perhaps? Erm... that’s 20% of the population Karl, think on that. 1 in 5 people has a underlying condition. On your other point... what fkn use is a 53 year old dude who can’t follow simple instructions in a world war? Last time I checked Captain Mannering wasn’t the cornerstone of national military prowess." Plus even though its mostly the vulnerable who die, just because you survive it doesn't mean you get off lightly. I as a healthy 21 year old developed pneumonia from a viral infection and it caused permanent damage to my heart and I had post viral fatigue for 2 years after. People are having similar effects after Covid. I've seen it in young people with my own eyes. I've seen a healthy 15 year old totally floored by it for months and then end up with shingles because his immune system was so worn down. | |||
"There’s a certain few profiles on the virus thread who religiously cling to the chance of death percentages. It’s a new year so I have a new statistics challenge for you: Our death toll in the past few days has neared 1,000... almost an exact mirror of the very worst days of the 1st wave. Your challenge is to apply the changes we have gone through since that date and try to paint the difference between those days of religious pan beating and clapping on a Thursday to today and then calculate the difference we have within hospitals up and down the country. I’ll give you a few pointers: Reporting has changed to within 28 days, if we go back to that first peak the reality is around 650 of those 1,000 daily deaths wouldn’t now be reported. Survival chances have increased from 3 in every 5 patients dying to just one. In short 3,000 deaths a day would account for 1,000 deaths a day now. There’s a stage before that though, with the introduction of various therapies we avoid much of the ventilation (which is the point where we lose patients), it used to be around 35% of admissions who ended up on ventilation, now with drugs, CPAP, blood therapy etc it’s more like 12%. So... how much worst or better off are we right now in terms of load on our countries critical care? " so did we win?? | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept" Your porters ? What is your role | |||
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"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role" Charli works within ICU at the main hospital in Manchester. Porters are employed to move people and things around, including dead bodies to the morgue. | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... You made me laugh that is a good point some of my friends parents died it was heart attack but they put it down to covid it Seams to be every single death is put down to covid and no one will know how many real deaths from the virus and we will never know the truth about all this The news is manipulating and always has been " You'll be aware Covid causes cardiovascular problems and so a heart attack can result from Covid infection? | |||
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"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role" I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? | |||
"You're of course correct. The NHS's own figures reveal that the percentage of critical care beds in use as of Dec 2020 is LOWER than Dec 2019 and Dec 2018. Let's not forget too, that the CDC also state that total deaths have not increased. It's as if COVID has magically cured Flu and Pneumonia cases. Thid is the same CDC by the way that concede COVID is less dangerous than the flu. " You see yet again someone with an ounce of information drawing up a ridiculous conclusion... % of critical care beds... ok, since 2019 how many new ventilators etc have we bought, how many ‘new’ beds now exist in the nightingales or converted wards? 80% of 10 isn’t comparable to 80% of 100 is it? Look at the hard figures, patients in care, how many beds are manned... The important stat is care ratio... 2019 and before is a solid 1-1 care for critically ill patients, most of the country is now operating at 1-3. | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? " There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. " There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! | |||
"You're of course correct. The NHS's own figures reveal that the percentage of critical care beds in use as of Dec 2020 is LOWER than Dec 2019 and Dec 2018. Let's not forget too, that the CDC also state that total deaths have not increased. It's as if COVID has magically cured Flu and Pneumonia cases. Thid is the same CDC by the way that concede COVID is less dangerous than the flu. You see yet again someone with an ounce of information drawing up a ridiculous conclusion... % of critical care beds... ok, since 2019 how many new ventilators etc have we bought, how many ‘new’ beds now exist in the nightingales or converted wards? 80% of 10 isn’t comparable to 80% of 100 is it? Look at the hard figures, patients in care, how many beds are manned... The important stat is care ratio... 2019 and before is a solid 1-1 care for critically ill patients, most of the country is now operating at 1-3. " Nope, you're wrong. Here are the exact figures from the NHS: Dec 2018: 3695 total critical care beds 82% being used Dec 2019: 3651 total critical care beds 83% being used Dec 2020: 4441 total critical care beds 74% being used. | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?!" Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. | |||
"You're of course correct. The NHS's own figures reveal that the percentage of critical care beds in use as of Dec 2020 is LOWER than Dec 2019 and Dec 2018. Let's not forget too, that the CDC also state that total deaths have not increased. It's as if COVID has magically cured Flu and Pneumonia cases. Thid is the same CDC by the way that concede COVID is less dangerous than the flu. You see yet again someone with an ounce of information drawing up a ridiculous conclusion... % of critical care beds... ok, since 2019 how many new ventilators etc have we bought, how many ‘new’ beds now exist in the nightingales or converted wards? 80% of 10 isn’t comparable to 80% of 100 is it? Look at the hard figures, patients in care, how many beds are manned... The important stat is care ratio... 2019 and before is a solid 1-1 care for critically ill patients, most of the country is now operating at 1-3. Nope, you're wrong. Here are the exact figures from the NHS: Dec 2018: 3695 total critical care beds 82% being used Dec 2019: 3651 total critical care beds 83% being used Dec 2020: 4441 total critical care beds 74% being used. "And why did the number of critical care beds suddenly jump in 2020 and how do you think they're being staffed? Clue: they're not in the normal ICU wards and not being staffed at the normal ratio of staff to patients. | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. " The Office for National Statistics. The exact figures were posted either further up this thread or on another one, but as you know, links to websites aren't permitted here (a link to gov.uk led me to a 4 day hiatus). | |||
"You're of course correct. The NHS's own figures reveal that the percentage of critical care beds in use as of Dec 2020 is LOWER than Dec 2019 and Dec 2018. Let's not forget too, that the CDC also state that total deaths have not increased. It's as if COVID has magically cured Flu and Pneumonia cases. Thid is the same CDC by the way that concede COVID is less dangerous than the flu. You see yet again someone with an ounce of information drawing up a ridiculous conclusion... % of critical care beds... ok, since 2019 how many new ventilators etc have we bought, how many ‘new’ beds now exist in the nightingales or converted wards? 80% of 10 isn’t comparable to 80% of 100 is it? Look at the hard figures, patients in care, how many beds are manned... The important stat is care ratio... 2019 and before is a solid 1-1 care for critically ill patients, most of the country is now operating at 1-3. Nope, you're wrong. Here are the exact figures from the NHS: Dec 2018: 3695 total critical care beds 82% being used Dec 2019: 3651 total critical care beds 83% being used Dec 2020: 4441 total critical care beds 74% being used. "You can link to the NHS | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. The Office for National Statistics. The exact figures were posted either further up this thread or on another one, but as you know, links to websites aren't permitted here (a link to gov.uk led me to a 4 day hiatus)." It doesn't, the link posted wasn't for a Gov link and the ban for a link is 24 hours A Gov link is allowed on the forum | |||
"You're of course correct. The NHS's own figures reveal that the percentage of critical care beds in use as of Dec 2020 is LOWER than Dec 2019 and Dec 2018. Let's not forget too, that the CDC also state that total deaths have not increased. It's as if COVID has magically cured Flu and Pneumonia cases. Thid is the same CDC by the way that concede COVID is less dangerous than the flu. You see yet again someone with an ounce of information drawing up a ridiculous conclusion... % of critical care beds... ok, since 2019 how many new ventilators etc have we bought, how many ‘new’ beds now exist in the nightingales or converted wards? 80% of 10 isn’t comparable to 80% of 100 is it? Look at the hard figures, patients in care, how many beds are manned... The important stat is care ratio... 2019 and before is a solid 1-1 care for critically ill patients, most of the country is now operating at 1-3. Nope, you're wrong. Here are the exact figures from the NHS: Dec 2018: 3695 total critical care beds 82% being used Dec 2019: 3651 total critical care beds 83% being used Dec 2020: 4441 total critical care beds 74% being used.
And why did the number of critical care beds suddenly jump in 2020 and how do you think they're being staffed?
Clue: they're not in the normal ICU wards and not being staffed at the normal ratio of staff to patients."Look at the numbers, if the extra beds there are 10% less being used, so the number being used is... approx the same as in past years haha. Maths not your strong suit eh Toots? | |||
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"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. The Office for National Statistics. The exact figures were posted either further up this thread or on another one, but as you know, links to websites aren't permitted here (a link to gov.uk led me to a 4 day hiatus). It doesn't, the link posted wasn't for a Gov link and the ban for a link is 24 hours A Gov link is allowed on the forum" The link I posted was to gov.uk with a bunch of extra text after it (which is obviously required to link to a specific page). That was the only one I'd posted prior to the ban. | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. The Office for National Statistics. The exact figures were posted either further up this thread or on another one, but as you know, links to websites aren't permitted here (a link to gov.uk led me to a 4 day hiatus). It doesn't, the link posted wasn't for a Gov link and the ban for a link is 24 hours A Gov link is allowed on the forum The link I posted was to gov.uk with a bunch of extra text after it (which is obviously required to link to a specific page). That was the only one I'd posted prior to the ban. " It wasn't. If it was a Gov link you would not have had a 24 hour ban Back to the OP | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. The Office for National Statistics. The exact figures were posted either further up this thread or on another one, but as you know, links to websites aren't permitted here (a link to gov.uk led me to a 4 day hiatus). It doesn't, the link posted wasn't for a Gov link and the ban for a link is 24 hours A Gov link is allowed on the forum The link I posted was to gov.uk with a bunch of extra text after it (which is obviously required to link to a specific page). That was the only one I'd posted prior to the ban. It wasn't. If it was a Gov link you would not have had a 24 hour ban Back to the OP" I asked for the specific reason for it and received no reply. I've been replying to the thread. | |||
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"You're of course correct. The NHS's own figures reveal that the percentage of critical care beds in use as of Dec 2020 is LOWER than Dec 2019 and Dec 2018. Let's not forget too, that the CDC also state that total deaths have not increased. It's as if COVID has magically cured Flu and Pneumonia cases. Thid is the same CDC by the way that concede COVID is less dangerous than the flu. You see yet again someone with an ounce of information drawing up a ridiculous conclusion... % of critical care beds... ok, since 2019 how many new ventilators etc have we bought, how many ‘new’ beds now exist in the nightingales or converted wards? 80% of 10 isn’t comparable to 80% of 100 is it? Look at the hard figures, patients in care, how many beds are manned... The important stat is care ratio... 2019 and before is a solid 1-1 care for critically ill patients, most of the country is now operating at 1-3. Nope, you're wrong. Here are the exact figures from the NHS: Dec 2018: 3695 total critical care beds 82% being used Dec 2019: 3651 total critical care beds 83% being used Dec 2020: 4441 total critical care beds 74% being used.
And why did the number of critical care beds suddenly jump in 2020 and how do you think they're being staffed?
Clue: they're not in the normal ICU wards and not being staffed at the normal ratio of staff to patients.
Look at the numbers, if the extra beds there are 10% less being used, so the number being used is... approx the same as in past years haha.
Maths not your strong suit eh Toots?
"Healthcare obviously isn’t yours hunni x If you are so eager to be an expert on the subject, look into what quantifies critical care, look at staff needs for someone on oxygen and a drip compared to someone being fully ventilated. If you want to see the terrifying stats look at the numbers on ventilation over the two years, look at those relying on CPAP. Work out the numbers who need to cater for them. You will quickly discover we are at a point where we are choosing who we can ventilate based on survival chances, we are doing that as we don’t have capacity. So, what’s your background, what is your actual insight or are you just declaring yourself an expert on critical care management because you used goggle? | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. " The weekly deaths figures released by the ONS are now complete up until the 18 December and stand at 592K for the year. The figures for the past 6 weeks have been around 12/13K per week so the final figure is going to be over 600K. As someone posted above, the total for 2019 was 530K, so the figures for 2020 will surpass 2019 by some 70K! | |||
"The weekly deaths figures released by the ONS are now complete up until the 18 December and stand at 592K for the year. The figures for the past 6 weeks have been around 12/13K per week so the final figure is going to be over 600K. As someone posted above, the total for 2019 was 530K, so the figures for 2020 will surpass 2019 by some 70K! " Exactly | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. The weekly deaths figures released by the ONS are now complete up until the 18 December and stand at 592K for the year. The figures for the past 6 weeks have been around 12/13K per week so the final figure is going to be over 600K. As someone posted above, the total for 2019 was 530K, so the figures for 2020 will surpass 2019 by some 70K! " Broadly similar figures to 2018 then ? | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. The weekly deaths figures released by the ONS are now complete up until the 18 December and stand at 592K for the year. The figures for the past 6 weeks have been around 12/13K per week so the final figure is going to be over 600K. As someone posted above, the total for 2019 was 530K, so the figures for 2020 will surpass 2019 by some 70K! Broadly similar figures to 2018 then ? " 2018 was 542K, so higher than 2019 but still way lower than 2020 by some 60/70 K | |||
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"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? " I qualified as a nurse in London, going on to work in tropical disease medicine. I've worked all over the developing world as a nurse. I'm a nurse practitioner. So no, not a light jogger or funeral observer, though I have nursed alot of people dying over my 30 year career. | |||
" I qualified as a nurse in London, going on to work in tropical disease medicine. I've worked all over the developing world as a nurse. I'm a nurse practitioner. So no, not a light jogger or funeral observer, though I have nursed alot of people dying over my 30 year career." Presumably as a nurse practitioner youve done the decent thing and volunteered to your local NHS Trust to help nurse the Covid patients? But, having volunteeered your services i guess the local NHS said '''no need' - we have no excess deaths here - its all bunkum - you go back to your daily exercise and hearse spotting routine my friend'' | |||
"It is about peoples lives and the families they leave behind not numbers on a spreadsheet " I’m in total agreement with that but as evidenced in this thread, there are still people who are in total denial of the numbers of people who have died because of this pandemic. The figures from the ONS categorically prove these numbers. | |||
" I qualified as a nurse in London, going on to work in tropical disease medicine. I've worked all over the developing world as a nurse. I'm a nurse practitioner. So no, not a light jogger or funeral observer, though I have nursed alot of people dying over my 30 year career. Presumably as a nurse practitioner youve done the decent thing and volunteered to your local NHS Trust to help nurse the Covid patients? But, having volunteeered your services i guess the local NHS said '''no need' - we have no excess deaths here - its all bunkum - you go back to your daily exercise and hearse spotting routine my friend''" I work for my local NHS trust thanks. Also been working at the Exeter Nightingale. Helped train clinicians returning to practice to assist. Try challenging yourself and, your role. | |||
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"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. The weekly deaths figures released by the ONS are now complete up until the 18 December and stand at 592K for the year. The figures for the past 6 weeks have been around 12/13K per week so the final figure is going to be over 600K. As someone posted above, the total for 2019 was 530K, so the figures for 2020 will surpass 2019 by some 70K! Broadly similar figures to 2018 then ? 2018 was 542K, so higher than 2019 but still way lower than 2020 by some 60/70 K" I got this from ONS.... There were 616,014 deaths registered in the UK in 2018, an increase of 1.5% from 607,172 in 2017.. ? Am I reading it wrong? | |||
"So if loads of deaths why is there hardly any funerals taking place ,i go for exercise every day and only seen one funeral in 8 weeks ... If you let me know where you excerise tinker bell, I’ll ask my porters if they can make sure you see the carcasses... #jesuswept Your porters ? What is your role I’m a PPE warden primarily but because of strain I also undertake a family liaison role within the red zone, portering and the most basic level of the HCA role. I do this in the NW’s second busiest covid hospital and also work with the donning and doffing teams at the NW nightingale. I hopefully move to NWAS in February all being well. And you? A light jogger and funeral observer? There aren't any extra deaths, nor are any critical care beds being used over and above previous years. Source: NHS, CDC. Apparently FAB don't like direct links to said sources though. There's no extra deaths? Eh? The Office for National Statistics data (the only place in the UK where data on deaths from all causes is collated) showed by the end of November that the total number of deaths in 2020 had exceeded the whole of 2019. We have a death rate above the five average. But there's no excess deaths? Where do you get that nugget from?! Haha exceeded the whole of 2019, jesus christ, you actually typed that? Give a source. The weekly deaths figures released by the ONS are now complete up until the 18 December and stand at 592K for the year. The figures for the past 6 weeks have been around 12/13K per week so the final figure is going to be over 600K. As someone posted above, the total for 2019 was 530K, so the figures for 2020 will surpass 2019 by some 70K! Broadly similar figures to 2018 then ? 2018 was 542K, so higher than 2019 but still way lower than 2020 by some 60/70 K I got this from ONS.... There were 616,014 deaths registered in the UK in 2018, an increase of 1.5% from 607,172 in 2017.. ? Am I reading it wrong? " The figures I was quoting, as published by ONS on a weekly and monthly basis, are for England and Wales only. | |||
"If you switch the off the TV (news), bin the newspapers and apply some common sense, I think truthfully, you'll see a very different picture...a picture that is nowhere near as terrifying as the powers that be want to paint. If we reported daily deaths and case numbers for all that kills us eg: alcohol, smoking, overeating, crossing the road, having sex etc. etc. people wouldn't leave their bed...but then again over 450 people die each year falling out of bed. In the United States alone 12,000 die from falling down stairs!! Stop watching the new Global Death Clock and try enjoy the time you have. " If 12,000 people per year die due to falling down the stairs... at the moment that is roughly 4 days of US Covid deaths...... 4 days....... try to downplay that...... So people will never to those on the front line.... until it’s someone close to them | |||
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"If you switch the off the TV (news), bin the newspapers and apply some common sense, I think truthfully, you'll see a very different picture...a picture that is nowhere near as terrifying as the powers that be want to paint. If we reported daily deaths and case numbers for all that kills us eg: alcohol, smoking, overeating, crossing the road, having sex etc. etc. people wouldn't leave their bed...but then again over 450 people die each year falling out of bed. In the United States alone 12,000 die from falling down stairs!! Stop watching the new Global Death Clock and try enjoy the time you have. If 12,000 people per year die due to falling down the stairs... at the moment that is roughly 4 days of US Covid deaths...... 4 days....... try to downplay that...... So people will never to those on the front line.... until it’s someone close to them " What, 12,000? That’s mad! Who knew stairs were so dangerous! | |||
"If you switch the off the TV (news), bin the newspapers and apply some common sense, I think truthfully, you'll see a very different picture...a picture that is nowhere near as terrifying as the powers that be want to paint. If we reported daily deaths and case numbers for all that kills us eg: alcohol, smoking, overeating, crossing the road, having sex etc. etc. people wouldn't leave their bed...but then again over 450 people die each year falling out of bed. In the United States alone 12,000 die from falling down stairs!! Stop watching the new Global Death Clock and try enjoy the time you have. If 12,000 people per year die due to falling down the stairs... at the moment that is roughly 4 days of US Covid deaths...... 4 days....... try to downplay that...... So people will never to those on the front line.... until it’s someone close to them What, 12,000? That’s mad! Who knew stairs were so dangerous!" That's in the USA, where the population is about 320 million people....... | |||
"If you switch the off the TV (news), bin the newspapers and apply some common sense, I think truthfully, you'll see a very different picture...a picture that is nowhere near as terrifying as the powers that be want to paint." Yes, the media do hype it up abit with the numbers there. | |||
"If you switch the off the TV (news), bin the newspapers and apply some common sense, I think truthfully, you'll see a very different picture...a picture that is nowhere near as terrifying as the powers that be want to paint.Yes, the media do hype it up abit with the numbers there." So you think 75,000 deaths is hype? | |||
