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I keep hearing teacher's want to move up the list for the vaccine because they mix with other people when they are at work now today I have heard the police want to move up the list as well so what about people who work in supermarkets like I do I mix with a lot of different people every day so can we move up the list as well |
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I'm a vaccinator that's has clinics cancelled due to "regional difficulties".. so cant even get the over 80s done yet.
I agree all public workers should be offered and in time 75%of population will be offered |
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"I'm a vaccinator that's has clinics cancelled due to "regional difficulties".. so cant even get the over 80s done yet.
I agree all public workers should be offered and in time 75%of population will be offered"
What do you mean by regional difficulties and how long do you think 75% will be done |
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"I'm a vaccinator that's has clinics cancelled due to "regional difficulties".. so cant even get the over 80s done yet.
I agree all public workers should be offered and in time 75%of population will be offered"
Unfortunately the most telling words in your post are 'in time'; i do realise that it is not the fault of the front line staff (it never really is) but the logistics are beyond the abilities of the NHS and the government to get the system in place for you to do your bit. |
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"i work for the fire service and have been doing Covid body retrieval , we can’t get the vaccine yet, get real mask and distance, "
Can I say thanks at this point to all the fire service we don't hear much about them in the news.
So from me thanks too you all. |
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I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable. |
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"Wife is an A&E agency nurse and she hase not even been given a date yet so no hope for the rest of us. As agency she dose not even get paid when having to quarantine. In like teachers.."
It's not a competition for who gets the shittier end of the stick.
Older people, direct healthcare professionals and people with at risk health conditions should rightfully be first, no matter what their specific job role. |
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"I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable."
Not if you are working on the shop floor and a lot of customer's come close to you |
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"I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable.
Not if you are working on the shop floor and a lot of customer's come close to you "
Presumably if a customer comes towards you, you have the option of trying to move away and you can say "please wait there" or similar? My brother is a deputy manager in Aldi and he just asks people to do it or he moves. If anyone doesn't like it, he'll give them the complaints number. Do you know how many people have threatened to report him for following the rules? Lots. How many actually complained? None. Because they know they're wrong. He has more trouble with shoplifters than anything else. |
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"I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable."
Agree with much of that but why are the rooms poorly ventilated? There's no excuse for that. Open the windows and leave them open. My sons school has them sat in coats and hats and windows open and very few cases so far. Some things are beyond Co trol. Opening windows should be compulsory |
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I'm a 46 year old white firefighter, not in the bracket for vacination in anyway until 2022 at the earliest.
My wife is a 47 year old ITU nurse. Our daughter, living at home atm, is 21 and also an ITU nurse. They will get vacinated on Wednesday. At present there is no plan anywhere to get me vacinnated.
At this point it's worth noting that I've been off work for a month. I went to one RTI when the driver was confirmed at hospital as positive, on my first shift back I helped resus a guy that later tested positive. Your taxes are paying for that.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all that supermarket workers are doing, but your employer has a legal obligation to do everthing possible to make you safe at work, as you have also got a legal obligation to do the same. If you feel unsafe, challenge them. only then can/will they lobby Govt on yoour behalf
But for me, no, supermarket staff should not be bumped up the list, unless the ymeet the set criteria. |
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"I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable.
Agree with much of that but why are the rooms poorly ventilated? There's no excuse for that. Open the windows and leave them open. My sons school has them sat in coats and hats and windows open and very few cases so far. Some things are beyond Co trol. Opening windows should be compulsory "
Our classroom windows open approx one inch and then they're on restrictors. We have multiple internal rooms with no windows. How do you open restricted windows and windows that aren't there? |
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I feel lucky to have got my vaccine so quick when i know so many will need to wait. There are so many occupations that work in close contact with other people and i fully understand why folk are getting frustrated. |
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"I feel lucky to have got my vaccine so quick when i know so many will need to wait. There are so many occupations that work in close contact with other people and i fully understand why folk are getting frustrated."
Can I ask why you got your vaccine early |
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"I feel lucky to have got my vaccine so quick when i know so many will need to wait. There are so many occupations that work in close contact with other people and i fully understand why folk are getting frustrated.
Can I ask why you got your vaccine early"
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It’s difficult everyone (who wants the vaccine) will believe their profession is a high priority and always have a reason for their argument.
Everyone is priority so it’s so difficult to be the team making those decisions I’m sure.
I can get a vaccine due to my job. But at least super market workers have access to ppe, masks, screens and have the authority to question people.
Fingers crossed we can get everyone (who wants one) vaccinated as soon as possible  |
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"It’s difficult everyone (who wants the vaccine) will believe their profession is a high priority and always have a reason for their argument.
Everyone is priority so it’s so difficult to be the team making those decisions I’m sure.
I can get a vaccine due to my job. But at least super market workers have access to ppe, masks, screens and have the authority to question people.
Fingers crossed we can get everyone (who wants one) vaccinated as soon as possible "
By question people I mean ask people to love away or as such. Not question people in the sense of mask wearing |
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"Our classroom windows open approx one inch and then they're on restrictors. We have multiple internal rooms with no windows. How do you open restricted windows and windows that aren't there?"
You don't. You make it the employers problem as it is their responsibility under the Law.
If they can't provide a safe working environment then you don't work in it.
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"Our classroom windows open approx one inch and then they're on restrictors. We have multiple internal rooms with no windows. How do you open restricted windows and windows that aren't there?
You don't. You make it the employers problem as it is their responsibility under the Law.
If they can't provide a safe working environment then you don't work in it.
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The claim is that air conditioning replaces windows, but we're not so sure. |
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"The claim is that air conditioning replaces windows, but we're not so sure. "
Then YOU should be asking for verifiable evidence.
And shaming the employer if appropriate for not passing it onto you as per their legal obligation.
Have you asked? |
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"The claim is that air conditioning replaces windows, but we're not so sure.
Then YOU should be asking for verifiable evidence.
And shaming the employer if appropriate for not passing it onto you as per their legal obligation.
Have you asked?"
The Union has, evidence not yet forthcoming. In the meantime, we continue to offer education... |
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"I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable."
a checkout operator can come into contact with more than 150 people in a day, they also handle every item you just touched putting in your basket when they scan your shopping ... so yes the probably are comparable but did it need to be a competition anyway? |
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"I'm a 46 year old white firefighter, not in the bracket for vacination in anyway until 2022 at the earliest.
My wife is a 47 year old ITU nurse. Our daughter, living at home atm, is 21 and also an ITU nurse. They will get vacinated on Wednesday. At present there is no plan anywhere to get me vacinnated.
At this point it's worth noting that I've been off work for a month. I went to one RTI when the driver was confirmed at hospital as positive, on my first shift back I helped resus a guy that later tested positive. Your taxes are paying for that.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all that supermarket workers are doing, but your employer has a legal obligation to do everthing possible to make you safe at work, as you have also got a legal obligation to do the same. If you feel unsafe, challenge them. only then can/will they lobby Govt on yoour behalf
But for me, no, supermarket staff should not be bumped up the list, unless the ymeet the set criteria. "
did you check the calculator because im only 34 , working from home, with no underlying issues snd not in contact with many people pr living with health care worker (these are some of the questions it asks you)
my estimate was early july to mid september ... 2021 so how you’ve managed to determine 2022 for you im not sure |
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"I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable."
Exactly. |
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"I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable."
Sorry but i am shop floor staff ordering the stock in and out and i am mixing with customers 5 days a week. Ive been coughed on. Sneezed on, pushed and verbally abused ive been knocked off a stool by idiots trying to bush into my space and this is most days from early febuary! We have to sit in a crammed canteen for our breaks. So yes, we need out vacine i feel, more than teachers as the public are still walking in and taking their masks off! I am in a high risk area too. |
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We should maintain a presumption against prioritising certain categories of workers beyond that already stated (care homes, frontline NHS).
We have lots of people in the private sector who come into contact with different people or who still have to work in offices and factories. With nearly 6 million in the public sector it’s ridiculous to have categories queue jumping. |
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I don't belive any studies have shown high risk for teachers or shop workers. Even during the first wave when everyone was locked down tight. Shop workers and warehouse workers didn't suffer any worse than the rest. Members of the black and ethnic minorities are an example of a group that have been shown to be at higher risk. |
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"I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable.
Agree with much of that but why are the rooms poorly ventilated? There's no excuse for that. Open the windows and leave them open. My sons school has them sat in coats and hats and windows open and very few cases so far. Some things are beyond Co trol. Opening windows should be compulsory
Our classroom windows open approx one inch and then they're on restrictors. We have multiple internal rooms with no windows. How do you open restricted windows and windows that aren't there?"
Not seeing the installations it's hard to know.... But I would hope that the minds that are providing education to our nation should be able to solve that problem. This has been going on for 10 months nearly now, so education authorities, staff, teachers, must be able to provide safe, well ventilated teaching rooms... Or find ways of doing so.
Now is the time to do things differently. |
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"I don't belive any studies have shown high risk for teachers or shop workers. Even during the first wave when everyone was locked down tight. Shop workers and warehouse workers didn't suffer any worse than the rest. Members of the black and ethnic minorities are an example of a group that have been shown to be at higher risk."
I think the argument is more of an operational one. A positive case can take out a whole department in a large secondary, leaving the school unable to function unless agency staff can be sourced. Agencies charge £280 a day to cover a single teacher. Good agency staff with the correct subject knowledge are difficult to find. Most teachers are teaching via Teams from home but there still needs to be someone in the room to supervise the class. This is why testing needs to be set up correctly in schools and not via some daft webinar. Vaccinations would mean schools can function as normal and our children get a good education. This also supports parents who need to work. |
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"I keep hearing teacher's want to move up the list for the vaccine because they mix with other people when they are at work now today I have heard the police want to move up the list as well so what about people who work in supermarkets like I do I mix with a lot of different people every day so can we move up the list as well"
Hope not! X |
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"I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable.
Not if you are working on the shop floor and a lot of customer's come close to you
Presumably if a customer comes towards you, you have the option of trying to move away and you can say "please wait there" or similar? My brother is a deputy manager in Aldi and he just asks people to do it or he moves. If anyone doesn't like it, he'll give them the complaints number. Do you know how many people have threatened to report him for following the rules? Lots. How many actually complained? None. Because they know they're wrong. He has more trouble with shoplifters than anything else."
This made me laugh!) x |
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"I understand what you're saying, but supermarket workers at checkouts have screens between them and others. Teachers don't. You can physically stay/move 2m away from members of the public - this is nigh on impossible in most classrooms. You don't have 30 people crammed into a poor ventilated room with you, and those 30 people change every hour of the day so that by the end of an average 5-period day, you've been crammed into a small poorly ventilated space with 150 different people. You are expected to handle and mark books that these 150 people also handle and maybe take home. You're expected to assist them by coming into close contact. This is for secondary teachers.
Primary teachers usually stay with one class all day, rather than circulating like in secondary, but the younger the children, the greater the need for close, personal assistance and the less the children might follow rules about staying a certain distance away.
I don't think the two occupations are comparable."
Agreed |
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What about Early Years staff ? We have almost constant, very close contact with children, they are usually crowded around us and sat on our knees, we don't wear PPE and neither do they as the children are frightened by PPE.
We have other things in place to limit contact with other staff and parents and we work in bubbles. It's a scary situation for staff.
Maybe all Early Years staff should be offered the vaccine asap ? |
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"What about Early Years staff ? We have almost constant, very close contact with children, they are usually crowded around us and sat on our knees, we don't wear PPE and neither do they as the children are frightened by PPE.
We have other things in place to limit contact with other staff and parents and we work in bubbles. It's a scary situation for staff.
Maybe all Early Years staff should be offered the vaccine asap ?"
What about the old and vulnerable...? With all you lot climbing on the shoulders of everyone else the folks who make up 95 per cent of the deaths will be near the bottom..... Or is that the master plan! |
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"What about Early Years staff ? We have almost constant, very close contact with children, they are usually crowded around us and sat on our knees, we don't wear PPE and neither do they as the children are frightened by PPE.
We have other things in place to limit contact with other staff and parents and we work in bubbles. It's a scary situation for staff.
Maybe all Early Years staff should be offered the vaccine asap ?
What about the old and vulnerable...? With all you lot climbing on the shoulders of everyone else the folks who make up 95 per cent of the deaths will be near the bottom..... Or is that the master plan! "
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By *amissCouple
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"What about Early Years staff ? We have almost constant, very close contact with children, they are usually crowded around us and sat on our knees, we don't wear PPE and neither do they as the children are frightened by PPE.
We have other things in place to limit contact with other staff and parents and we work in bubbles. It's a scary situation for staff.
Maybe all Early Years staff should be offered the vaccine asap ?
What about the old and vulnerable...? With all you lot climbing on the shoulders of everyone else the folks who make up 95 per cent of the deaths will be near the bottom..... Or is that the master plan!
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My dad is a reasonably healthy 91 year old, who is keen to get on with the rest of his life |
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While I agree supermarket workers should get the vaccine, remember that teachers work in a much more confined space where social distancing is often impossible. Apparently children are now the ones who spread the new variant of Covid the most. That's why the call has gone out to close schools until Feb.
There has to be.a hierarchy due to limited availability of vaccine. I know more people who teach who.have had covid than supermarket workers. Just personal experience
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The claim is that air conditioning replaces windows, but we're not so sure. "
Air con has been proven many a time to spread viruses and airborne particles. Unless fitted with the correct filtration devices it will just circulate the air around. These filters need to be changed regularly to ensure correct functioning. Think nbc bunker scale type filtration. I don't think any standard air con has this level fitted. |
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"What about Early Years staff ? We have almost constant, very close contact with children, they are usually crowded around us and sat on our knees, we don't wear PPE and neither do they as the children are frightened by PPE.
We have other things in place to limit contact with other staff and parents and we work in bubbles. It's a scary situation for staff.
Maybe all Early Years staff should be offered the vaccine asap ?
What about the old and vulnerable...? With all you lot climbing on the shoulders of everyone else the folks who make up 95 per cent of the deaths will be near the bottom..... Or is that the master plan! "
I am vulnerable, i got the shielding letter hence im furloughed but there are some Early Years staff in other nurseries that are equally vulnerable but don't have a boss that will furlough them to keep them safe. |
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"What about Early Years staff ? We have almost constant, very close contact with children, they are usually crowded around us and sat on our knees, we don't wear PPE and neither do they as the children are frightened by PPE.
We have other things in place to limit contact with other staff and parents and we work in bubbles. It's a scary situation for staff.
Maybe all Early Years staff should be offered the vaccine asap ?
What about the old and vulnerable...? With all you lot climbing on the shoulders of everyone else the folks who make up 95 per cent of the deaths will be near the bottom..... Or is that the master plan!
My dad is a reasonably healthy 91 year old, who is keen to get on with the rest of his life "
I think most people do ! |
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"What about Early Years staff ? We have almost constant, very close contact with children, they are usually crowded around us and sat on our knees, we don't wear PPE and neither do they as the children are frightened by PPE.
We have other things in place to limit contact with other staff and parents and we work in bubbles. It's a scary situation for staff.
Maybe all Early Years staff should be offered the vaccine asap ?
What about the old and vulnerable...? With all you lot climbing on the shoulders of everyone else the folks who make up 95 per cent of the deaths will be near the bottom..... Or is that the master plan!
My dad is a reasonably healthy 91 year old, who is keen to get on with the rest of his life
I think most people do !"
Yes we do, but some want to write off the elderly and I don't think that is right.. |
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"What about Early Years staff ? We have almost constant, very close contact with children, they are usually crowded around us and sat on our knees, we don't wear PPE and neither do they as the children are frightened by PPE.
We have other things in place to limit contact with other staff and parents and we work in bubbles. It's a scary situation for staff.
Maybe all Early Years staff should be offered the vaccine asap ?
What about the old and vulnerable...? With all you lot climbing on the shoulders of everyone else the folks who make up 95 per cent of the deaths will be near the bottom..... Or is that the master plan!
My dad is a reasonably healthy 91 year old, who is keen to get on with the rest of his life
I think most people do !
Yes we do, but some want to write off the elderly and I don't think that is right.."
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"What about Early Years staff ? We have almost constant, very close contact with children, they are usually crowded around us and sat on our knees, we don't wear PPE and neither do they as the children are frightened by PPE.
We have other things in place to limit contact with other staff and parents and we work in bubbles. It's a scary situation for staff.
Maybe all Early Years staff should be offered the vaccine asap ?
What about the old and vulnerable...? With all you lot climbing on the shoulders of everyone else the folks who make up 95 per cent of the deaths will be near the bottom..... Or is that the master plan!
My dad is a reasonably healthy 91 year old, who is keen to get on with the rest of his life
I think most people do !
Yes we do, but some want to write off the elderly and I don't think that is right..
I agree "
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I agree about the supermarket workers... supermarkets are the one place where people have to mix in a confined space...and there have been studies showing the Aircon actually circulates the air round the store rather than replaces it  |
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"So let's face it
We should have all had the 2 lots by 2024 ish"
Europe plans to have everyone vaccinated who wants it, by the end of 2021. It's a good plan.
There is competition here between groups but it should be those at greater risk of death and serious illness imo. This will allow the NHS to improve its services for all much quicker |
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over a year ago
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"So let's face it
We should have all had the 2 lots by 2024 ish
Europe plans to have everyone vaccinated who wants it, by the end of 2021. It's a good plan.
There is competition here between groups but it should be those at greater risk of death and serious illness imo. This will allow the NHS to improve its services for all much quicker "
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"I agree about the supermarket workers... supermarkets are the one place where people have to mix in a confined space...and there have been studies showing the Aircon actually circulates the air round the store rather than replaces it "
Nah! Take me chances! X |
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The claim is that air conditioning replaces windows, but we're not so sure.
Air con has been proven many a time to spread viruses and airborne particles. Unless fitted with the correct filtration devices it will just circulate the air around. These filters need to be changed regularly to ensure correct functioning. Think nbc bunker scale type filtration. I don't think any standard air con has this level fitted. "
We (the staff) realise this but we have the internal classrooms and the restricted windows, so at the moment, have little choice. The building is old and listed and apparently they're not allowed to replace the rickety old aluminium framed windows. Because we're on the 4th floor and without the restrictors, the fully opened windows are big enough for someone to climb out of, they keep them nigh on shut. As I said, you get them about an inch open and that's it. As we're post-16, we have our classrooms socially distanced (unlike secondary schools), so there's a max of 12 students rather than 24+.
We've had a small number of cases in students (not linked in the same teaching groups) and more in staff. One staffroom had 4 people test positive within a couple of weeks. They denied the cases were linked, because the staffroom is socially distanced (workstations spaced out) but there's little air flow apart from the air con. Actually, I'm going to plot who tested positive and where they sit in relation to the air con outlets, that might tell us something.
Fortunately, no-one from our organisation had severe Covid. I had it right at the start, at the end of March but very mild. |
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"So let's face it
We should have all had the 2 lots by 2024 ish
Europe plans to have everyone vaccinated who wants it, by the end of 2021. It's a good plan.
There is competition here between groups but it should be those at greater risk of death and serious illness imo. This will allow the NHS to improve its services for all much quicker "
That means i will be getting it soon, then i can safely return to work. |
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Every group will have its reasons why they should get the vaccine before others.
For me the way it is rolling out now is the right way, the most vulnerable, elderly and underlying health conditions, should be at the top of the list as they are those most likely to die from it, together with those doing the daily hands on care of individuals.
Everyone else just be patient and wait your turn, for some that is a long wait, but it is what it is.
Head of NHS England (Sir Simon) predicted that all vulnerable people will be vaccinated by late spring - but warns that "we are back in the eye of the storm with this second wave of coronavirus”
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"While I agree supermarket workers should get the vaccine, remember that teachers work in a much more confined space where social distancing is often impossible. Apparently children are now the ones who spread the new variant of Covid the most. That's why the call has gone out to close schools until Feb.
There has to be.a hierarchy due to limited availability of vaccine. I know more people who teach who.have had covid than supermarket workers. Just personal experience
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Sorry but from my experiance we had so many off with covid 2 as we speak are in icu. Most customers won't distance themselves i work in there 5 days a week long hours and on the shop floor so I'm in the middle of it. |
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"I agree about the supermarket workers... supermarkets are the one place where people have to mix in a confined space...and there have been studies showing the Aircon actually circulates the air round the store rather than replaces it "
Agreed |
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"Every group will have its reasons why they should get the vaccine before others.
For me the way it is rolling out now is the right way, the most vulnerable, elderly and underlying health conditions, should be at the top of the list as they are those most likely to die from it, together with those doing the daily hands on care of individuals.
Everyone else just be patient and wait your turn, for some that is a long wait, but it is what it is.
Head of NHS England (Sir Simon) predicted that all vulnerable people will be vaccinated by late spring - but warns that "we are back in the eye of the storm with this second wave of coronavirus”
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i definitely agree that the vulnerable should be first, i just don’t see the harm in then prioritising people who work with the public next ... people like me who work at home can much more easily wait or isolate if required |
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In this 1st wave for the over fifties and extreme vulnerable risk group other than front line nhs workers and care home staff nobody is being prioritised dependent on career or job.
However the list for the 2nd wave of vaccines for the under 50 has yet to be drawn up and there is a lot of suggestion that could be prioritised depending on work place and other risk factors like ethnicity. |
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"Every group will have its reasons why they should get the vaccine before others.
For me the way it is rolling out now is the right way, the most vulnerable, elderly and underlying health conditions, should be at the top of the list as they are those most likely to die from it, together with those doing the daily hands on care of individuals.
Everyone else just be patient and wait your turn, for some that is a long wait, but it is what it is.
Head of NHS England (Sir Simon) predicted that all vulnerable people will be vaccinated by late spring - but warns that "we are back in the eye of the storm with this second wave of coronavirus”
i definitely agree that the vulnerable should be first, i just don’t see the harm in then prioritising people who work with the public next ... people like me who work at home can much more easily wait or isolate if required "
I wouldn’t have a problem with that either, teachers, policeman, supermarket staff to name a few. I’m happy to wait |
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"Wife is an A&E agency nurse and she hase not even been given a date yet so no hope for the rest of us. As agency she dose not even get paid when having to quarantine. In like teachers.."
I work in healthcare with vulnerable elderly. Neither myself nor patients have had it yet non patient contact clerical staff have. Who knows what criteria they're administering it in. |
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Anyone who is at risk of spreading should be prioritised.
Construction workers have been overlooked massively, yet expected to keep the economy going. Hubby has been lucky, as he’s primarily office based so has been able to work from home.
But we have had to send contractors up and down the country for 9 months, mixing with other people on sites, often with limited hotel and meal availability. |
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"Anyone who is at risk of spreading should be prioritised.
Construction workers have been overlooked massively, yet expected to keep the economy going. Hubby has been lucky, as he’s primarily office based so has been able to work from home.
But we have had to send contractors up and down the country for 9 months, mixing with other people on sites, often with limited hotel and meal availability."
But that's pointless because the vaccine doesn't stop someone being contagious so it's pointless to vaccinate people that could spread it. The vaccine protects the individual,not others so those that are likely to get sickest should have it first. |
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But that's pointless because the vaccine doesn't stop someone being contagious so it's pointless to vaccinate people that could spread it. The vaccine protects the individual,not others so those that are likely to get sickest should have it first. "
The AZ vaccine has proven (in testing) to reduce transmission because it makes the virus unable to attach itself to the bodies cells. |
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But that's pointless because the vaccine doesn't stop someone being contagious so it's pointless to vaccinate people that could spread it. The vaccine protects the individual,not others so those that are likely to get sickest should have it first.
The AZ vaccine has proven (in testing) to reduce transmission because it makes the virus unable to attach itself to the bodies cells."
Yes but the Oxford one hasn't and thats the one that the vast majority of the population will get. |
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"I feel lucky to have got my vaccine so quick when i know so many will need to wait. There are so many occupations that work in close contact with other people and i fully understand why folk are getting frustrated.
Can I ask why you got your vaccine early
I work in a dementia unit"
My 18 year old niece got hers last week for the exact same reason.
My Mrs works in a nursing home and can book the first injection but can't book the second injection for love nor money. |
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"I feel lucky to have got my vaccine so quick when i know so many will need to wait. There are so many occupations that work in close contact with other people and i fully understand why folk are getting frustrated.
Can I ask why you got your vaccine early
I work in a dementia unit
My 18 year old niece got hers last week for the exact same reason.
My Mrs works in a nursing home and can book the first injection but can't book the second injection for love nor money."
They have all been delayed.
My partners mother was meant to have her second one next Tuesday but has been told its cancelled and dont know if or when she will get a second dose. |
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"The choices won't please many. I see the sense in treating those at highest risk of death and serious illness, as this will help us to reduce hospital overload, as well as the death toll. "
Exactly that's why the list is as it is |
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Anyone that leaves there home for work or essential supplies are at risk,at our local supermarket the staff are not bothered by social distancing,they are in groups,not keeping there distance from customers or other staff.
The company we work for dont care about the rules or gov guidelines,
Even the production manager said hes not bothered about all this covid shit(his words not outs)we are sick of putting complaints in and nothing happening.
I wear my mask and gloves when ever I have to be in close proximity with others,we all have a responsibility to keep ourselfs and loved ones safe.
Most companies do not care they show the gov that they have put these guidelines into place but all they care about is there bank accounts.
Personally we think all front line staff should be first nhs,police,firefighters because sometimes they dont have a choice, sometimes they have to put themselves at risk to save others. Without front line staff we are all f**k.
If you work in a supermarket or as a teacher or any other profession that does not directly put you at unavoidable risk you need to take responsibility for your own actions. |
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"Anyone that leaves there home for work or essential supplies are at risk,at our local supermarket the staff are not bothered by social distancing,they are in groups,not keeping there distance from customers or other staff.
The company we work for dont care about the rules or gov guidelines,
Even the production manager said hes not bothered about all this covid shit(his words not outs)we are sick of putting complaints in and nothing happening.
I wear my mask and gloves when ever I have to be in close proximity with others,we all have a responsibility to keep ourselfs and loved ones safe.
Most companies do not care they show the gov that they have put these guidelines into place but all they care about is there bank accounts.
Personally we think all front line staff should be first nhs,police,firefighters because sometimes they dont have a choice, sometimes they have to put themselves at risk to save others. Without front line staff we are all f**k.
If you work in a supermarket or as a teacher or any other profession that does not directly put you at unavoidable risk you need to take responsibility for your own actions."
Think u find most supermarket staff not like this! It's the customers in one I work! They have no respect whatsoever for personal space! I know it's difficult in there but alot dont even try! I've resigned myself to the fact and if I get it so b it I need to work! And 21 still living at home works in the other big supermarket so not much hope for my bubble x |
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"Anyone that leaves there home for work or essential supplies are at risk,at our local supermarket the staff are not bothered by social distancing,they are in groups,not keeping there distance from customers or other staff.
The company we work for dont care about the rules or gov guidelines,
Even the production manager said hes not bothered about all this covid shit(his words not outs)we are sick of putting complaints in and nothing happening.
I wear my mask and gloves when ever I have to be in close proximity with others,we all have a responsibility to keep ourselfs and loved ones safe.
Most companies do not care they show the gov that they have put these guidelines into place but all they care about is there bank accounts.
Personally we think all front line staff should be first nhs,police,firefighters because sometimes they dont have a choice, sometimes they have to put themselves at risk to save others. Without front line staff we are all f**k.
If you work in a supermarket or as a teacher or any other profession that does not directly put you at unavoidable risk you need to take responsibility for your own actions."
Think u find most supermarket staff not like this! It's the customers in one I work! They have no respect whatsoever for personal space! I know it's difficult in there but alot dont even try! I've resigned myself to the fact and if I get it so b it I need to work! And 21 still living at home works in the other big supermarket so not much hope for my bubble x
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"While I agree supermarket workers should get the vaccine, remember that teachers work in a much more confined space where social distancing is often impossible. Apparently children are now the ones who spread the new variant of Covid the most. That's why the call has gone out to close schools until Feb.
There has to be.a hierarchy due to limited availability of vaccine. I know more people who teach who.have had covid than supermarket workers. Just personal experience
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They been dropping like flys in our supermarket with covid 2 are on ventilator atm. We are all really scared. |
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"Anyone that leaves there home for work or essential supplies are at risk,at our local supermarket the staff are not bothered by social distancing,they are in groups,not keeping there distance from customers or other staff.
The company we work for dont care about the rules or gov guidelines,
Even the production manager said hes not bothered about all this covid shit(his words not outs)we are sick of putting complaints in and nothing happening.
I wear my mask and gloves when ever I have to be in close proximity with others,we all have a responsibility to keep ourselfs and loved ones safe.
Most companies do not care they show the gov that they have put these guidelines into place but all they care about is there bank accounts.
Personally we think all front line staff should be first nhs,police,firefighters because sometimes they dont have a choice, sometimes they have to put themselves at risk to save others. Without front line staff we are all f**k.
If you work in a supermarket or as a teacher or any other profession that does not directly put you at unavoidable risk you need to take responsibility for your own actions.
Think u find most supermarket staff not like this! It's the customers in one I work! They have no respect whatsoever for personal space! I know it's difficult in there but alot dont even try! I've resigned myself to the fact and if I get it so b it I need to work! And 21 still living at home works in the other big supermarket so not much hope for my bubble x
*21 year old daughter x"
Agreed. Some customers are amazing but it really is 50/50 scarey stuff x |
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I’m a police officer and I don’t believe we are getting it any time soon. I guess it’s difficult to as everyone will have their reasons as to why they should get it over another group of people.
Working in the police we get people purposely coughing at us, spitting at us etc. But I do agree the supermarket workers should be high on the list. You guys come into contact with so many people and let’s face it we all use supermarkets and would be up shit creek without it. |
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"I’m a police officer and I don’t believe we are getting it any time soon. I guess it’s difficult to as everyone will have their reasons as to why they should get it over another group of people.
Working in the police we get people purposely coughing at us, spitting at us etc. But I do agree the supermarket workers should be high on the list. You guys come into contact with so many people and let’s face it we all use supermarkets and would be up shit creek without it."
Thankyou. Means alot that coming from a police officer. In the beginning of this when the abuse started all i thought about was you guys and hospital staff as you get this sort of abuse on a daily basis. I really was gobsmacked how nasty and vicious some people can actally be towards another person/ stranger. Hats off to you guys! We finally see what you have to put up with with the violent behaviour towatds you as we get it daily now. Ive been coughed on, pushed, even sneezed on! Disgusting. All i do is order food for the public. |
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Some good views/threads. One main concensus seems whatever frontline profession your in we should be higher up the list. I couldn't agree more. As a couple we are both frontline workers and to be honest offered very little protection by our respective employers other than how you can protect yourself, quite difficult when some people still really do not care. |
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To be honest I think most police are just used to it now.
The real heroes are the NHS, I know people that didn’t see there family for a few weeks during the first lockdown and were staying in hotels to protect their families. They were working flat out.
I don’t understand the thinking logic behind some people’s thinking. Yes if you’ve had a bad experience with the police I can sort of understand hatred towards them. But what could they possibly have against supermarket workers?! Just everyday people trying to make a living and continue working to help others. |
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Think the main problem with this is once you have been Vaccinated you can still catch COVID-19 and still pass it on so more systematic. So, the problem could get worse before it gets better.
Can just see a teacher or shop worker passing it on unknowingly.
But we do need to get this out ASAP
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"I keep hearing teacher's want to move up the list for the vaccine because they mix with other people when they are at work now today I have heard the police want to move up the list as well so what about people who work in supermarkets like I do I mix with a lot of different people every day so can we move up the list as well"
Trouble is everyone who works outside of their home mixes with lots of people. I work For the prison service yet we are never mentioned when it comes to keyworkers or vaccines etc. |
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"I'm a 46 year old white firefighter, not in the bracket for vacination in anyway until 2022 at the earliest.
My wife is a 47 year old ITU nurse. Our daughter, living at home atm, is 21 and also an ITU nurse. They will get vacinated on Wednesday. At present there is no plan anywhere to get me vacinnated.
At this point it's worth noting that I've been off work for a month. I went to one RTI when the driver was confirmed at hospital as positive, on my first shift back I helped resus a guy that later tested positive. Your taxes are paying for that.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all that supermarket workers are doing, but your employer has a legal obligation to do everthing possible to make you safe at work, as you have also got a legal obligation to do the same. If you feel unsafe, challenge them. only then can/will they lobby Govt on yoour behalf
But for me, no, supermarket staff should not be bumped up the list, unless the ymeet the set criteria. "
You’ll be offered it by June. What you on about? |
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"Think the main problem with this is once you have been Vaccinated you can still catch COVID-19 and still pass it on so more systematic. So, the problem could get worse before it gets better.
Can just see a teacher or shop worker passing it on unknowingly.
But we do need to get this out ASAP
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It makes it far less likely that you will pass it on, it’s a very misleading narrative that seems to have now become assumed fact that vaccinated people will spread at same levels as unvaccinated, it is not the case. It is not merely a symptom eliminator.
You can still be an infector (the same way a door handle is) but not likely to be infectious if that makes sense, totally different levels |
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"In this 1st wave for the over fifties and extreme vulnerable risk group other than front line nhs workers and care home staff nobody is being prioritised dependent on career or job.
However the list for the 2nd wave of vaccines for the under 50 has yet to be drawn up and there is a lot of suggestion that could be prioritised depending on work place and other risk factors like ethnicity. "
It won’t be, it will be more akin to a free for all for maximum speed. Rates of upto 5 million per week are being targeted in the background (but not mentioned for fear of under delivering)
Other than vaccine supply (at the moment) administration of all the priority groups is and will be, the limiting factor. There is zero appetite to add more in at the moment |
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Surely the carers are running out of peoples homes should be the 1st to get the vaccine? Personally they were a higher risk of catching it and spreading it then supermarket workers. |
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Just checked BBC NEWS Scotland....10 mins ago.
2 Tesco workers died of Covid days apart and both worked in same store. Few other are also positive in next town.
Still people wont take this virus serious. |
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