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By *ook OP Man
over a year ago
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An elderly neighbour and his wife have stayed covid free all this time. Today I awoke early morning to blue flashing lights outside... and see him being taken by ambulance to hospital. The thing is he’s a strong independent man but his middle aged children and family are a constant stream of visitors checking on him. This morning I asked 2 of them hanging around outside his house if he was ok? And was told he had breathing difficulties! Sheepishly they looked down at the ground when I asked ‘covid’ ? I wonder how many others will have been given this unwanted present by well meaning family. I know one family that had 13 for Xmas day ... it was hard not to visit mine this year but imagine finding you had dealt a killer blow to someone you love... tragic. |
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I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us. |
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This is sad to hear. Unfortunately there are so many asymptomatic people out there who don't consider the impact on elderly relatives. It's been so tough on us all but the safest way to 'keep an eye' on someone you care about is to stay away. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't think that is actually ironic. If that is the question.
I think that is the warned against and expected outcome?
I mean it's nearly been a year... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"And just like Santa coming to bring kids presents ... this is another thing that only happened in the imagination ... "
Sorry? What do you been... Santa? That's his job isn't it? Who else would do it? |
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"I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us."
Was Boris right about what? |
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"I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us.
Was Boris right about what? "
To allow any Christmas social intercourse at all, given the apparent gravity of the situation. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us.
Was Boris right about what?
To allow any Christmas social intercourse at all, given the apparent gravity of the situation."
It wasn't compulsory people have the right to make their own decisions.  |
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"I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us.
Was Boris right about what?
To allow any Christmas social intercourse at all, given the apparent gravity of the situation."
Well I suppose warning people to keep distant and not get too close at Christmas for the days running up to it. The fact we weren't frog marched to have Xmas with friends, bubbles, family. Sure why not blame someone else apart from the people spreading it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Love this Christmas. Best one ever. I hope I never have to go back to the stressful obligations and bullshit traditions that is just consumer trappings. I spent my Christmas with my new husband and that was it. X |
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By *ook OP Man
over a year ago
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"Sanctimonious no one has the right to judge"
Really? Did I judge? The situation speaks for itself doesn’t it. Tempted to write an angry response to this but your comment makes you look stupid enough. |
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Well I suppose warning people to keep distant and not get too close at Christmas for the days running up to it. The fact we weren't frog marched to have Xmas with friends, bubbles, family. Sure why not blame someone else apart from the people spreading it. "
Exactly. Why would people blame themselves when they can say "But we weren't banned by the government from mixing "?
Boris is The front man for the outfit, hence my belief that if there is a backlash it will head his way more than anyone else's. |
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"An elderly neighbour and his wife have stayed covid free all this time. Today I awoke early morning to blue flashing lights outside... and see him being taken by ambulance to hospital. The thing is he’s a strong independent man but his middle aged children and family are a constant stream of visitors checking on him. This morning I asked 2 of them hanging around outside his house if he was ok? And was told he had breathing difficulties! Sheepishly they looked down at the ground when I asked ‘covid’ ? I wonder how many others will have been given this unwanted present by well meaning family. I know one family that had 13 for Xmas day ... it was hard not to visit mine this year but imagine finding you had dealt a killer blow to someone you love... tragic. "
In a way I was glad to have been into tier 4 last Saturday it took all the decision making out of my hands ..... |
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"I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us.
Was Boris right about what?
To allow any Christmas social intercourse at all, given the apparent gravity of the situation.It wasn't compulsory people have the right to make their own decisions. "
Yep and as we can see they decided to take action that led to their elderly parents being blue lighted to hospital .... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sometimes I read stuff on this forum which makes me think “want on earth motivates people”.
I’ve worked since March at the very centre of caring for those unfortunate to be severely affected during this pandemic and sadly amongst those have now seen 127 people pass away during my shifts.
What that time has taught me is people just get unlucky, there’s been many horrific outcomes, I’ve heard over 100 sad stories of unintentional infection, seen many hundreds of devastated relatives etc.
We all take a risk everyday, we all roll the dice and hope we come up lucky and avoid either being infected or indeed infecting others.
There has to be an acceptance of risk, there has to be space for love, family and care and an acceptance for a few unlucky people it will go badly wrong.
Perhaps OP try to view the tragedy, don’t judge, don’t point a finger and present it as a “serves you right” moment.
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"I've got £50 says if one of them had passed them a cold and that led to pneumonia you wouldn't of[sic] posted anything about that."
Maybe it is seriously time to start thinking a bit harder about the vulnerability of the elderly to any infection by visitors.
I bet (maybe not £50) that the general new awareness about virus transmission has spared quite a few extra people from previously inevitable winter bugs. |
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"I've got £50 says if one of them had passed them a cold and that led to pneumonia you wouldn't of[sic] posted anything about that.
Maybe it is seriously time to start thinking a bit harder about the vulnerability of the elderly to any infection by visitors.
I bet (maybe not £50) that the general new awareness about virus transmission has spared quite a few extra people from previously inevitable winter bugs."
Kind of going back to basic hygiene policies..
Like our mams used to beat into us... "don't rub your hands along the shelves, escalators..." "have you washed that apple?" and so on...
Lets hope there's a silver lining or two to be had eventually. |
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By *ook OP Man
over a year ago
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"That's sad Zook. Just imagine how his family must be feeling right now.
Boris said you could but you didn't have to. We didn't and I feel we done the right thing. "
Absolutely... I did the same and I admit I thought hard about ignoring it, getting in the car and going just for the day... wouldn’t really hurt would it? After all I’m family and I had a clear test s few days ago... I must be ok, I’m sensible etc etc. I’m so glad I stayed away from my family. If you didn’t then I hope you and yours stay well. I really like my old neighbour and I sincerely hope he’s ok. |
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By *ook OP Man
over a year ago
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"Sometimes I read stuff on this forum which makes me think “want on earth motivates people”.
I’ve worked since March at the very centre of caring for those unfortunate to be severely affected during this pandemic and sadly amongst those have now seen 127 people pass away during my shifts.
What that time has taught me is people just get unlucky, there’s been many horrific outcomes, I’ve heard over 100 sad stories of unintentional infection, seen many hundreds of devastated relatives etc.
We all take a risk everyday, we all roll the dice and hope we come up lucky and avoid either being infected or indeed infecting others.
There has to be an acceptance of risk, there has to be space for love, family and care and an acceptance for a few unlucky people it will go badly wrong.
Perhaps OP try to view the tragedy, don’t judge, don’t point a finger and present it as a “serves you right” moment.
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Genuinely not meant to blame or shame... I’m just really sad that he’s ill now. As I said I thought about it myself ( but decided otherwise) and posted to let others have a little insight into what can happen... no blame intended and perhaps badly worded initial post. |
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"How quick can you catch it and develop breathing difficulties ? If he was blue lighted Christmas Evening when would he have caught it ? Not from the two sheepish visitors hanging about outside. "
From Santa... Popping down the chimney of course |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Genuinely not meant to blame or shame... I’m just really sad that he’s ill now. As I said I thought about it myself ( but decided otherwise) and posted to let others have a little insight into what can happen... no blame intended and perhaps badly worded initial post. "
It reads quite “I made the right choice, he didn’t”. I’m glad you’re actually upset, my faith in humanity is restored somewhat.
Life being life you could lose a parent at anytime, in that scenario you’d be distraught and regret not choosing to spend that time with them. It works every which way.
I’m glad you rolled lucky.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How quick can you catch it and develop breathing difficulties ? If he was blue lighted Christmas Evening when would he have caught it ? Not from the two sheepish visitors hanging about outside. "
It would usually take 13-14 days to develop serious complications. The patient would have been showing symptoms to reach that point too. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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Well I suppose warning people to keep distant and not get too close at Christmas for the days running up to it. The fact we weren't frog marched to have Xmas with friends, bubbles, family. Sure why not blame someone else apart from the people spreading it.
Exactly. Why would people blame themselves when they can say "But we weren't banned by the government from mixing "?
Boris is The front man for the outfit, hence my belief that if there is a backlash it will head his way more than anyone else's."
Have people no common sense these days, we all know the risks involved in meeting others, we dont need telling everyday not to take those risks, the government tells us when the risk levels rise or falls, what every person does is entirely down to them |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us.
Was Boris right about what?
To allow any Christmas social intercourse at all, given the apparent gravity of the situation.
Well I suppose warning people to keep distant and not get too close at Christmas for the days running up to it. The fact we weren't frog marched to have Xmas with friends, bubbles, family. Sure why not blame someone else apart from the people spreading it. "
So very true, but so many don't like the responsibility that comes with their choice and want to blame anyone else to avoid the guilt attached to the possibility of passing it on to family and its severe consequences.
I'm sorry for anyone who thinks this is wrong but one day the bubble will burst when it happens and the pain will remain a long time after Christmas. Nothing sanctimonious, just honest reality that a lot want to brush under the carpet.
The realities of our activity and actions will continue to live with many of us. |
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"How quick can you catch it and develop breathing difficulties ? If he was blue lighted Christmas Evening when would he have caught it ? Not from the two sheepish visitors hanging about outside.
It would usually take 13-14 days to develop serious complications. The patient would have been showing symptoms to reach that point too. "
I've read 4-7 days is much more common in the elderly. |
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"How quick can you catch it and develop breathing difficulties ? If he was blue lighted Christmas Evening when would he have caught it ? Not from the two sheepish visitors hanging about outside.
It would usually take 13-14 days to develop serious complications. The patient would have been showing symptoms to reach that point too.
I've read 4-7 days is much more common in the elderly."
There’s no guarantee but in general it’s 2 weeks. |
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"How quick can you catch it and develop breathing difficulties ? If he was blue lighted Christmas Evening when would he have caught it ? Not from the two sheepish visitors hanging about outside. "
its not from Christmas visitors if he was bluelighted Christmas eve... more likely before... if its even covid
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Well I suppose warning people to keep distant and not get too close at Christmas for the days running up to it. The fact we weren't frog marched to have Xmas with friends, bubbles, family. Sure why not blame someone else apart from the people spreading it.
Exactly. Why would people blame themselves when they can say "But we weren't banned by the government from mixing "?
Boris is The front man for the outfit, hence my belief that if there is a backlash it will head his way more than anyone else's.
Have people no common sense these days, we all know the risks involved in meeting others, we dont need telling everyday not to take those risks, the government tells us when the risk levels rise or falls, what every person does is entirely down to them "
Don't you think, as this has progresses over the... 10 months? We (people generally) have become much more reliant on "govt" telling them what they can do? I know it's been a very tough year and we are faced with another tough 12 months ahead. But a lot of people don't seem able to read, understand, make decisions and act upon the information that is out there. I mean if your local infection rates are bonkers high... Do you need to be out and about? |
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By *rSshMan
over a year ago
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Really? Did I judge? The situation speaks for itself doesn’t it. Tempted to write an angry response to this but your comment makes you look stupid enough. "
May be a bit compassionate and spend more time thinking about how he is doing and how his family is doing And no, the member’s comment doesn’t make them sound stupid at all. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"An elderly neighbour and his wife have stayed covid free all this time. Today I awoke early morning to blue flashing lights outside... and see him being taken by ambulance to hospital. The thing is he’s a strong independent man but his middle aged children and family are a constant stream of visitors checking on him. This morning I asked 2 of them hanging around outside his house if he was ok? And was told he had breathing difficulties! Sheepishly they looked down at the ground when I asked ‘covid’ ? I wonder how many others will have been given this unwanted present by well meaning family. I know one family that had 13 for Xmas day ... it was hard not to visit mine this year but imagine finding you had dealt a killer blow to someone you love... tragic. "
Very true
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"Sanctimonious no one has the right to judge"
A little harsh but succinctly put. I had to avoid my daughters and grandson being at risk myself.
We have to be responsible for our own actions but sometimes the heart wins over the head at times? Can't really criticise anyone, I'm lucky to have friends but this is not always the case for some older folks? Let's be nice to each other? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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thanks Sally just made me think about the terminally ill lady crying on tv cos the family were following rules about not visiting when she'd probably not last another 12 months anyway. each case is individual
i think people are way too squeamish about death these days on a more general point
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It would surely be impossible to pinpoint exactly where a person had caught a virus from unless they had been in a sealed room all year. Some people may prefer the comfort of seeing family over wishing to blame them for a virus that is pretty hard to stop. |
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"Sanctimonious no one has the right to judge
So you approve of murder then?"
Don't be so dramatic. Murder is intention to kill. If all family members know the risk and are prepared to take it its their choice.
The OP certainly was sanctimonious |
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"I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us."
Boris has never been right, dillied and dallied from day 1.
Should of went lockdown earlier and closed airports.
All about the £ with the tories never about peoples safety.
The way they gave our various contracts speaks volumes, brotherhood working at its best.
They went against advice on a few occasions because it didn't suit them.
Boris is a pupet for big business, donors or whatever is calling the shots.
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I think this boils down to interpretation - I didn’t feel the OP was being sanctimonious.
I do find it interesting that some feel that these actions shouldn’t be judged though. At this stage we all know the consequences of this virus and what can happen. If you knowingly put your family members in danger - should everyone else just mind their own business? |
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"My mum (82) has continued seeing me and her grandchildren almost daily. She is fully aware of the risks but says her life wouldn't be worth living if she couldn't see us. "
Well is she?
There is so much disinformation on social media and people assuming COVID only happens to other people perhaps they thought they were immune.
Others are saying well my elderly relatives would rather die than not see their family.
My elderly relatives are ex GPs and NHS staff. They have no wish to die by being slowly suffocated fighting for every breath because that's how you go, so have told me and my siblings to eff off and don't dare come round.
Yes its difficult but they have no wish to die on their own unable to breath. Perhaps that might cause some of those above to reconsider the "fighting" talk.....
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Boris has over promised and under delivered from the start.
It was all about the optics of not wanting to be known as the prime minister who cancelled christmas.
However the price of that will be seen in the increase (or not) in the number of deaths in the first 2 weeks of January. |
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"I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us.
Boris has never been right, dillied and dallied from day 1.
Should of went lockdown earlier and closed airports.
All about the £ with the tories never about peoples safety.
The way they gave our various contracts speaks volumes, brotherhood working at its best.
They went against advice on a few occasions because it didn't suit them.
Boris is a pupet for big business, donors or whatever is calling the shots.
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you're right about the airports.. never understood that
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"An elderly neighbour and his wife have stayed covid free all this time. Today I awoke early morning to blue flashing lights outside... and see him being taken by ambulance to hospital. The thing is he’s a strong independent man but his middle aged children and family are a constant stream of visitors checking on him. This morning I asked 2 of them hanging around outside his house if he was ok? And was told he had breathing difficulties! Sheepishly they looked down at the ground when I asked ‘covid’ ? I wonder how many others will have been given this unwanted present by well meaning family. I know one family that had 13 for Xmas day ... it was hard not to visit mine this year but imagine finding you had dealt a killer blow to someone you love... tragic. "
Sheepishly looking people hanging around his house? Goodness you’re really judging aren’t you? |
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"I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us.
Was Boris right about what?
To allow any Christmas social intercourse at all, given the apparent gravity of the situation.It wasn't compulsory people have the right to make their own decisions.
Yep and as we can see they decided to take action that led to their elderly parents being blue lighted to hospital .... "
there is no way if its covid it was passed yesterday at christmas dinner ... the illness does not progress that quickly in your body ... could just as easily have got it last week in the supermarket or out picking up presents for the grandkids |
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"Sometimes I read stuff on this forum which makes me think “want on earth motivates people”.
I’ve worked since March at the very centre of caring for those unfortunate to be severely affected during this pandemic and sadly amongst those have now seen 127 people pass away during my shifts.
What that time has taught me is people just get unlucky, there’s been many horrific outcomes, I’ve heard over 100 sad stories of unintentional infection, seen many hundreds of devastated relatives etc.
We all take a risk everyday, we all roll the dice and hope we come up lucky and avoid either being infected or indeed infecting others.
There has to be an acceptance of risk, there has to be space for love, family and care and an acceptance for a few unlucky people it will go badly wrong.
Perhaps OP try to view the tragedy, don’t judge, don’t point a finger and present it as a “serves you right” moment.
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I doubt it’s due to having anyone round for Christmas as it was only yesterday.
Takes a week to 10 days to be symptomatic.
I expect many will die due to Christmas but not for a few weeks yet. |
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"Sanctimonious no one has the right to judge"
Medical qualifications before you spout and judge as you say others should not judge - don't cast unqualified stones - d'ya think? United we stand, divided we fall, check yourself. |
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"My mum (82) has continued seeing me and her grandchildren almost daily. She is fully aware of the risks but says her life wouldn't be worth living if she couldn't see us.
Well is she?
There is so much disinformation on social media and people assuming COVID only happens to other people perhaps they thought they were immune.
Others are saying well my elderly relatives would rather die than not see their family.
My elderly relatives are ex GPs and NHS staff. They have no wish to die by being slowly suffocated fighting for every breath because that's how you go, so have told me and my siblings to eff off and don't dare come round.
Yes its difficult but they have no wish to die on their own unable to breath. Perhaps that might cause some of those above to reconsider the "fighting" talk.....
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its a personal decision for each person to make ... her mothers decision doesn’t impact your relatives and vice versa , being entirely on your own otherwise can also put a different perspective on it for people |
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"I doubt it’s due to having anyone round for Christmas as it was only yesterday.
Takes a week to 10 days to be symptomatic.
I expect many will die due to Christmas but not for a few weeks yet."
The OP said there was a constant stream of visitors checking in on them, no mention of specifically at xmas. |
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"I doubt it’s due to having anyone round for Christmas as it was only yesterday.
Takes a week to 10 days to be symptomatic.
I expect many will die due to Christmas but not for a few weeks yet.
The OP said there was a constant stream of visitors checking in on them, no mention of specifically at xmas."
the OP was also very heavily laced with comments about spending christmas together being wrong in his opinion |
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"I doubt it’s due to having anyone round for Christmas as it was only yesterday.
Takes a week to 10 days to be symptomatic.
I expect many will die due to Christmas but not for a few weeks yet.
The OP said there was a constant stream of visitors checking in on them, no mention of specifically at xmas."
OP then mentioned about someone who had 13 guests at Xmas so it kind of was a link to Xmas day. I think questioning family is a bit inappropriate. They have been checking on him and Covid can be contracted anywhere, the supermarket, the doctor, the corner shop, the postman etc. |
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"I doubt it’s due to having anyone round for Christmas as it was only yesterday.
Takes a week to 10 days to be symptomatic.
I expect many will die due to Christmas but not for a few weeks yet.
The OP said there was a constant stream of visitors checking in on them, no mention of specifically at xmas.
OP then mentioned about someone who had 13 guests at Xmas so it kind of was a link to Xmas day. I think questioning family is a bit inappropriate. They have been checking on him and Covid can be contracted anywhere, the supermarket, the doctor, the corner shop, the postman etc. "
And?
I think the general point he is making is that after 9 months some are still not taking this seriously. And worse many seem to be denying the severity until is literally in front of your eyes, and even then they want to blame it on skydiving or whatever.... |
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"I doubt it’s due to having anyone round for Christmas as it was only yesterday.
Takes a week to 10 days to be symptomatic.
I expect many will die due to Christmas but not for a few weeks yet.
The OP said there was a constant stream of visitors checking in on them, no mention of specifically at xmas.
OP then mentioned about someone who had 13 guests at Xmas so it kind of was a link to Xmas day. I think questioning family is a bit inappropriate. They have been checking on him and Covid can be contracted anywhere, the supermarket, the doctor, the corner shop, the postman etc.
And?
I think the general point he is making is that after 9 months some are still not taking this seriously. And worse many seem to be denying the severity until is literally in front of your eyes, and even then they want to blame it on skydiving or whatever...."
We are living in challenging times and it’s all very sad and difficult especially for the elderly.
We all know the severity of this pandemic.
I don’t think judging or questioning a family helps! |
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"I doubt it’s due to having anyone round for Christmas as it was only yesterday.
Takes a week to 10 days to be symptomatic.
I expect many will die due to Christmas but not for a few weeks yet.
The OP said there was a constant stream of visitors checking in on them, no mention of specifically at xmas.
OP then mentioned about someone who had 13 guests at Xmas so it kind of was a link to Xmas day. I think questioning family is a bit inappropriate. They have been checking on him and Covid can be contracted anywhere, the supermarket, the doctor, the corner shop, the postman etc.
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I think the general point he is making is that after 9 months some are still not taking this seriously. And worse many seem to be denying the severity until is literally in front of your eyes, and even then they want to blame it on skydiving or whatever....
We are living in challenging times and it’s all very sad and difficult especially for the elderly.
We all know the severity of this pandemic.
I don’t think judging or questioning a family helps! "
I disagree with the statement that we all know the severity of the pandemic.
Many people still calling it a scam, saying it's just a copy of still.
So I think we all have the right to question why people felt the need to ignore government guidelines and visit family knowing that they could be spreading virus still.
Particularly if we have been the ones that have taken the advice and not seen family whilst seeing a neighbour have many guests is not only a slap in the face to others it's damn right stupid. |
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"Boris has over promised and under delivered from the start.
It was all about the optics of not wanting to be known as the prime minister who cancelled christmas.
However the price of that will be seen in the increase (or not) in the number of deaths in the first 2 weeks of January."
“So was it the bad advice that they just didn’t take, and who would of thought... it figured...” sorry just been waiting to get some more lyrics in somewhere... |
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"Love this Christmas. Best one ever. I hope I never have to go back to the stressful obligations and bullshit traditions that is just consumer trappings. I spent my Christmas with my new husband and that was it. X"
Couldn't agree more. |
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Here's another slant on the story:
Maybe the sheepishness was in fact nervous apprehension that they might actually have been in the process of catching it, not spreading it. Watch this space in 14 days' time... |
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"Here's another slant on the story:
Maybe the sheepishness was in fact nervous apprehension that they might actually have been in the process of catching it, not spreading it. Watch this space in 14 days' time..."
Good point |
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By *ook OP Man
over a year ago
london |
I’m sorry to post an unhappy ending on this the last day of a terrible year. I sit here writing a card for my neighbours widow and family as he’s very sadly died of COVID related complications. He was an old man who was absolutely lovely and I’m sorry for his wife and children. This post was never about blame or shame just about how this terrible thing can spread by loved ones whom might not even know they are passing it on especially to the elderly. I’m so sad to take my flowers and card and leave on the doorstep tonite. No words or happy new year wishes apart from the hope that each an everyone stays safe and well. God bless to a lovely soul and deepest sympathy to his family. |
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"I’m sorry to post an unhappy ending on this the last day of a terrible year. I sit here writing a card for my neighbours widow and family as he’s very sadly died of COVID related complications. He was an old man who was absolutely lovely and I’m sorry for his wife and children. This post was never about blame or shame just about how this terrible thing can spread by loved ones whom might not even know they are passing it on especially to the elderly. I’m so sad to take my flowers and card and leave on the doorstep tonite. No words or happy new year wishes apart from the hope that each an everyone stays safe and well. God bless to a lovely soul and deepest sympathy to his family. "
Very very sad ending.
However if you read back your original posting blame and shame was insinuated.
My 80 year old neighbour who I supported through lockdown would not allow anyone or family to step inside her gate. I would ring her for a list of shopping and leave it outside the gate. It worked well and she was safe. She is still with us because she was in control and kept to the rules. |
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"I’m sorry to post an unhappy ending on this the last day of a terrible year. I sit here writing a card for my neighbours widow and family as he’s very sadly died of COVID related complications. He was an old man who was absolutely lovely and I’m sorry for his wife and children. This post was never about blame or shame just about how this terrible thing can spread by loved ones whom might not even know they are passing it on especially to the elderly. I’m so sad to take my flowers and card and leave on the doorstep tonite. No words or happy new year wishes apart from the hope that each an everyone stays safe and well. God bless to a lovely soul and deepest sympathy to his family.
Very very sad ending.
However if you read back your original posting blame and shame was insinuated.
My 80 year old neighbour who I supported through lockdown would not allow anyone or family to step inside her gate. I would ring her for a list of shopping and leave it outside the gate. It worked well and she was safe. She is still with us because she was in control and kept to the rules. "
Why did you feel the need to say that? He said the original post wasn’t about that and was giving an update on the poor gentleman that has passed away. You have commented on judgement multiple times on this thread, how do you justify your harsh judgement of the OP? |
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"I’m sorry to post an unhappy ending on this the last day of a terrible year. I sit here writing a card for my neighbours widow and family as he’s very sadly died of COVID related complications. He was an old man who was absolutely lovely and I’m sorry for his wife and children. This post was never about blame or shame just about how this terrible thing can spread by loved ones whom might not even know they are passing it on especially to the elderly. I’m so sad to take my flowers and card and leave on the doorstep tonite. No words or happy new year wishes apart from the hope that each an everyone stays safe and well. God bless to a lovely soul and deepest sympathy to his family.
Very very sad ending.
However if you read back your original posting blame and shame was insinuated.
My 80 year old neighbour who I supported through lockdown would not allow anyone or family to step inside her gate. I would ring her for a list of shopping and leave it outside the gate. It worked well and she was safe. She is still with us because she was in control and kept to the rules.
Why did you feel the need to say that? He said the original post wasn’t about that and was giving an update on the poor gentleman that has passed away. You have commented on judgement multiple times on this thread, how do you justify your harsh judgement of the OP? "
I’m not justifying myself. Enjoy the rest of your evening. |
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"I’m sorry to post an unhappy ending on this the last day of a terrible year. I sit here writing a card for my neighbours widow and family as he’s very sadly died of COVID related complications. He was an old man who was absolutely lovely and I’m sorry for his wife and children. This post was never about blame or shame just about how this terrible thing can spread by loved ones whom might not even know they are passing it on especially to the elderly. I’m so sad to take my flowers and card and leave on the doorstep tonite. No words or happy new year wishes apart from the hope that each an everyone stays safe and well. God bless to a lovely soul and deepest sympathy to his family.
Very very sad ending.
However if you read back your original posting blame and shame was insinuated.
My 80 year old neighbour who I supported through lockdown would not allow anyone or family to step inside her gate. I would ring her for a list of shopping and leave it outside the gate. It worked well and she was safe. She is still with us because she was in control and kept to the rules.
Why did you feel the need to say that? He said the original post wasn’t about that and was giving an update on the poor gentleman that has passed away. You have commented on judgement multiple times on this thread, how do you justify your harsh judgement of the OP?
I’m not justifying myself. Enjoy the rest of your evening. "
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"I've got £50 says if one of them had passed them a cold and that led to pneumonia you wouldn't of[sic] posted anything about that.
Maybe it is seriously time to start thinking a bit harder about the vulnerability of the elderly to any infection by visitors.
I bet (maybe not £50) that the general new awareness about virus transmission has spared quite a few extra people from previously inevitable winter bugs."
As it happens, nobody will ever know |
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Doesn't sound like this had anything to do with Christmas and rules being relaxed. This virus gets to your lungs about a week after symptoms start. Symptoms don't start as soon as you catch it either, it can take over a week. So these people will have caught it quite some time before the easing of guidelines over Christmas. And they could have caught it in the supermarket.
Just hope your neighbours will be ok. And stop staring out the window to see who's visiting when, it's none of your business   x |
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"I think we are going to find that the obsession with family (and others) needing to be together at Christmas is going to cost all of us dearly and I anticipate a massive "Was Boris right?" movement if it does, indeed, backfire on us.
Was Boris right about what? "
What has he ever been right about? |
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