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"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S" No, you’re right... there’s been a million people misquote stats or present them against total population in order to try to suggest an insignificance. I don’t get why they do it to be honest | |||
"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S" Population of UK approx 70m hence 70,000 deaths is c. 1% of the population. Bear in mind that the death stats include everyone who's died within 28 days of a positive test regardless of what other conditions they were suffering from. We only know how many people have been tested positive, including any false positives. We have no idea how many people in the UK have had Covid and survived, quite possibly not even knowing they've had it. | |||
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"We also don’t know how many people died of covid more than 28 days after a positive test. You also neglect to mention the likelihood of false negative tests and cherrypicked the fact that there may also be false positives. " Cherrypicking? Interesting what you conclude from my post when you know nothing about me. Whichever figures you believe form around the globe, they're all only estimates and I'm going to wait and see before I come to any conclusion. Suggest you do likewise. | |||
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"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S Population of UK approx 70m hence 70,000 deaths is c. 1% of the population. Bear in mind that the death stats include everyone who's died within 28 days of a positive test regardless of what other conditions they were suffering from. We only know how many people have been tested positive, including any false positives. We have no idea how many people in the UK have had Covid and survived, quite possibly not even knowing they've had it." Not to be pedantic but 70,000 out of 70m is 0.1% or 1 person in a 1000. As you have said that includes everyone who has tested positive and died within 28 days. This figure includes people who have died from other cause as well as excluding people who have died without a positive test. You are correct that from the number of confirmed cases the ‘death rate’ is 3(ish)%. | |||
"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S Population of UK approx 70m hence 70,000 deaths is c. 1% of the population. Bear in mind that the death stats include everyone who's died within 28 days of a positive test regardless of what other conditions they were suffering from. We only know how many people have been tested positive, including any false positives. We have no idea how many people in the UK have had Covid and survived, quite possibly not even knowing they've had it." Oh dear your maths is poor. 1% of 70m is 700000! | |||
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"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. " This is completely untrue. | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue." I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E | |||
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"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E" I always wonder why they would believe such baseless nonsense and chose to deny overwhelming evidence, statistics (granted we can see most don't understand) and science. I think there must be some sort of psychological phenomenon... I'd suggest linked to education. Schools should put more emphasis on actually research skills and critical analysis (not to be confused with Facebook "research"). | |||
"Tried to repost the video on twitter and Facebook but took down and saying going to close my accounts, it's government data do some research or stay in your happy place. Wake up people before it's to late. Find it on earth united wed page. " And as if by magic  "wake up people" a man on a sex website found the true  | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. " What a total idiot you are ! | |||
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"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. " Tbh With all these stories unless I asked for the information myself & get a response directly I don’t believe it. This goes for the Gov & the conspiracy theorists. None of the conspiracy guys & girls have come up with a more plausible scenario than my one & that isn’t even a conspiracy. S | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. " I'd not get scientific data from a public freedom of information request but from credible published scientific reputable journals that include peer reviewed evidential data. Then, make of that what you will. | |||
"Tried to repost the video on twitter and Facebook but took down and saying going to close my accounts, it's government data do some research or stay in your happy place. Wake up people before it's to late. Find it on earth united wed page. " Do you have a flag next to your name on Twitter and a KBF hashtag too? | |||
"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S" Death is not the major problem get real | |||
"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S" I assume one is the infection fatality rate the one you quote is the case fatality rate. | |||
"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? SDeath is not the major problem get real" I think you'll find death is a major problem | |||
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"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. " That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. " Peer-reviewed, not 'eer' | |||
"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S " 0.03 is 3% 70,000 in 2,200,000 is 3.18% I need more wine! | |||
"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S" Those figures are roughly in concordance with every informed estimate made since the pandemic started. I'm not going to scour the old records, but my recollection is that early counts from Asia were coming out at 3.5%, then early figures from Europe were about 1%. Today's numbers for the USA are 19,208,098 cases and 338,263 deaths = 1.76% For the UK, it is 2,221,312 cases with 70,195 deaths = 3.16% The _true_ fatality rate? Every country does the counting differently, every population has slightly different genetic balance, different diet, different climate. So I don't believe in a single definitive answer. What does seem to be certain though, is that for every 1 million with positive tests, there will be somewhere between 10 thousand and 40 thousand who will die. Yesterday there were 32,725 confirmed new cases in the United Kingdom. It is certain that at least 327 of these will die, but could be up to 1308. Merry Christmas everybody, please stay safe and avoid being part of tomorrows statistics. Polly xx | |||
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"1 death is too many" It is. When it was a preventable death. | |||
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"I'm not saying either way but ask ANY government if they have a sample of Covid 19 When I say government, I mean in any research establishment anywhere under their control. All governments are required under the relevant freedom of information acts to comply with the request. Please post ANY government that says that they have. Please also ask the WHO " 
Complete nonsense. Literally EVERY government has this information
What younare referring to are nonsense FOI requests:
"...which asked the UK health department for records that showed SARS-CoV-2 had been isolated “from a symptomatic patient of COVID-19 where the sample was not first combined with any other source of genetic material”. (video mark 2min 50secs)
Dr Wiles said that was not possible – describing the request as “a problem of definitions”.
“Viruses are basically inanimate objects which need a culture to activate in. But the way they are phrasing the requests is that the sample must be completely unadulterated and not be grown in any culture – and you can’t do that,” she told AAP FactCheck in a phone interview.
“You can’t isolate a virus without using a cell culture, so by using their definition it hasn’t been isolated. But it has been isolated and cultivated using a cell culture multiple times all around the world.”
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"I'm not saying either way but ask ANY government if they have a sample of Covid 19 When I say government, I mean in any research establishment anywhere under their control. All governments are required under the relevant freedom of information acts to comply with the request. Please post ANY government that says that they have. Please also ask the WHO
Complete nonsense. Literally EVERY government has this information
What younare referring to are nonsense FOI requests:
"...which asked the UK health department for records that showed SARS-CoV-2 had been isolated “from a symptomatic patient of COVID-19 where the sample was not first combined with any other source of genetic material”. (video mark 2min 50secs)
Dr Wiles said that was not possible – describing the request as “a problem of definitions”.
“Viruses are basically inanimate objects which need a culture to activate in. But the way they are phrasing the requests is that the sample must be completely unadulterated and not be grown in any culture – and you can’t do that,” she told AAP FactCheck in a phone interview.
“You can’t isolate a virus without using a cell culture, so by using their definition it hasn’t been isolated. But it has been isolated and cultivated using a cell culture multiple times all around the world.”
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That's the problem with people asking the wrong questions, or seeking information in the wrong places.
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"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/10/jon-rappoport/the-smoking-gun-where-is-the-coronavirus-the-cdc-says-it-isnt-available/" Because maybe you don't understand what you're copying and pasting | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/10/jon-rappoport/the-smoking-gun-where-is-the-coronavirus-the-cdc-says-it-isnt-available/" Again... no the haven't. When government organisations publish statements, they do it on THEIR OWN websites, not on other people's renowned fake news sites. | |||
"It could be 10% and it's still not worth the lives saving People die. Quicker people realise that only "jesus saves lives" and start living their own the better." Show me your proof that Jesus exists ? | |||
"It could be 10% and it's still not worth the lives saving People die. Quicker people realise that only "jesus saves lives" and start living their own the better. Show me your proof that Jesus exists ? " Inverted commas and lower case j. It seems you take him(Him) more seriously than me. That's proof enough for me. | |||
"It could be 10% and it's still not worth the lives saving People die. Quicker people realise that only "jesus saves lives" and start living their own the better." I assume that you are now taking no further medical or using prophylactic treatments?  | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. " Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E | |||
"It could be 10% and it's still not worth the lives saving People die. Quicker people realise that only "jesus saves lives" and start living their own the better." He didn't do very well at saving his own life did he? | |||
"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? SDeath is not the major problem get real" It is if you want to live. | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. What a total idiot you are ! "
Unbelievable some people just want to put their head in the sand I suppose and pretend that it doesn't exist.
Not sure what they think has made half the people I know ill and killed a previously pretty fit colleague? | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E" Some of it is from unaware individuals, whilst other elements are malicious. The posting of a steady stream of BS here is sourced and prompted by those who don't care about the wellbeing of others. These facile freedom of information requests, for example, are not driven by a search for scientific knowledge and understanding but are purposefully crafted to seed division. Using artfully worded phrases they have the pretence of legitimcy, to captivate the ignorant so that they fuel the flames of malcontent. Seemingly innocuous questions are apparently posed, so that the gullible are captivated, to fester in their stupid ignorance. It is tragic that so many don't possess much rational thinking ability and proudly proclaim it. It's good that more social Internet sources are now banning misinformation and legal restraints are being enacted, to punish such atrocious behaviour. | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E Some of it is from unaware individuals, whilst other elements are malicious. The posting of a steady stream of BS here is sourced and prompted by those who don't care about the wellbeing of others. These facile freedom of information requests, for example, are not driven by a search for scientific knowledge and understanding but are purposefully crafted to seed division. Using artfully worded phrases they have the pretence of legitimcy, to captivate the ignorant so that they fuel the flames of malcontent. Seemingly innocuous questions are apparently posed, so that the gullible are captivated, to fester in their stupid ignorance. It is tragic that so many don't possess much rational thinking ability and proudly proclaim it. It's good that more social Internet sources are now banning misinformation and legal restraints are being enacted, to punish such atrocious behaviour. " So. Much. This. I wish Fab would do more to remove the blatantly incorrect posts and outright lies. Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E | |||
"Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E " There are squirrels? Where? I want to see squirrels! You don't get squirrels denying the existence of the pandemic! Squirrels are intelligent | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. " Where the fuck did you read this crap? | |||
"Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E There are squirrels? Where? I want to see squirrels! You don't get squirrels denying the existence of the pandemic! Squirrels are intelligent "They can time travel too, we have them here all day but watch one & blink & it’s gone! See, it must be time travel, I might post something on the net about it 
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"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E" | |||
"Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E There are squirrels? Where? I want to see squirrels! You don't get squirrels denying the existence of the pandemic! Squirrels are intelligent "https://youtu.be/N8lCEJo1y5g
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"I'm not saying either way but ask ANY government if they have a sample of Covid 19 When I say government, I mean in any research establishment anywhere under their control. All governments are required under the relevant freedom of information acts to comply with the request. Please post ANY government that says that they have. Please also ask the WHO
Complete nonsense. Literally EVERY government has this information
What younare referring to are nonsense FOI requests:
"...which asked the UK health department for records that showed SARS-CoV-2 had been isolated “from a symptomatic patient of COVID-19 where the sample was not first combined with any other source of genetic material”. (video mark 2min 50secs)
Dr Wiles said that was not possible – describing the request as “a problem of definitions”.
“Viruses are basically inanimate objects which need a culture to activate in. But the way they are phrasing the requests is that the sample must be completely unadulterated and not be grown in any culture – and you can’t do that,” she told AAP FactCheck in a phone interview.
“You can’t isolate a virus without using a cell culture, so by using their definition it hasn’t been isolated. But it has been isolated and cultivated using a cell culture multiple times all around the world.”
"It's a bit like asking for evidence that a Brussels sprout exists that has not been cultured using water or any other liquid or nutrients or material. It simply wouldn't grow. It's good to challenge things and keep our scientists and govt and corporate leaders on point.... But this primary school level debate is not worthy of attention or time. | |||
"It could be 10% and it's still not worth the lives saving People die. Quicker people realise that only "jesus saves lives" and start living their own the better." We could apply this to interventions for all modern medicine and healthcare. Would save a fortune for the nhs. Think of all those cosmetic procedures that could get done instead of saving lives. Heart attack.... Youre dead, rta... Youre dead... Stabbings.... Youre dead.... The purge coming to your lives in 2021. | |||
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"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S Population of UK approx 70m hence 70,000 deaths is c. 1% of the population. Bear in mind that the death stats include everyone who's died within 28 days of a positive test regardless of what other conditions they were suffering from. We only know how many people have been tested positive, including any false positives. We have no idea how many people in the UK have had Covid and survived, quite possibly not even knowing they've had it." Personally i am far more bothered about the false negatives and that’s a far bigger issue but doesn’t appear to get much press | |||
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"Using the case fatality rate(CFR) gives an inflated percentage when it is claimed that their could be up to 80% asymptomatic cases that are not recorded. " We used to see another set of stats.... Was it imperial? Who would randomly test people and come up with an estimate of the number of people infected in areas / general population. Did they stop doing that? Or because we are testing nearly 500k people a day now anyway just felt it was irrelevant now? | |||
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"Using the case fatality rate(CFR) gives an inflated percentage when it is claimed that their could be up to 80% asymptomatic cases that are not recorded. We used to see another set of stats.... Was it imperial? Who would randomly test people and come up with an estimate of the number of people infected in areas / general population. Did they stop doing that? Or because we are testing nearly 500k people a day now anyway just felt it was irrelevant now? " The Office for National Statistics publishes data : https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19infectionsinthecommunityinengland/december2020#main-points | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E Some of it is from unaware individuals, whilst other elements are malicious. The posting of a steady stream of BS here is sourced and prompted by those who don't care about the wellbeing of others. These facile freedom of information requests, for example, are not driven by a search for scientific knowledge and understanding but are purposefully crafted to seed division. Using artfully worded phrases they have the pretence of legitimcy, to captivate the ignorant so that they fuel the flames of malcontent. Seemingly innocuous questions are apparently posed, so that the gullible are captivated, to fester in their stupid ignorance. It is tragic that so many don't possess much rational thinking ability and proudly proclaim it. It's good that more social Internet sources are now banning misinformation and legal restraints are being enacted, to punish such atrocious behaviour. So. Much. This. I wish Fab would do more to remove the blatantly incorrect posts and outright lies. Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E " Totally agree. I have no idea why the site continues to tolerate these idiots during a pandemic. | |||
"I'm not saying either way but ask ANY government if they have a sample of Covid 19 When I say government, I mean in any research establishment anywhere under their control. All governments are required under the relevant freedom of information acts to comply with the request. Please post ANY government that says that they have. Please also ask the WHO " even if what you thought you were saying was true (personal opinion is dont get your news from facebook or youtube it tends to be sh*te that way) and i play along , the logic still wouldn’t follow that its proof it doesn’t exist it would be like saying the plague didn’t exist because we didn't have a sample in a lab ... pretty sure the folk that died would have disagreed and pretty sure the people i know personally that have gotten ill were not faking symptoms , so lab samples or not there is a pandemic level virus | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E Some of it is from unaware individuals, whilst other elements are malicious. The posting of a steady stream of BS here is sourced and prompted by those who don't care about the wellbeing of others. These facile freedom of information requests, for example, are not driven by a search for scientific knowledge and understanding but are purposefully crafted to seed division. Using artfully worded phrases they have the pretence of legitimcy, to captivate the ignorant so that they fuel the flames of malcontent. Seemingly innocuous questions are apparently posed, so that the gullible are captivated, to fester in their stupid ignorance. It is tragic that so many don't possess much rational thinking ability and proudly proclaim it. It's good that more social Internet sources are now banning misinformation and legal restraints are being enacted, to punish such atrocious behaviour. So. Much. This. I wish Fab would do more to remove the blatantly incorrect posts and outright lies. Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E Totally agree. I have no idea why the site continues to tolerate these idiots during a pandemic." Probably because the tiny proportion of the U.K. population that reads the virus forum on a swingers website is irrelevant to the pandemic. | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E Some of it is from unaware individuals, whilst other elements are malicious. The posting of a steady stream of BS here is sourced and prompted by those who don't care about the wellbeing of others. These facile freedom of information requests, for example, are not driven by a search for scientific knowledge and understanding but are purposefully crafted to seed division. Using artfully worded phrases they have the pretence of legitimcy, to captivate the ignorant so that they fuel the flames of malcontent. Seemingly innocuous questions are apparently posed, so that the gullible are captivated, to fester in their stupid ignorance. It is tragic that so many don't possess much rational thinking ability and proudly proclaim it. It's good that more social Internet sources are now banning misinformation and legal restraints are being enacted, to punish such atrocious behaviour. So. Much. This. I wish Fab would do more to remove the blatantly incorrect posts and outright lies. Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E Totally agree. I have no idea why the site continues to tolerate these idiots during a pandemic. Probably because the tiny proportion of the U.K. population that reads the virus forum on a swingers website is irrelevant to the pandemic." | |||
"1 death is too many" thats an idyllic unrealistic view im all for lockdowns to prevent deaths, but to think every life can or should be saved no matter the cost i cant agree even if that makes me heartless if that was the case alcohol, cars, knives, pills, upstairs windows that open etc etc etc would be banned to remove preventable deaths however no i wouldn’t like to be the person deciding at what number it is too many ... i don’t envy the scientists / govt of those types of moral decisions that then have designed policy | |||
"1 death is too many thats an idyllic unrealistic view im all for lockdowns to prevent deaths, but to think every life can or should be saved no matter the cost i cant agree even if that makes me heartless if that was the case alcohol, cars, knives, pills, upstairs windows that open etc etc etc would be banned to remove preventable deaths however no i wouldn’t like to be the person deciding at what number it is too many ... i don’t envy the scientists / govt of those types of moral decisions that then have designed policy" the danger going forward from this is that quite a number of people believe that one life saved justifies policy. There's an argument to be made to lockdown to prevent flu deaths . If we should lockdown to prevent x number of deaths from covid why not flu too . Where does the line get drawn. A precedent has been set.. | |||
"1 death is too many thats an idyllic unrealistic view im all for lockdowns to prevent deaths, but to think every life can or should be saved no matter the cost i cant agree even if that makes me heartless if that was the case alcohol, cars, knives, pills, upstairs windows that open etc etc etc would be banned to remove preventable deaths however no i wouldn’t like to be the person deciding at what number it is too many ... i don’t envy the scientists / govt of those types of moral decisions that then have designed policythe danger going forward from this is that quite a number of people believe that one life saved justifies policy. There's an argument to be made to lockdown to prevent flu deaths . If we should lockdown to prevent x number of deaths from covid why not flu too . Where does the line get drawn. A precedent has been set.. " i think the difference with flu is its a well known and researched virus, we know its “season” and can prepare, we know roughly how long it lasts, the after effects for survivors, how contagious it is, we have vaccines available to reduce the impact covid was a brand new virus, we had none of those answers when it kicked off, are still learning some of them now and no govt or research facility in the world knew what would happen if we just let it run rampant so we had to find a way to stop it and we would again with any new virus i dont expect this lockdown pattern to continue in perpetuity, id assume it stops once the vaccine is more widely distributed and we understand more about the virus after effects/ treatments and pattern of mutations | |||
"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S Population of UK approx 70m hence 70,000 deaths is c. 1% of the population. Bear in mind that the death stats include everyone who's died within 28 days of a positive test regardless of what other conditions they were suffering from. We only know how many people have been tested positive, including any false positives. We have no idea how many people in the UK have had Covid and survived, quite possibly not even knowing they've had it." "....Population of UK approx 70m hence 70,000 deaths is c. 1% of the population...." ---------------------------------- Only thing is, you can't calculate the mortality rate by comparing the number of deaths versus the total UK population. That assumes that the whole population is infected; and that's not the case. To get the mortality %, you need to calculate the number of people infected versus the number of people who have died after being infected. The problem is we don't have the precise number of people infected, nor the exact number of deaths. We have the number of cases at 2,221,312. However that does not include Asymptomatic cases and people who have had it but have not had a positive test. We also have the death toll at 70,195 But: 1.) That does not include those who have died *after* 28 days of testing positive 2.) It also does not include those who have died of covid *before* we started testing in March / April this year. 3.) It also does not include some who may have died in the community but did not have a positive test prior to death. So without the precise number of infected cases and precise number of deaths, any calculations are just based on estimates. Also the 99% survival rate is misleading, because some people who don’t die from the virus never actually make a full recovery. Hence why some countries record their 'Recovered Cases' as N/A | |||
"1 death is too many thats an idyllic unrealistic view im all for lockdowns to prevent deaths, but to think every life can or should be saved no matter the cost i cant agree even if that makes me heartless if that was the case alcohol, cars, knives, pills, upstairs windows that open etc etc etc would be banned to remove preventable deaths however no i wouldn’t like to be the person deciding at what number it is too many ... i don’t envy the scientists / govt of those types of moral decisions that then have designed policythe danger going forward from this is that quite a number of people believe that one life saved justifies policy. There's an argument to be made to lockdown to prevent flu deaths . If we should lockdown to prevent x number of deaths from covid why not flu too . Where does the line get drawn. A precedent has been set.. " Flu deaths last winter were below 400. We get more deaths than that in 1 day from covid-19. We have very good flu vaccines and strategies to prevent and treat it. We could have even greater increases to flu vaccine takeup than we've seen this year. The techniques used to reduce Sars-Cov-2 infections this winter are likely to reduce flu infections in places like care homes and amongst some of the vulnerable population and we don't have to stop doing them in future. The spring lockdown was very effective at reducing infection levels, on top of the lighter earlier restrictions. It prevented the higher levels of infection that were predicted and obviously had a compound benefit that we still have today. | |||
"1 death is too many thats an idyllic unrealistic view im all for lockdowns to prevent deaths, but to think every life can or should be saved no matter the cost i cant agree even if that makes me heartless if that was the case alcohol, cars, knives, pills, upstairs windows that open etc etc etc would be banned to remove preventable deaths however no i wouldn’t like to be the person deciding at what number it is too many ... i don’t envy the scientists / govt of those types of moral decisions that then have designed policythe danger going forward from this is that quite a number of people believe that one life saved justifies policy. There's an argument to be made to lockdown to prevent flu deaths . If we should lockdown to prevent x number of deaths from covid why not flu too . Where does the line get drawn. A precedent has been set.. i think the difference with flu is its a well known and researched virus, we know its “season” and can prepare, we know roughly how long it lasts, the after effects for survivors, how contagious it is, we have vaccines available to reduce the impact covid was a brand new virus, we had none of those answers when it kicked off, are still learning some of them now and no govt or research facility in the world knew what would happen if we just let it run rampant so we had to find a way to stop it and we would again with any new virus i dont expect this lockdown pattern to continue in perpetuity, id assume it stops once the vaccine is more widely distributed and we understand more about the virus after effects/ treatments and pattern of mutations " i realise that covid was new and all the unknowns etc ....lockdown is also a new phenomenon too. We have becoms a very risk averse society in recent years and i fear calls for lockdown will keep happening. No actual end game has been mentioned yet , in fact straight after the vacinne roll out started new lockdowns where anounced. I wouldn't assume anything regarding lockdowns ending. | |||
"1 death is too many thats an idyllic unrealistic view im all for lockdowns to prevent deaths, but to think every life can or should be saved no matter the cost i cant agree even if that makes me heartless if that was the case alcohol, cars, knives, pills, upstairs windows that open etc etc etc would be banned to remove preventable deaths however no i wouldn’t like to be the person deciding at what number it is too many ... i don’t envy the scientists / govt of those types of moral decisions that then have designed policythe danger going forward from this is that quite a number of people believe that one life saved justifies policy. There's an argument to be made to lockdown to prevent flu deaths . If we should lockdown to prevent x number of deaths from covid why not flu too . Where does the line get drawn. A precedent has been set.. i think the difference with flu is its a well known and researched virus, we know its “season” and can prepare, we know roughly how long it lasts, the after effects for survivors, how contagious it is, we have vaccines available to reduce the impact covid was a brand new virus, we had none of those answers when it kicked off, are still learning some of them now and no govt or research facility in the world knew what would happen if we just let it run rampant so we had to find a way to stop it and we would again with any new virus i dont expect this lockdown pattern to continue in perpetuity, id assume it stops once the vaccine is more widely distributed and we understand more about the virus after effects/ treatments and pattern of mutations i realise that covid was new and all the unknowns etc ....lockdown is also a new phenomenon too. We have becoms a very risk averse society in recent years and i fear calls for lockdown will keep happening. No actual end game has been mentioned yet , in fact straight after the vacinne roll out started new lockdowns where anounced. I wouldn't assume anything regarding lockdowns ending." That I do agree with... This govt (indeed who too) strategy does have a bit of a nissen hut feel to it. Having said that... I'm not sure we the public have visibility of govt strategy are nor should we. But almost a year into this and doesn't look like any version of normality will return soon. | |||
"1 death is too many thats an idyllic unrealistic view im all for lockdowns to prevent deaths, but to think every life can or should be saved no matter the cost i cant agree even if that makes me heartless if that was the case alcohol, cars, knives, pills, upstairs windows that open etc etc etc would be banned to remove preventable deaths however no i wouldn’t like to be the person deciding at what number it is too many ... i don’t envy the scientists / govt of those types of moral decisions that then have designed policythe danger going forward from this is that quite a number of people believe that one life saved justifies policy. There's an argument to be made to lockdown to prevent flu deaths . If we should lockdown to prevent x number of deaths from covid why not flu too . Where does the line get drawn. A precedent has been set.. i think the difference with flu is its a well known and researched virus, we know its “season” and can prepare, we know roughly how long it lasts, the after effects for survivors, how contagious it is, we have vaccines available to reduce the impact covid was a brand new virus, we had none of those answers when it kicked off, are still learning some of them now and no govt or research facility in the world knew what would happen if we just let it run rampant so we had to find a way to stop it and we would again with any new virus i dont expect this lockdown pattern to continue in perpetuity, id assume it stops once the vaccine is more widely distributed and we understand more about the virus after effects/ treatments and pattern of mutations i realise that covid was new and all the unknowns etc ....lockdown is also a new phenomenon too. We have becoms a very risk averse society in recent years and i fear calls for lockdown will keep happening. No actual end game has been mentioned yet , in fact straight after the vacinne roll out started new lockdowns where anounced. I wouldn't assume anything regarding lockdowns ending." and yet you are assuming you can attribute current policy to future policy not much point celebrating a vaccine rollout STARTING by letting everyone mix and the first target audience for it getting sick and dying a couple of hundred thousand folk being vaccinated and the majority of the country being vaccinated are very different positions to be in ... its only natural to expect the public and expert opinions of the requirements for lockdowns will also change in line with this | |||
"1 death is too many thats an idyllic unrealistic view im all for lockdowns to prevent deaths, but to think every life can or should be saved no matter the cost i cant agree even if that makes me heartless if that was the case alcohol, cars, knives, pills, upstairs windows that open etc etc etc would be banned to remove preventable deaths however no i wouldn’t like to be the person deciding at what number it is too many ... i don’t envy the scientists / govt of those types of moral decisions that then have designed policythe danger going forward from this is that quite a number of people believe that one life saved justifies policy. There's an argument to be made to lockdown to prevent flu deaths . If we should lockdown to prevent x number of deaths from covid why not flu too . Where does the line get drawn. A precedent has been set.. i think the difference with flu is its a well known and researched virus, we know its “season” and can prepare, we know roughly how long it lasts, the after effects for survivors, how contagious it is, we have vaccines available to reduce the impact covid was a brand new virus, we had none of those answers when it kicked off, are still learning some of them now and no govt or research facility in the world knew what would happen if we just let it run rampant so we had to find a way to stop it and we would again with any new virus i dont expect this lockdown pattern to continue in perpetuity, id assume it stops once the vaccine is more widely distributed and we understand more about the virus after effects/ treatments and pattern of mutations i realise that covid was new and all the unknowns etc ....lockdown is also a new phenomenon too. We have becoms a very risk averse society in recent years and i fear calls for lockdown will keep happening. No actual end game has been mentioned yet , in fact straight after the vacinne roll out started new lockdowns where anounced. I wouldn't assume anything regarding lockdowns ending. and yet you are assuming you can attribute current policy to future policy not much point celebrating a vaccine rollout STARTING by letting everyone mix and the first target audience for it getting sick and dying a couple of hundred thousand folk being vaccinated and the majority of the country being vaccinated are very different positions to be in ... its only natural to expect the public and expert opinions of the requirements for lockdowns will also change in line with this " I never said people should start mixing .. but tougher lockdowns where anounced due to a " mutant " strain. Now the original covid strain isnt circulating now because it has mutated several times and will continue to do so .. partially and perversely due to lockdowns .. There is a continuous call for lockdown.. this was the point. | |||
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"It could be 10% and it's still not worth the lives saving People die. Quicker people realise that only "jesus saves lives" and start living their own the better. I assume that you are now taking no further medical or using prophylactic treatments? "Assume whatever you like. You're a complete irrelevance. | |||
"we only know there is a “mutant strain” as you call it (its continually mutating) which is more contagious because of the continual testing of people and monitoring of samples happening just now. it showed us this strain barely existed a few months ago and the current numbers suggest it is spreading quicker ... we don’t know yet if its more dangerous and its the unknown thats caused precautionary stricter lockdown once people are vaccinated there wont be the same requirement for ongoing testing monitoring and urgent decision making without all the facts also vaccination only really works in its intended purpose once most people have been given it, so having an approved vaccine didn’t give us the protection yet (the media announced it like getting it approved meant it was all over and it gave people this false sense of immediate security which is why many are disappointed that restrictions then got tighter), we have a long way to go get everyone vaccinated, and at that point we can look at taking lockdowns out of our list of preferred options it feels like continual lockdown because we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can provide us an alternative strategy " It was called "mutant" in the press. It resulted in the latest lockdown. There's another thread on here that mentions all the different strains. The latest lockdown is because they don't know too much about this latest strain. And they won't know anything about the next either .. so another lockdown.. the vacinne may not work on the newer strains .. more lockdowns.. It will take a year or two to inoculate the country. Time will tell but i can see most of 2021 being under lockdown | |||
"we only know there is a “mutant strain” as you call it (its continually mutating) which is more contagious because of the continual testing of people and monitoring of samples happening just now. it showed us this strain barely existed a few months ago and the current numbers suggest it is spreading quicker ... we don’t know yet if its more dangerous and its the unknown thats caused precautionary stricter lockdown once people are vaccinated there wont be the same requirement for ongoing testing monitoring and urgent decision making without all the facts also vaccination only really works in its intended purpose once most people have been given it, so having an approved vaccine didn’t give us the protection yet (the media announced it like getting it approved meant it was all over and it gave people this false sense of immediate security which is why many are disappointed that restrictions then got tighter), we have a long way to go get everyone vaccinated, and at that point we can look at taking lockdowns out of our list of preferred options it feels like continual lockdown because we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can provide us an alternative strategy It was called "mutant" in the press. It resulted in the latest lockdown. There's another thread on here that mentions all the different strains. The latest lockdown is because they don't know too much about this latest strain. And they won't know anything about the next either .. so another lockdown.. the vacinne may not work on the newer strains .. more lockdowns.. It will take a year or two to inoculate the country. Time will tell but i can see most of 2021 being under lockdown " I’ll be the first in this family to get it but as i’m in the eighth group in the priority list so i’m expecting a call in 2022 if I’m lucky tbh. S | |||
"we only know there is a “mutant strain” as you call it (its continually mutating) which is more contagious because of the continual testing of people and monitoring of samples happening just now. it showed us this strain barely existed a few months ago and the current numbers suggest it is spreading quicker ... we don’t know yet if its more dangerous and its the unknown thats caused precautionary stricter lockdown once people are vaccinated there wont be the same requirement for ongoing testing monitoring and urgent decision making without all the facts also vaccination only really works in its intended purpose once most people have been given it, so having an approved vaccine didn’t give us the protection yet (the media announced it like getting it approved meant it was all over and it gave people this false sense of immediate security which is why many are disappointed that restrictions then got tighter), we have a long way to go get everyone vaccinated, and at that point we can look at taking lockdowns out of our list of preferred options it feels like continual lockdown because we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can provide us an alternative strategy It was called "mutant" in the press. It resulted in the latest lockdown. There's another thread on here that mentions all the different strains. The latest lockdown is because they don't know too much about this latest strain. And they won't know anything about the next either .. so another lockdown.. the vacinne may not work on the newer strains .. more lockdowns.. It will take a year or two to inoculate the country. Time will tell but i can see most of 2021 being under lockdown " funny that because i am lowest risk category and the online vaccine estimator says my window will be june -september so that doesn’t seem like 2 years i know we can’t be too gung ho about things getting back to normal but i dont think the perpetual doom and gloom worst case view is helpful for anyone either | |||
"we only know there is a “mutant strain” as you call it (its continually mutating) which is more contagious because of the continual testing of people and monitoring of samples happening just now. it showed us this strain barely existed a few months ago and the current numbers suggest it is spreading quicker ... we don’t know yet if its more dangerous and its the unknown thats caused precautionary stricter lockdown once people are vaccinated there wont be the same requirement for ongoing testing monitoring and urgent decision making without all the facts also vaccination only really works in its intended purpose once most people have been given it, so having an approved vaccine didn’t give us the protection yet (the media announced it like getting it approved meant it was all over and it gave people this false sense of immediate security which is why many are disappointed that restrictions then got tighter), we have a long way to go get everyone vaccinated, and at that point we can look at taking lockdowns out of our list of preferred options it feels like continual lockdown because we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can provide us an alternative strategy It was called "mutant" in the press. It resulted in the latest lockdown. There's another thread on here that mentions all the different strains. The latest lockdown is because they don't know too much about this latest strain. And they won't know anything about the next either .. so another lockdown.. the vacinne may not work on the newer strains .. more lockdowns.. It will take a year or two to inoculate the country. Time will tell but i can see most of 2021 being under lockdown funny that because i am lowest risk category and the online vaccine estimator says my window will be june -september so that doesn’t seem like 2 years i know we can’t be too gung ho about things getting back to normal but i dont think the perpetual doom and gloom worst case view is helpful for anyone either " That 2 million people vaccinated a week ? You think that is possible ? | |||
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"we only know there is a “mutant strain” as you call it (its continually mutating) which is more contagious because of the continual testing of people and monitoring of samples happening just now. it showed us this strain barely existed a few months ago and the current numbers suggest it is spreading quicker ... we don’t know yet if its more dangerous and its the unknown thats caused precautionary stricter lockdown once people are vaccinated there wont be the same requirement for ongoing testing monitoring and urgent decision making without all the facts also vaccination only really works in its intended purpose once most people have been given it, so having an approved vaccine didn’t give us the protection yet (the media announced it like getting it approved meant it was all over and it gave people this false sense of immediate security which is why many are disappointed that restrictions then got tighter), we have a long way to go get everyone vaccinated, and at that point we can look at taking lockdowns out of our list of preferred options it feels like continual lockdown because we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can provide us an alternative strategy It was called "mutant" in the press. It resulted in the latest lockdown. There's another thread on here that mentions all the different strains. The latest lockdown is because they don't know too much about this latest strain. And they won't know anything about the next either .. so another lockdown.. the vacinne may not work on the newer strains .. more lockdowns.. It will take a year or two to inoculate the country. Time will tell but i can see most of 2021 being under lockdown " What I found interesting is how so many used this 'new' mutation to lever arguments over lockdowns and how they don't work, or how badly the government is handling the pandemic etc etc. What few seem to recognise is the UK were the ones who found it. That didn't mean it started here. I suggested back then that it could easily have come across from the mainland, seeing as it was in Kent where it was first found. That was laughed at by many. Now we hear it it was in France and Spain before it was found here, but they never knew. Logic should say to people maybe our testing is better than most as we picked it up when others haven't, rather than concluding it started here. Macron spat the dummy out prematurely. The good thing about all this is testing is being done now for those crisscrossing the boarders here. This can only be a good thing in the long run and any famines that it will cause as a result of hold ups will soon pass, quicker than covid will. | |||
"It could be 10% and it's still not worth the lives saving People die. Quicker people realise that only "jesus saves lives" and start living their own the better." OK so by that logic we have no health care whatsoever. | |||
"we only know there is a “mutant strain” as you call it (its continually mutating) which is more contagious because of the continual testing of people and monitoring of samples happening just now. it showed us this strain barely existed a few months ago and the current numbers suggest it is spreading quicker ... we don’t know yet if its more dangerous and its the unknown thats caused precautionary stricter lockdown once people are vaccinated there wont be the same requirement for ongoing testing monitoring and urgent decision making without all the facts also vaccination only really works in its intended purpose once most people have been given it, so having an approved vaccine didn’t give us the protection yet (the media announced it like getting it approved meant it was all over and it gave people this false sense of immediate security which is why many are disappointed that restrictions then got tighter), we have a long way to go get everyone vaccinated, and at that point we can look at taking lockdowns out of our list of preferred options it feels like continual lockdown because we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can provide us an alternative strategy It was called "mutant" in the press. It resulted in the latest lockdown. There's another thread on here that mentions all the different strains. The latest lockdown is because they don't know too much about this latest strain. And they won't know anything about the next either .. so another lockdown.. the vacinne may not work on the newer strains .. more lockdowns.. It will take a year or two to inoculate the country. Time will tell but i can see most of 2021 being under lockdown What I found interesting is how so many used this 'new' mutation to lever arguments over lockdowns and how they don't work, or how badly the government is handling the pandemic etc etc. What few seem to recognise is the UK were the ones who found it. That didn't mean it started here. I suggested back then that it could easily have come across from the mainland, seeing as it was in Kent where it was first found. That was laughed at by many. Now we hear it it was in France and Spain before it was found here, but they never knew. Logic should say to people maybe our testing is better than most as we picked it up when others haven't, rather than concluding it started here. Macron spat the dummy out prematurely. The good thing about all this is testing is being done now for those crisscrossing the boarders here. This can only be a good thing in the long run and any famines that it will cause as a result of hold ups will soon pass, quicker than covid will." Its been politicised from the beginning.. hence this blaming of the uk for it from within and outside of the UK. The constant comparisons which are open to interpretation .. There was an article in the guardian which lasted a day that blamed the torys for creating the conditions for this latest strain. | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E Some of it is from unaware individuals, whilst other elements are malicious. The posting of a steady stream of BS here is sourced and prompted by those who don't care about the wellbeing of others. These facile freedom of information requests, for example, are not driven by a search for scientific knowledge and understanding but are purposefully crafted to seed division. Using artfully worded phrases they have the pretence of legitimcy, to captivate the ignorant so that they fuel the flames of malcontent. Seemingly innocuous questions are apparently posed, so that the gullible are captivated, to fester in their stupid ignorance. It is tragic that so many don't possess much rational thinking ability and proudly proclaim it. It's good that more social Internet sources are now banning misinformation and legal restraints are being enacted, to punish such atrocious behaviour. So. Much. This. I wish Fab would do more to remove the blatantly incorrect posts and outright lies. Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E Totally agree. I have no idea why the site continues to tolerate these idiots during a pandemic. Probably because the tiny proportion of the U.K. population that reads the virus forum on a swingers website is irrelevant to the pandemic." It is relevant to those who contribute to the virus forum though, yes? Notwithstanding Fab forums can be viewed without being a member or by logging in. E | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E Some of it is from unaware individuals, whilst other elements are malicious. The posting of a steady stream of BS here is sourced and prompted by those who don't care about the wellbeing of others. These facile freedom of information requests, for example, are not driven by a search for scientific knowledge and understanding but are purposefully crafted to seed division. Using artfully worded phrases they have the pretence of legitimcy, to captivate the ignorant so that they fuel the flames of malcontent. Seemingly innocuous questions are apparently posed, so that the gullible are captivated, to fester in their stupid ignorance. It is tragic that so many don't possess much rational thinking ability and proudly proclaim it. It's good that more social Internet sources are now banning misinformation and legal restraints are being enacted, to punish such atrocious behaviour. So. Much. This. I wish Fab would do more to remove the blatantly incorrect posts and outright lies. Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E Totally agree. I have no idea why the site continues to tolerate these idiots during a pandemic. Probably because the tiny proportion of the U.K. population that reads the virus forum on a swingers website is irrelevant to the pandemic. It is relevant to those who contribute to the virus forum though, yes? Notwithstanding Fab forums can be viewed without being a member or by logging in. E " Anything that is dangerous would be better prohibited, than persisting and helping to foment ill health and distress. Links would be better restricted in this section to medical journals or large media companies. Someone posted a link to a guys blog further up, who's not in any way accredited by anything. YouTube type video links would be better only as permitted to national health departments, providing official guidance. | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E Some of it is from unaware individuals, whilst other elements are malicious. The posting of a steady stream of BS here is sourced and prompted by those who don't care about the wellbeing of others. These facile freedom of information requests, for example, are not driven by a search for scientific knowledge and understanding but are purposefully crafted to seed division. Using artfully worded phrases they have the pretence of legitimcy, to captivate the ignorant so that they fuel the flames of malcontent. Seemingly innocuous questions are apparently posed, so that the gullible are captivated, to fester in their stupid ignorance. It is tragic that so many don't possess much rational thinking ability and proudly proclaim it. It's good that more social Internet sources are now banning misinformation and legal restraints are being enacted, to punish such atrocious behaviour. So. Much. This. I wish Fab would do more to remove the blatantly incorrect posts and outright lies. Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E Totally agree. I have no idea why the site continues to tolerate these idiots during a pandemic. Probably because the tiny proportion of the U.K. population that reads the virus forum on a swingers website is irrelevant to the pandemic. It is relevant to those who contribute to the virus forum though, yes? Notwithstanding Fab forums can be viewed without being a member or by logging in. E Anything that is dangerous would be better prohibited, than persisting and helping to foment ill health and distress. Links would be better restricted in this section to medical journals or large media companies. Someone posted a link to a guys blog further up, who's not in any way accredited by anything. YouTube type video links would be better only as permitted to national health departments, providing official guidance. " Let's get some real science on the Forum, not half baked, half arsed links (And "FACTS") that don't give credible information. E | |||
"It could be 10% and it's still not worth the lives saving People die. Quicker people realise that only "jesus saves lives" and start living their own the better." Not sure what Jesus would make of this site | |||
"It could be 10% and it's still not worth the lives saving People die. Quicker people realise that only "jesus saves lives" and start living their own the better. Not sure what Jesus would make of this site "He's not the messiah... He's a very naughty boy | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E Some of it is from unaware individuals, whilst other elements are malicious. The posting of a steady stream of BS here is sourced and prompted by those who don't care about the wellbeing of others. These facile freedom of information requests, for example, are not driven by a search for scientific knowledge and understanding but are purposefully crafted to seed division. Using artfully worded phrases they have the pretence of legitimcy, to captivate the ignorant so that they fuel the flames of malcontent. Seemingly innocuous questions are apparently posed, so that the gullible are captivated, to fester in their stupid ignorance. It is tragic that so many don't possess much rational thinking ability and proudly proclaim it. It's good that more social Internet sources are now banning misinformation and legal restraints are being enacted, to punish such atrocious behaviour. So. Much. This. I wish Fab would do more to remove the blatantly incorrect posts and outright lies. Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E Totally agree. I have no idea why the site continues to tolerate these idiots during a pandemic. Probably because the tiny proportion of the U.K. population that reads the virus forum on a swingers website is irrelevant to the pandemic. It is relevant to those who contribute to the virus forum though, yes? Notwithstanding Fab forums can be viewed without being a member or by logging in. E " No honestly your opinions really are unknown in the outside world. I appreciate that must be a blow to you but that’s life. | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E The CDC have published exactly that, stating that "no qualified virus iscolate is available". How could such a virus, so abundent, as pervasive as advertised, not of been able to been iscolated for analysis, with them literally saying, unequivocally, they have none of it available ? CDC Publication linked in the article. That is not a link to a credible source for eer reviewed scientific research evidence. Likewise, jumping around the Internet for hearsay tittle tattle, shows the depths that are plunged by those wanting to evade appropriate materials, for whatever their murky ideals and objectives to be met. Like any "research", the answer you get depends on the question you ask. You have to understand what you need to know, in order to ask the right question. The trouble with most people's research/proof/evidence, they don't have the most fundamental grasp of what they're talking about, no idea what questions to ask and no idea what their research/proof/evidence actually means. This is clearly demonstrated on this and every other thread in the virus forum. I thought the internet was supposed to make the world more intelligent. It seems to be having the opposite effect. E Some of it is from unaware individuals, whilst other elements are malicious. The posting of a steady stream of BS here is sourced and prompted by those who don't care about the wellbeing of others. These facile freedom of information requests, for example, are not driven by a search for scientific knowledge and understanding but are purposefully crafted to seed division. Using artfully worded phrases they have the pretence of legitimcy, to captivate the ignorant so that they fuel the flames of malcontent. Seemingly innocuous questions are apparently posed, so that the gullible are captivated, to fester in their stupid ignorance. It is tragic that so many don't possess much rational thinking ability and proudly proclaim it. It's good that more social Internet sources are now banning misinformation and legal restraints are being enacted, to punish such atrocious behaviour. So. Much. This. I wish Fab would do more to remove the blatantly incorrect posts and outright lies. Also, it seems odd it's possible to post YouTube links to squirrels, but not bone fide scientific reports and papers, particularly on the Virus forum. E Totally agree. I have no idea why the site continues to tolerate these idiots during a pandemic. Probably because the tiny proportion of the U.K. population that reads the virus forum on a swingers website is irrelevant to the pandemic. It is relevant to those who contribute to the virus forum though, yes? Notwithstanding Fab forums can be viewed without being a member or by logging in. E No honestly your opinions really are unknown in the outside world. I appreciate that must be a blow to you but that’s life." No need to be bitchy. 
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"It could be 10% and it's still not worth the lives saving People die. Quicker people realise that only "jesus saves lives" and start living their own the better." You sound like your assuming your going to be one of the survivers | |||
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"I'm not saying either way but ask ANY government if they have a sample of Covid 19 When I say government, I mean in any research establishment anywhere under their control. All governments are required under the relevant freedom of information acts to comply with the request. Please post ANY government that says that they have. Please also ask the WHO " Or click the green arrow for mire nonsense? | |||
"Anyone who has a positive test but died of something else is counted. These statistics are meant to frighten people into abiding by the rules .Rules that they can not possibly police. They also don't state that the average age of the people who have died us over 80. If you are under 40 and catch it you have a 99.9% chance of surviving under 20 100% if you have no under laying conditions. So people don't panic , just wear face masks inside wash your hands as much as you can try not to touch your face and you should be fine" Yes very very clearly stated. Anyone who has died within 28 days of a positive test is included. By definition... People who die 29 or more days after a positive test (typically in a high care ward or ICU) will not be counted. The well warn argument of someone killed in an rta 28 days after a positive test will indeed be counted. There must be loads of those. Peoples positions are very entrenched but I'd urge you to consider also what happens for survivors and long covid. Thankfully as has been stated most people seem to recover well. A significant number don't. Stop spreading it and we can get back to a version of normal much quicker. | |||
"Yes I did similar maths, worldwide. 81million cases, 1.7millon deaths. Which is 1.4 not 0.000000003. " Not sure about your maths there... But 1.7 is 2.1% of 81. I do love those who add lots of leading but insignificant zeros to numbers for effect. Primary school maths mistake but looks good on fxxxbook. 00000000000002.1 tada! | |||
"Anyone who has a positive test but died of something else is counted. These statistics are meant to frighten people into abiding by the rules .Rules that they can not possibly police. They also don't state that the average age of the people who have died us over 80. If you are under 40 and catch it you have a 99.9% chance of surviving under 20 100% if you have no under laying conditions. So people don't panic , just wear face masks inside wash your hands as much as you can try not to touch your face and you should be fine Yes very very clearly stated. Anyone who has died within 28 days of a positive test is included. By definition... People who die 29 or more days after a positive test (typically in a high care ward or ICU) will not be counted. The well warn argument of someone killed in an rta 28 days after a positive test will indeed be counted. There must be loads of those. Peoples positions are very entrenched but I'd urge you to consider also what happens for survivors and long covid. Thankfully as has been stated most people seem to recover well. A significant number don't. Stop spreading it and we can get back to a version of normal much quicker. " The RTA makes me laugh. Assuming 30k cases each day in 28 days that is 840,000 cases in 28 days. In 2018 there were 1770 deaths. 840,000 is just over 1% of the UK population which means that of those 1700 a year, maybe 20 would have tested positive in the previous 28 days. Quite a small number compared to the 70k deaths we have had. | |||
"Anyone who has a positive test but died of something else is counted. These statistics are meant to frighten people into abiding by the rules .Rules that they can not possibly police. They also don't state that the average age of the people who have died us over 80. If you are under 40 and catch it you have a 99.9% chance of surviving under 20 100% if you have no under laying conditions. So people don't panic , just wear face masks inside wash your hands as much as you can try not to touch your face and you should be fine" But here’s the thing “underlying medical condition” Our daughter had a childhood cancer at 2 1/2yrs old, lost a kidney, got various other bits inside played with & some repairs done & had 18mnths of chemo @ a few weeks of intensive radiotherapy She’s 13 now & been clear for ten years but is still as many kids are under the care of Grt Ormond St. Our daughters life is normal & is expected to be of normal duration. Covid affects people differently it would appear though some survivors have suffered kidney damage that our daughter is “At Risk”. But her underlying condition wasn’t going to kill her, wasn’t going to shorten her life or put any caveats on what she does other than alcohol consumption. Not everyone with an underlying medical condition is old, not everyone with one was anywhere near deaths door before getting Covid & they may well have lived a full term “Normal” life. As far as I’m aware Asthma is an underlying medical condition. Big chunk of population that. Now excuse me for being rude but I’m Bolloxed if I’m locking up my kid for the next two years just so every other fucker can get back to getting pissed in pubs/clubs, puking in the street & fucking. & going on holiday. S | |||
"Anyone who has a positive test but died of something else is counted. These statistics are meant to frighten people into abiding by the rules .Rules that they can not possibly police. They also don't state that the average age of the people who have died us over 80. If you are under 40 and catch it you have a 99.9% chance of surviving under 20 100% if you have no under laying conditions. So people don't panic , just wear face masks inside wash your hands as much as you can try not to touch your face and you should be fine But here’s the thing “underlying medical condition” Our daughter had a childhood cancer at 2 1/2yrs old, lost a kidney, got various other bits inside played with & some repairs done & had 18mnths of chemo @ a few weeks of intensive radiotherapy She’s 13 now & been clear for ten years but is still as many kids are under the care of Grt Ormond St. Our daughters life is normal & is expected to be of normal duration. Covid affects people differently it would appear though some survivors have suffered kidney damage that our daughter is “At Risk”. But her underlying condition wasn’t going to kill her, wasn’t going to shorten her life or put any caveats on what she does other than alcohol consumption. Not everyone with an underlying medical condition is old, not everyone with one was anywhere near deaths door before getting Covid & they may well have lived a full term “Normal” life. As far as I’m aware Asthma is an underlying medical condition. Big chunk of population that. Now excuse me for being rude but I’m Bolloxed if I’m locking up my kid for the next two years just so every other fucker can get back to getting pissed in pubs/clubs, puking in the street & fucking. & going on holiday. S" 3.9 million people have diagnosed diabetes 5.1 million people are treated for asthma | |||
"Anyone who has a positive test but died of something else is counted. These statistics are meant to frighten people into abiding by the rules .Rules that they can not possibly police. They also don't state that the average age of the people who have died us over 80. If you are under 40 and catch it you have a 99.9% chance of surviving under 20 100% if you have no under laying conditions. So people don't panic , just wear face masks inside wash your hands as much as you can try not to touch your face and you should be fine But here’s the thing “underlying medical condition” Our daughter had a childhood cancer at 2 1/2yrs old, lost a kidney, got various other bits inside played with & some repairs done & had 18mnths of chemo @ a few weeks of intensive radiotherapy She’s 13 now & been clear for ten years but is still as many kids are under the care of Grt Ormond St. Our daughters life is normal & is expected to be of normal duration. Covid affects people differently it would appear though some survivors have suffered kidney damage that our daughter is “At Risk”. But her underlying condition wasn’t going to kill her, wasn’t going to shorten her life or put any caveats on what she does other than alcohol consumption. Not everyone with an underlying medical condition is old, not everyone with one was anywhere near deaths door before getting Covid & they may well have lived a full term “Normal” life. As far as I’m aware Asthma is an underlying medical condition. Big chunk of population that. Now excuse me for being rude but I’m Bolloxed if I’m locking up my kid for the next two years just so every other fucker can get back to getting pissed in pubs/clubs, puking in the street & fucking. & going on holiday. S 3.9 million people have diagnosed diabetes 5.1 million people are treated for asthma 7. 4 million people with cardio vascular disease " | |||
"Using the case fatality rate(CFR) gives an inflated percentage when it is claimed that their could be up to 80% asymptomatic cases that are not recorded. " This is the major factor in all of this. During the first wave there was no mass testing at all. Pure guess work was involved. It might have been educated guesswiek but thats not reliable. Asymptomatic cases are not getting picked up even now which greatly inflates the danger level. | |||
"Using the case fatality rate(CFR) gives an inflated percentage when it is claimed that their could be up to 80% asymptomatic cases that are not recorded. This is the major factor in all of this. During the first wave there was no mass testing at all. Pure guess work was involved. It might have been educated guesswiek but thats not reliable. Asymptomatic cases are not getting picked up even now which greatly inflates the danger level. " It certainly inflates it. As you say nobody knows the percentage of asymptomatic so we can't say greatly or otherwise. It would also be interesting to know if "long covid" can develop out of asymptomatic covid. Still so much useful detail that we don't know... Or isn't being shared. | |||
" Asymptomatic cases are not getting picked up even now which greatly inflates the danger level. " After the success of mass testing in Liverpool we were told it would be rolled out in other tier 3 areas but that never happened. | |||
"Using the case fatality rate(CFR) gives an inflated percentage when it is claimed that their could be up to 80% asymptomatic cases that are not recorded. This is the major factor in all of this. During the first wave there was no mass testing at all. Pure guess work was involved. It might have been educated guesswiek but thats not reliable. Asymptomatic cases are not getting picked up even now which greatly inflates the danger level. It certainly inflates it. As you say nobody knows the percentage of asymptomatic so we can't say greatly or otherwise. It would also be interesting to know if "long covid" can develop out of asymptomatic covid. Still so much useful detail that we don't know... Or isn't being shared. " Yes .. or a specific strain causes long covid .. | |||
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"Euromomo has death rates in europe going back years. The all cause mortality rate during 2020 shows 2 spikes one during the first wave which shows 90,000 deaths another which is slightly higher then normal and about 65,000 deaths. It's hard to tell if the excess deaths are because if COVID or because of the lock down measures." I think if the excess deaths were in the main due to lockdown measures then deaths would keep increasing during a lockdown then rapid decrease as lockdown eases, what we have seen is after a few weeks of lockdown deaths start coming down. | |||
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"The Oxford Vaccine is expected to gain approval within days. It doesn't require to be stored in sub zero temperatures, making a roll out a lot easier. There's millions of doses already in the UK. It took the NHS just over two months in the autumn to vaccinate the over 65 population against the seasonal flu. If the level of vaccines are available it could realistically be done by March. In theory that would result in far fewer people developing serious complications and needing treatment. Hopefully that would see a drastic fall in the numbers of deaths. There's a long way to go until this is over, but thanks to the Scientists, Doctors, Nurses and NHS staff Covid 19 will lose the ability to spread as a Pandemic. " The one difficulty is that compared to the flu vaccine which is one injection the present vaccine that are available for covid 19 is the require 2 doses 3 to 4 weeks apart. I really do think that everybody are getting really ahead of themselves. | |||
"Using the case fatality rate(CFR) gives an inflated percentage when it is claimed that their could be up to 80% asymptomatic cases that are not recorded. This is the major factor in all of this. During the first wave there was no mass testing at all. Pure guess work was involved. It might have been educated guesswiek but thats not reliable. Asymptomatic cases are not getting picked up even now which greatly inflates the danger level. It certainly inflates it. As you say nobody knows the percentage of asymptomatic so we can't say greatly or otherwise. It would also be interesting to know if "long covid" can develop out of asymptomatic covid. Still so much useful detail that we don't know... Or isn't being shared. Yes .. or a specific strain causes long covid .. " Science.. Hmmm... seems to have been granted immunity to some of the wild (but scientific so that's OK) guesses that have been thrown out there. Now don't get me wrong, if they don't know they don't know... And things change and evolve...and also our own access to their planet sized brains is only really via the media, and we know that they aren't afraid to spin a story out of nothing. But... But... I was reading in the BMJ that latest estimates (I think I'll reword it as guesses) for asymptomatic infections was 17 to 20 % of infections. You may remember that started as 80% and was then increased to 90%....reduced to "approx a third" and is now a rather specific guess of 17 to 20 per cent. Policies and strategies are made on the back of this science. There are now (according to the science) huge question marks over testing asymptomatic people as they are now not sure how much if at all they spread infection to others. It seems we still have a very long way to go in our understanding of this virus. | |||
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"Very interesting post I’ve always said that if you put death of supposedly covid against the population of people alive it’s not much... I’ve never seen them say it the other way how many alive to what died.... They scared us then kept numbers up even Scientists forecast was wrong and they back tracked on it " People often spout the 99% survival rate, suggesting that 1% isn't much and we therefore shouldn't worry. 1% of the global population is 78 million people. Not so small now is it. E | |||
"Very interesting post I’ve always said that if you put death of supposedly covid against the population of people alive it’s not much... I’ve never seen them say it the other way how many alive to what died.... They scared us then kept numbers up even Scientists forecast was wrong and they back tracked on it People often spout the 99% survival rate, suggesting that 1% isn't much and we therefore shouldn't worry. 1% of the global population is 78 million people. Not so small now is it. E" The way the story has been told... "science good, politicians bad"... And "fact based... Politicians ignore the science" etc time and again. Well my old mum could pick a number between 1 and 100 and be as accurate as any of the science facts on asymptomatic spread. Im just cautioning against the deity like status that has been conferred upon "facts" "science" and "scientists"... Its not the only game in town and you have to be able to apply critical thinking to any of the facts. | |||
"Very interesting post I’ve always said that if you put death of supposedly covid against the population of people alive it’s not much... I’ve never seen them say it the other way how many alive to what died.... They scared us then kept numbers up even Scientists forecast was wrong and they back tracked on it People often spout the 99% survival rate, suggesting that 1% isn't much and we therefore shouldn't worry. 1% of the global population is 78 million people. Not so small now is it. E" 50-60 mil people die globally every year | |||
"So, Death rates, we keep hearing people spout figures like 0.03 whatever but I’ve just checked the latest U.K. figures 2.2million confirmed cases 70,000 confirmed deaths ? I make that 3.2% ish or 3 in every 100 or one in every 33 people. Or have I had too much rum? S" I think your parents had to much rum when conceiving. | |||
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"The death rate fr covid alone..I.e. no underlying health issues is miniscule...it is clearly a virus that has the worst impact on those of a certain age with underlying health problems....after all these months a better way has to be out there than locking up healthy people...destroying business etc... the lockdowns will do far more damage long term than the virus.... " This will upset the scientist of fab, they will be along to spout their wisdom shortly | |||
" The death rate fr covid alone..I.e. no underlying health issues is miniscule...it is clearly a virus that has the worst impact on those of a certain age with underlying health problems....after all these months a better way has to be out there than locking up healthy people...destroying business etc... the lockdowns will do far more damage long term than the virus.... " So, what do you suggest? | |||
"The death rate fr covid alone..I.e. no underlying health issues is miniscule...it is clearly a virus that has the worst impact on those of a certain age with underlying health problems....after all these months a better way has to be out there than locking up healthy people...destroying business etc... the lockdowns will do far more damage long term than the virus.... " Explain what you believe underlying health conditions to be? | |||
"The death rate fr covid alone..I.e. no underlying health issues is miniscule...it is clearly a virus that has the worst impact on those of a certain age with underlying health problems....after all these months a better way has to be out there than locking up healthy people...destroying business etc... the lockdowns will do far more damage long term than the virus.... " Agreed, we need to make better use of the millions of tests being done. people testing negative should be able to do more. One of the issues with "underlying causes" is... There is no clear definition of underlying causes. What are they? As an example if you add asthma, diabetes and coronary disease sufferers you get to about 20 million. Add in immuno disease sufferers like rheumatoid arthritis, cancer, and so on.. You come to a huge percentage of our population. I agree we need to make better use of technology to release people of low risk or testing negative.... As restricting their movements and social interactions doesn't serve much purpose. They have tested negative after all. | |||
"The death rate fr covid alone..I.e. no underlying health issues is miniscule...it is clearly a virus that has the worst impact on those of a certain age with underlying health problems....after all these months a better way has to be out there than locking up healthy people...destroying business etc... the lockdowns will do far more damage long term than the virus.... Explain what you believe underlying health conditions to be?" I'm sure you know exactly what I mean months into this...their well documented | |||
"Using the case fatality rate(CFR) gives an inflated percentage when it is claimed that their could be up to 80% asymptomatic cases that are not recorded. This is the major factor in all of this. During the first wave there was no mass testing at all. Pure guess work was involved. It might have been educated guesswiek but thats not reliable. Asymptomatic cases are not getting picked up even now which greatly inflates the danger level. It certainly inflates it. As you say nobody knows the percentage of asymptomatic so we can't say greatly or otherwise. It would also be interesting to know if "long covid" can develop out of asymptomatic covid. Still so much useful detail that we don't know... Or isn't being shared. Yes .. or a specific strain causes long covid .. Science.. Hmmm... seems to have been granted immunity to some of the wild (but scientific so that's OK) guesses that have been thrown out there. Now don't get me wrong, if they don't know they don't know... And things change and evolve...and also our own access to their planet sized brains is only really via the media, and we know that they aren't afraid to spin a story out of nothing. But... But... I was reading in the BMJ that latest estimates (I think I'll reword it as guesses) for asymptomatic infections was 17 to 20 % of infections. You may remember that started as 80% and was then increased to 90%....reduced to "approx a third" and is now a rather specific guess of 17 to 20 per cent. Policies and strategies are made on the back of this science. There are now (according to the science) huge question marks over testing asymptomatic people as they are now not sure how much if at all they spread infection to others. It seems we still have a very long way to go in our understanding of this virus. " I think they have reassessed the asymptomatic spread after the mass testing of the Liverpool population. I think they were surprised at how few asymptomatic cases there were. | |||
"The death rate fr covid alone..I.e. no underlying health issues is miniscule...it is clearly a virus that has the worst impact on those of a certain age with underlying health problems....after all these months a better way has to be out there than locking up healthy people...destroying business etc... the lockdowns will do far more damage long term than the virus.... Agreed, we need to make better use of the millions of tests being done. people testing negative should be able to do more. One of the issues with "underlying causes" is... There is no clear definition of underlying causes. What are they? As an example if you add asthma, diabetes and coronary disease sufferers you get to about 20 million. Add in immuno disease sufferers like rheumatoid arthritis, cancer, and so on.. You come to a huge percentage of our population. I agree we need to make better use of technology to release people of low risk or testing negative.... As restricting their movements and social interactions doesn't serve much purpose. They have tested negative after all. " The list of underlying health conditions is widely available. And yes, it does include such things as asthma. Or rheumatoid arthritis. Or pregnancy. Or diabetes. Or cancer patients. There is no 'if'. These ARE amongst those referred to when the phrase "underlying health conditions" is bandied about. | |||
"The death rate fr covid alone..I.e. no underlying health issues is miniscule...it is clearly a virus that has the worst impact on those of a certain age with underlying health problems....after all these months a better way has to be out there than locking up healthy people...destroying business etc... the lockdowns will do far more damage long term than the virus.... Explain what you believe underlying health conditions to be? I'm sure you know exactly what I mean months into this...their well documented " No I want to hear what your interpretation is. And how you see things working out if you "lock up" the estimated 22% of the world's population who have underlying health conditions that put them at greater risk of covid | |||
"... we have a long way to go get everyone vaccinated, and at that point we can look at taking lockdowns out of our list of preferred options it feels like continual lockdown because we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can provide us an alternative strategy " Kudos for having the patience to explain this Sad to say that I gave up trying to correct erroneous beliefs back in April and the misinformation has only put worse since then... The level of ignorance in the West is disappointing given near universal education. It seems that our various governments are not as concerned about it as I think they should be...
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"Tried to repost the video on twitter and Facebook but took down and saying going to close my accounts, it's government data do some research or stay in your happy place. Wake up people before it's to late. Find it on earth united wed page. " Interesting! X | |||
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".... Im just cautioning against the deity like status that has been conferred upon "facts" "science" and "scientists"... Its not the only game in town and you have to be able to apply critical thinking to any of the facts. " Without quote marks facts and science really is the only game in town. The alternative is choosing to ignore what one does know in favour of what one believes when deciding on a course of action. Or maybe using dice to decide policy... Hmmmm I can see how that might be popular... 1 = entire population congregate in the dome until they've all had it 2 = everyone does their own thing 3 = we all eat mustard for a week 4 = pray to God to deal with it 5 = rebrand it as flu lite 6 = cull the elderly to save the economy. You can make up your own options too! xx | |||
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"Very interesting post I’ve always said that if you put death of supposedly covid against the population of people alive it’s not much... I’ve never seen them say it the other way how many alive to what died.... They scared us then kept numbers up even Scientists forecast was wrong and they back tracked on it People often spout the 99% survival rate, suggesting that 1% isn't much and we therefore shouldn't worry. 1% of the global population is 78 million people. Not so small now is it. E 50-60 mil people die globally every year" What's your point? E | |||
"The one thing these threads have made crystal clear is who we definitely won’t be meeting when everything clears up. The level of ignorance and anti-science dressed up as “critical thinking” and worse still those who think they’re doing “research” makes me resigned fo the fact that we won’t be seeing the back of this virus anytime soon. We live in an age where verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and knowledge has never been more accessible, yet, people would rather cite a video by some random dude on YouTube as a counter argument to evolving evidence base science. " Yup. 
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"The one thing these threads have made crystal clear is who we definitely won’t be meeting when everything clears up. The level of ignorance and anti-science dressed up as “critical thinking” and worse still those who think they’re doing “research” makes me resigned fo the fact that we won’t be seeing the back of this virus anytime soon. We live in an age where verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and knowledge has never been more accessible, yet, people would rather cite a video by some random dude on YouTube as a counter argument to evolving evidence base science. " A peer reviewed reputable scientific article has only has a small audience, there is a high barrier to understanding what is written and more importantly what the findings are. Communicating expert professional knowledge to a lay audience is in many ways the much harder part. I do think that we are being let down by irresponsible journalism and the cancer of social media. Very often the details are less important than the implied message that we are being lied to. If I can convince someone the powers that be are lying about one thing, its easier to fool them the next time. | |||
"The one thing these threads have made crystal clear is who we definitely won’t be meeting when everything clears up. The level of ignorance and anti-science dressed up as “critical thinking” and worse still those who think they’re doing “research” makes me resigned fo the fact that we won’t be seeing the back of this virus anytime soon. We live in an age where verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and knowledge has never been more accessible, yet, people would rather cite a video by some random dude on YouTube as a counter argument to evolving evidence base science. A peer reviewed reputable scientific article has only has a small audience, there is a high barrier to understanding what is written and more importantly what the findings are. Communicating expert professional knowledge to a lay audience is in many ways the much harder part. I do think that we are being let down by irresponsible journalism and the cancer of social media. Very often the details are less important than the implied message that we are being lied to. If I can convince someone the powers that be are lying about one thing, its easier to fool them the next time." Absolutely right... I wouldnt know a good peer reviewed scientific paper from a banana but we have somehow developed this need to challenge everything with our Google knowledge. When the brikkie comes round to build our extension we don't hop onto YouTube and tell him he's laying them all wrong coz Alan on youtube said so. | |||
"The one thing these threads have made crystal clear is who we definitely won’t be meeting when everything clears up. The level of ignorance and anti-science dressed up as “critical thinking” and worse still those who think they’re doing “research” makes me resigned fo the fact that we won’t be seeing the back of this virus anytime soon. We live in an age where verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and knowledge has never been more accessible, yet, people would rather cite a video by some random dude on YouTube as a counter argument to evolving evidence base science. " I'm always intrigued by comments like this. How many people meet someone from the forums. I know I never have. | |||
"The one thing these threads have made crystal clear is who we definitely won’t be meeting when everything clears up. The level of ignorance and anti-science dressed up as “critical thinking” and worse still those who think they’re doing “research” makes me resigned fo the fact that we won’t be seeing the back of this virus anytime soon. We live in an age where verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and knowledge has never been more accessible, yet, people would rather cite a video by some random dude on YouTube as a counter argument to evolving evidence base science. A peer reviewed reputable scientific article has only has a small audience, there is a high barrier to understanding what is written and more importantly what the findings are. Communicating expert professional knowledge to a lay audience is in many ways the much harder part. I do think that we are being let down by irresponsible journalism and the cancer of social media. Very often the details are less important than the implied message that we are being lied to. If I can convince someone the powers that be are lying about one thing, its easier to fool them the next time." you’re correct of course, scientific communication is incredibly poor (often intentionally) as it doesn’t really sell papers or grab attention. It doesn’t decrease my frustration with the absolute nonsense spouted by people. | |||
"The one thing these threads have made crystal clear is who we definitely won’t be meeting when everything clears up. The level of ignorance and anti-science dressed up as “critical thinking” and worse still those who think they’re doing “research” makes me resigned fo the fact that we won’t be seeing the back of this virus anytime soon. We live in an age where verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and knowledge has never been more accessible, yet, people would rather cite a video by some random dude on YouTube as a counter argument to evolving evidence base science. I'm always intrigued by comments like this. How many people meet someone from the forums. I know I never have." A) that’s the primary message you took from my post? B) we’ve met people from here, however we tended to have met them in a club socially then find them here and then start a conversation. At the end of the day Aubs is an ICU nurse and I work as a consultant in healthcare so we’re less likely to have stuff in common with someone who believes that Covid is a hoax or Covid isn’t that bad or let the old people die and let the rest of us get on with it. | |||
"The one thing these threads have made crystal clear is who we definitely won’t be meeting when everything clears up. The level of ignorance and anti-science dressed up as “critical thinking” and worse still those who think they’re doing “research” makes me resigned fo the fact that we won’t be seeing the back of this virus anytime soon. We live in an age where verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and knowledge has never been more accessible, yet, people would rather cite a video by some random dude on YouTube as a counter argument to evolving evidence base science. A peer reviewed reputable scientific article has only has a small audience, there is a high barrier to understanding what is written and more importantly what the findings are. Communicating expert professional knowledge to a lay audience is in many ways the much harder part. I do think that we are being let down by irresponsible journalism and the cancer of social media. Very often the details are less important than the implied message that we are being lied to. If I can convince someone the powers that be are lying about one thing, its easier to fool them the next time. Absolutely right... I wouldnt know a good peer reviewed scientific paper from a banana but we have somehow developed this need to challenge everything with our Google knowledge. When the brikkie comes round to build our extension we don't hop onto YouTube and tell him he's laying them all wrong coz Alan on youtube said so. " There you go again with exaggeration and being all dramatic..... the Banana would be the long yellow (sometimes green) edible fruit.... the other would be the paper | |||
"The one thing these threads have made crystal clear is who we definitely won’t be meeting when everything clears up. The level of ignorance and anti-science dressed up as “critical thinking” and worse still those who think they’re doing “research” makes me resigned fo the fact that we won’t be seeing the back of this virus anytime soon. We live in an age where verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and knowledge has never been more accessible, yet, people would rather cite a video by some random dude on YouTube as a counter argument to evolving evidence base science. A peer reviewed reputable scientific article has only has a small audience, there is a high barrier to understanding what is written and more importantly what the findings are. Communicating expert professional knowledge to a lay audience is in many ways the much harder part. I do think that we are being let down by irresponsible journalism and the cancer of social media. Very often the details are less important than the implied message that we are being lied to. If I can convince someone the powers that be are lying about one thing, its easier to fool them the next time. Absolutely right... I wouldnt know a good peer reviewed scientific paper from a banana but we have somehow developed this need to challenge everything with our Google knowledge. When the brikkie comes round to build our extension we don't hop onto YouTube and tell him he's laying them all wrong coz Alan on youtube said so. " That is probably the best quote I’ve heard about this. I may well steal this for my next discussion! | |||
"The one thing these threads have made crystal clear is who we definitely won’t be meeting when everything clears up. The level of ignorance and anti-science dressed up as “critical thinking” and worse still those who think they’re doing “research” makes me resigned fo the fact that we won’t be seeing the back of this virus anytime soon. We live in an age where verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and knowledge has never been more accessible, yet, people would rather cite a video by some random dude on YouTube as a counter argument to evolving evidence base science. I'm always intrigued by comments like this. How many people meet someone from the forums. I know I never have." M has met well over 100 people from the forums. He's also said there are hundreds he'd rather not meet. They're a great filter.
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"The one thing these threads have made crystal clear is who we definitely won’t be meeting when everything clears up. The level of ignorance and anti-science dressed up as “critical thinking” and worse still those who think they’re doing “research” makes me resigned fo the fact that we won’t be seeing the back of this virus anytime soon. We live in an age where verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and knowledge has never been more accessible, yet, people would rather cite a video by some random dude on YouTube as a counter argument to evolving evidence base science. A peer reviewed reputable scientific article has only has a small audience, there is a high barrier to understanding what is written and more importantly what the findings are. Communicating expert professional knowledge to a lay audience is in many ways the much harder part. I do think that we are being let down by irresponsible journalism and the cancer of social media. Very often the details are less important than the implied message that we are being lied to. If I can convince someone the powers that be are lying about one thing, its easier to fool them the next time. Absolutely right... I wouldnt know a good peer reviewed scientific paper from a banana but we have somehow developed this need to challenge everything with our Google knowledge. When the brikkie comes round to build our extension we don't hop onto YouTube and tell him he's laying them all wrong coz Alan on youtube said so. That is probably the best quote I’ve heard about this. I may well steal this for my next discussion! "Two expressions that indicate it's likely someone is talking bollox is when they tell you to "do your research" or "it's just common sense". | |||
"The Irish government as been forced under the freedom of i formation to give proof of covid 19 (sars 2) virus. After 8 weeks they have released a statement saying they cannot confirm that such a virus exists, but are continuing to look for and isolate the said virus but no such virus exists at this time. Make of that as you will and put your masks on so you don't smell the government bullshit. This is completely untrue. I've grown tired of asking people who post this nonsense for a link. It never arrives. Posts like this should be removed. They're dangerous. E" Forums like these are dangerous | |||
"The Oxford Vaccine is expected to gain approval within days. It doesn't require to be stored in sub zero temperatures, making a roll out a lot easier. There's millions of doses already in the UK. It took the NHS just over two months in the autumn to vaccinate the over 65 population against the seasonal flu. If the level of vaccines are available it could realistically be done by March. In theory that would result in far fewer people developing serious complications and needing treatment. Hopefully that would see a drastic fall in the numbers of deaths. There's a long way to go until this is over, but thanks to the Scientists, Doctors, Nurses and NHS staff Covid 19 will lose the ability to spread as a Pandemic. The one difficulty is that compared to the flu vaccine which is one injection the present vaccine that are available for covid 19 is the require 2 doses 3 to 4 weeks apart. I really do think that everybody are getting really ahead of themselves. " Having two have to doses yes is more work than one. However, There are weeks between so properly managed you stagger the schedule so ideally people are constantly receiving the jabs. Though the organisational response to the pandemic has been a mess from the start. | |||
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"My friend who has had depression killed herself last week , tier 4 lockdown was the last straw. This is mental illness that is spiking out of control now dueto the restrictions. These issues and the people who have had radio therapy or operations delayed have been forgotten about . Anyone who thinks mental illness is just an excuse has not experienced it !!! I am so fed up with these covid fearing people!!!" I am so fed up with these Covid none fearing people who fail to grasp that radio therapy and operations won’t happen at all once ICU beds are all full of Covid patients. But you know, whatever . And yes I know first hand what it’s like when your mental health is not in a good place. | |||
"My friend who has had depression killed herself last week , tier 4 lockdown was the last straw. This is mental illness that is spiking out of control now dueto the restrictions. These issues and the people who have had radio therapy or operations delayed have been forgotten about . Anyone who thinks mental illness is just an excuse has not experienced it !!! I am so fed up with these covid fearing people!!!" I think there is a mental health time bomb waiting to go off. Whilst at the same time there is a deadly virus killing 100d of people a die. | |||
