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"Because people are so desperate to get back to normalcy that they will put complete faith in a silver bullet solution. Unfortunately it does not seem that in all the excitement nobody has thought of a Plan B." As usual then | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? " 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it | |||
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"And all the while making huge profit for big pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders ... hmm .. seems legit "Of course it makes money for big pharma companies, but then so does paracetamol, ibuprofen, aspirin and all cancer treatment. If you're going to be sceptical about a vaccine the one made by companies who's day to day job it is is to make vaccines is probably not the one to have a go at. The one being developed by tobacco companies on the other hand... | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it" That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. " Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led?" They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led?" All corona virus' mutate and change regularly (the common cold is a corona virus) by all means be sceptical but do it from the science, and the majority of the scientists and peer reviewed studies show these vaccines are effective, even more so at scale. Being sceptical about everything for the sake of being sceptical may seem a good idea in the short term, but in lieu of taking a degree in pharma or studying diseases and their cures (and working on the front line of treatment) you're probably make a decision that's ill informed and causes more damage in the long run. | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? " Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. " Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. " But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it " All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it " You just said it yourself so if it stops people getting the serious symptoms it stops hospitalization hence takes pressure of NHS etc which will then lead to other vaccines and illnesses being able to be focused on simple enough ??? | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. " Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it " True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it " That might be true about the flu but I wonder how many people would die of the flu if there wasn't a flu vaccine at all. | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it " We have covid vaccines as there was a concerted effort to combat a worldwide pandemic and an unprecedented degree of funding. What's so 'unbuyable' about that? | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it " Covid death rates are three times higher than the death rate of the common flu based on the death to infection rate. As you said yourself you don't know the stats but i'd suggest you look into them as a lot of people are sharing misinformation that's actually harmful to your health | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it You just said it yourself so if it stops people getting the serious symptoms it stops hospitalization hence takes pressure of NHS etc which will then lead to other vaccines and illnesses being able to be focused on simple enough ???" Time will tell if it actually does or if thats just how they are selling it to us .. anything that takes pressure of the nhs is a good thing although there are alot of nhs staff out there disputing the stories coming out in the press about how bad things are .. I've a couple of friends who have got so fed up with it all they're away abroad on holiday .. doesnt say much for the apparent meltdown of the nhs | |||
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I'll take my chances with a vaccine that's been created and tested by experts rather than listen to the halfwits on social media. | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it You just said it yourself so if it stops people getting the serious symptoms it stops hospitalization hence takes pressure of NHS etc which will then lead to other vaccines and illnesses being able to be focused on simple enough ???" | |||
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"Because people are so desperate to get back to normalcy that they will put complete faith in a silver bullet solution. Unfortunately it does not seem that in all the excitement nobody has thought of a Plan B. As usual then " As usual in a virus pandemic yes | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it That might be true about the flu but I wonder how many people would die of the flu if there wasn't a flu vaccine at all. " Suppose we will never know now but its still not stopping thousands of people dying | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it " Sorry your talking dangerous and inaccurate rubbish. Its fine having an opinion but ease dont spread inaccurate rumours. The deaths by flu are easily obtainable from the ons. | |||
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"I'd stay off Facebook and YouTube OP if I were you.
I'll take my chances with a vaccine that's been created and tested by experts rather than listen to the halfwits on social media."But presumptious that comment . I dont listen to crap on any social media platform or opinions of others .. I've got a well developed brain, a high IQ and have lived a varied life full surrounded by interesting, educated people and I think for myself, I wont be taking my chances with a thrown together vaccine i would rather continue to take my chances without it but each to their own, I'm on here for other peoples thoughts on the subject thanks | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it " I strongly suggest that you DO look at the figures for flu and you might be in for a bit of a suprise. Basically, because there is NO flu this year because of the covid restrictions. Please don't come on here and my statements but also say you've not looked at the figures and then suggest that we're being taken for mugs! With regards to the virus, there technology that is being used is not new. Even the Pfizer vaccine isn't new technology. With regards to the common cold though, you catch it, you have a sniffle and then you get better. Each year it changes slightly. Why on earth would there be the investment in both money and time required to use the existing tech to create new vaccine (which could possibly be done quickly) and test it on thousands of people before rolling it out? When it is rolled out, would you have it? I certainly wouldn't because I would rather just deal with a few days of having a cold than take the time out to have a vaccine every time there is a new strain of the cold virus. With regards to the Pfizer vaccine, whilst the virus mutates, it's fundamentally the same virus and the vaccine will almost certainly enable the immune system to recognise the virus and kick its ass. I thought that all of the above was widely known but clearly not... | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it Sorry your talking dangerous and inaccurate rubbish. Its fine having an opinion but ease dont spread inaccurate rumours. The deaths by flu are easily obtainable from the ons. " What rubbish am I spreading exactly.. are u saying thousands arent dying of the flu every year regardless of the vaccine ??? | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it That might be true about the flu but I wonder how many people would die of the flu if there wasn't a flu vaccine at all. Suppose we will never know now but its still not stopping thousands of people dying " We do know! Just google it. | |||
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"I'd stay off Facebook and YouTube OP if I were you.
I'll take my chances with a vaccine that's been created and tested by experts rather than listen to the halfwits on social media.
I dont listen to crap on any social media platform or opinions of others .. I've got a well developed brain, a high IQ and have lived a varied life full
surrounded by interesting, educated people and I think for myself, I wont be taking my chances with a thrown together vaccine "Are these interesting, educated people all of the same opinion as yourself? If they are, I'd suggest you're probably overegging their intelligence. Just my opinion of course.  | |||
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" What rubbish am I spreading exactly.. are u saying thousands arent dying of the flu every year regardless of the vaccine ??? " How about... "I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid." | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it Sorry your talking dangerous and inaccurate rubbish. Its fine having an opinion but ease dont spread inaccurate rumours. The deaths by flu are easily obtainable from the ons. What rubbish am I spreading exactly.. are u saying thousands arent dying of the flu every year regardless of the vaccine ??? " Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims. | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it I strongly suggest that you DO look at the figures for flu and you might be in for a bit of a suprise. Basically, because there is NO flu this year because of the covid restrictions. Please don't come on here and my statements but also say you've not looked at the figures and then suggest that we're being taken for mugs! With regards to the virus, there technology that is being used is not new. Even the Pfizer vaccine isn't new technology. With regards to the common cold though, you catch it, you have a sniffle and then you get better. Each year it changes slightly. Why on earth would there be the investment in both money and time required to use the existing tech to create new vaccine (which could possibly be done quickly) and test it on thousands of people before rolling it out? When it is rolled out, would you have it? I certainly wouldn't because I would rather just deal with a few days of having a cold than take the time out to have a vaccine every time there is a new strain of the cold virus. With regards to the Pfizer vaccine, whilst the virus mutates, it's fundamentally the same virus and the vaccine will almost certainly enable the immune system to recognise the virus and kick its ass. I thought that all of the above was widely known but clearly not..." There is no flu this year .. are u serious haha .. I didn't say anything about trying to find a vaccine for a cold either omg .. and that's amazing technology that can create a vaccine for a virus that is constantly changing and mutating . Like a super vaccine then that can mutate and change once its in ur system to keep up with external changes of the virus.. amazing . Or will u just keep lining up to get different versions of the vaccine as u go along? | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it Sorry your talking dangerous and inaccurate rubbish. Its fine having an opinion but ease dont spread inaccurate rumours. The deaths by flu are easily obtainable from the ons. What rubbish am I spreading exactly.. are u saying thousands arent dying of the flu every year regardless of the vaccine ??? Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims." I never said that .. please read the whole post | |||
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"Do you have a better solution OP? For a vaccine, it has very high levels of efficacy, as I presume you know from studying it. The virus has caused severe disruption, socially and economically. With such major issues, it seems reasonable for people to be positive about an approach that involves just a few minutes of their time to get vaccinated. It's not to replace other measures but they are the first substantial jump in helping to lift the spirit. We should not underestimate the psychological impact that this has had on millions, with many left with depleted emotional reserves to counter future issues. With the economic and employment prospects not looking too rosy, it's fairly easy to see that solutions that appear to show near universal protection - not far from 100& - are going to be met with welcome relief. " My suggestion from the start was protect and sheild the vulnerable.. close all the borders and let the virus work it's way through the strong with lock down limitations used to support the nhs and other public services.. bit like new Zealand did and it seemed to work well for them but here we are | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it Sorry your talking dangerous and inaccurate rubbish. Its fine having an opinion but ease dont spread inaccurate rumours. The deaths by flu are easily obtainable from the ons. What rubbish am I spreading exactly.. are u saying thousands arent dying of the flu every year regardless of the vaccine ??? Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims. I never said that .. please read the whole post " "I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid" Sorry but you did. | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it " Your lack of understand and basic grasp of vaccines and this whole topic is strikingly obvious. Maybe a sex forum isn't the best place to increase your understanding. No one is asking you to "buy it" you clearly will never understand it to a level to effectively debate it.  | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it " Last winter's deaths were below 400 from flu. We can lose that number in a single day from covid-19. Flu vaccines have fairly good take up in the UK and their effectiveness can prevent thousands of deaths, which is why they are recommended for so many people. | |||
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" Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims. I never said that .. please read the whole post " You said: " I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid. " | |||
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed." I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment | |||
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed." Very well put... My daughter will be getting the vaccine early next year apparently. Ive been told I will be getting it not to far after that. I did apply to test it but was unsuitable. I've read loads of medical papers on it to understand it.. and as its looking increasingly like for me to get any sort of normality back I will need to have had the vaccine then yup.. glad to have it. I dont see how it's been bodged as some are suggesting. | |||
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" Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims. I never said that .. please read the whole post You said: I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid. " Sorry people are still dying of flu as well as covid | |||
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" I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment " Yet there have been 500,000 vaccinations so far, so that particular hurdle has already been overcome... | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it I strongly suggest that you DO look at the figures for flu and you might be in for a bit of a suprise. Basically, because there is NO flu this year because of the covid restrictions. Please don't come on here and my statements but also say you've not looked at the figures and then suggest that we're being taken for mugs! With regards to the virus, there technology that is being used is not new. Even the Pfizer vaccine isn't new technology. With regards to the common cold though, you catch it, you have a sniffle and then you get better. Each year it changes slightly. Why on earth would there be the investment in both money and time required to use the existing tech to create new vaccine (which could possibly be done quickly) and test it on thousands of people before rolling it out? When it is rolled out, would you have it? I certainly wouldn't because I would rather just deal with a few days of having a cold than take the time out to have a vaccine every time there is a new strain of the cold virus. With regards to the Pfizer vaccine, whilst the virus mutates, it's fundamentally the same virus and the vaccine will almost certainly enable the immune system to recognise the virus and kick its ass. I thought that all of the above was widely known but clearly not... There is no flu this year .. are u serious haha .. I didn't say anything about trying to find a vaccine for a cold either omg .. and that's amazing technology that can create a vaccine for a virus that is constantly changing and mutating . Like a super vaccine then that can mutate and change once its in ur system to keep up with external changes of the virus.. amazing . Or will u just keep lining up to get different versions of the vaccine as u go along? " Yes, no flu. "Surveillance indicators suggest that COVID-19 activity at a national level has increased during week 50. There is currently limited testing for other respiratory viruses, however, laboratory indicators suggest that influenza activity is low. " Source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/945502/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w51_FINAL.pdf The virus mutations are small. The immune system will still recognise covid 19. Humans all look different despite originating from a very small blob of goo! Each generation changes so very slightly but we are all still recognisable as humans. Now, if the spike protein of the virus changed significantly then immune system may struggle to recognise it. | |||
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed. Very well put... My daughter will be getting the vaccine early next year apparently. Ive been told I will be getting it not to far after that. I did apply to test it but was unsuitable. I've read loads of medical papers on it to understand it.. and as its looking increasingly like for me to get any sort of normality back I will need to have had the vaccine then yup.. glad to have it. I dont see how it's been bodged as some are suggesting. " I honestly think it's great if it's making people feel better about moving forward I just have many doubts about the whole lot of it . I've worked right through this whole year, interest with hundreds of people every month from all walks of life , dont watch news just base my opinions on day to day life of society by talking with them .. I'm not convinced by alot of what we are led to believe tbh | |||
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" Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims. I never said that .. please read the whole post You said: I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid. Sorry people are still dying of flu as well as covid " reliable source please? How many is some? 2 would count as some... | |||
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed. Very well put... My daughter will be getting the vaccine early next year apparently. Ive been told I will be getting it not to far after that. I did apply to test it but was unsuitable. I've read loads of medical papers on it to understand it.. and as its looking increasingly like for me to get any sort of normality back I will need to have had the vaccine then yup.. glad to have it. I dont see how it's been bodged as some are suggesting. I honestly think it's great if it's making people feel better about moving forward I just have many doubts about the whole lot of it . I've worked right through this whole year, interest with hundreds of people every month from all walks of life , dont watch news just base my opinions on day to day life of society by talking with them .. I'm not convinced by alot of what we are led to believe tbh" #interacted not interest oops | |||
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed. Very well put... My daughter will be getting the vaccine early next year apparently. Ive been told I will be getting it not to far after that. I did apply to test it but was unsuitable. I've read loads of medical papers on it to understand it.. and as its looking increasingly like for me to get any sort of normality back I will need to have had the vaccine then yup.. glad to have it. I dont see how it's been bodged as some are suggesting. I honestly think it's great if it's making people feel better about moving forward I just have many doubts about the whole lot of it . I've worked right through this whole year, interest with hundreds of people every month from all walks of life , dont watch news just base my opinions on day to day life of society by talking with them .. I'm not convinced by alot of what we are led to believe tbh" Do you talk to many scientist or just Karens and Kevins? | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led?" You don't understand it because you presumably have not studied and learned from the scientific literature. I don't know why that is the case but to use an ignorant lack of accessed comprehension, as justification for attacking something, could seem a little wayward to some, couldn't it? This year has been incredibly tough for so many, people losing loved ones, jobs, businesses and their dreams. It's reasonable to consider that people want hope and some light back in to their lives. | |||
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" Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims. I never said that .. please read the whole post You said: I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid. Sorry people are still dying of flu as well as covid reliable source please? How many is some? 2 would count as some..." I'm sure I could google up a bbc link somewhere haha | |||
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" Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims. I never said that .. please read the whole post You said: I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid. Sorry people are still dying of flu as well as covid reliable source please? How many is some? 2 would count as some... I'm sure I could google up a bbc link somewhere haha " please do. BBC or some conspiracy site. Just not something you made up on the spot to help your "argument". | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? You don't understand it because you presumably have not studied and learned from the scientific literature. I don't know why that is the case but to use an ignorant lack of accessed comprehension, as justification for attacking something, could seem a little wayward to some, couldn't it? This year has been incredibly tough for so many, people losing loved ones, jobs, businesses and their dreams. It's reasonable to consider that people want hope and some light back in to their lives. " No offence but I'm not about to pretend to study and research a subject as complex as a brand new virus in a few months and then pretend to be an expert, my opinions are my own and as this is a forum I thought I was allowed to express them, didnt realise I had to be an expert and defend myself, I'd say that was also reasonable and I have stated a couple of times it's good if it makes people feel better ofcourse it is but it doenst make me feel better, not one bit really | |||
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" Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims. I never said that .. please read the whole post You said: I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid. Sorry people are still dying of flu as well as covid reliable source please? How many is some? 2 would count as some... I'm sure I could google up a bbc link somewhere haha please do. BBC or some conspiracy site. Just not something you made up on the spot to help your "argument". " Who's arguing? | |||
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"Because people are so desperate to get back to normalcy that they will put complete faith in a silver bullet solution. Unfortunately it does not seem that in all the excitement nobody has thought of a Plan B." Silver Bullet that will stop you speeding it as dead people don't breath. | |||
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed. Very well put... My daughter will be getting the vaccine early next year apparently. Ive been told I will be getting it not to far after that. I did apply to test it but was unsuitable. I've read loads of medical papers on it to understand it.. and as its looking increasingly like for me to get any sort of normality back I will need to have had the vaccine then yup.. glad to have it. I dont see how it's been bodged as some are suggesting. I honestly think it's great if it's making people feel better about moving forward I just have many doubts about the whole lot of it . I've worked right through this whole year, interest with hundreds of people every month from all walks of life , dont watch news just base my opinions on day to day life of society by talking with them .. I'm not convinced by alot of what we are led to believe tbh Do you talk to many scientist or just Karens and Kevins?" My client base is full of people from all walks of life | |||
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" Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims. I never said that .. please read the whole post You said: I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid. Sorry people are still dying of flu as well as covid reliable source please? How many is some? 2 would count as some... I'm sure I could google up a bbc link somewhere haha " By BBC I guess you mean Big Black Cocks (Black cocks are also available in other size's) | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? You don't understand it because you presumably have not studied and learned from the scientific literature. I don't know why that is the case but to use an ignorant lack of accessed comprehension, as justification for attacking something, could seem a little wayward to some, couldn't it? This year has been incredibly tough for so many, people losing loved ones, jobs, businesses and their dreams. It's reasonable to consider that people want hope and some light back in to their lives. No offence but I'm not about to pretend to study and research a subject as complex as a brand new virus in a few months and then pretend to be an expert, my opinions are my own and as this is a forum I thought I was allowed to express them, didnt realise I had to be an expert and defend myself, I'd say that was also reasonable and I have stated a couple of times it's good if it makes people feel better ofcourse it is but it doenst make me feel better, not one bit really " Some basic accurate facts would do. Stating that there are more flu deaths than covid deaths isn't a good start. Questioning how a vaccine could possibly work on mutations isn't specific to this brand new virus. There are very few true experts on here but a little bit of basic research from the best sources (and I don't necessarily mean MSM even though the BBC does interview some real experts) might help. | |||
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" I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment Yet there have been 500,000 vaccinations so far, so that particular hurdle has already been overcome..." Quite a few thousand didnt make it to their destination tho | |||
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed. Very well put... My daughter will be getting the vaccine early next year apparently. Ive been told I will be getting it not to far after that. I did apply to test it but was unsuitable. I've read loads of medical papers on it to understand it.. and as its looking increasingly like for me to get any sort of normality back I will need to have had the vaccine then yup.. glad to have it. I dont see how it's been bodged as some are suggesting. I honestly think it's great if it's making people feel better about moving forward I just have many doubts about the whole lot of it . I've worked right through this whole year, interest with hundreds of people every month from all walks of life , dont watch news just base my opinions on day to day life of society by talking with them .. I'm not convinced by alot of what we are led to believe tbh Do you talk to many scientist or just Karens and Kevins? My client base is full of people from all walks of life " maybe that's your problem? You are listening to Karen and the experts but giving them both an equal opportunity to express their thoughts? | |||
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed. I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment " You may want to revist the published data on the vaccines. The Stage 3 trials invilved tens of thousands of people in the real world, in several countries. They were not 'in a lab', they had the vaccine and then went about their normal lives and were monitored to see if they got infected and their results. Some people got the real vaccines, others got a placebo vaccine, with nobody knowing who got what. The efficacy is based on those thousands of people and how they all fared during lifestyles as normal as yours or mine. That you are claiming things that are way off the mark, makes me wonder why you're not looking for the full and accurate information first, before making such a claim | |||
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" I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment Yet there have been 500,000 vaccinations so far, so that particular hurdle has already been overcome... Quite a few thousand didnt make it to their destination tho " How many is that then? | |||
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"I have not read all the posts on here. For me, it's about hope. I have severe underlying health conditions and catching Covid could potentially kill me. On the other side, I have severe mental health issues and can't get any professional health, and have lost my entire support system due to this virus and the restrictions. For the majority of this year, I have been struggling alone and not doing so well most of the time. I am not an expert. I am also not naive. I don't expect it to be a miracle cure, I don't expect that lots of people will get it and life will immediately go back to normal. But there is hope - and those of us who are vulnerable need that hope. Yes, I'll take the vaccine if it means I will be protected against the worst of the symptoms, which means less of death. If people around me take the vaccine then perhaps small amounts of socialising will be possible again. Maybe. If I don't have that to hold on to, then what is there left?" I understand exactly what u are saying and I hope the vaccine does give people their lives back and bring support services back to those who need it . I'm more concerned about the impact this is having on peoples mental health than anything else , the lasting implications of this year could be a long long time even coming back to what we had before covid and even that wasnt great for some xx | |||
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" I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment Yet there have been 500,000 vaccinations so far, so that particular hurdle has already been overcome... Quite a few thousand didnt make it to their destination tho How many is that then?" could prob ask an online expert for exact figures but someone was telling me during the week that 70000 vaccines had to be binned cos of a temperature disruption during transport so I'm just assuming that wasnt the only batch .. 70k is still alot tho | |||
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" I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment Yet there have been 500,000 vaccinations so far, so that particular hurdle has already been overcome... Quite a few thousand didnt make it to their destination tho How many is that then? could prob ask an online expert for exact figures but someone was telling me during the week that 70000 vaccines had to be binned cos of a temperature disruption during transport so I'm just assuming that wasnt the only batch .. 70k is still alot tho " "Someone was telling you"
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" I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment Yet there have been 500,000 vaccinations so far, so that particular hurdle has already been overcome... Quite a few thousand didnt make it to their destination tho How many is that then? could prob ask an online expert for exact figures but someone was telling me during the week that 70000 vaccines had to be binned cos of a temperature disruption during transport so I'm just assuming that wasnt the only batch .. 70k is still alot tho "Someone was telling you"
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed. Very well put... My daughter will be getting the vaccine early next year apparently. Ive been told I will be getting it not to far after that. I did apply to test it but was unsuitable. I've read loads of medical papers on it to understand it.. and as its looking increasingly like for me to get any sort of normality back I will need to have had the vaccine then yup.. glad to have it. I dont see how it's been bodged as some are suggesting. I honestly think it's great if it's making people feel better about moving forward I just have many doubts about the whole lot of it . I've worked right through this whole year, interest with hundreds of people every month from all walks of life , dont watch news just base my opinions on day to day life of society by talking with them .. I'm not convinced by alot of what we are led to believe tbh Do you talk to many scientist or just Karens and Kevins? My client base is full of people from all walks of life maybe that's your problem? You are listening to Karen and the experts but giving them both an equal opportunity to express their thoughts?" I didnt realise I had a problem | |||
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"Opinions are like bumholes... Scientific fact and opinions are not the same thing and should only be conflated if the opinion sharer has some scientific basis upon which to opine. Any student I assess who writes "I think/believe" anywhere in their assignment will get a big red X through it. They're not qualified to have opinions on the science and nor are the overwhelming majority of people. So according to u nobody is allowed an opinion unless fully qualified in a particular subject but ur allowed to make an opinion on someone's assignment because the write think/believe so does that make u an expert in the think/believe assignments of the world? I think not" Indeed. I'm saying that where there is scientific fact (eg there's a vaccine that's 95% effective and can be edited quickly to deal with mutations), then opinion is irrelevant. It doesn't matter. What you (or anyone else) believes is immaterial. One might not believe the vaccine can be easily adapted, for example, but the fact of the matter is that it can. Opinions have no place in science. We don't deal in opinions. We deal in facts. Opinions are to express about whether a film was any good, whether 1995 was a good year for music, whether France or Spain is a better holiday destination. All these things are subjective and where there is subjectivity, opinion follows. Fine. Science is objective. | |||
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed. I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment You may want to revist the published data on the vaccines. The Stage 3 trials invilved tens of thousands of people in the real world, in several countries. They were not 'in a lab', they had the vaccine and then went about their normal lives and were monitored to see if they got infected and their results. Some people got the real vaccines, others got a placebo vaccine, with nobody knowing who got what. The efficacy is based on those thousands of people and how they all fared during lifestyles as normal as yours or mine. That you are claiming things that are way off the mark, makes me wonder why you're not looking for the full and accurate information first, before making such a claim " The efficiency of those trials are now out dated as the virus has changed again and will probably continue to change . No doubt the vaccine will be adapted to suit the changes but surely they cant keep up | |||
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" I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment Yet there have been 500,000 vaccinations so far, so that particular hurdle has already been overcome... Quite a few thousand didnt make it to their destination tho How many is that then? could prob ask an online expert for exact figures but someone was telling me during the week that 70000 vaccines had to be binned cos of a temperature disruption during transport so I'm just assuming that wasnt the only batch .. 70k is still alot tho "Someone was telling you"
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A client was telling me . I knew I should have got them to write a paper or film a you tube video so I had a link on hand to prove I'm not lying for the fab forum chat .. sorry "If you're going to throw 'facts' around then it would perhaps pay you to check the veracity of them to prevent misunderstandings.  | |||
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"Opinions are like bumholes... Scientific fact and opinions are not the same thing and should only be conflated if the opinion sharer has some scientific basis upon which Any student I assess who writes "I think/believe" anywhere in their assignment will get a big red X through it. They're not qualified to have opinions on the science and nor are the overwhelming majority of people. So according to u nobody is allowed an opinion unless fully qualified in a particular subject but ur allowed to make an opinion on someone's assignment because the write think/believe so does that make u an expert in the think/believe assignments of the world? I think not Indeed. I'm saying that where there is scientific fact (eg there's a vaccine that's 95% effective and can be edited quickly to deal with mutations), then opinion is irrelevant. It doesn't matter. What you (or anyone else) believes is immaterial. One might not believe the vaccine can be easily adapted, for example, but the fact of the matter is that it can. Opinions have no place in science. We don't deal in opinions. We deal in facts. Opinions are to express about whether a film was any good, whether 1995 was a good year for music, whether France or Spain is a better holiday destination. All these things are subjective and where there is subjectivity, opinion follows. Fine. Science is objective. " A vaccine can be edited .. how long to roll version 1,2,3,4,5 out? I think the worlds scientists are doing a great job and was interesting listening to Putins press conference the other day and hearing they are all now working together at last to bring he findings of the Russian vaccine together with the uk one, hopefully eventually we do have something that can be relied on and safe but right now I'm not convinced at all and although my opinion isnt scientifically based I'm still entitled to it . I don't expect or care of anyone agrees either | |||
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" I'm hearing distribution and storage is a major concern . Seems to be effective in lab conditions but only around 70% after roll out and thats if it even manages to be transported safely and reach destinations at correct temps. Expensive experiment Yet there have been 500,000 vaccinations so far, so that particular hurdle has already been overcome... Quite a few thousand didnt make it to their destination tho How many is that then? could prob ask an online expert for exact figures but someone was telling me during the week that 70000 vaccines had to be binned cos of a temperature disruption during transport so I'm just assuming that wasnt the only batch .. 70k is still alot tho "Someone was telling you"
No reference to that anywhere I can see.
A client was telling me . I knew I should have got them to write a paper or film a you tube video so I had a link on hand to prove I'm not lying for the fab forum chat .. sorry
If you're going to throw 'facts' around then it would perhaps pay you to check the veracity of them to prevent misunderstandings. "I never said it was facts . I haven't actually presented anything ive said throughout this whole thread as fact just my understanding of the situation based on my experiences of it . I dont want to be an expert on it I'm already an expert on what I do and happy doing that | |||
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" A vaccine can be edited .. how long to roll version 1,2,3,4,5 out? I think the worlds scientists are doing a great job and was interesting listening to Putins press conference the other day and hearing they are all now working together at last to bring he findings of the Russian vaccine together with the uk one, hopefully eventually we do have something that can be relied on and safe but right now I'm not convinced at all and although my opinion isnt scientifically based I'm still entitled to it . I don't expect or care of anyone agrees either " How long to roll out an edited vaccine (if required - which it isn't, right now)? Already answered in my earlier post. BioNTech say 4-6wks. Next will take longer to deliver me a new light fitting that doesn't need tweaking/editing. | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? " Oh FFS Enough of the negativity! I swear some people live for it. | |||
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"And all the while making huge profit for big pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders ... hmm .. seems legit "I just don't get the negativity about this. Its a vaccine that gives you immunity to Covid. What's to carp about? What's to think about? Yes the Pharma's will make money. So? Do you work for nothing. Amazon has been making millions from the Pandemic. The government have been spending money hand over fist throughout the Pandemic. Can't go on for ever & here's the way out. Or just go catch the virus and get your immunity that way. You have a choice. | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it That might be true about the flu but I wonder how many people would die of the flu if there wasn't a flu vaccine at all. " Ye Gods! Flu is a killer around 20000 per year in the UK. No it's not more than Covid ....approaching 3 to 4x that so far for Covid. And now there's a super spreader Covid.... And yes you can get a Flu jab every year if you want one. No it's not 100% effective. Buta ctually the bigger problem is the vast majority of us don't bother. Hence some of us will die from Flu who may not have done had they had the jab. In the same way clearly some people will refuse the Covid jab and some will die needlesly from Covid. I guess in the end, it's all about natural selection. | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led?" Common sense? Really? | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led?" Having a level of scepticism is a good thing only if it leads you to read further in to a subject and increase your understanding to make a objective decision. To put the vaccine argument in two camps. On one side you have, hundreds of scientists and researchers along with 10’s of thousands of volunteers testing the vaccine. Backing up decades of research in mRNA vaccines. Together with the vast sums of money pumped in to this research by multiple governments around the world. When normally scientists are spending a lot of time scrabbling around for funding for research. Don’t forget there are now multiple vaccines now becoming available. Pfizer Moderna Oxford Astra Zenica Russian developed one - Sputnik Chinese one Johnson & Johnson - due January Plus some others. All who undergo full independent examination of their effectiveness by the relevant countries regulatory bodies. In the UK all the approval and the research papers are published in the public domain for all to read. But on the other hand you have the OP who has watched ‘I am Legend’ and says this is how the zombie apocalypse starts. | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? Having a level of scepticism is a good thing only if it leads you to read further in to a subject and increase your understanding to make a objective decision. To put the vaccine argument in two camps. On one side you have, hundreds of scientists and researchers along with 10’s of thousands of volunteers testing the vaccine. Backing up decades of research in mRNA vaccines. Together with the vast sums of money pumped in to this research by multiple governments around the world. When normally scientists are spending a lot of time scrabbling around for funding for research. Don’t forget there are now multiple vaccines now becoming available. Pfizer Moderna Oxford Astra Zenica Russian developed one - Sputnik Chinese one Johnson & Johnson - due January Plus some others. All who undergo full independent examination of their effectiveness by the relevant countries regulatory bodies. In the UK all the approval and the research papers are published in the public domain for all to read. But on the other hand you have the OP who has watched ‘I am Legend’ and says this is how the zombie apocalypse starts." I think that pretty much sums it up. E | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? Do you insist your sexual partners wear a condom? Because they're not 100% effective either. E" Here are some other things that are not 100% effective Seat belts IUD Parachutes Air bags Motorcycle crash helmets The pill Paracetamol Life jackets Would you not use any of those either.... | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? Do you insist your sexual partners wear a condom? Because they're not 100% effective either. E Here are some other things that are not 100% effective Seat belts IUD Parachutes Air bags Motorcycle crash helmets The pill Paracetamol Life jackets Would you not use any of those either.... " You're asking the wrong person.
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? " You understand that the yearly flu jab is only 50% effective? | |||
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"And all the while making huge profit for big pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders ... hmm .. seems legit
I just don't get the negativity about this. Its a vaccine that gives you immunity to Covid. What's to carp about? What's to think about?
Yes the Pharma's will make money. So? Do you work for nothing. Amazon has been making millions from the Pandemic.
The government have been spending money hand over fist throughout the Pandemic. Can't go on for ever & here's the way out. Or just go catch the virus and get your immunity that way. You have a choice.
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" But presumptious that comment . I dont listen to crap on any social media platform or opinions of others .. I've got a well developed brain, a high IQ and have lived a varied life full surrounded by interesting, educated people and I think for myself, I wont be taking my chances with a thrown together vaccine i would rather continue to take my chances without it but each to their own, I'm on here for other peoples thoughts on the subject thanks " I'm going to say not all of your first two paragraphs is true. Certainly not the second paragraph. You don't listen to other people's opinions, but you keep mentioning "what you've heard" and "what people are saying"? One of those statements negates the other. I'd suggest you stop relying on what people are saying and what you hear and start reading and listening to the experts, the people who've spent years and fucking years working on "stuff" like this. You mentioned common sense, but you're not showing any. E | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? " I don't know why some are attacking the OP on this thread for asking questions and offering her opinion. The lack of tolerance on these threads by some is truly astounding. To the OP, 1. I don't know, 2. Maybe better than nothing as it may protect those who are more vulnerable. | |||
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" But presumptious that comment . I dont listen to crap on any social media platform or opinions of others .. I've got a well developed brain, a high IQ and have lived a varied life full surrounded by interesting, educated people and I think for myself, I wont be taking my chances with a thrown together vaccine i would rather continue to take my chances without it but each to their own, I'm on here for other peoples thoughts on the subject thanks I'm going to say not all of your first two paragraphs is true. Certainly not the second paragraph. You don't listen to other people's opinions, but you keep mentioning "what you've heard" and "what people are saying"? One of those statements negates the other. I'd suggest you stop relying on what people are saying and what you hear and start reading and listening to the experts, the people who've spent years and fucking years working on "stuff" like this. You mentioned common sense, but you're not showing any. E " Because she doesn't share your opinion? | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led?" You do know they have been working on corona viruses for years and covid19 is another one of those it's just a new form of corona virus. So technically no it's not a brand new vaccine. Just liks the flu vaccine is changed every year because the flu mutates like most viruses do. And a lot of people and I'm included will take or have taken it because at least we know we have done all we can to help rather than sitting back and moaning about it all. If people don't want to take it or not that's up to them. But I find the belittling attitudes some have towards others who make the decision either way really kind of sad. | |||
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" But presumptious that comment . I dont listen to crap on any social media platform or opinions of others .. I've got a well developed brain, a high IQ and have lived a varied life full surrounded by interesting, educated people and I think for myself, I wont be taking my chances with a thrown together vaccine i would rather continue to take my chances without it but each to their own, I'm on here for other peoples thoughts on the subject thanks I'm going to say not all of your first two paragraphs is true. Certainly not the second paragraph. You don't listen to other people's opinions, but you keep mentioning "what you've heard" and "what people are saying"? One of those statements negates the other. I'd suggest you stop relying on what people are saying and what you hear and start reading and listening to the experts, the people who've spent years and fucking years working on "stuff" like this. You mentioned common sense, but you're not showing any. E Because she doesn't share your opinion? " No. I listen to the experts. They're the ones with the experience and expertise. I take little or no notice of "what I hear" or "what someone told me", other than using it to further my research into what the experts are saying. It's perfectly fine to have an opinion. However opinions do not change facts or science. Following "what I hear" or "what someone told me" and taking it as gospel is dangerous in the extremes. There's a wealth of reliable information readily available out there. There's plenty within this very thread. To ignore or poo poo it out of hand, without spending 5 seconds to even consider it is daft. Particularly when the OP actually asked for opinions. E | |||
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" Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it " I thought we'd seen the last of the 'What can I post that is extreme enough to annoy people' posts, obviously not, yet another doom mongering post.... Yawn! | |||
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"Ok. 1) No vaccine is 100% efficacious. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine currently in use, at 95%, is way higher than most vaccines currently widely used. We don't know the final result for the Oxford one. 2) The way all of the vaccines have been developed make it really quick and straightforward to edit the specific genetic sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene (that's if mutations in the version used to make the current batches result in a significant drop in efficacy). 3) BioNTech (the brains behind the vaccine that Pfizer is churning out) have already stated that their preliminary analysis of the variant of SARS-CoV-2 that's caused concern in the UK this week is not so different that it affects the vaccine. 4) BioNTech have also stated they would need 4-6wks only to produce a new batch of vaccine with an edited mRNA sequence, if future mutations did require this. People are putting their hopes into a tried and tested process (vaccination), using a product that has a high level of efficacy and that can easily be adapted to any genetic changes in the virus, if required. I'd say that people's faith is well placed. Very well put... My daughter will be getting the vaccine early next year apparently. Ive been told I will be getting it not to far after that. I did apply to test it but was unsuitable. I've read loads of medical papers on it to understand it.. and as its looking increasingly like for me to get any sort of normality back I will need to have had the vaccine then yup.. glad to have it. I dont see how it's been bodged as some are suggesting. I honestly think it's great if it's making people feel better about moving forward I just have many doubts about the whole lot of it . I've worked right through this whole year, interest with hundreds of people every month from all walks of life , dont watch news just base my opinions on day to day life of society by talking with them .. I'm not convinced by alot of what we are led to believe tbh Do you talk to many scientist or just Karens and Kevins? My client base is full of people from all walks of life maybe that's your problem? You are listening to Karen and the experts but giving them both an equal opportunity to express their thoughts? I didnt realise I had a problem " From what I have read you have plenty of them. | |||
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" Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it I thought we'd seen the last of the 'What can I post that is extreme enough to annoy people' posts, obviously not, yet another doom mongering post.... Yawn!" I'd suggest it's natural and healthy to be cautious of something new. That caution must be tempered by science though. Be cautious, ask questions, do research, be informed, make a decision based on facts. E | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? I don't know why some are attacking the OP on this thread for asking questions and offering her opinion. The lack of tolerance on these threads by some is truly astounding. To the OP, 1. I don't know, 2. Maybe better than nothing as it may protect those who are more vulnerable. " Maybe making completely incorrect statements about covid vs flu pushes our patience? Perhaps when a number of people pull apart your comments it is time to stop and maybe do a bit of research? | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? " So what would be your advice on how to deal with this pandemic then OP? If you were the PM what would be your plan in order to get us back to normality? Presumably your first act would be to ban all vaccines, but then what? | |||
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"Not 100% effective you say? Guess we should all stop using condoms then." Catholics or sloppy protestants (As per Monty Python.) already have | |||
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"If all the experts on here who profess to know it better than the scientists, who have done min 7 to 10 years in becoming a expert in their fields, all put their money where their mouth is may e we would have a better systems in place. I am not a scientist I am not a politician I am very good at what I do and think sticking to what I know best is the safest option. If this vaccine will slow and lower risks to life then I will take it. It's quite sad and disturbing that people feel they need to spread alarming and quite frankly misleading information. In a time where hope is more important for mental health, and providing a positive step forward. If we all united in a positive way we can achieve so much more and make this difficult situation more manageable. We cannot change what has happened but we can join to get her and have hope that it will get better. After all there are countries around the world that deal with far worse everyday and have done for years.. Let's focus on being positive and look to doing all that we can for each other. " | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. " How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work | |||
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"In sceptical about everything..I question everything.. is that a bad thing ?? I dont see how an effective vaccine can be created in a few months at the same time as the virus only now a year in existence is mutating and changing every day .. still not understood properly by the worlds experts yet we have a vaccine and people are queuing up in tens of thousands to have it believing its going to help . maybe it will allow governments to convince them who believe in it it has but common sense tells me none if it sounds realistic to me . I understand the need for some light at the end of this tunnel but really is society really that easily led? They have been working on the vaccine from the moment covid started technology as moved on in leaps and bounds since the last vaccine was made. Yet we are still years away from creating cures and vaccines for other illness and diseases killing people all the time.. nope sorry dont buy it All illnesses are different this covid is based on the flu and the common cold so I think that is why they have a better idea on how to make a vaccine for it just my thoughts. Appreciate ur thoughts but we still dont have a really effective vaccine for the flu or cold.. I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid .. none of it makes sense and I cant help feeling we are all just being either taken for mugs or nobody has a clue and they are winging it Covid death rates are three times higher than the death rate of the common flu based on the death to infection rate. As you said yourself you don't know the stats but i'd suggest you look into them as a lot of people are sharing misinformation that's actually harmful to your health" It would help if the information was accurate. Flu and Covid are now joined in the figures plus, anyone dying who may have been tested positive in the previous 28 days is put down as a Covid related death. Doesn't matter if they were in an rta or had a heart attack, or many other things. This year, the deaths are 14% higher than last year. That's ALL deaths. | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work " From the WHO website; How vaccines work. I trust this answers your question. Germs are all around us, both in our environment and in our bodies. When a person is susceptible and they encounter a harmful organism, it can lead to disease and death. The body has many ways of defending itself against pathogens (disease-causing organisms). Skin, mucus, and cilia (microscopic hairs that move debris away from the lungs) all work as physical barriers to prevent pathogens from entering the body in the first place. When a pathogen does infect the body, our body’s defences, called the immune system, are triggered and the pathogen is attacked and destroyed or overcome. The body's natural response; A pathogen is a bacterium, virus, parasite or fungus that can cause disease within the body. Each pathogen is made up of several subparts, usually unique to that specific pathogen and the disease it causes. The subpart of a pathogen that causes the formation of antibodies is called an antigen. The antibodies produced in response to the pathogen’s antigen are an important part of the immune system. You can consider antibodies as the soldiers in your body’s defense system. Each antibody, or soldier, in our system is trained to recognize one specific antigen. We have thousands of different antibodies in our bodies. When the human body is exposed to an antigen for the first time, it takes time for the immune system to respond and produce antibodies specific to that antigen. In the meantime, the person is susceptible to becoming ill. Once the antigen-specific antibodies are produced, they work with the rest of the immune system to destroy the pathogen and stop the disease. Antibodies to one pathogen generally don’t protect against another pathogen except when two pathogens are very similar to each other, like cousins. Once the body produces antibodies in its primary response to an antigen, it also creates antibody-producing memory cells, which remain alive even after the pathogen is defeated by the antibodies. If the body is exposed to the same pathogen more than once, the antibody response is much faster and more effective than the first time around because the memory cells are at the ready to pump out antibodies against that antigen. This means that if the person is exposed to the dangerous pathogen in the future, their immune system will be able to respond immediately, protecting against disease. How vaccines help; Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. Regardless of whether the vaccine is made up of the antigen itself or the blueprint so that the body will produce the antigen, this weakened version will not cause the disease in the person receiving the vaccine, but it will prompt their immune system to respond much as it would have on its first reaction to the actual pathogen. Some vaccines require multiple doses, given weeks or months apart. This is sometimes needed to allow for the production of long-lived antibodies and development of memory cells. In this way, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it if and when exposed in the future. You're welcome. E | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work From the WHO website; How vaccines work. I trust this answers your question. Germs are all around us, both in our environment and in our bodies. When a person is susceptible and they encounter a harmful organism, it can lead to disease and death. The body has many ways of defending itself against pathogens (disease-causing organisms). Skin, mucus, and cilia (microscopic hairs that move debris away from the lungs) all work as physical barriers to prevent pathogens from entering the body in the first place. When a pathogen does infect the body, our body’s defences, called the immune system, are triggered and the pathogen is attacked and destroyed or overcome. The body's natural response; A pathogen is a bacterium, virus, parasite or fungus that can cause disease within the body. Each pathogen is made up of several subparts, usually unique to that specific pathogen and the disease it causes. The subpart of a pathogen that causes the formation of antibodies is called an antigen. The antibodies produced in response to the pathogen’s antigen are an important part of the immune system. You can consider antibodies as the soldiers in your body’s defense system. Each antibody, or soldier, in our system is trained to recognize one specific antigen. We have thousands of different antibodies in our bodies. When the human body is exposed to an antigen for the first time, it takes time for the immune system to respond and produce antibodies specific to that antigen. In the meantime, the person is susceptible to becoming ill. Once the antigen-specific antibodies are produced, they work with the rest of the immune system to destroy the pathogen and stop the disease. Antibodies to one pathogen generally don’t protect against another pathogen except when two pathogens are very similar to each other, like cousins. Once the body produces antibodies in its primary response to an antigen, it also creates antibody-producing memory cells, which remain alive even after the pathogen is defeated by the antibodies. If the body is exposed to the same pathogen more than once, the antibody response is much faster and more effective than the first time around because the memory cells are at the ready to pump out antibodies against that antigen. This means that if the person is exposed to the dangerous pathogen in the future, their immune system will be able to respond immediately, protecting against disease. How vaccines help; Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. Regardless of whether the vaccine is made up of the antigen itself or the blueprint so that the body will produce the antigen, this weakened version will not cause the disease in the person receiving the vaccine, but it will prompt their immune system to respond much as it would have on its first reaction to the actual pathogen. Some vaccines require multiple doses, given weeks or months apart. This is sometimes needed to allow for the production of long-lived antibodies and development of memory cells. In this way, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it if and when exposed in the future. You're welcome. E " Haha brilliant  | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? " I think that you don't quite understand how a vaccine works. To stop a viral epidemic, the main priority ut to break the chain of transmission. The more people who have ANY type of immunity, the less opportunities there are for the virus to spread. It only really takes around 50% of the population to be immune to ensure the viral infection rate is low enough to prevent epidemic level infections. The main vaccines have been shown to be about 95% effective (which very high) and have shown to protect against the current variations of COVID-19. It is obviously possible that new variants could be different enough that the vaccine doesn't protect against them... but thats not currently the case. Cal | |||
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"And all the while making huge profit for big pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders ... hmm .. seems legit
I just don't get the negativity about this. Its a vaccine that gives you immunity to Covid. What's to carp about? What's to think about?
Yes the Pharma's will make money. So? Do you work for nothing. Amazon has been making millions from the Pandemic.
The government have been spending money hand over fist throughout the Pandemic. Can't go on for ever & here's the way out. Or just go catch the virus and get your immunity that way. You have a choice.
It doesn't make you immune or unable to pass the virus on. It lessens the symptoms. "I don't really get why this is still a thing. Situation A - Karen doesn't get vaxxed: Karen has covid. She splutters her little heart out all over the dairy aisle in Tesco, spewing out a massive viral emission that floats in the air for a bit and then lands all over the floor and the milk. Kevin's out buying milk for his mum. He gets infected by one of the bottles covered in Karen's spew and passes it on to his mum. Kevin's mum dies two weeks later. Situation B - Karen gets vaxxed: Karen has covid. She has a tickle in her throat but nothing a Strepsil can't manage. The small cloud of viral emissions from her breathing floats around for a bit but most of it just falls to the floor. The tiny bit that does land on the milk is not big enough of a viral load to infect Kevin. His mum lives to the ripe old age of 94. (info on viral emissions taken from paper titled Estimation of Viral Aerosol Emissions From Simulated Individuals With Asymptomatic to Moderate Coronavirus Disease 2019, and also common sense) | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work " The vaccine will limit your viral load so you won’t get as sick (so a mild case won’t develop) The vaccine will limit your viral load so you won’t be shedding virus in high enough volume to pass it on. | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work From the WHO website; How vaccines work. I trust this answers your question. Germs are all around us, both in our environment and in our bodies. When a person is susceptible and they encounter a harmful organism, it can lead to disease and death. The body has many ways of defending itself against pathogens (disease-causing organisms). Skin, mucus, and cilia (microscopic hairs that move debris away from the lungs) all work as physical barriers to prevent pathogens from entering the body in the first place. When a pathogen does infect the body, our body’s defences, called the immune system, are triggered and the pathogen is attacked and destroyed or overcome. The body's natural response; A pathogen is a bacterium, virus, parasite or fungus that can cause disease within the body. Each pathogen is made up of several subparts, usually unique to that specific pathogen and the disease it causes. The subpart of a pathogen that causes the formation of antibodies is called an antigen. The antibodies produced in response to the pathogen’s antigen are an important part of the immune system. You can consider antibodies as the soldiers in your body’s defense system. Each antibody, or soldier, in our system is trained to recognize one specific antigen. We have thousands of different antibodies in our bodies. When the human body is exposed to an antigen for the first time, it takes time for the immune system to respond and produce antibodies specific to that antigen. In the meantime, the person is susceptible to becoming ill. Once the antigen-specific antibodies are produced, they work with the rest of the immune system to destroy the pathogen and stop the disease. Antibodies to one pathogen generally don’t protect against another pathogen except when two pathogens are very similar to each other, like cousins. Once the body produces antibodies in its primary response to an antigen, it also creates antibody-producing memory cells, which remain alive even after the pathogen is defeated by the antibodies. If the body is exposed to the same pathogen more than once, the antibody response is much faster and more effective than the first time around because the memory cells are at the ready to pump out antibodies against that antigen. This means that if the person is exposed to the dangerous pathogen in the future, their immune system will be able to respond immediately, protecting against disease. How vaccines help; Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. Regardless of whether the vaccine is made up of the antigen itself or the blueprint so that the body will produce the antigen, this weakened version will not cause the disease in the person receiving the vaccine, but it will prompt their immune system to respond much as it would have on its first reaction to the actual pathogen. Some vaccines require multiple doses, given weeks or months apart. This is sometimes needed to allow for the production of long-lived antibodies and development of memory cells. In this way, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it if and when exposed in the future. You're welcome. E " Do you think the OP was asking in good faith? | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work From the WHO website; How vaccines work. I trust this answers your question. Germs are all around us, both in our environment and in our bodies. When a person is susceptible and they encounter a harmful organism, it can lead to disease and death. The body has many ways of defending itself against pathogens (disease-causing organisms). Skin, mucus, and cilia (microscopic hairs that move debris away from the lungs) all work as physical barriers to prevent pathogens from entering the body in the first place. When a pathogen does infect the body, our body’s defences, called the immune system, are triggered and the pathogen is attacked and destroyed or overcome. The body's natural response; A pathogen is a bacterium, virus, parasite or fungus that can cause disease within the body. Each pathogen is made up of several subparts, usually unique to that specific pathogen and the disease it causes. The subpart of a pathogen that causes the formation of antibodies is called an antigen. The antibodies produced in response to the pathogen’s antigen are an important part of the immune system. You can consider antibodies as the soldiers in your body’s defense system. Each antibody, or soldier, in our system is trained to recognize one specific antigen. We have thousands of different antibodies in our bodies. When the human body is exposed to an antigen for the first time, it takes time for the immune system to respond and produce antibodies specific to that antigen. In the meantime, the person is susceptible to becoming ill. Once the antigen-specific antibodies are produced, they work with the rest of the immune system to destroy the pathogen and stop the disease. Antibodies to one pathogen generally don’t protect against another pathogen except when two pathogens are very similar to each other, like cousins. Once the body produces antibodies in its primary response to an antigen, it also creates antibody-producing memory cells, which remain alive even after the pathogen is defeated by the antibodies. If the body is exposed to the same pathogen more than once, the antibody response is much faster and more effective than the first time around because the memory cells are at the ready to pump out antibodies against that antigen. This means that if the person is exposed to the dangerous pathogen in the future, their immune system will be able to respond immediately, protecting against disease. How vaccines help; Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. Regardless of whether the vaccine is made up of the antigen itself or the blueprint so that the body will produce the antigen, this weakened version will not cause the disease in the person receiving the vaccine, but it will prompt their immune system to respond much as it would have on its first reaction to the actual pathogen. Some vaccines require multiple doses, given weeks or months apart. This is sometimes needed to allow for the production of long-lived antibodies and development of memory cells. In this way, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it if and when exposed in the future. You're welcome. E Do you think the OP was asking in good faith?" No. Told him anyway.
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"Everyone who received the first smallpox vaccine in 1778 has died. Makes you think doesn't it..... E" | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work From the WHO website; How vaccines work. I trust this answers your question. Germs are all around us, both in our environment and in our bodies. When a person is susceptible and they encounter a harmful organism, it can lead to disease and death. The body has many ways of defending itself against pathogens (disease-causing organisms). Skin, mucus, and cilia (microscopic hairs that move debris away from the lungs) all work as physical barriers to prevent pathogens from entering the body in the first place. When a pathogen does infect the body, our body’s defences, called the immune system, are triggered and the pathogen is attacked and destroyed or overcome. The body's natural response; A pathogen is a bacterium, virus, parasite or fungus that can cause disease within the body. Each pathogen is made up of several subparts, usually unique to that specific pathogen and the disease it causes. The subpart of a pathogen that causes the formation of antibodies is called an antigen. The antibodies produced in response to the pathogen’s antigen are an important part of the immune system. You can consider antibodies as the soldiers in your body’s defense system. Each antibody, or soldier, in our system is trained to recognize one specific antigen. We have thousands of different antibodies in our bodies. When the human body is exposed to an antigen for the first time, it takes time for the immune system to respond and produce antibodies specific to that antigen. In the meantime, the person is susceptible to becoming ill. Once the antigen-specific antibodies are produced, they work with the rest of the immune system to destroy the pathogen and stop the disease. Antibodies to one pathogen generally don’t protect against another pathogen except when two pathogens are very similar to each other, like cousins. Once the body produces antibodies in its primary response to an antigen, it also creates antibody-producing memory cells, which remain alive even after the pathogen is defeated by the antibodies. If the body is exposed to the same pathogen more than once, the antibody response is much faster and more effective than the first time around because the memory cells are at the ready to pump out antibodies against that antigen. This means that if the person is exposed to the dangerous pathogen in the future, their immune system will be able to respond immediately, protecting against disease. How vaccines help; Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. Regardless of whether the vaccine is made up of the antigen itself or the blueprint so that the body will produce the antigen, this weakened version will not cause the disease in the person receiving the vaccine, but it will prompt their immune system to respond much as it would have on its first reaction to the actual pathogen. Some vaccines require multiple doses, given weeks or months apart. This is sometimes needed to allow for the production of long-lived antibodies and development of memory cells. In this way, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it if and when exposed in the future. You're welcome. E " So no guarantee that you won't contract it or spread it and nothing there to say how often. Very informative | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? I think that you don't quite understand how a vaccine works. To stop a viral epidemic, the main priority ut to break the chain of transmission. The more people who have ANY type of immunity, the less opportunities there are for the virus to spread. It only really takes around 50% of the population to be immune to ensure the viral infection rate is low enough to prevent epidemic level infections. The main vaccines have been shown to be about 95% effective (which very high) and have shown to protect against the current variations of COVID-19. It is obviously possible that new variants could be different enough that the vaccine doesn't protect against them... but thats not currently the case. Cal" So therefore get 60% if the population to get it and the other 40% will be ok. Sounds reasonable | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? I don't know why some are attacking the OP on this thread for asking questions and offering her opinion. The lack of tolerance on these threads by some is truly astounding. To the OP, 1. I don't know, 2. Maybe better than nothing as it may protect those who are more vulnerable. " I have also noticed that, there is no reason for it. I guess cos it gives some hope over it, there was an interesting question goldman sachs had to big pharma about vaccines before the outbreak happened. | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work From the WHO website; How vaccines work. I trust this answers your question. Germs are all around us, both in our environment and in our bodies. When a person is susceptible and they encounter a harmful organism, it can lead to disease and death. The body has many ways of defending itself against pathogens (disease-causing organisms). Skin, mucus, and cilia (microscopic hairs that move debris away from the lungs) all work as physical barriers to prevent pathogens from entering the body in the first place. When a pathogen does infect the body, our body’s defences, called the immune system, are triggered and the pathogen is attacked and destroyed or overcome. The body's natural response; A pathogen is a bacterium, virus, parasite or fungus that can cause disease within the body. Each pathogen is made up of several subparts, usually unique to that specific pathogen and the disease it causes. The subpart of a pathogen that causes the formation of antibodies is called an antigen. The antibodies produced in response to the pathogen’s antigen are an important part of the immune system. You can consider antibodies as the soldiers in your body’s defense system. Each antibody, or soldier, in our system is trained to recognize one specific antigen. We have thousands of different antibodies in our bodies. When the human body is exposed to an antigen for the first time, it takes time for the immune system to respond and produce antibodies specific to that antigen. In the meantime, the person is susceptible to becoming ill. Once the antigen-specific antibodies are produced, they work with the rest of the immune system to destroy the pathogen and stop the disease. Antibodies to one pathogen generally don’t protect against another pathogen except when two pathogens are very similar to each other, like cousins. Once the body produces antibodies in its primary response to an antigen, it also creates antibody-producing memory cells, which remain alive even after the pathogen is defeated by the antibodies. If the body is exposed to the same pathogen more than once, the antibody response is much faster and more effective than the first time around because the memory cells are at the ready to pump out antibodies against that antigen. This means that if the person is exposed to the dangerous pathogen in the future, their immune system will be able to respond immediately, protecting against disease. How vaccines help; Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. Regardless of whether the vaccine is made up of the antigen itself or the blueprint so that the body will produce the antigen, this weakened version will not cause the disease in the person receiving the vaccine, but it will prompt their immune system to respond much as it would have on its first reaction to the actual pathogen. Some vaccines require multiple doses, given weeks or months apart. This is sometimes needed to allow for the production of long-lived antibodies and development of memory cells. In this way, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it if and when exposed in the future. You're welcome. E So no guarantee that you won't contract it or spread it and nothing there to say how often. Very informative "
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work From the WHO website; How vaccines work. I trust this answers your question. Germs are all around us, both in our environment and in our bodies. When a person is susceptible and they encounter a harmful organism, it can lead to disease and death. The body has many ways of defending itself against pathogens (disease-causing organisms). Skin, mucus, and cilia (microscopic hairs that move debris away from the lungs) all work as physical barriers to prevent pathogens from entering the body in the first place. When a pathogen does infect the body, our body’s defences, called the immune system, are triggered and the pathogen is attacked and destroyed or overcome. The body's natural response; A pathogen is a bacterium, virus, parasite or fungus that can cause disease within the body. Each pathogen is made up of several subparts, usually unique to that specific pathogen and the disease it causes. The subpart of a pathogen that causes the formation of antibodies is called an antigen. The antibodies produced in response to the pathogen’s antigen are an important part of the immune system. You can consider antibodies as the soldiers in your body’s defense system. Each antibody, or soldier, in our system is trained to recognize one specific antigen. We have thousands of different antibodies in our bodies. When the human body is exposed to an antigen for the first time, it takes time for the immune system to respond and produce antibodies specific to that antigen. In the meantime, the person is susceptible to becoming ill. Once the antigen-specific antibodies are produced, they work with the rest of the immune system to destroy the pathogen and stop the disease. Antibodies to one pathogen generally don’t protect against another pathogen except when two pathogens are very similar to each other, like cousins. Once the body produces antibodies in its primary response to an antigen, it also creates antibody-producing memory cells, which remain alive even after the pathogen is defeated by the antibodies. If the body is exposed to the same pathogen more than once, the antibody response is much faster and more effective than the first time around because the memory cells are at the ready to pump out antibodies against that antigen. This means that if the person is exposed to the dangerous pathogen in the future, their immune system will be able to respond immediately, protecting against disease. How vaccines help; Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. Regardless of whether the vaccine is made up of the antigen itself or the blueprint so that the body will produce the antigen, this weakened version will not cause the disease in the person receiving the vaccine, but it will prompt their immune system to respond much as it would have on its first reaction to the actual pathogen. Some vaccines require multiple doses, given weeks or months apart. This is sometimes needed to allow for the production of long-lived antibodies and development of memory cells. In this way, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it if and when exposed in the future. You're welcome. E So no guarantee that you won't contract it or spread it and nothing there to say how often. Very informative " We're not looking for guarantees from the vaccine of not getting it. We are looking at getting the R rate below 1 so that virus dies out and, when that happens, you WILL have a guarantee of not getting it. If you and enough others don't get the vaccine, what I can guarantee is that you will get covid at some point in the future unless you lock yourself up... | |||
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Most of all I hope that the nursing home I work,never has to go through what we went through in April,when we had alot of covid within the home and 4 residents died,it was one of the worst experiences of my 35 years as a carer,I never want to feel that helpless again
I believe that the more people that have the vaccine,the virus will fizzle out
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work From the WHO website; How vaccines work. I trust this answers your question. Germs are all around us, both in our environment and in our bodies. When a person is susceptible and they encounter a harmful organism, it can lead to disease and death. The body has many ways of defending itself against pathogens (disease-causing organisms). Skin, mucus, and cilia (microscopic hairs that move debris away from the lungs) all work as physical barriers to prevent pathogens from entering the body in the first place. When a pathogen does infect the body, our body’s defences, called the immune system, are triggered and the pathogen is attacked and destroyed or overcome. The body's natural response; A pathogen is a bacterium, virus, parasite or fungus that can cause disease within the body. Each pathogen is made up of several subparts, usually unique to that specific pathogen and the disease it causes. The subpart of a pathogen that causes the formation of antibodies is called an antigen. The antibodies produced in response to the pathogen’s antigen are an important part of the immune system. You can consider antibodies as the soldiers in your body’s defense system. Each antibody, or soldier, in our system is trained to recognize one specific antigen. We have thousands of different antibodies in our bodies. When the human body is exposed to an antigen for the first time, it takes time for the immune system to respond and produce antibodies specific to that antigen. In the meantime, the person is susceptible to becoming ill. Once the antigen-specific antibodies are produced, they work with the rest of the immune system to destroy the pathogen and stop the disease. Antibodies to one pathogen generally don’t protect against another pathogen except when two pathogens are very similar to each other, like cousins. Once the body produces antibodies in its primary response to an antigen, it also creates antibody-producing memory cells, which remain alive even after the pathogen is defeated by the antibodies. If the body is exposed to the same pathogen more than once, the antibody response is much faster and more effective than the first time around because the memory cells are at the ready to pump out antibodies against that antigen. This means that if the person is exposed to the dangerous pathogen in the future, their immune system will be able to respond immediately, protecting against disease. How vaccines help; Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. Regardless of whether the vaccine is made up of the antigen itself or the blueprint so that the body will produce the antigen, this weakened version will not cause the disease in the person receiving the vaccine, but it will prompt their immune system to respond much as it would have on its first reaction to the actual pathogen. Some vaccines require multiple doses, given weeks or months apart. This is sometimes needed to allow for the production of long-lived antibodies and development of memory cells. In this way, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it if and when exposed in the future. You're welcome. E So no guarantee that you won't contract it or spread it and nothing there to say how often. Very informative We're not looking for guarantees from the vaccine of not getting it. We are looking at getting the R rate below 1 so that virus dies out and, when that happens, you WILL have a guarantee of not getting it. If you and enough others don't get the vaccine, what I can guarantee is that you will get covid at some point in the future unless you lock yourself up..." The virus has been below 1 a few times then flares up again. At no point did I say I wasn't getting the vaccine. Plus, you're also assuming that I haven't had it. Assumptions aren't facts however many times you say it | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work From the WHO website; How vaccines work. I trust this answers your question. Germs are all around us, both in our environment and in our bodies. When a person is susceptible and they encounter a harmful organism, it can lead to disease and death. The body has many ways of defending itself against pathogens (disease-causing organisms). Skin, mucus, and cilia (microscopic hairs that move debris away from the lungs) all work as physical barriers to prevent pathogens from entering the body in the first place. When a pathogen does infect the body, our body’s defences, called the immune system, are triggered and the pathogen is attacked and destroyed or overcome. The body's natural response; A pathogen is a bacterium, virus, parasite or fungus that can cause disease within the body. Each pathogen is made up of several subparts, usually unique to that specific pathogen and the disease it causes. The subpart of a pathogen that causes the formation of antibodies is called an antigen. The antibodies produced in response to the pathogen’s antigen are an important part of the immune system. You can consider antibodies as the soldiers in your body’s defense system. Each antibody, or soldier, in our system is trained to recognize one specific antigen. We have thousands of different antibodies in our bodies. When the human body is exposed to an antigen for the first time, it takes time for the immune system to respond and produce antibodies specific to that antigen. In the meantime, the person is susceptible to becoming ill. Once the antigen-specific antibodies are produced, they work with the rest of the immune system to destroy the pathogen and stop the disease. Antibodies to one pathogen generally don’t protect against another pathogen except when two pathogens are very similar to each other, like cousins. Once the body produces antibodies in its primary response to an antigen, it also creates antibody-producing memory cells, which remain alive even after the pathogen is defeated by the antibodies. If the body is exposed to the same pathogen more than once, the antibody response is much faster and more effective than the first time around because the memory cells are at the ready to pump out antibodies against that antigen. This means that if the person is exposed to the dangerous pathogen in the future, their immune system will be able to respond immediately, protecting against disease. How vaccines help; Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. Regardless of whether the vaccine is made up of the antigen itself or the blueprint so that the body will produce the antigen, this weakened version will not cause the disease in the person receiving the vaccine, but it will prompt their immune system to respond much as it would have on its first reaction to the actual pathogen. Some vaccines require multiple doses, given weeks or months apart. This is sometimes needed to allow for the production of long-lived antibodies and development of memory cells. In this way, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it if and when exposed in the future. You're welcome. E So no guarantee that you won't contract it or spread it and nothing there to say how often. Very informative We're not looking for guarantees from the vaccine of not getting it. We are looking at getting the R rate below 1 so that virus dies out and, when that happens, you WILL have a guarantee of not getting it. If you and enough others don't get the vaccine, what I can guarantee is that you will get covid at some point in the future unless you lock yourself up... The virus has been below 1 a few times then flares up again. At no point did I say I wasn't getting the vaccine. Plus, you're also assuming that I haven't had it. Assumptions aren't facts however many times you say it" Any idea why the R rate flares up above 1 again? E | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it" Exactly this - and partly why I don't care about those who won't have it, (the rest will come to save you by our actions of having it - no change there then I guess!) but I do care about those who have influence over those who might but are undecided, or Guardians that have the power of that choice on their behalf.
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work From the WHO website; How vaccines work. I trust this answers your question. Germs are all around us, both in our environment and in our bodies. When a person is susceptible and they encounter a harmful organism, it can lead to disease and death. The body has many ways of defending itself against pathogens (disease-causing organisms). Skin, mucus, and cilia (microscopic hairs that move debris away from the lungs) all work as physical barriers to prevent pathogens from entering the body in the first place. When a pathogen does infect the body, our body’s defences, called the immune system, are triggered and the pathogen is attacked and destroyed or overcome. The body's natural response; A pathogen is a bacterium, virus, parasite or fungus that can cause disease within the body. Each pathogen is made up of several subparts, usually unique to that specific pathogen and the disease it causes. The subpart of a pathogen that causes the formation of antibodies is called an antigen. The antibodies produced in response to the pathogen’s antigen are an important part of the immune system. You can consider antibodies as the soldiers in your body’s defense system. Each antibody, or soldier, in our system is trained to recognize one specific antigen. We have thousands of different antibodies in our bodies. When the human body is exposed to an antigen for the first time, it takes time for the immune system to respond and produce antibodies specific to that antigen. In the meantime, the person is susceptible to becoming ill. Once the antigen-specific antibodies are produced, they work with the rest of the immune system to destroy the pathogen and stop the disease. Antibodies to one pathogen generally don’t protect against another pathogen except when two pathogens are very similar to each other, like cousins. Once the body produces antibodies in its primary response to an antigen, it also creates antibody-producing memory cells, which remain alive even after the pathogen is defeated by the antibodies. If the body is exposed to the same pathogen more than once, the antibody response is much faster and more effective than the first time around because the memory cells are at the ready to pump out antibodies against that antigen. This means that if the person is exposed to the dangerous pathogen in the future, their immune system will be able to respond immediately, protecting against disease. How vaccines help; Vaccines contain weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Newer vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. Regardless of whether the vaccine is made up of the antigen itself or the blueprint so that the body will produce the antigen, this weakened version will not cause the disease in the person receiving the vaccine, but it will prompt their immune system to respond much as it would have on its first reaction to the actual pathogen. Some vaccines require multiple doses, given weeks or months apart. This is sometimes needed to allow for the production of long-lived antibodies and development of memory cells. In this way, the body is trained to fight the specific disease-causing organism, building up memory of the pathogen so as to rapidly fight it if and when exposed in the future. You're welcome. E So no guarantee that you won't contract it or spread it and nothing there to say how often. Very informative We're not looking for guarantees from the vaccine of not getting it. We are looking at getting the R rate below 1 so that virus dies out and, when that happens, you WILL have a guarantee of not getting it. If you and enough others don't get the vaccine, what I can guarantee is that you will get covid at some point in the future unless you lock yourself up... The virus has been below 1 a few times then flares up again. At no point did I say I wasn't getting the vaccine. Plus, you're also assuming that I haven't had it. Assumptions aren't facts however many times you say it Any idea why the R rate flares up above 1 again? E" It has typically happened here once restrictions are relaxed, such that people are engaging socially to a greater extent. The new variant is reported as upto 70% more contagious, or something - although no published studies are out. This could potentially get the R value above 1.0, with reduced social contact, because it's easier to catch. If we have both, such as with Christmas engagement whilst it's the prevalent variant, it could easily take it above 1. | |||
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"Everyone who received the first smallpox vaccine in 1778 has died. Makes you think doesn't it..... E" Everyone from 1778 who didn't take the first smallpox vaccine has died.... Now that really makes you think! | |||
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"Everyone who received the first smallpox vaccine in 1778 has died. Makes you think doesn't it..... E Everyone from 1778 who didn't take the first smallpox vaccine has died.... Now that really makes you think!" Coincidence.....
At least the 1778 vaccine didn't have a Bill Gates chip in it.
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"Everyone who received the first smallpox vaccine in 1778 has died. Makes you think doesn't it..... E Everyone from 1778 who didn't take the first smallpox vaccine has died.... Now that really makes you think! Coincidence.....
At least the 1778 vaccine didn't have a Bill Gates chip in it.
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"Everyone who received the first smallpox vaccine in 1778 has died. Makes you think doesn't it..... E Everyone from 1778 who didn't take the first smallpox vaccine has died.... Now that really makes you think! Coincidence.....
At least the 1778 vaccine didn't have a Bill Gates chip in it.
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" How do you know that Bill Gates is very clever he could easily have travelled back in time put the chips in the vaccine "Well if he had that ability he would have talked himself out of Windows ME... | |||
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"Hubby and I were very cynical about the vaccine. very much on the ‘who stands to benefit the most’ mentality. We basically figured that because we are middle aged professionals who live a healthy lifestyle, we were prepared to take our chances. We’re prettt sure Hubby had it back in Feb anyway. Having done a lot of our own research, and looking at the potential mutation rate, we are thinking that one of the most socially responsible things our generation can do is to help slow the spread by being vaccinated, which in turn reduces chances of deadlier variants mutating. We are not being asked to go and fight a war. Some of the Pharma companies such as AstraZenica took the financial risk of manufacturing so that it would be available much earlier if the trials proved effective. Yes they will stand to benefit massively, but have also adopted production clauses that nonprofit should be made from selling to developing countries etc. That’s just business" I love you. E | |||
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" How do you know that Bill Gates is very clever he could easily have travelled back in time put the chips in the vaccine
Well if he had that ability he would have talked himself out of Windows ME... "
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? I think that you don't quite understand how a vaccine works. To stop a viral epidemic, the main priority ut to break the chain of transmission. The more people who have ANY type of immunity, the less opportunities there are for the virus to spread. It only really takes around 50% of the population to be immune to ensure the viral infection rate is low enough to prevent epidemic level infections. The main vaccines have been shown to be about 95% effective (which very high) and have shown to protect against the current variations of COVID-19. It is obviously possible that new variants could be different enough that the vaccine doesn't protect against them... but thats not currently the case. Cal ----- So therefore get 60% if the population to get it and the other 40% will be ok. Sounds reasonable " Nobody will be forced to receive it, people have the choice. If your paranoia has scared you, then don't take it. The more people who have it though, the sooner things will get back to normal. Cal | |||
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"Hubby and I were very cynical about the vaccine. very much on the ‘who stands to benefit the most’ mentality. We basically figured that because we are middle aged professionals who live a healthy lifestyle, we were prepared to take our chances. We’re prettt sure Hubby had it back in Feb anyway. Having done a lot of our own research, and looking at the potential mutation rate, we are thinking that one of the most socially responsible things our generation can do is to help slow the spread by being vaccinated, which in turn reduces chances of deadlier variants mutating. We are not being asked to go and fight a war. Some of the Pharma companies such as AstraZenica took the financial risk of manufacturing so that it would be available much earlier if the trials proved effective. Yes they will stand to benefit massively, but have also adopted production clauses that nonprofit should be made from selling to developing countries etc. That’s just business" | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? 70% efficacy is enough to create herd immunity if, and it's a big if, enough people take it. As an example the TB vaccine is only between 70% and 80% effective, but has by and large wiped out TB. People are misunderstanding what efficacy means and the fact that the current vaccines are somewhere around 90% is basically unheard of, they're as close to a sliver bullet as you'll get for any illness as long as everyone takes it That is so true why can't people just get the vaccine when they can and stop being negative about it you just can't please some people the sooner I get it the better. Why are u so desperate to get it .. what do u think will change if u do ? Because if I have the vaccine and others do immunity Will get stronger even if covid is still around less and less people will get it and it will get weaker. But the vaccine doesnt stop u getting it it only apparently stops u developing the most serious symptoms.. its doenst stop u getting it or transmitting it True but if more people get the vaccine less people will get it then you can not transmit it because more people will have been vaccinated. How do you work that out? The vaccine does NOT stop you getting the virus The vaccine does NOT stop you passing it on so how does your comment work " It doesn't, is the simple answer. It's not the miracle, instant cure that most seem to think it is. | |||
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"Why is everybody getting so excited and desperate to take a vaccine that doesn't even promise any kind of real protection against a constantly mutating virus ? Is it because its better than nothing? " Condoms are 98% effective at protecting against most STIs like chlamydia and gonorrhoea. However, condoms don't protect you from all STIs such as herpes, genital warts and syphilis which can be spread from skin-to-skin contact. Yet people meet others and have sex. | |||
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"If you want to be controlled take the vaccine. If you are so deluded that you think things will be back to normal i feel sorry for you. It's so rushed, not tested properly and the government are desperate for everyone to take it. Have you even asked yourself why? " Again you've embarrassed yourself with the basic lack of knowledge on this. "So rushed" "not tested" ... why are "they" desperate for people totake it. hmm a vaccine, and a pandemic... I couldn't possibly guess. Must be a microchip or something I'm not in Facebook you will have to excuse my ignorance | |||
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"If you want to be controlled take the vaccine. If you are so deluded that you think things will be back to normal i feel sorry for you. It's so rushed, not tested properly and the government are desperate for everyone to take it. Have you even asked yourself why? Again you've embarrassed yourself with the basic lack of knowledge on this. "So rushed" "not tested" ... why are "they" desperate for people totake it. hmm a vaccine, and a pandemic... I couldn't possibly guess. Must be a microchip or something I'm not in Facebook you will have to excuse my ignorance "Again!! You may mock but one day the truth will out. You don't have to be on Facebook, I'm not just for the record. Just look at the bigger picture. Have you seen what's in the vaccine? How long do you think it will take to vaccination even half the population who might want to take it? Try and see the bigger picture not the lies the government tell you. | |||
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" You may mock but one day the truth will out. You don't have to be on Facebook, I'm not just for the record. Just look at the bigger picture. Have you seen what's in the vaccine? How long do you think it will take to vaccination even half the population who might want to take it? Try and see the bigger picture not the lies the government tell you. " Do you drink water? All the waterboards in the UK put poison in the water but it is safe to drink. Many fish contain mercury another poison but people safely eat fish. Try doing a little research and discover the real facts rather than trying to scaremonger. | |||
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"If you want to be controlled take the vaccine. If you are so deluded that you think things will be back to normal i feel sorry for you. It's so rushed, not tested properly and the government are desperate for everyone to take it. Have you even asked yourself why? Again you've embarrassed yourself with the basic lack of knowledge on this. "So rushed" "not tested" ... why are "they" desperate for people totake it. hmm a vaccine, and a pandemic... I couldn't possibly guess. Must be a microchip or something I'm not in Facebook you will have to excuse my ignorance
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You may mock but one day the truth will out. You don't have to be on Facebook, I'm not just for the record. Just look at the bigger picture. Have you seen what's in the vaccine?
How long do you think it will take to vaccination even half the population who might want to take it?
Try and see the bigger picture not the lies the government tell you. "What are the lies ? What do you think is in the vaccine Please can you also tell us what medication you are on . And how can we get some. Try reading the the information onthe vaccine from a reputable source like the BMA medical journal or other recognised source not the local tabloids or what jim down the pub said | |||
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"If you want to be controlled take the vaccine. If you are so deluded that you think things will be back to normal i feel sorry for you. It's so rushed, not tested properly and the government are desperate for everyone to take it. Have you even asked yourself why? Again you've embarrassed yourself with the basic lack of knowledge on this. "So rushed" "not tested" ... why are "they" desperate for people totake it. hmm a vaccine, and a pandemic... I couldn't possibly guess. Must be a microchip or something I'm not in Facebook you will have to excuse my ignorance
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You may mock but one day the truth will out. You don't have to be on Facebook, I'm not just for the record. Just look at the bigger picture. Have you seen what's in the vaccine?
How long do you think it will take to vaccination even half the population who might want to take it?
Try and see the bigger picture not the lies the government tell you.
What are the lies ?
What do you think is in the vaccine
Please can you also tell us what medication you are on . And how can we get some.
Try reading the the information onthe vaccine from a reputable source like the BMA medical journal or other recognised source not the local tabloids or what jim down the pub said "Good one. I'm actually on fresh air and living a normal life. Not masked controlled. Thanks for your concern | |||
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"Back to our original question What do you think is in it ?" I don't think i know what's in it. I just don't trust the vaccine or this government. Hancock is a mini hitler, power gone to his head. Fake tears on tv. If it a free choice why are they trying to make it so difficult for the sensible people who don't want to take it, travel etc. The new strain of virus! Convenient timing for boris. Do you trust anything he says? | |||
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"If you want to be controlled take the vaccine. If you are so deluded that you think things will be back to normal i feel sorry for you. It's so rushed, not tested properly and the government are desperate for everyone to take it. Have you even asked yourself why? Again you've embarrassed yourself with the basic lack of knowledge on this. "So rushed" "not tested" ... why are "they" desperate for people totake it. hmm a vaccine, and a pandemic... I couldn't possibly guess. Must be a microchip or something I'm not in Facebook you will have to excuse my ignorance
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You may mock but one day the truth will out. You don't have to be on Facebook, I'm not just for the record. Just look at the bigger picture. Have you seen what's in the vaccine?
How long do you think it will take to vaccination even half the population who might want to take it?
Try and see the bigger picture not the lies the government tell you.
What are the lies ?
What do you think is in the vaccine
Please can you also tell us what medication you are on . And how can we get some.
Try reading the the information onthe vaccine from a reputable source like the BMA medical journal or other recognised source not the local tabloids or what jim down the pub said "Bloody heck, we have successfully vaccinated over a thousand patients in the last week, give us some credit for knowing what we are going,MHRA would never have okayed the vaccine if it wasn't researched and safe, dont have it if you are skeptical, more for those of us who trust the science | |||
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"If you want to be controlled take the vaccine. If you are so deluded that you think things will be back to normal i feel sorry for you. It's so rushed, not tested properly and the government are desperate for everyone to take it. Have you even asked yourself why? Again you've embarrassed yourself with the basic lack of knowledge on this. "So rushed" "not tested" ... why are "they" desperate for people totake it. hmm a vaccine, and a pandemic... I couldn't possibly guess. Must be a microchip or something I'm not in Facebook you will have to excuse my ignorance
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You may mock but one day the truth will out. You don't have to be on Facebook, I'm not just for the record. Just look at the bigger picture. Have you seen what's in the vaccine?
How long do you think it will take to vaccination even half the population who might want to take it?
Try and see the bigger picture not the lies the government tell you.
What are the lies ?
What do you think is in the vaccine
Please can you also tell us what medication you are on . And how can we get some.
Try reading the the information onthe vaccine from a reputable source like the BMA medical journal or other recognised source not the local tabloids or what jim down the pub said
Bloody heck, we have successfully vaccinated over a thousand patients in the last week, give us some credit for knowing what we are going,MHRA would never have okayed the vaccine if it wasn't researched and safe, dont have it if you are skeptical, more for those of us who trust the science". Thanks for your input. Have you researched it? | |||
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"If you want to be controlled take the vaccine. If you are so deluded that you think things will be back to normal i feel sorry for you. It's so rushed, not tested properly and the government are desperate for everyone to take it. Have you even asked yourself why? " I bet you can't even see the irony of using the word 'deluded' in amongst all that nonsense. | |||
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" Saying that more people are dying of flu than covid is rubbish. Extremely dangerous to make such false claims. I never said that .. please read the whole post You said: I've not looked at the figures but I believe more people are still dying of flu than covid. Sorry people are still dying of flu as well as covid reliable source please? How many is some? 2 would count as some... I'm sure I could google up a bbc link somewhere haha please do. BBC or some conspiracy site. Just not something you made up on the spot to help your "argument". " But people do die of flu its not outrageous to suggest that may still be the case surely | |||
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"If you want to be controlled take the vaccine. If you are so deluded that you think things will be back to normal i feel sorry for you. It's so rushed, not tested properly and the government are desperate for everyone to take it. Have you even asked yourself why? I bet you can't even see the irony of using the word 'deluded' in amongst all that nonsense." Oh i see what you trying to say..... Hmmmmm alot of sheep on here. Take your blinkers off, try thinking about the bigger picture. | |||
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"If you want to be controlled take the vaccine. If you are so deluded that you think things will be back to normal i feel sorry for you. It's so rushed, not tested properly and the government are desperate for everyone to take it. Have you even asked yourself why? I bet you can't even see the irony of using the word 'deluded' in amongst all that nonsense. Oh i see what you trying to say..... Hmmmmm alot of sheep on here. Take your blinkers off, try thinking about the bigger picture. " I don't need to. There is no bigger picture, it is what it is. | |||
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" You may mock but one day the truth will out. You don't have to be on Facebook, I'm not just for the record. Just look at the bigger picture. Have you seen what's in the vaccine? How long do you think it will take to vaccination even half the population who might want to take it? Try and see the bigger picture not the lies the government tell you. Do you drink water? All the waterboards in the UK put poison in the water but it is safe to drink. Many fish contain mercury another poison but people safely eat fish. Try doing a little research and discover the real facts rather than trying to scaremonger." Scaremongering.. What like the government and media have been doing for the last nine months | |||
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"And all the while making huge profit for big pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders ... hmm .. seems legit "Who else is going to make it???? Someone’s grandad in his shed? | |||
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"What's in the vaccine? Answer: Lipids of various types (forms the "bubble" that encapsulates the mRNA). The lipids include cholesterol, phosphocholine, phospholipids and others that sound scary, but are just fats (lipids) and are simply carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and phosphorus. Everyone knows our cell membranes are made from phospholipid, cholesterol and a bunch of other fats and proteins, don't they?! Also... Sugar (sucrose) - the stuff you put in your coffee/on your Weetabix Tris buffer (to keep the mixture at the right pH) Acetic acid (you put it on your chips) Sodium acetate (a different sodium salt to sodium chloride that is also added to food, ergo safe) mRNA encoding the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein That's it. " What?
No tracking chips?
No lumps of baby foetus?
No scraps of aluminium?
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"And all the while making huge profit for big pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders ... hmm .. seems legit
Who else is going to make it???? Someone’s grandad in his shed?"My Grandad used to make wine/rocket fuel in his shed. I'm sure he could turn his fermenters to cook up a batch of vaccine  | |||
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"And all the while making huge profit for big pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders ... hmm .. seems legit
Who else is going to make it???? Someone’s grandad in his shed?
My Grandad used to make wine/rocket fuel in his shed. I'm sure he could turn his fermenters to cook up a batch of vaccine "Can I have some | |||
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"And all the while making huge profit for big pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders ... hmm .. seems legit
Who else is going to make it???? Someone’s grandad in his shed?
My Grandad used to make wine/rocket fuel in his shed. I'm sure he could turn his fermenters to cook up a batch of vaccine
Can I have some "Wine or vaccine?! The vino will definitely put hairs on your chest | |||
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