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"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up " The same strain has also reported in Denmark, The Netherlands and Australia. The more extreme measures now being taken in Europe, means that Governments are taking this extremely seriously. | |||
"Anyone wrong doers trying to enter Norfolk will be chased back with lanterns & pitchforks " | |||
"Anyone wrong doers trying to enter Norfolk will be chased back with lanterns & pitchforks
"I hope that families from Tier 3/4 that turn up at holiday homes this week, are immediately reported to the local police. | |||
"Anyone wrong doers trying to enter Norfolk will be chased back with lanterns & pitchforks "Is that pretty normal in Norfolk anyway? | |||
"Anyone wrong doers trying to enter Norfolk will be chased back with lanterns & pitchforks
I hope that families from Tier 3/4 that turn up at holiday homes this week, are immediately reported to the local police. "It happened during first lockdown, so I’m sure they won’t be shy to do it again | |||
"wheres all these people who were complaining that the south was favoured when the north was shut down gone? "Maybe if London had been placed into tier 3 at the end of the lockdown as their numbers justified then they wouldn’t be bringing in tier 4. So I’d say those in the north many of who had been under stricter restrictions for months had a point. | |||
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"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up " Surely they have to report it? | |||
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"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Surely they have to report it?" They do | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... " As they should do.  | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... As they should do. "Yes | |||
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"People from Tier 4 being called "plague rats" around here now. " That’s quite polite | |||
"People from Tier 4 being called "plague rats" around here now. " My daughter live in london and work at RLH. I don’t appreciate you call her a rat!  | |||
"People from Tier 4 being called "plague rats" around here now. My daughter live in london and work at RLH. I don’t appreciate you call her a rat! "I think it was meant for those "fleeing" London. Reminiscence of the Black Death. | |||
"People from Tier 4 being called "plague rats" around here now. My daughter live in london and work at RLH. I don’t appreciate you call her a rat!
I think it was meant for those "fleeing" London. Reminiscence of the Black Death. " | |||
"wheres all these people who were complaining that the south was favoured when the north was shut down gone?
Maybe if London had been placed into tier 3 at the end of the lockdown as their numbers justified then they wouldn’t be bringing in tier 4.
So I’d say those in the north many of who had been under stricter restrictions for months had a point."You beat me to it with your reply | |||
"wheres all these people who were complaining that the south was favoured when the north was shut down gone? "It was during shutdown 1 and 2..... be honest | |||
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"Austria joins the group of countries banning inbound uk flights... apparently the french are having discussion as to whether to join the ban" Good | |||
"I said as far back as April on here, and was criticised for it, that clubs would be unlikely to open till maybe end of next year (was laughed at then and told to come back on here in December) and it is no surprise that other countries are queing up to ban UK citizens travelling to their country, bumbling Boris and prick Hancock have presided over an utter shambles. The UK is an island and to have one of the worst death rates worldwide is an utter disgrace" Hmmmmm great quote from the Drug capital of the world even overtaken America for amount of deaths per head capita. Some clubs dud open between the lockdowns. Let's not make this a political debate with Ms Kranky whinging | |||
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"Ireland are about to join the ban and it will apply to flights and ferries....." Believe that its happening. Many will just fly to Belfast and train/car it down to the ROI. | |||
"Any guesses whether Iceland will join in the travel ban from the UK? Supposed to fly on the 3rd January "The news I've seen just mentions the ban to January 1st. So all travel may open up again after that. | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up " are you hijacking my london thread  i'd never started a thread that got to its limit. But yup messy is the polite way of saying that its going to be one big smelly shitshow | |||
"Anyone wrong doers trying to enter Norfolk will be chased back with lanterns & pitchforks
I hope that families from Tier 3/4 that turn up at holiday homes this week, are immediately reported to the local police. "do you remember the old days where the welsh burnt the holiday homes of those from ye olde england? obvs they were empty of people before people start accusing me of going ott | |||
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"Hopefully the UK won't ban incoming travel, so that people who are currently abroad can get back to England after Christmas. " Well migrants are still flooding the shores of Kent, no stopping them. | |||
"Hopefully the UK won't ban incoming travel, so that people who are currently abroad can get back to England after Christmas. " UK citizens are allowed to return home | |||
"Any guesses whether Iceland will join in the travel ban from the UK? Supposed to fly on the 3rd January "Your best bet is to travel the government page for that country. At present it is open but must produce a negative covid test or quarantine for 14 days. Check the entry requirements section https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/iceland | |||
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"Hopefully the UK won't ban incoming travel, so that people who are currently abroad can get back to England after Christmas. UK citizens are allowed to return home " Phew! | |||
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"I said as far back as April on here, and was criticised for it, that clubs would be unlikely to open till maybe end of next year (was laughed at then and told to come back on here in December) and it is no surprise that other countries are queing up to ban UK citizens travelling to their country, bumbling Boris and prick Hancock have presided over an utter shambles. The UK is an island and to have one of the worst death rates worldwide is an utter disgrace Hmmmmm great quote from the Drug capital of the world even overtaken America for amount of deaths per head capita. Some clubs dud open between the lockdowns. Let's not make this a political debate with Ms Kranky whinging " I wasn't making it political it is just an undeniable fact that Westminster has made aballsup of the worst crisis since WW2 | |||
"Hopefully the UK won't ban incoming travel, so that people who are currently abroad can get back to England after Christmas. UK citizens are allowed to return home Phew! "These are T4 rules, as it says best check with airline etc to actually get home, it’s a quickly changing situation “UK residents currently abroad do not need to return home immediately. However, you should check with your airline or travel operator on arrangements for returning” | |||
"Ireland are about to join the ban and it will apply to flights and ferries..... Believe that its happening. Many will just fly to Belfast and train/car it down to the ROI. " Can't actually see how banning incoming flights would pan out seeing as there are a large number of Irish living and working in Great Britain. I think certain airlines have a fair bit of clout and won't appreciate the disruption. | |||
" But as I said on another thread...this all seems very convenient for something to blame rather then their dithering. But yeah they need to point that gun away from their feet eh "Exactly, the "new / old" strain has been around since at least September or October but now all of a sudden it's full alarm as if it's only just been detected to cover the governments dithering and delays. | |||
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"wheres all these people who were complaining that the south was favoured when the north was shut down gone? "Trying to find a job | |||
"We holiday in France every year - but we would be glad to be drop-kicked back to Folkestone with the current state of play in France. We need to stop pretending we are the worst. Many countries are having it just as bad. France are predicting nothing returning to normal until Autumn 21. Time to cancel our outstanding bookings and buy that jetski we always promised ourselves and staycation uk" I'm in Paris and it seems a lot calmer than the UK. Skiing booked in the Alps for the end of January. We will probably go even if the lifts don't open since you can alway try cross county skiing. The other great thing about France is that they have the Islands of Martinique, Guadeloupe, Réunion etc which are actually part of France so, even when international travel is stopped, this is considered as travelling inside the country. People talk about the French police being strict but I have never been asked to show my attestation form. The recent lock down didn't make much difference to me or my friends. The french police have no powers to enter your house to break up gatherings so we had friends around for dinner, they weren't stopped on the way home. | |||
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"The Channel has been closed!!" Just seen that on the news, 20 + mile queue of lorries! | |||
"The Channel has been closed!! Just seen that on the news, 20 + mile queue of lorries! " Ps we are still letting freight in though. | |||
"The Channel has been closed!! Just seen that on the news, 20 + mile queue of lorries! Ps we are still letting freight in though." But there are concerns with done drivers not wanting to come over on in case they can't get back.. Probably 22 mile by now.. | |||
"The Channel has been closed!! Just seen that on the news, 20 + mile queue of lorries! Ps we are still letting freight in though." Not via France though. Will be interesting to see if other ports follow suit | |||
"The Channel has been closed!! Just seen that on the news, 20 + mile queue of lorries! Ps we are still letting freight in though. But there are concerns with done drivers not wanting to come over on in case they can't get back.. Probably 22 mile by now.. " That's understandable | |||
"The Channel has been closed!! Just seen that on the news, 20 + mile queue of lorries! Ps we are still letting freight in though. But there are concerns with done drivers not wanting to come over on in case they can't get back.. Probably 22 mile by now.. " Sounds like a good bog roll shop coming up | |||
"The Channel has been closed!! Just seen that on the news, 20 + mile queue of lorries! Ps we are still letting freight in though. But there are concerns with done drivers not wanting to come over on in case they can't get back.. Probably 22 mile by now.. Sounds like a good bog roll shop coming up "Haha | |||
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"People from Tier 4 being called "plague rats" around here now. My daughter live in london and work at RLH. I don’t appreciate you call her a rat!
I think it was meant for those "fleeing" London. Reminiscence of the Black Death. "Actually it was not rates that spread the Black Death - there is a very good show on channel 5 that actually thinks it was lice that spread it In addition the rats are northern folk who want to get out of the plague capital | |||
"I said as far back as April on here, and was criticised for it, that clubs would be unlikely to open till maybe end of next year (was laughed at then and told to come back on here in December) and it is no surprise that other countries are queing up to ban UK citizens travelling to their country, bumbling Boris and prick Hancock have presided over an utter shambles. The UK is an island and to have one of the worst death rates worldwide is an utter disgrace Hmmmmm great quote from the Drug capital of the world even overtaken America for amount of deaths per head capita. Some clubs dud open between the lockdowns. Let's not make this a political debate with Ms Kranky whinging I wasn't making it political it is just an undeniable fact that Westminster has made aballsup of the worst crisis since WW2" So where is your 'undeniable fact' source please or is this an SNP fact? | |||
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"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up " Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. | |||
"So here is the list at the moment.... Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Bulgaria, France, Ireland.... Nothing at all ferry routes, nothing going thru the channel tunnel....... literally nothing... passenger or lorries " They should close off N. Ireland too and for the short term treat NI and the south as either two separate entities or as one, but the R rate is much higher in the south. This new strain is most likely everywhere as they have found out it started mutation in September and there's been a lot of travel all over the UK since then. It just takes a bit of time to become as advanced as it is in the south (where it may have started or even come over from mainland Europe). It will only be slowed by people effectively restricting their movements to absolute essential travel. It's got little to do with government but all to do with people taking responsibility with their actions. Be responsible not a blamer. | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones." So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.." Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from?" Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them. | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them." Tut tut Personal insults Maybe try keeping on topic? | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them. Tut tut Personal insults Maybe try keeping on topic?" Again you find it hard to back up your accusations as per. So please can you say where have I said they shoulder no responsibility or can't you back up your accusations? I fail to see how I've gone off topic as I replied to Fabio who had responded to my comment. Maybe seeing as you can't answer with a silly tut tut and an unrelated question asking you to give evidence then maybe, just maybe you have failed in your own response. | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them. Tut tut Personal insults Maybe try keeping on topic? Again you find it hard to back up your accusations as per. So please can you say where have I said they shoulder no responsibility or can't you back up your accusations? I fail to see how I've gone off topic as I replied to Fabio who had responded to my comment. Maybe seeing as you can't answer with a silly tut tut and an unrelated question asking you to give evidence then maybe, just maybe you have failed in your own response. " Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever? The care homes fiasco was their fault. The eat out scheme was their fault. I have provided several examples where Johnson has blatantly lied(it will be over by Christmas etc) And that's not even touching the multitude of other failing(not attending cobra meetings,the ppe scandal etc) From day 1 it has been an absolute car crash and they (should)take the lions share responsibility for that. | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them. Tut tut Personal insults Maybe try keeping on topic? Again you find it hard to back up your accusations as per. So please can you say where have I said they shoulder no responsibility or can't you back up your accusations? I fail to see how I've gone off topic as I replied to Fabio who had responded to my comment. Maybe seeing as you can't answer with a silly tut tut and an unrelated question asking you to give evidence then maybe, just maybe you have failed in your own response. Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever? The care homes fiasco was their fault. The eat out scheme was their fault. I have provided several examples where Johnson has blatantly lied(it will be over by Christmas etc) And that's not even touching the multitude of other failing(not attending cobra meetings,the ppe scandal etc) From day 1 it has been an absolute car crash and they (should)take the lions share responsibility for that." Here we go mr hindsight would have done it so much better where was you in britains hour of need.  | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them. Tut tut Personal insults Maybe try keeping on topic? Again you find it hard to back up your accusations as per. So please can you say where have I said they shoulder no responsibility or can't you back up your accusations? I fail to see how I've gone off topic as I replied to Fabio who had responded to my comment. Maybe seeing as you can't answer with a silly tut tut and an unrelated question asking you to give evidence then maybe, just maybe you have failed in your own response. Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever? The care homes fiasco was their fault. The eat out scheme was their fault. I have provided several examples where Johnson has blatantly lied(it will be over by Christmas etc) And that's not even touching the multitude of other failing(not attending cobra meetings,the ppe scandal etc) From day 1 it has been an absolute car crash and they (should)take the lions share responsibility for that.Here we go mr hindsight would have done it so much better where was you in britains hour of need. "What is telling lies got anything to do with hindsight? And you dont have to be nostradamus to realise that attending meetings about pandemic,in the middle of said pandemic, may be a good idea. | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them. Tut tut Personal insults Maybe try keeping on topic? Again you find it hard to back up your accusations as per. So please can you say where have I said they shoulder no responsibility or can't you back up your accusations? I fail to see how I've gone off topic as I replied to Fabio who had responded to my comment. Maybe seeing as you can't answer with a silly tut tut and an unrelated question asking you to give evidence then maybe, just maybe you have failed in your own response. Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever? The care homes fiasco was their fault. The eat out scheme was their fault. I have provided several examples where Johnson has blatantly lied(it will be over by Christmas etc) And that's not even touching the multitude of other failing(not attending cobra meetings,the ppe scandal etc) From day 1 it has been an absolute car crash and they (should)take the lions share responsibility for that." So because I haven't said something you make an assumption that I do or don't agree with it? What stupid nonsense. Clearly demonstrates you lack of deductive skills and poor debate skills. So I'll ask again where did I say otherwise? I rather think you'll never be able to answer that. The eat out scheme was their fault. How? Did they force people to eat out? (Hooe you answer this). If you use that argument then you're suggesting people have no choice and unable to do what is right. The very stance that I take on this my friend demonstrates that I don't think they were right is offering up the eat out scheme, which completely contradicts your assumption that I don't hold them accountable whatsoever. (Hope you take note) Please explain their care homes fiasco which was their fault as youre rather vague in your response. As for your other ramblings you make them out as if you could do better, which was a question I'd asked in another post and you avoided offering how you'd have dealt with it. It's easy in hindsight for people to make out that they could do better. Sadly also too simplistic to blame the government for not preventing people from acting irresponsibly. Imagine the outcry if the government applied marshal law for a few days let alone longer. I'm sure you'd have something against personal liberties removed. | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them. Tut tut Personal insults Maybe try keeping on topic? Again you find it hard to back up your accusations as per. So please can you say where have I said they shoulder no responsibility or can't you back up your accusations? I fail to see how I've gone off topic as I replied to Fabio who had responded to my comment. Maybe seeing as you can't answer with a silly tut tut and an unrelated question asking you to give evidence then maybe, just maybe you have failed in your own response. Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever? The care homes fiasco was their fault. The eat out scheme was their fault. I have provided several examples where Johnson has blatantly lied(it will be over by Christmas etc) And that's not even touching the multitude of other failing(not attending cobra meetings,the ppe scandal etc) From day 1 it has been an absolute car crash and they (should)take the lions share responsibility for that. So because I haven't said something you make an assumption that I do or don't agree with it? What stupid nonsense. Clearly demonstrates you lack of deductive skills and poor debate skills. So I'll ask again where did I say otherwise? I rather think you'll never be able to answer that. The eat out scheme was their fault. How? Did they force people to eat out? (Hooe you answer this). If you use that argument then you're suggesting people have no choice and unable to do what is right. The very stance that I take on this my friend demonstrates that I don't think they were right is offering up the eat out scheme, which completely contradicts your assumption that I don't hold them accountable whatsoever. (Hope you take note) Please explain their care homes fiasco which was their fault as youre rather vague in your response. As for your other ramblings you make them out as if you could do better, which was a question I'd asked in another post and you avoided offering how you'd have dealt with it. It's easy in hindsight for people to make out that they could do better. Sadly also too simplistic to blame the government for not preventing people from acting irresponsibly. Imagine the outcry if the government applied marshal law for a few days let alone longer. I'm sure you'd have something against personal liberties removed." You have consistently laid the blame at the door of people acting responsibilily (10's if 1000s of swingers) You claim that I have assumed that you seem to give the gmnt no accountability at all..yet once again I see no indication, that this is the case. I honestly dont know what you mean by the eat out scheme..you seen to be implying it was peoples fault they took up the scene,leading to a spike in cases,..but then you say they were wrong to so..so you have lost me there. The care homes fiasco Is very much in the public domain. As for answering your question..for the 3rd time now I've said I wouldn't lie force start. I'd tell the truth and not make empty promises. As I've never once mentioned personal liberties you would assume wrong I'm afraid. Do try crafting a reply without resorting to pitiful insults. It's not hard | |||
"The list continues to grow Europe: France, Germany, Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands, Ireland, Austria, Portugal, Sweden, Belgium, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Croatia, Finland, Romania, the Czech Republic, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Russia North America: Canada Latin America: Argentina, El Salvador, Chile, Colombia, Peru, Ecuador Middle East and North Africa: Turkey, Israel, Iran, Kuwait, Morocco. Saudi Arabia has also suspended all international flights for a week. Oman has closed all of its land, air and sea borders for a week Hong Kong and India have also introduced restrictions / bans UK do the right thing and just close our borders " This!!!!  | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them. Tut tut Personal insults Maybe try keeping on topic? Again you find it hard to back up your accusations as per. So please can you say where have I said they shoulder no responsibility or can't you back up your accusations? I fail to see how I've gone off topic as I replied to Fabio who had responded to my comment. Maybe seeing as you can't answer with a silly tut tut and an unrelated question asking you to give evidence then maybe, just maybe you have failed in your own response. Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever? The care homes fiasco was their fault. The eat out scheme was their fault. I have provided several examples where Johnson has blatantly lied(it will be over by Christmas etc) And that's not even touching the multitude of other failing(not attending cobra meetings,the ppe scandal etc) From day 1 it has been an absolute car crash and they (should)take the lions share responsibility for that. So because I haven't said something you make an assumption that I do or don't agree with it? What stupid nonsense. Clearly demonstrates you lack of deductive skills and poor debate skills. So I'll ask again where did I say otherwise? I rather think you'll never be able to answer that. The eat out scheme was their fault. How? Did they force people to eat out? (Hooe you answer this). If you use that argument then you're suggesting people have no choice and unable to do what is right. The very stance that I take on this my friend demonstrates that I don't think they were right is offering up the eat out scheme, which completely contradicts your assumption that I don't hold them accountable whatsoever. (Hope you take note) Please explain their care homes fiasco which was their fault as youre rather vague in your response. As for your other ramblings you make them out as if you could do better, which was a question I'd asked in another post and you avoided offering how you'd have dealt with it. It's easy in hindsight for people to make out that they could do better. Sadly also too simplistic to blame the government for not preventing people from acting irresponsibly. Imagine the outcry if the government applied marshal law for a few days let alone longer. I'm sure you'd have something against personal liberties removed. You have consistently laid the blame at the door of people acting responsibilily (10's if 1000s of swingers) You claim that I have assumed that you seem to give the gmnt no accountability at all..yet once again I see no indication, that this is the case. I honestly dont know what you mean by the eat out scheme..you seen to be implying it was peoples fault they took up the scene,leading to a spike in cases,..but then you say they were wrong to so..so you have lost me there. The care homes fiasco Is very much in the public domain. As for answering your question..for the 3rd time now I've said I wouldn't lie force start. I'd tell the truth and not make empty promises. As I've never once mentioned personal liberties you would assume wrong I'm afraid. Do try crafting a reply without resorting to pitiful insults. It's not hard "Yes I do hold people accountable for their actions. If you don't then you're not giving them credit nor the respect that they deserve as adults. Excusing them for their irresponsible actions shows that you don't think they're yet capable and therefore not adult, even if they behave otherwise. This was your quote in reference to the government...Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever?.... So yes you did. So don't lie oh you wouldn't like apparently.
Maybe it was unclear or you list your own train of thought with the go eat scheme. If you read again.... I said I don't get it was right that they (government) offered the scheme, thought that would have been clear who it referred to as the people did offer the scheme. But I hold people responsible for going out and using it and spreading the virus (people spread the virus, not the government). Hopefully you understand now with the brackets.
Restrictions on personal liberties...green arrow. | |||
"The list continues to grow Europe: France, Germany, Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands, Ireland, Austria, Portugal, Sweden, Belgium, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Croatia, Finland, Romania, the Czech Republic, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Russia North America: Canada Latin America: Argentina, El Salvador, Chile, Colombia, Peru, Ecuador Middle East and North Africa: Turkey, Israel, Iran, Kuwait, Morocco. Saudi Arabia has also suspended all international flights for a week. Oman has closed all of its land, air and sea borders for a week Hong Kong and India have also introduced restrictions / bans UK do the right thing and just close our borders This!!!! "They should indeed. However it's not going to curb the infection rate internally if people don't change their behaviour and realise they are the spreaders. People shouldn't be traveling around. Just because something is available doesn't mean it should be done. 70mph speed limit is just that a limit, not a target to aim for, nor a right to do it if the road conditions make it dangerous. The driver still has the choice. People need to have choices but accept the consequences which in most cases effect others | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them. Tut tut Personal insults Maybe try keeping on topic? Again you find it hard to back up your accusations as per. So please can you say where have I said they shoulder no responsibility or can't you back up your accusations? I fail to see how I've gone off topic as I replied to Fabio who had responded to my comment. Maybe seeing as you can't answer with a silly tut tut and an unrelated question asking you to give evidence then maybe, just maybe you have failed in your own response. Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever? The care homes fiasco was their fault. The eat out scheme was their fault. I have provided several examples where Johnson has blatantly lied(it will be over by Christmas etc) And that's not even touching the multitude of other failing(not attending cobra meetings,the ppe scandal etc) From day 1 it has been an absolute car crash and they (should)take the lions share responsibility for that. So because I haven't said something you make an assumption that I do or don't agree with it? What stupid nonsense. Clearly demonstrates you lack of deductive skills and poor debate skills. So I'll ask again where did I say otherwise? I rather think you'll never be able to answer that. The eat out scheme was their fault. How? Did they force people to eat out? (Hooe you answer this). If you use that argument then you're suggesting people have no choice and unable to do what is right. The very stance that I take on this my friend demonstrates that I don't think they were right is offering up the eat out scheme, which completely contradicts your assumption that I don't hold them accountable whatsoever. (Hope you take note) Please explain their care homes fiasco which was their fault as youre rather vague in your response. As for your other ramblings you make them out as if you could do better, which was a question I'd asked in another post and you avoided offering how you'd have dealt with it. It's easy in hindsight for people to make out that they could do better. Sadly also too simplistic to blame the government for not preventing people from acting irresponsibly. Imagine the outcry if the government applied marshal law for a few days let alone longer. I'm sure you'd have something against personal liberties removed. You have consistently laid the blame at the door of people acting responsibilily (10's if 1000s of swingers) You claim that I have assumed that you seem to give the gmnt no accountability at all..yet once again I see no indication, that this is the case. I honestly dont know what you mean by the eat out scheme..you seen to be implying it was peoples fault they took up the scene,leading to a spike in cases,..but then you say they were wrong to so..so you have lost me there. The care homes fiasco Is very much in the public domain. As for answering your question..for the 3rd time now I've said I wouldn't lie force start. I'd tell the truth and not make empty promises. As I've never once mentioned personal liberties you would assume wrong I'm afraid. Do try crafting a reply without resorting to pitiful insults. It's not hard
Yes I do hold people accountable for their actions. If you don't then you're not giving them credit nor the respect that they deserve as adults. Excusing them for their irresponsible actions shows that you don't think they're yet capable and therefore not adult, even if they behave otherwise.
This was your quote in reference to the government...Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever?.... So yes you did. So don't lie oh you wouldn't like apparently.
Maybe it was unclear or you list your own train of thought with the go eat scheme. If you read again.... I said I don't get it was right that they (government) offered the scheme, thought that would have been clear who it referred to as the people did offer the scheme. But I hold people responsible for going out and using it and spreading the virus (people spread the virus, not the government). Hopefully you understand now with the brackets.
Restrictions on personal liberties...green arrow. "I really dont get most of that. I've never excused people of irresponsible behaviour..we are all responsible..but on a much broader level the gmnt are responsible for handling and managing the crises. From the very beginning this has been handled abysmally(I have only given a handful of examples) It's quite telling that when their actions are questions..the only replies seem.to be what would you do/labour wouldnt do any better. They were elected to run the country which means they should be accountable for their actions. | |||
"Just going on from the London leaving thread.... Wales and Scotland are saying people should not travel cross border unless essential.... Now the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have banned travel from the UK... This is going to get very very messy.... the fact that the UK have reported the new variant to the World Health Organisation is the thing that going to shake things up Others will take it more seriously and I wish people would stop blaming governments for trying to control fuckwitts who'll just do whatever they want and increase the spread of the virus, increase the pressures on our health system and ultimately the deaths of so many of which many are people who have been trying to protect themselves and their close vulnerable ones. So who exactly is responsible for controlling said fuckwits? For enforcing laid down laws, regulations and restrictions in such times.. You nor I can't set or decide national policy in such times, we can do the right thing and expect others to do so but we can only do so much.. To try and say (whilst accepting fully there has been behaviours which have not helped or have added to the mess brother citizens) that this government have not made mistakes, over promised, been indecisive at times and sent out mixed messages by having wishy washy legislation is out of touch with what has gone on.. Apparently they shoulder no responsibility whatsoever. Wonder where they got that idea from? Seriously? Where have I said they shoulder no responsibility? You however continually put the blame on the current government in most of your posts and I can demonstrate that by the green arrow. To quote you would take up too much space on here. Fabio, the only way to enforce the law so fuckwitts adhered to it would mean a Draconian policy and most people wouldn't accept that, as it has been demonstrated in Belgium and the outcries here earlier with simple lockdowns. The countries where the virus is being contained is where their people have respected them. Tut tut Personal insults Maybe try keeping on topic? Again you find it hard to back up your accusations as per. So please can you say where have I said they shoulder no responsibility or can't you back up your accusations? I fail to see how I've gone off topic as I replied to Fabio who had responded to my comment. Maybe seeing as you can't answer with a silly tut tut and an unrelated question asking you to give evidence then maybe, just maybe you have failed in your own response. Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever? The care homes fiasco was their fault. The eat out scheme was their fault. I have provided several examples where Johnson has blatantly lied(it will be over by Christmas etc) And that's not even touching the multitude of other failing(not attending cobra meetings,the ppe scandal etc) From day 1 it has been an absolute car crash and they (should)take the lions share responsibility for that. So because I haven't said something you make an assumption that I do or don't agree with it? What stupid nonsense. Clearly demonstrates you lack of deductive skills and poor debate skills. So I'll ask again where did I say otherwise? I rather think you'll never be able to answer that. The eat out scheme was their fault. How? Did they force people to eat out? (Hooe you answer this). If you use that argument then you're suggesting people have no choice and unable to do what is right. The very stance that I take on this my friend demonstrates that I don't think they were right is offering up the eat out scheme, which completely contradicts your assumption that I don't hold them accountable whatsoever. (Hope you take note) Please explain their care homes fiasco which was their fault as youre rather vague in your response. As for your other ramblings you make them out as if you could do better, which was a question I'd asked in another post and you avoided offering how you'd have dealt with it. It's easy in hindsight for people to make out that they could do better. Sadly also too simplistic to blame the government for not preventing people from acting irresponsibly. Imagine the outcry if the government applied marshal law for a few days let alone longer. I'm sure you'd have something against personal liberties removed. You have consistently laid the blame at the door of people acting responsibilily (10's if 1000s of swingers) You claim that I have assumed that you seem to give the gmnt no accountability at all..yet once again I see no indication, that this is the case. I honestly dont know what you mean by the eat out scheme..you seen to be implying it was peoples fault they took up the scene,leading to a spike in cases,..but then you say they were wrong to so..so you have lost me there. The care homes fiasco Is very much in the public domain. As for answering your question..for the 3rd time now I've said I wouldn't lie force start. I'd tell the truth and not make empty promises. As I've never once mentioned personal liberties you would assume wrong I'm afraid. Do try crafting a reply without resorting to pitiful insults. It's not hard
Yes I do hold people accountable for their actions. If you don't then you're not giving them credit nor the respect that they deserve as adults. Excusing them for their irresponsible actions shows that you don't think they're yet capable and therefore not adult, even if they behave otherwise.
This was your quote in reference to the government...Maybe because not once have you said they should have accepted any responsibility whatsoever?.... So yes you did. So don't lie oh you wouldn't like apparently.
Maybe it was unclear or you list your own train of thought with the go eat scheme. If you read again.... I said I don't get it was right that they (government) offered the scheme, thought that would have been clear who it referred to as the people did offer the scheme. But I hold people responsible for going out and using it and spreading the virus (people spread the virus, not the government). Hopefully you understand now with the brackets.
Restrictions on personal liberties...green arrow.
I really dont get most of that.
I've never excused people of irresponsible behaviour..we are all responsible..but on a much broader level the gmnt are responsible for handling and managing the crises.
From the very beginning this has been handled abysmally(I have only given a handful of examples)
It's quite telling that when their actions are questions..the only replies seem.to be what would you do/labour wouldnt do any better.
They were elected to run the country which means they should be accountable for their actions.
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