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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Of course it will be because you all got together over xmas/NY, and even if YOU didnt it will be because of those inconsiderate people who did.
That said, please do rest assured that any deterioration in populas health will not be in anyway related a mass vaccination programme. |
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What 'mass' vaccination programme?
Whilst it's started its stretching it to call it that..
Someone might infer your making a link between this third wave and a mass vaccination programme in which might look like some sort of tin foil hat wearers conspiracy bollocks..? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What 'mass' vaccination programme?
Whilst it's started its stretching it to call it that..
Someone might infer your making a link between this third wave and a mass vaccination programme in which might look like some sort of tin foil hat wearers conspiracy bollocks..?"
The largest roll out of a vaccine in history - the very words of your beloved NHS, but nope, defo not a "mass vaccine programme".
With all due respect, not only do you have your head in the sand, youve poured in ballast, concrete and water along with it. |
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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago
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"Of course it will be because you all got together over xmas/NY, and even if YOU didnt it will be because of those inconsiderate people who did.
That said, please do rest assured that any deterioration in populas health will not be in anyway related a mass vaccination programme."
Of course, it's down to people who don't take precautions. We all know how it spreads, so yes.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Of course it will be because you all got together over xmas/NY, and even if YOU didnt it will be because of those inconsiderate people who did.
That said, please do rest assured that any deterioration in populas health will not be in anyway related a mass vaccination programme."
you suggest that one reason could be passed off as another (vaccine the reason, christmas get the blame)
however given there will be very limited set of people have had the vaccine by january, any correlation of vaccinated people getting sick would be very clear ... chances of it happening are slim, chances of it being blamed on christmas even more so |
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"What 'mass' vaccination programme?
Whilst it's started its stretching it to call it that..
Someone might infer your making a link between this third wave and a mass vaccination programme in which might look like some sort of tin foil hat wearers conspiracy bollocks..?
The largest roll out of a vaccine in history - the very words of your beloved NHS, but nope, defo not a "mass vaccine programme".
With all due respect, not only do you have your head in the sand, youve poured in ballast, concrete and water along with it."
Ha..
All due respect my arse sunshine, maybe read up on construction rather than loony theories.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"With all due respect, not only do you have your head in the sand, youve poured in ballast, concrete and water along with it."
And here's me thinking Peter Pan had the monopoly on never growing up  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Third wave? There's no evidence that we're past the second wave, indeed it looks likely that the second wave will extend to January."
Dominic Raab warns of risk of third wave.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/nov/29/dominic-raab-warns-uk-risk-third-wave-coronavirus-video |
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"Third wave? There's no evidence that we're past the second wave, indeed it looks likely that the second wave will extend to January.
Dominic Raab warns of risk of third wave.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/nov/29/dominic-raab-warns-uk-risk-third-wave-coronavirus-video"
Firstly it doesn't take a genius to work out there will be further waves, and lockdowns....3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th would be no surprise at all.
Secondly, I'm making an assumption that it is not disputed that the virus exists and that it is spread by people who are in close proximity to eachother.
So it would seem reasonable that after a month of people cramming into shops, and round tables, and in pubs and in sales.... That infection rates would go up.
By xmas I can't imagine more than 300k people will have been vaccinated... Though very happy to be corrected on that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"With all due respect, not only do you have your head in the sand, youve poured in ballast, concrete and water along with it.
And here's me thinking Peter Pan had the monopoly on never growing up "
Green arrow...  |
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"Of course it will be because you all got together over xmas/NY, and even if YOU didnt it will be because of those inconsiderate people who did.
That said, please do rest assured that any deterioration in populas health will not be in anyway related a mass vaccination programme."
AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Absolutely class  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Firstly it doesn't take a genius to work out there will be further waves, and lockdowns....3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th would be no surprise at all.
Secondly, I'm making an assumption that it is not disputed that the virus exists and that it is spread by people who are in close proximity to eachother.
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You assume wrong, but you are correct in that we are facing an eternity of restrictive legislation.. so whats with all this talk of "do as your told now so we can go back to normal" if a legislatively restrictive future is inevitable ? |
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"Firstly it doesn't take a genius to work out there will be further waves, and lockdowns....3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th would be no surprise at all.
Secondly, I'm making an assumption that it is not disputed that the virus exists and that it is spread by people who are in close proximity to eachother.
You assume wrong, but you are correct in that we are facing an eternity of restrictive legislation.. so whats with all this talk of "do as your told now so we can go back to normal" if a legislatively restrictive future is inevitable ?"
That's the trouble with assumptions. But do tell me which bit are you disputing.?
That the virus exists or that it is spread by people in close proximity to eachother? Or both perhaps? |
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It would be great for OP to make a clearer statement of his beliefs, as I was left uncertain what they are.
This government has form for wanting to apportion responsibility to anyone but themselves for this. It won't matter how unreasonable, improbable or in denial of the facts. Blame will be given. Certainly Christmas socialising will get some.
I don't think low take up of the vaccine will get it for some time, though criticism of some aspect of the NHS, despite them being 'wonderful and helped me and others in our hour of need' or similar BS being trotted out.
It's clear that Easter has been given a clear stake in the ground to focus minds. That and people getting together will probably get blame for the X wave. Perhaps the growing numbers of unemployed will get it, around the time that cuts to Universal Credit are made. |
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"Firstly it doesn't take a genius to work out there will be further waves, and lockdowns....3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th would be no surprise at all.
Secondly, I'm making an assumption that it is not disputed that the virus exists and that it is spread by people who are in close proximity to eachother.
You assume wrong, but you are correct in that we are facing an eternity of restrictive legislation.. so whats with all this talk of "do as your told now so we can go back to normal" if a legislatively restrictive future is inevitable ?"
Restrictions:
Having to wear a face mask - why make us do that longer than we need to? It allows scrotes a perfect disguise and renders CCTV pretty useless. What benefit is there in there for 'them'?
Closes businesses - why do that for longer than we need to?
It removes tax revenue and increases benefit costs at the same time. What benefit is there for 'them'?
Stops large family gatherings - why do that longer than we need to? What possible benefit is that to 'them'?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Having to wear a face mask - why make us do that longer than we need to? It allows scrotes a perfect disguise and renders CCTV pretty useless. What benefit is there in there for 'them'?
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Masking faces could be about training AI to recognise faces whilst covered, in the long run making identity concealment a tougher task. To that end, distancing people apart is required for the early stages of that learning process, so individuals can be more easily differentiated. |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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I am going to say I don't give a s**t anymore. In the North of England we have been in lockdown or Tier 3 for so long now it doesn't matter whether there is a third wave or not it isn't going to restrict our movements anymore than they already are. We won't notice the difference until we are move to tier 0 |
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Having to wear a face mask - why make us do that longer than we need to? It allows scrotes a perfect disguise and renders CCTV pretty useless. What benefit is there in there for 'them'?
Masking faces could be about training AI to recognise faces whilst covered, in the long run making identity concealment a tougher task. To that end, distancing people apart is required for the early stages of that learning process, so individuals can be more easily differentiated."
Oh get real.
You could do that with 20 people in a room. |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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Having to wear a face mask - why make us do that longer than we need to? It allows scrotes a perfect disguise and renders CCTV pretty useless. What benefit is there in there for 'them'?
Masking faces could be about training AI to recognise faces whilst covered, in the long run making identity concealment a tougher task. To that end, distancing people apart is required for the early stages of that learning process, so individuals can be more easily differentiated.
Oh get real.
You could do that with 20 people in a room."
I really wouldn't have dignified that bollocks with a response. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am going to say I don't give a s**t anymore. In the North of England we have been in lockdown or Tier 3 for so long now it doesn't matter whether there is a third wave or not it isn't going to restrict our movements anymore than they already are. We won't notice the difference until we are move to tier 0"
You might notice a difference if/when you catch covid |
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Having to wear a face mask - why make us do that longer than we need to? It allows scrotes a perfect disguise and renders CCTV pretty useless. What benefit is there in there for 'them'?
Masking faces could be about training AI to recognise faces whilst covered, in the long run making identity concealment a tougher task. To that end, distancing people apart is required for the early stages of that learning process, so individuals can be more easily differentiated.
Oh get real.
You could do that with 20 people in a room.
I really wouldn't have dignified that bollocks with a response."
I was in two minds as well, but just in case anyone believed it... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Having to wear a face mask - why make us do that longer than we need to? It allows scrotes a perfect disguise and renders CCTV pretty useless. What benefit is there in there for 'them'?
Masking faces could be about training AI to recognise faces whilst covered, in the long run making identity concealment a tougher task. To that end, distancing people apart is required for the early stages of that learning process, so individuals can be more easily differentiated.
Oh get real.
You could do that with 20 people in a room.
I really wouldn't have dignified that bollocks with a response.
I was in two minds as well, but just in case anyone believed it..."
Yea better express your own incomprehension, ya know, just in case... |
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Having to wear a face mask - why make us do that longer than we need to? It allows scrotes a perfect disguise and renders CCTV pretty useless. What benefit is there in there for 'them'?
Masking faces could be about training AI to recognise faces whilst covered, in the long run making identity concealment a tougher task. To that end, distancing people apart is required for the early stages of that learning process, so individuals can be more easily differentiated.
Oh get real.
You could do that with 20 people in a room.
I really wouldn't have dignified that bollocks with a response.
I was in two minds as well, but just in case anyone believed it...
Yea better express your own incomprehension, ya know, just in case..."
Not believing in conspiracy shit isn't 'incomprehension' it's common sense. Try it, you might like it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Having to wear a face mask - why make us do that longer than we need to? It allows scrotes a perfect disguise and renders CCTV pretty useless. What benefit is there in there for 'them'?
Masking faces could be about training AI to recognise faces whilst covered, in the long run making identity concealment a tougher task. To that end, distancing people apart is required for the early stages of that learning process, so individuals can be more easily differentiated.
Oh get real.
You could do that with 20 people in a room.
I really wouldn't have dignified that bollocks with a response.
I was in two minds as well, but just in case anyone believed it...
Yea better express your own incomprehension, ya know, just in case...
Not believing in conspiracy shit isn't 'incomprehension' it's common sense. Try it, you might like it. "
Try a 13 year career in journalism, you might not like it ... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Firstly it doesn't take a genius to work out there will be further waves, and lockdowns....3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th would be no surprise at all.
Secondly, I'm making an assumption that it is not disputed that the virus exists and that it is spread by people who are in close proximity to eachother.
You assume wrong, but you are correct in that we are facing an eternity of restrictive legislation.. so whats with all this talk of "do as your told now so we can go back to normal" if a legislatively restrictive future is inevitable ?
Restrictions:
Having to wear a face mask - why make us do that longer than we need to? It allows scrotes a perfect disguise and renders CCTV pretty useless. What benefit is there in there for 'them'?
Closes businesses - why do that for longer than we need to?
It removes tax revenue and increases benefit costs at the same time. What benefit is there for 'them'?
Stops large family gatherings - why do that longer than we need to? What possible benefit is that to 'them'?
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Far to many sensible questions! |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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Having to wear a face mask - why make us do that longer than we need to? It allows scrotes a perfect disguise and renders CCTV pretty useless. What benefit is there in there for 'them'?
Masking faces could be about training AI to recognise faces whilst covered, in the long run making identity concealment a tougher task. To that end, distancing people apart is required for the early stages of that learning process, so individuals can be more easily differentiated."
Omg just when you think you've read it all along comes this little nugget  |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"Third wave? There's no evidence that we're past the second wave, indeed it looks likely that the second wave will extend to January."
I wonder what have happened to the yearly flu/cold season tho?
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"What 'mass' vaccination programme?
Whilst it's started its stretching it to call it that..
Someone might infer your making a link between this third wave and a mass vaccination programme in which might look like some sort of tin foil hat wearers conspiracy bollocks..?
The largest roll out of a vaccine in history - the very words of your beloved NHS, but nope, defo not a "mass vaccine programme".
With all due respect, not only do you have your head in the sand, youve poured in ballast, concrete and water along with it."
""Your" beloved NHS"...? You opted out of National Insurance contributions and never been to a hospital, either personally or to visit a relative then OP...? |
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What if the vaccine is a placebo to make us happy over Christmas and winter and natural herd immunity is the agenda with the disclaimer you can meet up but stay at home, you can go to work but work from home. So if you die the goverment isn't responsible.  |
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"What if the vaccine is a placebo to make us happy over Christmas and winter and natural herd immunity is the agenda with the disclaimer you can meet up but stay at home, you can go to work but work from home. So if you die the goverment isn't responsible. "
Trying to keep a secret that big from the entire world just wouldn't be possible. |
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over a year ago
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"What 'mass' vaccination programme?
Whilst it's started its stretching it to call it that..
Someone might infer your making a link between this third wave and a mass vaccination programme in which might look like some sort of tin foil hat wearers conspiracy bollocks..?
The largest roll out of a vaccine in history - the very words of your beloved NHS, but nope, defo not a "mass vaccine programme".
With all due respect, not only do you have your head in the sand, youve poured in ballast, concrete and water along with it.
""Your" beloved NHS"...? You opted out of National Insurance contributions and never been to a hospital, either personally or to visit a relative then OP...?"
Yes, I have private healthcare, and that actually costs me less than should I of decided to fund the NHS through extortionate rates of taxation in its numerous forms.
The NHS staff at a grass roots level, for the vast majority, I tip my hat to, we share a common interest and many of us identify with the staff on the ground floor, but as we go up the chain of command those interests at the summit of NHS management do not align with those at ground level. Beyond that but taking into account everyones close personal identificatin with the NHS through its grass roots staff, makes the NHS a HUGE political instrument. People will take criticism of the NHS very personally as they see that as being directed at the very staff they identify with, when in actual fact critique of the NHS is more often than not directed at the unseen 6 figure salary recipients and major decision makers who i'd be surprised if anyone chose to adorn in the same way as weve seen for many ground level staff. |
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"What 'mass' vaccination programme?
Whilst it's started its stretching it to call it that..
Someone might infer your making a link between this third wave and a mass vaccination programme in which might look like some sort of tin foil hat wearers conspiracy bollocks..?
The largest roll out of a vaccine in history - the very words of your beloved NHS, but nope, defo not a "mass vaccine programme".
With all due respect, not only do you have your head in the sand, youve poured in ballast, concrete and water along with it.
""Your" beloved NHS"...? You opted out of National Insurance contributions and never been to a hospital, either personally or to visit a relative then OP...?
Yes, I have private healthcare, and that actually costs me less than should I of decided to fund the NHS through extortionate rates of taxation in its numerous forms.
The NHS staff at a grass roots level, for the vast majority, I tip my hat to, we share a common interest and many of us identify with the staff on the ground floor, but as we go up the chain of command those interests at the summit of NHS management do not align with those at ground level. Beyond that but taking into account everyones close personal identificatin with the NHS through its grass roots staff, makes the NHS a HUGE political instrument. People will take criticism of the NHS very personally as they see that as being directed at the very staff they identify with, when in actual fact critique of the NHS is more often than not directed at the unseen 6 figure salary recipients and major decision makers who i'd be surprised if anyone chose to adorn in the same way as weve seen for many ground level staff."
Think people will generally agree the NHS is a top heavy political football that somehow has become free from criticism. |
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"Third wave? There's no evidence that we're past the second wave, indeed it looks likely that the second wave will extend to January.I wonder what have happened to the yearly flu/cold season tho?"
We can find the published flu infection numbers but my guess is that flu season will have low levels of infection this year, due to the lifestyle restrictions people are living. There's potential for an unpredicted strain to attack but restrictions should still keep it under bounds, to some extent |
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"Third wave? There's no evidence that we're past the second wave, indeed it looks likely that the second wave will extend to January.I wonder what have happened to the yearly flu/cold season tho?
We can find the published flu infection numbers but my guess is that flu season will have low levels of infection this year, due to the lifestyle restrictions people are living. There's potential for an unpredicted strain to attack but restrictions should still keep it under bounds, to some extent "
There's one thing out of this... People who previously never gave two hoots about who died of what in their whole lives are now interested in arguing about causes of death statistics...and hopefully washing their hands a bit more often. |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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"I am going to say I don't give a s**t anymore. In the North of England we have been in lockdown or Tier 3 for so long now it doesn't matter whether there is a third wave or not it isn't going to restrict our movements anymore than they already are. We won't notice the difference until we are move to tier 0
You might notice a difference if/when you catch covid "
I wasn't referring to catching Covid i was referring to the fact that the North has been so restricted for the last 8 months it will make absolutely no difference to us if there is a third wave there are no further restrictions they can impose which would restrict our lives any further.
I find it amusing that apparently it was fine for people to meet up over Xmas but suddenly now that London and areas of the South are going into Tier 3 Xmas should be cancelled.
Call me a cynic but it is almost like the North didn't count. Like there is a North/South divide. |
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Third wave is predicted for around the February half-term.
Ironically, nothing to do with kids returning to school after a good 2 weeks away, then passing the virus around.
In a similar fashion to what happened when the kids went back in September....
After that will come the call for a circuit breaker, which Bojo will ignore, leading to a full lockdown again.
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