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Coronavirus vaccine: Pfizer given protection from legal action by UK government

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

Thoughts?

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Which is a good thing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is mandatory?even if you were never sick?

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Is mandatory?even if you were never sick?"

It's not mandatory

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It's received the same immunity as every other vaccine and the reasons are clearly stated on the government documents.

I think it's as good as the reasoning which applies to existing vaccines.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Better to invest your attention wisely, which is upon the dreadful pandemic that we have and the fully detailed vaccine trials results research evidence.

It's also smart to consider the results that our use of public forum has on others, preferably having some empathy for people if that's possible for you to have.

It's been a bad year for millions and we owe it to each other to support and uplift others. When we're not, we're little, if any better, than a leaky sewer pipe

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By *oastGentMan over a year ago

NE1

"Better to invest your attention wisely, which is upon the dreadful pandemic that we have and the fully detailed vaccine trials results research evidence.

It's also smart to consider the results that our use of public forum has on others, preferably having some empathy for people if that's possible for you to have.

It's been a bad year for millions and we owe it to each other to support and uplift others. When we're not, we're little, if any better, than a leaky sewer pipe "

We owe nothing to people who intend to antagonise and create debate over misinformation, who’re looking to generate and promote unreasoned doubt. I don’t know how I can be empathetic towards someone like that??

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

What happens if something goes wrong, what right would the people have?

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"What happens if something goes wrong, what right would the people have?"

Well it's been tested so nothing will go wrong jonas.

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By *oastGentMan over a year ago

NE1

"What happens if something goes wrong, what right would the people have?"

The same rights that they’d have if anything goes wrong with any other vaccine they’d ever taken.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Better to invest your attention wisely, which is upon the dreadful pandemic that we have and the fully detailed vaccine trials results research evidence.

It's also smart to consider the results that our use of public forum has on others, preferably having some empathy for people if that's possible for you to have.

It's been a bad year for millions and we owe it to each other to support and uplift others. When we're not, we're little, if any better, than a leaky sewer pipe

I don't know you and we're all a little different. We all generally will have some empathy for our impacts on others.

Separately, I note that this is the second thread opened on this topic, in as many days. There's lots of discussion on the other 1. Not that this topic hasn't been a favourite for many of the antivaccers since the start, when they assured us we'd be injected with microchips too

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What happens if something goes wrong, what right would the people have?"

It's extremely unlikely, but there's a government compensation scheme, like there is for every other vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think it's a good deterrent to stop imaginary "covid vaccine symptoms" popping up all over the country...

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"What happens if something goes wrong, what right would the people have?

Well it's been tested so nothing will go wrong jonas."
That is good. I still think a vaccine needs a longer time for testing tho.

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By *litterbabeWoman over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I find it hard that people don't like other people voicing their worries.

What keeps playing on my mind is that we don't even know all the damage the virus can do, so how can we be sure how the vaccine will react with it?

That just plays on my mind.

I wish I wasn't worried but I am.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I find it hard that people don't like other people voicing their worries.

What keeps playing on my mind is that we don't even know all the damage the virus can do, so how can we be sure how the vaccine will react with it?

That just plays on my mind.

I wish I wasn't worried but I am."

I hope someone who knows more than me will be able to shed some light on it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My thoughts?

As a healthcare worker I’m over the moon to be amongst the first in line to receive the vaccine alongside the vulnerable clients I look after.

I’m willing to take my chances. I want my life back.

Happy to post updates on how I get on after having it if anyone’s interested.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Problem is both the vaccine is safe and it contains a microchip are both extreme opposite of each other, both could be either false or true or somewhere in between..... its person choice, on who you trust, my biggest worry is how long it protect you for?

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS over a year ago

paisley

"What happens if something goes wrong, what right would the people have?

Well it's been tested so nothing will go wrong jonas."

Oh im gonna have it now just on the strength of your say so

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By *ch WellMan over a year ago

Scotland

Why are conspiracy theorists so convinced the vaccine is going to start killing people or making their limbs fall off? Incase they hadn't noticed hundreds of people a day are dying as it is. A vaccine is just as likely to make your cock grow and turn women in to raging nymphos as it is make your arms fall off. Just grow the fuck up and get the vaccine and give folk their fucking lives back.

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By *lack_BBCMan over a year ago

Africa

You need to take at least 3 shoot of vaccines over a period of time in order to protect yourself this vaccine will protect you from sevier corona attack and risk.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"You need to take at least 3 shoot of vaccines over a period of time in order to protect yourself this vaccine will protect you from sevier corona attack and risk. "

2 shots

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

It's a shame they have to, but people would be suing for headaches, injection pain, crappy tiny things that nobody is interested in. It's the world we live in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Like they do for every vaccine and probably most approved medicines we've all been taking for all our lives. So basically, not really news? Milk has calcium, thoughts?

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By *ent in BlackMan over a year ago

Silsden

It’s getting silly now. It’s safe just crack on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"What happens if something goes wrong, what right would the people have?

Well it's been tested so nothing will go wrong jonas.That is good. I still think a vaccine needs a longer time for testing tho."

Research, testing and trials of mRNA vaccines has going on for decades....

With trials carried out on 10’s of thousands of people.

All the possible side effects are well known and understood.

Just exactly how long do you want a vaccine tested for.... ????

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

Thoughts?"

So, getting back to the OP, my thoughts? I think all pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable for any side effects proven to be caused by their products.

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By *amdenfunMan over a year ago

London

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise.

Really? He has just asked for opinions and thoughts on his post. The same as a lot of other people do. If you don't want to share yours on the OP there is no need to accuse him of antagonising people by posting. He has as much right to post his thoughts as you do. "

Exactly. He may or may not be right, but the original post was simply factual and asked for thoughts. I hadn't noticed the Independent's article, so I'm pleased I came across the story here.

Ok. Got to go, might comment more later. But in brief, whilst I think I trust the vaccine, the rabid sentiment towards "anti-vaxxers", clumping them all together, is concerning. And, conspiracy or not, why should they have protection against being sued?

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

"The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

Thoughts?

So, getting back to the OP, my thoughts? I think all pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable for any side effects proven to be caused by their products."

Wouldn't this stop investment in bio companies? Perhaps they would deal only with countries where they won't face litigation.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

Thoughts?

So, getting back to the OP, my thoughts? I think all pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable for any side effects proven to be caused by their products.

Wouldn't this stop investment in bio companies? Perhaps they would deal only with countries where they won't face litigation.

I have no idea. I expressed my opinion on the OP, as requested. Anything else is irrelevant on this thread. Particularly posts which are trying to deflect from the OP to cause arguments.

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By *all me FlikWoman over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term"

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise.

Exactly. He may or may not be right, but the original post was simply factual and asked for thoughts. I hadn't noticed the Independent's article, so I'm pleased I came across the story here.

Thankyou. We all have opinions, sometimes best to agree to disagree. Life is too short and precious.

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By *oastGentMan over a year ago

NE1

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise.

He absolutely has the right to post his thoughts. But has absolutely no right whatsoever to expect immunity from criticism. I have as much right to post my thoughts as he does.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise.

He absolutely has the right to post his thoughts. But has absolutely no right whatsoever to expect immunity from criticism. I have as much right to post my thoughts as he does. "

So what are your thoughts on his post?

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By *oastGentMan over a year ago

NE1

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise.

He absolutely has the right to post his thoughts. But has absolutely no right whatsoever to expect immunity from criticism. I have as much right to post my thoughts as he does.

So what are your thoughts on his post? "

My thoughts are that OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise.

The covid vaccine isn’t receiving any additional immunity from litigation when compared to any other vaccine ever. It’s a click bait non debate and deserves criticism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought."

Good luck growing an extra toe, vaccines are made in 10years not 10weeks, not knowing what will happen in the future due to this vaccine is not something I personally will risk, I’m not an anti vac, but I do believe there will be a lot of trouble in the future due to this drug.

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By *oastGentMan over a year ago

NE1

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

There won’t be any trouble in the future due to this drug. Your opinion is based on misinformation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

There won’t be any trouble in the future due to this drug. Your opinion is based on misinformation.

You can’t say that for sure, no one knows what kind of side effects will happen in the future, like I said before, vaccines are made 10years so they can see the side effects

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

"The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

Thoughts?

So, getting back to the OP, my thoughts? I think all pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable for any side effects proven to be caused by their products.

Wouldn't this stop investment in bio companies? Perhaps they would deal only with countries where they won't face litigation.

I have no idea. I expressed my opinion on the OP, as requested. Anything else is irrelevant on this thread. Particularly posts which are trying to deflect from the OP to cause arguments. "

These are my thoughts. I've got every right just as you have, to state them. It's only the anti-vax people who don't want to hear another view point

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By *ent in BlackMan over a year ago

Silsden

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term"

Have you seen the side effects of ibuprofen? I bet you’ll take that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise. "

It seems to have worked in your case.

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

Pfizer are, one of the largest companies in the world but do have a history of lawsuits against them. They've had to pay out millions, in compensation in the past. Some, lawsuits, were dismissed, some were settled and, some are still ongoing. They also had to pay out a, record 2.3 billion dollars for fraud. Yes they have done some remarkable things but they do also have question marks against them. So why jump in head first. Its best to ask questions first don't you think

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By *oastGentMan over a year ago

NE1

You can’t say that for sure, no one knows what kind of side effects will happen in the future, like I said before, vaccines are made 10years so they can see the side effects "

The covid vaccines are being held to the same standards of safety as any other vaccine brought to public use. Thinking that there’s going to be significant and notable side effects 10 years down the line is laughable. The only thing we’ll be doing in ten years time in relation to the vaccine, is looking back on people susceptible to misinformation and conspiracy, and putting them in the same category as people who think the Earth is flat.

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By *oastGentMan over a year ago

NE1

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise.

It seems to have worked in your case."

Yep

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By *eglieanCouple over a year ago

Torbay

"What happens if something goes wrong, what right would the people have?

Well it's been tested so nothing will go wrong jonas.That is good. I still think a vaccine needs a longer time for testing tho."

If you look at the situation in America and Russia, you can see what happens when it goes untreated. Heard immunity never worked, people are dying in their hundreds of thousands. Think of that happening in the UK. At least our goverment are trying . People voice concern that it's rolled out to quick, the spread/multifulcation figs of the virus are horrific, just look at the speed now in the states. No hospital beds, hospitals at bursti g point, bodies piled in containers.

NO, think I'd stick with the quick rollout, at least might be around if it does go wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You can’t say that for sure, no one knows what kind of side effects will happen in the future, like I said before, vaccines are made 10years so they can see the side effects

The Fens are quite flat

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By *ch WellMan over a year ago

Scotland

All those moaning it should take 10 years not 10 weeks for a vaccine, would you be quite happy to stay in lockdown for 10 years until your paranoia was assured it was safe? What sort of basketcase society domtou think we'd have if you doom mongers had your way?

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

Seems to me that some people are getting worried that their strange little conspiracy world is crumbling around them.

I fully expect to see antivax fairy tales about 'my friend works in the NHS and they know it's killing people' and claims that the vaccine kills because a man who took it got run over by a bus...

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By *oastGentMan over a year ago

NE1

It's healthy to have some scrutiny, think of the thalidomide scandal and the lengths that were taken to suppress the truth and avoid paying compensation. If the vaccine is profitable, there is no reason there shouldn't be a big pot if money for compensation in the unlikely case anything goes wrong. Now if the vaccine was entirely government funded and not going to make shareholders astoundingly wealthy, I'd support endemnity against prosecution if something goes wrong. "

It’s definitely healthy to have some scrutiny, but it works both ways.

There already is a pot of money.

Think how the conversation would go if there wasn’t immunity from litigation....

“Please produce a vaccine for us!”

“NOPE!!!”

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

It’s definitely healthy to have some scrutiny, but it works both ways.

There already is a pot of money.

Think how the conversation would go if there wasn’t immunity from litigation....

“Please produce a vaccine for us!”

“NOPE!!!”"

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By *eglieanCouple over a year ago

Torbay

Simple,,,don't take it if your worried about long-term side effects, wait and see. Your choice.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

Thalidomide was about 60 years ago and the many lessons learned from that were used to shape the stringent safety measures that are in place today.

The Oxford vaccine is a 'not for profit' vaccine, hence the price tag of a few quid - no big money to be had there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise. "

Worked on you then eh?! Jeebus!

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"All those moaning it should take 10 years not 10 weeks for a vaccine, would you be quite happy to stay in lockdown for 10 years until your paranoia was assured it was safe? What sort of basketcase society domtou think we'd have if you doom mongers had your way?"

...and when we get to the end of their preferred ten years, what happens then... wait another ten years..?

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise.

Well said

I may not agree with opinions on here but I'll defend the right they have opinions and not to be subject to vilification because their view isn't the same as others

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By *all me FlikWoman over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

Hmmmm....OK, extra toe or death....I'll take the extra toe thanks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thalidomide was about 60 years ago and the many lessons learned from that were used to shape the stringent safety measures that are in place today.

The Oxford vaccine is a 'not for profit' vaccine, hence the price tag of a few quid - no big money to be had there.

That's really positive, hopefully this model will be replicated to deal with other curable diseases. I'd pay extra tax happily if we could fund more 'not for profit' drugs. It's proof the freemarket is flawed in a crisis. Upto 22'000 children die per day due to poverty, lets deal with that economic health pandemic next.

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By *ent in BlackMan over a year ago

Silsden

But people are saying ten years vs ten weeks, Did it really only take ten weeks? I must have missed that bit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Simple,,,don't take it if your worried about long-term side effects, wait and see. Your choice."

Amen to that

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

There won’t be any trouble in the future due to this drug. Your opinion is based on misinformation.

And your information is based on?

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

The mRNA model appears to be more suited to that sort of application and I really, really hope that a legacy of covid is that we've learned some lessons from it, both scientifically and socially.

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

Thalidomide was about 60 years ago and the many lessons learned from that were used to shape the stringent safety measures that are in place today.

The Oxford vaccine is a 'not for profit' vaccine, hence the price tag of a few quid - no big money to be had there.

So this eclipses the pandemic

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By *all me FlikWoman over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"But people are saying ten years vs ten weeks, Did it really only take ten weeks? I must have missed that bit. "

Of course not but you don't want to let facts get in the way of a good story do you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise. "

what blows my mind is on my social media the people who are covid deniers and desperate for things to get back to normal are also the ones slating the vaccine that will help get us back to normal ... if you dont want to take it fine but why put others off if it helps you get back the life you are so desperately missing?

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"But people are saying ten years vs ten weeks, Did it really only take ten weeks? I must have missed that bit. "

If it only takes ten weeks then we'd have had a vaccine in April.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

There won’t be any trouble in the future due to this drug. Your opinion is based on misinformation.

And your information is based on? "

Information is based on common sense. No one can predict what happens in the future, I believe that the standards are probably met but that doesn’t mean you won’t get side effects, this can be from mild to lethal ( we don’t know yet). Any new drug takes years to rule this out but in this case they can’t see what lies in the future

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By *ust PeachyWoman over a year ago

Prestonish

"Why are conspiracy theorists so convinced the vaccine is going to start killing people or making their limbs fall off? Incase they hadn't noticed hundreds of people a day are dying as it is. A vaccine is just as likely to make your cock grow and turn women in to raging nymphos as it is make your arms fall off. Just grow the fuck up and get the vaccine and give folk their fucking lives back."

Well phelidomide did. (Apologies if I’ve spelled it incorrectly) the implications of that can still be seen today - for the victims who are still alive.

I’m not suggesting (and certainly not hoping) that there will be massive negative side effects to this vaccine - but by necessity it has been ‘rushed through’ and there may or may not be negative implications to that. The fact is - nobody knows - and whilst I totally understand those who want us all to have the vaccine to ‘get our lives back’ - those who are worried or cautious shouldn’t be lambasted!

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise.

Yep.

That pretty much typifies the twisted logic that's been going on for ages.

I see that Facebook are now going to be removing antivax posts rather than just flagging them as fake.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

Well phelidomide did. (Apologies if I’ve spelled it incorrectly) the implications of that can still be seen today - for the victims who are still alive.

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By *addyBabygirl2020Couple over a year ago

norwich

"What happens if something goes wrong, what right would the people have?

Well it's been tested so nothing will go wrong jonas."

Covid has not even been around for a year, testing can have only been going on for 3 months or so.

How do we no there will not be some longer term damage.

The swine flu vaccine was rushed through testing and resulted in multiple cases of life changing narcolepsy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think people are far too quick to read something into a post... So what if it was meant to get a reaction... If you hadn't have reacted by going off on one about it maybe a discussion may have been had... As it had been by the sensible people on here that just read the post and replied.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"how many times do people need telling it was a pill that some pregnant women took and it affected the fetus.It was NOT a vaccine ffs."

Yep.

It was about 60 years ago as well, so not a very accurate comparison.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"What happens if something goes wrong, what right would the people have?

Well it's been tested so nothing will go wrong jonas.

Covid has not even been around for a year, testing can have only been going on for 3 months or so.

How do we no there will not be some longer term damage.

The swine flu vaccine was rushed through testing and resulted in multiple cases of life changing narcolepsy."

So how long *should* we be testing for?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term"

Yes. I'm willing to take the chance.

People made similar arguments about Jenner and look where we are now - smallpox has been eradicated

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By *ent in BlackMan over a year ago

Silsden

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Yes. I'm willing to take the chance.

People made similar arguments about Jenner and look where we are now - smallpox has been eradicated

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"For the record, OP is a serial covid denier on this forum and the original post was absolutely designed to antagonise.

It's consistent with libertarianism - no need for state aid (except for exceptions) and no desire to be part of the state.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"I think people are far too quick to read something into a post... So what if it was meant to get a reaction... If you hadn't have reacted by going off on one about it maybe a discussion may have been had... As it had been by the sensible people on here that just read the post and replied. "
People should be careful of what they post how many people have died because they were told it was a hoax? i hope they can live with that on their conscience.

The same with the anti vax brigade they should think before they post stuff that they no nothing about there will be gullible people who will believe them and die,i would much prefer to put my trust in experts from around the world than some idiot on facebook.

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

As I have stated before the fear around the speed of development of the mRNA vaccine. Is based around headlines rather than people fully understanding the science.

This type of mRNA vaccine has been in development for decades not just a single year. Any possible side effects are now well understood as trials have been carried out on 10’s of thousands of people over the years.

The difference is that with COVID-19 vast sums of money and people have been thrown at it to isolate the right part of the virus to create a targeted mRNA response. Rather than a small group of researchers continually scrabbling for funding.

The same is true of the Oxford-AZ vaccine.

If you wish to wait another ten years to be vaccinated that’s your choice. No one will be forcing you to have the vaccine it will still be your freedom of choice. Though like everything in this life each choice has it’s consequences whether you like it or not.

But before you give an option make sure you fully acquaint yourself with science behind these developments otherwise your posts are just ill informed and only help to spread misinformation.

It’s all about educating yourselves with verifiable sources and information.

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

In order to create a vaccine against a virus, first you must have a virus. Box ticked.

Lessons will have been learnt from previous viral outbreaks and blank templates will have been created, ready to be modified to suit the next virus. Much future research time will have been saved. Box ticked.

The world's scientific communities will have come together to create the vaccine. Box ticked.

Governments and research facillties of the world will have thrown huge sums of money to facilitate the research. Box ticked.

There's nothing like a global pandemic to chivvy things along. Box ticked.

Taking your 10 years to develop a vaccine to it's logical conclusion;

hundreds of thousands of people throughout the world are losing their lives, hundreds and thousands of others are suffering the life lasting effects of long covid, the virus is spreading exponentially, economies are in ruins, businesses are failing.

Heyyyyyyyy, no rush, we'll take that 10 years to get this across the line.

Your 10 year position is logically and factually bankrupt.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"As I have stated before the fear around the speed of development of the mRNA vaccine. Is based around headlines rather than people fully understanding the science.

The same is true of the Oxford-AZ vaccine.

But before you give an option make sure you fully acquaint yourself with science behind these developments otherwise your posts are just ill informed and only help to spread misinformation.

It’s all about educating yourselves with verifiable sources and information.

Absolutely.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Better to invest your attention wisely, which is upon the dreadful pandemic that we have and the fully detailed vaccine trials results research evidence.

It's also smart to consider the results that our use of public forum has on others, preferably having some empathy for people if that's possible for you to have.

It's been a bad year for millions and we owe it to each other to support and uplift others. When we're not, we're little, if any better, than a leaky sewer pipe "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thalidomide was about 60 years ago and the many lessons learned from that were used to shape the stringent safety measures that are in place today.

The Oxford vaccine is a 'not for profit' vaccine, hence the price tag of a few quid - no big money to be had there.

So this eclipses the pandemic "

Yes but we are desensitised to these deaths, it's often seen as the collateral damage of capitalism. What I've found fascinating is how over a few weeks we managed to house homeless people, why did we ever tolerate the failure to do so before? We keep talking about the collasal debt we have accumulated over the crisis, my question is, who do we owe this money to? If it's the banks, we bailed them out and nationalised their debts. Like the vaccine being 'not for profit' so should our borrowing to pay for the crisis. It still baffles me why America made the UK pay back the debt to save the planet after World war 2. Let's not let the same thing happen with this crisis, debt being paid back for infinity to a banking cartel that works for the wealthiest.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Thalidomide was about 60 years ago and the many lessons learned from that were used to shape the stringent safety measures that are in place today.

The Oxford vaccine is a 'not for profit' vaccine, hence the price tag of a few quid - no big money to be had there.

So this eclipses the pandemic

I keep hearing things like, why should we mask for the pandemic. We never did for the flu!

Well maybe we should, good idea anti maskers

We need to do better in so many ways.

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By *arry247Couple over a year ago

Wakefield

"The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

Thoughts?"

That is standard stop scaremongering

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Let the vaccination come it's due Tuesday everyone has an opinion on this which they are all entitled to

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The any face covering rule should change to surgical masks that have been tested for purpose. It's ridiculous people are walking around with wish. Con Chinese masks printed with dubious chemicals and washed in unknown sanitary conditions prior to being placed in an envelope and sent across the globe. Did the packer wear gloves? Did the low paid worker have a well maintained face mask?

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By *uietlyKinkyUsCouple over a year ago

midlands

Critique the post, not the poster.

Personal attacks are unacceptable.

No matter where on the spectrum you sit treat others with respect or avoid the thread please.

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

There won’t be any trouble in the future due to this drug. Your opinion is based on misinformation.

And your information is based on?

Ah so nothing actually fact. Some people's common sense says not to partake of the vaccine.

Hmmmm? I believe and probably aren't facts. They are your opinions.

I'm not knocking your opinions but without concrete facts, they are only opinions.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The any face covering rule should change to surgical masks that have been tested for purpose. It's ridiculous people are walking around with wish. Con Chinese masks printed with dubious chemicals and washed in unknown sanitary conditions prior to being placed in an envelope and sent across the globe. Did the packer wear gloves? Did the low paid worker have a well maintained face mask? "

Hmm. I'm pretty sure they've looked and have found that cloth coverings are pretty effective. It's what I use (I run them through the washing machine before first use and after every use).

In the beginning they said we shouldn't wear masks because of shortages - would requiring proper PPE mean more shortages? I'd certainly rather proper PPE go to trained NHS staff rather than Joe/June nipping into Tesco with a chin bra.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think people are far too quick to read something into a post... So what if it was meant to get a reaction... If you hadn't have reacted by going off on one about it maybe a discussion may have been had... As it had been by the sensible people on here that just read the post and replied. People should be careful of what they post how many people have died because they were told it was a hoax? i hope they can live with that on their conscience.

But the original post said nothing about either of those things.

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS over a year ago

paisley

"It’s getting silly now. It’s safe just crack on."

As stated before if you say it's safe and you already know it wont have any side effects, ill havd it just on the strength of your say so.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's received the same immunity as every other vaccine and the reasons are clearly stated on the government documents.

I think it's as good as the reasoning which applies to existing vaccines."

Ariel - this is why my first reply was this.

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS over a year ago

paisley

"Critique the post, not the poster.

Personal attacks are unacceptable.

No matter where on the spectrum you sit treat others with respect or avoid the thread please."

You wouldn't believe the amount of personal attacks ive had in my inbox.

Seems only those who are for the vaccine are right, are entitled to their opinion only, and us who dont trust whats going are conspiracy theorists and are NOT entitled to their opinions.

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By *ust some cock suckerMan over a year ago

Preston

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

There won’t be any trouble in the future due to this drug. Your opinion is based on misinformation.

You can’t say that for sure, no one knows what kind of side effects will happen in the future, like I said before, vaccines are made 10years so they can see the side effects "

You may want to research a bit which is quick and easy to do regarding the vaccine so you'd understand it hasn't been made from scratch and much of the tech has been around for a long time and has been subject to years of research and development already.

Just like building a software engine over a few years then modifying it to perform different functions.

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By *entleman_spyMan over a year ago

nearby

I’ll probably take it at some point but certainly not in these early stages, once it’s been through a few people and the full extent known then i may well get on board. I’m far enough down the priority list anyway for it not to be a worry at the moment.

For me the risk of suffering severe illness from the virus is low.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

There won’t be any trouble in the future due to this drug. Your opinion is based on misinformation.

You can’t say that for sure, no one knows what kind of side effects will happen in the future, like I said before, vaccines are made 10years so they can see the side effects "

This 10 years trope is silly nonsense that has no foundation in reality.

My working in a lab, whilst teaching and working on many other projects, has to get approval internally and typically externally, secure funding for each stage, secure thousands of healthy volunteers for things that may have little interest for most people. I have to find volunteers in many countries, which means negotiations with foreign approvals bodies, governments etc, which has a huge time and financial cost. It could take me 10, 20 years or more but be patchy, start-stop and you'll not follow my news. The claptrap 10 years trope won't have meant that I've been more thorough in any of my projects, it could likely just reflect that I have limited resources. Compared to vaccines that build on decades of existing work, where governments globally are motivated to get things moving, there's available funding and eager volunteers who want to help to stop the crisis in economies and mounting death tolls.

This farcical nonsense of 10 years etc, needs to be consigned to the sewars of misinformation that are being pushed to leak by dubious sources.

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

There won’t be any trouble in the future due to this drug. Your opinion is based on misinformation.

You can’t say that for sure, no one knows what kind of side effects will happen in the future, like I said before, vaccines are made 10years so they can see the side effects

This 10 years trope is silly nonsense that has no foundation in reality.

This farcical nonsense of 10 years etc, needs to be consigned to the sewars of misinformation that are being pushed to leak by dubious sources. "

This. ^

If anyone things a research facility is just going to plod along, merrily taking 10 years to develop a vaccine, whilst the entire world is in the middle of a global pandemic needs to have their bumps felt.

It's utter nonsense.

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By *amdenfunMan over a year ago

London

"The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

Thoughts?

So, getting back to the OP, my thoughts? I think all pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable for any side effects proven to be caused by their products.

Wouldn't this stop investment in bio companies? Perhaps they would deal only with countries where they won't face litigation.

I have no idea. I expressed my opinion on the OP, as requested. Anything else is irrelevant on this thread. Particularly posts which are trying to deflect from the OP to cause arguments.

These are my thoughts. I've got every right just as you have, to state them. It's only the anti-vax people who don't want to hear another view point

Opposite, I find. It's this use of the word "anti-vaxxers", clumping them all together, that indicates that much of the time they're all just dismissed in one go with no argument at all.

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By *amdenfunMan over a year ago

London

"What happens in 10years? The side effects? Are you willing to take the risk? Think about long term not the short term

Think about the long term effects of no vaccine....much scarier thought.

There won’t be any trouble in the future due to this drug. Your opinion is based on misinformation.

You can’t say that for sure, no one knows what kind of side effects will happen in the future, like I said before, vaccines are made 10years so they can see the side effects

Just like building a software engine over a few years then modifying it to perform different functions. "

Mind sending a link to some research on this I can read quickly and easily? I’d love to completely understand it. I doubt I will.

And I expect there are complications that will get hushed over and will be difficult to research - the government and the manufacturer will provide a pithy article explaining how it works. I can’t see them going into the minutiae of why it might not work or might be more complicated than seems.

And that doesn’t mean I’m against the vaccine.

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Whether they agree with the vaccine or not they have their own point of view.

Why are the people who rejoice at the vaccine so vehemently aggressive to others who hold their own opinion.. Similarly, why do the people who don't want the vaccine being shamed or even coerced into having it. Each has their own opinions.

All the talk of vaccine certification, barred from public places, refused treatment at the NHS, can't go here, can't go there is not official.

There are many who fear the vaccine just as much or even more than the pandemic so why try to force them to have something they obviously don't or can't have?

Only yesterday I saw a woman shouting at another woman because she didn't have a mask on in a shop. Nothing to do with the fact that she had her nose stuck out of hers. Plus, it's not up to members of the public to vilify others who may be exempt from wearing masks. Nobody in that setting could ask why aren't they wearing a mask.. If they're exempt, they're exempt.

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By *otsossieMan over a year ago

Chesterfield

It’s going to folk in care homes first.

By the time they get around to the under 50s we’ll be more worried about Brexit food shortages.

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By *entleman_spyMan over a year ago

nearby

It’s the way it is now, and it’s something I blame social media for. Every single issue now has its factions formed split down the middle and faction A always respond to faction B with name calling, and hate. You can’t even be allowed to show understanding of there being another side without ridicule.

To be fair it’s always existed in school playgrounds, but the anonymous nature of the internet has allowed it to seep in to grown up conversation also.

Unfortunately the combative nature of the conversation tends to overwhelm the moderate sensible voices to the point they just don’t get involved.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It’s going to folk in care homes first.

By the time they get around to the under 50s we’ll be more worried about Brexit food shortages. "

Lol sob

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By *andK78Couple over a year ago

Newport

Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong.

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By *tra.MarksMan over a year ago

Neath

I will be interested to know how this is going to be distributed. It needs to be stored at -75c and has a 6 hour lifetime once defrosted. It comes in a pack of 900 or so which I think will take 6 nurses 6 hours to inject the full pack in time.

I will have the vaccine but it's got the potential for a huge cock up and this government have a bad record.

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By *ch WellMan over a year ago

Scotland

"I will be interested to know how this is going to be distributed. It needs to be stored at -75c and has a 6 hour lifetime once defrosted. It comes in a pack of 900 or so which I think will take 6 nurses 6 hours to inject the full pack in time.

I will have the vaccine but it's got the potential for a huge cock up and this government have a bad record. "

I think they'll have it covered

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

I see facebook have said they will start to remove vaccine lies, fake facts and bullshit

Maybe time other social media did the same ...

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By *tra.MarksMan over a year ago

Neath

I think they'll have it covered"

First time for everything I guess ??

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By *ch WellMan over a year ago

Scotland

"Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong."

It wasn't a vaccine. Aware of any vaccines that have sent wrong by any chance?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong.

It wasn't a vaccine. Aware of any vaccines that have sent wrong by any chance?"

I hate to bring this up, but look at the UN report on Polio being introduced into Africa through a mutation in the vaccine.

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By *iobhan123Woman over a year ago

Deal

Have my first delivery to administer from the 14th of December to the over 80s, all hands on deck

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

I will have the vaccine but it's got the potential for a huge cock up and this government have a bad record. "

The vaccine can be stored in a standard fridge for 5 days after defrosting not 6 hours.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"I see facebook have said they will start to remove vaccine lies, fake facts and bullshit

Maybe time other social media did the same ..."

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By *ust some cock suckerMan over a year ago

Preston

"Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong."

Could just say the exact same thing for a new aeroplane coming into service , remember how that went 100 years ago so I'll wait another 100 years

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong.

Could just say the exact same thing for a new aeroplane coming into service , remember how that went 100 years ago so I'll wait another 100 years

What about the hindenburg !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Will pass on it cheers

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By *ust some cock suckerMan over a year ago

Preston

"Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong.

Could just say the exact same thing for a new aeroplane coming into service , remember how that went 100 years ago so I'll wait another 100 years

What about the hindenburg !!!"

Yes, that's me never ever going in a hot air balloon too lol

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

"Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong."

I don't believe the Thalidomide tragedy was the result of a vaccine.

Plus, it was 60 odd years ago, I suspect research, testing, screening, certification, overall safety and legislation "might" have moved on in the intervening 60 years.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

"Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong.

I don't believe the Thalidomide tragedy was the result of a vaccine.

Plus, it was 60 odd years ago, I suspect research, testing, screening, certification, overall safety and legislation "might" have moved on in the intervening 60 years.

Correct thalidomide is a medicine not a vaccine. It was caused by a thing called chirality whos effects were not understood back then. One enantiomer was safe for pregnant women to take one not. Science has moved on along way in 60 years. Testing and legislation has moved on immensely one of the main causes of the thalidomide scandal was it use outside its original planned and tested use. You couldn't even test something outside its original use these days without a lot red tape and research. Hence why drugs like HCQ couldn't just be tested on a whim.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

You can’t say that for sure, no one knows what kind of side effects will happen in the future, like I said before, vaccines are made 10years so they can see the side effects

The earth is round. I don't want the vaccine. The pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable for any proven side effects. The End.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Whether they agree with the vaccine or not they have their own point of view.

All the talk of vaccine certification, barred from public places, refused treatment at the NHS, can't go here, can't go there is not official.

There are many who fear the vaccine just as much or even more than the pandemic so why try to force them to have something they obviously don't or can't have?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

Thoughts?

So, getting back to the OP, my thoughts? I think all pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable for any side effects proven to be caused by their products.

Wouldn't this stop investment in bio companies? Perhaps they would deal only with countries where they won't face litigation.

I have no idea. I expressed my opinion on the OP, as requested. Anything else is irrelevant on this thread. Particularly posts which are trying to deflect from the OP to cause arguments.

These are my thoughts. I've got every right just as you have, to state them. It's only the anti-vax people who don't want to hear another view point

Opposite, I find. It's this use of the word "anti-vaxxers", clumping them all together, that indicates that much of the time they're all just dismissed in one go with no argument at all. "

Totally agree. I'm not anti vax at all, I just won't be having this particular one. The pro vaxxers are very intolerant and disrespectful towards anyone else with alternative views in my experience, use of the phrases anti vax, flat earth, tin foil hat etc spring to mind when they can do nothing more than hurl insults. It's childish, to say the very least.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong.

I don't believe the Thalidomide tragedy was the result of a vaccine.

Plus, it was 60 odd years ago, I suspect research, testing, screening, certification, overall safety and legislation "might" have moved on in the intervening 60 years.

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

To be fair it’s always existed in school playgrounds, but the anonymous nature of the internet has allowed it to seep in to grown up conversation also.

Unfortunately the combative nature of the conversation tends to overwhelm the moderate sensible voices to the point they just don’t get involved."

Thank you and there were school playgrounds when I was at school. Yeah, social media is anonymous

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

I will have the vaccine but it's got the potential for a huge cock up and this government have a bad record. "

To be fair, on the news and from the government it's - 70c and packs of 975

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

Thoughts?

So, getting back to the OP, my thoughts? I think all pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable for any side effects proven to be caused by their products.

Wouldn't this stop investment in bio companies? Perhaps they would deal only with countries where they won't face litigation.

I have no idea. I expressed my opinion on the OP, as requested. Anything else is irrelevant on this thread. Particularly posts which are trying to deflect from the OP to cause arguments.

These are my thoughts. I've got every right just as you have, to state them. It's only the anti-vax people who don't want to hear another view point

Opposite, I find. It's this use of the word "anti-vaxxers", clumping them all together, that indicates that much of the time they're all just dismissed in one go with no argument at all.

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

You can’t say that for sure, no one knows what kind of side effects will happen in the future, like I said before, vaccines are made 10years so they can see the side effects

The earth is round. I don't want the vaccine. The pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable for any proven side effects. The End. "

Correct!!! the earth is round when viewed from space....

But in truth it is an irregularly shaped ellipsis....

It’s entirely up to you if you get vaccinated or not but understand the science, testing and regulatory requirements and rigour that goes on before a vaccine becomes available.

As this is a global pandemic certain countries, organisations and venues might require it before you visit them.

Only after you have the full unbiased facts then you can make an informed decision. On whether to be vaccinated or not and accept the consequences that go with either decision.

Basing a view on misinformation only cheats yourself of the real facts.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

Thoughts?

So, getting back to the OP, my thoughts? I think all pharmaceutical companies should be held accountable for any side effects proven to be caused by their products.

Wouldn't this stop investment in bio companies? Perhaps they would deal only with countries where they won't face litigation.

I have no idea. I expressed my opinion on the OP, as requested. Anything else is irrelevant on this thread. Particularly posts which are trying to deflect from the OP to cause arguments.

These are my thoughts. I've got every right just as you have, to state them. It's only the anti-vax people who don't want to hear another view point

Opposite, I find. It's this use of the word "anti-vaxxers", clumping them all together, that indicates that much of the time they're all just dismissed in one go with no argument at all.

It sure is

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By *ent in BlackMan over a year ago

Silsden

"Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong.

Could just say the exact same thing for a new aeroplane coming into service , remember how that went 100 years ago so I'll wait another 100 years

What about the hindenburg !!!

Yes, that's me never ever going in a hot air balloon too lol"

The Hinderberg was an hydrogen filled ballon covered with a flammable skin. Not a hot air ballon.

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By *xtrafun4youMan over a year ago

Dunstable

"Think it's a good deterrent to stop imaginary "covid vaccine symptoms" popping up all over the country... "
hehe. I won't be having it.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"Thalidomide.

That's enough of a reminder of long term when it goes wrong.

Could just say the exact same thing for a new aeroplane coming into service , remember how that went 100 years ago so I'll wait another 100 years

What about the hindenburg !!!

Yes, that's me never ever going in a hot air balloon too lol

The Hinderberg was an hydrogen filled ballon covered with a flammable skin. Not a hot air ballon."

And it's got as much relevance to the Pfizer vaccine as thalidomide.

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By *irty_DeedsMan over a year ago

Teesside

At the risk of having the tin foil hat/conspiracy theorist/anti Vax label attached to me. I won't be having it. I don't take medicine I don't need and my body already fought of COVID with relative ease so I'll pass.

I'll take my chances that I can't be reinfected, which judging by the miniscule number of reinfections, is the most likely outcome for the majority who have had it.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"At the risk of having the tin foil hat/conspiracy theorist/anti Vax label attached to me. I won't be having it. I don't take medicine I don't need and my body already fought of COVID with relative ease so I'll pass.

I'll take my chances that I can't be reinfected, which judging by the miniscule number of reinfections, is the most likely outcome for the majority who have had it."

You shouldn't be labelled, it's your choice.

We will, some won't that's fine

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I'll take my chances that I can't be reinfected, which judging by the miniscule number of reinfections, is the most likely outcome for the majority who have had it.

You shouldn't be labelled, it's your choice.

We will, some won't that's fine"

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By *ust PeachyWoman over a year ago

Prestonish

Well phelidomide did. (Apologies if I’ve spelled it incorrectly) the implications of that can still be seen today - for the victims who are still alive.

I’m aware of that. I’m merely stating that pharmaceutical companies are not infallible.

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By *DGF20Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Pfizer are, one of the largest companies in the world but do have a history of lawsuits against them. They've had to pay out millions, in compensation in the past. Some, lawsuits, were dismissed, some were settled and, some are still ongoing. They also had to pay out a, record 2.3 billion dollars for fraud. Yes they have done some remarkable things but they do also have question marks against them. So why jump in head first. Its best to ask questions first don't you think "

"Pfizer faces a growing number of lawsuits in 2018 involving some of its most popular drugs"

"Pfizer set a record for the largest health care fraud settlement and the largest criminal fine of any kind with $2.3 billion in 2009"

"In 2013, Pfizer agreed to pay $55 million to settle criminal charges. The U.S. Department of Justice said Wyeth promoted Protonix for unapproved uses in 2000 and 2001"

"Nearly 10,000 women filed Prempro breast cancer lawsuits against Pfizer. By 2012, Pfizer settled most of the claims for more than $1 billion"

"In 2011, Pfizer paid $700,000 to four families who lost children during the Trovan trials"

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

Well phelidomide did. (Apologies if I’ve spelled it incorrectly) the implications of that can still be seen today - for the victims who are still alive.

I’m aware of that. I’m merely stating that pharmaceutical companies are not infallible. "

Which is why trials.are carried out and documented.

It's up to a government whether they can accept the trial data and authorise use.

I'd imagine if a pharmaceutical company was fraudulent in the trials (which is unlikely) and the safety data was incorrect then the pharmaceutical company could be liable in some way but as the UK government have said they have checked the data and they are happy then they are liable for any unforeseen incidences I guess.

Don't forget the vaccine information leaflet has a very long list of possible side effects (as do aspirim or paracetamol) so you can't sue for any of those and so if your not happy don't take it or seek clarification from your gp

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

It’s entirely up to you if you get vaccinated or not but understand the science, testing and regulatory requirements and rigour that goes on before a vaccine becomes available.

As this is a global pandemic certain countries, organisations and venues might require it before you visit them.

Only after you have the full unbiased facts then you can make an informed decision. On whether to be vaccinated or not and accept the consequences that go with either decision.

Basing a view on misinformation only cheats yourself of the real facts.

Hmm? Something interesting there.

You say it's entirely up to you whether to get vaccinated or not yet the FULL facts aren't released. Yes they've gone through all the relevant safety tests etc but where does it say what it actually contains?

Once a person actually knows what's in the vaccine then they can make an informed decision. If they don't know exactly what's in it, they CANNOT make an informed decision

You then go on to say that certain counties, organisations and venues MIGHT require it before visiting them? Hmmmm? Any FACTS behind this or social media?

As the FULL UNBIASED FACTS haven't been listed, nobody can make an informed decision.

Once the FACTS of the make up of the vaccines are published and if there are ANY consequences for having the vaccine or not, then they can choose..

I'm not saying there will or won't be consequences but let's try and refrain from make guesswork or opinions to claim to be facts

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"It’s entirely up to you if you get vaccinated or not but understand the science, testing and regulatory requirements and rigour that goes on before a vaccine becomes available.

As this is a global pandemic certain countries, organisations and venues might require it before you visit them.

Only after you have the full unbiased facts then you can make an informed decision. On whether to be vaccinated or not and accept the consequences that go with either decision.

Basing a view on misinformation only cheats yourself of the real facts.

Hmm? Something interesting there.

Once a person actually knows what's in the vaccine then they can make an informed decision. If they don't know exactly what's in it, they CANNOT make an informed decision

You then go on to say that certain counties, organisations and venues MIGHT require it before visiting them? Hmmmm? Any FACTS behind this or social media?

As the FULL UNBIASED FACTS haven't been listed, nobody can make an informed decision.

Once the FACTS of the make up of the vaccines are published and if there are ANY consequences for having the vaccine or not, then they can choose..

I'm not saying there will or won't be consequences but let's try and refrain from make guesswork or opinions to claim to be facts "

And if you were told EXACTLY what was in the vaccine, would you understand a word of it?

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"It’s entirely up to you if you get vaccinated or not but understand the science, testing and regulatory requirements and rigour that goes on before a vaccine becomes available.

As this is a global pandemic certain countries, organisations and venues might require it before you visit them.

Only after you have the full unbiased facts then you can make an informed decision. On whether to be vaccinated or not and accept the consequences that go with either decision.

Basing a view on misinformation only cheats yourself of the real facts.

Hmm? Something interesting there.

Once a person actually knows what's in the vaccine then they can make an informed decision. If they don't know exactly what's in it, they CANNOT make an informed decision

You then go on to say that certain counties, organisations and venues MIGHT require it before visiting them? Hmmmm? Any FACTS behind this or social media?

As the FULL UNBIASED FACTS haven't been listed, nobody can make an informed decision.

Once the FACTS of the make up of the vaccines are published and if there are ANY consequences for having the vaccine or not, then they can choose..

I'm not saying there will or won't be consequences but let's try and refrain from make guesswork or opinions to claim to be facts "

Firstly if you look at on the gov.uk website then you will find all the details of the approved vaccine including all the regulatory requirements for approval.

The facts are published if you are prepared to look and read them.

MIGHT is a modal verb, used to express the possibility that something will happen or be done,

Some countries government ministers have already floated this idea of restrictions to non vaccinated visitors though yet to enact it. Therefore you should be aware of that possibility even if it doesn’t happen.

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

"It’s entirely up to you if you get vaccinated or not but understand the science, testing and regulatory requirements and rigour that goes on before a vaccine becomes available.

As this is a global pandemic certain countries, organisations and venues might require it before you visit them.

Only after you have the full unbiased facts then you can make an informed decision. On whether to be vaccinated or not and accept the consequences that go with either decision.

Basing a view on misinformation only cheats yourself of the real facts.

Hmm? Something interesting there.

Once a person actually knows what's in the vaccine then they can make an informed decision. If they don't know exactly what's in it, they CANNOT make an informed decision

You then go on to say that certain counties, organisations and venues MIGHT require it before visiting them? Hmmmm? Any FACTS behind this or social media?

As the FULL UNBIASED FACTS haven't been listed, nobody can make an informed decision.

Once the FACTS of the make up of the vaccines are published and if there are ANY consequences for having the vaccine or not, then they can choose..

I'm not saying there will or won't be consequences but let's try and refrain from make guesswork or opinions to claim to be facts

And if you were told EXACTLY what was in the vaccine, would you understand a word of it?"

Maybe not but I can use Google to find out what is in it once they release that information