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Compulsory vaccination by any other name

By *uadzilla OP Man over a year ago

Warwickshire

So it appears that the new minister for vaccination has admitted that immunity passports are being considered and if you have the vaccine you will be allowed to go the pub/restaurant, cinemas, football grounds etc. He has also said that if you were to not have the vaccine you will have to live with restrictions etc but "it's your choice" not much a choice then is it ? Compulsory by any other name.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So it appears that the new minister for vaccination has admitted that immunity passports are being considered and if you have the vaccine you will be allowed to go the pub/restaurant, cinemas, football grounds etc. He has also said that if you were to not have the vaccine you will have to live with restrictions etc but "it's your choice" not much a choice then is it ? Compulsory by any other name. "

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility. "

Even by your standards that’s a pretty poor comparison.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And much like track and trace most places won’t bother with checking it, employers will insist that staff don’t install/use it

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

Can't see anyone needing a vaccine passport in pubs restaurants and cinemas. Football grounds maybe initially but i doubt long term. I can definitely see you needing it for international travel. Governments and airlines will insist on it. They do for other vaccinations so why not. Just in the uk if enough people get vaccinated quickly enough it will protect everyone even the anti vaxx freeriders.

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By *arry247Couple over a year ago

Wakefield

No just don't go to the places mentioned until the virus is out of the way.

On the other hand it is strange immunity passports are mentioned as no-one yet knows if a person who has been vaccinated has immunity or not, they still do not know for certain if someone who has had covid-19 has any immunity but there are suggestions some may have up to 6 months so far

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility.

Even by your standards that’s a pretty poor comparison."

Quite frankly, I'm beyond caring, so sick of the bollocks that's spouted on here daily, and the constant bending, twisting and down right flouting of the law. I stand by what I said, you want to be a part of society, act like it and think beyond yourself.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

It's a choice that you are freely able to take. As always, review the evidence and understand the context that you are within.

Until anything is in law, you are not bohndaried, unless your mind does that to you.

Travel has a long history of vaccination requirements.

We can all do our various parts in making the UK safer again. As the country becomes safer, we can also help to rebuild the economy.

Assorted restrictions will continue until we're a safe enough country again.

We voted for these people in to lead us to

, so we live with the consequences

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"you want to be a part of society, act like it and think beyond yourself."

somebody get that on a billboard

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility.

Even by your standards that’s a pretty poor comparison.

yes!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"you want to be a part of society, act like it and think beyond yourself.

somebody get that on a billboard"

Double yes

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility.

Even by your standards that’s a pretty poor comparison.

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By *rincess PhoenixWoman over a year ago

Southampton

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility. "

I'm studying Criminology at the moment and that is one of the concepts "You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility"

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility.

Even by your standards that’s a pretty poor comparison.

Yeah, but....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility.

I'm studying Criminology at the moment and that is one of the concepts "You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility""

Ah I studied philosophy and this was also covered... "With great power there must also come great responsibility"

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

It will be pointless if it turns out that a new jab is needed each year like flu. It might work in the very short term of the next six months

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By *lan157Man over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

You need a yellow fever jab and certificate to go to some African countries. You haven't got one you can't enter .No exceptions. It could be the same with Covid vacination certificates within the UK for swing clubs and sporting events etc. Its not about oneself it's about protecting others.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

You could well be right and not just the UK. I can see popular holiday countries making it a pre condition

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

I’ll wait and see who in the population actually gets offered the vaccine before deciding on whether this is a viable option

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

Deffinatly hope we have health passports. I for one don't want to sit next to a virus riddled idiot

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies."

Well people have tried to argue in court that euthanasia should be allowed, and it's never worked.

They sure as hell aren't going to accept an argument about restrictions designed to protect others.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility.

Even by your standards that’s a pretty poor comparison.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"And much like track and trace most places won’t bother with checking it, employers will insist that staff don’t install/use it "

I'd expect a new law to be introduced to cover that eventuality.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Well people have tried to argue in court that euthanasia should be allowed, and it's never worked.

They sure as hell aren't going to accept an argument about restrictions designed to protect others."

Freedom of choice vs State control of people's bodies. It's a slightly different argument to assisted suicide.

Using that logic though, why isn't the flu jab compulsory? Or should that be included in the Immunity Passport too?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"Deffinatly hope we have health passports. I for one don't want to sit next to a virus riddled idiot

If you have had the vaccine it wont be a problem will it

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

"Deffinatly hope we have health passports. I for one don't want to sit next to a virus riddled idiot

You wouldn’t know that the individuals around you had been definitely vaccinated, as some will be exempt for medical reasons and not ‘idiots’ as you so eloquently put it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They do no, being vaccinated doesn't guarantee immunity, right?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

"They do no, being vaccinated doesn't guarantee immunity, right?

I don’t think some of them do, but then again nor do the scientists know for sure yet or how long it lasts

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

Well people have tried to argue in court that euthanasia should be allowed, and it's never worked.

They sure as hell aren't going to accept an argument about restrictions designed to protect others.

Freedom of choice vs State control of people's bodies. It's a slightly different argument to assisted suicide.

Freedom of choice has limitations when it impacts the greater society.

Nobody is removing your 'freedom' not to have a vaccination, but restrictions on your activities could be a price that you, not the rest of us, could potentially have to live with.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

Well people have tried to argue in court that euthanasia should be allowed, and it's never worked.

They sure as hell aren't going to accept an argument about restrictions designed to protect others.

Freedom of choice vs State control of people's bodies. It's a slightly different argument to assisted suicide.

Freedom of choice has limitations when it impacts the greater society.

Nobody is removing your 'freedom' not to have a vaccination, but restrictions on your activities could be a price that you, not the rest of us, could potentially have to live with.

Those restrictions could potentially cost people their jobs (in certain industries).

Using those criteria, why is the flu jab not included in the Immunity passport?

There is no guarantee that immunisation will be successful and no guarantee that it will be safe in the long term (side effects etc).

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Private establishments may remain free to admit who they wish to, for entrance, membership etc.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

At last some sense

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"It's a choice that you are freely able to take. As always, review the evidence and understand the context that you are within.

Until anything is in law, you are not bohndaried, unless your mind does that to you.

Travel has a long history of vaccination requirements.

We can all do our various parts in making the UK safer again. As the country becomes safer, we can also help to rebuild the economy.

Assorted restrictions will continue until we're a safe enough country again.

We voted for these people in to lead us to

, so we live with the consequences "
Thank god we voted Boris in that is all I can say could you imagine Corbyn in charge very very scary

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

"Deffinatly hope we have health passports. I for one don't want to sit next to a virus riddled idiot

You wouldn’t know that the individuals around you had been definitely vaccinated, as some will be exempt for medical reasons and not ‘idiots’ as you so eloquently put it "

You are quite right. Two or three out of a hundred might not be able to have a vaccine, I'll take my chances. But I still don't want anti vaxxers next to me. It seems like there's quite a few of em

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Wow who'd have thought, something that keeps us safe and economies running. Nooo not for me I'd rather moan about something.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

Those restrictions could potentially cost people their jobs (in certain industries).

Well that's something for those who decide to exercise their 'freedom' to consider.

Using those criteria, why is the flu jab not included in the Immunity passport?

It might well be, as this is only the beginning of the conversation there's no reason why that shouldn't be added.

There is no guarantee that immunisation will be successful and no guarantee that it will be safe in the long term (side effects etc).

Well don't have it then

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

Those restrictions could potentially cost people their jobs (in certain industries).

Well that's something for those who decide to exercise their 'freedom' to consider.

And presumably for their employers to retrospectively alter their contracts of employment?

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

Those restrictions could potentially cost people their jobs (in certain industries).

Well that's something for those who decide to exercise their 'freedom' to consider.

And presumably for their employers to retrospectively alter their contracts of employment? "

That's common practice already.

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By *lamourpussyCouple over a year ago

Cirencester

"Deffinatly hope we have health passports. I for one don't want to sit next to a virus riddled idiot

If you have had the vaccine it wont be a problem will it"

That's just the problem. A lot of people seem to think that if they don't have the vaccine and rely on others to have it the virus will dissappear and we won't have to worry. The reality is that if not enough people have the vaccine we won't get herd immunity - or at least not for a very long time and everyone will still be at risk even some of those that have been vaccinated as no coaching is 100% effective.

The only way we are going to defeat this virus is by enough of us being vaccinated. If not we will still be living like we are now in 5 years time.

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By *lamourpussyCouple over a year ago

Cirencester

Should say no vaccine is 100% effective!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies."

Why is it ‘sinister’ ?

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Why is it ‘sinister’ ? "

That the government has the power to exclude a person from society for exercising autonomy over their own body.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Why is it ‘sinister’ ?

That the government has the power to exclude a person from society for exercising autonomy over their own body."

No they don’t, it will be private companies , airlines, pubs, cinemas, etc etc who will make that decision.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies."

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Why is it ‘sinister’ ?

That the government has the power to exclude a person from society for exercising autonomy over their own body."

Governments have always had that ability.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Why is it ‘sinister’ ?

That the government has the power to exclude a person from society for exercising autonomy over their own body."

Quite a few countries already demand a pcr rest before they let you in, I'd imagine they might consider vaccination instead ?

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

Test

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

Still a choice KnucklePuck

Just one some people wont like.

If you opt out of the vaccine then you opt out of society.

Its called the social contract

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By *lamourpussyCouple over a year ago

Cirencester

It is your choice but the chances are that if you want to go abroad to a lot of countries in the next few years you will need to prove you have been vaccinated.

Most of these 'antivaxers' will soon change their minds when they realise that they can't have their two weeks in Benidorm!

Like it or not there will be a lot of pressure from all areas to encourage people to be vaccinated. The travel and hospitality industries for example know that without a high percentage of people being vaccinated this virus will destroy there business for years to come. I can see airlines and even travel companies requesting proof of vaccination.

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Why is it ‘sinister’ ?

That the government has the power to exclude a person from society for exercising autonomy over their own body."

Next you will be saying that it’s all a secret plot by Bill Gates to inject us with microchips....

Vaccination will not be mandatory by the UK government.

Travel and areas of society might make it a necessity. However you have the free choice to decide to be vaccinated or not and accept the choices that come with your decision.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Why is it ‘sinister’ ?

That the government has the power to exclude a person from society for exercising autonomy over their own body.

No they don’t, it will be private companies , airlines, pubs, cinemas, etc etc who will make that decision. "

No it won't...

It will be the insurance companies cos if you catch it at the cinema you will sue them. One o the main reasons large entertainment spaces are closed is they can't get insurance. Same as trying to get travel insurance to China or India.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Why is it ‘sinister’ ?

That the government has the power to exclude a person from society for exercising autonomy over their own body.

Next you will be saying that it’s all a secret plot by Bill Gates to inject us with microchips....

Vaccination will not be mandatory by the UK government.

Travel and areas of society might make it a necessity. However you have the free choice to decide to be vaccinated or not and accept the choices that come with your decision.

So what if you life insurance companies request it as conditions of renewals.

And life insurance is linked to a mortgage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility.

Even by your standards that’s a pretty poor comparison.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Why is it ‘sinister’ ?

That the government has the power to exclude a person from society for exercising autonomy over their own body.

Next you will be saying that it’s all a secret plot by Bill Gates to inject us with microchips....

Vaccination will not be mandatory by the UK government.

Travel and areas of society might make it a necessity. However you have the free choice to decide to be vaccinated or not and accept the choices that come with your decision.

So what if you life insurance companies request it as conditions of renewals.

And life insurance is linked to a mortgage."

Then you accept this as the T&C’s of having a mortgage, life insuranc, etc....

If you don’t like it sell up cancel your life insurance and live off grid but without being a burden on the rest of society.

Basically put your money where your mouth is.

It’s about the benefit of society not selfish individualism that you are seeming promoting

Nothing sinister at all. Just individuals trying to have it all without taking any responsibility

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

If this goes ahead, I would really like to know if they are going to give you the vaccine and then test you for immunity?

It's very well having your documents stamped to say you've been immunised, but it doesn't mean you are actually immune

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What about those who can't have the vaccine? Pregnant women, all the people that has been transplanted and are on inmunosurpressors, or simply those that are allergic just to mention a few. According to what I am seeing here they won't be allowed out since they haven't been vaccinated? Am I correct? Is that fair on them? What would you think if you were one of these people and everyone was out and about getting on with life and you had to be isolated and marginated? Seriously guys you need to start looking beyond yourselves.

C xx

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman over a year ago

Victoria, London

so what's the alternative?

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By *ustforfun49Man over a year ago

chesterfield

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility. "

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"What about those who can't have the vaccine? Pregnant women, all the people that has been transplanted and are on inmunosurpressors, or simply those that are allergic just to mention a few. According to what I am seeing here they won't be allowed out since they haven't been vaccinated? Am I correct? Is that fair on them? What would you think if you were one of these people and everyone was out and about getting on with life and you had to be isolated and marginated? Seriously guys you need to start looking beyond yourselves.

C xx"

Not sure what you point is .....

Are you saying that nobody should be vaccinated because a few are not abe to be ???

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By *ustforfun49Man over a year ago

chesterfield

I think that this is a good idea most people will have the vaccine any why and it will make people feel safe when they go to a pub,restaurants and events so more people will go to a not worry that the person standing next them might not have the vaccine because you can still spread it even if you have the vaccine

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

C xx

Not sure what you point is .....

Are you saying that nobody should be vaccinated because a few are not abe to be ???"

No what I'm saying is that you can't just limit people freedom based on if they have or haven't had a vaccine. You need to be more flexible and tolerant. Oh and before you say I'm not an antivaxxer and trust me I'm more fed up of this virus that any of you can ever possibly be

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

C xx"

Why would immunosupressed people be flying abroad during a pandemic? How wouod they get insurance? Why would they be in a pub during a pandemic?

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By * Plus ECouple over a year ago

The South

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility.

Even by your standards that’s a pretty poor comparison.

So.

Much.

This.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Why is it ‘sinister’ ?

That the government has the power to exclude a person from society for exercising autonomy over their own body.

Next you will be saying that it’s all a secret plot by Bill Gates to inject us with microchips....

Vaccination will not be mandatory by the UK government.

Travel and areas of society might make it a necessity. However you have the free choice to decide to be vaccinated or not and accept the choices that come with your decision.

So what if you life insurance companies request it as conditions of renewals.

And life insurance is linked to a mortgage.

Then you accept this as the T&C’s of having a mortgage, life insuranc, etc....

If you don’t like it sell up cancel your life insurance and live off grid but without being a burden on the rest of society.

Basically put your money where your mouth is.

It’s about the benefit of society not selfish individualism that you are seeming promoting

Nothing sinister at all. Just individuals trying to have it all without taking any responsibility "

No I'm all for it I'll be at the front of that que when it's my turn. I live almost isolated to avoid catching it and not being able to work so more the happy to have it....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

C xx

Why would immunosupressed people be flying abroad during a pandemic? How wouod they get insurance? Why would they be in a pub during a pandemic?

Maybe because this pandemic might be forever? We have been having flu epidemics and pandemics every single year since 1918 and quite possibly this is the new flu. What do you want them to do? Isolate as soon as they get a cancer diagnosed for example? As I said on my comment you need to be flexible and more tolerant. Oh by the way I have had 6 b hepatitis vaccines and still not developed any immunity. A vaccine does not warrantee immunity as the media is making it look like.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

C xx

Not sure what you point is .....

Are you saying that nobody should be vaccinated because a few are not abe to be ???

We are not I don't know but I would guess if you have had a lung transplant your travel insurance is expensive so insurance companies are all ready in control.

Is that not a restriction on liberty all ready??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

C xx

Not sure what you point is .....

Are you saying that nobody should be vaccinated because a few are not abe to be ???

We are not I don't know but I would guess if you have had a lung transplant your travel insurance is expensive so insurance companies are all ready in control.

Is that not a restriction on liberty all ready??

Well you can travel with no insurance can't you?

I have never used travel insurance and here I am. And well I have met quite a lot of people inmunosupressed and they still have a life you know? They still go to the cinema go on holidays go to the pub and restaurants. They have had a transplant to live not to stay home "safe". They have cancer and want to live not stay inbetween 4 walls afraid of what might happen to them if they leave the house don't you think? Should we lock you up if you develop one of these illnesses in case you get the flu and ban you from travelling or doing other things? Anyway I don't expect you to understand it.

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By *uadzilla OP Man over a year ago

Warwickshire

Wow who'd have thought, something that keeps us safe and economies running. Nooo not for me I'd rather moan about something. "

I'm not moaning pal, let me just grab the crayons to explain...

UK government We will NOT make it compulsory!!

UK government we will stop you from your general freedom if you don't have the vaccine.

UK government the decision is completely yours.

You want freedom so to speak have the vaccine if you don't expect to wear mask, loose your job, not go out to venues or events.... Best have the vaccine then.

It's not freedom of choice it's compulsory my any other name.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

C xx

Not sure what you point is .....

Are you saying that nobody should be vaccinated because a few are not abe to be ???

We are not I don't know but I would guess if you have had a lung transplant your travel insurance is expensive so insurance companies are all ready in control.

Is that not a restriction on liberty all ready??

Well you can travel with no insurance can't you?

I have dealings with insurance and any travel espesaly flight with out insurance is in my opinion just mad as it could cost you so much.

The wife is a repat medic do you know what it can cost to get you home if you get unwell. Let alone have a hart attack or die on a plane...

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"A vaccine does not warrantee immunity as the media is making it look like. "

No they're not.

The media are quoting the efficacy stated by the manufacturers which has ranged between 65% and 90% depending on the vaccine and dosage.

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By *uadzilla OP Man over a year ago

Warwickshire

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Not sure what you point is .....

Are you saying that nobody should be vaccinated because a few are not abe to be ???

We are not I don't know but I would guess if you have had a lung transplant your travel insurance is expensive so insurance companies are all ready in control.

Is that not a restriction on liberty all ready??

Well you can travel with no insurance can't you?

I agree with you completely. I know people with no immune system and by their accounts you wouldn't be allowed to have any freedom.

If they were to say that if you hadn't had the flu vaccine you couldn't come in or wasn't allowed to attend because you wasn't vaccinated how many people would be saying it's against my rights etc (and before anyone moans I know it's not like the flu virus)

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

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Not sure what you point is .....

Are you saying that nobody should be vaccinated because a few are not abe to be ???

We are not I don't know but I would guess if you have had a lung transplant your travel insurance is expensive so insurance companies are all ready in control.

Is that not a restriction on liberty all ready??

Well you can travel with no insurance can't you?

So do you have a fit to fly...

And I guess you can drive with out insurance so long as you have a bond of oh I think it's now 5 billion to self insure as do some large companies

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By *ljamMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

Wow, they'll be insisting on licences to drive cars next. You want to live in society, it comes with responsibility.

Even by your standards that’s a pretty poor comparison.

Nailed it. If you want to get the benefits of society, you've got to contribute. The price of contribution right now should be vaccination (naturally with allowances made for those who are medically exempt).

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"If this goes ahead, I would really like to know if they are going to give you the vaccine and then test you for immunity?

It's very well having your documents stamped to say you've been immunised, but it doesn't mean you are actually immune"

I think it's highly unlikely as it would both cost and divert resources away from vaccinating the millions of others here. An antibody test could reveal some of your potential immunity but T cell tests are more expensive and unlikely to be available outside of research operations.

The best we can have will be herd immunity, from sufficient high density of the population who have it. Repeat vaccinations may be needed too but we'll need the first round kicked off before we think of this. Perhaps people will get them before winter, with flu jabs, as the winter will be an easier time for both to spread.

Individually people will hope they have immunity and trust that enough other people have it too.

I'm guessing that some parts of the world will be slower to bring it under control and so we'll need to maintain immunity for several years at least. If we continue with high uptake of the flu jab and both are given at the same time, we'll think less about it, as time passes.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

Not being vaccinated isn't a protected characteristic, so as far as 'rights' are concerned, none are being broken.

All privately owned premises (pubs, clubs, shops etc.) have always been within their rights to refuse admittance anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll be interested to see if this is legally challenged and how that goes. I find it slightly sinister that the government seems so keen to take that much control over people's bodies.

Why is it ‘sinister’ ?

That the government has the power to exclude a person from society for exercising autonomy over their own body.

No they don’t, it will be private companies , airlines, pubs, cinemas, etc etc who will make that decision.

No it won't...

You try ‘proving’ you caught the virus at a cinema , it would be impossible . Nobody will be forced to take a vaccine, but quite rightly this ‘choice’ will have certain consequences. As many posters have already pointed out, there are numerous rules that have to be adhered to when travelling etc, having a vaccine will be another

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

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They will be the people who will gain from others' willingness to get it, so that we have herd immunity. An official covid safe approval could denote both those who are unable to have it as well as those who have had it.

This discussion here is only due to a government minister sharing his initial thoughts, s day or so into the job. We don't know what they and other governments will establish, nor what private businesses etc will implement.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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So glad to find someone that understands what I am saying and has some common sense. Thank you!

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

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So glad to find someone that understands what I am saying and has some common sense. Thank you! "

So I guess you a risk taker I assume you buy travel we do mean out of the UK And probably out of Europe...

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By *uadzilla OP Man over a year ago

Warwickshire

Not being vaccinated isn't a protected characteristic, so as far as 'rights' are concerned, none are being broken.

All privately owned premises (pubs, clubs, shops etc.) have always been within their rights to refuse admittance anyway.

You're right not being vaccinated isn't a protected right, but freely being allowed to visit a cinema is going the pub is etc. No pub, club, cinema has turn a customer away due to them not being vaccinated because it's never had to happen before but if the government decides that you will receive immunity passports to allow entrance to said places then that is not on the venue's is it !?

Last year you were allowed to go where you wanted without passports/certificates but if the government said no entry without the flu vaccine would that be your decision or compulsory ??

You want to go places I assume you will have to have it but for whatever reason you really don't want it (could be any reason religious, anti etc) you wouldn't be allowed so I'll repeat again if this is to go ahead for whatever reason, jobs, holidays, venues then it would basically become compulsory.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I read about the Russian genetics doctor studying corona virus, got a very mild case of covid,for a week or so then tested clear of it, 4 to 6 weeks later, he deliberately reinfected himself to see if he was immune, nope.... and that time it nearly killed him. SO I'm more worried that this vaccine is either short lived, or purely money driven first to market.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

Not being vaccinated isn't a protected characteristic, so as far as 'rights' are concerned, none are being broken.

All privately owned premises (pubs, clubs, shops etc.) have always been within their rights to refuse admittance anyway.

Last year you were allowed to go where you wanted without passports/certificates but if the government said no entry without the flu vaccine would that be your decision or compulsory ??

Last year we weren't in the middle of a pandemic so your comparison is a little unbalanced.

If you don't want to be vaccinated, exercise your right not to have it, but there may be possible consequences that fall well outside of those rights.

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By *uadzilla OP Man over a year ago

Warwickshire

Not being vaccinated isn't a protected characteristic, so as far as 'rights' are concerned, none are being broken.

All privately owned premises (pubs, clubs, shops etc.) have always been within their rights to refuse admittance anyway.

Last year you were allowed to go where you wanted without passports/certificates but if the government said no entry without the flu vaccine would that be your decision or compulsory ??

Last year we weren't in the middle of a pandemic so your comparison is a little unbalanced.

If you don't want to be vaccinated, exercise your right not to have it, but there may be possible consequences that fall well outside of those rights."

How is it unbalanced when I'm using a what if scenario ? If we never had this current situation and it was a bad flu year eg 2014/2015 when 47,000 people died did we have talks about immunity passports NO (I completely understand this is different etc)

If you want to attend a place/venue etc you can only do so with vaccination this would basically make it compulsory I can't make it any simpler for you. I haven't onced said I won't be vaccinated but if I choose not too then I must face the consequences really ? Sorry but in my humble opinion you're wrong we shouldn't face consequences we should be able to choose to be vaccinated not told if you don't you won't be allowed and so on

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

Not being vaccinated isn't a protected characteristic, so as far as 'rights' are concerned, none are being broken.

All privately owned premises (pubs, clubs, shops etc.) have always been within their rights to refuse admittance anyway.

Last year you were allowed to go where you wanted without passports/certificates but if the government said no entry without the flu vaccine would that be your decision or compulsory ??

Last year we weren't in the middle of a pandemic so your comparison is a little unbalanced.

If you don't want to be vaccinated, exercise your right not to have it, but there may be possible consequences that fall well outside of those rights.

You understand Flu is different to covid, but you're the one who keeps bringing it up?

You can choose wether to be vaccinated or not, but as I said, simply, there may be consequences.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Not being vaccinated isn't a protected characteristic, so as far as 'rights' are concerned, none are being broken.

All privately owned premises (pubs, clubs, shops etc.) have always been within their rights to refuse admittance anyway.

Last year you were allowed to go where you wanted without passports/certificates but if the government said no entry without the flu vaccine would that be your decision or compulsory ??

Last year we weren't in the middle of a pandemic so your comparison is a little unbalanced.

If you don't want to be vaccinated, exercise your right not to have it, but there may be possible consequences that fall well outside of those rights.

You understand Flu is different to covid, but you're the one who keeps bringing it up?

You can choose wether to be vaccinated or not, but as I said, simply, there may be consequences. "

Using travel as one example. There are some travel requirements already for other diseases for some countries. Not sure why such drama about needing a covid vaccination to travel. Like the other requirements either you have it and can travel to said destination. or don't have it and you can't travel.

The reason some countries already insist for some diseases is they don't want travellers bringing it in and starting a local epidemic. This is not a new concept with covid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Deffinatly hope we have health passports. I for one don't want to sit next to a virus riddled idiot

If you have had the vaccine it wont be a problem will it

The only way we are going to defeat this virus is by enough of us being vaccinated. If not we will still be living like we are now in 5 years time."

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By *hickennchipsWoman over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

It won’t happen and this will all die down once Brexit is finally done

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

Not being vaccinated isn't a protected characteristic, so as far as 'rights' are concerned, none are being broken.

All privately owned premises (pubs, clubs, shops etc.) have always been within their rights to refuse admittance anyway.

Last year you were allowed to go where you wanted without passports/certificates but if the government said no entry without the flu vaccine would that be your decision or compulsory ??

Last year we weren't in the middle of a pandemic so your comparison is a little unbalanced.

If you don't want to be vaccinated, exercise your right not to have it, but there may be possible consequences that fall well outside of those rights.

You understand Flu is different to covid, but you're the one who keeps bringing it up?

You can choose wether to be vaccinated or not, but as I said, simply, there may be consequences.

The reason some countries already insist for some diseases is they don't want travellers bringing it in and starting a local epidemic. This is not a new concept with covid. "

Agree with this....

But also employer will have to protect employees so you might need it to go to a pub... as the employer has a duty of care...