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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Anyone else taking vitamin d, just started taking vitamin d so cant say yet if giving me any health benefits ,but after chat at work thought worth a try . Can possibly help prevent serious effects of covid 19,and just seen on tv that serious clinical trials are being undertaken . So for a tenner for a years supply ,should we all be taking it . |
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Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment."
Being 57 myself and supposedly gives other respiratory benefits thought worth a try especially through winter, and under a tenner for years supply. |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"Anyone else taking vitamin d, just started taking vitamin d so cant say yet if giving me any health benefits ,but after chat at work thought worth a try . Can possibly help prevent serious effects of covid 19,and just seen on tv that serious clinical trials are being undertaken . So for a tenner for a years supply ,should we all be taking it ."
For a few pennies it will help compensate for the lack of sunlight during winter in the UK. I can’t see a downside to that, and if it helps against cronyvirus, all the better. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree with the government on this one.
I suffer from depression and SAD and discovered that Vit D is a hell of a lot more important than I thought. I take supplements now and I can say they do help.
If it was not labelled as a vitamin and called a Brain Chemistry Precursor then maybe more people would pay attention, lol.
20 minutes in a T shirt during a summer day gives you enough Vit D for your daily requirement, but who is out in T shirts, apart from my postie, in this weather?
So please take this as damn good advice. |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment."
This is false. Very little Vitamin D is derived from the diet, the majority needs to be synthesised via sunlight. The majority of the UK population is deficient and Vitamin D is not excreted in the urine anyway. It's excreted bound to bile salts in the faeces.
Vitamin D is the only vitamin that the wide population would benefit from supplementation with. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've supplemented Vit D for years now along with Zinc and Magnesium. I am surprised it's taken a virus for the government to bring it to light that people should be taking it given our climate.
I watched an interesting podcast with Dr Rhonda Patrick highlighting a correlation with Covid deaths and Vit D deficiency - especially with Asian/Black ethnic groups living in mild/cold climates. |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment."
Most human vitamin D is derived from the sun, when it has sufficient strength and we're exposed enough to it. Getting it from diet is unlikely to happen - it would be interesting to see your evidence?
During autumn through to spring here, it is likely that we're all deficient, as with people from similar countries.
It meets a fairly wide range of health needs, including in our immune system. If we take the recommended dose, it's unlikely to be an issue, due to dietary intake being insufficient. |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment."
thats strange as its not passed through the body in your wee...
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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Yes, there is a direct link between vitamin d deficiency and covid, so by taking it it can help, you dont necessarily need it from tablet form it can be found in food sources too like meat and eggs. I have been taking multivitamins for years that includes vitamin d  |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment."
I don't have a, bad diet
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment."
Just wrong vitamin d has nothing to do with what you eat. |
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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago
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Lack of vitamin D is an issue, from the old to the young, why?
No one hardly walks anymore, from walking to school, to the shops etc most people would rather watch sport on the TV then stand by the pitch.
Even pensioners, not many spend hours in the garden/allotment compared to years ago |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment.
This is false. Very little Vitamin D is derived from the diet, the majority needs to be synthesised via sunlight. The majority of the UK population is deficient and Vitamin D is not excreted in the urine anyway. It's excreted bound to bile salts in the faeces.
Vitamin D is the only vitamin that the wide population would benefit from supplementation with."
It's great to see someone talk sense...in a weird paradox there's fairly recent studies that show that people with vitamin d deficiency are more likely to get melanoma! No idea how it works as it seems to be a recent correlation, but I've had melanoma and I got told this at the hospital recently so this isn't me just reading something random on the net |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I started supplimenting with Vit D about 4 months ago after the research that it may help you fight off covid or at least not get as sick.
It is especially important during the Winter months I think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I started supplimenting with Vit D about 4 months ago after the research that it may help you fight off covid or at least not get as sick.
It is especially important during the Winter months I think."
Our milk us produced with it guess I be drinking more milk. |
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"I started supplimenting with Vit D about 4 months ago after the research that it may help you fight off covid or at least not get as sick.
It is especially important during the Winter months I think.
Our milk us produced with it guess I be drinking more milk."
What sorts of concentration of Vit D will be in the milk? You'd need awfully high levels to be worth describing as supplementation.
It's also worth pointing out separately to the diet issue that older people are less efficient at synthesising Vit D and also less efficient at absorption of the vitamin in the small intestine. |
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I've been taking it a couple of years after a serious infection and resulting blood tests showed I was deficient.
I could get it on prescription which I get free, but I prefer to buy it. Although because of the Covid link its getting harder to pick it up in the likes of Tesco. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I got an oral spray from boots.
Vitamin D is a fat so an oil base is the best way hot get it in to your body. If you take to much you pass it in your stool..."
This and the soft gels, I take 5000iu of D3
Apparently the hard tablets don't absorb as well.
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"I got an oral spray from boots.
Vitamin D is a fat so an oil base is the best way hot get it in to your body. If you take to much you pass it in your stool...
This and the soft gels, I take 5000iu of D3
Apparently the hard tablets don't absorb as well.
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Correct re: the oil filled gels. 5000iu is a pretty high dose though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've supplemented Vit D for years now along with Zinc and Magnesium. I am surprised it's taken a virus for the government to bring it to light that people should be taking it given our climate.
I watched an interesting podcast with Dr Rhonda Patrick highlighting a correlation with Covid deaths and Vit D deficiency - especially with Asian/Black ethnic groups living in mild/cold climates."
There have been many others too and yes very surprised that this is even raised, but then again there are those in forums that diss it so much that I guess many doubt.
My advice look beyond the experts in the forums and do your own critical research, sadly a diminishing skill due to social media.... but applies to everything. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Like any suplements do your research. Vit D supplements aren't water soluble but need fats to be absorbed and carried into the bloodstream so the importance of taking WITH a meal. |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment.
This is false. Very little Vitamin D is derived from the diet, the majority needs to be synthesised via sunlight. The majority of the UK population is deficient and Vitamin D is not excreted in the urine anyway. It's excreted bound to bile salts in the faeces.
Vitamin D is the only vitamin that the wide population would benefit from supplementation with."
I stand corrected. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes it has great benefits so o have been taking it for about 18 months after doing some research from a fitness perspective, I only take it during winter months but it's great. Increases sex drive, makes you feel great and good for the day. Don't feel so low. And as you say for the low price it costs why not |
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"I got an oral spray from boots.
Vitamin D is a fat so an oil base is the best way hot get it in to your body. If you take to much you pass it in your stool...
This and the soft gels, I take 5000iu of D3
Apparently the hard tablets don't absorb as well.
Correct re: the oil filled gels. 5000iu is a pretty high dose though. "
40000IU + is considered toxic. 600IU is the recommended adult. 5000 is pretty high. A warning sign of high vitamin d is constipation apparently. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I got an oral spray from boots.
Vitamin D is a fat so an oil base is the best way hot get it in to your body. If you take to much you pass it in your stool...
This and the soft gels, I take 5000iu of D3
Apparently the hard tablets don't absorb as well.
Correct re: the oil filled gels. 5000iu is a pretty high dose though.
40000IU + is considered toxic. 600IU is the recommended adult. 5000 is pretty high. A warning sign of high vitamin d is constipation apparently."
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Unless recommended by a doctor, 5000iu is higher than the safe max recommended dose. From the NHS website:
"Do not take more than 100 micrograms (4,000 IU) of vitamin D a day as it could be harmful. This applies to adults, including pregnant and breastfeeding women and the elderly, and children aged 11 to 17 years.
Children aged 1 to 10 years should not have more than 50 micrograms (2,000 IU) a day. Infants under 12 months should not have more than 25 micrograms (1,000 IU) a day.
Some people have medical conditions that mean they may not be able to safely take as much. If in doubt, you should consult your doctor.
If your doctor has recommended you take a different amount of vitamin D, you should follow their advice."
Vitamin D toxicity is a real thing. You can't produce too much naturally via sunlight exposure but you can OD on the tablet version. Overly high Vit D doses increase blood calcium levels and can cause heart problems. |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people"
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well "
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before |
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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before"
Managed to live without vitamin supplements for the last 10,000 years  |
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before
Managed to live without vitamin supplements for the last 10,000 years "
Yeah and plenty of children got rickets |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before"
Why does the government have to do it cant the human race do anything for itself now with nanny ? |
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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before
Managed to live without vitamin supplements for the last 10,000 years
Yeah and plenty of children got rickets "
How many in the UK? Year by year? |
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By *andsCouple
over a year ago
south birmingham |
"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people"
Not suprised there, part of the agenda. Bump off the old and vunerable, how about let them out for some pukka vit d?, na shove them in homes eh. |
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before
Managed to live without vitamin supplements for the last 10,000 years
Yeah and plenty of children got rickets
How many in the UK? Year by year?"
Use an internet search engine. One review article about the history of rickets is:
Denis Gibbs (1994) Rickets and the crippled child: an historical perspective. Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, Volume 87 December 1994 p729
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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before
Managed to live without vitamin supplements for the last 10,000 years
Yeah and plenty of children got rickets
How many in the UK? Year by year?
Use an internet search engine. One review article about the history of rickets is:
Denis Gibbs (1994) Rickets and the crippled child: an historical perspective. Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, Volume 87 December 1994 p729
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Just asking for how many cases per year |
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before
Managed to live without vitamin supplements for the last 10,000 years
Yeah and plenty of children got rickets
How many in the UK? Year by year?
Use an internet search engine. One review article about the history of rickets is:
Denis Gibbs (1994) Rickets and the crippled child: an historical perspective. Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, Volume 87 December 1994 p729
Just asking for how many cases per year "
I don't know because I'm not the Office for National Statistics. If you want to know, you can find out. I'm not your librarian. |
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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before
Managed to live without vitamin supplements for the last 10,000 years
Yeah and plenty of children got rickets
How many in the UK? Year by year?
Use an internet search engine. One review article about the history of rickets is:
Denis Gibbs (1994) Rickets and the crippled child: an historical perspective. Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, Volume 87 December 1994 p729
Just asking for how many cases per year
I don't know because I'm not the Office for National Statistics. If you want to know, you can find out. I'm not your librarian."
This is how a forum works as far as I understand, MODS CORRECT ME IF WRONG. you present evidence to back up your case, yes or no? |
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before
Managed to live without vitamin supplements for the last 10,000 years
Yeah and plenty of children got rickets
How many in the UK? Year by year?
Use an internet search engine. One review article about the history of rickets is:
Denis Gibbs (1994) Rickets and the crippled child: an historical perspective. Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, Volume 87 December 1994 p729
Just asking for how many cases per year
I don't know because I'm not the Office for National Statistics. If you want to know, you can find out. I'm not your librarian.
This is how a forum works as far as I understand, MODS CORRECT ME IF WRONG. you present evidence to back up your case, yes or no?"
It's perfectly common knowledge that rickets was a huge problem in England in the Victorian era (and earlier) and into the 20th century. By the 1950s, the issue of why rickets happened was better understood and cod liver oil supplementation of children was recommended as a public health measure. I'm sure many of us were forced to swallow that gunge by our parents. Nowadays the vitamin derived from the fish oil comes in capsule or spray form and we don't need to swallow fish gunge.
However, I have never professed to know the specific numbers of people with rickets each year. You have asked the question. I do not know the answer to that question. If you really want to know the specific numbers, I'm sure you can find them yourself if they're so important.
Supplements for Vit D deficiency aren't new (cod liver oil), nor is the recommendation to take them. |
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"*Also we're not allowed to post links.
I've posted links on here it should be part of discussion on the debate imho as its great to support the debate "
Yes, we posted one to the Coronavirus data page of the Office for National Statistics. I'm not allowed to say what happened next, but we took a 48hr "break" from the forum.
If you want to know specific data like that - go and find it. Do you own research. At no point has anything I've posted suggested anything about specific numbers - you asked. You find. I've shared the citation of a paper on the history of rickets in England which shows quite clearly the issues over the past 400-500yrs. |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment."
Vitamin D is fat soluble, not water soluble and the vast majority of humans not living near the equator are deficient.
It's not absorbable by diet, humans need to be naked in the sun with cholesterol levels higher than the current incredibly stupid levels in order to metabolise it.
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"I started supplimenting with Vit D about 4 months ago after the research that it may help you fight off covid or at least not get as sick.
It is especially important during the Winter months I think.
Our milk us produced with it guess I be drinking more milk.
What sorts of concentration of Vit D will be in the milk? You'd need awfully high levels to be worth describing as supplementation.
It's also worth pointing out separately to the diet issue that older people are less efficient at synthesising Vit D and also less efficient at absorption of the vitamin in the small intestine."
They are also stuffed full of statins which also reduces the chances of them metabolising it and low D levels often contributes to dementia and poor metal health.
If anyone wants more info, look up Ivor Cummins, and The Vit D Council. |
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"I started supplimenting with Vit D about 4 months ago after the research that it may help you fight off covid or at least not get as sick.
It is especially important during the Winter months I think.
Our milk us produced with it guess I be drinking more milk.
What sorts of concentration of Vit D will be in the milk? You'd need awfully high levels to be worth describing as supplementation.
It's also worth pointing out separately to the diet issue that older people are less efficient at synthesising Vit D and also less efficient at absorption of the vitamin in the small intestine.
They are also stuffed full of statins which also reduces the chances of them metabolising it and low D levels often contributes to dementia and poor metal health.
If anyone wants more info, look up Ivor Cummins, and The Vit D Council."
This is very true. There's also evidence that older people have far lower levels of the pre-vitamins in the epidermis for natural synthesis, separate to the stations issue, but agree that's an issue.
I was on a bile salt binder for a while and had to take a really high Vit D dose to compensate. |
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"I started supplimenting with Vit D about 4 months ago after the research that it may help you fight off covid or at least not get as sick.
It is especially important during the Winter months I think.
Our milk us produced with it guess I be drinking more milk.
What sorts of concentration of Vit D will be in the milk? You'd need awfully high levels to be worth describing as supplementation.
It's also worth pointing out separately to the diet issue that older people are less efficient at synthesising Vit D and also less efficient at absorption of the vitamin in the small intestine.
They are also stuffed full of statins which also reduces the chances of them metabolising it and low D levels often contributes to dementia and poor metal health.
If anyone wants more info, look up Ivor Cummins, and The Vit D Council.
This is very true. There's also evidence that older people have far lower levels of the pre-vitamins in the epidermis for natural synthesis, separate to the stations issue, but agree that's an issue.
I was on a bile salt binder for a while and had to take a really high Vit D dose to compensate."
Talking of doses, I bet they will dish out a useless 400iu instead of a proper 5-1000iu. |
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"well you lot sure will of started the panik buying of it
Good, nearly everyone should be taking it, it's a shame manufacturers will bump up the price though."
You can buy decent oil capsules from Nutravita for about £20 for 365 capsules. It's actually not expensive. £20 for one year for an adult....... |
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"I started supplimenting with Vit D about 4 months ago after the research that it may help you fight off covid or at least not get as sick.
It is especially important during the Winter months I think.
Our milk us produced with it guess I be drinking more milk.
What sorts of concentration of Vit D will be in the milk? You'd need awfully high levels to be worth describing as supplementation.
It's also worth pointing out separately to the diet issue that older people are less efficient at synthesising Vit D and also less efficient at absorption of the vitamin in the small intestine.
They are also stuffed full of statins which also reduces the chances of them metabolising it and low D levels often contributes to dementia and poor metal health.
If anyone wants more info, look up Ivor Cummins, and The Vit D Council.
This is very true. There's also evidence that older people have far lower levels of the pre-vitamins in the epidermis for natural synthesis, separate to the stations issue, but agree that's an issue.
I was on a bile salt binder for a while and had to take a really high Vit D dose to compensate.
Talking of doses, I bet they will dish out a useless 400iu instead of a proper 5-1000iu."
You'd be correct unfortunately. I take 1000iu....... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before
Why does the government have to do it cant the human race do anything for itself now with nanny ? "
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
If you are deficient yes it might help , get a test and then if it’s good quality carrier with decent absorption rate, otherwise it will do nothing.
Just eat eggs, mackerel, and actual food not shot in packets abs plastic and when the sun is up even in winter step outside, close you eyes and look towards it for 30 seconds. Seriously, no wonder people are so ill and unhealthy in this country most cannot even think, the government have an impossible task |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The government is going to start supplying it free to vulnerable people
At last! Some common sense sensible measures. They should throw in zinc supplementation as well
Yeah
Ive no idea why they havent done it before
Why does the government have to do it cant the human race do anything for itself now with nanny ? "
Because alot of people's knowledge in this country, about food, is rather rickety
Next time you go to the supermarket, checkout what people have in their trolleys
Its pretty bloody scary |
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"If you are deficient yes it might help , get a test and then if it’s good quality carrier with decent absorption rate, otherwise it will do nothing.
Just eat eggs, mackerel, and actual food not shot in packets abs plastic and when the sun is up even in winter step outside, close you eyes and look towards it for 30 seconds. Seriously, no wonder people are so ill and unhealthy in this country most cannot even think, the government have an impossible task"
What you've said is good but virtually useless in this country for already deficient people, especially those who avoid saturated fat, eat seed and vegetable oils and rely on carbohydrates for energy. Add to that the statins pushed on even healthy people and a bit of oily fish and a few eggs will make no difference, nor will our western sun on clothed bodies.
Good supplementation is the only way to go. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"If you are deficient yes it might help , get a test and then if it’s good quality carrier with decent absorption rate, otherwise it will do nothing.
Just eat eggs, mackerel, and actual food not shot in packets abs plastic and when the sun is up even in winter step outside, close you eyes and look towards it for 30 seconds. Seriously, no wonder people are so ill and unhealthy in this country most cannot even think, the government have an impossible task
What you've said is good but virtually useless in this country for already deficient people, especially those who avoid saturated fat, eat seed and vegetable oils and rely on carbohydrates for energy. Add to that the statins pushed on even healthy people and a bit of oily fish and a few eggs will make no difference, nor will our western sun on clothed bodies.
Good supplementation is the only way to go."
I dint believe you, and I have no faith in RDA% , professionals I know in medicine all take 10x VitC and none I know supplement VitD, they just eat real food and get out the house |
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"If you are deficient yes it might help , get a test and then if it’s good quality carrier with decent absorption rate, otherwise it will do nothing.
Just eat eggs, mackerel, and actual food not shot in packets abs plastic and when the sun is up even in winter step outside, close you eyes and look towards it for 30 seconds. Seriously, no wonder people are so ill and unhealthy in this country most cannot even think, the government have an impossible task"
No-one in the UK synthesises a jot of Vitamin D in the UK in winter. In fact, between October and March. You could live outdoors naked and still be vitamin D deficient. Vitamin D is only synthesised in the skin when very specific wavelengths of UV-B light strike the skin. Due to the latitude of the UK and the tilt of the earth, we simply are not struck by those wavelengths of UV-B.
The UK population has been deficient as a majority for centuries, hence the discussions around rickets. Osteonalacia was also exceeding common in older people. We've been supplementing as a population for decades - the Govt health campaigns of yesteryear included advice to give children cod liver oil daily (a source of vitamin D).
The NHS hasn't got the resources to test everyone's blood levels and they don't need to. The research is clear that the vast majority are deficient. Even if you're not, you'll come to no harm taking the very low dose recommended (400iu). |
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"If you are deficient yes it might help , get a test and then if it’s good quality carrier with decent absorption rate, otherwise it will do nothing.
Just eat eggs, mackerel, and actual food not shot in packets abs plastic and when the sun is up even in winter step outside, close you eyes and look towards it for 30 seconds. Seriously, no wonder people are so ill and unhealthy in this country most cannot even think, the government have an impossible task
What you've said is good but virtually useless in this country for already deficient people, especially those who avoid saturated fat, eat seed and vegetable oils and rely on carbohydrates for energy. Add to that the statins pushed on even healthy people and a bit of oily fish and a few eggs will make no difference, nor will our western sun on clothed bodies.
Good supplementation is the only way to go.
I dint believe you, and I have no faith in RDA% , professionals I know in medicine all take 10x VitC and none I know supplement VitD, they just eat real food and get out the house "
That's peculiar, the vast majority of my HCP mates, most of my family and thou_ands of online mates in lots of forums I'm on take D regularly and have done for years.
I've taken between 5-1000iu a day for over twelve years and when working as a Midwife, would often talk about D deficiency to my friends and colleagues and every single one of them who got tested came back as deficient.
One post mortem I was involved in showed that the secondary cause of that babies death at less than 24 hours old was D deficiency. It's real.
In the 70's and 80's, babies were given ABIDEC drops (no idea if this still happens) and I saw a fair few cases of rickets in babies who were breastfed by D deficient mothers.
The stuff I mentioned before isn't my opinion, it's fact. We simply cannot get the D we need form eating fish and eggs and living where we do. It's simply impossible. |
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Just eat eggs, mackerel, and actual food not shot in packets abs plastic and when the sun is up even in winter step outside, close you eyes and look towards it for 30 seconds. Seriously, no wonder people are so ill and unhealthy in this country most cannot even think, the government have an impossible task
What you've said is good but virtually useless in this country for already deficient people, especially those who avoid saturated fat, eat seed and vegetable oils and rely on carbohydrates for energy. Add to that the statins pushed on even healthy people and a bit of oily fish and a few eggs will make no difference, nor will our western sun on clothed bodies.
Good supplementation is the only way to go.
I dint believe you, and I have no faith in RDA% , professionals I know in medicine all take 10x VitC and none I know supplement VitD, they just eat real food and get out the house
That's peculiar, the vast majority of my HCP mates, most of my family and thou_ands of online mates in lots of forums I'm on take D regularly and have done for years.
I've taken between 5-1000iu a day for over twelve years and when working as a Midwife, would often talk about D deficiency to my friends and colleagues and every single one of them who got tested came back as deficient.
One post mortem I was involved in showed that the secondary cause of that babies death at less than 24 hours old was D deficiency. It's real.
In the 70's and 80's, babies were given ABIDEC drops (no idea if this still happens) and I saw a fair few cases of rickets in babies who were breastfed by D deficient mothers.
The stuff I mentioned before isn't my opinion, it's fact. We simply cannot get the D we need form eating fish and eggs and living where we do. It's simply impossible."
Well said
Vitamin drops are only given to those on low incomes (at least in my health visitor area). Our 3yo takes "Peppa Pig sweeties", aka Vit D chewable thingies. She thinks they're great, so much better than cod liver oil! And they're on a monthly repeating delivery from Amazon for £3.50. Not at all expensive. |
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"If you are deficient yes it might help , get a test and then if it’s good quality carrier with decent absorption rate, otherwise it will do nothing.
Just eat eggs, mackerel, and actual food not shot in packets abs plastic and when the sun is up even in winter step outside, close you eyes and look towards it for 30 seconds. Seriously, no wonder people are so ill and unhealthy in this country most cannot even think, the government have an impossible task
What you've said is good but virtually useless in this country for already deficient people, especially those who avoid saturated fat, eat seed and vegetable oils and rely on carbohydrates for energy. Add to that the statins pushed on even healthy people and a bit of oily fish and a few eggs will make no difference, nor will our western sun on clothed bodies.
Good supplementation is the only way to go.
I dint believe you, and I have no faith in RDA% , professionals I know in medicine all take 10x VitC and none I know supplement VitD, they just eat real food and get out the house
That's peculiar, the vast majority of my HCP mates, most of my family and thou_ands of online mates in lots of forums I'm on take D regularly and have done for years.
I've taken between 5-1000iu a day for over twelve years and when working as a Midwife, would often talk about D deficiency to my friends and colleagues and every single one of them who got tested came back as deficient.
One post mortem I was involved in showed that the secondary cause of that babies death at less than 24 hours old was D deficiency. It's real.
In the 70's and 80's, babies were given ABIDEC drops (no idea if this still happens) and I saw a fair few cases of rickets in babies who were breastfed by D deficient mothers.
The stuff I mentioned before isn't my opinion, it's fact. We simply cannot get the D we need form eating fish and eggs and living where we do. It's simply impossible.
Well said
Vitamin drops are only given to those on low incomes (at least in my health visitor area). Our 3yo takes "Peppa Pig sweeties", aka Vit D chewable thingies. She thinks they're great, so much better than cod liver oil! And they're on a monthly repeating delivery from Amazon for £3.50. Not at all expensive."
My daughter thought I was nuts encouraging D for my grandchildren but the difference was remarkable. it was for me too and almost instant, especially coupled with my extremely low carb diet, the woman I am at 60 is vastly more healthy than the woman I was at 30.
I'm rarely ill but when it does happen, it's all done in 24-48 hours. I can't remember that last time I had to take time off work for illness or even take antibiotics.
I retired five years ago from Midwifery and the focus on D deficieny was huge. |
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Well said
Vitamin drops are only given to those on low incomes (at least in my health visitor area). Our 3yo takes "Peppa Pig sweeties", aka Vit D chewable thingies. She thinks they're great, so much better than cod liver oil! And they're on a monthly repeating delivery from Amazon for £3.50. Not at all expensive.
My daughter thought I was nuts encouraging D for my grandchildren but the difference was remarkable. it was for me too and almost instant, especially coupled with my extremely low carb diet, the woman I am at 60 is vastly more healthy than the woman I was at 30.
I'm rarely ill but when it does happen, it's all done in 24-48 hours. I can't remember that last time I had to take time off work for illness or even take antibiotics.
I retired five years ago from Midwifery and the focus on D deficieny was huge."
I took a very high dose (on GP advice) whilst breastfeeding and then she's switched to Peppa Pig sweeties and I'm back on 1000iu. I even got Mr KC to start taking them on the back of the research links with Covid.
I agree it's an area where some pretty low cost interventions would have significant benefits to the majority and would reduce healthcare burden elsewhere.
I don't think people realise Vit D deficiency has been a feature of Britain for centuries and was ruminated over as a public health problem for hundreds of years, until the cause was identified in the early 20th century. There's been loads of public health guidance on supplementation for decades (cod liver oil etc). |
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"I'm looking to start taking vitamin d I've heard so much about it. I have to find a vegetarian sauce though and that's not as easy as I first thought."
Check out Holland and Barrett, they do veggie/vegan supplements |
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"It's good that the government are going to be making D available to some vulnerable people from next year.
What foods should be supplemented, if any, in your opinion? "
If they're going to do that, it needs to be fatty stuff. Butter, margarine, milk etc. |
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"I take omega 3 capsules every day which I believe contains Vit D
Why 3 ?
They are called Omega 3. Not that I take 3 capsules. "
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"Anyone else taking vitamin d, just started taking vitamin d so cant say yet if giving me any health benefits ,but after chat at work thought worth a try . Can possibly help prevent serious effects of covid 19,and just seen on tv that serious clinical trials are being undertaken . So for a tenner for a years supply ,should we all be taking it ."
Agree with all you say, but a tenner for a year's supply does sound very cheap! |
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over a year ago
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Fully agree with the majority sentiment here.. I've read a LOT of research into suppliments and I know that my health has improved since taking them.
I've managed to get my 84 year old mother to take them too, the differences made to her in just over two months have been amazing..
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"Fully agree with the majority sentiment here.. I've read a LOT of research into suppliments and I know that my health has improved since taking them.
I've managed to get my 84 year old mother to take them too, the differences made to her in just over two months have been amazing..
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I've seen this happen to friends elderly relatives. It's no miracle cure but the differences in physical and mental health have been remarkable. |
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"Anyone else taking vitamin d, just started taking vitamin d so cant say yet if giving me any health benefits ,but after chat at work thought worth a try . Can possibly help prevent serious effects of covid 19,and just seen on tv that serious clinical trials are being undertaken . So for a tenner for a years supply ,should we all be taking it ."
If you are not already getting vitamin D in your diet then you really need to ret-think your whole diet, remember that vitamin pills are for people with a poor diet, also lack of regular exercise will not help, if people took better care of themselves and yes I'm talking to all you obese couch potatoes then you would not catch every little virus that comes along, the worlds biggest killer by a long way is heart disease, killing 48,000 people per day on this planet, much like covid it would be killing a lot less people if they were healthy. |
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Everyone in the UK should take Vit D October-March, we don’t get enough from our diet, and the sun doesn’t provide enough.
Can help with sleep, depression, anxiety and your immune system. |
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"Anyone else taking vitamin d, just started taking vitamin d so cant say yet if giving me any health benefits ,but after chat at work thought worth a try . Can possibly help prevent serious effects of covid 19,and just seen on tv that serious clinical trials are being undertaken . So for a tenner for a years supply ,should we all be taking it .
If you are not already getting vitamin D in your diet then you really need to ret-think your whole diet, remember that vitamin pills are for people with a poor diet, also lack of regular exercise will not help, if people took better care of themselves and yes I'm talking to all you obese couch potatoes then you would not catch every little virus that comes along, the worlds biggest killer by a long way is heart disease, killing 48,000 people per day on this planet, much like covid it would be killing a lot less people if they were healthy."
This has been discussed over and over in this thread. Changing what someone eats will make no difference whatsoever.
Heart disease is also associated with low Vit D levels as are many, many conditions because it is HUGELY important for nearly all systems in the body.
Your awful assumption that only obese people get sick is completely wrong too, there are plenty of slim TOFI's (thin outside, fat inside) out there with metabolic syndrome and over 20% of obese people will not develop T2 diabetes.
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"Anyone else taking vitamin d, just started taking vitamin d so cant say yet if giving me any health benefits ,but after chat at work thought worth a try . Can possibly help prevent serious effects of covid 19,and just seen on tv that serious clinical trials are being undertaken . So for a tenner for a years supply ,should we all be taking it .
If you are not already getting vitamin D in your diet then you really need to ret-think your whole diet, remember that vitamin pills are for people with a poor diet, also lack of regular exercise will not help, if people took better care of themselves and yes I'm talking to all you obese couch potatoes then you would not catch every little virus that comes along, the worlds biggest killer by a long way is heart disease, killing 48,000 people per day on this planet, much like covid it would be killing a lot less people if they were healthy.
This has been discussed over and over in this thread. Changing what someone eats will make no difference whatsoever.
Heart disease is also associated with low Vit D levels as are many, many conditions because it is HUGELY important for nearly all systems in the body.
Your awful assumption that only obese people get sick is completely wrong too, there are plenty of slim TOFI's (thin outside, fat inside) out there with metabolic syndrome and over 20% of obese people will not develop T2 diabetes.
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Obese people cost the NHS well over 3 billion pounds per year...!! Just because they dont take better care of themselves, a balanced diet and exercise are one of the most easy things anybody can do, I can only imagine how much money obese people cost the rest of the planet. |
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If you are not already getting vitamin D in your diet then you really need to ret-think your whole diet, remember that vitamin pills are for people with a poor diet, also lack of regular exercise will not help, if people took better care of themselves and yes I'm talking to all you obese couch potatoes then you would not catch every little virus that comes along, the worlds biggest killer by a long way is heart disease, killing 48,000 people per day on this planet, much like covid it would be killing a lot less people if they were healthy.
This has been discussed over and over in this thread. Changing what someone eats will make no difference whatsoever.
Heart disease is also associated with low Vit D levels as are many, many conditions because it is HUGELY important for nearly all systems in the body.
Your awful assumption that only obese people get sick is completely wrong too, there are plenty of slim TOFI's (thin outside, fat inside) out there with metabolic syndrome and over 20% of obese people will not develop T2 diabetes.
Obese people cost the NHS well over 3 billion pounds per year...!! Just because they dont take better care of themselves, a balanced diet and exercise are one of the most easy things anybody can do, I can only imagine how much money obese people cost the rest of the planet."
What a narrow, judgemental and unsupportive statement you've just made, completely ignoring sound evidence just for your own agenda.
There is a lot of reading I can recommend to improve your understanding of the complex issue that is obesity and the common myth that a 'balanced diet' (whatever that is) and exercise will prevent or cure it.
Are you willing to do it with an open mind? |
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Obese people cost the NHS well over 3 billion pounds per year...!! Just because they dont take better care of themselves, a balanced diet and exercise are one of the most easy things anybody can do, I can only imagine how much money obese people cost the rest of the planet."
According to my doctor I'm obese. He looks at the number on the scales and declares me obese and unfit. He pays little attention to the fact that I run half marathons on a regular basis, I compete at world championship level in OCR and my max deadlift is 100kg. I've had 1 day off sick since 2010, and that was because of an epileptic seizure.
Obese means fuck all. |
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"Upped to 10,000iu a day since March, usually take Oct to April. One we take has Vit C combined, we also add zinc. "
Why so high a Vit D dose? Is that on medical advice? This is not something to encourage to everyone. |
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Yeah I take vitamin d every winter for the last few years now. That with getting exercise in and eating better helps low moods for me in the winter time. Much prefer those 3 things together than having to take depression medication. |
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"Upped to 10,000iu a day since March, usually take Oct to April. One we take has Vit C combined, we also add zinc.
Why so high a Vit D dose? Is that on medical advice? This is not something to encourage to everyone."
Dr advised as best way to boost immune system |
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Why so high a Vit D dose? Is that on medical advice? This is not something to encourage to everyone.
Dr advised as best way to boost immune system "
As long as it's medically supervised at that dosage. Vitamin D toxicity is a real thing and very high unnecessary doses can lead to increased blood calcium levels which are very bad for cardiovascular health. |
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"Upped to 10,000iu a day since March, usually take Oct to April. One we take has Vit C combined, we also add zinc.
Why so high a Vit D dose? Is that on medical advice? This is not something to encourage to everyone."
10,000 is a pretty standard dose, the toxic levels for D are huge and virtually impossible to attain.
I take 5000iu a day in summer and 10,000iu in winter. |
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I've been taking it for a few years and use light therapy in the winter.
My understanding is that effects on Covid-19 are still unclear (data conflicting/messy/confounding factors) but that supplentation is generally advisable for good health. |
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"I take vitamin D as I experience SAD - I use a daylight lamp as well and it does help x"
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment.
This is false. Very little Vitamin D is derived from the diet, the majority needs to be synthesised via sunlight. The majority of the UK population is deficient and Vitamin D is not excreted in the urine anyway. It's excreted bound to bile salts in the faeces.
Vitamin D is the only vitamin that the wide population would benefit from supplementation with."
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If you are not already getting vitamin D in your diet then you really need to ret-think your whole diet, remember that vitamin pills are for people with a poor diet, also lack of regular exercise will not help, if people took better care of themselves and yes I'm talking to all you obese couch potatoes then you would not catch every little virus that comes along, the worlds biggest killer by a long way is heart disease, killing 48,000 people per day on this planet, much like covid it would be killing a lot less people if they were healthy.
This has been discussed over and over in this thread. Changing what someone eats will make no difference whatsoever.
Heart disease is also associated with low Vit D levels as are many, many conditions because it is HUGELY important for nearly all systems in the body.
Your awful assumption that only obese people get sick is completely wrong too, there are plenty of slim TOFI's (thin outside, fat inside) out there with metabolic syndrome and over 20% of obese people will not develop T2 diabetes.
Obese people cost the NHS well over 3 billion pounds per year...!! Just because they dont take better care of themselves, a balanced diet and exercise are one of the most easy things anybody can do, I can only imagine how much money obese people cost the rest of the planet.
What a narrow, judgemental and unsupportive statement you've just made, completely ignoring sound evidence just for your own agenda.
There is a lot of reading I can recommend to improve your understanding of the complex issue that is obesity and the common myth that a 'balanced diet' (whatever that is) and exercise will prevent or cure it.
Are you willing to do it with an open mind?"
I understand that part of that 3 billion is coming out of my pocket as a taxpayer..! The obese, heavy smokers and heavy drinkers cost each and every tax payer way way too much, and all of it avoidable, but people are lazy and when it all catches up with them they put out their hand and expect the rest of us to pay for their mistakes, the world would be a better place for all of us if those people took better care of themselves. |
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I use to take vitamin D as a night worker it dose help, I only knew my vitamin D was low after going to doctors because my legs was aching, and was getting cramp,  |
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"Best source of vitamin D comes from most exotic fruits you'll be surprised why most people live longer in other countries as these fruits provide loads of vitamins
Without any chemicals"
Unfortunately I can't think of any exotic fruit containing vitamin D..... |
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"Best source of vitamin D comes from most exotic fruits you'll be surprised why most people live longer in other countries as these fruits provide loads of vitamins
Without any chemicals"
Please identify the fruits and the amount of vitamins D. What percentage of the recommended daily amount do they contain? |
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"Best source of vitamin D comes from most exotic fruits you'll be surprised why most people live longer in other countries as these fruits provide loads of vitamins
Without any chemicals"
Who told you this ? |
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"Best source of vitamin D comes from most exotic fruits you'll be surprised why most people live longer in other countries as these fruits provide loads of vitamins
Without any chemicals"
Vitamin D is fat soluble, there's very little fat in plant cells. Also the functions of vitamin D are exclusively animal-only functions, namely it's a co-enzyme required for absorption of calcium and phosphorus into bone (plants don't have bones) and has a role in the immune system as there are vit D receptors on all the major immunological factors (B cells, T cells etc). Plants don't produce these because they have no adaptive immune system. |
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If you are already vitamin D deficient, diet alone will not be enough. Even the foods labeled 'good source of vitamin D' do not have the levels needed to make up the deficits.
I have my levels checked constantly so my prescription is either increased or decreased if needed (so far never decreased). And yes I eat a healthy balanced diet including the foods 'high' in vitamin D.
My endocrinologist said when I was diagnosed 6 years ago that being vitamin D deficient is more common than you think purely because of where we live. She also said that studies had proven that it can be hereditary, which explains why both my children also had it they were teens when diagnosed (they were physically fit, ate a health diet and were outside most of the time) not everyone can absorb vitamin D via the sun.
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over a year ago
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Unfortunately I can't think of any exotic fruit containing vitamin D.....
Whilst are fruits that provides vitamin D are also vegetables kale mushrooms spinach fish eggs and many more the human body can act unexpectedly which remains a mystery as each organ can benefit more so the body can function better it's like a mixing bowl that produces vitamin D naturally by eating the correct things just like our bodies produce creatine yet available on the market as an extra boost
Like the saying goes what you put in is very important most don't even realize what they are eating and the benefits unless they are taking up some kind of physical workout but each organ has the potential to function properly if it's giving the correct amount to act healthy so it can produce other sources of vitamins the body naturally needs
If anyone ever watched the documentary whether vitamins over the counter ever made a difference the lady hadn't shown any difference in the test readings and took regularly daily.... And most illnesses like cancer are produced from drugs prescribed and many more |
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"Unfortunately I can't think of any exotic fruit containing vitamin D.....
Whilst are fruits that provides vitamin D are also vegetables kale mushrooms spinach fish eggs and many more the human body can act unexpectedly which remains a mystery as each organ can benefit more so the body can function better it's like a mixing bowl that produces vitamin D naturally by eating the correct things just like our bodies produce creatine yet available on the market as an extra boost
Like the saying goes what you put in is very important most don't even realize what they are eating and the benefits unless they are taking up some kind of physical workout but each organ has the potential to function properly if it's giving the correct amount to act healthy so it can produce other sources of vitamins the body naturally needs
If anyone ever watched the documentary whether vitamins over the counter ever made a difference the lady hadn't shown any difference in the test readings and took regularly daily.... And most illnesses like cancer are produced from drugs prescribed and many more "
The TV experiments with OTC vitamins concluded that Vitamin D and folic acid (for certain people) were the only two supplements worth taking. The water soluble vitamins, like Vitamin C, usually aren't needed in supplement form for most people, so yes, are mainly excreted. The NHS does not recommend routine supplementation of anything, apart from vitamin D and folic acid. The British population has been vitamin D deficient on average since forever, even when people had work outdoors etc. That's because the latitude of the UK precludes vitamin D biosynthesis for about half the year. Rickets and other bone deformities were commonplace. |
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"Unfortunately I can't think of any exotic fruit containing vitamin D.....
Whilst are fruits that provides vitamin D are also vegetables kale mushrooms spinach fish eggs and many more the human body can act unexpectedly which remains a mystery as each organ can benefit more so the body can function better it's like a mixing bowl that produces vitamin D naturally by eating the correct things just like our bodies produce creatine yet available on the market as an extra boost
Like the saying goes what you put in is very important most don't even realize what they are eating and the benefits unless they are taking up some kind of physical workout but each organ has the potential to function properly if it's giving the correct amount to act healthy so it can produce other sources of vitamins the body naturally needs
If anyone ever watched the documentary whether vitamins over the counter ever made a difference the lady hadn't shown any difference in the test readings and took regularly daily.... And most illnesses like cancer are produced from drugs prescribed and many more "
Oh, and what specific cancers are caused by medication/drugs taken, please? |
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over a year ago
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Was cancer a man made illness via prescribed drugs yes because that's what is called long term side effects and known fact that prescribed medication causes other illnesses and gets past on through generations hence more and more cases |
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"Was cancer a man made illness via prescribed drugs yes because that's what is called long term side effects and known fact that prescribed medication causes other illnesses and gets past on through generations hence more and more cases "
Nope, we'll need more than that. Specific examples of drugs which cause cancer, specific cancers caused by drugs etc. What you seem to be talking about is epigenetics - perhaps you'd like to expand? |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment.
Just wrong vitamin d has nothing to do with what you eat."
You can get vitamin D from certain foods. Oily fish is one source. |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment.
Just wrong vitamin d has nothing to do with what you eat.
You can get vitamin D from certain foods. Oily fish is one source. "
Indeed, but you'd have to eat a fair amount of oily fish every day to get enough. 1000iu (25mcg) is a fairly standard dose for supplementation. Raw mackerel has, on average, 8.2 mcg Vitamin D per 100g. So, to get 25mcg from the fish, you'd need to eat just over 300g of mackerel. That's about one whole mackerel fish. You'd have to eat one whole mackerel every day. I know I'd prefer to just take the oil filled supplement capsules. I like oily fish, but not a whole mackerel every single day, ta. |
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Just reading through this thing and I'm just here wondering why are people so against medicine, like you're against taking medicine now but if you were down with a critical illness, you would be the same person begging the doctor to give you any pill that will cure you because i doubt you'll be telling the doc no give me food i can reach my daily requirements through food alone.
For example most of us need between .7g to 1g of calcium per day, now are you telling me you have time to be downing a litre of milk 7 days a week |
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over a year ago
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"Was cancer a man made illness via prescribed drugs yes because that's what is called long term side effects and known fact that prescribed medication causes other illnesses and gets past on through generations hence more and more cases
Nope, we'll need more than that. Specific examples of drugs which cause cancer, specific cancers caused by drugs etc. What you seem to be talking about is epigenetics - perhaps you'd like to expand?"
History speaks for itself if you care to research back just like other known drugs how they had affected mankind and was proven pharmaceutical companies make multi billions and more yet each drug has known to harm in some way or another natural medicine comes from plantation which is still used widely and a car variety of Seeds have better source of vitamin and mineral resources to provide the human body then any vitamin tablets over the counter please research this information it'll help as most of us take things for granted and don't realise what benefits are there but miss out x |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"Just reading through this thing and I'm just here wondering why are people so against medicine, like you're against taking medicine now but if you were down with a critical illness, you would be the same person begging the doctor to give you any pill that will cure you because i doubt you'll be telling the doc no give me food i can reach my daily requirements through food alone.
For example most of us need between .7g to 1g of calcium per day, now are you telling me you have time to be downing a litre of milk 7 days a week "
Hi you are aware that those proteins are available in other sources like fruit and vegetables and a variety of Seeds cereal list goes on |
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"Vitamin D was a conspiracy theory to start with.. Hard to know what is true anymore. "
How the feck is a co-enzyme that the human body synthesises naturally in the epidermis a conspiracy theory?! That's like saying "your heartbeat started out as a conspiracy theory".
It's plain from this thread and in particular, recent comments, that many posters lack a very basic understanding of human biology (someone comments about calcium, a mineral. The next person says "that protein can be acquired from plants"). I'd like to recommend a return to the first year of senior school biology and a review of the nutrients required for human bodies to function, namely:
Proteins (chains of amino acids, which all contain nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen and oxygen and some contain exciting things like sulphur. Proteins have fuck all to do with calcium (see below: "mineral"));
Fats (triglycerides and cholesterol, made up of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen the same as carbs, just organised differently);
Carbohydrates (made of carbon ring structures plus bonded oxygen and hydrogen);
Minerals (ions of elements such as magnesium - Mg2+, calcium - Ca2+, sodium - Na+ etc);
Vitamins (fat-soluble = A, D, E, K; water-soluble - all the rest of them)
Water (a chemical compound H2O)
Fibre (insoluble carbohydrate in the form of cellulose, derived from plant cell walls. Indigestible by humans because we lack the enzyme cellulase, as do most animals. Check out how ruminants work if you don't believe me.)
I wish to goodness that people would stop writing utter codswallop. The other day, we had someone confidently expound that human cells didn't contain DNA. Give me strength! |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"Vitamin D was a conspiracy theory to start with.. Hard to know what is true anymore.
How the feck is a co-enzyme that the human body synthesises naturally in the epidermis a conspiracy theory?! That's like saying "your heartbeat started out as a conspiracy theory".
It's plain from this thread and in particular, recent comments, that many posters lack a very basic understanding of human biology (someone comments about calcium, a mineral. The next person says "that protein can be acquired from plants"). I'd like to recommend a return to the first year of senior school biology and a review of the nutrients required for human bodies to function, namely:
Proteins (chains of amino acids, which all contain nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen and oxygen and some contain exciting things like sulphur. Proteins have fuck all to do with calcium (see below: "mineral"));
Fats (triglycerides and cholesterol, made up of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen the same as carbs, just organised differently);
Carbohydrates (made of carbon ring structures plus bonded oxygen and hydrogen);
Minerals (ions of elements such as magnesium - Mg2+, calcium - Ca2+, sodium - Na+ etc);
Vitamins (fat-soluble = A, D, E, K; water-soluble - all the rest of them)
Water (a chemical compound H2O)
Fibre (insoluble carbohydrate in the form of cellulose, derived from plant cell walls. Indigestible by humans because we lack the enzyme cellulase, as do most animals. Check out how ruminants work if you don't believe me.)
I wish to goodness that people would stop writing utter codswallop. The other day, we had someone confidently expound that human cells didn't contain DNA. Give me strength!"
A majority of medicine started of from some form of plant just like paracetamol originally came from a plant and are loads which are still widely used by those who know which is now classified as herbal remedies and vitamin D alone doesn't save anyone but the amount of good source of protein to help your immune system fight off bacteria a weak immune system puts people at risk so it's not about just understanding of a balance diet but understand each so you are getting the benefits of what you eat and knowing so you have knowledge rather than just relying on the basic that you may know about as their are super foods that are very rich that can provide more...  |
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A majority of medicine started of from some form of plant just like paracetamol originally came from a plant and are loads which are still widely used by those who know which is now classified as herbal remedies and vitamin D alone doesn't save anyone but the amount of good source of protein to help your immune system fight off bacteria a weak immune system puts people at risk so it's not about just understanding of a balance diet but understand each so you are getting the benefits of what you eat and knowing so you have knowledge rather than just relying on the basic that you may know about as their are super foods that are very rich that can provide more... "
The overall message is right but I think you mean Aspirin - originally derived from Willow bark until it was synthesised and moved from Salicylic Acid to Acetylsalicylic Acid.
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over a year ago
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A majority of medicine started of from some form of plant just like paracetamol originally came from a plant and are loads which are still widely used by those who know which is now classified as herbal remedies and vitamin D alone doesn't save anyone but the amount of good source of protein to help your immune system fight off bacteria a weak immune system puts people at risk so it's not about just understanding of a balance diet but understand each so you are getting the benefits of what you eat and knowing so you have knowledge rather than just relying on the basic that you may know about as their are super foods that are very rich that can provide more...
The overall message is right but I think you mean Aspirin - originally derived from Willow bark until it was synthesised and moved from Salicylic Acid to Acetylsalicylic Acid.
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Is a plant for paracetamol buddy just like for few others whether you chew on the leaf or crushing it into powder form |
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"Vitamin D was a conspiracy theory to start with.. Hard to know what is true anymore.
How the feck is a co-enzyme that the human body synthesises naturally in the epidermis a conspiracy theory?! That's like saying "your heartbeat started out as a conspiracy theory".
It's plain from this thread and in particular, recent comments, that many posters lack a very basic understanding of human biology (someone comments about calcium, a mineral. The next person says "that protein can be acquired from plants"). I'd like to recommend a return to the first year of senior school biology and a review of the nutrients required for human bodies to function, namely:
Proteins (chains of amino acids, which all contain nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen and oxygen and some contain exciting things like sulphur. Proteins have fuck all to do with calcium (see below: "mineral"));
Fats (triglycerides and cholesterol, made up of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen the same as carbs, just organised differently);
Carbohydrates (made of carbon ring structures plus bonded oxygen and hydrogen);
Minerals (ions of elements such as magnesium - Mg2+, calcium - Ca2+, sodium - Na+ etc);
Vitamins (fat-soluble = A, D, E, K; water-soluble - all the rest of them)
Water (a chemical compound H2O)
Fibre (insoluble carbohydrate in the form of cellulose, derived from plant cell walls. Indigestible by humans because we lack the enzyme cellulase, as do most animals. Check out how ruminants work if you don't believe me.)
I wish to goodness that people would stop writing utter codswallop. The other day, we had someone confidently expound that human cells didn't contain DNA. Give me strength!
A majority of medicine started of from some form of plant just like paracetamol originally came from a plant and are loads which are still widely used by those who know which is now classified as herbal remedies and vitamin D alone doesn't save anyone but the amount of good source of protein to help your immune system fight off bacteria a weak immune system puts people at risk so it's not about just understanding of a balance diet but understand each so you are getting the benefits of what you eat and knowing so you have knowledge rather than just relying on the basic that you may know about as their are super foods that are very rich that can provide more... "
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A majority of medicine started of from some form of plant just like paracetamol originally came from a plant and are loads which are still widely used by those who know which is now classified as herbal remedies and vitamin D alone doesn't save anyone but the amount of good source of protein to help your immune system fight off bacteria a weak immune system puts people at risk so it's not about just understanding of a balance diet but understand each so you are getting the benefits of what you eat and knowing so you have knowledge rather than just relying on the basic that you may know about as their are super foods that are very rich that can provide more...
The overall message is right but I think you mean Aspirin - originally derived from Willow bark until it was synthesised and moved from Salicylic Acid to Acetylsalicylic Acid.
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Yeah it's right, apart from the paracetamol bit. And the connection between Vitamin D and protein.
Yes, we know many pharmaceutical drugs are derived from plants, that's not under discussion. The discussion here is supplementation with Vitamin D (usually derived from fish oils and put in a capsule/tablet) and plants contain bugger all vitamin D. And vitamin D is not a protein, nor is it found in proteins.
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"Vitamin D was a conspiracy theory to start with.. Hard to know what is true anymore.
How the feck is a co-enzyme that the human body synthesises naturally in the epidermis a conspiracy theory?! That's like saying "your heartbeat started out as a conspiracy theory".
It's plain from this thread and in particular, recent comments, that many posters lack a very basic understanding of human biology (someone comments about calcium, a mineral. The next person says "that protein can be acquired from plants"). I'd like to recommend a return to the first year of senior school biology and a review of the nutrients required for human bodies to function, namely:
Proteins (chains of amino acids, which all contain nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen and oxygen and some contain exciting things like sulphur. Proteins have fuck all to do with calcium (see below: "mineral"));
Fats (triglycerides and cholesterol, made up of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen the same as carbs, just organised differently);
Carbohydrates (made of carbon ring structures plus bonded oxygen and hydrogen);
Minerals (ions of elements such as magnesium - Mg2+, calcium - Ca2+, sodium - Na+ etc);
Vitamins (fat-soluble = A, D, E, K; water-soluble - all the rest of them)
Water (a chemical compound H2O)
Fibre (insoluble carbohydrate in the form of cellulose, derived from plant cell walls. Indigestible by humans because we lack the enzyme cellulase, as do most animals. Check out how ruminants work if you don't believe me.)
I wish to goodness that people would stop writing utter codswallop. The other day, we had someone confidently expound that human cells didn't contain DNA. Give me strength!"
You've gone on an epic tangent. I meant that it helped against covid was regarded as a 'conspiracy theory' or 'junk science'. When Joe Rogan talked about boosting the immune system he was roundly lambasted. I should have provided more context though, my apologies. |
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"Vitamin D was a conspiracy theory to start with.. Hard to know what is true anymore. "
I don't know the specific origins of vitamin D touted for Covid, but the idea you can pop a pill (somehow not a big pharma pill because vitamin, as if supplements aren't big business) seems to be appealing. It's all these other people's fault for not eating properly, it's not something we all have to worry about or take responsibility for. |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment.
This is false. Very little Vitamin D is derived from the diet, the majority needs to be synthesised via sunlight. The majority of the UK population is deficient and Vitamin D is not excreted in the urine anyway. It's excreted bound to bile salts in the faeces.
Vitamin D is the only vitamin that the wide population would benefit from supplementation with.
I stand corrected."
You stand corrected that vitamin d is water soluble and not fat soluble, ok |
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"Most younger healthy people won't need it especially anyone that has a reasonably healthy diet, they will just produce expensive wee. I can see why older people or people with bad diet should take a vitamin d suppliment.
This is false. Very little Vitamin D is derived from the diet, the majority needs to be synthesised via sunlight. The majority of the UK population is deficient and Vitamin D is not excreted in the urine anyway. It's excreted bound to bile salts in the faeces.
Vitamin D is the only vitamin that the wide population would benefit from supplementation with.
I stand corrected.
You stand corrected that vitamin d is water soluble and not fat soluble, ok"
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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Unsure who says vitamin D doesn't come from plants there is more than just the obvious vitamin D like D2 and so on
I think most people are unaware because you stick to the daily routine of eating typical foods and don't use as much ingredients and understand the benefits that not only herbs have but how to cook with these herbs as they provide a good source of vitamins which all come from plants to provide a healthy immune system as well as what you cook these with
Vitamin D2 content in pulses, whole grains, dry fruits milk and milk products has been quantified as it gives an insight into the various food sources which provide this particular vitamin. Vitamin D’s D-2 component is found in plant foods and the D3 component is produced by a fat-soluble vitamin that helps the body absorb calcium and phosphorus.
I'm not medical trained but learned a lot from my own generation IE family and this goes way back before you able to use most of the things you have today which most are substitutes..... |
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Vitamin D2 is not biological available for the functions required by humans. This requires Vitamin D3. Fungi (eg mushrooms) and yeast produce Vitamin D2 but both fungi and yeast are not plants. They have cellular structures and metabolisms most closely resembling animal cells. Cholesterol is required for Vitamin D to be synthesised by the body and cholesterol is only present in animal cell. Fungi contain ergosterol and this sterol synthesises only D2.
The long and short of it is that for humans to function normally, they require Vitamin D3, either via biosynthesis in the epidermis (involving cholesterol) or they need to imbibe it from diet (nigh on impossible to eat enough to be available) OR take supplements. Humans are not especially well adapted for living at the latitudes we live at. In natural circumstances (no modern medicine etc), many children would suffer rickets and many adults would suffer osteomalacia. They would have limb deformities and this is borne out via archaeological evidence, which shows plenty of evidence of bendy bones. Rickets as a public health issue was being written about in the 1500/1600s, but they didn't know what the cause was or how to treat it. That only really came in the 1920s. Cod liver oil supplementation was then recommended (how many of us were forced to swallow that as kids? Many of us). Nowadays, we can ditch the yacky cod liver oil and just take a nice capsule or chew a tasty flavoured jelly (for kids). |
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"Vitamin D2 is not biological available for the functions required by humans. This requires Vitamin D3. Fungi (eg mushrooms) and yeast produce Vitamin D2 but both fungi and yeast are not plants. They have cellular structures and metabolisms most closely resembling animal cells. Cholesterol is required for Vitamin D to be synthesised by the body and cholesterol is only present in animal cell. Fungi contain ergosterol and this sterol synthesises only D2.
The long and short of it is that for humans to function normally, they require Vitamin D3, either via biosynthesis in the epidermis (involving cholesterol) or they need to imbibe it from diet (nigh on impossible to eat enough to be available) OR take supplements. Humans are not especially well adapted for living at the latitudes we live at. In natural circumstances (no modern medicine etc), many children would suffer rickets and many adults would suffer osteomalacia. They would have limb deformities and this is borne out via archaeological evidence, which shows plenty of evidence of bendy bones. Rickets as a public health issue was being written about in the 1500/1600s, but they didn't know what the cause was or how to treat it. That only really came in the 1920s. Cod liver oil supplementation was then recommended (how many of us were forced to swallow that as kids? Many of us). Nowadays, we can ditch the yacky cod liver oil and just take a nice capsule or chew a tasty flavoured jelly (for kids)."
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"Unsure who says vitamin D doesn't come from plants there is more than just the obvious vitamin D like D2 and so on
I think most people are unaware because you stick to the daily routine of eating typical foods and don't use as much ingredients and understand the benefits that not only herbs have but how to cook with these herbs as they provide a good source of vitamins which all come from plants to provide a healthy immune system as well as what you cook these with
Vitamin D2 content in pulses, whole grains, dry fruits milk and milk products has been quantified as it gives an insight into the various food sources which provide this particular vitamin. Vitamin D’s D-2 component is found in plant foods and the D3 component is produced by a fat-soluble vitamin that helps the body absorb calcium and phosphorus.
I'm not medical trained but learned a lot from my own generation IE family and this goes way back before you able to use most of the things you have today which most are substitutes....."
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"I've been taking it a couple of years after a serious infection and resulting blood tests showed I was deficient.
I could get it on prescription which I get free, but I prefer to buy it. Although because of the Covid link its getting harder to pick it up in the likes of Tesco."
I got a year's supply of vegan friendly tablets on Amazon for less than the price of a prescription. 4000iu strength |
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By *ucka39Man
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Also while we have all these things that are good for us to much can be very harmful as what is a recommended daily allowance
Is based on the height weight and lifestyles and a majority of vitamins are necessary just as much as vitamin C as a defence or B and more |
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