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"Thought it was the Oxford VACCINE!" Doubts over it already | |||
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"The FT doubts the new Oxford virus? It is a quality paper so " | |||
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"It’s lowest efficacy %age is more effective than is required. "I will let you read and interpret it | |||
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"It’s lowest efficacy %age is more effective than is required. "But some follow Karen on FB so they might be more knowledgeable..  | |||
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"And some read the Financial times " Because it's a quality paper Tom.. | |||
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"And some read the Financial times Because it's a quality paper Tom.. "Who knows .. ? But those expecting 90% might be disappointed | |||
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"And some read the Financial times Because it's a quality paper Tom.. "Is it still printed on pink paper ? | |||
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"And some read the Financial times Because it's a quality paper Tom..
Is it still printed on pink paper ?"It is... | |||
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"And some read the Financial times Because it's a quality paper Tom..
Who knows .. ?
But those expecting 90% might be disappointed "Was there a survey done? Maybe those disappointed will reconsider.. | |||
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"And some read the Financial times Because it's a quality paper Tom..
Is it still printed on pink paper ?"Not the online version..  | |||
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"So we can assume some doubt over the research... " We can wait till the data is further revealed.. Why would the percentages being 70 or 90 cast doubt upon the research.. Or the efficacy of a 70% vaccine? | |||
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"Was concerned ar the briefing today the PM seemed to be saying no vaccine till next year." That's only 6 weeks and the study hasn't been published yet, take out a week for Christmas so the MHRA better get the finger out. | |||
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"Maybe those Vax shamers will reconsider" There's more than just the Oxford vaccine to be going on with...... | |||
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"So we can assume some doubt over the research... " All I see is dubious interpretation of results that haven't been fully evaluated or published yet. | |||
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"So we can assume some doubt over the research... All I see is dubious interpretation of results that haven't been fully evaluated or published yet. " It's been said there has been a huge cock up | |||
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"Perhaps just anti propoganda " ...and about as useful and relevant as calling a tin of paint a wheelbarrow. | |||
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"Is it 90 or 70 or 60% effective ? Doubts in Financial Times " No read that report, but have read BMJ article Waiting for actual study to published Phfizer published their finding on their website under their original 90% claim, the stats were based at the time on 94 people out of the whole 43k going on to successfully catch covid. They could then study severity etc. and how many in vax v un vax group to make their statement. As more catch covid the % claim will change will be the same with any study | |||
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"Never believe the press " ...unless it can be misquoted or twisted to support an otherwise untenable argument of course... | |||
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"And somebody posted about HIV" So the vaccine gives you HIV? | |||
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"More to this than meets the eye " Sounds more like conspiracy desperation to me. | |||
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"Not my post. Read back.. " The only person mentioning HIV here is you. | |||
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"They will have a testube full of the stuff.. The Oxford virus " OP you are questioning the efficacy of a vaccine and maybe have a point to do so. However when did you last eat a takeaway or a McDonald’s chicken burger? | |||
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"They will have a testube full of the stuff.. The Oxford virus " Sorry, what's in this test tube? (Apart from the fact test tubes aren't really used for storage) | |||
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"They will have a testube full of the stuff.. The Oxford virus OP you are questioning the efficacy of a vaccine and maybe have a point to do so. However when did you last eat a takeaway or a McDonald’s chicken burger? " A decade ago maybe... | |||
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"Perhaps just anti propoganda " Or uncle propaganda? Tom you are a serial doom and gloom monger ........chill for heavens sake | |||
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"They will have a testube full of the stuff.. The Oxford virus OP you are questioning the efficacy of a vaccine and maybe have a point to do so. However when did you last eat a takeaway or a McDonald’s chicken burger? A decade ago maybe..." But you still ate that shite! | |||
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"I do not deter anyone taking any substance if it makes them happy.. I will not worship a false God " I don’t know a golden calf has it’s attraction | |||
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"Some arenot just sheep but lambs to the slaughter.. I" Have you swallowed the bible? | |||
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"Perhaps just anti propoganda Or uncle propaganda? Tom you are a serial doom and gloom monger ........chill for heavens sake" It's best not to ask such questions  | |||
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"Read the FY.. All that glistens is not gold.." the FY? | |||
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"Wait n see my friends.. Wait n see..." Tom, perhaps you'd like to answer my question further up about what you believe is in a test tube somewhere? | |||
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"I do not deter anyone taking any substance if it makes them happy.. I will not worship a false God I don’t know a golden calf has it’s attraction " I'd accept a silver ankle...  | |||
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"Perhaps just anti propoganda Or uncle propaganda? Tom you are a serial doom and gloom monger ........chill for heavens sake It's best not to ask such questions "I am coming to learn this very quickly. Someone who is potentially hyperglycaemic asking for advice on a sex site I say seek urgent medical attention. Someone who randomly, over tea and cake tells her mum she is on a recreational sex site I ask why. Questions are not what the forum likes! | |||
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"I do not deter anyone taking any substance if it makes them happy.. I will not worship a false God I don’t know a golden calf has it’s attraction I'd accept a silver ankle... "Replacement ankles are from a titanium alloy! | |||
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"Wait n sea .. Wait n sea .." Tom I know you hail from Essex where cousins are brides but get a grip fella! | |||
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"Perhaps just anti propoganda Or uncle propaganda? Tom you are a serial doom and gloom monger ........chill for heavens sake It's best not to ask such questions
I am coming to learn this very quickly. Someone who is potentially hyperglycaemic asking for advice on a sex site I say seek urgent medical attention. Someone who randomly, over tea and cake tells her mum she is on a recreational sex site I ask why. Questions are not what the forum likes!"I'd like it to be noted I have no issues with the other threads you refer to. My comment was directly to respond re: the OPs positivity, or lack thereof. I'm sure if you hang out here long enough, you will answer your own question about doom and gloom. | |||
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"Wait n sea .. Wait n sea .." Like all the other prophesies that came to nothing and obviously wouldn't? Not holding my breath frankly. | |||
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"Perhaps just anti propoganda Or uncle propaganda? Tom you are a serial doom and gloom monger ........chill for heavens sake It's best not to ask such questions
I am coming to learn this very quickly. Someone who is potentially hyperglycaemic asking for advice on a sex site I say seek urgent medical attention. Someone who randomly, over tea and cake tells her mum she is on a recreational sex site I ask why. Questions are not what the forum likes!
I'd like it to be noted I have no issues with the other threads you refer to. My comment was directly to respond re: the OPs positivity, or lack thereof. I'm sure if you hang out here long enough, you will answer your own question about doom and gloom."As disclaimer on a forum reply! The special ones have you spooked. | |||
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"Perhaps just anti propoganda Or uncle propaganda? Tom you are a serial doom and gloom monger ........chill for heavens sake It's best not to ask such questions
I am coming to learn this very quickly. Someone who is potentially hyperglycaemic asking for advice on a sex site I say seek urgent medical attention. Someone who randomly, over tea and cake tells her mum she is on a recreational sex site I ask why. Questions are not what the forum likes!
I'd like it to be noted I have no issues with the other threads you refer to. My comment was directly to respond re: the OPs positivity, or lack thereof. I'm sure if you hang out here long enough, you will answer your own question about doom and gloom.
As disclaimer on a forum reply!
The special ones have you spooked."¿Qué? I don't wish to be seen to be agreeing to criticism that I happen not to agree with. Of course, you are fully entitled to your point of view. Anyhow. Our friend Mr Essex is well known for the positivity and light that radiate from his forum contributions. | |||
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"Perhaps just anti propoganda Or uncle propaganda? Tom you are a serial doom and gloom monger ........chill for heavens sake It's best not to ask such questions
I am coming to learn this very quickly. Someone who is potentially hyperglycaemic asking for advice on a sex site I say seek urgent medical attention. Someone who randomly, over tea and cake tells her mum she is on a recreational sex site I ask why. Questions are not what the forum likes!
I'd like it to be noted I have no issues with the other threads you refer to. My comment was directly to respond re: the OPs positivity, or lack thereof. I'm sure if you hang out here long enough, you will answer your own question about doom and gloom.
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The special ones have you spooked.
¿Qué? I don't wish to be seen to be agreeing to criticism that I happen not to agree with. Of course, you are fully entitled to your point of view.
Anyhow. Our friend Mr Essex is well known for the positivity and light that radiate from his forum contributions."I didn’t know Mr Essex was Jesus of FAB It all makes sense now! | |||
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"Prior to the trial, the target effectiveness was set, which was accepted as below the actual range of results, so the vaccine exceeded its target. It's a wonderful success. 2 dosing types were used - 1. Half dose initially, then a full dose 2. A full dose initially, then another full dose. No 1 gave the highest result. Ni 2 gave the lowest result. An average of the 2 results was also provided. Three different numbers - we can all of us understand why there are three numbers and that there's thus a range. The great thing is that we can see the half dose followed by a full dose, has the greatest effectiveness. Research can continue now, to ensure that even greater levels of evidence will be produced. The initial targets were exceeded. This is the most important aspect of this. The official approval process can now continue, by very detailed analysis of the full trial results. There's no guarantee of approvaal now but it having exceeded its target level of efficacy is a major reason for it to be accepted as a success. Sure, some media outlets may try to cause confusion over what are very simple results to understand. Most people aren't hoodwinked that way and in any event, will make their own analysis of vaccine options and the evidence upon them. " Sophie I am reassured now, thanks | |||
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"Prior to the trial, the target effectiveness was set, which was accepted as below the actual range of results, so the vaccine exceeded its target. It's a wonderful success. 2 dosing types were used - 1. Half dose initially, then a full dose 2. A full dose initially, then another full dose. No 1 gave the highest result. Ni 2 gave the lowest result. An average of the 2 results was also provided. Three different numbers - we can all of us understand why there are three numbers and that there's thus a range. The great thing is that we can see the half dose followed by a full dose, has the greatest effectiveness. Research can continue now, to ensure that even greater levels of evidence will be produced. The initial targets were exceeded. This is the most important aspect of this. The official approval process can now continue, by very detailed analysis of the full trial results. There's no guarantee of approvaal now but it having exceeded its target level of efficacy is a major reason for it to be accepted as a success. Sure, some media outlets may try to cause confusion over what are very simple results to understand. Most people aren't hoodwinked that way and in any event, will make their own analysis of vaccine options and the evidence upon them. Sophie I am reassured now, thanks" Thank you. | |||
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"Never believe the press...starts thread quoting the press as gospel. It just requires further study, the vaccine is definitely at least 62% effective by the early information released, the 90% figure was a smaller subgroup who were younger so not known if that figure will hold up in older people. They didn't stride out claiming it was definitely 90% effective so not sure what the problem is here. " The problem is that if you have vaccines that are over 90% effective why would you consider one that might be 60% effective? | |||
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"Never believe the press...starts thread quoting the press as gospel. It just requires further study, the vaccine is definitely at least 62% effective by the early information released, the 90% figure was a smaller subgroup who were younger so not known if that figure will hold up in older people. They didn't stride out claiming it was definitely 90% effective so not sure what the problem is here. The problem is that if you have vaccines that are over 90% effective why would you consider one that might be 60% effective?" Easier to store and transport. And it does meets the minimum 50% target. But it agree it did feel a bit of a letdown when it came with 'only' a 62% efficacy compared to the others and that's the one Hancock had bet on. However 62% efficacy should still bring the virus down in the community. | |||
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"Wait n sea .. Wait n sea .. Tom I know you hail from Essex where cousins are brides but get a grip fella!" You're thinking of Norfolk. Tom's talking shit basically. | |||
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"Never believe the press...starts thread quoting the press as gospel. It just requires further study, the vaccine is definitely at least 62% effective by the early information released, the 90% figure was a smaller subgroup who were younger so not known if that figure will hold up in older people. They didn't stride out claiming it was definitely 90% effective so not sure what the problem is here. The problem is that if you have vaccines that are over 90% effective why would you consider one that might be 60% effective? Easier to store and transport. And it does meets the minimum 50% target. But it agree it did feel a bit of a letdown when it came with 'only' a 62% efficacy compared to the others and that's the one Hancock had bet on. However 62% efficacy should still bring the virus down in the community. " Additionally it will benefit greatly those countries who are unable to provide specialised transportation and storage. | |||
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"Never believe the press...starts thread quoting the press as gospel. It just requires further study, the vaccine is definitely at least 62% effective by the early information released, the 90% figure was a smaller subgroup who were younger so not known if that figure will hold up in older people. They didn't stride out claiming it was definitely 90% effective so not sure what the problem is here. The problem is that if you have vaccines that are over 90% effective why would you consider one that might be 60% effective?" Cost per person vaccinated, including cost of storage and transportation. Ease of both of those too. Availability, including approvals and supply volumes. Patient choice. NICE guidelines. The impact of the virus on health and the economy is severe, so availability will be key, to increasing the immunity levels and the resilience of the country. The vaccines used to get us away from this mess may be different from those used in a few years. Helping to get the country to herd immunity levels should mean that we won't face repetitions of the restrictions that have had so far. | |||
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"Oxford/AZ has either screwed up the science or screwed up the PR. Hopefuly it's just latter and they'll get themselves some better media advisors. Time will tell." You do realise that one of the most important discoveries in the history of mankind was accidental don't you ? | |||
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"Oxford/AZ has either screwed up the science or screwed up the PR. Hopefuly it's just latter and they'll get themselves some better media advisors. Time will tell. You do realise that one of the most important discoveries in the history of mankind was accidental don't you ?" That eggs are actually edible? | |||
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"Can't believe anyone boris is a lying greedy toad the papers print more shit than a sewers,wombles on fb arguing on who's wrong or right us and the usa are doing it all wrong by not being strict enough and as a result the country's screwed well and truly I'll be having the vaccine when it's ready and over 95% successful. " How would you measure the 95% successful ? 95% chance it would be successful for you, 95% of everyone vaccinated, or 95% of the population ? | |||
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"Can't believe anyone boris is a lying greedy toad the papers print more shit than a sewers,wombles on fb arguing on who's wrong or right us and the usa are doing it all wrong by not being strict enough and as a result the country's screwed well and truly I'll be having the vaccine when it's ready and over 95% successful. How would you measure the 95% successful ? 95% chance it would be successful for you, 95% of everyone vaccinated, or 95% of the population ? " The population | |||
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"Can't believe anyone boris is a lying greedy toad the papers print more shit than a sewers,wombles on fb arguing on who's wrong or right us and the usa are doing it all wrong by not being strict enough and as a result the country's screwed well and truly I'll be having the vaccine when it's ready and over 95% successful. " There will probably be several to choose from. It's possible too, in all likelihood, to start with 1 type, for a while, then switch to a different, possibly newer one, in the future. If the best was 94.4% effective but you held out until 1 was 95% effective, you would be helping to prevent herd immunity, as well as getting health problems. Who checks the manufacturer of their flu vaccines each year, or if they get a Tetanus shot? Most typically get the best recommendations each time. | |||
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"Can't believe anyone boris is a lying greedy toad the papers print more shit than a sewers,wombles on fb arguing on who's wrong or right us and the usa are doing it all wrong by not being strict enough and as a result the country's screwed well and truly I'll be having the vaccine when it's ready and over 95% successful. How would you measure the 95% successful ? 95% chance it would be successful for you, 95% of everyone vaccinated, or 95% of the population ? The population " You might be waiting a long time then 95% of suitable recipients is possible but probably not more and a lot of people won't be suitable | |||
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"Oxford mistakenly gave a half dose to 3k of its volunteers. They realised their mistake and notified the regulator who deemed it OK to continue the study. That was when they discovered that giving a half dose first followed by a full dose actually provided 90% cover. So their mistake led to a positive discovery. Thats why the results are being questioned. The 70% figure quoted was a guestimate. " The problem is you can't just choose a sub set of the test and point to that result if it wasn't part of the original test protocol. You can bet that if the results had been the other way around and the half dose was 60% and the full dose was 90% they would have ignored the half dose group and proclaimed a 90% success rate. | |||
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"Oxford mistakenly gave a half dose to 3k of its volunteers. They realised their mistake and notified the regulator who deemed it OK to continue the study. That was when they discovered that giving a half dose first followed by a full dose actually provided 90% cover. So their mistake led to a positive discovery. Thats why the results are being questioned. The 70% figure quoted was a guestimate. The problem is you can't just choose a sub set of the test and point to that result if it wasn't part of the original test protocol. You can bet that if the results had been the other way around and the half dose was 60% and the full dose was 90% they would have ignored the half dose group and proclaimed a 90% success rate." Sorry, that would be unacceptable practice. The full trials results are evaluated with strict rigour. They announced the range of results - least effective, the most effective and the mean average, in advance of full publication. People can focus on whichever part they want to but being fully informed isn't a bad thing. For now, the full results should be published very soon. We can then more fully evaluate them. | |||
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"And some read the Financial times Because it's a quality paper Tom..
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But those expecting 90% might be disappointed "I think 90%is,a bit pie in the sky for any of the vaccines,. Once put into mass production that figure will definately fall. They are, expecting only 60 or 70% effectiveness in reality | |||
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"And some read the Financial times Because it's a quality paper Tom..
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But those expecting 90% might be disappointed I think 90%is,a bit pie in the sky for any of the vaccines,. Once put into mass production that figure will definately fall. They are, expecting only 60 or 70% effectiveness in reality "And in reality that, combined with the various treatments coming through would be effective enough to end the pandemic and return the country to normality. | |||
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"The optimistic pin hopes on headlines. The realistic listen to experts and wait for the science. The idiotic post bullshit about conspiracies, or cast spurious doubt. " They're scared bless them | |||
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"So we can assume some doubt over the research... We can wait till the data is further revealed.. Why would the percentages being 70 or 90 cast doubt upon the research.. Or the efficacy of a 70% vaccine?" The doubt arises from the half dose and the fact of lower number of participants in the trial this and the results naturally leads to questions being asked. They are not doubting it but wondering why such an effect occurred and whether this would be repeated in practice as it is not normal practice in vaccines. It is good these questions are being asked and this could lead to improvements to future vaccines | |||
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"It'll be funny in some months time, when numerous vaccines have been rolled out and the data is all in the public domain, to look back and laugh at the stupidity of forum topics like this. Lambs to the slaughter? "Those who avoided it?  | |||
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"So we can assume some doubt over the research... We can wait till the data is further revealed.. Why would the percentages being 70 or 90 cast doubt upon the research.. Or the efficacy of a 70% vaccine? The doubt arises from the half dose and the fact of lower number of participants in the trial this and the results naturally leads to questions being asked. They are not doubting it but wondering why such an effect occurred and whether this would be repeated in practice as it is not normal practice in vaccines. It is good these questions are being asked and this could lead to improvements to future vaccines" It's a mess | |||
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"And the champions stay quiet.. " The irony | |||
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"Oxford/AZ has either screwed up the science or screwed up the PR. Hopefuly it's just latter and they'll get themselves some better media advisors. Time will tell. You do realise that one of the most important discoveries in the history of mankind was accidental don't you ?" What made you think I was referring to the accident of discovering something? I was talking about how badly they've handled the media. Compared with Pfizer's messaging, Oxford/AZ's has been a disaster. Still, hopefully their vaccine will be a winner. | |||
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"Oxford/AZ has either screwed up the science or screwed up the PR. Hopefuly it's just latter and they'll get themselves some better media advisors. Time will tell. You do realise that one of the most important discoveries in the history of mankind was accidental don't you ? What made you think I was referring to the accident of discovering something? I was talking about how badly they've handled the media. Compared with Pfizer's messaging, Oxford/AZ's has been a disaster. Still, hopefully their vaccine will be a winner." Hkpefully | |||
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"They do... Yesterday news Today chip wrappers.. " This isn't even true anymore, Tom. Have you met the 21st century yet? | |||
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"Oxford/AZ has either screwed up the science or screwed up the PR. Hopefuly it's just latter and they'll get themselves some better media advisors. Time will tell. You do realise that one of the most important discoveries in the history of mankind was accidental don't you ? What made you think I was referring to the accident of discovering something? I was talking about how badly they've handled the media. Compared with Pfizer's messaging, Oxford/AZ's has been a disaster. Still, hopefully their vaccine will be a winner." The first sentance ? | |||
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"They do... Yesterday news Today chip wrappers.. This isn't even true anymore, Tom. Have you met the 21st century yet?" Why would you say that ? | |||
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"They do... Yesterday news Today chip wrappers.. This isn't even true anymore, Tom. Have you met the 21st century yet? Why would you say that ?" Newspaper hasn't been used as chip wrappings for a jolly long time now. Health and safety rules changed | |||
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"So we can assume some doubt over the research... We can wait till the data is further revealed.. Why would the percentages being 70 or 90 cast doubt upon the research.. Or the efficacy of a 70% vaccine? The doubt arises from the half dose and the fact of lower number of participants in the trial this and the results naturally leads to questions being asked. They are not doubting it but wondering why such an effect occurred and whether this would be repeated in practice as it is not normal practice in vaccines. It is good these questions are being asked and this could lead to improvements to future vaccines It's a mess " It's only a mess if you want it to be. To most people it's light at the end of the tunnel | |||
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"They do... Yesterday news Today chip wrappers.. This isn't even true anymore, Tom. Have you met the 21st century yet? Why would you say that ? Newspaper hasn't been used as chip wrappings for a jolly long time now. Health and safety rules changed "Inner wrapperplain paper.. outer paper can be newspaper.. Good enough reason toeavs the EU | |||
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"What has this got to do with vaccines?" A distraction from the good news that could mean an end to the whinging about Covid | |||
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"Not sure there is a vaccine" Correct. There's 3 (plural) at least. More if you add in the Chinese and Russian ones. | |||
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"Not sure there is a vaccine Correct. There's 3 (plural) at least. More if you add in the Chinese and Russian ones." None available | |||
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"Not sure there is a vaccine" And I’m not sure why any of us post responses to your ill thought out ‘threads’ having just read the Maradona thread I think you just post things to get a response, reaction or more likely a bit of attention. I guess I’m just as guilty of reacting but only ask the question why YOU don’t think there is a vaccine? If you do answer you have my word I will read it but I won’t grave your reply with a further response | |||
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"Not sure there is a vaccine Correct. There's 3 (plural) at least. More if you add in the Chinese and Russian ones. None available" They are in Russia and China | |||
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"Not sure there is a vaccine And I’m not sure why any of us post responses to your ill thought out ‘threads’ having just read the Maradona thread I think you just post things to get a response, reaction or more likely a bit of attention. I guess I’m just as guilty of reacting but only ask the question why YOU don’t think there is a vaccine? If you do answer you have my word I will read it but I won’t grave your reply with a further response " Well there is no vaccine available here is there | |||
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"Not sure there is a vaccine And I’m not sure why any of us post responses to your ill thought out ‘threads’ having just read the Maradona thread I think you just post things to get a response, reaction or more likely a bit of attention. I guess I’m just as guilty of reacting but only ask the question why YOU don’t think there is a vaccine? If you do answer you have my word I will read it but I won’t grave your reply with a further response Well there is no vaccine available here is there " No, but the overwhelming likelihood is that there will be soon. | |||
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"Im not sure what to make of the protection figures? How have they exposed people to the virus? Intentional exposure or just out there taking there chances the same as the rest of the population I imagine the people willing to take part in vaccine study are also the kind of people who stick to the guidance on avoiding Covid.. naturally lower risk than say half those on fab who are still actively meeting.. I could give 100 people a glass of milk and if none catch Covid by next week I could then claim it offered 100% protection " But there is a vaccine,honest.. And if you disagree then you are a witch... Bring on the witchfinder general... Is it 90% effective! Is it 70% effective Is it 50% effective If you don't take the vaccine then do only 50% catch it! Who knows ? | |||
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"Im not sure what to make of the protection figures? How have they exposed people to the virus? Intentional exposure or just out there taking there chances the same as the rest of the population I imagine the people willing to take part in vaccine study are also the kind of people who stick to the guidance on avoiding Covid.. naturally lower risk than say half those on fab who are still actively meeting.. I could give 100 people a glass of milk and if none catch Covid by next week I could then claim it offered 100% protection But there is a vaccine,honest.. And if you disagree then you are a witch... Bring on the witchfinder general... Is it 90% effective! Is it 70% effective Is it 50% effective If you don't take the vaccine then do only 50% catch it! Who knows ?" There certainly is a vaccine or rather there are several, if any of them offer close to the headline protection figures only time will test. | |||
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"Im not sure what to make of the protection figures? How have they exposed people to the virus? Intentional exposure or just out there taking there chances the same as the rest of the population I imagine the people willing to take part in vaccine study are also the kind of people who stick to the guidance on avoiding Covid.. naturally lower risk than say half those on fab who are still actively meeting.. I could give 100 people a glass of milk and if none catch Covid by next week I could then claim it offered 100% protection But there is a vaccine,honest.. And if you disagree then you are a witch... Bring on the witchfinder general... Is it 90% effective! Is it 70% effective Is it 50% effective If you don't take the vaccine then do only 50% catch it! Who knows ? There certainly is a vaccine or rather there are several, if any of them offer close to the headline protection figures only time will test." And none available.. | |||
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"Im not sure what to make of the protection figures? How have they exposed people to the virus? Intentional exposure or just out there taking there chances the same as the rest of the population I imagine the people willing to take part in vaccine study are also the kind of people who stick to the guidance on avoiding Covid.. naturally lower risk than say half those on fab who are still actively meeting.. I could give 100 people a glass of milk and if none catch Covid by next week I could then claim it offered 100% protection But there is a vaccine,honest.. And if you disagree then you are a witch... Bring on the witchfinder general... Is it 90% effective! Is it 70% effective Is it 50% effective If you don't take the vaccine then do only 50% catch it! Who knows ? There certainly is a vaccine or rather there are several, if any of them offer close to the headline protection figures only time will test. And none available.. " Plenty available, millions of doses, just not for you, me or your nan yet, must be in a evaluation trial | |||
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"Im not sure what to make of the protection figures? How have they exposed people to the virus? Intentional exposure or just out there taking there chances the same as the rest of the population I imagine the people willing to take part in vaccine study are also the kind of people who stick to the guidance on avoiding Covid.. naturally lower risk than say half those on fab who are still actively meeting.. I could give 100 people a glass of milk and if none catch Covid by next week I could then claim it offered 100% protection But there is a vaccine,honest.. And if you disagree then you are a witch... Bring on the witchfinder general... Is it 90% effective! Is it 70% effective Is it 50% effective If you don't take the vaccine then do only 50% catch it! Who knows ?" Read the actual vaccine trial results when they published Tom. Any conjecture how this, that or the other was done is wasted conjectute. At worst, it undermines confidence and optimism that people have. If we want certainty, it requires a little patience. Tens of thousands of people recruited worldwide is a great achievement, including all of the regular monitorings of their health. | |||
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"Does anyone else feel like we're in Groundhog Day here?
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It's what happens when conspiracy theorists have their bubbles burst... "Everybody has theories, including you, nobody is 'conspiring' on here, we are just scared and confused because we might think our loved ones could die, let people voice their opinions and thoughts without judgement | |||
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"In science, the definition of a theory is: A plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena. Much of what is written on this forum is neither plausible nor scientifically acceptable. Theory is not the same as "random opining from the perspective of zero knowledge/data/experience". That would be speculation." I don't think that random opining even counts as speculation. It's more like just making up shit. | |||
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"Im not sure what to make of the protection figures? How have they exposed people to the virus? Intentional exposure or just out there taking there chances the same as the rest of the population I imagine the people willing to take part in vaccine study are also the kind of people who stick to the guidance on avoiding Covid.. naturally lower risk than say half those on fab who are still actively meeting.. I could give 100 people a glass of milk and if none catch Covid by next week I could then claim it offered 100% protection But there is a vaccine,honest.. And if you disagree then you are a witch... Bring on the witchfinder general... Is it 90% effective! Is it 70% effective Is it 50% effective If you don't take the vaccine then do only 50% catch it! Who knows ?" What does that even mean
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"Some poll saying only about half of us will take it " Facebook or Talk Radio? | |||
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"Im not sure what to make of the protection figures? How have they exposed people to the virus? Intentional exposure or just out there taking there chances the same as the rest of the population I imagine the people willing to take part in vaccine study are also the kind of people who stick to the guidance on avoiding Covid.. naturally lower risk than say half those on fab who are still actively meeting.. I could give 100 people a glass of milk and if none catch Covid by next week I could then claim it offered 100% protection But there is a vaccine,honest.. And if you disagree then you are a witch... Bring on the witchfinder general... Is it 90% effective! Is it 70% effective Is it 50% effective If you don't take the vaccine then do only 50% catch it! Who knows ? What does that even mean
The information is there, most people can understand"
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" Vaccines are starting next week in USA. front line workers first, high risk and elderly next. Then the general population. Hope the vaccine works, getting sick of these lockdowns and people dying from this China Virus. " Vaccination planned for 10 days time in the UK. Licensing has to happen here first for each of them. Sars - cov 2 is going to be treated by all 3 here, I think, when approvals are given, following detailed analysis of the trials results. | |||
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" Who's the peer reviewer? "Obviously Karen off Facebook | |||
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"It baffles me why so many people argue about a vaccine's effectiveness on a swingers site.at the end of the day it has been developed by some very clever scientists with probably more intelligence than all of us on here, has not passed licensing for use and if you don t want it you don t have to have it. But i for one will have it if only to protect my family and friends from the virus. ps i have just tested possitive for covid 19 am isolating from my family and am still going to accept a shot if offered John" Didn't you know this is where all the experts come for advice and opinions ? The combined knowledge shared on fab is massive Almost as much as your average primary school We'll be in the queue for vaccine | |||
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"Appareny the American one is 94% effective and the British one that costs a quid could be as low as 60%. Guess what's coming out way... Endorsed by celebrities of course.." The government has already bought millions of doses of several vaccines... no need to guess | |||
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"Appareny the American one is 94% effective and the British one that costs a quid could be as low as 60%. Guess what's coming out way... Endorsed by celebrities of course.. The government has already bought millions of doses of several vaccines... no need to guess "Yes .. the best one for our Lords and Masters and the budget one for the plebs.. The rollout of the expensive one will begin in hospitals and surgeries very soon. The budget one, enforced by social media influencers from Love Island, will start next Easter and probably will be offered at Aldi and Lidl.. one stop shopping | |||
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" Yes .. the best one for our Lords and Masters and the budget one for the plebs.. The rollout of the expensive one will begin in hospitals and surgeries very soon. The budget one, enforced by social media influencers from Love Island, will start next Easter and probably will be offered at Aldi and Lidl.. one stop shopping " This is presumably based on your impeccably accurate inside knowledge, your world class immunology expertise and your renowned insight. | |||
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"Appareny the American one is 94% effective and the British one that costs a quid could be as low as 60%. Guess what's coming out way... Endorsed by celebrities of course.. The government has already bought millions of doses of several vaccines... no need to guess "Well they ordered literally tons of PPE. It either didn't turn up, turned up too late or turned up and was not fit to be used.. | |||
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"Appareny the American one is 94% effective and the British one that costs a quid could be as low as 60%. Guess what's coming out way... Endorsed by celebrities of course.. The government has already bought millions of doses of several vaccines... no need to guess
Well they ordered literally tons of PPE. It either didn't turn up, turned up too late or turned up and was not fit to be used..
"The major difference being that these laboratiries are well established and known businesses rather than MPs crooked mates out to make a quick buck. Face facts, the reality is that there's a vaccine coming wether you like or agree with it or not. | |||
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"I hope the moderators will crack down on any anti vaccine nonsense. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need people turning away from treatment because their best friend's mum read a rumour on Facebook about microchips and replacing the bird's batteries. " | |||
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"I hope the moderators will crack down on any anti vaccine nonsense. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need people turning away from treatment because their best friend's mum read a rumour on Facebook about microchips and replacing the bird's batteries. " The best time to plant a tree was 50 years ago, the second best time is tomorrow. | |||
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"I hope the moderators will crack down on any anti vaccine nonsense. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need people turning away from treatment because their best friend's mum read a rumour on Facebook about microchips and replacing the bird's batteries. " What else should they crack down on? Free speech Dissenting voices Barebackers Brexiteers The New World Order Beckons | |||
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"I hope the moderators will crack down on any anti vaccine nonsense. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need people turning away from treatment because their best friend's mum read a rumour on Facebook about microchips and replacing the bird's batteries. What else should they crack down on? Free speech Dissenting voices Barebackers Brexiteers The New World Order Beckons " The New World Order? That is hysterical | |||
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"I hope the moderators will crack down on any anti vaccine nonsense. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need people turning away from treatment because their best friend's mum read a rumour on Facebook about microchips and replacing the bird's batteries. What else should they crack down on? Free speech Dissenting voices Barebackers Brexiteers The New World Order Beckons " Yawn, you shouldn't yell bomb at an airport and it's a stupid "free speech" hill to die. We're talking about a medical intervention here that could save thousands of lives. Small pox has been eliminated from the human population, this was done through a decade of hard work. Polio, whooping cough and mumps are also a thing of the past due to effective vaccination. Although I could say, WAS a thing of the past because the rise of misinformation through Facebook groups has lead to a resurrection of these disease in place like America. No one is surprising free speech you're just not allowed to spread lies. Vaccines work. This isn't an opinion. | |||
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"I hope the moderators will crack down on any anti vaccine nonsense. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need people turning away from treatment because their best friend's mum read a rumour on Facebook about microchips and replacing the bird's batteries. What else should they crack down on? Free speech Dissenting voices Barebackers Brexiteers The New World Order Beckons Yawn, you shouldn't yell bomb at an airport and it's a stupid "free speech" hill to die. We're talking about a medical intervention here that could save thousands of lives. Small pox has been eliminated from the human population, this was done through a decade of hard work. Polio, whooping cough and mumps are also a thing of the past due to effective vaccination. Although I could say, WAS a thing of the past because the rise of misinformation through Facebook groups has lead to a resurrection of these disease in place like America. No one is surprising free speech you're just not allowed to spread lies. Vaccines work. This isn't an opinion. " I like your optimism..trample anyone in your path citizen... | |||
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"I hope the moderators will crack down on any anti vaccine nonsense. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need people turning away from treatment because their best friend's mum read a rumour on Facebook about microchips and replacing the bird's batteries. What else should they crack down on? Free speech Dissenting voices Barebackers Brexiteers The New World Order Beckons Yawn, you shouldn't yell bomb at an airport and it's a stupid "free speech" hill to die. We're talking about a medical intervention here that could save thousands of lives. Small pox has been eliminated from the human population, this was done through a decade of hard work. Polio, whooping cough and mumps are also a thing of the past due to effective vaccination. Although I could say, WAS a thing of the past because the rise of misinformation through Facebook groups has lead to a resurrection of these disease in place like America. No one is surprising free speech you're just not allowed to spread lies. Vaccines work. This isn't an opinion. I like your optimism..trample anyone in your path citizen..." Or vaccines have worked to date ? | |||
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"I hope the moderators will crack down on any anti vaccine nonsense. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need people turning away from treatment because their best friend's mum read a rumour on Facebook about microchips and replacing the bird's batteries. What else should they crack down on? Free speech Dissenting voices Barebackers Brexiteers The New World Order Beckons The New World Order? That is hysterical "It will come my friend if you are not enlightened | |||
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"I hope the moderators will crack down on any anti vaccine nonsense. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need people turning away from treatment because their best friend's mum read a rumour on Facebook about microchips and replacing the bird's batteries. What else should they crack down on? Free speech Dissenting voices Barebackers Brexiteers The New World Order Beckons Yawn, you shouldn't yell bomb at an airport and it's a stupid "free speech" hill to die. We're talking about a medical intervention here that could save thousands of lives. Small pox has been eliminated from the human population, this was done through a decade of hard work. Polio, whooping cough and mumps are also a thing of the past due to effective vaccination. Although I could say, WAS a thing of the past because the rise of misinformation through Facebook groups has lead to a resurrection of these disease in place like America. No one is surprising free speech you're just not allowed to spread lies. Vaccines work. This isn't an opinion. " Just out of interest citizen.. did you take part in the trials? Would you have if you had the opportunity Or having missed the trials, are you now happy to take it now you believe it's safe ? | |||
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" Just out of interest citizen.. did you take part in the trials? Would you have if you had the opportunity Or having missed the trials, are you now happy to take it now you believe it's safe ? " I did not. I would but assume I'd be excluded for recreational drug use. I'll take any of the vaccines as soon as I'm able to and will encourage friends and family to do the same. | |||
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" Just out of interest citizen.. did you take part in the trials? Would you have if you had the opportunity Or having missed the trials, are you now happy to take it now you believe it's safe ? I did not. I would but assume I'd be excluded for recreational drug use. I'll take any of the vaccines as soon as I'm able to and will encourage friends and family to do the same. " You take recreational drugs ? | |||
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"I hope the moderators will crack down on any anti vaccine nonsense. We're in the middle of a pandemic, we don't need people turning away from treatment because their best friend's mum read a rumour on Facebook about microchips and replacing the bird's batteries. What else should they crack down on? Free speech Dissenting voices Barebackers Brexiteers The New World Order Beckons The New World Order? That is hysterical
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Oh go on.. try 90 seconds.. I dare you "You mean twice as long as your prophesies last... | |||
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"At least as long as your wit and intell.. a split second then.. " My intell...? | |||
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"Isn't it amazing what scientists can develop. All vaccine candidates well past the standard asked of them, good safety profiles so far. We owe our lives to modern medicine and I'm very grateful "Absofuckinglutely.
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"Isn't it amazing what scientists can develop. All vaccine candidates well past the standard asked of them, good safety profiles so far. We owe our lives to modern medicine and I'm very grateful
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It'll be interesting to see what they can do with this technology in the future. "More vaccines? Definitely interested in getting rid of any number of diseases. Human innovation is magnificent | |||
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"Isn't it amazing what scientists can develop. All vaccine candidates well past the standard asked of them, good safety profiles so far. We owe our lives to modern medicine and I'm very grateful
Absofuckinglutely.
It'll be interesting to see what they can do with this technology in the future.
More vaccines? Definitely interested in getting rid of any number of diseases. Human innovation is magnificent"Doubt we'll ever see this sort of speed again because the rigmarole about getting funding will slow things down again, but one can hope. My limited understanding is that the technology was originally for cancer research, so perhaps it'll stimulate that. | |||
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