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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time "If only that were legally possible  | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time
If only that were legally possible
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss! "It's not an accurate comparison. If memory serves - philosophy PhD's check me on this - I think that, in philosophy this would be termed a "category error"... Reframe the question. | |||
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"if a person chooses not to have the vaccine thats theyre right and choice as long as they understand that others have the choice and right to exclude them from any place or activity they control or manage be that a concert stadium job transport or location etc " So simple, what about the people who are advised not to get vaccinations on medical advice. Don't know about the covid vaccines but most other vaccines have to be avoided by various groups of people for various reasons | |||
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"if a person chooses not to have the vaccine thats theyre right and choice as long as they understand that others have the choice and right to exclude them from any place or activity they control or manage be that a concert stadium job transport or location etc So simple, what about the people who are advised not to get vaccinations on medical advice. Don't know about the covid vaccines but most other vaccines have to be avoided by various groups of people for various reasons" Then they would be exempt and I am sure they will appreciate everyone else getting the vaccine instead to keep them safe | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time
If only that were legally possible
Yes I would do this x"Well, I hope you have very extensive private medical insurance... I also hope you carry a card saying you opt out of being taken to an NHS hospital in an emergency... But something tells me that when your life is on the line, you won't care who saves your life. | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time
If only that were legally possible
Yes I would do this x
Well, I hope you have very extensive private medical insurance...
I also hope you carry a card saying you opt out of being taken to an NHS hospital in an emergency...
But something tells me that when your life is on the line, you won't care who saves your life."It said opt out of the nhs for covid treatment. Read posts before you post gibberish lol | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time
If only that were legally possible
Yes I would do this x
Well, I hope you have very extensive private medical insurance...
I also hope you carry a card saying you opt out of being taken to an NHS hospital in an emergency...
But something tells me that when your life is on the line, you won't care who saves your life.
It said opt out of the nhs for covid treatment.
Read posts before you post gibberish lol
"Please show me how someone opts out of NHS. Take some of your own advice please, and read what I posted before talking gibberish  | |||
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"I don't see connection between antivaxxers and bareback lovers?? " Both are frowned apon by many for their contempt of the safety of others | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time
If only that were legally possible
Yes I would do this x
Well, I hope you have very extensive private medical insurance...
I also hope you carry a card saying you opt out of being taken to an NHS hospital in an emergency...
But something tells me that when your life is on the line, you won't care who saves your life."There lol read what the guy said then what you posted. | |||
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"Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly. I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on the governments etc, you never know? " Amen | |||
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"Is this still Fabswingers, or has it been changed to Fascistswingers? Whatever happened to freedom of choice in this country? Some of you need to get lives" Who said you can’t have freedom of choice ? | |||
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"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???" Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though | |||
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"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer??? Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though " There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies. | |||
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"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer??? Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies." What do you mean ‘taking control of peoples bodies’ ? | |||
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"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer??? Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies. What do you mean ‘taking control of peoples bodies’ ?" Invasion of the body snatchers | |||
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"Anti vaxxers ? New barebackers ? Definitely ! Fuck 'em ! But not physically of course! " | |||
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"We are not anti vaxers but wont be having the Jab anytime soon. We would rather wait to see if there are any long term side effects before jumping in, its not been tried and tested enough for our liking. " No no no! U cant do that, people will say your a conspiricy theorist, and your 'waiting for trump to save u from the baby eating nwo'. How dare you ? U must go right ahead and put that untried untested never before heard off 'vaccine' straight in your body because the sun, bbc and sky news, oh and people on here tell you that you must! | |||
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"We are not anti vaxers but wont be having the Jab anytime soon. We would rather wait to see if there are any long term side effects before jumping in, its not been tried and tested enough for our liking. No no no! U cant do that, people will say your a conspiricy theorist, and your 'waiting for trump to save u from the baby eating nwo'. How dare you ? U must go right ahead and put that untried untested never before heard off 'vaccine' straight in your body because the sun, bbc and sky news, oh and people on here tell you that you must! "Untried? Untested vaccine?? | |||
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"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer???" Yes, have you only just realised this? | |||
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss! "Bit easier to tell bareback sex to anti vaccine sex. Do you put in your profile, only meet vaccinated people, please bring certificate. For us, meets will start again when we feel comfortable, not before. When will that be, not sure. | |||
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"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer??? Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies. What do you mean ‘taking control of peoples bodies’ ?" That a person may only resume a semi normal life if they are forced to consent to having a certain alteration to their body, irrespective of their wishes. | |||
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"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer??? Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies. What do you mean ‘taking control of peoples bodies’ ? That a person may only resume a semi normal life if they are forced to consent to having a certain alteration to their body, irrespective of their wishes." Alteration to their body? Why would anyone want to do this if it wasn’t beneficial to themselves and to society in general ? | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time
If only that were legally possible
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"So, is anybody who rejects the vaccine on legitimate safety or ethical grounds now an anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nut/granny killer??? Nope, nobody is going to be forced into having a vaccine, it might affect your holiday and leisure options though There are other ways than the State taking control of people's bodies. What do you mean ‘taking control of peoples bodies’ ? That a person may only resume a semi normal life if they are forced to consent to having a certain alteration to their body, irrespective of their wishes. Alteration to their body? Why would anyone want to do this if it wasn’t beneficial to themselves and to society in general ? " A lot of people have concerns about potential side effects or the safety of the vaccine given that around 10 years of work has been condensed into 10 months. There are also some who may object on ethical grounds (those against animal testing for example). | |||
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" A lot of people have concerns about potential side effects or the safety of the vaccine given that around 10 years of work has been condensed into 10 months. There are also some who may object on ethical grounds (those against animal testing for example). " Oh the ten year thing again. I thought that had been explained quite adequately, repeatedly. The testing seems to have been on humans more than animals, so don't really see that holding much water either. | |||
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" A lot of people have concerns about potential side effects or the safety of the vaccine given that around 10 years of work has been condensed into 10 months. There are also some who may object on ethical grounds (those against animal testing for example). Oh the ten year thing again. I thought that had been explained quite adequately, repeatedly. The testing seems to have been on humans more than animals, so don't really see that holding much water either." Concern over longer term effects? It's a brand new "wonder" drug, it's inevitable some will be cautious or sceptical. Also, some are very hard line in their beliefs and ethics. Any testing involving on animals will be an instant red flag. | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time
If only that were legally possible
Are we including withdrawing nhs treatment for smokers and drinkers."Smoking and drinking isn’t a virus that could easily spread through the country. Smoking and drinking is a choice that only hurts those doing it. If you have a gin, it won’t kill someone else. | |||
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss! "I dont think thats very fair saying that now | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time
If only that were legally possible
Are we including withdrawing nhs treatment for smokers and drinkers.
Smoking and drinking isn’t a virus that could easily spread through the country. Smoking and drinking is a choice that only hurts those doing it. If you have a gin, it won’t kill someone else. "Drink driving? Domestic Violence? | |||
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"Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly. I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on the governments etc, you never know? " Indeed. The safety regulations that were introduced as a result of the thalidomide disaster have been vital in preventing a repeat of that. Yet the same rigour is not being applied in the race to approve any COVID vaccine. And they know it. That’s why the government was/is seeking to exempt the vaccine developers from any liability resulting from any adverse outcomes. If everything was above board, there would be no need for a get out clause would there? | |||
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"At this point in time to be perfectly frank my motivation for not getting the vaccine; at least not to begin with; are shifting. Initially I was against it because I'm not keen on trusting the people who tout the "opportunities for a great reset" that Covid brings as they walk menacingly towards me with an experimental cocktail in a hypodermic. Now, to be honest the fact that it pisses off so many of the kinds of people performing like wind up dolls in threads like this is fast becoming a far more positive motivation. If we can just find a way to turn sanctimonious smugness into heat, we will have finally cracked the energy crisis..." Wonderful. Eloquence, wit and intelligence at it's finest | |||
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" A lot of people have concerns about potential side effects or the safety of the vaccine given that around 10 years of work has been condensed into 10 months. There are also some who may object on ethical grounds (those against animal testing for example). Oh the ten year thing again. I thought that had been explained quite adequately, repeatedly. The testing seems to have been on humans more than animals, so don't really see that holding much water either. Concern over longer term effects? It's a brand new "wonder" drug, it's inevitable some will be cautious or sceptical. Also, some are very hard line in their beliefs and ethics. Any testing involving on animals will be an instant red flag." Alot of work on this vaccine took place almost 20 years ago with SARS and MERS. That combined with the fact it was sequenced quickly and unprecedented amounts of money and time devoted have been devoted to it. | |||
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"Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly. I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on the governments etc, you never know? Indeed. The safety regulations that were introduced as a result of the thalidomide disaster have been vital in preventing a repeat of that. Yet the same rigour is not being applied in the race to approve any COVID vaccine. And they know it. That’s why the government was/is seeking to exempt the vaccine developers from any liability resulting from any adverse outcomes. If everything was above board, there would be no need for a get out clause would there? " Firstly thalidomide is not a vaccine. It happened about 50 years ago science has progressed an awful lot, thalidomide was a chirality problem. Vaccine manufacturers can still be sued just not in all circumstances. The same rigor is being applied for this vaccine as any other drugs or vaccine. Having been involved in licencing drugs, not vaccines, the past the main things that slow licencing is lack of money resources or will. None of these are lacking in this case. | |||
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"Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly. I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on the governments etc, you never know? Indeed. The safety regulations that were introduced as a result of the thalidomide disaster have been vital in preventing a repeat of that. Yet the same rigour is not being applied in the race to approve any COVID vaccine. And they know it. That’s why the government was/is seeking to exempt the vaccine developers from any liability resulting from any adverse outcomes. If everything was above board, there would be no need for a get out clause would there? Firstly thalidomide is not a vaccine. It happened about 50 years ago science has progressed an awful lot, thalidomide was a chirality problem. Vaccine manufacturers can still be sued just not in all circumstances. The same rigor is being applied for this vaccine as any other drugs or vaccine. Having been involved in licencing drugs, not vaccines, the past the main things that slow licencing is lack of money resources or will. None of these are lacking in this case." Bet your life on that would you? There are a fair few with a rather close up view of what is (and isn’t) happening on the trial front who wouldn’t be so sure I think... Someone I know at one of the participating sites, who is experienced in the organization and delivery of clinical trials, and who worked on delivery of this, described the Oxford team as shambolic: "one of the worst teams we have ever worked with - startlingly so". | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time "Don’t stop there, you could exclude most of the population from nhs treatment for their lifestyle choices! Then they who haven’t sinned will be able to cast their stones. Let’s not be hysterical | |||
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"Feel free to look up the recently published lancet article with findings from the phase 2/3 trial of the Oxford vaccine outlining the nonsensical design of their study Before we even get onto their findings, it’s comparator groups are inexplicably unevenly weighted Between May 30 and Aug 8, 2020, 560 participants were enrolled: 160 aged 18–55 years (100 assigned to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, 60 assigned to MenACWY), Why not 80 novel vaccine: 80 control vaccine 160 aged 56–69 years (120 assigned to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19: 40 assigned to MenACWY), Why not 60 novel vaccine: 60 control vaccine and 240 aged 70 years and older (200 assigned to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19: 40 assigned to MenACWY). Why not 100 novel vaccine: 100 control vaccine If they can’t even get the basic maths right at the outset, what’s the point going any further? Let’s not even get into the wisdom of the control group being given another vaccine in place of the typical placebo ... even an empty vector would’ve been better! I’ve honestly never known any trial to test a novel vaccine against another vaccine. " You're asking us these questions but don't pose any potential solutions. It isn't always necessary to have equal numbers of participants at every stage of a trial. There are also practical considerations to take account of too. Using a vaccine that may produce some side effects as the control condition, instead of an inert substance, does have some value. It makes it harder for participants to be able to guess whether they really got the new vaccine or not. This could mean that both groups could benefit from an equivalent placebo effect level, due to belief in it working. There are other benefits too. | |||
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"I am anti vax and I don't care what you think. I am sick and tired of seeing people that are anti vax getting slandered on Facebook, twitter et al. We have good reason to feel this way and simply attacking us or bad mouthing us is not going to change our minds. We will not be silenced. I for sure will never have another one again. No chance, I don't care what you say to try and convince me, I've fallen for that trap too many times before. They are the absolutely worst brand of vacuum cleaner. Henry Hoover all the way for me!" What he said | |||
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"So question for the anti vaxers. What exactly do you think is the solution to the virus then? What do you think the government should have done, not produce a vacation and just let people keep dying indefinitely? Or test the vaccine for the next 10-20 year's to wait and see what long term side effects may happen. Then release the vaccine? How many deaths is acceptable against the possibility of side effects? Do you honestly believe that the government would knowingly vaccinate millions and millions of people knowing that it is going to harm them, if so what benefit would it. Please answer my questions. Also It's going to be 100% certain that people are going to have a reaction to the vaccine and yes there may be people who have severe reactions and sadly die, it's the law of averages given the amount of people being vaccinated. But oh god won't we just hear about it , ignoring the thou_ands upon thou_ands if not hundreds of thou_ands who will live due to the vaccine. Every medication out there usually comes with a huge list of potential side effects, it's being logical and analytical weighing up the risks of the possible side effects against the very real risks when one has covid. So ponder on this anti vaxer Who's saying I don't care I'll take my chances with covid,I'm a young and healthy 35 year old I'll be fine. Ok perhaps you will in which case brilliant much like the many millions of people who get flu every year and recover and they are fine. However what about when you get to 50 or 60, suddenly your not so young and healthy and you get covid? Maybe this time you won't be so lucky? Would you still be against the vaccine? Speaking as someone who has recently had covid and was very very sick and weeks on struggling to live a normal life, trust me I will be first in the queue for the vaccine. I hope you all have long healthy lives and same for your families and hopefully your choice not to be vaccinated is a good one but I equally hope that you don't regret it and you or a member of your family become unwell or worse as a result of not having vaccine. Because trust me, it's not just about being sick for a few days for many countless people this virus is going to be a life altering thing. Finally It's your choice as it's mine too have it but are you making the decision based on sound scientific evidence or as I suspect with many it's to be different and a finger up to the establishment?" Excellent post. Wishing you well in your continued recovery. | |||
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"At this point in time to be perfectly frank my motivation for not getting the vaccine; at least not to begin with; are shifting. Initially I was against it because I'm not keen on trusting the people who tout the "opportunities for a great reset" that Covid brings as they walk menacingly towards me with an experimental cocktail in a hypodermic. Now, to be honest the fact that it pisses off so many of the kinds of people performing like wind up dolls in threads like this is fast becoming a far more positive motivation. If we can just find a way to turn sanctimonious smugness into heat, we will have finally cracked the energy crisis..." So your main source of motivation for not being vaccinated now is because it pisses the sanctimoniously smug off? And originally it was because of the ‘great reset’ conspiracy? | |||
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"I am anti vax and I don't care what you think. I am sick and tired of seeing people that are anti vax getting slandered on Facebook, twitter et al. We have good reason to feel this way and simply attacking us or bad mouthing us is not going to change our minds. We will not be silenced. I for sure will never have another one again. No chance, I don't care what you say to try and convince me, I've fallen for that trap too many times before. They are the absolutely worst brand of vacuum cleaner. Henry Hoover all the way for me! What he said "What a sucker | |||
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss! "no comparison, the kung flu doesnt bother me, might do in later years, 80s.. | |||
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss! "Pro covid vaxxers are the new barebackers. In the same way barebacking has the risk of sti's, covid vax has the risk of side effects and unknown long term effects. Both are taking a risk on your health. | |||
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"Why is it assumed that people that don't want the covid vaccination are antivaxxers?! " Well? Are you an anti vaxxer? | |||
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"Why is it assumed that people that don't want the covid vaccination are antivaxxers?! Well? Are you an anti vaxxer? "No... My child had all of his as did I but I have never had a flu jab nor shall I be getting this one any time soon, I don't think... Not sure I would bd offered it yet anyway so... | |||
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"I'm all for vaccination, but there are just too many unknowns at present, especially given the timeframe these are being brought to mkt. Issue I have is if I want to travel, country I'm going to might insist on it, then a bit stuffed." I think it will become essential to prove you've had a course of vaccination before you're allowed to travel or allowed into another country country. Simplistic in my view...if you want a holiday and to travel then have the vaccination. If you don't have the vaccination, then don't bleat or moan that you cant have a foreign holiday or travel. Something tells me most of the anti-vaccine brigade will quickly change their minds if those circumstance's actually do arise. | |||
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"Why is it assumed that people that don't want the covid vaccination are antivaxxers?! " Because scapegoating makes the mobs lives so much simpler and convenient. | |||
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss!
Pro covid vaxxers are the new barebackers.
In the same way barebacking has the risk of sti's, covid vax has the risk of side effects and unknown long term effects.
Both are taking a risk on your health.
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss! "Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine. | |||
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"The problem I'm having with the 'vaccine' is how and why would they be working on a Covid 19 vaccination in January when nobody had heard of it till February and WHO didn't declare it a pandemic till later? How can you vaccinate against something you haven't got a sample of? Not one country has a sample of Covid 19 even now. What are they vaccinating against? Some say you'll have to carry a card to say you've been vaccinated. So, identity cards by the back door? Now, rejected dozens of times previously but now the majority of people want this identity card and vilify others that haven't got one. I can foresee a new black market trade in snide vaccination cards. Alternatively, a trace in the vaccination to know whether you've had the vaccine or not. " Well said, just what I thought too | |||
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"At this point in time to be perfectly frank my motivation for not getting the vaccine; at least not to begin with; are shifting. Initially I was against it because I'm not keen on trusting the people who tout the "opportunities for a great reset" that Covid brings as they walk menacingly towards me with an experimental cocktail in a hypodermic. Now, to be honest the fact that it pisses off so many of the kinds of people performing like wind up dolls in threads like this is fast becoming a far more positive motivation. If we can just find a way to turn sanctimonious smugness into heat, we will have finally cracked the energy crisis... So your main source of motivation for not being vaccinated now is because it pisses the sanctimoniously smug off? And originally it was because of the ‘great reset’ conspiracy?" Oh it's both, but right now I'm choosing to lift up the positive motivation of pissing people like you off higher than the motivation of justified mistrust. You can call the great reset a conspiracy if you like; we all know your sort enjoy a thought terminating cliche; but it's the first conspiracy theory I've ever seen which has its own web pages published by the organisation of the original author of an actual book, advocated by that same global organisation which hosts world leaders annually; and at the same time has multiple of those leaders literally saying that they plan to take advantage of the opportunity of the same said "conspiracy theory" in public speeches. If it is a conspiracy, it's a really really incompetent one, because they can't stop talking about it. | |||
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss!
Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine. "That was back in the 1970's, so well over 40 years ago. Do you not imagine that things may have progressed just a little bit since then? | |||
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss!
Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine.
That was back in the 1970's, so well over 40 years ago.
Do you not imagine that things may have progressed just a little bit since then?
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss!
Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine.
That was back in the 1970's, so well over 40 years ago.
Do you not imagine that things may have progressed just a little bit since then?
"Maybe Maybe not Consider the track record of just one company say Pfizer 2004- reached a $60 million settlement of a class action law suit brought by users of a diabetes drug which was withdrawn after scores of patients died of acute liver failure Same year, agreed to suspend advertising for a medication relating to a Merck painkiller that was found to have dangerous side effects. The FOLLOWING year Pfizer admitted that a 1999(!) clinical trial had found that elderly patients taking the medication had a greatly elevated risk of heart problems In 2005, they withdrew another painkiller and announced they were setting aside $ 894 million to settle law suits relating to these two painkillers In 2009 they acquired the Wyeth company and inherited 14 pages of product liability cases including hormone therapy, childhood vaccines, antidepressant Effexor and contraceptive Norplant. their combination diet drug Fen-phen was withdrawn following reports that its use was linked to possibly fatal heart valve damage unleashing tens of thou_ands of lawsuits against the company. Excuse me if I don’t stand on the sidelines and cheer big pharma with a ra-ra-ra | |||
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss!
Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine.
That was back in the 1970's, so well over 40 years ago.
Do you not imagine that things may have progressed just a little bit since then?
Maybe
Maybe not
Consider the track record of just one company say Pfizer
2004- reached a $60 million settlement of a class action law suit brought by users of a diabetes drug which was withdrawn after scores of patients died of acute liver failure
Same year, agreed to suspend advertising for a medication relating to a Merck painkiller that was found to have dangerous side effects. The FOLLOWING year Pfizer admitted that a 1999(!) clinical trial had found that elderly patients taking the medication had a greatly elevated risk of heart problems
In 2005, they withdrew another painkiller and announced they were setting aside $ 894 million to settle law suits relating to these two painkillers
In 2009 they acquired the Wyeth company and inherited 14 pages of product liability cases including hormone therapy, childhood vaccines, antidepressant Effexor and contraceptive Norplant. their combination diet drug Fen-phen was withdrawn following reports that its use was linked to possibly fatal heart valve damage unleashing tens of thou_ands of lawsuits against the company.
Excuse me if I don’t stand on the sidelines and cheer big pharma with a ra-ra-ra "They don’t intend to profit from the drugs they make it just happens and they want us to get better so they never need to sell drugs again!!!! Please excuse my sarcasm and cynicism. | |||
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"The problem I'm having with the 'vaccine' is how and why would they be working on a Covid 19 vaccination in January when nobody had heard of it till February and WHO didn't declare it a pandemic till later? How can you vaccinate against something you haven't got a sample of? Not one country has a sample of Covid 19 even now. What are they vaccinating against? Some say you'll have to carry a card to say you've been vaccinated. So, identity cards by the back door? Now, rejected dozens of times previously but now the majority of people want this identity card and vilify others that haven't got one. I can foresee a new black market trade in snide vaccination cards. Alternatively, a trace in the vaccination to know whether you've had the vaccine or not. Well said, just what I thought too "Thank you | |||
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss! "It hasn't yet been shown that being vaccinated will stop people passing in the virus It has been shown that condoms will substantially reduce the risks of passing on STDs So ... No ... | |||
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"I think it will become essential to prove you've had a course of vaccination before you're allowed to travel or allowed into another country country. Simplistic in my view...if you want a holiday and to travel then have the vaccination. If you don't have the vaccination, then don't bleat or moan that you cant have a foreign holiday or travel. Something tells me most of the anti-vaccine brigade will quickly change their minds if those circumstance's actually do arise. Let's just see what the situation is rather than scaremongering. I certainly won't have a problem with anyone if they choose not to have a vaccination. If the vaccine is designed to prevent a person getting it then why would it concern those who have had the vaccination? Now, if 80% of any country takes up the vaccine then the 80% have absolutely nothing to worry about. The 20% are only putting themselves at risk so why would that prevent foreign travel? " So if you don’t have the vaccination your right to travel will be revoked! So the powers that be can control the borders when they really want to. | |||
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"I think it will become essential to prove you've had a course of vaccination before you're allowed to travel or allowed into another country country. Simplistic in my view...if you want a holiday and to travel then have the vaccination. If you don't have the vaccination, then don't bleat or moan that you cant have a foreign holiday or travel. Something tells me most of the anti-vaccine brigade will quickly change their minds if those circumstance's actually do arise. Let's just see what the situation is rather than scaremongering. I certainly won't have a problem with anyone if they choose not to have a vaccination. If the vaccine is designed to prevent a person getting it then why would it concern those who have had the vaccination? Now, if 80% of any country takes up the vaccine then the 80% have absolutely nothing to worry about. The 20% are only putting themselves at risk so why would that prevent foreign travel? So if you don’t have the vaccination your right to travel will be revoked! So the powers that be can control the borders when they really want to." Why will it? Where is your information from or is it your guesswork? Ah, hadn't realised you were the Head advisor to Boris | |||
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"I think it will become essential to prove you've had a course of vaccination before you're allowed to travel or allowed into another country country. Simplistic in my view...if you want a holiday and to travel then have the vaccination. If you don't have the vaccination, then don't bleat or moan that you cant have a foreign holiday or travel. Something tells me most of the anti-vaccine brigade will quickly change their minds if those circumstance's actually do arise. Let's just see what the situation is rather than scaremongering. I certainly won't have a problem with anyone if they choose not to have a vaccination. If the vaccine is designed to prevent a person getting it then why would it concern those who have had the vaccination? Now, if 80% of any country takes up the vaccine then the 80% have absolutely nothing to worry about. The 20% are only putting themselves at risk so why would that prevent foreign travel? So if you don’t have the vaccination your right to travel will be revoked! So the powers that be can control the borders when they really want to. Why will it? Where is your information from or is it your guesswork? Ah, hadn't realised you were the Head advisor to Boris " It’s my response to someone’s suggestion. Sorry I’ll just shut up, do as I’m told and not air my thoughts or opinions. Some people think restricting people based on whether they conform with the new normal is a good idea, I personally don’t. | |||
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"Probably contrary but methinks yes! Bareback, antivax - their bodies, their choice. And both sets of people will receive treatment on the nhs if there are consequences whatever anyone else may think. Said consequences may be worse in the case of covid as that can impact others around them (which is kinda like smoking - another contrary opinion lol) while barebackers only affect those who consent to have sex with them. You also won't know with either unless they are open/honest about it! "Smokers pay a ridiculous amount of tax so is a totally different argument. And the amount of smokers that pay this tax dont need treating for smoke related illness, so it pays for itself. Unlike all the divs that spend time on sunbeds and then need skin treatment for the after effects | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie" Tell that to the dead. | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie" If your saying you've no symptoms after that time then Google 'asymptomatic'.. Actually what are you saying? | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. " Don't get me wrong and I'm not saying one way or another but that's 1.5 million that died WITH Covid not because of. I appreciate its around 55,000 in this country but there are absolutely no figures produced for other deaths. We normally lose 25,000 a year to sepsis alone, then there's cancer, dementia, heart failure, pneumonia, flu, raid accidents etc. The was a road traffic accident where a passenger died instantly because of their injuries but because they had Covid within the previous 28 days, it's counted as a Covid death Covid had absolutely nothing to do with the fatal injury. Covid and flu are now combined so someone may die of flu but it will go onto the Covid figures | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. Don't get me wrong and I'm not saying one way or another but that's 1.5 million that died WITH Covid not because of. I appreciate its around 55,000 in this country but there are absolutely no figures produced for other deaths. We normally lose 25,000 a year to sepsis alone, then there's cancer, dementia, heart failure, pneumonia, flu, raid accidents etc. The was a road traffic accident where a passenger died instantly because of their injuries but because they had Covid within the previous 28 days, it's counted as a Covid death Covid had absolutely nothing to do with the fatal injury. Covid and flu are now combined so someone may die of flu but it will go onto the Covid figures " When will the news give us daily updates for the numbers of people diagnosed with other illnesses? | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. Don't get me wrong and I'm not saying one way or another but that's 1.5 million that died WITH Covid not because of. I appreciate its around 55,000 in this country but there are absolutely no figures produced for other deaths. We normally lose 25,000 a year to sepsis alone, then there's cancer, dementia, heart failure, pneumonia, flu, raid accidents etc. The was a road traffic accident where a passenger died instantly because of their injuries but because they had Covid within the previous 28 days, it's counted as a Covid death Covid had absolutely nothing to do with the fatal injury. Covid and flu are now combined so someone may die of flu but it will go onto the Covid figures When will the news give us daily updates for the numbers of people diagnosed with other illnesses?" They won't and never have done. Why would they? | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. Don't get me wrong and I'm not saying one way or another but that's 1.5 million that died WITH Covid not because of. I appreciate its around 55,000 in this country but there are absolutely no figures produced for other deaths. We normally lose 25,000 a year to sepsis alone, then there's cancer, dementia, heart failure, pneumonia, flu, raid accidents etc. The was a road traffic accident where a passenger died instantly because of their injuries but because they had Covid within the previous 28 days, it's counted as a Covid death Covid had absolutely nothing to do with the fatal injury. Covid and flu are now combined so someone may die of flu but it will go onto the Covid figures When will the news give us daily updates for the numbers of people diagnosed with other illnesses?" Cos it would be a long fucking news? | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. Don't get me wrong and I'm not saying one way or another but that's 1.5 million that died WITH Covid not because of. I appreciate its around 55,000 in this country but there are absolutely no figures produced for other deaths. We normally lose 25,000 a year to sepsis alone, then there's cancer, dementia, heart failure, pneumonia, flu, raid accidents etc. The was a road traffic accident where a passenger died instantly because of their injuries but because they had Covid within the previous 28 days, it's counted as a Covid death Covid had absolutely nothing to do with the fatal injury. Covid and flu are now combined so someone may die of flu but it will go onto the Covid figures When will the news give us daily updates for the numbers of people diagnosed with other illnesses? They won't and never have done. Why would they? " That’s what I thought but then I also thought; Why would they with this one? | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. Don't get me wrong and I'm not saying one way or another but that's 1.5 million that died WITH Covid not because of. I appreciate its around 55,000 in this country but there are absolutely no figures produced for other deaths. We normally lose 25,000 a year to sepsis alone, then there's cancer, dementia, heart failure, pneumonia, flu, raid accidents etc. The was a road traffic accident where a passenger died instantly because of their injuries but because they had Covid within the previous 28 days, it's counted as a Covid death Covid had absolutely nothing to do with the fatal injury. Covid and flu are now combined so someone may die of flu but it will go onto the Covid figures When will the news give us daily updates for the numbers of people diagnosed with other illnesses? Cos it would be a long fucking news?" We have 24 hour news channels | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time "I have no problem with that as long as the obese, recreational drug users, alcoholics, extreme sportsmen/women or any risk taking activity are treated the same and are denied medical treatment (despite paying for it through taxes) because they made the personal choice to carry out that activity/life style. To deny someone personal choice over their own body or deny medical treatment is the beginning of the end! To force someone to take a medical procedure or penalise them for not taking it breaches International Law under the Nuremberg Code. The bottom line is, if you were 100% certain that the vaccine will work, you would not care if the bloke standing next to you had taken it or not. | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. Don't get me wrong and I'm not saying one way or another but that's 1.5 million that died WITH Covid not because of. I appreciate its around 55,000 in this country but there are absolutely no figures produced for other deaths. We normally lose 25,000 a year to sepsis alone, then there's cancer, dementia, heart failure, pneumonia, flu, raid accidents etc. The was a road traffic accident where a passenger died instantly because of their injuries but because they had Covid within the previous 28 days, it's counted as a Covid death Covid had absolutely nothing to do with the fatal injury. Covid and flu are now combined so someone may die of flu but it will go onto the Covid figures When will the news give us daily updates for the numbers of people diagnosed with other illnesses? Cos it would be a long fucking news? We have 24 hour news channels " So you want them to report that rupert down in Sussex has got a chesty cough and Susan down in Dorset has got a sore leg? | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. Don't get me wrong and I'm not saying one way or another but that's 1.5 million that died WITH Covid not because of. I appreciate its around 55,000 in this country but there are absolutely no figures produced for other deaths. We normally lose 25,000 a year to sepsis alone, then there's cancer, dementia, heart failure, pneumonia, flu, raid accidents etc. The was a road traffic accident where a passenger died instantly because of their injuries but because they had Covid within the previous 28 days, it's counted as a Covid death Covid had absolutely nothing to do with the fatal injury. Covid and flu are now combined so someone may die of flu but it will go onto the Covid figures When will the news give us daily updates for the numbers of people diagnosed with other illnesses? Cos it would be a long fucking news? We have 24 hour news channels So you want them to report that rupert down in Sussex has got a chesty cough and Susan down in Dorset has got a sore leg?" I don’t want them to and haven’t suggested anything of the sort, just enquiring when, which you have indirectly answered, cheers. It’s preposterous isn’t it. I’ll stop asking questions and do as I’m told like a good little boy and look forward to my vaccine in the new year. | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. " If it killed 1% of the world population there would be 78,000, 000 dead. So for a lot less than 1% we have destroyed the economy, business, liberty, created massive debt, bigger division than ever amongst the population and who knows what else is to come. | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. Don't get me wrong and I'm not saying one way or another but that's 1.5 million that died WITH Covid not because of. I appreciate its around 55,000 in this country but there are absolutely no figures produced for other deaths. We normally lose 25,000 a year to sepsis alone, then there's cancer, dementia, heart failure, pneumonia, flu, raid accidents etc. The was a road traffic accident where a passenger died instantly because of their injuries but because they had Covid within the previous 28 days, it's counted as a Covid death Covid had absolutely nothing to do with the fatal injury. Covid and flu are now combined so someone may die of flu but it will go onto the Covid figures When will the news give us daily updates for the numbers of people diagnosed with other illnesses? Cos it would be a long fucking news? We have 24 hour news channels So you want them to report that rupert down in Sussex has got a chesty cough and Susan down in Dorset has got a sore leg? I don’t want them to and haven’t suggested anything of the sort, just enquiring when, which you have indirectly answered, cheers. It’s preposterous isn’t it. I’ll stop asking questions and do as I’m told like a good little boy and look forward to my vaccine in the new year." Covid is a worldwide pandemic Of course they are going to report on it. | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. If it killed 1% of the world population there would be 78,000, 000 dead. So for a lot less than 1% we have destroyed the economy, business, liberty, created massive debt, bigger division than ever amongst the population and who knows what else is to come. " We were well on way to that before covid and even without the b word | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time
I have no problem with that as long as the obese, recreational drug users, alcoholics, extreme sportsmen/women or any risk taking activity are treated the same and are denied medical treatment (despite paying for it through taxes) because they made the personal choice to carry out that activity/life style.
To deny someone personal choice over their own body or deny medical treatment is the beginning of the end!
To force someone to take a medical procedure or penalise them for not taking it breaches International Law under the Nuremberg Code.
The bottom line is, if you were 100% certain that the vaccine will work, you would not care if the bloke standing next to you had taken it or not.
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"Nope, it's completely there body and there choice. How many people does the flu kill every year??????? And how many people get there yearly flu vacation to help save the population??? " From what I can see on the ons website...2019... 11 million approx by GP and 2 million approx by pharmacy... So 13million approx. | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. If it killed 1% of the world population there would be 78,000, 000 dead. So for a lot less than 1% we have destroyed the economy, business, liberty, created massive debt, bigger division than ever amongst the population and who knows what else is to come. We were well on way to that before covid and even without the b word" Unemployment and redundancy up by 4.8% since March,mental health cases up by 60%, same with rise in suicides would suggest that the cure is far worse than the virus. | |||
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"I don't see connection between antivaxxers and bareback lovers?? Both are frowned apon by many for their contempt of the safety of others" What a ridiculous statement, there is a huge difference! If someone wishes to play bareback with you, you can both still meet and socially without becoming infected. That is a very 1980s outlook dating to when hiv & aids had raised public awareness, most people are more educated about things these days. With regards to covid-19 only about 1.16% of the population of England have had covid so if one observes the guidelines there is little chance of being infected by someone who has not had the vaccine. | |||
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"Think it’s simple really! If you don’t want the vaccine, you should be able to opt out. But then you should also have to opt out of the NHS treatment for covid at the same time
If only that were legally possible
Are we including withdrawing nhs treatment for smokers and drinkers."If they stop having to bolster the state with the gross amounts of tax it seems fair | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. If it killed 1% of the world population there would be 78,000, 000 dead. So for a lot less than 1% we have destroyed the economy, business, liberty, created massive debt, bigger division than ever amongst the population and who knows what else is to come. " According to worldimeter it's killed 2.5% of those infected or around 1.5million What would be an estimated number to have died without the restrictions lockdowns ? 15 million ? 150 million ? | |||
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"I have just been exposed to the virus for 14 days..no mask no social distancing no sanitizer why the fuck do i need a vaccine. Wake up sheep it's a lie Really? So 1.5 million people are hiding and pretending they've died then are they? Must be a fucking big wardrobe. If it killed 1% of the world population there would be 78,000, 000 dead. So for a lot less than 1% we have destroyed the economy, business, liberty, created massive debt, bigger division than ever amongst the population and who knows what else is to come. We were well on way to that before covid and even without the b word Unemployment and redundancy up by 4.8% since March,mental health cases up by 60%, same with rise in suicides would suggest that the cure is far worse than the virus. " The unemployment, redundancy, mental health and suicide damage is a result of the virus and the leaders attempts to save the health of people and the economy. The cure - the vaccines - are very low cost, vy comparison. Without the first lockdown, the NHS would likely have been unable to cope with broader additional care needs and the death and infection levels would have been much, much higher. Survivors would have been rampant with long term disabilities and health impairments, which would have cost the economy dearly for decades. This thread - those who are antivaxx meeting and barebackers, poses the hypothetical question of further impacts on health and the economy between the 2. | |||
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"Are Antivaxxers the new Barebackers? Discuss!
Considering 18500 died from the rushed swine flu vaccine, I think people have every right to question this new and even more rushed vaccine. "Are we?, seems donks on here think we should roll up our sleeves and say "please sir". | |||
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"Just another one those shaming threads again from those who have no time to listen to another view point. Much like those who blame the government for covid spread rather than their own actions. People have either got very bored or they have very limited appreciation for difference which used to to surprise me before the pandemic but drawn out how judgemental many are on here. Genuinely think many fabber have started to shoot themselves in the foot." No one has ever blamed the gmnt for the virus being spread. What they have rightly done is question the handling of the pandemic from day 1. | |||
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"The irony of people not wanting a vaccine but filling themselves with alcohol at weekend and years back popping pills and LSD without a thought as too what was in it or what it would do to you "I've never done this have the odd glass of red wine now and then have never taken any substances ever! X | |||
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"The irony of people not wanting a vaccine but filling themselves with alcohol at weekend and years back popping pills and LSD without a thought as too what was in it or what it would do to you "Are they the same people? I don't know anyone who is antivax or lived like that before. | |||
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"if a person chooses not to have the vaccine thats theyre right and choice as long as they understand that others have the choice and right to exclude them from any place or activity they control or manage be that a concert stadium job transport or location etc So simple, what about the people who are advised not to get vaccinations on medical advice. Don't know about the covid vaccines but most other vaccines have to be avoided by various groups of people for various reasons" That's simple too. Vaccine compliance certification would work for those too, who comply within the limits of their medical ability | |||
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"The irony of people not wanting a vaccine but filling themselves with alcohol at weekend and years back popping pills and LSD without a thought as too what was in it or what it would do to you "wasnt forced to do that. | |||
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"Those who want it get it, those who don't want it they don't have it freedom of choice is a wonderful thing "not when it becomes mandatory. | |||
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"Those who want it get it, those who don't want it they don't have it freedom of choice is a wonderful thing
not when it becomes mandatory."It wont x | |||
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"The irony of people not wanting a vaccine but filling themselves with alcohol at weekend and years back popping pills and LSD without a thought as too what was in it or what it would do to you
I've never done this have the odd glass of red wine now and then have never taken any substances ever! X"Me too.. Think you're in a strange drug/drink filled bubble | |||
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"Those who want it get it, those who don't want it they don't have it freedom of choice is a wonderful thing
not when it becomes mandatory.
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"Those who want it get it, those who don't want it they don't have it freedom of choice is a wonderful thing
not when it becomes mandatory."It cannot be mandatory, we have to record consent for any procedure, the vaccine will be no different | |||
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"The irony of people not wanting a vaccine but filling themselves with alcohol at weekend and years back popping pills and LSD without a thought as too what was in it or what it would do to you "Sweeping statement much ? | |||
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"Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly. I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on the governments etc, you never know? " That wasn’t a vaccine. It was medicine to stop morning sickness and it took years to get it banned. I get your point though. | |||
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"Definitely not, a lot of people would remember, read about or even affected by the Thalidomide scandal and would be concerned about a vaccine being rush out quickly. I know times have changed but when there is large sums of money involved and pressure on the governments etc, you never know? That wasn’t a vaccine. It was medicine to stop morning sickness and it took years to get it banned. I get your point though. " Actually, it's never been banned and is still in use today. Unfortunately, one drug can often be prescribed for a number of different uses and Thalidomide was never designed to combat morning sickness - it was a 'useful' side effect that went tragically wrong. A vaccine has one use and one use only. | |||
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"To all anti vaxxers why stop at cv19...bring back all those other diseases that have been cured by jabs so you can enjoy them..shall we start with polio and work on from there...Your choice of course your right to enjoy ... measles, mumps, etc...have fun. " Think u find most that not having it are not anti vax but just not having this one! X | |||
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"I have friends who are both GPS, when talking to them about whether to have the vaccine or not they gave me some numbers. Between them they have 25 years experience as doctors. During that time they have never had a patient die as a result of having a vaccination. In the nine months since the start of the COVID pandemic more than 30 of there patients have died as a result of contracting COVID, 11 of those were UNDER 50! They already have over 50 patients suffering with severe after effects 3 months of more after 'recovering'. When I said yes but people do die from adverse reactions to vaccine they agreed but asked when was the last one I had heard of? So I suggested that this one was more risky as it was new - they agreed but pointed out that by the time I have the vaccination millions will have received it before and almost all adverse reactions to vaccination happen within a very short time so even if you don't believe in the testing (which they do) it will have been well and truly tested within a month or so of being introduced. " Mass test it by giving it to the millions of elderly, frail and most susceptible... Hmmm sounds a bit aldus Huxley! | |||
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"I have friends who are both GPS, when talking to them about whether to have the vaccine or not they gave me some numbers. Between them they have 25 years experience as doctors. During that time they have never had a patient die as a result of having a vaccination. In the nine months since the start of the COVID pandemic more than 30 of there patients have died as a result of contracting COVID, 11 of those were UNDER 50! They already have over 50 patients suffering with severe after effects 3 months of more after 'recovering'. When I said yes but people do die from adverse reactions to vaccine they agreed but asked when was the last one I had heard of? So I suggested that this one was more risky as it was new - they agreed but pointed out that by the time I have the vaccination millions will have received it before and almost all adverse reactions to vaccination happen within a very short time so even if you don't believe in the testing (which they do) it will have been well and truly tested within a month or so of being introduced. Mass test it by giving it to the millions of elderly, frail and most susceptible... Hmmm sounds a bit aldus Huxley! " The testing and independent validation of the results will be done before anyone receives the vaccine. The point I am making is that by the time most people receive the vaccine millions will have already received it and so if there are any side effects they will be very apparent and so any doubts about the safety of the vaccine will have either been dispelled or proven. Considering that these vaccines have already been trialled with tens of thou_ands of volunteers without any significant side affects for any of them though this already sounds much better than the 1 in 100 chance of dying if you get covid though ( or the prospect of passing it on to friends and family) even if you recover | |||
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"Where do Brexit views and the woke fit into all this?" Well they fit very well. Woke people are generally anti Brexit because they are post modernist, even if they don't realise. Since post modernism is an attempt at the re-invention of classical marxist doctrine such people love big government and dislike democracy. So of course such people will happily be injected with something that could seriously harm them if 'daddy government' tells them too and they think it's for the good of the 'collective'. | |||
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"Where do Brexit views and the woke fit into all this? Well they fit very well. Woke people are generally anti Brexit because they are post modernist, even if they don't realise. Since post modernism is an attempt at the re-invention of classical marxist doctrine such people love big government and dislike democracy. So of course such people will happily be injected with something that could seriously harm them if 'daddy government' tells them too and they think it's for the good of the 'collective'." You just threw a group of buzz words popularised by the alt-lite and hoped they would sound deep. | |||
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"I have friends who are both GPS, when talking to them about whether to have the vaccine or not they gave me some numbers. Between them they have 25 years experience as doctors. During that time they have never had a patient die as a result of having a vaccination. In the nine months since the start of the COVID pandemic more than 30 of there patients have died as a result of contracting COVID, 11 of those were UNDER 50! They already have over 50 patients suffering with severe after effects 3 months of more after 'recovering'. When I said yes but people do die from adverse reactions to vaccine they agreed but asked when was the last one I had heard of? So I suggested that this one was more risky as it was new - they agreed but pointed out that by the time I have the vaccination millions will have received it before and almost all adverse reactions to vaccination happen within a very short time so even if you don't believe in the testing (which they do) it will have been well and truly tested within a month or so of being introduced. Mass test it by giving it to the millions of elderly, frail and most susceptible... Hmmm sounds a bit aldus Huxley! The testing and independent validation of the results will be done before anyone receives the vaccine. The point I am making is that by the time most people receive the vaccine millions will have already received it and so if there are any side effects they will be very apparent and so any doubts about the safety of the vaccine will have either been dispelled or proven. Considering that these vaccines have already been trialled with tens of thou_ands of volunteers without any significant side affects for any of them though this already sounds much better than the 1 in 100 chance of dying if you get covid though ( or the prospect of passing it on to friends and family) even if you recover " Yes I was being a little bit facetious. However I'm not sure how many people have been in trials and how many have been over 85 for example or with those we have a new label for... The vulnerable. And normally if you were using a mass introduction to the population to confirm its bona fides.... You probably wouldn't start with the weakest group. In any case im sure "they" know a lot more about it with their colossal scientific brains than a fabsite waffler like me. | |||
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"Where do Brexit views and the woke fit into all this? Well they fit very well. Woke people are generally anti Brexit because they are post modernist, even if they don't realise. Since post modernism is an attempt at the re-invention of classical marxist doctrine such people love big government and dislike democracy. So of course such people will happily be injected with something that could seriously harm them if 'daddy government' tells them too and they think it's for the good of the 'collective'. You just threw a group of buzz words popularised by the alt-lite and hoped they would sound deep. " | |||
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"Where do Brexit views and the woke fit into all this? Well they fit very well. Woke people are generally anti Brexit because they are post modernist, even if they don't realise. Since post modernism is an attempt at the re-invention of classical marxist doctrine such people love big government and dislike democracy. So of course such people will happily be injected with something that could seriously harm them if 'daddy government' tells them too and they think it's for the good of the 'collective'. You just threw a group of buzz words popularised by the alt-lite and hoped they would sound deep. " It's not my if you're not bright enough to understand what post modernism is. It's quite a convincing part of academia to the uninitiated. | |||
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"Where do Brexit views and the woke fit into all this? Well they fit very well. Woke people are generally anti Brexit because they are post modernist, even if they don't realise. Since post modernism is an attempt at the re-invention of classical marxist doctrine such people love big government and dislike democracy. So of course such people will happily be injected with something that could seriously harm them if 'daddy government' tells them too and they think it's for the good of the 'collective'. You just threw a group of buzz words popularised by the alt-lite and hoped they would sound deep. " Exactly my thoughts. Just nonsensical buzzwords | |||
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"If I decide not to have the vaccine it is my choice and I will not be shamed in to it by anybody" Agreed x | |||
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"If I decide not to have the vaccine it is my choice and I will not be shamed in to it by anybody Agreed x" It's a good job our older relatives didn't take that attitude in 1939. If they had most of us probably wouldn't have been here or if we were we would live in a society where we didn't have a choice about much more significant things than taking a vaccine. | |||
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"If I decide not to have the vaccine it is my choice and I will not be shamed in to it by anybody Agreed x It's a good job our older relatives didn't take that attitude in 1939. If they had most of us probably wouldn't have been here or if we were we would live in a society where we didn't have a choice about much more significant things than taking a vaccine." I understand where you're coming from but we're forgetting a couple things. 1. Just because our older relatives chose one thing, that it couldn't be changed with the next. That exactly why we have change and history changes, at the time it's sometimes difficult to see how it can. 2. It is also the very reason we have more choices now and the freedom to choose. It has also become the very reason we are where we are as a society that demands personal choice, expects it as a right, to the point, legislation is changed to accommodate minority groups. The issue of right or wrong have become secondary to freedom and personal choice. This is what has been created and we have to live with it but we do have a choice to accept it or reject it. If you want to take that away from individuals then maybe we are harking back to pre1939. Those who advocate everyone must have the vaccine are removing choice, but more importantly they keep sounding as if they have all the answers, which they don't. There's still so much we do not know about the virus, the vaccines and any long term effects of either having the virus or having the vaccines. | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!"
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties. | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties."Yes this is so true x  | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x "The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it. Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there. The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:- 1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments. 2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available. Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century? | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?"Or people have a mind of their own? X | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X"Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts"In your opinion! X | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts
In your opinion! X"Ok... what is your “informed” opinion and why? | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts
In your opinion! X
Ok... what is your “informed” opinion and why?"Shall keep it to myself on brexit and the vaccine as to many judgemental bullies x | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts
In your opinion! X
Ok... what is your “informed” opinion and why?
Shall keep it to myself on brexit and the vaccine as to many judgemental bullies x"So not based on any science, logic or experts then... if you’re too scared to back up your opinion then it usually means you know it’s wrong | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts
In your opinion! X
Ok... what is your “informed” opinion and why?
Shall keep it to myself on brexit and the vaccine as to many judgemental bullies x
So not based on any science, logic or experts then... if you’re too scared to back up your opinion then it usually means you know it’s wrong "No not scared just encountered bullies here b 4 x | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts
In your opinion! X
Ok... what is your “informed” opinion and why?
Shall keep it to myself on brexit and the vaccine as to many judgemental bullies x
So not based on any science, logic or experts then... if you’re too scared to back up your opinion then it usually means you know it’s wrong
No not scared just encountered bullies here b 4 x"You agreed with the comment that lack of understanding of others views is a big problem, but then refuse to share your views and why you’ve come to them.... you’re part of the problem. You’re refusing to debate and challenge your own viewpoint | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts
In your opinion! X
Ok... what is your “informed” opinion and why?
Shall keep it to myself on brexit and the vaccine as to many judgemental bullies x
So not based on any science, logic or experts then... if you’re too scared to back up your opinion then it usually means you know it’s wrong
No not scared just encountered bullies here b 4 x
You agreed with the comment that lack of understanding of others views is a big problem, but then refuse to share your views and why you’ve come to them.... you’re part of the problem. You’re refusing to debate and challenge your own viewpoint "As I've said I wont anymore I have done only to b bullied which I'm not prepared to b again! X | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts
In your opinion! X
Ok... what is your “informed” opinion and why?
Shall keep it to myself on brexit and the vaccine as to many judgemental bullies x
So not based on any science, logic or experts then... if you’re too scared to back up your opinion then it usually means you know it’s wrong
No not scared just encountered bullies here b 4 x
You agreed with the comment that lack of understanding of others views is a big problem, but then refuse to share your views and why you’ve come to them.... you’re part of the problem. You’re refusing to debate and challenge your own viewpoint
As I've said I wont anymore I have done only to b bullied which I'm not prepared to b again! X"Then don’t moan about others not understanding your position... | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts
In your opinion! X
Ok... what is your “informed” opinion and why?
Shall keep it to myself on brexit and the vaccine as to many judgemental bullies x
So not based on any science, logic or experts then... if you’re too scared to back up your opinion then it usually means you know it’s wrong
No not scared just encountered bullies here b 4 x
You agreed with the comment that lack of understanding of others views is a big problem, but then refuse to share your views and why you’ve come to them.... you’re part of the problem. You’re refusing to debate and challenge your own viewpoint
As I've said I wont anymore I have done only to b bullied which I'm not prepared to b again! X
Then don’t moan about others not understanding your position... "I'm not moaning about anything! X | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts
In your opinion! X
Ok... what is your “informed” opinion and why?
Shall keep it to myself on brexit and the vaccine as to many judgemental bullies x
So not based on any science, logic or experts then... if you’re too scared to back up your opinion then it usually means you know it’s wrong
No not scared just encountered bullies here b 4 x
You agreed with the comment that lack of understanding of others views is a big problem, but then refuse to share your views and why you’ve come to them.... you’re part of the problem. You’re refusing to debate and challenge your own viewpoint
As I've said I wont anymore I have done only to b bullied which I'm not prepared to b again! X
Then don’t moan about others not understanding your position... "How about you leave someone alone who said they don’t want to say anymore. | |||
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"I think folk on this thread need to make a distinction between antivaxxers in general and people who are skeptical about a covid-19 vaccine brought to market too quickly!
Sadly many just assume with little thought behind the other person's thinking. More a reflect of themselves than an indictment on the other.
This was/is the same with the Brexit debate. Lack of understanding of the other perspective and the thinking is driven mostly by fear and uncertainties.
Yes this is so true x
The problem is (as with the Brexit debate) that people refuse to believe experts and instead would rather follow some Facebook propaganda because their mate shared it.
Literally tens of thou_ands of people have had variations of the vaccinations already, they have been tested just as rigorously as any other medication out there.
The vaccinations are available quickly because of two reasons:-
1. Our medical technology has advanced to the point where we can gene sequence things in literal minutes nowadays that enables us to create targeted and therefore safer and more effective treatments.
2. There was no wait to build up a sufficient amount of funding for lab space and research, typically this takes the most time but in this case the funding was instantly available.
Why can’t people accept that we’re actually capable of doing these things in the 21st century?
Or people have a mind of their own? X
Which they’re obviously not using if they’re remaining ignorant of the facts
In your opinion! X
Ok... what is your “informed” opinion and why?
Shall keep it to myself on brexit and the vaccine as to many judgemental bullies x
So not based on any science, logic or experts then... if you’re too scared to back up your opinion then it usually means you know it’s wrong
No not scared just encountered bullies here b 4 x
You agreed with the comment that lack of understanding of others views is a big problem, but then refuse to share your views and why you’ve come to them.... you’re part of the problem. You’re refusing to debate and challenge your own viewpoint
As I've said I wont anymore I have done only to b bullied which I'm not prepared to b again! X
Then don’t moan about others not understanding your position...
How about you leave someone alone who said they don’t want to say anymore."Thank u xx | |||
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