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Will we all need to take the test?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Good morning,
Will we be able to take a Screening test to see if we have had COVID-19 before we are injected with something (Vaccine) we don’t need if we’ve had it?
If you don’t have a headache then don’t take a paracetamol.
I hate taking medicine and really don’t want to be putting anything in to my body that I don’t HAVE to.
Genuine concern here
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Good morning,
Will we be able to take a Screening test to see if we have had COVID-19 before we are injected with something (Vaccine) we don’t need if we’ve had it?
If you don’t have a headache then don’t take a paracetamol.
I hate taking medicine and really don’t want to be putting anything in to my body that I don’t HAVE to.
Genuine concern here
X"
Unlikely as previous infection is no guarantee of immunity. Plus from a simple logistics standpoint, it's far easier to vaccinate everyone that spend time doing preliminary additional antibody tests. Especially as speed is of the essence of we want any hope of a more normal life. |
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Testing costs and it's perhaps about the same price for the Oxford vaccine.
Antibodies may indicate some immunity but not necessarily effective immunity.
As we take vaccines to prevent illness and death, it's a totally different approach to taking paracetamol if you get a headache. A vaccine taken if you are dead is too late. Hundreds of millions of lives have been saved by vaccines, each 1 of them valuable.
We also take vaccines to help to protect each other, including the vulnerable and those who can't take them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I hate taking medicine and really don’t want to be putting anything in to my body that I don’t HAVE to.
Genuine concern here
the choice will be yours However as it stands at the moment you will probably Stuck in the UK.. until you do have the inoculation, other countries will require a certificate to state you have had the inoculation so really if you love travel ........ |
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Good question, and a reasonable point.
I think you’re not going to be forced to anyway, if you really really don’t want it I imagine the upshot in terms of living a normal life, travelling abroad etc will be you having to wait for herd immunity both here and your destination country. At least a year or two presumably, but doable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There seems to be no guarantee that having had covid means you are immune to further infection.
So, based on that, a vaccination would be a good idea."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Testing costs and it's perhaps about the same price for the Oxford vaccine.
Antibodies may indicate some immunity but not necessarily effective immunity.
As we take vaccines to prevent illness and death, it's a totally different approach to taking paracetamol if you get a headache. A vaccine taken if you are dead is too late. Hundreds of millions of lives have been saved by vaccines, each 1 of them valuable.
We also take vaccines to help to protect each other, including the vulnerable and those who can't take them. "
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"Thank you everyone
Appreciate the gentle but empathetic guidance
Quite a lot of us are nervous and I’m grateful for your understanding
Kx"
Trouble is op, there is a massive amount of emotion and fear and misinformation being punted around in social media, main stream media, malcontents... And that informs our choices and feelings. Its irresponsible and unhelpful at best, fear mongering and fomenting division at worst.
Try and think about it clearly....itsbykur choice but given there is not a lot of evidence that having had Covid you are protected for a defined period of time... Its just as well to take it. There is no down side. |
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On the basis that its not conclusive having natural antibodies will give long lasting protection if not regularly exposed to the virus, surely having a vaccination is a much lesser evil than the potential risk of catching the virus and the possibility of hospitalisation and the subsequent cocktail of drugs you may end up needing for any short term treatment or longer term side effects as a result of having had the virus? |
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"Good morning,
Will we be able to take a Screening test to see if we have had COVID-19 before we are injected with something (Vaccine) we don’t need if we’ve had it?
If you don’t have a headache then don’t take a paracetamol.
I hate taking medicine and really don’t want to be putting anything in to my body that I don’t HAVE to.
Genuine concern here
X"
Buying insurance after you've been burgled ?
Taking seasick tablets after you throw up ?
Putting a seatbelt on after you crash ?
Not the same as taking paracetamol if you don't have a headache. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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I'm nervous about it to. A couple of people on here have said that nothing bad will happen ~ how do you know that?
Also I've just read that the Oxford vaccine is 70% effective. That's just ok but not great isn't it? |
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"I'm nervous about it to. A couple of people on here have said that nothing bad will happen ~ how do you know that?
Also I've just read that the Oxford vaccine is 70% effective. That's just ok but not great isn't it? "
You should speak to your gp and ignore the fake news and rubbish on the internet.
Nothing is risk free but the risks with vaccines are extremely low as is shown from recent history |
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"I'm nervous about it to. A couple of people on here have said that nothing bad will happen ~ how do you know that?
Also I've just read that the Oxford vaccine is 70% effective. That's just ok but not great isn't it? "
And the 70% effective doesn't mean bad things will happen to the 30% it just means you may not be fully protected and most likely they would try one of the other vaccines or antibody treatments.
The risk of the virus is much higher according to current data. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Anyone saying it's "risk free" or "no down side" is deluded and is just as dangerous as the antivaxers advice.
The fact is that it's very probably safe but there will be some side effects in some people.
Additionally there *could* be unknow long term issues.
Google "swine flu vaccination compensation" |
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"I'm nervous about it to. A couple of people on here have said that nothing bad will happen ~ how do you know that?
Also I've just read that the Oxford vaccine is 70% effective. That's just ok but not great isn't it? "
All intervention carries risk. (I'm never sure how I'll be read, I'm not trying to be rude or blunt) But vaccination is very to extremely low risk, and is designed to be lower risk than what it prevents. For you and for those who can't be vaccinated. It's lower risk than other medications in the main, including over the counter.
At a quick glance at the headline it seems that the study had two arms, one which had 90% efficacy and the other which had 60-something percent efficacy. |
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"I'm nervous about it to. A couple of people on here have said that nothing bad will happen ~ how do you know that?
Also I've just read that the Oxford vaccine is 70% effective. That's just ok but not great isn't it? "
well the target was only meant to be 50%. The flu vaccine, is just over 60% effective . The vaccine also won't work on every single one of us. There has to be some herd immunity involved. The vaccine is not the be all and end all but it helps, |
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"Anyone saying it's "risk free" or "no down side" is deluded and is just as dangerous as the antivaxers advice.
The fact is that it's very probably safe but there will be some side effects in some people.
Additionally there *could* be unknow long term issues.
Google "swine flu vaccination compensation""
Normally vaccines undergo testing to make sure they are safe, and vaccination has been proven to save millions of lives across the globe. But Pandemrix was different. It had not gone through the normal process and was fast-tracked without the usual clinical trials. |
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Given that we won't have enough doses of the vaccine(s) to give it to everyone for many months yet, I think it would be prudent to use what doses we have wisely.
I think it makes sense initially to only give it to those who haven't previously tested positive and to test the rest for antibodies before giving a vaccine and only give it to those who have no antibodies.
Data on immunity is poor (why is this?) but I think it is reasonable to assume that if you have had covid and recovered that you are in a better position than those who haven't.
This way you make the most of the limited numbers of doses that we do have.
Eventually just give it to all as vaccine production catches up.
Oh, and for clarity, I have no skin in the game - I'm well down the list and happy to wait months. |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
Wiltshire and London |
"Good morning,
Will we be able to take a Screening test to see if we have had COVID-19 before we are injected with something (Vaccine) we don’t need if we’ve had it?
If you don’t have a headache then don’t take a paracetamol.
I hate taking medicine and really don’t want to be putting anything in to my body that I don’t HAVE to.
Genuine concern here
X
Buying insurance after you've been burgled ?
Taking seasick tablets after you throw up ?
Putting a seatbelt on after you crash ?
Not the same as taking paracetamol if you don't have a headache."
Quite. Mind you, and it’s not as if paracetamol stops you having a headache later. |
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"There seems to be no guarantee that having had covid means you are immune to further infection.
So, based on that, a vaccination would be a good idea."
Some people need to understand the facts. This is totally misleading.
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that most people have an immunity to it after infection.
In October the Lancet mentioned at least 4 cases where re-infection has occured and has been proved. There are probably more and there may be cases where a second infection is asymptomatic. But really these are very small numbers given near on 60 million cases worldwide!!
What do you think the purpose of a vaccination is? It's to stimulate an immune response!
So quite frankly if you have anti-bodies you probably don't need a vaccination right now. An in any caseo far the best suggestion is that a vaccination only protects 90% of those who have it.
A very pertinent question is whether it's possible to spot the 10% who are likely to remain unprotected e.g. if someone has a compromised immune system is the vaccine less effective. If so they would need to continue isolating anyway.
Another question is how long does immunity last? I want to know how long a vaccination is going to protect me?
If immunity dies away significantly over time we may need vaccinations every 12 / 18 months. I suspect though this is still an unknown...
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