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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html
So facts stated here that many have been getting shot down about for mentioning on these forums.
No doubt the pro-lock down bods will discount this article as its from the dailymail.
Be interesting to see what happens as more and more media outlets start refusing to toe the party line regarding covid. |
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Iv been saying this for weeks, BBC are by far the worst, also the figures are are all fucked up,undercover journalist in a testing lab in Belfast couldn't believe what he saw, think its on channel 4 despaches |
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"Soooo
1000 deaths a day wasn't acceptable in April but 600 a day is acceptable now ?
I don't know what hospitals they visited ... No really I don't.
But you said it, it's the daily fail
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Isn't 600 more acceptable than 1000? Would you agree its going in the right direction? |
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"Iv been saying this for weeks, BBC are by far the worst, also the figures are are all fucked up,undercover journalist in a testing lab in Belfast couldn't believe what he saw, think its on channel 4 despaches"
If channel 4 are going to broadcast a show that swims against the tide then maybe we are going to start to see a dismantling of the narrative. If you start to see reports similar to this appear in the guardian, beano, viz, bbc news and other credible news sources then you'll know I'm right  |
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"What is the point that is being discussed? "
Nothing is being "discussed" we're just talking shit just like every fucker else on every virus thread that's posted, hello Sophie  |
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html
So facts stated here that many have been getting shot down about for mentioning on these forums.
No doubt the pro-lock down bods will discount this article as its from the dailymail.
Be interesting to see what happens as more and more media outlets start refusing to toe the party line regarding covid."
Thst article states that 50k cases estimated in September if we didn't do anything. Many of us have been under strict rules since then so it's hardly surprising that the estimates based on not doing anything aren't what we see now. You can only say that the estimates were wrong if nothing was done.
The rest of the article is making similar meaningless comparisons.
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"Soooo
1000 deaths a day wasn't acceptable in April but 600 a day is acceptable now ?
I don't know what hospitals they visited ... No really I don't.
But you said it, it's the daily fail
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I think that people forget that these are people. Not numbers.
600 people dead a day.
Apparently a human has 250 people they consider associates, friends or family.
So the equivalent of double everyone you know, a bit more, are dying every single day.
But apparently this is fine because Covid deaths don't count. |
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"What is the point that is being discussed? "
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess. |
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html
So facts stated here that many have been getting shot down about for mentioning on these forums.
No doubt the pro-lock down bods will discount this article as its from the dailymail.
Be interesting to see what happens as more and more media outlets start refusing to toe the party line regarding covid.
Thst article states that 50k cases estimated in September if we didn't do anything. Many of us have been under strict rules since then so it's hardly surprising that the estimates based on not doing anything aren't what we see now. You can only say that the estimates were wrong if nothing was done.
The rest of the article is making similar meaningless comparisons.
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Apart from the fact that other modellers were making predictions that have subsequently been more accurate. |
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"Soooo
1000 deaths a day wasn't acceptable in April but 600 a day is acceptable now ?
I don't know what hospitals they visited ... No really I don't.
But you said it, it's the daily fail
Isn't 600 more acceptable than 1000? Would you agree its going in the right direction? "
In case you hadn't noticed
We had restrictions to keep the deaths low
What if we hadn't ?
I wouldn't like to take responsibility for making the decision to find out. Would you ? |
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"Soooo
1000 deaths a day wasn't acceptable in April but 600 a day is acceptable now ?
I don't know what hospitals they visited ... No really I don't.
But you said it, it's the daily fail
Isn't 600 more acceptable than 1000? Would you agree its going in the right direction?
In case you hadn't noticed
We had restrictions to keep the deaths low
What if we hadn't ?
I wouldn't like to take responsibility for making the decision to find out. Would you ?"
I'm sure that the 400 people a day, and their families, are glad they're still alive. |
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html
So facts stated here that many have been getting shot down about for mentioning on these forums.
No doubt the pro-lock down bods will discount this article as its from the dailymail.
Be interesting to see what happens as more and more media outlets start refusing to toe the party line regarding covid.
Thst article states that 50k cases estimated in September if we didn't do anything. Many of us have been under strict rules since then so it's hardly surprising that the estimates based on not doing anything aren't what we see now. You can only say that the estimates were wrong if nothing was done.
The rest of the article is making similar meaningless comparisons.
Apart from the fact that other modellers were making predictions that have subsequently been more accurate."
How can they be more accurate ? They were modelling a scenario where no action was taken. Action was taken. |
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Nothing is being "discussed" we're just talking shit just like every fucker else on every virus thread that's posted, hello Sophie "
Thanks Dash. It's a slow waking up day for me today.
Separate news, gloryholes will be fitted with virus tests. The hole is closed until the result is negative, when it opens, playing a sound |
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"Soooo
1000 deaths a day wasn't acceptable in April but 600 a day is acceptable now ?
I don't know what hospitals they visited ... No really I don't.
But you said it, it's the daily fail
Isn't 600 more acceptable than 1000? Would you agree its going in the right direction?
In case you hadn't noticed
We had restrictions to keep the deaths low
What if we hadn't ?
I wouldn't like to take responsibility for making the decision to find out. Would you ?"
There is no way that the current mortality figures are connected to the lockdown. The infection rate was already starting to level off and even drop in places in the north prior to the lockdown. |
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html
So facts stated here that many have been getting shot down about for mentioning on these forums.
No doubt the pro-lock down bods will discount this article as its from the dailymail.
Be interesting to see what happens as more and more media outlets start refusing to toe the party line regarding covid.
Thst article states that 50k cases estimated in September if we didn't do anything. Many of us have been under strict rules since then so it's hardly surprising that the estimates based on not doing anything aren't what we see now. You can only say that the estimates were wrong if nothing was done.
The rest of the article is making similar meaningless comparisons.
Apart from the fact that other modellers were making predictions that have subsequently been more accurate.
How can they be more accurate ? They were modelling a scenario where no action was taken. Action was taken."
When you say no action. What do you mean. Oxford University have always promoted hand hygiene, social distancing etc. They have never recommended no action. |
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Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that ..... |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that ....."
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that ....."
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"  |
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess. "
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far. |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that ....."
Parochialism at its finest. It's not a problem in the UK.
Just like SARS wasn't a big deal for the UK... and here we are with a close relative of SARS. |
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far."
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views" |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier" "
Given the excess death figures are barely above normal it is likely that the majority died of old age with a covid positive result as a coincidence. They probably caught covid after going into hospital anyway. |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier" "
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier" Given the excess death figures are barely above normal it is likely that the majority died of old age with a covid positive result as a coincidence. They probably caught covid after going into hospital anyway."
He'll start calling you conspiracy theorist in a minute, wait for it |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that ....."
This has no logic, I will bet you had not a clue nor cared not a jot about such things before someone stopped you going the pub, shagging strangers or what ever the reason is that leads you to play death top trumps to try and justify what?
62 thousand people and their families this year thus far over and above the norm..
It's like a fucking miracle that all of a sudden some people are actually aware of what other less privileged people on the planet live with and have done for years, child mortality, malaria etc..
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier" "
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper! |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper! "
Yup. That's how the NHS is free. Doctors get their degrees from Weetabix boxes and make shit up, and on April 1 the WHO and Boris will come out and go, well this was a jolly lark. All fine. lol |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
This has no logic, I will bet you had not a clue nor cared not a jot about such things before someone stopped you going the pub, shagging strangers or what ever the reason is that leads you to play death top trumps to try and justify what?
62 thousand people and their families this year thus far over and above the norm..
It's like a fucking miracle that all of a sudden some people are actually aware of what other less privileged people on the planet live with and have done for years, child mortality, malaria etc..
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I don't remember anyone on a swinging site giving this much of a shit about TB, air pollution, mental health, education, or (anything other than a raging pandemic) before, do you? |
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views""
That works for both sides of the argument, especially when it comes to which particular group of scientists they believe. |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
This has no logic, I will bet you had not a clue nor cared not a jot about such things before someone stopped you going the pub, shagging strangers or what ever the reason is that leads you to play death top trumps to try and justify what?
62 thousand people and their families this year thus far over and above the norm..
It's like a fucking miracle that all of a sudden some people are actually aware of what other less privileged people on the planet live with and have done for years, child mortality, malaria etc..
I don't remember anyone on a swinging site giving this much of a shit about TB, air pollution, mental health, education, or (anything other than a raging pandemic) before, do you?"
Nope..
It's normally the case that it's the view by some of fuck them, cut the aid budget etc and now it's like a mass conversion into we all care about such things..
Like shite.. |
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
That works for both sides of the argument, especially when it comes to which particular group of scientists they believe. "
I'm not sure I've ever used "mainstream media" as a pejorative.
I'm quite happy to be persuaded. I'd love to be wrong. But so far I've not seen good reason. |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
This has no logic, I will bet you had not a clue nor cared not a jot about such things before someone stopped you going the pub, shagging strangers or what ever the reason is that leads you to play death top trumps to try and justify what?
62 thousand people and their families this year thus far over and above the norm..
It's like a fucking miracle that all of a sudden some people are actually aware of what other less privileged people on the planet live with and have done for years, child mortality, malaria etc..
I don't remember anyone on a swinging site giving this much of a shit about TB, air pollution, mental health, education, or (anything other than a raging pandemic) before, do you?
Nope..
It's normally the case that it's the view by some of fuck them, cut the aid budget etc and now it's like a mass conversion into we all care about such things..
Like shite.."
It is a little transparent... |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper! "
Sorry mate but that is just drivel. If it were true covid would be the one and only, singular cause of death in ons stats. Guess what? It isn't. |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper!
Yup. That's how the NHS is free. Doctors get their degrees from Weetabix boxes and make shit up, and on April 1 the WHO and Boris will come out and go, well this was a jolly lark. All fine. lol"
Ahh...that's why the Barrington doctors are sponsered by weetabix! Now I make the connection. All those other bodies of worldwide health experts that swim against the tide must have big sponsorship deals too then. |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper!
Sorry mate but that is just drivel. If it were true covid would be the one and only, singular cause of death in ons stats. Guess what? It isn't. "
Yeah....Check your bladder. Think I may have stolen some piss |
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Yep I rejected anything from the Daily Mail. Tbe government tried hers immunity and it did not work this is not driven by government agenda it's by the medical profession.
If you can give me one good reason why a government wants to lock down and damage the entire economy and I am talking world wide. Look at.countries that have not lo led down shoukd tell you enough |
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"Yep I rejected anything from the Daily Mail. Tbe government tried hers immunity and it did not work this is not driven by government agenda it's by the medical profession.
If you can give me one good reason why a government wants to lock down and damage the entire economy and I am talking world wide. Look at.countries that have not lo led down shoukd tell you enough"
Anyone want to answer this chap?....or are we frightened of getting censored/banned from fab forum?  |
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"Yep I rejected anything from the Daily Mail. Tbe government tried hers immunity and it did not work this is not driven by government agenda it's by the medical profession.
If you can give me one good reason why a government wants to lock down and damage the entire economy and I am talking world wide. Look at.countries that have not lo led down shoukd tell you enough
Anyone want to answer this chap?....or are we frightened of getting censored/banned from fab forum? "
Go on, tell us about the new world order and the lizards and the other stuff. Worth a giggle on a Saturday |
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"Yep I rejected anything from the Daily Mail. Tbe government tried hers immunity and it did not work this is not driven by government agenda it's by the medical profession.
If you can give me one good reason why a government wants to lock down and damage the entire economy and I am talking world wide. Look at.countries that have not lo led down shoukd tell you enough
Anyone want to answer this chap?....or are we frightened of getting censored/banned from fab forum?
Go on, tell us about the new world order and the lizards and the other stuff. Worth a giggle on a Saturday "
No reptiles involved I'm sorry to say. No lazerbeams from outerspace, no tinfoil underpants or flat eaths....
World economic forum, 4th industrial revolution, great economic reset....aww crap I'm gonna be in trouble now!
Nevertheless....check out those examples and see if youryou giggly saturday turns into an 'oh shit'weekend |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper!
Yup. That's how the NHS is free. Doctors get their degrees from Weetabix boxes and make shit up, and on April 1 the WHO and Boris will come out and go, well this was a jolly lark. All fine. lol
Ahh...that's why the Barrington doctors are sponsered by weetabix! Now I make the connection. All those other bodies of worldwide health experts that swim against the tide must have big sponsorship deals too then. "
Koch brothers and anti climate change organisations, actually. Such legit. So unbiased. Much wow |
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One of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration did an interview with JAMA recently where he said that "any public health intervention needs to take into account the environment it actually is going to be implemented in, not pretend like we’re going to have it work perfectly".
So protecting the most vulnerable people will become more difficult and risks will rise to them as overall population risk rises.
... It's almost like suppressing overall risk is a good idea.
From the mouth of a GBD architect himself. Lol. |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper!
Yup. That's how the NHS is free. Doctors get their degrees from Weetabix boxes and make shit up, and on April 1 the WHO and Boris will come out and go, well this was a jolly lark. All fine. lol
Ahh...that's why the Barrington doctors are sponsered by weetabix! Now I make the connection. All those other bodies of worldwide health experts that swim against the tide must have big sponsorship deals too then.
Koch brothers and anti climate change organisations, actually. Such legit. So unbiased. Much wow"
Eh? So extinction rebellion, greta thunberg and the ipcc? I'm pretty sure they are anti climate change people.... |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper!
Yup. That's how the NHS is free. Doctors get their degrees from Weetabix boxes and make shit up, and on April 1 the WHO and Boris will come out and go, well this was a jolly lark. All fine. lol
Ahh...that's why the Barrington doctors are sponsered by weetabix! Now I make the connection. All those other bodies of worldwide health experts that swim against the tide must have big sponsorship deals too then.
Koch brothers and anti climate change organisations, actually. Such legit. So unbiased. Much wow
Eh? So extinction rebellion, greta thunberg and the ipcc? I'm pretty sure they are anti climate change people.... "
I misspoke, clearly. Anti climate change action.
But there's funding behind it for libertarian purposes. Dismantling government assistance for maximal "freedom" narrowly defined.
That's totally not a conflicting interest. (And yeah anti vaxxers scream about pharma companies and funding. What's good for them is good for me too. Plus, the science speaks for itself  ) |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper!
Yup. That's how the NHS is free. Doctors get their degrees from Weetabix boxes and make shit up, and on April 1 the WHO and Boris will come out and go, well this was a jolly lark. All fine. lol
Ahh...that's why the Barrington doctors are sponsered by weetabix! Now I make the connection. All those other bodies of worldwide health experts that swim against the tide must have big sponsorship deals too then.
Koch brothers and anti climate change organisations, actually. Such legit. So unbiased. Much wow
Eh? So extinction rebellion, greta thunberg and the ipcc? I'm pretty sure they are anti climate change people....
I misspoke, clearly. Anti climate change action.
But there's funding behind it for libertarian purposes. Dismantling government assistance for maximal "freedom" narrowly defined.
That's totally not a conflicting interest. (And yeah anti vaxxers scream about pharma companies and funding. What's good for them is good for me too. Plus, the science speaks for itself )"
But they DO want to change the climate! They want to change it from global warming to global cooling... |
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views""
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper!
Yup. That's how the NHS is free. Doctors get their degrees from Weetabix boxes and make shit up, and on April 1 the WHO and Boris will come out and go, well this was a jolly lark. All fine. lol
Ahh...that's why the Barrington doctors are sponsered by weetabix! Now I make the connection. All those other bodies of worldwide health experts that swim against the tide must have big sponsorship deals too then.
Koch brothers and anti climate change organisations, actually. Such legit. So unbiased. Much wow
Eh? So extinction rebellion, greta thunberg and the ipcc? I'm pretty sure they are anti climate change people....
I misspoke, clearly. Anti climate change action.
But there's funding behind it for libertarian purposes. Dismantling government assistance for maximal "freedom" narrowly defined.
That's totally not a conflicting interest. (And yeah anti vaxxers scream about pharma companies and funding. What's good for them is good for me too. Plus, the science speaks for itself )
But they DO want to change the climate! They want to change it from global warming to global cooling... "
If that's really all you've got... |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
And not ONE of them died for a completely different reason but fell within the vague 28 day rule and not ONE showed a false positive. Seems that not many people die from other illnesse these days..... Not even the Yorkshire ripper!
Yup. That's how the NHS is free. Doctors get their degrees from Weetabix boxes and make shit up, and on April 1 the WHO and Boris will come out and go, well this was a jolly lark. All fine. lol
Ahh...that's why the Barrington doctors are sponsered by weetabix! Now I make the connection. All those other bodies of worldwide health experts that swim against the tide must have big sponsorship deals too then.
Koch brothers and anti climate change organisations, actually. Such legit. So unbiased. Much wow
Eh? So extinction rebellion, greta thunberg and the ipcc? I'm pretty sure they are anti climate change people....
I misspoke, clearly. Anti climate change action.
But there's funding behind it for libertarian purposes. Dismantling government assistance for maximal "freedom" narrowly defined.
That's totally not a conflicting interest. (And yeah anti vaxxers scream about pharma companies and funding. What's good for them is good for me too. Plus, the science speaks for itself )
But they DO want to change the climate! They want to change it from global warming to global cooling...
If that's really all you've got..."
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
*standing ovation*
So you prefer to listen to an organization that empolys, enables and subsequently covers up paedophile monsters? Nice choice "
What do you read or watch ?
You do have to ask yourself why you should trust one source more than another don't you? |
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
*standing ovation*
So you prefer to listen to an organization that empolys, enables and subsequently covers up paedophile monsters? Nice choice
What do you read or watch ?
You do have to ask yourself why you should trust one source more than another don't you? "
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Andd by the way I think the news on the BBC is essentially pretty shit.
Mostly because they seem frightened of pissing off the government(and then being even more heavily regulated), and can't seem to get beyond patronising their audience which they've been part of infantilising aand at the same time patronising.
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What do you read or watch ?
You do have to ask yourself why you should trust one source more than another don't you? "
... Quite.
This seems more "pwn da libs/normies" or picking a sports team than caring about evidence. |
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"Andd by the way I think the news on the BBC is essentially pretty shit.
Mostly because they seem frightened of pissing off the government(and then being even more heavily regulated), and can't seem to get beyond patronising their audience which they've been part of infantilising aand at the same time patronising.
But id still march in the streets to help protect if it was threatened. "
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
*standing ovation*
So you prefer to listen to an organization that empolys, enables and subsequently covers up paedophile monsters? Nice choice
What do you read or watch ?
You do have to ask yourself why you should trust one source more than another don't you? "
I don't watch telly news or read papers. You should try it. It's liberating. I only found out the other day that there was a deadly killer virus going about that has already killed 17.4 million people in Britain....who knew?! Or was that something called 'brexit'?...fucked if I know
Turn off the telly news!! |
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
*standing ovation*
So you prefer to listen to an organization that empolys, enables and subsequently covers up paedophile monsters? Nice choice
What do you read or watch ?
You do have to ask yourself why you should trust one source more than another don't you?
There is only one truth, however, finding it is a different matter "
What on earth do you mean? That statement is incredibly vague.
Do you mean their are versions of truth (which some people don't seem to be able to separate from opinion)? In which case you are right.
Facts are different though.
As are misrepresenting facts. And not giving appropriate context. And leaving out other facts.
Not to mention pressing politicians and corporate mouthpieces robustly enough.accountability is just about dead as viewers got fed up decades ago with shouting at the telly when no one was pressed hard enough. I think they gave up andd just accepted it. We let too much slip through the cracks. Even C4 news is guilty of this.
But accountability. At least the BBC eventually admitted shortcomings.
Just keep comparing us to the US,and what is going on there. We're terrible, but not that bad.
Yet we had so much tto ddo to help inform people sufficiently ages ago, it's practically criminal,the state of our media.
And then fucking catchphrases like MSM start creeping into the discussion.
Shit...
We are a blink away from the US.
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
*standing ovation*
So you prefer to listen to an organization that empolys, enables and subsequently covers up paedophile monsters? Nice choice
What do you read or watch ?
You do have to ask yourself why you should trust one source more than another don't you?
I don't watch telly news or read papers. You should try it. It's liberating. I only found out the other day that there was a deadly killer virus going about that has already killed 17.4 million people in Britain....who knew?! Or was that something called 'brexit'?...fucked if I know
Turn off the telly news!!"
This is gonna sound facetious, and is, to be honest, but in truth I'm onlyy joking here( Well. Mostly..) but yyou could argue that putting a shotgun in your mouth and lying the trigger isiberatongg for your soul as well..! |
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There's data. There's analysis and interpretation of data. There's better or worse data.
There's extrapolating from that data. There's deciding what to include or emphasise, or not.
Nowhere is free of bias, of course, but some are more biased than others, and at least some organisations can be held to account. |
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
*standing ovation*
So you prefer to listen to an organization that empolys, enables and subsequently covers up paedophile monsters? Nice choice
What do you read or watch ?
You do have to ask yourself why you should trust one source more than another don't you?
I don't watch telly news or read papers. You should try it. It's liberating. I only found out the other day that there was a deadly killer virus going about that has already killed 17.4 million people in Britain....who knew?! Or was that something called 'brexit'?...fucked if I know
Turn off the telly news!!
This is gonna sound facetious, and is, to be honest, but in truth I'm onlyy joking here( Well. Mostly..) but yyou could argue that putting a shotgun in your mouth and lying the trigger isiberatongg for your soul as well..! "
Tut. 'And pulling the trigger is liberating for your soul'
I'm making a cuppa. Feeling a bit discombobulated..
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
*standing ovation*
So you prefer to listen to an organization that empolys, enables and subsequently covers up paedophile monsters? Nice choice
What do you read or watch ?
You do have to ask yourself why you should trust one source more than another don't you?
I don't watch telly news or read papers. You should try it. It's liberating. I only found out the other day that there was a deadly killer virus going about that has already killed 17.4 million people in Britain....who knew?! Or was that something called 'brexit'?...fucked if I know
Turn off the telly news!!
This is gonna sound facetious, and is, to be honest, but in truth I'm onlyy joking here( Well. Mostly..) but yyou could argue that putting a shotgun in your mouth and lying the trigger isiberatongg for your soul as well..! "
You don't need a shotgun. I started ignoring the bbc etc when I discovered that none of the management were going to appear in the dock after operation yew tree.
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Ridiculous thing is, I'm not relying on the BBC for my news either.
I'm such an MSM sheeple, relying on curating my own sources outside the media 
Meanwhile some of the MSM opponents do love to cite Murdoch and other huge media multinationals when it suits them.
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
*standing ovation*
So you prefer to listen to an organization that empolys, enables and subsequently covers up paedophile monsters? Nice choice
What do you read or watch ?
You do have to ask yourself why you should trust one source more than another don't you?
There is only one truth, however, finding it is a different matter
What on earth do you mean? That statement is incredibly vague.
Do you mean their are versions of truth (which some people don't seem to be able to separate from opinion)? In which case you are right.
Facts are different though.
As are misrepresenting facts. And not giving appropriate context. And leaving out other facts.
Not to mention pressing politicians and corporate mouthpieces robustly enough.accountability is just about dead as viewers got fed up decades ago with shouting at the telly when no one was pressed hard enough. I think they gave up andd just accepted it. We let too much slip through the cracks. Even C4 news is guilty of this.
But accountability. At least the BBC eventually admitted shortcomings.
Just keep comparing us to the US,and what is going on there. We're terrible, but not that bad.
Yet we had so much tto ddo to help inform people sufficiently ages ago, it's practically criminal,the state of our media.
And then fucking catchphrases like MSM start creeping into the discussion.
Shit...
We are a blink away from the US.
If anyone on here wants that, then I frankly terrified. "
It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth |
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It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth"
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"What is the point that is being discussed?
Because people disagree with what's been trotted out day in,day out by the MSM. One freedom we still have is to disagree with folks. How long we will have that freedom to disagree is anyone's guess.
Including the freedom to assume anyone who uses the term "MSM" is probably wrong, which has worked pretty well so far.
I want to know what they mean by MSM. It often seems to mean "organisations that disagree with my fringe views"
And mostly use facts (ie truth. As in:shit happened) responsibly. And are regulated.
Funny tthat right wingers who whinge about 'MSM' donny realise that they're being manipulated by interests who wish to peddle conspiracy theories, cause fear, then distrust, and only then receive 'knowledge' about tthe world via lying, manipulative media outlets who aren't regulated, are funded by big commercial corporations (drain the swamp indeed..) with their own aims which presently relies on populism and, by extension, obfuscation and lies.
The BBC isn't perfect (and don't talk to me about it being crap, the tories have been trying to hamstring it for decades, so that's partly why), but I'd rather have the BBC rather than some kind of Infowars type bollocks. Or even tthe Daily fucking racist Mail.
To invert the type off person who 'populised' the 'wake up' catchphrase, then maybe damned well wake up. The onlyy oeeoll etryong to erode your democracy of 'free speech' (include facts here) are the Tories and fringe elements.
And if they win then we're all fucked.
Look at the US.
Turkey.
Russia.
The Philippines.
*standing ovation*
So you prefer to listen to an organization that empolys, enables and subsequently covers up paedophile monsters? Nice choice
What do you read or watch ?
You do have to ask yourself why you should trust one source more than another don't you?
I don't watch telly news or read papers. You should try it. It's liberating. I only found out the other day that there was a deadly killer virus going about that has already killed 17.4 million people in Britain....who knew?! Or was that something called 'brexit'?...fucked if I know
Turn off the telly news!!
This is gonna sound facetious, and is, to be honest, but in truth I'm onlyy joking here( Well. Mostly..) but yyou could argue that putting a shotgun in your mouth and lying the trigger isiberatongg for your soul as well..!
Tut. 'And pulling the trigger is liberating for your soul'
I'm making a cuppa. Feeling a bit discombobulated..
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It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth
Ok. Assuming that's true, how do you know what that is?"
And therein lies the problem, confusion creates panic and anxiety |
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It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth
Ok. Assuming that's true, how do you know what that is?
And therein lies the problem, confusion creates panic and anxiety "
Sure.
But the answer lies in vetting sources and holding sources of information to account. Not screaming about mainstream media, as though being part of the establishment means anything about truth. |
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"I knew this thread would bring out the usual names, the msm sheep to defend!
Baa"
That's good, keep believing every word your Boris, Tory government, government scientists, newspapers, tv news media tell you.
They would never lie. |
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It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth
Ok. Assuming that's true, how do you know what that is?
And therein lies the problem, confusion creates panic and anxiety
Sure.
But the answer lies in vetting sources and holding sources of information to account. Not screaming about mainstream media, as though being part of the establishment means anything about truth."
I only listen to one guy now |
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It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth
Ok. Assuming that's true, how do you know what that is?
And therein lies the problem, confusion creates panic and anxiety
Sure.
But the answer lies in vetting sources and holding sources of information to account. Not screaming about mainstream media, as though being part of the establishment means anything about truth.
I only listen to one guy now"
That seems unwise. |
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"I knew this thread would bring out the usual names, the msm sheep to defend!
Baa
That's good, keep believing every word your Boris, Tory government, government scientists, newspapers, tv news media tell you.
They would never lie."
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It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth
Ok. Assuming that's true, how do you know what that is?
And therein lies the problem, confusion creates panic and anxiety
Sure.
But the answer lies in vetting sources and holding sources of information to account. Not screaming about mainstream media, as though being part of the establishment means anything about truth.
I only listen to one guy now
That seems unwise."
Like I said, they contradict each other, I'm staying with this guy,what he predicted would happen has happened
https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts |
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It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth
Ok. Assuming that's true, how do you know what that is?
And therein lies the problem, confusion creates panic and anxiety
Sure.
But the answer lies in vetting sources and holding sources of information to account. Not screaming about mainstream media, as though being part of the establishment means anything about truth.
I only listen to one guy now
That seems unwise.
Like I said, they contradict each other, I'm staying with this guy,what he predicted would happen has happened
https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts"
I'm watching it. It's very good given the evidence that existed in March.
I've also done a bit of Googling and his views on things like masks have changed since March - (see, for example, his commentary "COMMENTARY: My views on cloth face coverings for the public for preventing COVID-19" - 22 July 2020)
The evidence base has changed a lot since March. He's a proper scientist, and his views have changed in line with the evidence. |
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It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth
Ok. Assuming that's true, how do you know what that is?
And therein lies the problem, confusion creates panic and anxiety
Sure.
But the answer lies in vetting sources and holding sources of information to account. Not screaming about mainstream media, as though being part of the establishment means anything about truth.
I only listen to one guy now
That seems unwise.
Like I said, they contradict each other, I'm staying with this guy,what he predicted would happen has happened
https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts
I'm watching it. It's very good given the evidence that existed in March.
I've also done a bit of Googling and his views on things like masks have changed since March - (see, for example, his commentary "COMMENTARY: My views on cloth face coverings for the public for preventing COVID-19" - 22 July 2020)
The evidence base has changed a lot since March. He's a proper scientist, and his views have changed in line with the evidence."
I'm glad you watched it, his podcast is superb info,but it does centre on the US mostly
His latest cast if you're interested
https://youtu.be/JB8zzf7r0C0
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It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth
Ok. Assuming that's true, how do you know what that is?
And therein lies the problem, confusion creates panic and anxiety
Sure.
But the answer lies in vetting sources and holding sources of information to account. Not screaming about mainstream media, as though being part of the establishment means anything about truth.
I only listen to one guy now
That seems unwise.
Like I said, they contradict each other, I'm staying with this guy,what he predicted would happen has happened
https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts
I'm watching it. It's very good given the evidence that existed in March.
I've also done a bit of Googling and his views on things like masks have changed since March - (see, for example, his commentary "COMMENTARY: My views on cloth face coverings for the public for preventing COVID-19" - 22 July 2020)
The evidence base has changed a lot since March. He's a proper scientist, and his views have changed in line with the evidence.
I'm glad you watched it, his podcast is superb info,but it does centre on the US mostly
His latest cast if you're interested
https://youtu.be/JB8zzf7r0C0
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I was focused on his guest, I'm afraid 
The host is irrelevant to me. I'm all "ooh esteemed epidemiologist" |
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It's not vague, there can only be one truth, multiple media outlets contradicting each other, scientists contradicting each other, there is always only one truth
Ok. Assuming that's true, how do you know what that is?
And therein lies the problem, confusion creates panic and anxiety
Sure.
But the answer lies in vetting sources and holding sources of information to account. Not screaming about mainstream media, as though being part of the establishment means anything about truth.
I only listen to one guy now
That seems unwise.
Like I said, they contradict each other, I'm staying with this guy,what he predicted would happen has happened
https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts
I'm watching it. It's very good given the evidence that existed in March.
I've also done a bit of Googling and his views on things like masks have changed since March - (see, for example, his commentary "COMMENTARY: My views on cloth face coverings for the public for preventing COVID-19" - 22 July 2020)
The evidence base has changed a lot since March. He's a proper scientist, and his views have changed in line with the evidence.
I'm glad you watched it, his podcast is superb info,but it does centre on the US mostly
His latest cast if you're interested
https://youtu.be/JB8zzf7r0C0
I was focused on his guest, I'm afraid
The host is irrelevant to me. I'm all "ooh esteemed epidemiologist""
Noooooooo not joe rogan, I'm talking about Michael osterholm, he has a podcast every week |
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"That's interesting. I may need to add a podcast to my list. Nice find  "
The full interview with Joe rogan is superb, that was a few minutes of it, he talks about limes disease and ebola, mers, sars, it's fascinating
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
This has no logic, I will bet you had not a clue nor cared not a jot about such things before someone stopped you going the pub, shagging strangers or what ever the reason is that leads you to play death top trumps to try and justify what?
62 thousand people and their families this year thus far over and above the norm..
It's like a fucking miracle that all of a sudden some people are actually aware of what other less privileged people on the planet live with and have done for years, child mortality, malaria etc..
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Exactly, we can prevent TB because we have this wonderful thing called a vaccine against it. Vast majority of TB deaths are from countries mainly Africa where they can't afford the vaccine.
And then of course we will have self entitled westerners who will refuse to take a vaccine for Covid due to reading none "MSM" conspiracy theories.
The main stream media like it or not is the best we have.
Or you can get your news from some bloke shouting on youtube....????? |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
This has no logic, I will bet you had not a clue nor cared not a jot about such things before someone stopped you going the pub, shagging strangers or what ever the reason is that leads you to play death top trumps to try and justify what?
62 thousand people and their families this year thus far over and above the norm..
It's like a fucking miracle that all of a sudden some people are actually aware of what other less privileged people on the planet live with and have done for years, child mortality, malaria etc..
Exactly, we can prevent TB because we have this wonderful thing called a vaccine against it. Vast majority of TB deaths are from countries mainly Africa where they can't afford the vaccine.
And then of course we will have self entitled westerners who will refuse to take a vaccine for Covid due to reading none "MSM" conspiracy theories.
The main stream media like it or not is the best we have.
Or you can get your news from some bloke shouting on youtube....?????"
Who shouts on YouTube? |
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over a year ago
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
This has no logic, I will bet you had not a clue nor cared not a jot about such things before someone stopped you going the pub, shagging strangers or what ever the reason is that leads you to play death top trumps to try and justify what?
62 thousand people and their families this year thus far over and above the norm..
It's like a fucking miracle that all of a sudden some people are actually aware of what other less privileged people on the planet live with and have done for years, child mortality, malaria etc..
Exactly, we can prevent TB because we have this wonderful thing called a vaccine against it. Vast majority of TB deaths are from countries mainly Africa where they can't afford the vaccine.
And then of course we will have self entitled westerners who will refuse to take a vaccine for Covid due to reading none "MSM" conspiracy theories.
The main stream media like it or not is the best we have.
Or you can get your news from some bloke shouting on youtube....?????
Who shouts on YouTube? "
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
This has no logic, I will bet you had not a clue nor cared not a jot about such things before someone stopped you going the pub, shagging strangers or what ever the reason is that leads you to play death top trumps to try and justify what?
62 thousand people and their families this year thus far over and above the norm..
It's like a fucking miracle that all of a sudden some people are actually aware of what other less privileged people on the planet live with and have done for years, child mortality, malaria etc..
Exactly, we can prevent TB because we have this wonderful thing called a vaccine against it. Vast majority of TB deaths are from countries mainly Africa where they can't afford the vaccine.
And then of course we will have self entitled westerners who will refuse to take a vaccine for Covid due to reading none "MSM" conspiracy theories.
The main stream media like it or not is the best we have.
Or you can get your news from some bloke shouting on youtube....?????
Who shouts on YouTube?
Plenty of people? "
I'll type in "man shouting" and see what comes up.... Thanks |
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over a year ago
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
This has no logic, I will bet you had not a clue nor cared not a jot about such things before someone stopped you going the pub, shagging strangers or what ever the reason is that leads you to play death top trumps to try and justify what?
62 thousand people and their families this year thus far over and above the norm..
It's like a fucking miracle that all of a sudden some people are actually aware of what other less privileged people on the planet live with and have done for years, child mortality, malaria etc..
Exactly, we can prevent TB because we have this wonderful thing called a vaccine against it. Vast majority of TB deaths are from countries mainly Africa where they can't afford the vaccine.
And then of course we will have self entitled westerners who will refuse to take a vaccine for Covid due to reading none "MSM" conspiracy theories.
The main stream media like it or not is the best we have.
Or you can get your news from some bloke shouting on youtube....?????
Who shouts on YouTube?
Plenty of people?
I'll type in "man shouting" and see what comes up.... Thanks "
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid"
Yeah it's a real scandal the thousands of people that are actually dying of skydiving (or is that dying WHILE skydiving?) that the government is covering up with this obvious hoax about some outlandish virus purporting to come from the other side of the world... |
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over a year ago
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Mainstream Media is an expression popularised by Rush Limbaugh as part of the process of preparing a Nation for lies and conspiracy theories like Obama's birth certificate.
In order to successfully lie to a populace in a democracy, it's first necessary to discredit the media. The nazis used the term Lügenpresse.
Remember, Alternative media = Alternative facts.
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Yeah it's a real scandal the thousands of people that are actually dying of skydiving (or is that dying WHILE skydiving?) that the government is covering up with this obvious hoax about some outlandish virus purporting to come from the other side of the world..."
Who said it was a hoax? Not me, read it again sir |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Yeah it's a real scandal the thousands of people that are actually dying of skydiving (or is that dying WHILE skydiving?) that the government is covering up with this obvious hoax about some outlandish virus purporting to come from the other side of the world..."
The death toll from September 11 was 2977. 19 years later this still has reverberations globally.
Somehow multiples of that now is not a big deal
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"Yep I rejected anything from the Daily Mail. Tbe government tried hers immunity and it did not work this is not driven by government agenda it's by the medical profession.
If you can give me one good reason why a government wants to lock down and damage the entire economy and I am talking world wide. Look at.countries that have not lo led down shoukd tell you enough
Anyone want to answer this chap?....or are we frightened of getting censored/banned from fab forum?
Go on, tell us about the new world order and the lizards and the other stuff. Worth a giggle on a Saturday
No reptiles involved I'm sorry to say. No lazerbeams from outerspace, no tinfoil underpants or flat eaths....
World economic forum, 4th industrial revolution, great economic reset....aww crap I'm gonna be in trouble now!
Nevertheless....check out those examples and see if youryou giggly saturday turns into an 'oh shit'weekend "
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Yeah it's a real scandal the thousands of people that are actually dying of skydiving (or is that dying WHILE skydiving?) that the government is covering up with this obvious hoax about some outlandish virus purporting to come from the other side of the world..."
Hadn't you heard ?
There's a booth outside every hospital offering free skydiving courses for those recovering from Covid. Careful though because if you don't sign up you'll get hit by a bus, probably suffer a massive heart attack and die of covid
It happened over 2000 people last week alone  |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Yeah it's a real scandal the thousands of people that are actually dying of skydiving (or is that dying WHILE skydiving?) that the government is covering up with this obvious hoax about some outlandish virus purporting to come from the other side of the world...
Hadn't you heard ?
There's a booth outside every hospital offering free skydiving courses for those recovering from Covid. Careful though because if you don't sign up you'll get hit by a bus, probably suffer a massive heart attack and die of covid
It happened over 2000 people last week alone "
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Yeah it's a real scandal the thousands of people that are actually dying of skydiving (or is that dying WHILE skydiving?) that the government is covering up with this obvious hoax about some outlandish virus purporting to come from the other side of the world...
Hadn't you heard ?
There's a booth outside every hospital offering free skydiving courses for those recovering from Covid. Careful though because if you don't sign up you'll get hit by a bus, probably suffer a massive heart attack and die of covid
It happened over 2000 people last week alone
Not like you to be flippant"
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid"
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite |
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html
So facts stated here that many have been getting shot down about for mentioning on these forums.
No doubt the pro-lock down bods will discount this article as its from the dailymail.
Be interesting to see what happens as more and more media outlets start refusing to toe the party line regarding covid.
Thst article states that 50k cases estimated in September if we didn't do anything. Many of us have been under strict rules since then so it's hardly surprising that the estimates based on not doing anything aren't what we see now. You can only say that the estimates were wrong if nothing was done.
The rest of the article is making similar meaningless comparisons.
Apart from the fact that other modellers were making predictions that have subsequently been more accurate.
How can they be more accurate ? They were modelling a scenario where no action was taken. Action was taken.
When you say no action. What do you mean. Oxford University have always promoted hand hygiene, social distancing etc. They have never recommended no action."
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite "
FFS what part of that eludes you? The figures are wrong,if you had covid 4 week ago and recovered, and then die in a car crash you can't say its covid why people don't get this is beyond me, I really don't understand,
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Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite "
Typo over 2000
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite
Typo over 2000
And of those at least 2 were car crashes and 1 was run over by a bus"
Ok lets do it your way, so all these deaths in the last 28 days are from covid, yes? |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite
Typo over 2000
And of those at least 2 were car crashes and 1 was run over by a bus
Ok lets do it your way, so all these deaths in the last 28 days are from covid, yes? "
Let's do it your way, how many weren't ? |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite
Typo over 2000
And of those at least 2 were car crashes and 1 was run over by a bus
Ok lets do it your way, so all these deaths in the last 28 days are from covid, yes?
Let's do it your way, how many weren't ?"
I suppose it depends on how many of them were asymptomatic or symptomatic. |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite
Typo over 2000
And of those at least 2 were car crashes and 1 was run over by a bus
Ok lets do it your way, so all these deaths in the last 28 days are from covid, yes?
Let's do it your way, how many weren't ?"
Ahhhh answer a question with a question, you dont know, are you piers Morgan in disguise, hello piers xxxx |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite
FFS what part of that eludes you? The figures are wrong,if you had covid 4 week ago and recovered, and then die in a car crash you can't say its covid why people don't get this is beyond me, I really don't understand,
Que the smarmy iv had a beer Saturday night narcissistic answers"
FFS what part of only a very tiny (if any) number of deaths are people hit by a bus, died in a car crash or fell from a plane . Such cases are exceeded by Covid complication related deaths occurring more than 4 weeks after testing |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite
FFS what part of that eludes you? The figures are wrong,if you had covid 4 week ago and recovered, and then die in a car crash you can't say its covid why people don't get this is beyond me, I really don't understand,
Que the smarmy iv had a beer Saturday night narcissistic answers
FFS what part of only a very tiny (if any) number of deaths are people hit by a bus, died in a car crash or fell from a plane . Such cases are exceeded by Covid complication related deaths occurring more than 4 weeks after testing"
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite
FFS what part of that eludes you? The figures are wrong,if you had covid 4 week ago and recovered, and then die in a car crash you can't say its covid why people don't get this is beyond me, I really don't understand,
Que the smarmy iv had a beer Saturday night narcissistic answers
FFS what part of only a very tiny (if any) number of deaths are people hit by a bus, died in a car crash or fell from a plane . Such cases are exceeded by Covid complication related deaths occurring more than 4 weeks after testing"
When the average of those who die with a positive test is higher than those who die negative you've got to think that most of them died of old age and the positive test result was irrelevant. |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite
FFS what part of that eludes you? The figures are wrong,if you had covid 4 week ago and recovered, and then die in a car crash you can't say its covid why people don't get this is beyond me, I really don't understand,
Que the smarmy iv had a beer Saturday night narcissistic answers
FFS what part of only a very tiny (if any) number of deaths are people hit by a bus, died in a car crash or fell from a plane . Such cases are exceeded by Covid complication related deaths occurring more than 4 weeks after testing
When the average of those who die with a positive test is higher than those who die negative you've got to think that most of them died of old age and the positive test result was irrelevant. "
I think I'll go with ONS statics if it's all the same |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite
FFS what part of that eludes you? The figures are wrong,if you had covid 4 week ago and recovered, and then die in a car crash you can't say its covid why people don't get this is beyond me, I really don't understand,
Que the smarmy iv had a beer Saturday night narcissistic answers
FFS what part of only a very tiny (if any) number of deaths are people hit by a bus, died in a car crash or fell from a plane . Such cases are exceeded by Covid complication related deaths occurring more than 4 weeks after testing
When the average of those who die with a positive test is higher than those who die negative you've got to think that most of them died of old age and the positive test result was irrelevant.
I think I'll go with ONS statics if it's all the same "
Oh I haven't seen the ONS figures that show those who have sadly passed how many were asymptomatic. Can you point them out to me |
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"Where does this figure of 600 deaths a day come from? My math is not brilliant but your saying 18k people have died in the last 30 days in britain?? I dont think so.worldwide deaths are 1.4 million ......worldwide deaths from TB, yes TB, is 1.6 million but i dont here or see any MSM banging on about that .....
Over 5000 have died in the last 7 days if that makes you "happier"
No it isn't its 2,225 as of yesterday,government website, however them figures are fucking bullshit, you die skydiving they put it down as covid
Of those 2225, how many died sky diving or by being hit by a bus which is the other favourite
FFS what part of that eludes you? The figures are wrong,if you had covid 4 week ago and recovered, and then die in a car crash you can't say its covid why people don't get this is beyond me, I really don't understand,
Que the smarmy iv had a beer Saturday night narcissistic answers
FFS what part of only a very tiny (if any) number of deaths are people hit by a bus, died in a car crash or fell from a plane . Such cases are exceeded by Covid complication related deaths occurring more than 4 weeks after testing
When the average of those who die with a positive test is higher than those who die negative you've got to think that most of them died of old age and the positive test result was irrelevant.
I think I'll go with ONS statics if it's all the same
Oh I haven't seen the ONS figures that show those who have sadly passed how many were asymptomatic. Can you point them out to me"
You can't subtract ? |
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Probably the most accurate piece of journalism published in the last 8 months, ironically written by a newspaper that typically publishes crap.
All what they state is backed by statistics that will not be published to the general public.
My partner works on the Covid front line, she has access to sensitive information for her trust which is concurrent with this article.
Predictions by medical and scientific experts were way way off back in the spring when reviewed afterwards. The same predictions are happening again in the autumn, which will eventually be reviewed and be way off again.
Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance will hopefully one day be held to account for the untold damage they have caused to this country.
The damage to the economy, to buisiness, to employment, to livelihoods, to health, to mental health is so profound it will take years to recover from.
For some people approaching retirement, they do not have years to play with, its either work longer or live poorer.
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So why did the government stop lying and making up all these deaths for a couple of months the after the first lockdown ?
Is the gringe secretly in charge and it's all a ploy to destroy Christmas ?
What about the rest of the world ? What's in it for them ?
It's rather strange that the chief denier Trump is in charge of one of the worst hit countries but maybe he is calling a double bluff ?
Anyway only fab experts know the real truth. Eh ? |
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"So why did the government stop lying and making up all these deaths for a couple of months the after the first lockdown ?
Is the gringe secretly in charge and it's all a ploy to destroy Christmas ?
What about the rest of the world ? What's in it for them ?
It's rather strange that the chief denier Trump is in charge of one of the worst hit countries but maybe he is calling a double bluff ?
Anyway only fab experts know the real truth. Eh ?"
The lizard people are bluffing and double bluffing. It confuses all the world's experts but the Truth is out there. WankMyYugeCockOff* for president! He knows all!
* If this is a real Fab user I'm so sorry |
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Well think everyone is confused by the never ending stream of information and the mere fact that scientists disagree but that's how science works and seeing the utter sh** show unfolding in America ?? that's what happens when the lunatics take over the asylum ?? and no matter what happens those in charge will blame someone or some thing else and roll on "Brexit" another cunning plan by the elite !! Give them bread and circuses springs to mind though |
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"Probably the most accurate piece of journalism published in the last 8 months, ironically written by a newspaper that typically publishes crap.
All what they state is backed by statistics that will not be published to the general public.
My partner works on the Covid front line, she has access to sensitive information for her trust which is concurrent with this article.
Predictions by medical and scientific experts were way way off back in the spring when reviewed afterwards. The same predictions are happening again in the autumn, which will eventually be reviewed and be way off again.
Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance will hopefully one day be held to account for the untold damage they have caused to this country.
The damage to the economy, to buisiness, to employment, to livelihoods, to health, to mental health is so profound it will take years to recover from.
For some people approaching retirement, they do not have years to play with, its either work longer or live poorer.
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You really do fail to grasp what a these predictions were.
This isn't a game of football where you predict the final score. The match gets played out and either you are right or wrong.
The deaths would undoubtedly would have been nearer the estimates had nothing been done.
You can say that they were wrong if nothing had been done to prevent the spread and the actual deaths were either higher or lower. You can also say that they were wrong if something was done but the death rates were higher and therefore estimates were under.
You can't say they were wrong if they provided estimates based on letting the virus rip, the government / people acted and the deaths were lower than the estimates. |
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"Probably the most accurate piece of journalism published in the last 8 months, ironically written by a newspaper that typically publishes crap.
All what they state is backed by statistics that will not be published to the general public.
My partner works on the Covid front line, she has access to sensitive information for her trust which is concurrent with this article.
Predictions by medical and scientific experts were way way off back in the spring when reviewed afterwards. The same predictions are happening again in the autumn, which will eventually be reviewed and be way off again.
Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance will hopefully one day be held to account for the untold damage they have caused to this country.
The damage to the economy, to buisiness, to employment, to livelihoods, to health, to mental health is so profound it will take years to recover from.
For some people approaching retirement, they do not have years to play with, its either work longer or live poorer.
You really do fail to grasp what a these predictions were.
This isn't a game of football where you predict the final score. The match gets played out and either you are right or wrong.
The deaths would undoubtedly would have been nearer the estimates had nothing been done.
You can say that they were wrong if nothing had been done to prevent the spread and the actual deaths were either higher or lower. You can also say that they were wrong if something was done but the death rates were higher and therefore estimates were under.
You can't say they were wrong if they provided estimates based on letting the virus rip, the government / people acted and the deaths were lower than the estimates. "
Actually the graph that Valance produced to justify the current lockdown stated the his predictions were based on continuing with the tier system.
The fact that its the tier system that has brought about the current fall in cases and plateauing of fatalities indicates his predictions were wrong. |
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"Probably the most accurate piece of journalism published in the last 8 months, ironically written by a newspaper that typically publishes crap.
All what they state is backed by statistics that will not be published to the general public.
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Glad you appreciated the article. All the data contained in it is readily available on the government's own websites.
There is publicly available data and statistics that when quoted by anyone talking agaisnt lockdown get discounted or ignored.
I was pleaed to see a national newspaper finally talking about them, even if it is the Daily mail.
The numbers do not lie but peoples emotions will let them be ignored. |
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"Iv been saying this for weeks, BBC are by far the worst, also the figures are are all fucked up,undercover journalist in a testing lab in Belfast couldn't believe what he saw, think its on channel 4 despaches"
The Telegraph also did an in depth report into the graphs and models that Whitty and co used which exposed the truth, that being the message of fear based on an outdated model system where the actual facts and figures showed otherwise.
The C4 program will be cast off as bunkem mostly because people refuse to accept anything other than the BBC as credible.
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The lockdown is based on figures from October. The government advisors had 3 surveys they could have chosen. The imperial react survey, the ONS survey or the Kings college Zoe survey.
The imperial figures were at odds with both the ONS and kings college figures.
For some reason they decided to stick with imperial. Modelling is only as good as the data used.
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