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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
in the sticks |
Obviously don't give to much interest about Christmas, but shows the very selectively of the British public.
99 times out of 100 the public couldn't give a toss about religious festivals unless time off from work is mentioned.
Now its covid v Christmas... cue Harry Hill.
All those that couldn't give a toss come out fighting for the religious festival.
Makes an atheist scratch his head in wonder |
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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago
ribble valley |
As an atheist, I love Xmas. I like seeing folk, partying, eating a little bit too much. Maybe a little more drink. In fact everything a Christian would do (without going to church at midnight and xmas morning.)  |
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"Obviously don't give to much interest about Christmas, but shows the very selectively of the British public.
99 times out of 100 the public couldn't give a toss about religious festivals unless time off from work is mentioned.
Now its covid v Christmas... cue Harry Hill.
All those that couldn't give a toss come out fighting for the religious festival.
Makes an atheist scratch his head in wonder "
Christmas isn't really a religious festival, it was stolen from the Pagans. I have read the bible and Santa is mentioned once.
Xmas is a season of family time, tradition and parties.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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While I agree that 'probably most' don't see or observe the Religious significance it is still a 'traditional' time to meet Family and Friends that you may not have seen much of throughout the year. It's the time (birthdays too) when most of us set time aside to do that.
As such it's an important time. |
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I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian. |
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian."
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it. |
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over a year ago
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"Obviously don't give to much interest about Christmas, but shows the very selectively of the British public.
99 times out of 100 the public couldn't give a toss about religious festivals unless time off from work is mentioned.
Now its covid v Christmas... cue Harry Hill.
All those that couldn't give a toss come out fighting for the religious festival.
Makes an atheist scratch his head in wonder
Christmas isn't really a religious festival, it was stolen from the Pagans. I have read the bible and Santa is mentioned once.
Xmas is a season of family time, tradition and parties.
Cal"
I THINK you meant to say "...Santa ISN'T mentioned once.". 
Christmas is a religious festival - in the Judeo-Christian context. It did co-opt and supplant, in this country and a few others, Pagan midwinter events which were also religiously-based (just not from the Judeo-Christian mythos).
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"Obviously don't give to much interest about Christmas, but shows the very selectively of the British public.
99 times out of 100 the public couldn't give a toss about religious festivals unless time off from work is mentioned.
Now its covid v Christmas... cue Harry Hill.
All those that couldn't give a toss come out fighting for the religious festival.
Makes an atheist scratch his head in wonder
Christmas isn't really a religious festival, it was stolen from the Pagans. I have read the bible and Santa is mentioned once.
Xmas is a season of family time, tradition and parties.
Cal
I THINK you meant to say "...Santa ISN'T mentioned once.".
Christmas is a religious festival - in the Judeo-Christian context. It did co-opt and supplant, in this country and a few others, Pagan midwinter events which were also religiously-based (just not from the Judeo-Christian mythos).
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones  |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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There are a wealth of stories about Nicholas’ life -- many of them emphasize his kindness and generosity. After his death on December 6, a tradition of gift giving was begun in his honor.
St. Nicholas Day is still observed on December 6 in many countries, but in others, America included, the practices associated with the day were combined with Christmas. It seemed natural to many Christians that a holiday celebrating giving would merge with the birth of Christ, the greatest gift ever given to the world. However, the merger happened to the dismay of many Christian leaders who thought that St. Nicholas started to draw too much attention away from Christ. In Germany, parents were encouraged to teach their children that the Christ Child was the gift-giver. The name Kriss Kringle is the English form of the German name for “Christ Child.” Ironically, in America the name Kriss Kringle came to be used synonymously with St. Nicholas, St. Nick, Santa Claus and even the English name Father Christmas.
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones "
People are trying to light their lives up amongst the gloom. If you dont like it look away.
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones "
I suspect you misunderstand, wilfully or otherwise. |
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As an atheist, i have never put Christmas holidays and religious festival together lol
For me any festival, meaning time off is welcome lol
Just because we don't celebrate it for the same reasons, it doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't celebrate it for our OWN reasons.
Time off to see the fam, party with friends, sex with strangers? Hell yeah bring Christmas lol |
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The academic year is based around the event, for us it's 2 whole weeks together.
We typically escape the U.K for some sunshine, kayaking, paddle boarding, snorkelling etc. We swap gifts admitted, usually around the 12th Dec  |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
in the sticks |
"Ho ho ho... here we go... on the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me...........covid "
Thats the irony of it all from my point of view, never gave a crap about Christmas and to be honest, haven't gave much to covid either as worked all through the year.
But interesting to watch the rush to do Christmas for another 4 weeks of lockdown  |
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By *erlins5Man
over a year ago
South Fife |
I am not religious but treat Christmas as a family festival, as everyone is off together, which is unusual in these times when working weekends and evenings are the norm for most people. Having said that I will be working Christmas Day. |
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By *erlins5Man
over a year ago
South Fife |
"A time to earn double money on overtime and to drink in excess. Oh yeah. Forget. In 3rd place a time for family. Need church this year big time "
I am working Christmas Day...I wish I was getting double money |
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones "
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it."
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another. |
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it.
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another."
The Romans strategically assimilated local festivals with Roman ones, and this continued when Rome became Christian, eventually forcefully. |
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over a year ago
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it.
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another.
The Romans strategically assimilated local festivals with Roman ones, and this continued when Rome became Christian, eventually forcefully."
That's a better explanation |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
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Never said it bothered me, if anything I love Watching it ... the prep, lights on for 8 weeks.
Same family, moans about climate change and price of electricity ... its the best comedy out when your an atheist |
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
I suspect you misunderstand, wilfully or otherwise."
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
Never said it bothered me, if anything I love Watching it ... the prep, lights on for 8 weeks.
Same family, moans about climate change and price of electricity ... its the best comedy out when your an atheist "
I don't know the family you speak of, so can't comment on thier personal circumstances.
As for power consumption during the festive period, the UK as a whole are using more sustainable and environmentally friendly methods of power generation compared to that from the turn of the millennium.
They pay for it, let them use it. |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it.
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another.
The Romans strategically assimilated local festivals with Roman ones, and this continued when Rome became Christian, eventually forcefully."
Christian stole from Romans, Romans stole from pagan ... few years down the line Christian killed pagans |
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it.
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another.
The Romans strategically assimilated local festivals with Roman ones, and this continued when Rome became Christian, eventually forcefully.
Christian stole from Romans, Romans stole from pagan ... few years down the line Christian killed pagans "
Err... not really |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
Never said it bothered me, if anything I love Watching it ... the prep, lights on for 8 weeks.
Same family, moans about climate change and price of electricity ... its the best comedy out when your an atheist
I don't know the family you speak of, so can't comment on thier personal circumstances.
As for power consumption during the festive period, the UK as a whole are using more sustainable and environmentally friendly methods of power generation compared to that from the turn of the millennium.
They pay for it, let them use it."
More sustainable then switching off?  |
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over a year ago
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it.
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another.
The Romans strategically assimilated local festivals with Roman ones, and this continued when Rome became Christian, eventually forcefully.
Christian stole from Romans, Romans stole from pagan ... few years down the line Christian killed pagans "
Romans were pagans. |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it.
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another.
The Romans strategically assimilated local festivals with Roman ones, and this continued when Rome became Christian, eventually forcefully.
Christian stole from Romans, Romans stole from pagan ... few years down the line Christian killed pagans
Romans were pagans."
Well yes, but once it became Catholic and still an empire |
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
Never said it bothered me, if anything I love Watching it ... the prep, lights on for 8 weeks.
Same family, moans about climate change and price of electricity ... its the best comedy out when your an atheist
I don't know the family you speak of, so can't comment on thier personal circumstances.
As for power consumption during the festive period, the UK as a whole are using more sustainable and environmentally friendly methods of power generation compared to that from the turn of the millennium.
They pay for it, let them use it.
More sustainable then switching off? "
Why should the switch off. If they are paying for service to light up thier house like a NASA space launch, then let them crack on.
Running lights especially LV LED's consume far less power than switching on a kettle or using a microwave.
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over a year ago
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
Never said it bothered me, if anything I love Watching it ... the prep, lights on for 8 weeks.
Same family, moans about climate change and price of electricity ... its the best comedy out when your an atheist
I don't know the family you speak of, so can't comment on thier personal circumstances.
As for power consumption during the festive period, the UK as a whole are using more sustainable and environmentally friendly methods of power generation compared to that from the turn of the millennium.
They pay for it, let them use it.
More sustainable then switching off?
Why should the switch off. If they are paying for service to light up thier house like a NASA space launch, then let them crack on.
Running lights especially LV LED's consume far less power than switching on a kettle or using a microwave.
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Yep stuff like kettles with elements in drain electricity. |
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it.
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another.
The Romans strategically assimilated local festivals with Roman ones, and this continued when Rome became Christian, eventually forcefully.
Christian stole from Romans, Romans stole from pagan ... few years down the line Christian killed pagans
Romans were pagans.
Well yes, but once it became Catholic and still an empire"
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it.
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another.
The Romans strategically assimilated local festivals with Roman ones, and this continued when Rome became Christian, eventually forcefully.
Christian stole from Romans, Romans stole from pagan ... few years down the line Christian killed pagans
Romans were pagans.
Well yes, but once it became Catholic and still an empire"
So Christians stole it from pagans lol. |
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We are both atheists but love Christmas time. I think most sensible people can see that something can have dual meaning to different groups.
To Christian people it is a religious celebration that includes family time and activities. For atheists like ourselves its a culturally and socially significant period where we try and spend time with family but not the religious element.
Its a common time that brings many people together, particularly from western predominately Christian backgrounds. Most people see it that way rather than judging how people chose to spend their time or try and find moral high grounds.
If people want to spend their time praying, more power to them. If they want to wrap themselves in fairy lights and dance the funky chicken then more power to them.
Its also, as I'm sure you're aware, incredibly common for people to celebrate it. Implying they're just jumping on the bandwagon this year is a slightly odd position to take. |
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"We are both atheists but love Christmas time. I think most sensible people can see that something can have dual meaning to different groups.
To Christian people it is a religious celebration that includes family time and activities. For atheists like ourselves its a culturally and socially significant period where we try and spend time with family but not the religious element.
Its a common time that brings many people together, particularly from western predominately Christian backgrounds. Most people see it that way rather than judging how people chose to spend their time or try and find moral high grounds.
If people want to spend their time praying, more power to them. If they want to wrap themselves in fairy lights and dance the funky chicken then more power to them.
Its also, as I'm sure you're aware, incredibly common for people to celebrate it. Implying they're just jumping on the bandwagon this year is a slightly odd position to take."
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"We are both atheists but love Christmas time. I think most sensible people can see that something can have dual meaning to different groups.
To Christian people it is a religious celebration that includes family time and activities. For atheists like ourselves its a culturally and socially significant period where we try and spend time with family but not the religious element.
Its a common time that brings many people together, particularly from western predominately Christian backgrounds. Most people see it that way rather than judging how people chose to spend their time or try and find moral high grounds.
If people want to spend their time praying, more power to them. If they want to wrap themselves in fairy lights and dance the funky chicken then more power to them.
Its also, as I'm sure you're aware, incredibly common for people to celebrate it. Implying they're just jumping on the bandwagon this year is a slightly odd position to take."
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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ? "
Personally find religions and God(s) very interesting. I wasn’t aware that because I do not follow a religion I shouldn’t be knowledgeable or interested in them.
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Atheists are simply people who believe in one less god than religious people.
There have been about 7000 different gods worshipped over the history of man. Religious people don't believe in 6999 of them where as atheists don't believe in 7000. |
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ? "
You need to know about religion or god to be able to have opinion on the matter.
You cant claim atheism without knowledge can ya? Lol
The more religoins you know, the more atheist you get. I personally have knowledge of about 3 main ones and a few smaller ones |
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it.
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another.
The Romans strategically assimilated local festivals with Roman ones, and this continued when Rome became Christian, eventually forcefully.
Christian stole from Romans, Romans stole from pagan ... few years down the line Christian killed pagans
Romans were pagans."
Pagan is a bit of a loose term that was generally used to describe just about anything that wasn't Christian.
It actually originated as a way of describing a 'country dweller' and was an insult along the lines of 'country bumpkin'.
It became more acceptabLe with the advent of neo-paganism in the mid 1950's and the repeal of the 1735 Witchcraft Act.
I know stuff. |
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"Obviously don't give to much interest about Christmas, but shows the very selectively of the British public.
99 times out of 100 the public couldn't give a toss about religious festivals unless time off from work is mentioned.
Now its covid v Christmas... cue Harry Hill.
All those that couldn't give a toss come out fighting for the religious festival.
Makes an atheist scratch his head in wonder "
I'm not much of a believer, however I normally have a gathering of friends over around the winter solstice, we chat rubbish, eat together and drink plenty of plonk. The shortest day and longest night is something to celebrate and doesn't involve jolly fat men climbing down my chimney. Good cheer I hand out all year round...
Plus everyone tends to be free before things get busy for Christmas. |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
Yep it was a time for family for pagans before the Christian's stole it.
I'm not sure Christians stole it, more overlayed one religious celebration with another.
The Romans strategically assimilated local festivals with Roman ones, and this continued when Rome became Christian, eventually forcefully.
Christian stole from Romans, Romans stole from pagan ... few years down the line Christian killed pagans
Romans were pagans.
Pagan is a bit of a loose term that was generally used to describe just about anything that wasn't Christian.
It actually originated as a way of describing a 'country dweller' and was an insult along the lines of 'country bumpkin'.
It became more acceptabLe with the advent of neo-paganism in the mid 1950's and the repeal of the 1735 Witchcraft Act.
I know stuff. "
Quite so, anyone who wasn't Catholic ... substitute it with Christian when the empire was in full flow, as in the British empire.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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Christmas goes back to pagen times it is the middle of winter and people would drink and party as no work to be done it is celebrated by all religions in verious forms.The Christian church adopted it to fit in with the calender etc.
Christ was born in January anyway fact
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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago
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"Christmas goes back to pagen times it is the middle of winter and people would drink and party as no work to be done it is celebrated by all religions in verious forms.The Christian church adopted it to fit in with the calender etc.
Christ was born in January anyway fact
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“Christmas” doesn’t .... Saturnalia was Roman, Sol Invinctus was Viking and the customs became adopted by Christianity. It is the winter solstice that is important and features in Judaism and across the Middle East and in China. So people who challenge why other religions (or those of no religions) celebrate at that time of year should do a little digging. |
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"It is the winter solstice that is important and features in Judaism and across the Middle East and in China. So people who challenge why other religions (or those of no religions) celebrate at that time of year should do a little digging. "
The winter solstice is marginaly a little earlier than 25 December as it is dictated by day length rather than having a fixed date like Christmas.
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"It is the winter solstice that is important and features in Judaism and across the Middle East and in China. So people who challenge why other religions (or those of no religions) celebrate at that time of year should do a little digging.
The winter solstice is marginaly a little earlier than 25 December as it is dictated by day length rather than having a fixed date like Christmas.
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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago
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"It is the winter solstice that is important and features in Judaism and across the Middle East and in China. So people who challenge why other religions (or those of no religions) celebrate at that time of year should do a little digging.
The winter solstice is marginaly a little earlier than 25 December as it is dictated by day length rather than having a fixed date like Christmas.
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I know. Pagans celebrated not the shortest day but a couple of days after as it was the seeing out the winter. The date itself is largely irrelevant as calendars have changed and we’ve lost a few days here and there. But there is opinion that the Romans thought december 25th was the shortest day.
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It was a festival that predated Christianity, so it's a very ancient festival that all our ancestors perhaps have enjoyed for well over 2,000 years.
It was a key point after the shortest day probably, it could have been a countdown to the better weather in the future -possibly feeding ourselves up with last summer's harvest to help us get through the cold to come.
If people can still get together, whenever it is, it can still represent our struggle and survival, celebrating our love and spirit |
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian."
but i guess the point is if its not for religion then its just for self indulgent pleasure and this yea maybe given all the ither sacrifices people have made (like their job and freedom and attending loved ones funerals ) maybe we should pitch in by missing out on a holiday for self indulgent pleasure
of course the flip side is people feel like they need gat family connection and reason to celebrate more than ever |
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"I don't think that many people actually think of it as Christ mass. The word Christmas is just shorthand for winter celebration to lots of people really.
I call it Christmas because most people know what I'm referring to but I'm not Christian.
but i guess the point is if its not for religion then its just for self indulgent pleasure and this yea maybe given all the ither sacrifices people have made (like their job and freedom and attending loved ones funerals ) maybe we should pitch in by missing out on a holiday for self indulgent pleasure
of course the flip side is people feel like they need gat family connection and reason to celebrate more than ever "
Festivals are part of human nature and have existed through time one way or another. They keep
Us connected, either to faith or just to each other, a common shared ideal or, for some, just an excuse for hedonism. The consumer waste of Christmas (and other major festivals) is very modern though,
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By *irginieWoman
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
It's equally as dogmatic and preachy as any other religion and yes, atheism is a religion too.
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Erm. Incorrect. Well.... almost. Atheism can mean “against all god” which can turn it into a dogma. However atheism properly applied means “no belief in any god” which is then as far from dogma as you can go.
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
It's equally as dogmatic and preachy as any other religion and yes, atheism is a religion too.
Erm. Incorrect. Well.... almost. Atheism can mean “against all god” which can turn it into a dogma. However atheism properly applied means “no belief in any god” which is then as far from dogma as you can go.
V x "
The approach many take is very dogmatic despite what the proper meaning of atheism is or isn't.
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
Never said it bothered me, if anything I love Watching it ... the prep, lights on for 8 weeks.
Same family, moans about climate change and price of electricity ... its the best comedy out when your an atheist "
You seem, er, easily amused 
For someone who says it doesn’t bother you, you’re making a lot of contributions ITT |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
Never said it bothered me, if anything I love Watching it ... the prep, lights on for 8 weeks.
Same family, moans about climate change and price of electricity ... its the best comedy out when your an atheist
You seem, er, easily amused
For someone who says it doesn’t bother you, you’re making a lot of contributions ITT "
human behaviour always amuses me, as pointed out earlier families will spend hundreds on decorations etc before that fireworks and halloween ...
then in the next breath plead poverty, and worse imho never get off their arses for remembrance day  |
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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
Never said it bothered me, if anything I love Watching it ... the prep, lights on for 8 weeks.
Same family, moans about climate change and price of electricity ... its the best comedy out when your an atheist
You seem, er, easily amused
For someone who says it doesn’t bother you, you’re making a lot of contributions ITT
human behaviour always amuses me, as pointed out earlier families will spend hundreds on decorations etc before that fireworks and halloween ...
then in the next breath plead poverty, and worse imho never get off their arses for remembrance day "
It sounds like you're against having fun and celebrating something. Just stay in and ignore the party people |
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
Never said it bothered me, if anything I love Watching it ... the prep, lights on for 8 weeks.
Same family, moans about climate change and price of electricity ... its the best comedy out when your an atheist
You seem, er, easily amused
For someone who says it doesn’t bother you, you’re making a lot of contributions ITT
human behaviour always amuses me, as pointed out earlier families will spend hundreds on decorations etc before that fireworks and halloween ...
then in the next breath plead poverty, and worse imho never get off their arses for remembrance day "
Compared to a lot of other countries, we’re still pretty free.
People can celebrate or not as they see fit. If they want to go to church once a year that’s fine as well.
Millions of people do stop for remembrance, and you have the right not to stop for it as well.
I don’t have kids, but I think a lot of people are motivated as well by wanting their kids to have great memories of special family occasions. |
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"Obviously don't give to much interest about Christmas, but shows the very selectively of the British public.
99 times out of 100 the public couldn't give a toss about religious festivals unless time off from work is mentioned.
Now its covid v Christmas... cue Harry Hill.
All those that couldn't give a toss come out fighting for the religious festival.
Makes an atheist scratch his head in wonder "
Crikey, christmas is a family celebration in many households and nothing to do with religion. |
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"Always wondered why people need a religious festival to meet family/spend a day etc ...
Wondering around the neighbourhood and yes the lights are out all over the houses already, again poses questions in my mind as the families are not religious
Perhaps there's a new religious order in the world of social media and keeping up with the Jones
Why let it bother you?
People have several ways of enjoying themselves, be it in celebration of a religious figure or they just like the social aspect of the festive season.
It sounds like your just having a moan because some folks have lights and decorations up already.
Never said it bothered me, if anything I love Watching it ... the prep, lights on for 8 weeks.
Same family, moans about climate change and price of electricity ... its the best comedy out when your an atheist
You seem, er, easily amused
For someone who says it doesn’t bother you, you’re making a lot of contributions ITT "
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"Obviously don't give to much interest about Christmas, but shows the very selectively of the British public.
99 times out of 100 the public couldn't give a toss about religious festivals unless time off from work is mentioned.
Now its covid v Christmas... cue Harry Hill.
All those that couldn't give a toss come out fighting for the religious festival.
Makes an atheist scratch his head in wonder
Crikey, christmas is a family celebration in many households and nothing to do with religion."
You'd think a self proclaimed Atheist would know more about the origins of these festivals. Unless naturally the understanding of what Atheism is in the first place is also packing. |
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over a year ago
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
It's equally as dogmatic and preachy as any other religion and yes, atheism is a religion too.
Erm. Incorrect. Well.... almost. Atheism can mean “against all god” which can turn it into a dogma. However atheism properly applied means “no belief in any god” which is then as far from dogma as you can go.
V x
The approach many take is very dogmatic despite what the proper meaning of atheism is or isn't.
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Agree. Those who avoid to accept others’ choices or ideas, choosing to think they are unreasonable are found across all areas of our lives. One might say a bit like the starting proposition that non Christians enjoying Christmas makes no sense.
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Christmas as a celebration really has nothing to do with Christ all the festivities and traditions associated with it came from other practices and beliefs.
I’m more than happy to celebrate the end of the year with a big feast and fun. God jul til alle ! |
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
It's equally as dogmatic and preachy as any other religion and yes, atheism is a religion too.
Erm. Incorrect. Well.... almost. Atheism can mean “against all god” which can turn it into a dogma. However atheism properly applied means “no belief in any god” which is then as far from dogma as you can go.
V x "
It can be flexibly used to cover both positions, but I feel it's most commonly used to imply an active position against God, not a passive dismissal. That comes from from Apatheism, which I often try and sit. I don't want to spend time arguing against a God, I just want it all to go away and not affect my life.
Until I find someone on the Internet who is wrong. |
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Also an atheist here, have no problem with Christmas as for me it’s fun for children and a great time to socialise with friends and family... most don’t actually care about the religious significance of it anyway (and the Christian tradition is as mentioned previously actually co-opted from Pagan festivals).
As for religion itself, I have no problem with anyone believing what they want.... UNTIL it starts to infringe on me and my rights or those of others |
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By *irginieWoman
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
It's equally as dogmatic and preachy as any other religion and yes, atheism is a religion too.
Erm. Incorrect. Well.... almost. Atheism can mean “against all god” which can turn it into a dogma. However atheism properly applied means “no belief in any god” which is then as far from dogma as you can go.
V x
It can be flexibly used to cover both positions, but I feel it's most commonly used to imply an active position against God, not a passive dismissal. That comes from from Apatheism, which I often try and sit. I don't want to spend time arguing against a God, I just want it all to go away and not affect my life.
Until I find someone on the Internet who is wrong."
But apathy assumes a lack of interest which is fine of course. I take an interested atheist position because (you may have guessed) I love the subject matter.
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
It's equally as dogmatic and preachy as any other religion and yes, atheism is a religion too.
Erm. Incorrect. Well.... almost. Atheism can mean “against all god” which can turn it into a dogma. However atheism properly applied means “no belief in any god” which is then as far from dogma as you can go.
V x
It can be flexibly used to cover both positions, but I feel it's most commonly used to imply an active position against God, not a passive dismissal. That comes from from Apatheism, which I often try and sit. I don't want to spend time arguing against a God, I just want it all to go away and not affect my life.
Until I find someone on the Internet who is wrong.
But apathy assumes a lack of interest which is fine of course. I take an interested atheist position because (you may have guessed) I love the subject matter.
V x "
Agnostics are the ones who don't care either way. |
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"Obviously don't give to much interest about Christmas, but shows the very selectively of the British public.
99 times out of 100 the public couldn't give a toss about religious festivals unless time off from work is mentioned.
Now its covid v Christmas... cue Harry Hill.
All those that couldn't give a toss come out fighting for the religious festival.
Makes an atheist scratch his head in wonder "
Glad to see someone working on the 25th .....
I plan on celebrating and keeping to the rules |
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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
It's equally as dogmatic and preachy as any other religion and yes, atheism is a religion too.
Erm. Incorrect. Well.... almost. Atheism can mean “against all god” which can turn it into a dogma. However atheism properly applied means “no belief in any god” which is then as far from dogma as you can go.
V x
It can be flexibly used to cover both positions, but I feel it's most commonly used to imply an active position against God, not a passive dismissal. That comes from from Apatheism, which I often try and sit. I don't want to spend time arguing against a God, I just want it all to go away and not affect my life.
Until I find someone on the Internet who is wrong.
But apathy assumes a lack of interest which is fine of course. I take an interested atheist position because (you may have guessed) I love the subject matter.
V x
Agnostics are the ones who don't care either way."
Agnostics say I’ll believe in a God when I have evidence. . The basis being that you can’t know something that isn’t known.
It’s a bit of a cop out. But gets round the “you shouldn’t have Christmas” argument. As an agnostic you’d have Christmas just in case
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i kinda think the whole religious argument of it is null and void anyway or people would just be arguing they want christmas mass ... jesus (for those who believe) couldnt care less if you have a turkey and twelve folk round the table |
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"i kinda think the whole religious argument of it is null and void anyway or people would just be arguing they want christmas mass ... jesus (for those who believe) couldnt care less if you have a turkey and twelve folk round the table "
This! |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
You need to know about religion or god to be able to have opinion on the matter.
You cant claim atheism without knowledge can ya? Lol
The more religoins you know, the more atheist you get. I personally have knowledge of about 3 main ones and a few smaller ones "
I wasn’t suggesting atheists can’t have an opinion , just they so often seem to be the ones starting debates about the nature of faith and god and attacking it. Personally I don’t have faith in atheism, but I don’t feel the need to attack it, if people choose to believe they know everything in the whole universe and science has all the answers to everything that’s their choice. Because to categorically say God doesn’t exist, you must know everything there is to know. |
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Christmas isn't really a religious festival, it was stolen from the Pagans. I have read the bible and Santa is mentioned once.
Xmas is a season of family time, tradition and parties.
Cal
I THINK you meant to say "...Santa ISN'T mentioned once.".
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You obviously missed the part where Santa swoops down on his sleigh and delivers gold, frankincense and myrrh. |
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
You need to know about religion or god to be able to have opinion on the matter.
You cant claim atheism without knowledge can ya? Lol
The more religoins you know, the more atheist you get. I personally have knowledge of about 3 main ones and a few smaller ones
I wasn’t suggesting atheists can’t have an opinion , just they so often seem to be the ones starting debates about the nature of faith and god and attacking it. Personally I don’t have faith in atheism, but I don’t feel the need to attack it, if people choose to believe they know everything in the whole universe and science has all the answers to everything that’s their choice. Because to categorically say God doesn’t exist, you must know everything there is to know."
The Bible categorically says that no other Gods exist. And that's OK? That's fact?
There are so many Gods across all religion, I only believe in one fewer than all the Christians in the world. |
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
You need to know about religion or god to be able to have opinion on the matter.
You cant claim atheism without knowledge can ya? Lol
The more religoins you know, the more atheist you get. I personally have knowledge of about 3 main ones and a few smaller ones
I wasn’t suggesting atheists can’t have an opinion , just they so often seem to be the ones starting debates about the nature of faith and god and attacking it. Personally I don’t have faith in atheism, but I don’t feel the need to attack it, if people choose to believe they know everything in the whole universe and science has all the answers to everything that’s their choice. Because to categorically say God doesn’t exist, you must know everything there is to know.
The Bible categorically says that no other Gods exist. And that's OK? That's fact?
There are so many Gods across all religion, I only believe in one fewer than all the Christians in the world. "
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Lad I work with had his son christened last year i said I didn't realise you are religious he said what's it got to do with religion and he genuinely didn't know been christened was the accepting in to the church he just thought it was something you do and then have a party after. |
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"Lad I work with had his son christened last year i said I didn't realise you are religious he said what's it got to do with religion and he genuinely didn't know been christened was the accepting in to the church he just thought it was something you do and then have a party after. "
We've family who always make a big show of things like this. Just some crass Keeping Up Appearences nonsense. An excuse to hire a marquee. Seems so tasteless watching them sing the hymns and do all that ritual now having a clue what it's about or ever going back save for Christmas hymns. |
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
You need to know about religion or god to be able to have opinion on the matter.
You cant claim atheism without knowledge can ya? Lol
The more religoins you know, the more atheist you get. I personally have knowledge of about 3 main ones and a few smaller ones
I wasn’t suggesting atheists can’t have an opinion , just they so often seem to be the ones starting debates about the nature of faith and god and attacking it. Personally I don’t have faith in atheism, but I don’t feel the need to attack it, if people choose to believe they know everything in the whole universe and science has all the answers to everything that’s their choice. Because to categorically say God doesn’t exist, you must know everything there is to know."
Atheism is the null hypothesis, you don't have to prove a god doesn't exist, the onus is on the religious to prove god does exist. |
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"Obviously don't give to much interest about Christmas, but shows the very selectively of the British public.
99 times out of 100 the public couldn't give a toss about religious festivals unless time off from work is mentioned.
Now its covid v Christmas... cue Harry Hill.
All those that couldn't give a toss come out fighting for the religious festival.
Makes an atheist scratch his head in wonder "
But it’s when the baby Jesus was born to a virgin in a stable surrounded by farm animals and Royalty. What’s so head scratching about that? |
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Christmas as we now know it was adopted into the Christian faith by the romans to convert pagan Saturnist's The plant/God Saturn, was especially celebrated during the festival of Saturnalia each December, perhaps the most famous of the Roman festivals, a time of feasting, role reversals, free speech, gift-giving and revelry. |
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
You need to know about religion or god to be able to have opinion on the matter.
You cant claim atheism without knowledge can ya? Lol
The more religoins you know, the more atheist you get. I personally have knowledge of about 3 main ones and a few smaller ones
I wasn’t suggesting atheists can’t have an opinion , just they so often seem to be the ones starting debates about the nature of faith and god and attacking it. Personally I don’t have faith in atheism, but I don’t feel the need to attack it, if people choose to believe they know everything in the whole universe and science has all the answers to everything that’s their choice. Because to categorically say God doesn’t exist, you must know everything there is to know.
The Bible categorically says that no other Gods exist. And that's OK? That's fact?
There are so many Gods across all religion, I only believe in one fewer than all the Christians in the world.
Christians are about 99.97% atheist "
I'm in that %. I was a baby when I was christened it wasn't my choice. How many people would be religious if it wasn't taught religiously? Only when enquires arrise given facts of all beliefs and make your own mind up. Being taught life lessons and right from wrong doesn't need to come from a Bible. |
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By *irginieWoman
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
You need to know about religion or god to be able to have opinion on the matter.
You cant claim atheism without knowledge can ya? Lol
The more religoins you know, the more atheist you get. I personally have knowledge of about 3 main ones and a few smaller ones
I wasn’t suggesting atheists can’t have an opinion , just they so often seem to be the ones starting debates about the nature of faith and god and attacking it. Personally I don’t have faith in atheism, but I don’t feel the need to attack it, if people choose to believe they know everything in the whole universe and science has all the answers to everything that’s their choice. Because to categorically say God doesn’t exist, you must know everything there is to know."
Atheism actually isn’t quite as you describe, as a totality. The main position is an absence of belief, this is a fairly common position. It is simply “I do not believe”. But there are two other positions... the rejection of belief in God(s) and the narrowest position (when it becomes a dogma) is that “there are no gods”.
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"Why are atheists always talking about religion or God ?
You need to know about religion or god to be able to have opinion on the matter.
You cant claim atheism without knowledge can ya? Lol
The more religoins you know, the more atheist you get. I personally have knowledge of about 3 main ones and a few smaller ones
I wasn’t suggesting atheists can’t have an opinion , just they so often seem to be the ones starting debates about the nature of faith and god and attacking it. Personally I don’t have faith in atheism, but I don’t feel the need to attack it, if people choose to believe they know everything in the whole universe and science has all the answers to everything that’s their choice. Because to categorically say God doesn’t exist, you must know everything there is to know.
Atheism actually isn’t quite as you describe, as a totality. The main position is an absence of belief, this is a fairly common position. It is simply “I do not believe”. But there are two other positions... the rejection of belief in God(s) and the narrowest position (when it becomes a dogma) is that “there are no gods”.
V x "
But they believe there is no God, they reject any deity exists as opposed to agnostics who dont know for sure, because no one can
Know for sure things that science doesn’t yet understand. So in the way that are just as dogmatic as religious people as they hold onto absolute truths |
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I've heard it explained as an axis of knowledge and belief, and I like it. I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I do not know, but I believe not.
Someone can think me dogmatic for that, or think I'm agnostic, but *shrug* no |
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"I've heard it explained as an axis of knowledge and belief, and I like it. I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I do not know, but I believe not.
Someone can think me dogmatic for that, or think I'm agnostic, but *shrug* no"
Nope that’s not dogmatic. My dogmatic comment earlier was about someone saying “atheists are as dogmatic as other religions”.
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"I've heard it explained as an axis of knowledge and belief, and I like it. I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I do not know, but I believe not.
Someone can think me dogmatic for that, or think I'm agnostic, but *shrug* no"
To be fair there is very little difference between an agnostic and an atheist in fact it’s probably a very rickety fence on which one sits. |
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"I've heard it explained as an axis of knowledge and belief, and I like it. I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I do not know, but I believe not.
Someone can think me dogmatic for that, or think I'm agnostic, but *shrug* no
To be fair there is very little difference between an agnostic and an atheist in fact it’s probably a very rickety fence on which one sits."
There’s a key difference, an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves, taking the assertion that it's impossible for human beings to know anything about how the universe was created and whether or not divine beings exist.
An atheist does not believe in any god or deity.
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"I've heard it explained as an axis of knowledge and belief, and I like it. I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I do not know, but I believe not.
Someone can think me dogmatic for that, or think I'm agnostic, but *shrug* no
To be fair there is very little difference between an agnostic and an atheist in fact it’s probably a very rickety fence on which one sits.
There’s a key difference, an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves, taking the assertion that it's impossible for human beings to know anything about how the universe was created and whether or not divine beings exist.
An atheist does not believe in any god or deity.
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As I said one sits on a fence the other doesn’t. I understand the issues and theories on just how it all started and that they are just theories, Lord know poor old Stephen Hawings missed out on a few Nobel prizes because he work could not be fully proved.
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