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Only allowed in with Vacine?

By *urekamanfor2 OP Man over a year ago

Shoreham

Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

Yes ....... obviously some exclusions need apply for medical exemption etc. If you choose not to be vaccinated then that’s a free choice but there has to be consequences for every action in life and this needs to one of them so this doesn’t happen again.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

So at first only people in care homes will be allowed into venues and then people aged over 80 ?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"So at first only people in care homes will be allowed into venues and then people aged over 80 ? "

Yes .... why not? They’ve been locked up for ten months now and had more of their freedom curtailed than everyone else. Why can’t they benefit first from the vaccine?

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By *reenleavesCouple over a year ago

North Wales

All those venues full of the over 65s for the next 6 months

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"All those venues full of the over 65s for the next 6 months

Fair play to them - most have lived in fear and without their loved ones for most part of a year. Surely they deserve something in return

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

If we have a vaccine over the next three months it would be great !!

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By *reenleavesCouple over a year ago

North Wales

"All those venues full of the over 65s for the next 6 months

Fair play to them - most have lived in fear and without their loved ones for most part of a year. Surely they deserve something in return "

From my experience, the people in that age group that I know are the least likely to follow the rules. The number of older people in supermarkets with their masks dangling from an ear or doing the chin hammock...

If the vaccine were freely available to everyone at once then I'd support barring entry to the unvaccinated.

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By *litterbabeWoman over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I don't think people have my age without any health issues would be offered it to let least next year, so that would be unfair.

Also that would mean there would be competition for people to go private and then that would decrease the amount of stock available for the people who are entitled to a free one, I would imagine

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

On your 18th birthday you would need to get a jab before you could go to the pub.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"All those venues full of the over 65s for the next 6 months

Fair play to them - most have lived in fear and without their loved ones for most part of a year. Surely they deserve something in return

If the vaccine were freely available to everyone at once then I'd support barring entry to the unvaccinated. "

I totally disagree - the amount of people in 20-30s ignoring rules and the amount on here still meeting in that age group I see far more people ignoring the rules in this age group.

We start with the most likely to be adversely affected by catching COVID- surely even the most self centred person can see that. I also think it should not be available on the private market.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc"

Would this be at the say of the venue, or do you mean to make it law?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All those venues full of the over 65s for the next 6 months

Fair play to them - most have lived in fear and without their loved ones for most part of a year. Surely they deserve something in return

If the vaccine were freely available to everyone at once then I'd support barring entry to the unvaccinated.

I totally disagree - the amount of people in 20-30s ignoring rules and the amount on here still meeting in that age group I see far more people ignoring the rules in this age group.

We start with the most likely to be adversely affected by catching COVID- surely even the most self centred person can see that. I also think it should not be available on the private market. "

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"All those venues full of the over 65s for the next 6 months

Fair play to them - most have lived in fear and without their loved ones for most part of a year. Surely they deserve something in return

If the vaccine were freely available to everyone at once then I'd support barring entry to the unvaccinated. "

Yep mask dangling and chin hammock is a very common site. They are selfish.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think there’s got to be a degree of pragmatism about it but we certainly need to look seriously at who is allowed where when vaccination begins. What we don’t want to do is end up with a third wave because everyone has become complacent.

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By *edangel_2013Woman over a year ago

southend

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk "

No they aren't. Less than 0.1% of new cases originated in gyms.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk "

Do you have a source for your data to back that up please?

All the data I have studied shows covid transmission in gyms was incredibly low.

In fact even the UK goverments own track and trace covid incident data shows gyms are responsible for a tiny amount of covid transmission.

Looking forward to seeing your data.

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By *erlins5Man over a year ago

South Fife

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk "

I have to admit I feel safer in my local gym than I do in lot of places.... the bingo for instance....I won't be going back there in a hurry even though it is I and my daughter's guilty pleasure, but we both felt unsafe there. The gym users at mine are extremely good at sanitising before and after using the machines and wear masks while moving between areas.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As long as the vaccine actually works

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

In a word, no, OP.

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By *ent in BlackMan over a year ago

Silsden

I think it’s a good plan.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Yes ....... obviously some exclusions need apply for medical exemption etc. If you choose not to be vaccinated then that’s a free choice but there has to be consequences for every action in life and this needs to one of them so this doesn’t happen again. "

Absolutely. Don't help society, don't get all the benefits of society. (Unless you can't for some reason) Your choices come with consequences

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Actually makes me feel a little bit uneasy that someone could come up with such a suggestion so early on and actually consider it and then people agree with it.

Personally I intend to have the vaccine if offered but if you were in charge and I put up opposition to your plan would you put me to the back of the queue I wonder ?

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple over a year ago

walsall

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk "

Gyms closed for foreseeable future due to transmition of virus think you need to check stats

2.2 million visitors to a gym since they reopened and only 70 infections

Not to mention fitter and healthy you are the better chances for you if you catch the virus

Gyms also help mental health

Think going by that they should be opened way before hairdressers or beauty salons there not really needed and offer no help of combating the virus

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think it's amazing that people can be on the side of locking up the medically vulnerable forever, or saying they have a choice between "high risk of death" or "not being a prisoner in your own home"... And then when a big part of a solution to this mess comes out, decline to be part of the solution.

"You are vulnerable through no fault of your own, so you can stay locked up forever" = fair

"I don't want to be part of the solution and I might be penalised for that" = not fair.

It's arse backwards.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Will clubs open up as soon as permitted to cater for “Vaccinated Senior Swingers” as we will be up in the first groups to get it?!

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

"All those venues full of the over 65s for the next 6 months

Fair play to them - most have lived in fear and without their loved ones for most part of a year. Surely they deserve something in return

If the vaccine were freely available to everyone at once then I'd support barring entry to the unvaccinated.

I totally disagree - the amount of people in 20-30s ignoring rules and the amount on here still meeting in that age group I see far more people ignoring the rules in this age group.

We start with the most likely to be adversely affected by catching COVID- surely even the most self centred person can see that. I also think it should not be available on the private market. "

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Gyms closed for foreseeable future due to transmition of virus think you need to check stats

2.2 million visitors to a gym since they reopened and only 70 infections

Not to mention fitter and healthy you are the better chances for you if you catch the virus

Gyms also help mental health

Think going by that they should be opened way before hairdressers or beauty salons there not really needed and offer no help of combating the virus "

They say that cycling uses no time because if you cycle for an hour you add more than an hour to your life span. I expect the same applies to a gym in these times. The chance of a negative outcome from visiting a gym is outweighed by the benefit from exercising.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it's amazing that people can be on the side of locking up the medically vulnerable forever, or saying they have a choice between "high risk of death" or "not being a prisoner in your own home"... And then when a big part of a solution to this mess comes out, decline to be part of the solution.

"You are vulnerable through no fault of your own, so you can stay locked up forever" = fair

"I don't want to be part of the solution and I might be penalised for that" = not fair.

It's arse backwards."

You appear to be operating under the misapprehension that a lot of people give a shit about anyone other than themselves.

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

"As long as the vaccine actually works"

And isn't more dangerous than the disease.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"You are vulnerable through no fault of your own, so you can stay locked up forever" = fair

"I don't want to be part of the solution and I might be penalised for that" = not fair.

It's arse backwards.

You appear to be operating under the misapprehension that a lot of people give a shit about anyone other than themselves."

I live in hope that they do

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By *addyBabygirl2020Couple over a year ago

norwich

It's certainly not a solution seeing as they're will only be enough vaccine to vaccinate a tiny proportion of the population.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You are vulnerable through no fault of your own, so you can stay locked up forever" = fair

"I don't want to be part of the solution and I might be penalised for that" = not fair.

It's arse backwards.

You appear to be operating under the misapprehension that a lot of people give a shit about anyone other than themselves."

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By *lan157Man over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Gyms closed for foreseeable future due to transmition of virus think you need to check stats

2.2 million visitors to a gym since they reopened and only 70 infections

Not to mention fitter and healthy you are the better chances for you if you catch the virus

Gyms also help mental health

Think going by that they should be opened way before hairdressers or beauty salons there not really needed and offer no help of combating the virus "

70 reported infections from gyms ? I had not realised they were such dangerous places . What is the number for hairdressers?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Actually makes me feel a little bit uneasy that someone could come up with such a suggestion so early on and actually consider it and then people agree with it.

Personally I intend to have the vaccine if offered but if you were in charge and I put up opposition to your plan would you put me to the back of the queue I wonder ?

Or maybe sent to the front and forced to have it as then you'll get to be able to tell if it makes your hair drop out and dick limp before you have to have it.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Actually makes me feel a little bit uneasy that someone could come up with such a suggestion so early on and actually consider it and then people agree with it.

Personally I intend to have the vaccine if offered but if you were in charge and I put up opposition to your plan would you put me to the back of the queue I wonder ?

Or maybe sent to the front and forced to have it as then you'll get to be able to tell if it makes your hair drop out and dick limp before you have to have it."

Once it passes appropriate regulatory approval, I'll have it as soon as they'll let me. I trust the safety regulations in all other areas of my life...

(That is if I'm not jabbed in the trial I'm waiting to hear back from)

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman over a year ago

kinky land

There are no plans to 'vaccinate ' everyone, should a vaccine prove to be viable so how would that work?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"It's certainly not a solution seeing as they're will only be enough vaccine to vaccinate a tiny proportion of the population.

There are likely going to be several vaccines -currently 2 with about 95% efficacy. The Oxford vaccine hasn't given any results yet and all will be limited by the delivery staff levels and distribution

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By *orwegian BlueMan over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

"All those venues full of the over 65s for the next 6 months

Fair play to them - most have lived in fear and without their loved ones for most part of a year. Surely they deserve something in return

If the vaccine were freely available to everyone at once then I'd support barring entry to the unvaccinated. "

The older age group are the one more likely to show symptoms sooner and more severely than this in the much younger age brackets who have far higher rates of being asymptomatic.

The vaccination of the older age group, their carers and most vulnerable is the right move to allow for the elderly to be with family they have been isolated from since March.

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By *orwegian BlueMan over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Gyms closed for foreseeable future due to transmition of virus think you need to check stats

2.2 million visitors to a gym since they reopened and only 70 infections

Not to mention fitter and healthy you are the better chances for you if you catch the virus

Gyms also help mental health

Think going by that they should be opened way before hairdressers or beauty salons there not really needed and offer no help of combating the virus

70 reported infections from gyms ? I had not realised they were such dangerous places . What is the number for hairdressers? "

As most gym users are in the younger age category, it follows they are the ones most likely not to have any adverse effects (asymptomatic) and therefore the most likely to spread it to others.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Agreed about the bingo halls. I can't believe how relaxed it was in there when they reopened in July. All that seemed to have changed was that everything was done via table service to stop people wandering around so much, and some tables had been marked unavailable.

The people playing the fruit machines were sat in rows as always, and I didn't witness any social distancing going on.

I couldn't see the gyms being like that.

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By *ountry Boy FreshMan over a year ago

Huddersfield

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc"

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife. "

Government database, or documents with anti forgery measures like currency has. And/or crippling fines for forged vaccine documents

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc"

I've read some nonsense on here and this is right up there with the best of it.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I think it's reasonable for venues to decide their own admission policies, which is typically what wr currently have. Some places are very low risk, when used properly, such as gyms.

There are other ways too, with them all being possibly incremental, such as fast results tests before entry.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

The people playing the fruit machines were sat in rows as always, and I didn't witness any social distancing going on.

I couldn't see the gyms being like that."

If it made you feel that uncomfortable why did you stay there? Genuine question.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

The people playing the fruit machines were sat in rows as always, and I didn't witness any social distancing going on.

I couldn't see the gyms being like that.

If it made you feel that uncomfortable why did you stay there? Genuine question. "

Oh, it didn't make me feel uncomfortable. I was just pointing out how surprised I was that it seemed to be life as normal in there.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"There are no plans to 'vaccinate ' everyone, should a vaccine prove to be viable so how would that work?

"
you get a plastic card saying you have been done

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By *etWetWet453Couple over a year ago

CAMBERLEY

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife. "

My thoughts exactly. Not to mention the cost implications

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife.

My thoughts exactly. Not to mention the cost implications

And the cost of letting a pandemic disease rip?

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife.

My thoughts exactly. Not to mention the cost implications

A fraction of the cost of a covid test.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

The people playing the fruit machines were sat in rows as always, and I didn't witness any social distancing going on.

I couldn't see the gyms being like that.

If it made you feel that uncomfortable why did you stay there? Genuine question.

Oh, it didn't make me feel uncomfortable. I was just pointing out how surprised I was that it seemed to be life as normal in there."

OK thanks for replying, I hope you had a nice win! My bingo has been online, I was was helping to run a bi weekly one where I live, really miss it!

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple over a year ago

walsall

Every one seems to think the vaccine is a defence for covid and all who take it will be immune

Firstly its doesn't work on everyone

Secondly even if it does work it may still not stop you spreading it to non vaccinated people

Thirdly by the sound of it it will need to be topped up yearly so some people may forget or miss the top up deadline

The vaccine will be like any other protection used in swinging it may protect you 90% it may give you a false hope you are protected only to find out your one of the people who it doesn't work for

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Every one seems to think the vaccine is a defence for covid and all who take it will be immune

Firstly its doesn't work on everyone

Secondly even if it does work it may still not stop you spreading it to non vaccinated people

Thirdly by the sound of it it will need to be topped up yearly so some people may forget or miss the top up deadline

The vaccine will be like any other protection used in swinging it may protect you 90% it may give you a false hope you are protected only to find out your one of the people who it doesn't work for

Yup.

And it's a hell of a lot better than anything else we've got right now, so, yay

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Will recipients be tested after vaccination for immunity?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

The people playing the fruit machines were sat in rows as always, and I didn't witness any social distancing going on.

I couldn't see the gyms being like that.

If it made you feel that uncomfortable why did you stay there? Genuine question.

Oh, it didn't make me feel uncomfortable. I was just pointing out how surprised I was that it seemed to be life as normal in there.

OK thanks for replying, I hope you had a nice win! My bingo has been online, I was was helping to run a bi weekly one where I live, really miss it! "

I bet. I go several times a week usually.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Will recipients be tested after vaccination for immunity? "

If the titer test is available I'll take it, although I know that other vaccinations, herd immunity includes those who can't be vaccinated and those for whom the vaccine isn't effective. (Those who *can't* be vaccinated, not those who choose not to be vaccinated)

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

The people playing the fruit machines were sat in rows as always, and I didn't witness any social distancing going on.

I couldn't see the gyms being like that.

If it made you feel that uncomfortable why did you stay there? Genuine question.

Oh, it didn't make me feel uncomfortable. I was just pointing out how surprised I was that it seemed to be life as normal in there.

OK thanks for replying, I hope you had a nice win! My bingo has been online, I was was helping to run a bi weekly one where I live, really miss it!

I bet. I go several times a week usually."

Never thought I'd ever say I enjoy bingo haha.

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By *9089Man over a year ago

Bradford

"So at first only people in care homes will be allowed into venues and then people aged over 80 ? "

As I am getting older, I will be getting closer to the front of the queue

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Will recipients be tested after vaccination for immunity?

I meant do you know will all recipients be routinely offered an immunity test following vaccination? I am in the first group planned to be vaccinated and just wondered if they planned on checking afterwards if it had been effective or are we just presumed to be immune after?

I know some staff who have the hep b jab have bloods after to check if they have developed immunity or not. Wondered if it would be a similar process with this one. P. S my knowledge on vaccines is limited hence the question

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Will recipients be tested after vaccination for immunity?

I don't know. I don't think it's usually routine with other vaccines. (I did have my MMR immunity tested at one point, but that was in pretty specific circumstances)

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By *9089Man over a year ago

Bradford

"Will recipients be tested after vaccination for immunity?

If you have limited knowledge of vaccines, ask Karen on Facebook, she is an expert

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Will recipients be tested after vaccination for immunity?

If you have limited knowledge of vaccines, ask Karen on Facebook, she is an expert"

Maybe try Vincent Racianello's lectures on virology on YouTube (the ones he gives at Columbia University, where he's a professor), or similarly, the introduction to immunology by Brianne Barker on Youtube (the one she teaches at Drew University)

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By *xhib12Man over a year ago

Blyth

"Will clubs open up as soon as permitted to cater for “Vaccinated Senior Swingers” as we will be up in the first groups to get it?!

I knew there had to be some benefit to being older

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc"

No.

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By *iger-NWMan over a year ago

Preston

I thought that at first, but now I am informed that 2% of the population are immune to any sort of vaccine. So the fairest would be a recent negative test result.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I thought that at first, but now I am informed that 2% of the population are immune to any sort of vaccine. So the fairest would be a recent negative test result."

Vaccination programmes tend to also be about protecting those who can't be vaccinated.

I'd be all for "vaccination or medical exemption"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I thought that at first, but now I am informed that 2% of the population are immune to any sort of vaccine. So the fairest would be a recent negative test result."

How though can you be immune to a vaccine ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All those venues full of the over 65s for the next 6 months

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plus nhs staff

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS over a year ago

stockport

My local gym is a darn sight safer than many places due to one way system, social distancing, cleaning routine for both staff and customers, limited time slots.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"I thought that at first, but now I am informed that 2% of the population are immune to any sort of vaccine. So the fairest would be a recent negative test result.

How though can you be immune to a vaccine ?"

It's called non-responders

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

I suggest that you search for the British Medical Journal editorial "Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren't designed to tell us" (as I'm not allowed to link) and start doing some research.

Perhaps someone could tell me why we (rather than big Pharma) need a vaccine for a disease that 99.75% of people survive?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"So at first only people in care homes will be allowed into venues and then people aged over 80 ? "

Should be fun in the mosh pit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk "

Please do your research. The gym industry has one of the lowest infection rate. 28 infections over 5 million gym visits. It has the best record of almost any industry

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As someone in the last group that will get vaccinated, its bullshit. I have worked all the way through this physically at work (yes keyworker).

It could in theory be years before they vaccinate my age group, if ever. That is assuming the vaccine lasts long term not an annual vaccine.

So apart from work and sitting in my home, what will I be allowed to do?

Am I now a second class citizen?

Will I be GPS tagged to ensure I dont venture to anything fun?

What next, loose my vote until the vaccine is available to me?

Will I have to wait 23 years to get basic freedoms back?

Does no one consider this is a slippery slope.

You are suggesting the segregation of society and groups based on vaccine status, derived totally from age, regardless of free agency of choice.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"As someone in the last group that will get vaccinated, its bullshit. I have worked all the way through this physically at work (yes keyworker).

It could in theory be years before they vaccinate my age group, if ever. That is assuming the vaccine lasts long term not an annual vaccine.

So apart from work and sitting in my home, what will I be allowed to do?

Am I now a second class citizen?

Will I be GPS tagged to ensure I dont venture to anything fun?

What next, loose my vote until the vaccine is available to me?

Will I have to wait 23 years to get basic freedoms back?

Does no one consider this is a slippery slope.

You are suggesting the segregation of society and groups based on vaccine status, derived totally from age, regardless of free agency of choice. "

And the people who've been trapped in their houses since this began haven't been treated like second class citizens?

"Yeah you can stay in your house or risk dying. You have a choice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone in the last group that will get vaccinated, its bullshit. I have worked all the way through this physically at work (yes keyworker).

It could in theory be years before they vaccinate my age group, if ever. That is assuming the vaccine lasts long term not an annual vaccine.

So apart from work and sitting in my home, what will I be allowed to do?

Am I now a second class citizen?

Will I be GPS tagged to ensure I dont venture to anything fun?

What next, loose my vote until the vaccine is available to me?

Will I have to wait 23 years to get basic freedoms back?

Does no one consider this is a slippery slope.

You are suggesting the segregation of society and groups based on vaccine status, derived totally from age, regardless of free agency of choice.

And the people who've been trapped in their houses since this began haven't been treated like second class citizens?

"Yeah you can stay in your house or risk dying. You have a choice

But you are suggesting locking people away for possibly the length of a life sentence who have no option under the government plans to get the vaccine.

So what because Im young its my fault and because the government have no plan to vaccinate my age group I am a stain on society.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"As someone in the last group that will get vaccinated, its bullshit. I have worked all the way through this physically at work (yes keyworker).

It could in theory be years before they vaccinate my age group, if ever. That is assuming the vaccine lasts long term not an annual vaccine.

So apart from work and sitting in my home, what will I be allowed to do?

Am I now a second class citizen?

Will I be GPS tagged to ensure I dont venture to anything fun?

What next, loose my vote until the vaccine is available to me?

Will I have to wait 23 years to get basic freedoms back?

Does no one consider this is a slippery slope.

You are suggesting the segregation of society and groups based on vaccine status, derived totally from age, regardless of free agency of choice.

And the people who've been trapped in their houses since this began haven't been treated like second class citizens?

"Yeah you can stay in your house or risk dying. You have a choice

But you are suggesting locking people away for possibly the length of a life sentence who have no option under the government plans to get the vaccine.

So what because Im young its my fault and because the government have no plan to vaccinate my age group I am a stain on society.

No, you're a public health risk.

There's no plan at this stage, but if you're not vaccinated you are a risk to others. That's the way it goes with epidemic disease.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone in the last group that will get vaccinated, its bullshit. I have worked all the way through this physically at work (yes keyworker).

It could in theory be years before they vaccinate my age group, if ever. That is assuming the vaccine lasts long term not an annual vaccine.

So apart from work and sitting in my home, what will I be allowed to do?

Am I now a second class citizen?

Will I be GPS tagged to ensure I dont venture to anything fun?

What next, loose my vote until the vaccine is available to me?

Will I have to wait 23 years to get basic freedoms back?

Does no one consider this is a slippery slope.

You are suggesting the segregation of society and groups based on vaccine status, derived totally from age, regardless of free agency of choice.

And the people who've been trapped in their houses since this began haven't been treated like second class citizens?

"Yeah you can stay in your house or risk dying. You have a choice

But you are suggesting locking people away for possibly the length of a life sentence who have no option under the government plans to get the vaccine.

So what because Im young its my fault and because the government have no plan to vaccinate my age group I am a stain on society.

No, you're a public health risk.

There's no plan at this stage, but if you're not vaccinated you are a risk to others. That's the way it goes with epidemic disease."

So where would you want the camps building to keep us in. Would you want us to forfeit our property too. What about peoples children, should they be taken off them? All because the government say we cant have the vaccine. Should we be removed from our jobs too?

Made to wear an emblem on our clothes to point out to the real citizens that we are not clean?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"As someone in the last group that will get vaccinated, its bullshit. I have worked all the way through this physically at work (yes keyworker).

It could in theory be years before they vaccinate my age group, if ever. That is assuming the vaccine lasts long term not an annual vaccine.

So apart from work and sitting in my home, what will I be allowed to do?

Am I now a second class citizen?

Will I be GPS tagged to ensure I dont venture to anything fun?

What next, loose my vote until the vaccine is available to me?

Will I have to wait 23 years to get basic freedoms back?

Does no one consider this is a slippery slope.

You are suggesting the segregation of society and groups based on vaccine status, derived totally from age, regardless of free agency of choice.

And the people who've been trapped in their houses since this began haven't been treated like second class citizens?

"Yeah you can stay in your house or risk dying. You have a choice

But you are suggesting locking people away for possibly the length of a life sentence who have no option under the government plans to get the vaccine.

So what because Im young its my fault and because the government have no plan to vaccinate my age group I am a stain on society.

No, you're a public health risk.

There's no plan at this stage, but if you're not vaccinated you are a risk to others. That's the way it goes with epidemic disease."

Hardly his fault if there are no plans for his age group is it? I think you are being a bit harsh tbh.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"As someone in the last group that will get vaccinated, its bullshit. I have worked all the way through this physically at work (yes keyworker).

It could in theory be years before they vaccinate my age group, if ever. That is assuming the vaccine lasts long term not an annual vaccine.

So apart from work and sitting in my home, what will I be allowed to do?

Am I now a second class citizen?

Will I be GPS tagged to ensure I dont venture to anything fun?

What next, loose my vote until the vaccine is available to me?

Will I have to wait 23 years to get basic freedoms back?

Does no one consider this is a slippery slope.

You are suggesting the segregation of society and groups based on vaccine status, derived totally from age, regardless of free agency of choice.

And the people who've been trapped in their houses since this began haven't been treated like second class citizens?

"Yeah you can stay in your house or risk dying. You have a choice

But you are suggesting locking people away for possibly the length of a life sentence who have no option under the government plans to get the vaccine.

So what because Im young its my fault and because the government have no plan to vaccinate my age group I am a stain on society.

No, you're a public health risk.

There's no plan at this stage, but if you're not vaccinated you are a risk to others. That's the way it goes with epidemic disease.

Made to wear an emblem on our clothes to point out to the real citizens that we are not clean? "

Let me know where and when you go to the non vax camp, I'll be right with you as I'm not having it. Perhaps they will tattoo us as well, just for good measure.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

No, you're a public health risk.

There's no plan at this stage, but if you're not vaccinated you are a risk to others. That's the way it goes with epidemic disease.

Hardly his fault if there are no plans for his age group is it? I think you are being a bit harsh tbh.

I didn't say "therefore we do xyz"

If you're capable of spreading an epidemic disease you're a public health risk. I didn't say that anyone is a bad person, it's not a moral judgement.

Right now we're all public health risks.

When people are vaccinated our risks to others will be reduced.

You're still a good person, you're still a citizen, etc. But if you can spread the disease you're a risk.

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By *uttyandbeeCouple over a year ago

Leeds

"So at first only people in care homes will be allowed into venues and then people aged over 80 ? "
The clubs could promote the old crowd pleaser

Grab a Granny night

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So at first only people in care homes will be allowed into venues and then people aged over 80 ? The clubs could promote the old crowd pleaser

Grab a Granny night

My wife is a granny and I grab her any chance I get

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"So at first only people in care homes will be allowed into venues and then people aged over 80 ? The clubs could promote the old crowd pleaser

Grab a Granny night

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

Got to laugh.

One minute people are saying that the old and vulnerable people just need to be locked away so they can get on with their lives, but now the vaccine is going to the old and vulnerable first, people are complaining about even the possibility of being locked away.

Not so much fun now is it?

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

This vaccination programme will take a couple of years in my opinion.

There are many logistical issues to sort out including who will give them, how do you accomodate people that have had the jab for 15 mins afterwards, delegated responsibility if volenteers are to give these, storage to name a few. It will be interesting to see the strategy to deliver this.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Got to laugh.

Not so much fun now is it?

I talked to someone yesterday who had a doctor's appointment. You'd think she'd gone to Disney World. It was amazing.

First trip out of the house since February. She was so grateful. And it was the doctor!

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By *ljamMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"As someone in the last group that will get vaccinated, its bullshit. I have worked all the way through this physically at work (yes keyworker).

It could in theory be years before they vaccinate my age group, if ever. That is assuming the vaccine lasts long term not an annual vaccine.

So apart from work and sitting in my home, what will I be allowed to do?

Am I now a second class citizen?

Will I be GPS tagged to ensure I dont venture to anything fun?

What next, loose my vote until the vaccine is available to me?

Will I have to wait 23 years to get basic freedoms back?

Does no one consider this is a slippery slope.

You are suggesting the segregation of society and groups based on vaccine status, derived totally from age, regardless of free agency of choice.

And the people who've been trapped in their houses since this began haven't been treated like second class citizens?

"Yeah you can stay in your house or risk dying. You have a choice

But you are suggesting locking people away for possibly the length of a life sentence who have no option under the government plans to get the vaccine.

So what because Im young its my fault and because the government have no plan to vaccinate my age group I am a stain on society.

No, you're a public health risk.

There's no plan at this stage, but if you're not vaccinated you are a risk to others. That's the way it goes with epidemic disease.

Made to wear an emblem on our clothes to point out to the real citizens that we are not clean? "

Are you, even in just, really comparing young people who might be a bit further down the vaccination queue with victims of the holocaust? You're a rocket.

On a totally unrelated note, if they ever created a vaccine for stupidity isn't it ironic the people who need it most would refuse it.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

I talked to someone yesterday who had a doctor's appointment. You'd think she'd gone to Disney World. It was amazing.

First trip out of the house since February. She was so grateful. And it was the doctor!"

Bet she went to a rave really...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I talked to someone yesterday who had a doctor's appointment. You'd think she'd gone to Disney World. It was amazing.

First trip out of the house since February. She was so grateful. And it was the doctor!

Bet she went to a rave really...

She really really wants to go to church. Really really.

But she had a ride in the car and everything. And the masks were weird but she saw people, lots of people, it was wonderful.

... It was the doctor!

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

Having just read that a full vaccination program for this country would need to be in full effect by next autumn for things to begin to return to normality by next winter. There is no quick fix to this even with a vaccine, so clubs and the like are a long long way off. We will still be in for the long haul so people need to be prepared to endure a whole lot more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk "

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

"This vaccination programme will take a couple of years in my opinion.

The vaccine can be stored in an ordinary fridge for up to 5 days. It's a intramuscular injection so Drs, Nurses, Pharmacists, Physios and Vets could do it. But Boris will probably award the contract to Vaccines R Us. A newly created company that will use nurses from the Philippines and India robbing the taxpayer in the process.

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By *exycouplemmmmCouple over a year ago

Surrey

I have no intention of taking the vaccine. It’s my personal choice. I just think it’s too early for me to be convinced it’s been tested/safe. I do wear a mask, and have been sticking to the rules. But I hate taking any medication and never been interested in drugs... as I hate the thought of something going into my body I have no control over. And I would rather stay home these days

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh. "

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections "

So the eat out to help out didnt then.

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By *uadzillaMan over a year ago

Warwickshire

100% NO

My body My Choice

It's just another way of saying mandatory vaccination, they won't force you to have it but you won't be able to go here or there or work or shop if you don't have it etc etc so mandatory then!!

For a virus that is safe 99.7% of the time it should definitely not be mandatory or feel like an outsider because you choose my body my choice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections "

Source ?

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?"

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk."

So no direct source.

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

So no direct source."

I have supplied the title of the article and name of the publication. Serina Y Chang, Emma Pierson, Pang Wei Koh, Jaline Gerardin, Beth Redbird, David Grusky, Jure Leskovec are the authors. What more do you need?

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By *ljamMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

So no direct source."

Since you're either incapable or too lazy to use Google yourself, I expect this is the article referred to:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03140-4

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

So no direct source.

Since you're either incapable or too lazy to use Google yourself, I expect this is the article referred to:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03140-4"

Last person to call me lazy finished off kissing the pavement

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By *ljamMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

So no direct source.

Since you're either incapable or too lazy to use Google yourself, I expect this is the article referred to:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03140-4

Last person to call me lazy finished off kissing the pavement

Well I can see how a pavement could make a more attractive kissing partner than you. It'd definitely provide more sense in a conversation.

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

So no direct source.

Since you're either incapable or too lazy to use Google yourself, I expect this is the article referred to:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03140-4

Last person to call me lazy finished off kissing the pavement

Ok, using a search engine isn't your thing.

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

"Every one seems to think the vaccine is a defence for covid and all who take it will be immune

Firstly its doesn't work on everyone

Secondly even if it does work it may still not stop you spreading it to non vaccinated people

Thirdly by the sound of it it will need to be topped up yearly so some people may forget or miss the top up deadline

The vaccine will be like any other protection used in swinging it may protect you 90% it may give you a false hope you are protected only to find out your one of the people who it doesn't work for

"
All valid points and

the real question is this .. At what point is it considered safe to remove restrictions once the vaccine starts rolling out ?

Obviously vunerable groups first plus health workers .. but after that what happens ? ID cards etc won't work plus it leads to a two tier system which would be unworkable. I can see restrictions being in place long into next year.

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By *orwegian BlueMan over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

So no direct source."

Surely it is simply obvious?

The longer you stay in close proximity to someone with the virus, the higher your risk of catching the virus.

Likewise, the greater the number of people in a confined environment, the higher the probability that one of those people will have the virus.

It really isn't rocket science is it?

Analogy.. if you walk across a minor road with a speed limit of 20mph, your risk of being run over and killed is minimal.

If you walk across the M25 (not in rush hour), your risk of being killed is far higher.

That is probability (and common sense), it is not the Green cross code..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

So no direct source.

Surely it is simply obvious?

The longer you stay in close proximity to someone with the virus, the higher your risk of catching the virus.

Likewise, the greater the number of people in a confined environment, the higher the probability that one of those people will have the virus.

It really isn't rocket science is it?

Analogy.. if you walk across a minor road with a speed limit of 20mph, your risk of being run over and killed is minimal.

If you walk across the M25 (not in rush hour), your risk of being killed is far higher.

That is probability (and common sense), it is not the Green cross code.. "

Like schools?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

So no direct source.

Since you're either incapable or too lazy to use Google yourself, I expect this is the article referred to:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03140-4

Last person to call me lazy finished off kissing the pavement

Well I can see how a pavement could make a more attractive kissing partner than you. It'd definitely provide more sense in a conversation. "

36 years together.

Must be doing something right

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By *iger4uWoman over a year ago

In my happy place

I wont be rushing for the vaccine.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

So no direct source."

When it's widely known that posting scientific papers earns you a ban, this is wildly disingenuous. Posting citations suffices when forum rules don't allow links

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk

Probably more likely to catch it in a supermarket tbh.

Using mobile data from the first wave, researchers showed that restaurants, cafes gyms and churches accounted for approx 8 in 10 new coronavirus infections

Source ?

Google Mobility network models of COVID-19 explain inequities and inform reopening. It was published in Nature. They assert their model shows how reducing occupancy reduces infection risk.

So no direct source.

When it's widely known that posting scientific papers earns you a ban, this is wildly disingenuous. Posting citations suffices when forum rules don't allow links

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk "

I have to agree with you there.

The amount of gyms I have visited and people of all ages are not wearing a mask when in communal areas of the gym.

I saw three lads in their early 20's, all standing close together on a machine. One is exercising, the others are helping. The gym has ssid the teo lads need to wear a mask, when they got reminded they gave back abuse to the managers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc"

i think you are buying into a fantasy if you think enough of the country would be vaccinated over the next few months to make this even an option

the vaccine looks promising yes and will be rolled out as quickly as possible but we are still quite a way away from the home stretch

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes for necessary social events and hairdressers that I think is viable .

As for gyms I think they need to be closed for the duration as they are an obvious transmission risk "

if the rule was only allowed in if vaccinated which is what you seem to be agreeing with, how would it be possible for the gym to be a transmission risk

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife.

Government database, or documents with anti forgery measures like currency has. And/or crippling fines for forged vaccine documents"

and you only have to go to nights school for a couple of cookery or hairdressing classes to get access to government databases now then since the suggestion was to enter a hairdressers or restaurant?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife.

Government database, or documents with anti forgery measures like currency has. And/or crippling fines for forged vaccine documents

and you only have to go to nights school for a couple of cookery or hairdressing classes to get access to government databases now then since the suggestion was to enter a hairdressers or restaurant? "

Are you suggesting that people find ways to break the law or contravene public health measures?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife.

Government database, or documents with anti forgery measures like currency has. And/or crippling fines for forged vaccine documents

and you only have to go to nights school for a couple of cookery or hairdressing classes to get access to government databases now then since the suggestion was to enter a hairdressers or restaurant?

Are you suggesting that people find ways to break the law or contravene public health measures?"

no i am suggesting that expecting hairdressers and restaurants to check government databases to accept bookings is ludicrous

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife.

Government database, or documents with anti forgery measures like currency has. And/or crippling fines for forged vaccine documents

and you only have to go to nights school for a couple of cookery or hairdressing classes to get access to government databases now then since the suggestion was to enter a hairdressers or restaurant?

Are you suggesting that people find ways to break the law or contravene public health measures?

no i am suggesting that expecting hairdressers and restaurants to check government databases to accept bookings is ludicrous "

I don't find it ludicrous.

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By * and M lookingCouple over a year ago

Worcester

Gov.uk are missing a trick with this.

Everyone should be made to pay for their jab.

At least that would help to put some money back into the coffers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife.

Government database, or documents with anti forgery measures like currency has. And/or crippling fines for forged vaccine documents

and you only have to go to nights school for a couple of cookery or hairdressing classes to get access to government databases now then since the suggestion was to enter a hairdressers or restaurant?

Are you suggesting that people find ways to break the law or contravene public health measures?

no i am suggesting that expecting hairdressers and restaurants to check government databases to accept bookings is ludicrous

I don't find it ludicrous."

so its fine to just hand the keys to sensitive data to just about anyone then ... i am a mile away from the people that are afraid of ID cards ... the government already have all your data who cares if if goes on a card

but i definitely draw the line at making that data freely available to any ton dick or harry that wants to open a coffee shop

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Great idea but how do you prove they have had one? We are in a society where fake documents and id cards are rife.

Government database, or documents with anti forgery measures like currency has. And/or crippling fines for forged vaccine documents

and you only have to go to nights school for a couple of cookery or hairdressing classes to get access to government databases now then since the suggestion was to enter a hairdressers or restaurant?

Are you suggesting that people find ways to break the law or contravene public health measures?

no i am suggesting that expecting hairdressers and restaurants to check government databases to accept bookings is ludicrous

I don't find it ludicrous.

but i definitely draw the line at making that data freely available to any ton dick or harry that wants to open a coffee shop "

You can't think of ways around it? Like, a number that can be cross checked rather than just opening up a database to everyone?

(Obviously fake example)

Ina Swingdress 867-5309 (x) vaccinated

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By *hilloutMan over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

I must say i'm shocked at some of the statements on this thread that are nothing less than totalitarian.

Help society by getting your shot or else your everyday life is suspended as punishment? Have people lost their individual and collective sanity?

Freedom and autonomy over our bodies is the most intimate and fundamental one we have. If government can strip us of that through coercion they then can take away ANYTHING. People should keep this in mind before cheerleading such an effort.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"I must say i'm shocked at some of the statements on this thread that are nothing less than totalitarian.

Help society by getting your shot or else your everyday life is suspended as punishment? Have people lost their individual and collective sanity?

Yet until relatively recently immunisations were given automatically to all children.

This whole 'thing' about the government taking anything they want never happened then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What about the rest of us? You exercising your freedom puts everyone you come into contact with at risk.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

What about the rest of us? You exercising your freedom puts everyone you come into contact with at risk. "

Not if they've used their freedom and autonomy to accept the vaccine.

I do think there are a number of people who have legitimate concerns about using a rushed thru inoculation plus those who have legitimate ethical objections.

Also, it seems a bit absurd that it could be that those who are in the lowest risk groups (and could actually return to normalcy now) could be the last to be able to do so.

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By *ljamMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I must say i'm shocked at some of the statements on this thread that are nothing less than totalitarian.

Help society by getting your shot or else your everyday life is suspended as punishment? Have people lost their individual and collective sanity?

I think you need to get the dictionary out and check your definition of totalitarian.

There are many countries which you can't visit without getting vaccinated against Yellow Fever. This is to protect you, but more importantly to protect the people of your community from you bringing the illness back. Do you bleat that this is an invasion of your free will? No, you either get vaccinated or you don't go. That's the choice you face. People are simply saying the same thing here... want to go to the gig? There's your choice.

Also to suggest the law provides us with complete freedom and autonomy over our bodies is faintly ridiculous. Look at the flip side...

Can you walk into a police station pull out some smack and start shooting up? Nope.

But aren't drugs just affecting your own body? Well yes, but their effect can have detrimental effects to yourself and wider society so they've been made illegal.

You can choose to still take them (just like you can choose to not have a vaccine) but there will be a consequence to that choice. I wouldn't be against that consequence being you aren't allowed to go to a football match or gig or pub and put others at risk.

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

Vaccine or not we are in this mess for many more months to come yet. As, one virologist said.

" near normality will not come till next winter at BEST"

If only this government would be up front with people and come out and say exactly what their goals really are then people might start accepting things a whole lot better.. Saying things like we have a vaccine ready that is effective is giving people the illusion that they can get vaccinated in 2 or 3 weeks time and then we can all go out partying the following week. The time frame is much greater than that. Masks and distancing will still be around even with the vaccine. We are not going anywhere fast. There may be, some light at the end of the tunnel but it's still far off

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Our freedoms from serious disease come from the fact that most of us are vaccinated. That will eventually include Covid-19, most likely, at least for adults.

As always the individualist ignores the collective that holds him up. Decisions are made in the background in order to ensure everyone's safety and ability to prosper, and we take these for granted. Vaccination is one of them.

The slippery slope totalitarian argument is nonsense on stilts.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

reading some posts on here it seems some think havin a vaccine will stop you catching it.i was under the impression the vaccine will just help your body fight it off if you do catch it? myself i will be getting it but i will be in the last group to get it so if they do stop people without the vaccine doing stuff thats me screwed till the ass end of next year.mabey longer if its anything like trying to get a flu jab this year.suppose the only good thing about being one of the last in line for the jab means if anything does go wrong with it its likley to happen before they get to me.so every cloud i suppose

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"reading some posts on here it seems some think havin a vaccine will stop you catching it.i was under the impression the vaccine will just help your body fight it off if you do catch it? myself i will be getting it but i will be in the last group to get it so if they do stop people without the vaccine doing stuff thats me screwed till the ass end of next year.mabey longer if its anything like trying to get a flu jab this year.suppose the only good thing about being one of the last in line for the jab means if anything does go wrong with it its likley to happen before they get to me.so every cloud i suppose"

Some vaccines provide sterilising immunity. Some provide protective immunity. It does seem that this is the latter not the former.

Regardless a wall of herd immunity protects those who *can't* be vaccinated (or can't/don't produce an appropriate immune response) and those who choose not to be vaccinated threaten their safety.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Not against having a vaccine but I will be 3rd* in line after all the Pharma CEOs (and their families) and Politicians (and their families). That will send a message that it is safe (for the anti vaxxers) and that it isn’t only a HUGE money making opportunity.

*reality is we would be low on priority list anyway.

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By *iker boy 69Man over a year ago

midlands

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc"

If people dont want the vaccine, tgen they are only putting themselves at risk surely. Everyone who has had it need not worry. So if person A is pro vax and has it, and person B is anti vax then person A is totally safe cuz theyve had it. Why give a toss if B may have it, or get it

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Incorrect. They also put those at risk who can't be vaccinated or don't mount an immune response.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc"

Not a chance I'm having a rushed vaccine! No way, to find out in years to come it's lethal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I must say i'm shocked at some of the statements on this thread that are nothing less than totalitarian.

Help society by getting your shot or else your everyday life is suspended as punishment? Have people lost their individual and collective sanity?

We are not just individuals though we are part of a global community. We have rights and responsibilities. While I agree that some of the suggestions are totalitarian biased on what those individuals view as the greater good. Is a totalitarian style of leadership situationally appropriate for a national/global emergency? I don’t have the answer but I can see the action logic.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Not a chance I'm having a rushed vaccine! No way, to find out in years to come it's lethal"

That's spectacularly unlikely.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"Not against having a vaccine but I will be 3rd* in line after all the Pharma CEOs (and their families) and Politicians (and their families). That will send a message that it is safe (for the anti vaxxers) and that it isn’t only a HUGE money making opportunity.

*reality is we would be low on priority list anyway."

It is actually a very good suggestion that when vaccination does start, we should have visibility of high ranking members of the government and their families, and other "top" people taking their jabs. A televised event maybe?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

*reality is we would be low on priority list anyway.

Like with Elvis and polio. That was a huge success

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

*reality is we would be low on priority list anyway.

That's if you trust the government lies.

Taking saline solution vaccine on tv rather than the China virus vaccine.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

*reality is we would be low on priority list anyway.

That's if you trust the government lies.

Taking saline solution vaccine on tv rather than the China virus vaccine."

You know that 2019-nCoV has been renamed, right?

Hope this helps

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS over a year ago

paisley

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Not a chance I'm having a rushed vaccine! No way, to find out in years to come it's lethal"

especially when the vaccine companies have legal immunity

Alarm bells should be ringing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Not a chance I'm having a rushed vaccine! No way, to find out in years to come it's lethal

especially when the vaccine companies have legal immunity

Alarm bells should be ringing"

Alarm bells won't be ringing for the covidiots, they'll be queuing round the block with sleeves rolled up the second this vaccine comes out.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Not a chance I'm having a rushed vaccine! No way, to find out in years to come it's lethal

especially when the vaccine companies have legal immunity

Alarm bells should be ringing"

Goodness, it's not like this is new or doesn't have clear justification

Oooh scary vaccine (conspiracy theories) (lies) oooh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This always makes me wonder why people are scared of the unvaccinated. If you have the vaccine and you think it works then why be worried about those who dont have it.

If they have covid your immunised so you cant get it. Or you think the vaccine doesn't work and you can get covid in which case still best not to go back to normal.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"This always makes me wonder why people are scared of the unvaccinated. If you have the vaccine and you think it works then why be worried about those who dont have it.

If they have covid your immunised so you cant get it. Or you think the vaccine doesn't work and you can get covid in which case still best not to go back to normal.

Some people can't be vaccinated and need protection

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Not a chance I'm having a rushed vaccine! No way, to find out in years to come it's lethal

especially when the vaccine companies have legal immunity

Alarm bells should be ringing"

Everything has risks. If people are informed, they can continue to do as they have always done, balancing risks and benefits. It's a no brainer, life as normal. Vaccines have probably saved hundreds of millions of lives

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Not a chance I'm having a rushed vaccine! No way, to find out in years to come it's lethal

especially when the vaccine companies have legal immunity

Alarm bells should be ringing

The chair you're sitting in has risks. The building you're in, the water you drink, the food you eat, the car you drive, the pavements you walk on, the medical advice you get.

Vaccines are designed to be particularly low risk. And yet... all of this nonsense

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS over a year ago

doncaster

I really hope they make it mandatory for overseas travel, have to show covid vaccine had and any updates if needed

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I really hope they make it mandatory for overseas travel, have to show covid vaccine had and any updates if needed

I think it will be for some countries

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What guarantees do we have that the vaccines available will be free of possible side effects?

None.

Companies producing them are being given exemptions and cannot be pursued legally. if you take the vaccine and suffer a side effect, that’s just too bad. The swine flu vaccine had side effects for 50,000 people. They now suffer from narcolepsy.

Vaccines and medicines usually take years to be approved, not a few months. Why do you think that is? It’s because of the dangers of side effects. Vaccines are fantastic when they are developed and tested over a longer period of time. I won’t be taking it and unless you are in a vulnerable group, I’d recommend you don’t either.

This isn’t like taking the flu vaccine every winter. They have been tested for years and are safe for use.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What guarantees do we have that the vaccines available will be free of possible side effects?

None.

This isn’t like taking the flu vaccine every winter. They have been tested for years and are safe for use.

No effective intervention is free of side effects. Hope this helps

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This always makes me wonder why people are scared of the unvaccinated. If you have the vaccine and you think it works then why be worried about those who dont have it.

If they have covid your immunised so you cant get it. Or you think the vaccine doesn't work and you can get covid in which case still best not to go back to normal.

Some people can't be vaccinated and need protection

But then they wouldnt be allowed in the venue as they dont have the vaccine...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"This always makes me wonder why people are scared of the unvaccinated. If you have the vaccine and you think it works then why be worried about those who dont have it.

If they have covid your immunised so you cant get it. Or you think the vaccine doesn't work and you can get covid in which case still best not to go back to normal.

Some people can't be vaccinated and need protection

But then they wouldnt be allowed in the venue as they dont have the vaccine..."

Not if it's "vaccine or medical exemption".

So you think that those who can't be vaccinated through no fault of their own should have to be imprisoned or risk serious disease?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This always makes me wonder why people are scared of the unvaccinated. If you have the vaccine and you think it works then why be worried about those who dont have it.

If they have covid your immunised so you cant get it. Or you think the vaccine doesn't work and you can get covid in which case still best not to go back to normal.

Some people can't be vaccinated and need protection

But then they wouldnt be allowed in the venue as they dont have the vaccine...

Not if it's "vaccine or medical exemption".

So you think that those who can't be vaccinated through no fault of their own should have to be imprisoned or risk serious disease?"

If they are not immunised they risk the disease anyhow. They have not yet given evidence that the vaccine stops you carrying or transmitting the disease.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"This always makes me wonder why people are scared of the unvaccinated. If you have the vaccine and you think it works then why be worried about those who dont have it.

If they have covid your immunised so you cant get it. Or you think the vaccine doesn't work and you can get covid in which case still best not to go back to normal.

Some people can't be vaccinated and need protection

But then they wouldnt be allowed in the venue as they dont have the vaccine...

Not if it's "vaccine or medical exemption".

So you think that those who can't be vaccinated through no fault of their own should have to be imprisoned or risk serious disease?

If they are not immunised they risk the disease anyhow. They have not yet given evidence that the vaccine stops you carrying or transmitting the disease."

I draw a sharp distinction between those who can't be vaccinated and those who won't be vaccinated. We protect the former by not freeloading on other people's contribution to herd immunity.

The evidence points to protective rather than sterilising immunity, but this still contributes to protecting the vulnerable.

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS over a year ago

paisley

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Not a chance I'm having a rushed vaccine! No way, to find out in years to come it's lethal

especially when the vaccine companies have legal immunity

Alarm bells should be ringing

Alarm bells won't be ringing for the covidiots, they'll be queuing round the block with sleeves rolled up the second this vaccine comes out.

Ah here we go referring to me as a covidiot. Feel free my friend feel free, im flattered that because i look beyond the lies and contradictions of public ministers and the do as i say not as i do, or monkeys running the zoo.

I feel for yoy who is there sleeve rolled up to be injected by Hancocks hope as he puts it.

Very odd that you discriminate against those people with cancer for example, you remember those people whose treatment was cancelled due to this alleged Covid, because staff were too busy doing tik tok videos, no cures for cancer, no mandatory vaccinations to cure cancers is there, and the reason for that being becaise its a criminal offence to advertise a cure for cancer, yes this so called caring considerate Government passed a law to make it illegal to advertise a cure or remedy for cancer. Imagine if those cancer sufferers werent allowed into venues because they werent vaccinated against cancer, only they couldn't because nobody dare look at a cure for cancer.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Not a chance I'm having a rushed vaccine! No way, to find out in years to come it's lethal

especially when the vaccine companies have legal immunity

Alarm bells should be ringing

Alarm bells won't be ringing for the covidiots, they'll be queuing round the block with sleeves rolled up the second this vaccine comes out.

I feel for yoy who is there sleeve rolled up to be injected by Hancocks hope as he puts it.

He was agreeing with you

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS over a year ago

paisley

I hit the wrong reply and quite post my apologies but you get my point

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I hit the wrong reply and quite post my apologies but you get my point"

Not particularly, no. I see a system in place to protect the vulnerable, including those cancer patients who can't be vaccinated, which requires all of us to do our part. And a bunch of conspiracy stuff that seems to link bringing the pandemic to an end with politicians.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This always makes me wonder why people are scared of the unvaccinated. If you have the vaccine and you think it works then why be worried about those who dont have it.

If they have covid your immunised so you cant get it. Or you think the vaccine doesn't work and you can get covid in which case still best not to go back to normal.

Some people can't be vaccinated and need protection

But then they wouldnt be allowed in the venue as they dont have the vaccine...

Not if it's "vaccine or medical exemption".

So you think that those who can't be vaccinated through no fault of their own should have to be imprisoned or risk serious disease?

If they are not immunised they risk the disease anyhow. They have not yet given evidence that the vaccine stops you carrying or transmitting the disease.

I draw a sharp distinction between those who can't be vaccinated and those who won't be vaccinated. We protect the former by not freeloading on other people's contribution to herd immunity.

The evidence points to protective rather than sterilising immunity, but this still contributes to protecting the vulnerable. "

The issue is you have to respect peoples rights to control their own body. I don't want to put people off getting the vaccination but i don't agree that those who don't get it should be treated like the proverbial leper. I know i will be getting it if offered but i do not subscribe to punishing those who chose not to.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"This always makes me wonder why people are scared of the unvaccinated. If you have the vaccine and you think it works then why be worried about those who dont have it.

If they have covid your immunised so you cant get it. Or you think the vaccine doesn't work and you can get covid in which case still best not to go back to normal.

Some people can't be vaccinated and need protection

But then they wouldnt be allowed in the venue as they dont have the vaccine...

Not if it's "vaccine or medical exemption".

So you think that those who can't be vaccinated through no fault of their own should have to be imprisoned or risk serious disease?

If they are not immunised they risk the disease anyhow. They have not yet given evidence that the vaccine stops you carrying or transmitting the disease.

I draw a sharp distinction between those who can't be vaccinated and those who won't be vaccinated. We protect the former by not freeloading on other people's contribution to herd immunity.

The evidence points to protective rather than sterilising immunity, but this still contributes to protecting the vulnerable.

All rights are limited by necessity.

We've seen a situation where some people, due to vulnerability, have been prisoners in their own homes. Vaccination will be a major way to end that. Herd immunity will protect them.

If we have to choose between the freedom of the medically vulnerable and the freedom of people not to contribute to community health, I choose the former and I make absolutely no apologies for that. If you want to freeload, fine, but choices come with consequences.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"This always makes me wonder why people are scared of the unvaccinated. If you have the vaccine and you think it works then why be worried about those who dont have it.

If they have covid your immunised so you cant get it. Or you think the vaccine doesn't work and you can get covid in which case still best not to go back to normal.

Some people can't be vaccinated and need protection

But then they wouldnt be allowed in the venue as they dont have the vaccine...

Not if it's "vaccine or medical exemption".

So you think that those who can't be vaccinated through no fault of their own should have to be imprisoned or risk serious disease?

If they are not immunised they risk the disease anyhow. They have not yet given evidence that the vaccine stops you carrying or transmitting the disease.

I draw a sharp distinction between those who can't be vaccinated and those who won't be vaccinated. We protect the former by not freeloading on other people's contribution to herd immunity.

The evidence points to protective rather than sterilising immunity, but this still contributes to protecting the vulnerable.

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By *BWarksCouple over a year ago

warwick

One of us works for the NHS and from what we hear the concern is that not many people are going to take up the offer of a vaccine.......the flu jab is only running at 30%-35% take up .....

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"Is the solution over the next few months to only let those vaccinated into venues, like restaurants, gyms, hairdressers etc

Not a chance I'm having a rushed vaccine! No way, to find out in years to come it's lethal

especially when the vaccine companies have legal immunity

Alarm bells should be ringing

Alarm bells won't be ringing for the covidiots, they'll be queuing round the block with sleeves rolled up the second this vaccine comes out.

I feel for yoy who is there sleeve rolled up to be injected by Hancocks hope as he puts it.

It's illegal to advertise quack cures for cancer because they don't work and are just scams to take money away from the desperate. For the types of cancer that can be aided there are government run programmes to prevent, detect and treat. Vaccination against cervical cancer is now given to all young people (yes including boys, to prevent them passing along the virus that is the actual cause of cervical cancer). Breast screening for those with breasts, prostate examinations for those with prostates.

As for treatments delayed because of the "alleged" covid - do you think that medical staff have been using this as some sort of excuse to have a holiday? The reason for treatments being delayed is because of staff and facilities being tied up trying to save lives that have been put in jeopardy due to inconsiderate arseholes that refuse to wear a mask, won't keep their germs to themselves, demand their right to go down the pub, congregate at illegal bloody raves... Staff too busy doing tik tok videos? If you'd been spending day after day wrapped in ppe clothing, watching people dying, seeing your own colleagues catching it, with the ever present fear that you could easily be the next one to go - having a couple of minutes of hysteria while on a break or at the end of your day might be the least you would do.

All those whining about the inconvenience they are suffering because they can't go to the pub, and they haven't had a shag for a while, and it's so difficult to stop breathing germs onto other people - take a long look at yourselves in a mirror. Real people are dying, real people are at risk, real people are undergoing proper hardship that has been directly or indirectly caused by a world wide crisis. If you're not part of the solution, if you're not undergoing at least some small hardship or inconvenience to help prevent the spread - then you are part of the problem.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"One of us works for the NHS and from what we hear the concern is that not many people are going to take up the offer of a vaccine.......the flu jab is only running at 30%-35% take up ..... "

Yes. If we don't get enough uptake people can't get their lives back.

Except those who assume they'll be fine. And some of them won't be.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"One of us works for the NHS and from what we hear the concern is that not many people are going to take up the offer of a vaccine.......the flu jab is only running at 30%-35% take up ..... "

I've been unable to get my annual flu jab so far, I've tried to make a booking with several local pharmacies and been told that stocks are so low that for the moment they are reserving for the over 65's only. And this is when I'm trying to pay for a jab!

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I talked to a real person this week who was profoundly grateful for being allowed to go to the doctor this week. Outside her house. The luxury. She was so excited by it.

And then we get the whining and I wish I could sprinkle her strength among all the whingers, because even diluted that much, it'd probably make a massive difference.

Rights are meaningless without responsibilities, we all depend on each other.

The vaccine trial registry update today ended with "Please respond when called upon. Your NHS needs you."

The world needs is to step up. The UK, the economy. Don't be involved in trials if you don't want to - I'm happy to do that. But this is how we bring this crisis to an end. I have the courage and empathy for my fellow humans.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"One of us works for the NHS and from what we hear the concern is that not many people are going to take up the offer of a vaccine.......the flu jab is only running at 30%-35% take up .....

Yes, I haven't either, but I'm aware of shortages to the vulnerable too. It's worrying.

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By *BWarksCouple over a year ago

warwick

"One of us works for the NHS and from what we hear the concern is that not many people are going to take up the offer of a vaccine.......the flu jab is only running at 30%-35% take up .....

Yes. If we don't get enough uptake people can't get their lives back.

Except those who assume they'll be fine. And some of them won't be."

Actually most people will be fine ...... because we have such a good health care system , we have kept alive for longer a lot more people. Countries like India and in Africa have not been bothered anything like we have because their health care systems haven’t kept so many elderly and already ill people alive for so long . Their populations are also fitter and exposed to more dirt and viruses anyway making for a stronger immune system. We are a product of our own making and need to just realise we can’t and shouldn’t be trying to live forever .....

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I talked to a real person this week who was profoundly grateful for being allowed to go to the doctor this week. Outside her house. The luxury. She was so excited by it.

And then we get the whining and I wish I could sprinkle her strength among all the whingers, because even diluted that much, it'd probably make a massive difference.

Rights are meaningless without responsibilities, we all depend on each other.

The vaccine trial registry update today ended with "Please respond when called upon. Your NHS needs you."

That should say, the world needs US to step up.

The parallels to VE Day through this have been striking to me. We have a community crisis. We're fighting a battle against an enemy, although in this case microbial.

We celebrate what our forebears achieved on the one hand, and condemn the last of them to house arrest on another. Shame on them, wanting a quality of life.

I'm answering the call and doing everything I possibly can. I care about my community, our health, our future.

It requires courage. But also faith in each other, in our institutions. In the enormous efforts and ingenuity to provide extremely safe vaccination. That we all take for granted to give us such an extraordinary quality of life today.

I have answered the call. For the vulnerable, for my community, for the UK, for the world.

Will you?

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