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over a year ago
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"Good riddance peter Sutcliffe, hope its not too hot down there."
He won’t be missed but sadly today is probably very upsetting for those who still don’t have closure from his lack of co-operation. |
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Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders 
Hope it was a painful ending for him. |
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"Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders
Hope it was a painful ending for him."
Yeah he was interviewed early on in the investigation. It was those bloody hoax tapes that led the police astray. |
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"Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders
Hope it was a painful ending for him."
Inept police work, such as? |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders
Hope it was a painful ending for him."
I just watched it on the news & the interview with a work colleague at the time of his arrest “ We used to joke & call him Ripper as he was always around the areas...it’s not so funny now though”.
Ffs that & the inept cops, the mind boggles.
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over a year ago
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too."
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of. |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of."
Are you? It sais so on the bbcs site that he also had underlying problems, it plays a big part too. |
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"Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders
Hope it was a painful ending for him.
Inept police work, such as? "
Repeated interviews. Focussing on the knife wounds rather than the hammer attacks causing them to miss vital evidence, chasing a hoax for a long time even after the hoaxer came forward, one totally wrong description of the attacker made public as well as making his car model public and lots more. |
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of.Are you? It sais so on the bbcs site that he also had underlying problems, it plays a big part too."
I work in Manchester’s biggest ICU‘S, I’ve now seen 128 people lose their lives to covid on my shifts. I’ve seen a further 68 pass away where their certificates mention covid-19.
I would say I am qualified enough to appreciate the part Covid-19 plays in the equation resulting in someone’s death, yes.
I would also say I am in a good vantage point to say the continuous statements trying to downgrade the seriousness of the virus are wholly unhelpful in this crisis which affects us all. They are just a vocalisation of peoples individual frustration and do nothing more than make this pandemic even more depressing. |
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of."
I don't really care what removed him from this earth, just dead is more than adequate   |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of.Are you? It sais so on the bbcs site that he also had underlying problems, it plays a big part too.
I work in Manchester’s biggest ICU‘S, I’ve now seen 128 people lose their lives to covid on my shifts. I’ve seen a further 68 pass away where their certificates mention covid-19.
I would say I am qualified enough to appreciate the part Covid-19 plays in the equation resulting in someone’s death, yes.
I would also say I am in a good vantage point to say the continuous statements trying to downgrade the seriousness of the virus are wholly unhelpful in this crisis which affects us all. They are just a vocalisation of peoples individual frustration and do nothing more than make this pandemic even more depressing."
That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders
Hope it was a painful ending for him.
Inept police work, such as? Repeated interviews. Focussing on the knife wounds rather than the hammer attacks causing them to miss vital evidence, chasing a hoax for a long time even after the hoaxer came forward, one totally wrong description of the attacker made public as well as making his car model public and lots more."
Fair enough, I was far too young back then to understand the actual investigation and I've never watched any of the documentaries on him but I remember incidents of it at the time.
My parents attended a house party that Peter & his wife Sonia were at towards the end of his killings and Peter and other men were walking single women home afterwards because of the media publicity over the murders.
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders
Hope it was a painful ending for him.
Inept police work, such as? Repeated interviews. Focussing on the knife wounds rather than the hammer attacks causing them to miss vital evidence, chasing a hoax for a long time even after the hoaxer came forward, one totally wrong description of the attacker made public as well as making his car model public and lots more."
From what I remember, he was caught by a constable that didn't accept his story that he had stopped for a pee. The policeman looked in the bushes and found a hammer and screwdriver......
I had been cycling past the spot for years before I found out. |
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The constable first noticed that his number plate didn't match his car. It was his alertness in spotting this, then looking where Sutcliffe urinated that caught him. Not the huge, long investigation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms."
No, I tend to view that as a mute point really.
I think when you’ve sat alongside a teenagers mother watching her diabetic son pass away or have seen dozens of other people robbed of decades of life etc you see the severity of the virus, you also apply some perspective to statements like your own.
It’s no different to the lifespan of a car... does mileage play a part? Do minor faults have a knock on to other areas? Of course they do but that doesn’t lessen the impact of the terminal fault or issue. It also doesn’t stop brand new cars from occasionally failing.
You’re a male nearing his 40’s... you have a 1 in 4 chance of having a known underlying condition. You actually have a 1 in 3 chance of having an undiagnosed underlying condition.
One thing you can say for certainty on Mr Sutcliffe.... without covid he would still be alive today, you can also guarantee that as he refused treatment his death will have been horrific, for him personally but also for those attending to him during his final hours.
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"Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders
Hope it was a painful ending for him.
Inept police work, such as? "
There is a doc on I player
The attitude of the police at the time was appalling |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders
Hope it was a painful ending for him.
Inept police work, such as?
There is a doc on I player
The attitude of the police at the time was appalling "
Rotherham showed the attitudes hadn't changed very much. |
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The attitude of the police at the time was appalling "
I remember Chief of Police Oldfield telling men to ensure their wives and daughters stayed indoors after dark. In response women in Leeds organised "Reclaim the Night" marches |
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"Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders
Hope it was a painful ending for him.
Inept police work, such as?
There is a doc on I player
The attitude of the police at the time was appalling
Rotherham showed the attitudes hadn't changed very much."
Very true |
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"That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms.
No, I tend to view that as a mute point really.
I think when you’ve sat alongside a teenagers mother watching her diabetic son pass away or have seen dozens of other people robbed of decades of life etc you see the severity of the virus, you also apply some perspective to statements like your own.
It’s no different to the lifespan of a car... does mileage play a part? Do minor faults have a knock on to other areas? Of course they do but that doesn’t lessen the impact of the terminal fault or issue. It also doesn’t stop brand new cars from occasionally failing.
You’re a male nearing his 40’s... you have a 1 in 4 chance of having a known underlying condition. You actually have a 1 in 3 chance of having an undiagnosed underlying condition.
One thing you can say for certainty on Mr Sutcliffe.... without covid he would still be alive today, you can also guarantee that as he refused treatment his death will have been horrific, for him personally but also for those attending to him during his final hours.
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I'm pleased to hear his death would have been horrific. Just like those poor women he killed. |
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"I'm pleased to hear his death would have been horrific. Just like those poor women he killed. "
Absolutely, sadly he had the element of choice which wasn’t afforded to his victims |
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"That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms.
No, I tend to view that as a mute point really.
I think when you’ve sat alongside a teenagers mother watching her diabetic son pass away or have seen dozens of other people robbed of decades of life etc you see the severity of the virus, you also apply some perspective to statements like your own.
It’s no different to the lifespan of a car... does mileage play a part? Do minor faults have a knock on to other areas? Of course they do but that doesn’t lessen the impact of the terminal fault or issue. It also doesn’t stop brand new cars from occasionally failing.
You’re a male nearing his 40’s... you have a 1 in 4 chance of having a known underlying condition. You actually have a 1 in 3 chance of having an undiagnosed underlying condition.
One thing you can say for certainty on Mr Sutcliffe.... without covid he would still be alive today, you can also guarantee that as he refused treatment his death will have been horrific, for him personally but also for those attending to him during his final hours.
I'm pleased to hear his death would have been horrific. Just like those poor women he killed. "
As Charli says though, bloody awful for the staff that would be attending during the last days and hours. |
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"That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms.
No, I tend to view that as a mute point really.
I think when you’ve sat alongside a teenagers mother watching her diabetic son pass away or have seen dozens of other people robbed of decades of life etc you see the severity of the virus, you also apply some perspective to statements like your own.
It’s no different to the lifespan of a car... does mileage play a part? Do minor faults have a knock on to other areas? Of course they do but that doesn’t lessen the impact of the terminal fault or issue. It also doesn’t stop brand new cars from occasionally failing.
You’re a male nearing his 40’s... you have a 1 in 4 chance of having a known underlying condition. You actually have a 1 in 3 chance of having an undiagnosed underlying condition.
One thing you can say for certainty on Mr Sutcliffe.... without covid he would still be alive today, you can also guarantee that as he refused treatment his death will have been horrific, for him personally but also for those attending to him during his final hours.
I'm pleased to hear his death would have been horrific. Just like those poor women he killed.
As Charli says though, bloody awful for the staff that would be attending during the last days and hours. "
Yes, that must have been awful for them. |
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Inept police work, such as? Repeated interviews. Focussing on the knife wounds rather than the hammer attacks causing them to miss vital evidence, chasing a hoax for a long time even after the hoaxer came forward, one totally wrong description of the attacker made public as well as making his car model public and lots more."
This was 40 years ago.
There was no DNA testing, forensics were conparatively limited and there were no computer systems meaning evidence was all recorded on thousands of index cards.
Finding relationships between those cards could take days and involve dozens of officers - takes minutes at worst nowadays.
It's a different world with different expectations now. |
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Inept police work, such as? Repeated interviews. Focussing on the knife wounds rather than the hammer attacks causing them to miss vital evidence, chasing a hoax for a long time even after the hoaxer came forward, one totally wrong description of the attacker made public as well as making his car model public and lots more.
This was 40 years ago.
There was no DNA testing, forensics were conparatively limited and there were no computer systems meaning evidence was all recorded on thousands of index cards.
Finding relationships between those cards could take days and involve dozens of officers - takes minutes at worst nowadays.
It's a different world with different expectations now."
It was more the attitudes they had at the time.
Sex workers were practically dismissed as getting what they deserved.
The fella in charge made loads of huge mistakes. |
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of.Are you? It sais so on the bbcs site that he also had underlying problems, it plays a big part too.
I work in Manchester’s biggest ICU‘S, I’ve now seen 128 people lose their lives to covid on my shifts. I’ve seen a further 68 pass away where their certificates mention covid-19.
I would say I am qualified enough to appreciate the part Covid-19 plays in the equation resulting in someone’s death, yes.
I would also say I am in a good vantage point to say the continuous statements trying to downgrade the seriousness of the virus are wholly unhelpful in this crisis which affects us all. They are just a vocalisation of peoples individual frustration and do nothing more than make this pandemic even more depressing.That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms."
Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked.  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too."
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the building |
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of.Are you? It sais so on the bbcs site that he also had underlying problems, it plays a big part too.
I work in Manchester’s biggest ICU‘S, I’ve now seen 128 people lose their lives to covid on my shifts. I’ve seen a further 68 pass away where their certificates mention covid-19.
I would say I am qualified enough to appreciate the part Covid-19 plays in the equation resulting in someone’s death, yes.
I would also say I am in a good vantage point to say the continuous statements trying to downgrade the seriousness of the virus are wholly unhelpful in this crisis which affects us all. They are just a vocalisation of peoples individual frustration and do nothing more than make this pandemic even more depressing.That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms.
Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked. "
It's getting sillier ..
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the building"
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of.Are you? It sais so on the bbcs site that he also had underlying problems, it plays a big part too.
I work in Manchester’s biggest ICU‘S, I’ve now seen 128 people lose their lives to covid on my shifts. I’ve seen a further 68 pass away where their certificates mention covid-19.
I would say I am qualified enough to appreciate the part Covid-19 plays in the equation resulting in someone’s death, yes.
I would also say I am in a good vantage point to say the continuous statements trying to downgrade the seriousness of the virus are wholly unhelpful in this crisis which affects us all. They are just a vocalisation of peoples individual frustration and do nothing more than make this pandemic even more depressing.That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms.
Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked.
It's getting sillier ..
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It is past frustrating that people are still denying and downplaying covid. We're coming up to 12 months since the very first suspected covid death and here we are. |
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Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked. "
Peaked?
I think you've got the graph upside down...  |
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of.Are you? It sais so on the bbcs site that he also had underlying problems, it plays a big part too.
I work in Manchester’s biggest ICU‘S, I’ve now seen 128 people lose their lives to covid on my shifts. I’ve seen a further 68 pass away where their certificates mention covid-19.
I would say I am qualified enough to appreciate the part Covid-19 plays in the equation resulting in someone’s death, yes.
I would also say I am in a good vantage point to say the continuous statements trying to downgrade the seriousness of the virus are wholly unhelpful in this crisis which affects us all. They are just a vocalisation of peoples individual frustration and do nothing more than make this pandemic even more depressing.That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms.
Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked.
It's getting sillier ..
It is past frustrating that people are still denying and downplaying covid. We're coming up to 12 months since the very first suspected covid death and here we are."
It's the new 'normal', as with politics etc some would rather believe what some anonymous conspiracy theorist or some fruit loop like Icke for which they can pay says than believe the reality going on all around them..
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the building"
Not at all. I am just saying what it said on the bbcs site and there it said he had that too. |
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"Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked. "
For the record, I’m not a nurse, I am non clinical although I am trained as a HCA but, I do work within the red zone looking after infection control amongst the staff and visitors.
The rest of your statement however is incredibly accurate from my perspective x |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the buildingNot at all. I am just saying what it said on the bbcs site and there it said he had that too."
Own your comments shag, it isn't the first time you have tried playing down the pandemic |
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the buildingNot at all. I am just saying what it said on the bbcs site and there it said he had that too."
Shag what part of people can live to a ripe old age with underlying health issues until something intervenes is hard to understand?
And yes that something could be many things but there's a fatal virus which has been shown to affect said people to a greater degree running rife globally..
It really is that simplistic.. |
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the building"
People may have jumped to avoid burning to death, but some of them had Chronic Arthritis...makes you think. |
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the buildingNot at all. I am just saying what it said on the bbcs site and there it said he had that too."
He had underlying conditions yes.
He caught covid and refused treatment.
Covid killed him .
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It was more the attitudes they had at the time.
Sex workers were practically dismissed as getting what they deserved.
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Oh for sure, the attitudes were certainly inexcusable by today's standards.
Religious, sexual and racial intolerance was commonplace and whilst there's still a way to go with those, slowly but surely, those attitudes are being eroded.
Slavery was seen as socially acceptable not so many generations ago, but as a society we've mostly grown and continue to. |
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"Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked.
For the record, I’m not a nurse, I am non clinical although I am trained as a HCA but, I do work within the red zone looking after infection control amongst the staff and visitors.
The rest of your statement however is incredibly accurate from my perspective x"
Apologies for my assumption. Whatever you do, you are a credit to the health service and the general public at all times and not just during this pandemic. x |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the buildingNot at all. I am just saying what it said on the bbcs site and there it said he had that too.
Own your comments shag, it isn't the first time you have tried playing down the pandemic"
I know and I am, the who also say it plays a big part tho. |
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Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked.
Peaked?
I think you've got the graph upside down... "
*Turns graph 180°*
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the buildingNot at all. I am just saying what it said on the bbcs site and there it said he had that too."
And what is the point you are making?
Do you agree that as with 50k + people Mr Sutcliffe has been unlucky enough to catch covid-19, then have it develop into a serious life threatening illness and then perhaps due to his refusal to be treated suffered catastrophic damage to his internal organs resulting in death?
If you want my NHS perspective... he’s just one of many thousands who where occupying beds yesterday and straining the NHS to its limits of capacity... as a human, he was amongst the unfortunate % who lose their lives to the virus. As a carer you don’t judge the person, there’s no pleasure in anyone’s suffering as and as such as weird as it may sound I take no satisfaction from the lack of knowledge over “if he could be saved”, likewise watching him suffering when you know you could alleviate the pain even if he would still have died is not pleasant... I guess that emotion is the big difference between most of us and himself. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the buildingNot at all. I am just saying what it said on the bbcs site and there it said he had that too.
Own your comments shag, it isn't the first time you have tried playing down the pandemicI know and I am, the who also say it plays a big part tho."
Passing peoples deaths off is not a good look.
It is almost like saying well it doesn't matter about that mother/ father/ brother/ sister because they had a dodgy ticker which they have lived with for the last thirty years
It is still a person that died because of Covid because if they didn't catch it they probably would have carried on living for a lot longer
(Ripper excluded from this for me )
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
That's a bit like saying that anyone who had underlying health conditions and who died in the twin towers didn't die because a plane flew into the buildingNot at all. I am just saying what it said on the bbcs site and there it said he had that too.
Own your comments shag, it isn't the first time you have tried playing down the pandemicI know and I am, the who also say it plays a big part tho.
Passing peoples deaths off is not a good look.
It is almost like saying well it doesn't matter about that mother/ father/ brother/ sister because they had a dodgy ticker which they have lived with for the last thirty years
It is still a person that died because of Covid because if they didn't catch it they probably would have carried on living for a lot longer
(Ripper excluded from this for me )
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You are right there and ofcourse what he have done is not good either. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Charli you are a better person than i.
Harsh as it sounds i do not have empathy with that kind of person. I wouldnt have wanted to alleviate his pain."
I think between being trans, living in pre apartheid SA and marching through Kosovo I just don’t really see any gain from hatred breeding hatred... there’s no perfect solution, he’s dead and that ends his story but I often think show him the mercy he never showed others and afford him no coverage or comment is perhaps the best outcome. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms.
No, I tend to view that as a mute point really.
I think when you’ve sat alongside a teenagers mother watching her diabetic son pass away or have seen dozens of other people robbed of decades of life etc you see the severity of the virus, you also apply some perspective to statements like your own.
It’s no different to the lifespan of a car... does mileage play a part? Do minor faults have a knock on to other areas? Of course they do but that doesn’t lessen the impact of the terminal fault or issue. It also doesn’t stop brand new cars from occasionally failing.
You’re a male nearing his 40’s... you have a 1 in 4 chance of having a known underlying condition. You actually have a 1 in 3 chance of having an undiagnosed underlying condition.
One thing you can say for certainty on Mr Sutcliffe.... without covid he would still be alive today, you can also guarantee that as he refused treatment his death will have been horrific, for him personally but also for those attending to him during his final hours.
I'm pleased to hear his death would have been horrific. Just like those poor women he killed.
As Charli says though, bloody awful for the staff that would be attending during the last days and hours. "
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of."
It might have something to do with the news saying he had several serious underlying issues remind us again of your multiple medical qualifications |
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I don't like the thought of anyone losing their life and am against the death penalty. Any loss is awful and a reflection on how badly we have 'managed' this sorry excuse for supporting our people. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Richard McCann speaking so eloquently on tv about his mum, who was the first victim, he was 5 years old....
He is on that documentary.
You dont half feel sorry for him."
Bless them all.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of.
It might have something to do with the news saying he had several serious underlying issues remind us again of your multiple medical qualifications "
I’ve already clearly said my background further up this thread. |
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of.Are you? It sais so on the bbcs site that he also had underlying problems, it plays a big part too.
I work in Manchester’s biggest ICU‘S, I’ve now seen 128 people lose their lives to covid on my shifts. I’ve seen a further 68 pass away where their certificates mention covid-19.
I would say I am qualified enough to appreciate the part Covid-19 plays in the equation resulting in someone’s death, yes.
I would also say I am in a good vantage point to say the continuous statements trying to downgrade the seriousness of the virus are wholly unhelpful in this crisis which affects us all. They are just a vocalisation of peoples individual frustration and do nothing more than make this pandemic even more depressing.That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms.
Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked. "
Out of curiosity - why does everyone assume (I’ve seen it mentioned many times on many threads) that Charlie is a nurse and not a doctor?
I always think of Charlie as a doctor tbh. Could be wrong of course xx |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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You obviously did not have to drive round West Yorkshire between 1975 & 1980 in the evenings. I was very common to be stopped in a police check, rather than inept policing it was more a case of overload of clues to follow up combined with a moron who thought it funny to claim responsibility.
He was finally caught by good old fashioned police work |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of.Are you? It sais so on the bbcs site that he also had underlying problems, it plays a big part too.
I work in Manchester’s biggest ICU‘S, I’ve now seen 128 people lose their lives to covid on my shifts. I’ve seen a further 68 pass away where their certificates mention covid-19.
I would say I am qualified enough to appreciate the part Covid-19 plays in the equation resulting in someone’s death, yes.
I would also say I am in a good vantage point to say the continuous statements trying to downgrade the seriousness of the virus are wholly unhelpful in this crisis which affects us all. They are just a vocalisation of peoples individual frustration and do nothing more than make this pandemic even more depressing.That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms.
Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked.
Out of curiosity - why does everyone assume (I’ve seen it mentioned many times on many threads) that Charlie is a nurse and not a doctor?
I always think of Charlie as a doctor tbh. Could be wrong of course xx"
Having crossed paths with me peachy I’m surprised you aren’t more in realisation that I should not be trusted in either of these posts...
I came to ICU as someone who is excellent at doffing, the ancient art of helping others undress... surely this now makes absolute sense, no? X |
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"You obviously did not have to drive round West Yorkshire between 1975 & 1980 in the evenings. I was very common to be stopped in a police check, rather than inept policing it was more a case of overload of clues to follow up combined with a moron who thought it funny to claim responsibility.
He was finally caught by good old fashioned police work"
He was caught by accident wasnt he?
Wasnt it just a random pull?
They made a huge amount of mistakes in the investigation
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I lived in Bradford at the time...dark dark days...possibly only time in uk the red light district were told they could still work but from and in their homes...good bloody riddance but alas the damage he did will never go away for the families and the ones that got away. |
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"You obviously did not have to drive round West Yorkshire between 1975 & 1980 in the evenings. I was very common to be stopped in a police check, rather than inept policing it was more a case of overload of clues to follow up combined with a moron who thought it funny to claim responsibility.
He was finally caught by good old fashioned police work
He was caught by accident wasnt he?
Wasnt it just a random pull?
They made a huge amount of mistakes in the investigation
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The investigation was a farce but then the guy doing the tapes as the ripper sure messed with the investigation |
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"The Yorkshire Ripper Files: A Very British Crime Story.
This is well worth watching. It has been shown on BBC 4 and will probably come around again (not available on iPlayer at present)."
Its excellent |
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"You obviously did not have to drive round West Yorkshire between 1975 & 1980 in the evenings. I was very common to be stopped in a police check, rather than inept policing it was more a case of overload of clues to follow up combined with a moron who thought it funny to claim responsibility.
He was finally caught by good old fashioned police work
He was caught by accident wasnt he?
Wasnt it just a random pull?
They made a huge amount of mistakes in the investigation
The investigation was a farce but then the guy doing the tapes as the ripper sure messed with the investigation"
The fella running the investigation was convinced it was him and wouldnt consider amy utter possibilities. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Hindsight is easy
Watch the documentary "
Oh yes a tv crew with the benefit of hindsight, of course there would have been things missed, I remember the case and it was in the news all the time, the sheer amount of information and interviews to pick out a few bits of key info, remember they wouldnt have had all the modern tech etc to help them, most arrests come from public info, luck or a copper just happening to spot something that others have missed.
As I said very easy in hindsight |
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Something worth considering for those criticising the police missing things in this case is that they didn't have computers.
Every single statement, enquiry and interview record was documented on paper with no ability to quickly search. It's a well reported fact that at one stage they had to relocate the enquiry team as they were on the first floor and the sheer weight of the paperwork involved in this case had started to cause the ceiling in the floor below to come through!
Its always easy to criticise years later but they had never investigated anything of that magnitude and had very little in the way of technology. |
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"The constable first noticed that his number plate didn't match his car. It was his alertness in spotting this, then looking where Sutcliffe urinated that caught him. Not the huge, long investigation. "
It was good police work, they checked the tax disk ( ask your parents kids ) and it didn’t match the plates so nicked him on this offence and the fact he had a working girl in the car, copper went back later and found his hammer, knife and screwdriver where his dumped them whilst pissing.
Was a good day when he got nicked, my mum could get off the bus unescorted by my older brother after work.
Then pure joy when somebody stuck a broken coffee jar in his neck when in prison, oh how we laughed |
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"Hindsight is easy
Watch the documentary
Oh yes a tv crew with the benefit of hindsight, of course there would have been things missed, I remember the case and it was in the news all the time, the sheer amount of information and interviews to pick out a few bits of key info, remember they wouldnt have had all the modern tech etc to help them, most arrests come from public info, luck or a copper just happening to spot something that others have missed.
As I said very easy in hindsight"
They interviewed police men who worked on the case.
The attitudes to women and sec workers on general was nothing to do with hindsight. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont think it was all down to covid as there was 2 other factors involved, his age and underlying problems too.
And you say that because of your vast medical knowledge and personal insight into the patient?
He died after contracting covid and refusing treatment, it’s not even a discussion point, covid-19 killed him, end of.Are you? It sais so on the bbcs site that he also had underlying problems, it plays a big part too.
I work in Manchester’s biggest ICU‘S, I’ve now seen 128 people lose their lives to covid on my shifts. I’ve seen a further 68 pass away where their certificates mention covid-19.
I would say I am qualified enough to appreciate the part Covid-19 plays in the equation resulting in someone’s death, yes.
I would also say I am in a good vantage point to say the continuous statements trying to downgrade the seriousness of the virus are wholly unhelpful in this crisis which affects us all. They are just a vocalisation of peoples individual frustration and do nothing more than make this pandemic even more depressing.That is good, but do you also agree that age and underlying problems plays a big part as I noticed that you didnt say anything about that too? It sais who is at most risk on who's site, most will get mild symptoms.
Someone trying to peddle Covid conspiracies on a thread about Peter Sutcliffe dying of it - and then proceeding to argue with a nurse who works on an ICU ward about the probable cause of death - is quite possibly the weirdest hill I've ever seen anyone choose to die on. I think the internet and this Virus forum in particular has peaked.
It's getting sillier ..
It is past frustrating that people are still denying and downplaying covid. We're coming up to 12 months since the very first suspected covid death and here we are."
Agreed 1.3 million deaths worldwide and still denial... |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Hindsight is easy
Watch the documentary
Oh yes a tv crew with the benefit of hindsight, of course there would have been things missed, I remember the case and it was in the news all the time, the sheer amount of information and interviews to pick out a few bits of key info, remember they wouldnt have had all the modern tech etc to help them, most arrests come from public info, luck or a copper just happening to spot something that others have missed.
As I said very easy in hindsight"
From wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
" Missing white woman syndrome is a term used by social scientists[1][2][3] and media commentators to refer to extensive media coverage, especially in television,[4] of missing person cases involving young, white, upper-middle-class women or girls. The term is used to describe the Western media's[citation needed] disproportionate focus on upper-middle-class white women who disappear, compared to coverage of missing women of color, women of lower social classes and missing men or boys.[5][6] Although the term was coined in the context of missing person cases, it is sometimes used of coverage of other violent crimes. Instances have been cited in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and South Africa"
I would argue if sutcliffe had been murdering middle class white women from the home counties the police response would have been different. |
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"Nice timing, I'm on a true crime binge at the minute. I just got finished listening to a podcast on his crimes this morning and had never really looked into his killings before. What an evil man.
Inept police work pretty much allowed him to kill a lot more than he would have if they hadn't made as many blunders
Hope it was a painful ending for him.
Inept police work, such as? "
The world of the computer age ! |
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"Hindsight is easy
Watch the documentary
Oh yes a tv crew with the benefit of hindsight, of course there would have been things missed, I remember the case and it was in the news all the time, the sheer amount of information and interviews to pick out a few bits of key info, remember they wouldnt have had all the modern tech etc to help them, most arrests come from public info, luck or a copper just happening to spot something that others have missed.
As I said very easy in hindsight
From wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Missing white woman syndrome is a term used by social scientists[1][2][3] and media commentators to refer to extensive media coverage, especially in television,[4] of missing person cases involving young, white, upper-middle-class women or girls. The term is used to describe the Western media's[citation needed] disproportionate focus on upper-middle-class white women who disappear, compared to coverage of missing women of color, women of lower social classes and missing men or boys.[5][6] Although the term was coined in the context of missing person cases, it is sometimes used of coverage of other violent crimes. Instances have been cited in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and South Africa
I would argue if sutcliffe had been murdering middle class white women from the home counties the police response would have been different."
I completely agree. The attitude they had towards the prostitutes he murdered were terrible. So when a ‘respectable’ woman ie not a prostitute was murdered it was demeaning to the prostitutes. My ex worked with the brother of Jayne McDonald who was the youngest victim, it caused suffering within the family and her father ended up a victim too and died because of all the stress. Sutcliffe was a terrible man who tried using mental health excuses to get a lesser sentence. |
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"Remember .. the victims xxx
Not the evil
100% agree."
The evil is very hard to forget. It made women in Leeds too scared to go out, including my elder sister. It was 5 years of terror, she was even scared when walking home from work in the autumn/winter months. |
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