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By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
Given that it seems we are close to having a vaccine for this dreaded virus I was just wondering how nhs staff feel about it.
Are you going to have it or not? Just a yes or no will do..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It would never be mandatory. We get offered the flu jab every year and the take up isn’t that high, and no one is ever forced .
I’m not 100% but leaning more towards yes - just for the sake of normality returning |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It would never be mandatory. We get offered the flu jab every year and the take up isn’t that high, and no one is ever forced .
I’m not 100% but leaning more towards yes - just for the sake of normality returning "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die"
Are there any implications for health care staff on their life insurance in relation to refusal of any other vaccine? |
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers.
Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken."
That would be hard for airlines to enforce if not everyone is offered one. It may be you’ll still need to take a test prior to departure |
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die
Are there any implications for health care staff on their life insurance in relation to refusal of any other vaccine?"
That's what I'm asking
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die
Are there any implications for health care staff on their life insurance in relation to refusal of any other vaccine?
That's what I'm asking
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Apologies
I thought your question was specific to a Covid 19 vaccine, hence my curiosity about any existing clauses regarding any other vaccines |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? "
No but they could be redeployed.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers.
Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken.
That would be hard for airlines to enforce if not everyone is offered one. It may be you’ll still need to take a test prior to departure "
There is talk about it being added to your passport as to whether you have had the vaccine and then it would be up to the discretion of the airline to take you or not. Also some countries may decide they won't let people in if they haven't had it but I guess only time will tell. |
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers.
Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken.
That would be hard for airlines to enforce if not everyone is offered one. It may be you’ll still need to take a test prior to departure
There is talk about it being added to your passport as to whether you have had the vaccine and then it would be up to the discretion of the airline to take you or not. Also some countries may decide they won't let people in if they haven't had it but I guess only time will tell. "
I can see that happening if everyone is actually offered the chance to take the vaccine, and that is not my understanding of it at the moment, ie the rumour is children (unless vulnerable) aren’t to be offered it.... so that’s the end of family holidays, I doubt it |
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By *htcMan
over a year ago
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I will wait for all the world test dummy's go take there doses first, it's still not proven vaccine takes years to properly test not month's.
Like the Chinese vaccine your sick, high temperature, strong head aches, and in a bad way for several days. You have to pay for it and not work while you take it as your that weak you can't work at all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I will wait for all the world test dummy's go take there doses first, it's still not proven vaccine takes years to properly test not month's.
Like the Chinese vaccine your sick, high temperature, strong head aches, and in a bad way for several days. You have to pay for it and not work while you take it as your that weak you can't work at all."
Actually yes it takes years to develop a vaccine however the testing of said vaccine usually takes 9 to 15 months. I don't know why people don't understand that it takes so long because it's not normally such a priority it's nothing to do with compromising on the safety testing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I will wait for all the world test dummy's go take there doses first, it's still not proven vaccine takes years to properly test not month's.
Like the Chinese vaccine your sick, high temperature, strong head aches, and in a bad way for several days. You have to pay for it and not work while you take it as your that weak you can't work at all."
Also I'd rather feel rough and take a week off work than constantly having to take 2 weeks off because I keep being told but I am in contact with somebody who was tested positive. I don't understand why anybody wouldn't do the same. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
No but they could be redeployed.
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Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
No but they could be redeployed.
Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? "
All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable. |
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die
Are there any implications for health care staff on their life insurance in relation to refusal of any other vaccine?
That's what I'm asking
Apologies
I thought your question was specific to a Covid 19 vaccine, hence my curiosity about any existing clauses regarding any other vaccines"
No need to apologise, just thinking out loud as are many. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers.
Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken.
That would be hard for airlines to enforce if not everyone is offered one. It may be you’ll still need to take a test prior to departure
There is talk about it being added to your passport as to whether you have had the vaccine and then it would be up to the discretion of the airline to take you or not. Also some countries may decide they won't let people in if they haven't had it but I guess only time will tell. "
It will happen and Australia already on board and getting that rolled out
But freedoms arent being tsken away its all conspiracy  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
No but they could be redeployed.
Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines?
All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable. "
Sorry I don't quite understand your relly. I was asking a genuine question about other vaccines that are offered to NHS staff for communicable illnesses . I know it is not an issue in social care so wondered if it were in Health, and is it grounds for redeployment, which you highlighted as a possibility for staff who do not take up a covid vaccine. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die
Are there any implications for health care staff on their life insurance in relation to refusal of any other vaccine?
That's what I'm asking
Apologies
I thought your question was specific to a Covid 19 vaccine, hence my curiosity about any existing clauses regarding any other vaccines
No need to apologise, just thinking out loud as are many."
So do you know if such clauses are in place in regards to any other vaccines? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
No but they could be redeployed.
Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines?
All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable.
Sorry I don't quite understand your relly. I was asking a genuine question about other vaccines that are offered to NHS staff for communicable illnesses . I know it is not an issue in social care so wondered if it were in Health, and is it grounds for redeployment, which you highlighted as a possibility for staff who do not take up a covid vaccine. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Iknow someone who had a test sent out they kept it on top of the fridge and didn't use it. 4 days later they got a reply saying they tested positive. Hard job! Fucker didn't even get used! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
No but they could be redeployed.
Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines?
All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable.
Sorry I don't quite understand your relly. I was asking a genuine question about other vaccines that are offered to NHS staff for communicable illnesses . I know it is not an issue in social care so wondered if it were in Health, and is it grounds for redeployment, which you highlighted as a possibility for staff who do not take up a covid vaccine. "
In all honesty I don't know, But I can definitely imagine a situation where only staff that have been vaccinated for covid are allowed to work on the front line.
Also I suspect that care homes would very much encourage their staff to have the vaccine and not sure the implications if they don't.
I know lots of people that work in the nhs and have but one said they would have it.
One who is my best friend is on the fence but only because she has allergies so isn't sure if she can have it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When a vaccine gets here it's totally up to people if they want it or not.
If they refuse it and then get the Corona then that's something they and others will have to deal with the fall-out. |
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
No but they could be redeployed.
Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines?
All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable.
Sorry I don't quite understand your relly. I was asking a genuine question about other vaccines that are offered to NHS staff for communicable illnesses . I know it is not an issue in social care so wondered if it were in Health, and is it grounds for redeployment, which you highlighted as a possibility for staff who do not take up a covid vaccine.
In all honesty I don't know, But I can definitely imagine a situation where only staff that have been vaccinated for covid are allowed to work on the front line.
Also I suspect that care homes would very much encourage their staff to have the vaccine and not sure the implications if they don't.
I know lots of people that work in the nhs and have but one said they would have it.
One who is my best friend is on the fence but only because she has allergies so isn't sure if she can have it."
If she's worried about egg allergy etc, the Covid vaccine has nothing to do with egg. Because it's an mRNA vaccine, there's no virus to grow and harvest so no need for egg etc. Many flu vaccines are now egg free too because there are other ways to manufacture it, eg recombinant vaccines. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
No but they could be redeployed.
Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines?
All the others as prevalent as they sit the moment? Are the others mainly being spread in hospitals and care homes? This is not comparable.
Sorry I don't quite understand your relly. I was asking a genuine question about other vaccines that are offered to NHS staff for communicable illnesses . I know it is not an issue in social care so wondered if it were in Health, and is it grounds for redeployment, which you highlighted as a possibility for staff who do not take up a covid vaccine.
In all honesty I don't know, But I can definitely imagine a situation where only staff that have been vaccinated for covid are allowed to work on the front line.
Also I suspect that care homes would very much encourage their staff to have the vaccine and not sure the implications if they don't.
I know lots of people that work in the nhs and have but one said they would have it.
One who is my best friend is on the fence but only because she has allergies so isn't sure if she can have it.
If she's worried about egg allergy etc, the Covid vaccine has nothing to do with egg. Because it's an mRNA vaccine, there's no virus to grow and harvest so no need for egg etc. Many flu vaccines are now egg free too because there are other ways to manufacture it, eg recombinant vaccines."
To be honest she seems to have an allergy to everything.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I feel so strongly about this as at least 60% of the adult population need to be vaccinated for it to be effective. Some people can’t be vaccinated. As someone that has worked my whole career in the NHS I want to lead by example |
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By *atnat85Woman
over a year ago
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
No but they could be redeployed.
Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? "
Kind of . When recruiting new starters(NHS) ours are told job offers may be withdrawn if they decline
Being immunized against certain diseases. However I have never personally come across an offer being withdrawn for that reason x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers.
Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken.
That would be hard for airlines to enforce if not everyone is offered one. It may be you’ll still need to take a test prior to departure
There is talk about it being added to your passport as to whether you have had the vaccine and then it would be up to the discretion of the airline to take you or not. Also some countries may decide they won't let people in if they haven't had it but I guess only time will tell.
It will happen and Australia already on board and getting that rolled out
But freedoms arent being tsken away its all conspiracy "
the freedom to enter a foreign country isnt actually a right ... its a privilege and one that could have been taken away at any point by a country covid or not |
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"Given that it seems we are close to having a vaccine for this dreaded virus I was just wondering how nhs staff feel about it.
Are you going to have it or not? Just a yes or no will do....."
Yes for both of us. |
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
Camarthen |
"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die"
It's been mentioned that having an antibody test can even affect your life/health insurance |
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"What will the life insurance implications for staff refusing the vaccine who in the course of duties become infected and die
It's been mentioned that having an antibody test can even affect your life/health insurance"
How can having a simple blood test effect ur life/health insurance?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes. Definitely. Already have a flu jab, a pneumococcal jab so no problem having another if it keeps us well and safe and has an impact on infection rates  |
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I have a flu jab every year - no problem.
I understand the clinical trials process so have faith it will be safe.
I don’t think it should be mandatory, it is down to choice... but maybe sign a waiver that they don’t want any healthcare provision if they do get COVID as a result ... or will accept they are a lower priority to be treated .... now there’s a thought!!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I feel so strongly about this as at least 60% of the adult population need to be vaccinated for it to be effective. Some people can’t be vaccinated. As someone that has worked my whole career in the NHS I want to lead by example "
Agreed.
I will. But those that don’t will cause issues.
Look at those kids that suffered because of false research into MMR vaccines. All those that can, should. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m a yes but do wonder what the scenario will be for those already on vaccine trials. About a 1/3rd of our department is already on the Oxford or Cambridge trial. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I feel so strongly about this as at least 60% of the adult population need to be vaccinated for it to be effective. Some people can’t be vaccinated. As someone that has worked my whole career in the NHS I want to lead by example
Agreed.
I will. But those that don’t will cause issues.
Look at those kids that suffered because of false research into MMR vaccines. All those that can, should. "
Agree 100% |
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By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
Thanks again all. Did anyone watch QT last night, mainly about the vaccine, it was interesting although I didn't watch it all. Fiona Bruce makes me go all 
Anyway there was a guy saying that they don't even know how long the immunity lasts after having it. 3 months? 6 months? Also basically it was said they are rolling it out to protect the more vunerable amongst us not the person having it.
No children will have it either as there hasn't been enough testing.
I'm still 50/50. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wouldn't be surprised... especially the way its treated whistle blowers.
Considering the whats happened this year if airlines also insisted on a vaccine being taken."
There’s a very big difference between an employer forcing its staff to take a vaccine and an airline advising passengers, who can choose another airline, that they will be required to vaccinate before being allowed on its plane. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Given that it seems we are close to having a vaccine for this dreaded virus I was just wondering how nhs staff feel about it.
Are you going to have it or not? Just a yes or no will do....."
Yes |
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By *j48Man
over a year ago
Wigan |
"The vaccination should be offered to all nhs staff 1st then ambulance then all care home staff and patience, we need the nhs staff to look after us when we ill so they must go 1st "
Isn't that a game of cards, or it it just biding your time? |
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By *inkySeeKinkyDoWoman
over a year ago
'tween PontyCarlo & CasVegas in West Yorks |
"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy?? "
Many of my nursing colleagues wouldnt have the normal flu jab. A Trust I've worked for did go through a period of disciplining staff who were off sick through the winter months if they hadnt had the flu jab, so it wouldnt surprise me!
Ive always had it as actual full blown flu is horrendous, and having now had Covid-19 too, I definitely would
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
Many of my nursing colleagues wouldnt have the normal flu jab. A Trust I've worked for did go through a period of disciplining staff who were off sick through the winter months if they hadnt had the flu jab, so it wouldnt surprise me!
Ive always had it as actual full blown flu is horrendous, and having now had Covid-19 too, I definitely would
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How did they prove it was definitely flu and definitely related to not having the vaccine? |
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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago
Plymouth |
I defintely think it could be a contractual agreement for NHS and care staff. No vaccine no job.
For me yes I'll have it! Personally covid and social isolation have been my own personal hell!! Im at the point where I'd rather die from a dodgy vaccine than live like this forever! Just my personal view.
I understand the need however, I dont think they fully understand the long term impact... its going to be massive!! |
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"Still think vaccines are safe?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html?fbclid=IwAR3A7DnTgDZ1g8K4Yzb0dMt2p4wmE9y8lioldSzjvw1RTlHVeZaZBLZ0wGA"
Yes... safer than the disease they’re protecting us from anyway. When my mum was a small child in east London kids were suffering all around her from polio .... doesn’t exist now. So yes yes and yes again. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"Apparently the covid vaccine has MRC-5 Caucasian aborted foetus cells in it.."
I think the MCR-5 in question is only derived from the original research which indeed was derived from a 14 week Caucasian foetus?
The use of MCR-5 vaccines has been endorsed by the majority of faith leaders including the Vatican. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Apparently the covid vaccine has MRC-5 Caucasian aborted foetus cells in it..
Why is it relevant what colour the foetus was ?"
Because the MCR-5 diploid cell culture line was specifically derived from a 14 week Caucasian aborted foetus. |
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"*Sigh*
Read this, in particular the final section: BBC News - The coronavirus pandemic 'great reset' theory and a false vaccine claim debunked
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55017002"
Are you telling me that the vaccine definitely won't contain bill gates semen |
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"Still think vaccines are safe?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html?fbclid=IwAR3A7DnTgDZ1g8K4Yzb0dMt2p4wmE9y8lioldSzjvw1RTlHVeZaZBLZ0wGA"
Might I suggest you click on your link and actually read the 3 most recent issues ? |
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"*Sigh*
Read this, in particular the final section: BBC News - The coronavirus pandemic 'great reset' theory and a false vaccine claim debunked
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55017002
Are you telling me that the vaccine definitely won't contain bill gates semen "
No semen, but Sandra off FB told me it's got unicorn tears in, and I'm opposed to the exploitation of unicorns  |
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"I will wait for all the world test dummy's go take there doses first, it's still not proven vaccine takes years to properly test not month's.
Like the Chinese vaccine your sick, high temperature, strong head aches, and in a bad way for several days. You have to pay for it and not work while you take it as your that weak you can't work at all.
Actually yes it takes years to develop a vaccine however the testing of said vaccine usually takes 9 to 15 months. I don't know why people don't understand that it takes so long because it's not normally such a priority it's nothing to do with compromising on the safety testing. "
It takes the time each does for many reasons, often related to securing finance for each stage, deployment of vaccine trials in many different countries around the world, securing authorisations for the trials in each different country as well as the potentially tough job of getting tens or hundreds of thousands of volunteers in so many different places, to be found and to agree to trialling something for a disease that they may have little interest in.
Compare that with today, where every country is impacted, people are motivated wanting to get this over with and to contribute to well-being every where. Plus funding is more readily available, governments are interested too, helping to ease the way.
A lot of what you claim to be the 'years to develop a vaccine' has been eased for so very many reasons that you've perhaps overlooked. Much of the standard time frame for stages 2 and 3, with protraction between them, isn't related to safety or science, nor thoroughness of how things are done - it's related to money, bureaucracy, disinterest amongst countries that take persuasion, education and time to get on board amongst other factors.
The present global cooperation and speed with scientific research sharing is unprecedented in its levels of achievement. The many years of determined hard work undertaken by people such as those working on mRNA, underpins much of what we've done. We've not started from scratch since January this year - many earlier years' hard work has contributed to what we've gained. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I will wait for all the world test dummy's go take there doses first, it's still not proven vaccine takes years to properly test not month's.
Like the Chinese vaccine your sick, high temperature, strong head aches, and in a bad way for several days. You have to pay for it and not work while you take it as your that weak you can't work at all.
Actually yes it takes years to develop a vaccine however the testing of said vaccine usually takes 9 to 15 months. I don't know why people don't understand that it takes so long because it's not normally such a priority it's nothing to do with compromising on the safety testing.
It takes the time each does for many reasons, often related to securing finance for each stage, deployment of vaccine trials in many different countries around the world, securing authorisations for the trials in each different country as well as the potentially tough job of getting tens or hundreds of thousands of volunteers in so many different places, to be found and to agree to trialling something for a disease that they may have little interest in.
Compare that with today, where every country is impacted, people are motivated wanting to get this over with and to contribute to well-being every where. Plus funding is more readily available, governments are interested too, helping to ease the way.
A lot of what you claim to be the 'years to develop a vaccine' has been eased for so very many reasons that you've perhaps overlooked. Much of the standard time frame for stages 2 and 3, with protraction between them, isn't related to safety or science, nor thoroughness of how things are done - it's related to money, bureaucracy, disinterest amongst countries that take persuasion, education and time to get on board amongst other factors.
The present global cooperation and speed with scientific research sharing is unprecedented in its levels of achievement. The many years of determined hard work undertaken by people such as those working on mRNA, underpins much of what we've done. We've not started from scratch since January this year - many earlier years' hard work has contributed to what we've gained. "
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"Apparently the covid vaccine has MRC-5 Caucasian aborted foetus cells in it..
Why is it relevant what colour the foetus was ?"
Not relevant to me. Here's the link on the science. You decide
https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/05/63752/
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Could never be mandatory, K is NHS and lots of her colleagues are dubious"
Depends how you define mandatory.
If by mandatory you mean you will be under indefinite house arrest unless you have it, then yes it absolutely will be mandatory.
As for whether I'll take it, not unless I'm forced.
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The gov wouldn’t give it out if they knew it was unsafe. It’s more of a question of if it will do its job.
NHS staff could be receiving the jab in a matter of days.
Get jabbed, let’s get the f**k out of this mess ASAP |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"From what I understand it’s the elderly and vulnerable first then nhs staff and care home staff. Yes I shall be having it
Mrs ikc"
Its at the same time.
Care home residents and staff first then 80+ and Frontline NSH staff.
The very high risk under 60 are 6th on the list. |
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"The gov wouldn’t give it out if they knew it was unsafe. It’s more of a question of if it will do its job.
NHS staff could be receiving the jab in a matter of days.
Get jabbed, let’s get the f**k out of this mess ASAP"
Government care ? Hahahahahahahah |
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
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Not in the NHS but I put my name down to be tested.
If it helps to end this.
At my age being single with no dependants and more expendable than most it dosnt matter hugely if I dont make it. |
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"Given that it seems we are close to having a vaccine for this dreaded virus I was just wondering how nhs staff feel about it.
Are you going to have it or not? Just a yes or no will do....."
Yes |
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
No but they could be redeployed.
Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines? "
Vaccines aren’t mandatory |
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"Could be mandatory ....
You really think the NHS will sack staff for exercising their basic human right to bodily autonomy??
No but they could be redeployed.
Out of interest, do they redeploy staff who decline other vaccines?
Vaccines aren’t mandatory "
I'm hoping they will be mandatory for all overseas travel |
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