I'll take any vaccine with an over 50% effectiveness rate that has passed appropriate regulatory authority, as long as my doctor doesn't tell me not to (I've never had a serious adverse reaction, but I have family history of it).
I'll do my bit to bring this to an end, as I've done all along. |
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"Sounds good but it’s got some drawbacks. It’s a two parter with a three week gap in between & it has to be stored at -80c which might make transport an issue short term.
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It shouldn't be an issue in the UK. It'll definitely be an issue in other places.
Hopefully with the new presidency there'll be more cooperation with China and their vaccine development (I'm not saying that that's good let alone ready for prime time, but my understanding is that US funding is not allowed to go to anything related to China, which is bonkers) |
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over a year ago
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"Sounds good but it’s got some drawbacks. It’s a two parter with a three week gap in between & it has to be stored at -80c which might make transport an issue short term.
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It shouldn't be an issue in the UK. It'll definitely be an issue in other places.
Hopefully with the new presidency there'll be more cooperation with China and their vaccine development (I'm not saying that that's good let alone ready for prime time, but my understanding is that US funding is not allowed to go to anything related to China, which is bonkers)"
True but it’s Pzifer a US company so hopefully they’ll just let China make their own to share in that part of the world.
Was that a pig that just flew past?
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"Sounds good but it’s got some drawbacks. It’s a two parter with a three week gap in between & it has to be stored at -80c which might make transport an issue short term.
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It shouldn't be an issue in the UK. It'll definitely be an issue in other places.
Hopefully with the new presidency there'll be more cooperation with China and their vaccine development (I'm not saying that that's good let alone ready for prime time, but my understanding is that US funding is not allowed to go to anything related to China, which is bonkers)
True but it’s Pzifer a US company so hopefully they’ll just let China make their own to share in that part of the world.
Was that a pig that just flew past?
S"
US funding has been for multiple vaccine candidates, not just Pfizer. Oxford/AstroZenica, Johnson and Johnson, and Moderna as well, off the top of my head. |
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over a year ago
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"Sounds good but it’s got some drawbacks. It’s a two parter with a three week gap in between & it has to be stored at -80c which might make transport an issue short term.
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It shouldn't be an issue in the UK. It'll definitely be an issue in other places.
Hopefully with the new presidency there'll be more cooperation with China and their vaccine development (I'm not saying that that's good let alone ready for prime time, but my understanding is that US funding is not allowed to go to anything related to China, which is bonkers)
True but it’s Pzifer a US company so hopefully they’ll just let China make their own to share in that part of the world.
Was that a pig that just flew past?
S
US funding has been for multiple vaccine candidates, not just Pfizer. Oxford/AstroZenica, Johnson and Johnson, and Moderna as well, off the top of my head."
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"Sounds good but it’s got some drawbacks. It’s a two parter with a three week gap in between & it has to be stored at -80c which might make transport an issue short term.
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It shouldn't be an issue in the UK. It'll definitely be an issue in other places.
Hopefully with the new presidency there'll be more cooperation with China and their vaccine development (I'm not saying that that's good let alone ready for prime time, but my understanding is that US funding is not allowed to go to anything related to China, which is bonkers)
True but it’s Pzifer a US company so hopefully they’ll just let China make their own to share in that part of the world.
Was that a pig that just flew past?
S
US funding has been for multiple vaccine candidates, not just Pfizer. Oxford/AstroZenica, Johnson and Johnson, and Moderna as well, off the top of my head."
Pfizer stated quite clearly they did NOT receive any funding for the development of the vaccine from any government.
And yes given the choice i will have it if it is released. |
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"Sounds good but it’s got some drawbacks. It’s a two parter with a three week gap in between & it has to be stored at -80c which might make transport an issue short term.
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It shouldn't be an issue in the UK. It'll definitely be an issue in other places.
Hopefully with the new presidency there'll be more cooperation with China and their vaccine development (I'm not saying that that's good let alone ready for prime time, but my understanding is that US funding is not allowed to go to anything related to China, which is bonkers)
True but it’s Pzifer a US company so hopefully they’ll just let China make their own to share in that part of the world.
Was that a pig that just flew past?
S
US funding has been for multiple vaccine candidates, not just Pfizer. Oxford/AstroZenica, Johnson and Johnson, and Moderna as well, off the top of my head.
Pfizer stated quite clearly they did NOT receive any funding for the development of the vaccine from any government.
And yes given the choice i will have it if it is released."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Not for me, at least not yet. But it's a really positive step that's for sure =) "
At your age you will have a long wait for vaccine anyway hopefully be proved safe by the time they give it to the twenty something's
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Id take it, but being under 50 theres not a hope of it or any other vaccine getting down to my age group in the next 5 years, realistically.
So how I see it happening. Those over 50 can go and have lives once vaccinated, those under 50 will remain in restrictions until our respective age groups are vaccinated. So a lot on this site will get their swinging back and being able to mix with friends, but a lot will not for years to come. |
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not for me, ive seen even well tested vaccines harm people, so a vaccine that has been develoved and tested in just a few months,not for me, whos to say it wont have long term effects? even the flue jab can kill people, ive seen this first hand |
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"not for me, ive seen even well tested vaccines harm people, so a vaccine that has been develoved and tested in just a few months,not for me, whos to say it wont have long term effects? even the flue jab can kill people, ive seen this first hand"
General anaesthetic kills people but would you have one of those?
Every medication carries a risk. |
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"Id take it, but being under 50 theres not a hope of it or any other vaccine getting down to my age group in the next 5 years, realistically.
So how I see it happening. Those over 50 can go and have lives once vaccinated, those under 50 will remain in restrictions until our respective age groups are vaccinated. So a lot on this site will get their swinging back and being able to mix with friends, but a lot will not for years to come. "
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"It'll be offered to most vulnerable first - BoJo interview today.
There will be limited supplies for export to start with most supplies will be used to treat people in the US first."
My understanding is that we will have 10 million doses which will vaccinate 5 million people hopefully before the end of the year then another 15 million by the end of March so another 7.5 million people.
I also understand that the priorities are the 1st batch will go to frontline medical staff and care homes for residents and staff.
Then the over 80's.
Then anyone over 50 in the extremely vulnerable group.
Then the over 65's.
Anyone over 18 in the extremely vulnerable group and all over 50's after that.
Then lastly althoug it hasn't fully been decided it will be available to the general population.
Quite a few scientists and virologists have said they can see some sort of normality by this time next year so I say that is a really good thing all though it's gonna be tough in the mean time it's a huge ray of hope. |
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I keep thinking thalidomide. People have short memories.
Even if this country is totally in the clear the rest of the world, particularly the the third world will be still suffering. Potentially respreading it.
The vaccine isn't the be all and end all.
Wish it were the solution. |
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"I keep thinking thalidomide. People have short memories.
Even if this country is totally in the clear the rest of the world, particularly the the third world will be still suffering. Potentially respreading it.
The vaccine isn't the be all and end all.
Wish it were the solution."
A that wasn't a vaccine and B We have advanced so much medically since then. can you give me an example of something in the last 20 years that has been proven to cause long term damage or birth defects? |
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By *nmgCouple
over a year ago
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"I keep thinking thalidomide. People have short memories.
Even if this country is totally in the clear the rest of the world, particularly the the third world will be still suffering. Potentially respreading it.
The vaccine isn't the be all and end all.
Wish it were the solution.
A that wasn't a vaccine and B We have advanced so much medically since then. can you give me an example of something in the last 20 years that has been proven to cause long term damage or birth defects?"
Totally agree with this. It's a FAR more advanced world now.
I'm in.... Where do I sign??! |
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over a year ago
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"I keep thinking thalidomide. People have short memories.
Even if this country is totally in the clear the rest of the world, particularly the the third world will be still suffering. Potentially respreading it.
The vaccine isn't the be all and end all.
Wish it were the solution.
A that wasn't a vaccine and B We have advanced so much medically since then. can you give me an example of something in the last 20 years that has been proven to cause long term damage or birth defects?"
not birth defects but ive seen my father turned from a vigorus able man to a bed bound wreck by the flue jab, like you say nothing is 100% safe, and that was recently |
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over a year ago
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"I keep thinking thalidomide. People have short memories.
Even if this country is totally in the clear the rest of the world, particularly the the third world will be still suffering. Potentially respreading it.
The vaccine isn't the be all and end all.
Wish it were the solution.
A that wasn't a vaccine and B We have advanced so much medically since then. can you give me an example of something in the last 20 years that has been proven to cause long term damage or birth defects?
not birth defects but ive seen my father turned from a vigorus able man to a bed bound wreck by the flue jab, like you say nothing is 100% safe, and that was recently"
OK I'm sorry that happened but how do you know it was the flu jab?
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"I keep thinking thalidomide. People have short memories.
Even if this country is totally in the clear the rest of the world, particularly the the third world will be still suffering. Potentially respreading it.
The vaccine isn't the be all and end all.
Wish it were the solution.
A that wasn't a vaccine and B We have advanced so much medically since then. can you give me an example of something in the last 20 years that has been proven to cause long term damage or birth defects?
not birth defects but ive seen my father turned from a vigorus able man to a bed bound wreck by the flue jab, like you say nothing is 100% safe, and that was recently
OK I'm sorry that happened but how do you know it was the flu jab?
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To be honest even if that was the case millions of people have the flu jab without any side effects. People will always have adverse reactions to everything but it's about checks and balances. I know I would rather have the flu vaccine rather than develop flu, I also know I will take a covid vaccine because I would rather have it and get it or pass it on. |
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over a year ago
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BioNtech - bill gates- microchip ploy as vaccine......actually it's part true he has invested billions in said company... you know the computer guy... with a interest in medicine  .....we love a good conspiracy |
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"BioNtech - bill gates- microchip ploy as vaccine......actually it's part true he has invested billions in said company... you know the computer guy... with a interest in medicine .....we love a good conspiracy "
Exactly this |
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over a year ago
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"Not for me, at least not yet. But it's a really positive step that's for sure =) At your age you will have a long wait for vaccine anyway hopefully be proved safe by the time they give it to the twenty something's"
I suppose you're assuming that's if I haven't got a health condition putting me within a vulnerable group. |
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From what I've seen and read so far it looks like i will be in the 2nd or 3rd group to be offered it ... extremely highly vulnerable, although as i have 2 autoimmune diseases I'm not sure I'll be able to have it. |
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"From what I've seen and read so far it looks like i will be in the 2nd or 3rd group to be offered it ... extremely highly vulnerable, although as i have 2 autoimmune diseases I'm not sure I'll be able to have it. "
Think i will be amongst the first to get it. Happy days.x |
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I drive covid-19 patients for testing daily (NHS), returning them home after test or taking to hospital if their O2 levels are low
I have never been offered a covid test myself and zero mention of any vaccine, our NHS is not on top of this. |
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"I keep thinking thalidomide. People have short memories.
Even if this country is totally in the clear the rest of the world, particularly the the third world will be still suffering. Potentially respreading it.
The vaccine isn't the be all and end all.
Wish it were the solution.
A that wasn't a vaccine and B We have advanced so much medically since then. can you give me an example of something in the last 20 years that has been proven to cause long term damage or birth defects?
not birth defects but ive seen my father turned from a vigorus able man to a bed bound wreck by the flue jab, like you say nothing is 100% safe, and that was recently
OK I'm sorry that happened but how do you know it was the flu jab?
To be honest even if that was the case millions of people have the flu jab without any side effects. People will always have adverse reactions to everything but it's about checks and balances. I know I would rather have the flu vaccine rather than develop flu, I also know I will take a covid vaccine because I would rather have it and get it or pass it on. "
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over a year ago
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Purely for my understanding, (and therefore possibly other people's), if someone had the vaccine I understand that it would make them potentially immune, but they could still spread the virus from surface to surface physically so it would only help the people who have been taken the vaccine, and and possibly it would need to be reinjected annually.
As I understand it not everybody will be offered it.
Therefore (if I understand it correctly) those who want to take it and and are offered (or can afford to pay for it privately) will be immune, and the people who choose not to to are only risking themselves?
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Not everyone will get this vaccine offered, there's no plans to give it to children. (Health Secretary BBC breakfast)
Vaccinate the vulnerable
I won't be signing up for this particular jab as it gives me nothing in addition to what I've already developed naturally and if it does need doing annually then ask me next year.
I won't be signing my kids up for it either and yes they are vaccinated, all standard stuff given to kids, so I'm not anti vaccines. |
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"Purely for my understanding, (and therefore possibly other people's), if someone had the vaccine I understand that it would make them potentially immune, but they could still spread the virus from surface to surface physically so it would only help the people who have been taken the vaccine, and and possibly it would need to be reinjected annually.
As I understand it not everybody will be offered it.
Therefore (if I understand it correctly) those who want to take it and and are offered (or can afford to pay for it privately) will be immune, and the people who choose not to to are only risking themselves?
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Or those who are not part of the 90% protected.
Or those who can't be vaccinated due to allergy or medical vulnerability. |
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"So I guess after they are vaccinated they would have to have some kind of test to see if they were part of the 90%?"
No. That's not how it works with any other vaccine.
If enough people are vaccinated these people are protected too. If they're not... well it's similar to what we see with measles coming back in the UK. |
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"I keep thinking thalidomide. People have short memories.
Even if this country is totally in the clear the rest of the world, particularly the the third world will be still suffering. Potentially respreading it.
The vaccine isn't the be all and end all.
Wish it were the solution.
A that wasn't a vaccine and B We have advanced so much medically since then. can you give me an example of something in the last 20 years that has been proven to cause long term damage or birth defects?
not birth defects but ive seen my father turned from a vigorus able man to a bed bound wreck by the flue jab, like you say nothing is 100% safe, and that was recently
OK I'm sorry that happened but how do you know it was the flu jab?
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My dad had a flu jab recently and was asked if he had reacted to the last jab. He said that it had made him really I'll for about 6 weeks. Doctor told him it's more likely he had coronavirus and just thought it was the jab |
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"Purely for my understanding, (and therefore possibly other people's), if someone had the vaccine I understand that it would make them potentially immune, but they could still spread the virus from surface to surface physically so it would only help the people who have been taken the vaccine, and and possibly it would need to be reinjected annually.
As I understand it not everybody will be offered it.
Therefore (if I understand it correctly) those who want to take it and and are offered (or can afford to pay for it privately) will be immune, and the people who choose not to to are only risking themselves?
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It's been stated this vaccine does not make you immune against covid. It only helps towards suppressing it in exactly the same way the flu jab works. It does not stop you contracting it |
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"Is it likely to be offered free to the more vulnerable, like the flu jab is currently?"
It's not going to be available to purchase privately for some time and will only be available to government to distribute as they see fit.
Almost everybody who gets a free flu vaccine will get this jab for free there's no doubt about that. |
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"Purely for my understanding, (and therefore possibly other people's), if someone had the vaccine I understand that it would make them potentially immune, but they could still spread the virus from surface to surface physically
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In the briefing last night they said (twice) that they didn't know if that was the case or not.
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"Purely for my understanding, (and therefore possibly other people's), if someone had the vaccine I understand that it would make them potentially immune, but they could still spread the virus from surface to surface physically so it would only help the people who have been taken the vaccine, and and possibly it would need to be reinjected annually.
As I understand it not everybody will be offered it.
Therefore (if I understand it correctly) those who want to take it and and are offered (or can afford to pay for it privately) will be immune, and the people who choose not to to are only risking themselves?
It's been stated this vaccine does not make you immune against covid. It only helps towards suppressing it in exactly the same way the flu jab works. It does not stop you contracting it "
Not all vaccines confer sterilising immunity. Some make disease less severe. This is still a win. |
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"Purely for my understanding, (and therefore possibly other people's), if someone had the vaccine I understand that it would make them potentially immune, but they could still spread the virus from surface to surface physically so it would only help the people who have been taken the vaccine, and and possibly it would need to be reinjected annually.
As I understand it not everybody will be offered it.
Therefore (if I understand it correctly) those who want to take it and and are offered (or can afford to pay for it privately) will be immune, and the people who choose not to to are only risking themselves?
It's been stated this vaccine does not make you immune against covid. It only helps towards suppressing it in exactly the same way the flu jab works. It does not stop you contracting it
Not all vaccines confer sterilising immunity. Some make disease less severe. This is still a win."
we, won't fully know its potential till we are, some years down the line. it takes years to verify things not 6 months. The same, thing happened with Ebola so I wouldn't get too excited just yet. Be optimistic, be cautious |
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"Purely for my understanding, (and therefore possibly other people's), if someone had the vaccine I understand that it would make them potentially immune, but they could still spread the virus from surface to surface physically so it would only help the people who have been taken the vaccine, and and possibly it would need to be reinjected annually.
As I understand it not everybody will be offered it.
Therefore (if I understand it correctly) those who want to take it and and are offered (or can afford to pay for it privately) will be immune, and the people who choose not to to are only risking themselves?
It's been stated this vaccine does not make you immune against covid. It only helps towards suppressing it in exactly the same way the flu jab works. It does not stop you contracting it
Not all vaccines confer sterilising immunity. Some make disease less severe. This is still a win.we, won't fully know its potential till we are, some years down the line. it takes years to verify things not 6 months. The same, thing happened with Ebola so I wouldn't get too excited just yet. Be optimistic, be cautious "
I'm getting my information from scientists.
Protective immunity in a vaccine is still a win, I'm not excited yet I'm waiting for official results and approval.
I'm not waiting for "the swingers said it takes years so this probably means nothing" |
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This one tricks your DNA into fighting covid ,All I've heard in news is the amazing economic benefits this will bring ,I for one wont be taking it ,if its manipulation of my dna I just wonder what else it can tell my dna to do  |
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"Purely for my understanding, (and therefore possibly other people's), if someone had the vaccine I understand that it would make them potentially immune, but they could still spread the virus from surface to surface physically so it would only help the people who have been taken the vaccine, and and possibly it would need to be reinjected annually.
As I understand it not everybody will be offered it.
Therefore (if I understand it correctly) those who want to take it and and are offered (or can afford to pay for it privately) will be immune, and the people who choose not to to are only risking themselves?
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We don't have the full Stage 3 trial results yet, which will cover the full analysis of how well it works - we were given an advance notice of its positive results. We'll have to wait for the full results and peer-reviewed analysis, to be able to understand its full scope.
With a very high level of protection, it will be easier to achieve herd immunity, which will protect everyone, once sufficient levels of the population have been vaccinated, including those unable to have it, due to medical reasons etc. It was herd immunity that helped to stop the higher incidence rates of measles here, until some parents stopped vaccinating their children.
In short, we just need to wait a little while, until we get the full details from the trials. The Oxford vaccine will likewise get its results published too. With 2 or more vaccines available, there could be choice over what someone may receive - both, or others too, woll contribute towards herd immunity. |
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"Purely for my understanding, (and therefore possibly other people's), if someone had the vaccine I understand that it would make them potentially immune, but they could still spread the virus from surface to surface physically so it would only help the people who have been taken the vaccine, and and possibly it would need to be reinjected annually.
As I understand it not everybody will be offered it.
Therefore (if I understand it correctly) those who want to take it and and are offered (or can afford to pay for it privately) will be immune, and the people who choose not to to are only risking themselves?
It's been stated this vaccine does not make you immune against covid. It only helps towards suppressing it in exactly the same way the flu jab works. It does not stop you contracting it "
That was my understanding too. Unless I'm mistaken it therefore does not stop you passing it on either. Just reduces the catching of it and its spread. Something that the change is some people's behaviour has been doing too. |
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"This one tricks your DNA into fighting covid ,All I've heard in news is the amazing economic benefits this will bring ,I for one wont be taking it ,if its manipulation of my dna I just wonder what else it can tell my dna to do "
I'd be more worried about what Covid can tell your dna to do and worse still how the effects of contracting Covid could be passed genetically to future children.
All viruses have the ability to modify your dna including some causing cancer
Your next fab degree should involve epigenetics |
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"This one tricks your DNA into fighting covid ,All I've heard in news is the amazing economic benefits this will bring ,I for one wont be taking it ,if its manipulation of my dna I just wonder what else it can tell my dna to do "
Not really DNA.
This is RNA - a protein that DNA tells the cells to make.
There's a nice lightweight explanation of RNA vaccines (pre covid) if you Google "RNA vaccines: an introduction PHG Foundation.
I'm NOT a virologist, but I don't see this turning anyone into a monkey...
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By *litterbabeWoman
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So then I feel the people who who can't have it and are also vulnerable, (of which I magine there would not be many) would likely be advised to keep social distancing for the foreseeable future I imagine.
It will still be spreading between people, but many people will have developed immunity or or have been vaccinated.
If there are a few different vaccinations available though, there may be different choices depending on what triggers allergies etc.
I feel it would not be considered anything more that a personal choice for those who choose not to have it, as as everybody may be able to spread it, regardless of whether they are vaccinated or not, so they are only making choices about their own health not their ability to spread it to other or vulnerable people.
There would be no need for the immunity passports that have been discussed before, as regardless of immunity we are likely to still be able to spread it. |
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Just reading about it, the 90% success rate is based on a trial of 44,000 people where 94 became symptomatically infected, across three different countries.
In other words, it’s not a very big trial. |
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"Just reading about it, the 90% success rate is based on a trial of 44,000 people where 94 became symptomatically infected, across three different countries.
In other words, it’s not a very big trial. "
I'm surprised, in my head it was much bigger. (A common fab occurance) |
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"Just reading about it, the 90% success rate is based on a trial of 44,000 people where 94 became symptomatically infected, across three different countries.
In other words, it’s not a very big trial.
I'm surprised, in my head it was much bigger. (A common fab occurance)"
Lol I wonder how many people have been developing unrealistic fantasies in their heads this year... |
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"Id take it, but being under 50 theres not a hope of it or any other vaccine getting down to my age group in the next 5 years, realistically.
So how I see it happening. Those over 50 can go and have lives once vaccinated, those under 50 will remain in restrictions until our respective age groups are vaccinated. So a lot on this site will get their swinging back and being able to mix with friends, but a lot will not for years to come.
I doubt you have to wait 5 years! Where did you get that from? "
That’s what I thought Lorna! |
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"Just reading about it, the 90% success rate is based on a trial of 44,000 people where 94 became symptomatically infected, across three different countries.
In other words, it’s not a very big trial. "
It doesn’t have to be be a great number of people for a trial |
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"Just reading about it, the 90% success rate is based on a trial of 44,000 people where 94 became symptomatically infected, across three different countries.
In other words, it’s not a very big trial. "
Think that number is the total of the multiple trials done but the number of different people involved in the trials may have been about a third of that figure.
The misleading information is one assumes all trials have been done, however this is far from the case, one of the trials showed 90% effective. What was that trial? What other trials have yet to be done? Will we know the results of these other trials? |
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"This one tricks your DNA into fighting covid ,All I've heard in news is the amazing economic benefits this will bring ,I for one wont be taking it ,if its manipulation of my dna I just wonder what else it can tell my dna to do
I'd be more worried about what Covid can tell your dna to do and worse still how the effects of contracting Covid could be passed genetically to future children.
All viruses have the ability to modify your dna including some causing cancer
Your next fab degree should involve epigenetics"
Certainly plenty of existing instance of viral infections from childhood coming back to haunt adults. Forty odd years ago i had chicken pox. Now I'm prone to outbreaks of shingles when stressed and run down. It's bloody painful and can be life changing - last outbreak was on my face and doctor told me that if it wasn't for the strong antiviral drugs now available it could have spread into my eyes and caused blindness. |
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"This one tricks your DNA into fighting covid ,All I've heard in news is the amazing economic benefits this will bring ,I for one wont be taking it ,if its manipulation of my dna I just wonder what else it can tell my dna to do
I'd be more worried about what Covid can tell your dna to do and worse still how the effects of contracting Covid could be passed genetically to future children.
All viruses have the ability to modify your dna including some causing cancer
Your next fab degree should involve epigenetics
Certainly plenty of existing instance of viral infections from childhood coming back to haunt adults. Forty odd years ago i had chicken pox. Now I'm prone to outbreaks of shingles when stressed and run down. It's bloody painful and can be life changing - last outbreak was on my face and doctor told me that if it wasn't for the strong antiviral drugs now available it could have spread into my eyes and caused blindness."
Nowhere near the same, but I get warts in my fingers when I get stressed |
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"90% success rate
I’m in
Who’s with me ?"
If it is not 100% then no sane person should be interested, imagine getting on an airplane and the pilot tells you there is only a 90% chance the plane will not crash and burn, would you stay on the plane of get off..? |
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"90% success rate
I’m in
Who’s with me ?
If it is not 100% then no sane person should be interested, imagine getting on an airplane and the pilot tells you there is only a 90% chance the plane will not crash and burn, would you stay on the plane of get off..?"
I'm clearly not sane |
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"90% success rate
I’m in
Who’s with me ?
If it is not 100% then no sane person should be interested, imagine getting on an airplane and the pilot tells you there is only a 90% chance the plane will not crash and burn, would you stay on the plane of get off..?"
Or... 90% of the time this will work and 10% of the time you'll get a sore arm and it won't work?
The flaming death scenario are one in millions chances, something that anti vaxxers tend to forget.
Vaccine preventable disease? Just a sniffle. Measles wasn't a big deal. Deaths? Nah. Good nutrition sorts that out.
Covid- inflate survival rate, conflate survival with recovery. Long term effects don't exist and they refuse to address them.
Vaccines? Ooh this (one in millions) bad thing happened with a vaccine once, so you have a one in ten chance of a gory death!
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If it is not 100% then no sane person should be interested, imagine getting on an airplane and the pilot tells you there is only a 90% chance the plane will not crash and burn, would you stay on the plane of get off..?"
so the education system failed again.
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"Sounds good but it’s got some drawbacks. It’s a two parter with a three week gap in between & it has to be stored at -80c which might make transport an issue short term.
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It shouldn't be an issue in the UK. It'll definitely be an issue in other places.
Hopefully with the new presidency there'll be more cooperation with China and their vaccine development (I'm not saying that that's good let alone ready for prime time, but my understanding is that US funding is not allowed to go to anything related to China, which is bonkers)"
What could possibly go wrong.. Safe as houses..
Roll up roll up
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"90% success rate
I’m in
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If it is not 100% then no sane person should be interested, imagine getting on an airplane and the pilot tells you there is only a 90% chance the plane will not crash and burn, would you stay on the plane of get off..?"
So I'm assuming if that is your logic then you don't use condoms because there not a 100% safe?
It is 90% effective and More than can be said for a lot of medication available that we take daily in this country.
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"90% success rate
I’m in
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If it is not 100% then no sane person should be interested, imagine getting on an airplane and the pilot tells you there is only a 90% chance the plane will not crash and burn, would you stay on the plane of get off..?
So I'm assuming if that is your logic then you don't use condoms because there not a 100% safe?
It is 90% effective and More than can be said for a lot of medication available that we take daily in this country.
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Of course its safe. This genetic engineering is very clever stuff you know. |
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"90% success rate
I’m in
Who’s with me ?
If it is not 100% then no sane person should be interested, imagine getting on an airplane and the pilot tells you there is only a 90% chance the plane will not crash and burn, would you stay on the plane of get off..?
So I'm assuming if that is your logic then you don't use condoms because there not a 100% safe?
It is 90% effective and More than can be said for a lot of medication available that we take daily in this country.
Of course its safe. This genetic engineering is very clever stuff you know. "
If you don't want to take it don't take it just thank scare monger or take the piss out of people that would. |
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"90% success rate
I’m in
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If it is not 100% then no sane person should be interested, imagine getting on an airplane and the pilot tells you there is only a 90% chance the plane will not crash and burn, would you stay on the plane of get off..?
So I'm assuming if that is your logic then you don't use condoms because there not a 100% safe?
It is 90% effective and More than can be said for a lot of medication available that we take daily in this country.
Of course its safe. This genetic engineering is very clever stuff you know.
If you don't want to take it don't take it just thank scare monger or take the piss out of people that would."
That's not scare mongering. It genuinely is very clever stuff??.
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"Just reading about it, the 90% success rate is based on a trial of 44,000 people where 94 became symptomatically infected, across three different countries.
In other words, it’s not a very big trial.
Think that number is the total of the multiple trials done but the number of different people involved in the trials may have been about a third of that figure.
The misleading information is one assumes all trials have been done, however this is far from the case, one of the trials showed 90% effective. What was that trial? What other trials have yet to be done? Will we know the results of these other trials?"
It’s as I said, the 44,000 and 94 figures I gave above are specifically the Pfizer vaccine trial that they’ve run across three countries, not any other vaccine trial. |
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"This one tricks your DNA into fighting covid ,All I've heard in news is the amazing economic benefits this will bring ,I for one wont be taking it ,if its manipulation of my dna I just wonder what else it can tell my dna to do
I'd be more worried about what Covid can tell your dna to do and worse still how the effects of contracting Covid could be passed genetically to future children.
All viruses have the ability to modify your dna including some causing cancer
Your next fab degree should involve epigenetics
Certainly plenty of existing instance of viral infections from childhood coming back to haunt adults. Forty odd years ago i had chicken pox. Now I'm prone to outbreaks of shingles when stressed and run down. It's bloody painful and can be life changing - last outbreak was on my face and doctor told me that if it wasn't for the strong antiviral drugs now available it could have spread into my eyes and caused blindness."
I too had a bad bout of shingles in my mid 70s an was lucky enough to get an appropriate vaccine, this is only available to people between the ages of 70 to 80. The vaccine can be obtained privately at a cost of around £150 - £200, talk to your G.P. |
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