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"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness!" Very good news,  | |||
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"Very encouraging news but a logistical headache. With storage and transportation at -80C" Manageable in large urban centres in first world countries. Difficult otherwise | |||
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"How cold is that... ? Surely large refrigerated containers will go to testing sites and the injection could be given there... will take time... but a massive step " Fantastic news
I'll need a bit of working out as I think commercial refrigeration units are generally geared up to work at around -20C.
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"Is that the one bill gates part owns "Could be - it seems you have to have an update two weeks after first installation...  | |||
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Could be - it seems you have to have an update two weeks after first installation... "Absolute quality joke and one that I shall be recycling at a later date. Thank you in advance | |||
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"Apparently can manufacture 50m units by the end of the year - this isn’t going to be a quick process. We (UK) are expecting 10m the year end. " Very encouraging, | |||
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"Apparently can manufacture 50m units by the end of the year - this isn’t going to be a quick process. We (UK) are expecting 10m the year end. " It'll be staged, given to those with the greatest need. Still. It's a way out. | |||
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"*Rolls up sleeve and presents arm in readiness...." Give it to me, baby... | |||
"Apparently can manufacture 50m units by the end of the year - this isn’t going to be a quick process. We (UK) are expecting 10m the year end. " 50m doses and each person requires 2 doses. Not a mass get out of jail free card but certainly light at the end of a dark tunnel | |||
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"I think all social media and forums should be checked and all the covid deniers should be at the back of the queue for the vaccine. With Trump and the Brazillian president right at the very back. " Well they won't be getting it anyway because aluminium and toxins and Bill Gates and something something. Right?  | |||
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"Apparently can manufacture 50m units by the end of the year - this isn’t going to be a quick process. We (UK) are expecting 10m the year end. 50m doses and each person requires 2 doses. Not a mass get out of jail free card but certainly light at the end of a dark tunnel " It's a sign this might eventually come to an end. That'll do. | |||
"Apparently can manufacture 50m units by the end of the year - this isn’t going to be a quick process. We (UK) are expecting 10m the year end. 50m doses and each person requires 2 doses. Not a mass get out of jail free card but certainly light at the end of a dark tunnel " Govt have prioritised approx 15 million people over 50 for 2x doses in the first vaccination wave. I doubt us under 50s will get anything in less than a year due to the shortages of raw ingredients etc for mass vaccination production worldwide, hence Pfizer saying it'll take a year to produce 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021. | |||
"Apparently can manufacture 50m units by the end of the year - this isn’t going to be a quick process. We (UK) are expecting 10m the year end. 50m doses and each person requires 2 doses. Not a mass get out of jail free card but certainly light at the end of a dark tunnel Govt have prioritised approx 15 million people over 50 for 2x doses in the first vaccination wave. I doubt us under 50s will get anything in less than a year due to the shortages of raw ingredients etc for mass vaccination production worldwide, hence Pfizer saying it'll take a year to produce 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021." Indeed. As I said on another thread, there's a worldwide shortage of glass for vials and a shortage of other raw materials required as a carrier for the vaccine. There are many things to be factored in | |||
"I wonder if it keeps you hard for 8 hours as well. Well done Pfizer. First they help get you stiff, now they’re trying to prevent it. Here’s hoping to a more enjoyable, healthy and prosperous 2021!" | |||
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"I wonder if it keeps you hard for 8 hours as well. Well done Pfizer. First they help get you stiff, now they’re trying to prevent it. Here’s hoping to a more enjoyable, healthy and prosperous 2021!" Fingers crossed | |||
"Apparently can manufacture 50m units by the end of the year - this isn’t going to be a quick process. We (UK) are expecting 10m the year end. " It's not the only vaccine that's coming soon | |||
"Is that the one bill gates part owns "No | |||
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Could be - it seems you have to have an update two weeks after first installation... "Oh, very good. | |||
"How cold is that... ? Surely large refrigerated containers will go to testing sites and the injection could be given there... will take time... but a massive step Fantastic news
I'll need a bit of working out as I think commercial refrigeration units are generally geared up to work at around -20C.
"-80 C are common place in hospitals or anywhere where scientific research is carried out. They plug into normal mains electricity | |||
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"90% is superb
Overjoyed "Definitely. The US funding was for 50%+ Incredibly promising. | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness!" Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. | |||
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"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. " Well if you are in your 80s and take a vaccine which could save your life. Makes perfect sense to me | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. " OK, you can stay locked down then, while those of us who trust the scientific process get our lives back. | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. " partly it takes 15 years because of the amount of money and focus that goes into ... everything has been flung behind the covid vaccine | |||
"I wonder if it keeps you hard for 8 hours as well. Well done Pfizer. First they help get you stiff, now they’re trying to prevent it. Here’s hoping to a more enjoyable, healthy and prosperous 2021!" | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. Well if you are in your 80s and take a vaccine which could save your life. Makes perfect sense to me" I am in my 80s and would jump at the chance of taking the vaccine | |||
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"All the talk of 'returning to normal' is premature, given the massive bill run up, so far. Plus, going back to normal would mean we'd learned fuck all - almost humanity's default setting. That said, great news - and a certain politician won't be around to fuck it all up." Sure. But we can rebuild rather than being in a holding pattern. | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. " They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news " It is true that testing has been accelerated. But my understanding (not qualified, have been listening a bit obsessively to virologists and immunologists discuss it since March) is that most of the acceleration has been in administration and sourcing funding, not in cutting corners. I very much hope that the appropriate regulatory bodies are appropriately stringent with approval, as they would be with any other vaccine (although bearing in mind that vaccines have a much better safety profile than most other medications). I think a certain election result means that it's less likely to be politicised there - here, potentially another question. I very much hope not and will be watching closely. I trust the process in normal times, and at the moment I trust the process as I've heard it discussed, to date. And I strongly suspect that for me, the vaccine will be worth taking pretty much no matter what. | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. " I would trust the scientific process rather than unsubstantiated assumptions that fly about in the anti-vaccine movement. These vaccines will be tested rigorously. The process being used for developing them is state of the art and the speed is facilitated by the investment and global collaboration that is being drawn on to make these advances. Read the research papers, they are readily available. Think critically about what you read and beware conspiratorial fabrications. Research them too and look for evidence that disconfirms them. Ask yourself who would you rather trust, eminent scientists following the scientific method rigorously or rumourmongers and conspiracy theorists? | |||
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"A light at the end of the tunnel. We may start to get some form of normality back by spring time" I just hope they have a good solution for the logistical challenge of storing and transporting the vaccine that needs to be kept at -80C. When I hear how they are going to do that I’ll rejoice a little more | |||
"will be the oldest more vulnerable first and i guess hospital and similar staff" I think I've read that it'll be done in stages like that, yes. | |||
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"will be the oldest more vulnerable first and i guess hospital and similar staff" I agree, sounds sensible x | |||
"will be the oldest more vulnerable first and i guess hospital and similar staff I think I've read that it'll be done in stages like that, yes." It will probably follow the same rollout as the Flu vaccine | |||
"will be the oldest more vulnerable first and i guess hospital and similar staff" Care homes 1st I think Then over 80s etc | |||
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"Just on bbc they are hoping it will be here by Christmas " They are hoping that SOME vaccine will be available in the UK by the end of the year | |||
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"It’s on bbc now Van Tam has just said they hope to have some vaccines by Christmas but it will take time to roll out" | |||
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"oh well by the time im in line for it half the country would of had it so they should know if it works properley by then.was watching news earlier though and there were a lot of if this and if that. was only the makers who seemed prepared to say its a definate vaccine.also no one seemed to kniw how long protection will last" Do you think the studies with tens of thousands of people are not designed to show that it works...? Or do you think they made that bit up for funsies? | |||
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"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. " A statement based on absolutely ZERO scientific evidence or case history for modern vaccines. I think I'll ignore this one | |||
"Fingers crossed for Pfizer, as I have shares in them!" They are up 14% as we speak. The ones you wanted today was Cineworld....up over 53% today! | |||
"oh well by the time im in line for it half the country would of had it so they should know if it works properley by then.was watching news earlier though and there were a lot of if this and if that. was only the makers who seemed prepared to say its a definate vaccine.also no one seemed to kniw how long protection will last" I have just watched the Prime Minister's briefing as well. You are right about the length of protection against the virus, they didn't discuss this at all, only that it would need 2 shots to give protection. The 2nd shot 1 month after the 1st, and then they said it would be approximately 14 days after the 2nd shot that the body would have produced enough antibodies and resistance to the disease to feel confident that you would be protected against covid! | |||
"Fingers crossed for Pfizer, as I have shares in them! They are up 14% as we speak. The ones you wanted today was Cineworld....up over 53% today!" Why have they shot up? They all closed down my way. I’ve been gambling in Oil&Gas companies since corona hit and have been making a decent weekly return since then. Decided to sell them all and put it in Pfizer. Fingers and toes crossed! | |||
"oh well by the time im in line for it half the country would of had it so they should know if it works properley by then.was watching news earlier though and there were a lot of if this and if that. was only the makers who seemed prepared to say its a definate vaccine.also no one seemed to kniw how long protection will last I have just watched the Prime Minister's briefing as well. You are right about the length of protection against the virus, they didn't discuss this at all, only that it would need 2 shots to give protection. The 2nd shot 1 month after the 1st, and then they said it would be approximately 14 days after the 2nd shot that the body would have produced enough antibodies and resistance to the disease to feel confident that you would be protected against covid!" It's an issue I've been hearing about, and you're right, we don't know yet. I think the hope is on the reliance of the virus on the spike protein, and its general level of low antigenic drift. Plus immunity may be protective from serious disease rather than preventing disease, like some flu shots are, I've heard. But 90% is better than hoped for. | |||
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"Just read it doesn't work they thought it did turns out it doesn't. " But like the people I'm working with at the moment | |||
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"Just read it doesn't work they thought it did turns out it doesn't. " You need to find something better to read then. | |||
"Is that the one bill gates part owns "Don't worry, Trump will be along shortly to proclaim he setup Pfizer, and carried out the virus research & development personally. | |||
"oh well by the time im in line for it half the country would of had it so they should know if it works properley by then.was watching news earlier though and there were a lot of if this and if that. was only the makers who seemed prepared to say its a definate vaccine.also no one seemed to kniw how long protection will last Do you think the studies with tens of thousands of people are not designed to show that it works...? Or do you think they made that bit up for funsies?" no i dont think the made it up but giving it to 40 odd thousand is a bit different to giving it to millions.also no one seems to be saying how long protection lasts.apart from the people who are making it every expert they had on the news earlier started everything with IF so yea by the time they get round to people like me it will be known if it works with milions and for how long.is that ok if i share my thoughts on it? | |||
"oh well by the time im in line for it half the country would of had it so they should know if it works properley by then.was watching news earlier though and there were a lot of if this and if that. was only the makers who seemed prepared to say its a definate vaccine.also no one seemed to kniw how long protection will last Do you think the studies with tens of thousands of people are not designed to show that it works...? Or do you think they made that bit up for funsies? no i dont think the made it up but giving it to 40 odd thousand is a bit different to giving it to millions.also no one seems to be saying how long protection lasts.apart from the people who are making it every expert they had on the news earlier started everything with IF so yea by the time they get round to people like me it will be known if it works with milions and for how long.is that ok if i share my thoughts on it?" I didn't say you couldn't share your views. I'm just not sure you understand that they've done trials to establish safety and efficacy as best they can. Nor the way scientists couch their findings Yes, there'll be continued surveillance in the community. | |||
"Is that the one bill gates part owns
Don't worry, Trump will be along shortly to proclaim he setup Pfizer, and carried out the virus research & development personally."Did he not?! Spoilers  | |||
"Is that the one bill gates part owns
Don't worry, Trump will be along shortly to proclaim he setup Pfizer, and carried out the virus research & development personally."Guess what...... 'Ivanka Trump has misleadingly praised Operation Warp Speed—the Trump administration’s attempt to deliver a vaccine as fast as possible—for its “partnership” with Pfizer and “tireless work” in supporting the development and distribution of the company’s Covid-19 vaccine, despite Pfizer having received no support whatsoever from the government beyond an agreement to buy an initial 100 million doses.' | |||
"Is that the one bill gates part owns
Don't worry, Trump will be along shortly to proclaim he setup Pfizer, and carried out the virus research & development personally.
Guess what......
'Ivanka Trump has misleadingly praised Operation Warp Speed—the Trump administration’s attempt to deliver a vaccine as fast as possible—for its “partnership” with Pfizer and “tireless work” in supporting the development and distribution of the company’s Covid-19 vaccine, despite Pfizer having received no support whatsoever from the government beyond an agreement to buy an initial 100 million doses.'
"Oops my mistake (here or another thread), I thought Pfizer was part of Operation Warp speed | |||
"Is that the one bill gates part owns
Don't worry, Trump will be along shortly to proclaim he setup Pfizer, and carried out the virus research & development personally.
Guess what......
'Ivanka Trump has misleadingly praised Operation Warp Speed—the Trump administration’s attempt to deliver a vaccine as fast as possible—for its “partnership” with Pfizer and “tireless work” in supporting the development and distribution of the company’s Covid-19 vaccine, despite Pfizer having received no support whatsoever from the government beyond an agreement to buy an initial 100 million doses.'
"Yeah. Mike Penis (autocorrect changed that but it's validity amused me ) claimed the same thing earlier. | |||
"Could be a game changer "Look how things perked up after Viagra reared its little blue head. This company can do it! Buy the share now. | |||
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"Gonna cost 50 quid a shot. Help get back some furlough money for government. " Do you think it'll be a private shot? | |||
"Gonna cost 50 quid a shot. Help get back some furlough money for government. " £50 to the Govt I assume you mean? NHS isn't going to be getting out the chip and pin card for your Grandpa. It might be available to buy in Boots at w much later date...... | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness!" | |||
"Gonna cost 50 quid a shot. Help get back some furlough money for government. " And how did you come up with that gem? | |||
"Gonna cost 50 quid a shot. Help get back some furlough money for government. " And where did you hear this? | |||
"Is that the one bill gates part owns
Don't worry, Trump will be along shortly to proclaim he setup Pfizer, and carried out the virus research & development personally.
Guess what......
'Ivanka Trump has misleadingly praised Operation Warp Speed—the Trump administration’s attempt to deliver a vaccine as fast as possible—for its “partnership” with Pfizer and “tireless work” in supporting the development and distribution of the company’s Covid-19 vaccine, despite Pfizer having received no support whatsoever from the government beyond an agreement to buy an initial 100 million doses.'
Yeah.
Mike Penis (autocorrect changed that but it's validity amused me ) claimed the same thing earlier."Fist bump to autocarrot! | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news " Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. " No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. " Same as Gates and his vaccines in India? | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. Same as Gates and his vaccines in India?" *facepalm* Yes, you're right, you caught me, I'm totes a pharma Microsoft shill and vaccines are poison and it's all a conspiracy for mind control. | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. Same as Gates and his vaccines in India?" scientific link or its just pure shite | |||
"Gonna cost 50 quid a shot. Help get back some furlough money for government. And where did you hear this?" karens wee sister sharon on facetube | |||
" Same as Gates and his vaccines in India?" Oh you mean that made up story that's been disproven about 100 times? | |||
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"Still good news though " | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. Same as Gates and his vaccines in India?" what a load of crap. | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. Same as Gates and his vaccines in India? scientific link or its just pure shite" the only problem with this point of view is it also works for the vaccine ... show us scientific evidence it wont have harmed people 5 years down the line or its crap ... see realistically i will probably take my chances and take it to get back to normal but i wont down play other peoples legitimate concerns | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. Same as Gates and his vaccines in India? scientific link or its just pure shite the only problem with this point of view is it also works for the vaccine ... show us scientific evidence it wont have harmed people 5 years down the line or its crap ... see realistically i will probably take my chances and take it to get back to normal but i wont down play other peoples legitimate concerns " You can't prove the future. Anything is a calculated risk. Proving the impossible is not the same as proving serious allegations about a philanthropist who's been tied up in conspiracy theories since forever. I can't prove anything, I'm not a scientist, but I know enough about the scientific method to be able to trust the process, even with caveats in this emergency situation. | |||
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"The Bill Gates stuff actually baffles me" Don't go down the antivax rabbit hole. The Bill Gates stuff is tame | |||
"The Bill Gates stuff actually baffles me" I know right ,my opinion is like so what if he makes a fuck load of money out of it? If lives are being saved and people not getting seriously ill what's the problem. I think there's some people who really need to remove their foil hats. Next they will be telling us that we are all really inside the matrix and this virus is actually a computer virus!!! | |||
"The Bill Gates stuff actually baffles me" Now that is something we can agree on what baffles me is the mentality of the people who believe it when him and his wife have donated over 36 billion dollars to a broad range of health ,social and educational developments. | |||
"The Bill Gates stuff actually baffles me I know right ,my opinion is like so what if he makes a fuck load of money out of it? If lives are being saved and people not getting seriously ill what's the problem. I think there's some people who really need to remove their foil hats. Next they will be telling us that we are all really inside the matrix and this virus is actually a computer virus!!!" One of the things is apparently he's a eugenicist. He said he wanted to bring down the birth rate in Africa. ... By bringing down the childhood mortality rate  | |||
"Very encouraging news but a logistical headache. With storage and transportation at -80C" I would guess it would me moved in liquid nitrogen and then warmed to body temp as needed. But if it looks so good why order 10 million I throught there was 68 million so take out the under 16 and mmmnnm a new lottery | |||
"Very encouraging news but a logistical headache. With storage and transportation at -80C I would guess it would me moved in liquid nitrogen and then warmed to body temp as needed. But if it looks so good why order 10 million I throught there was 68 million so take out the under 16 and mmmnnm a new lottery " It's for the over 50s x2 doses. Not for us younglings | |||
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"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. Same as Gates and his vaccines in India? scientific link or its just pure shite the only problem with this point of view is it also works for the vaccine ... show us scientific evidence it wont have harmed people 5 years down the line or its crap ... see realistically i will probably take my chances and take it to get back to normal but i wont down play other peoples legitimate concerns You can't prove the future. Anything is a calculated risk. Proving the impossible is not the same as proving serious allegations about a philanthropist who's been tied up in conspiracy theories since forever. I can't prove anything, I'm not a scientist, but I know enough about the scientific method to be able to trust the process, even with caveats in this emergency situation." i didnt mean the bill gates stuff btw just the risk of what injecting yourself with this can do over time when enough time hasnt passed for that test | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. Same as Gates and his vaccines in India? scientific link or its just pure shite" This is confirmed by the results of a study published in the journal "Correlation between Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis Rates with Pulse Polio Frequency in India". Analyzes of data provided by the Indian government and the National Polio Surveillance Program (NPSP) have shown a strong association between incurable flaccid paralysis and oral polio vaccine (OPV). | |||
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"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. Same as Gates and his vaccines in India? scientific link or its just pure shite This is confirmed by the results of a study published in the journal "Correlation between Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis Rates with Pulse Polio Frequency in India". Analyzes of data provided by the Indian government and the National Polio Surveillance Program (NPSP) have shown a strong association between incurable flaccid paralysis and oral polio vaccine (OPV). " well the old one i had and every school kid had seemed to work and eradicated polio in the uk . | |||
"I ve just read a piece on it which was part of the Boris speech analysis. Its suggested that it appears partly ineffective on the elderly and this next bit confused me. It fights the disease but does not stop the spread of the virus." That's not what was actually said. What was said was that they didn't know yet if the vaccine just provided individual immunity or if it stopped the spread of it as well. Whatever you were reading wasn't as factually correct as it could have been... | |||
" This is confirmed by the results of a study published in the journal "Correlation between Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis Rates with Pulse Polio Frequency in India". Analyzes of data provided by the Indian government and the National Polio Surveillance Program (NPSP) have shown a strong association between incurable flaccid paralysis and oral polio vaccine (OPV). " ...and has nothing to do with Bill Gates... | |||
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"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. They have tested 44,000 people in 6 countries, no vaccine is 100 % safe but this is amazing news Yes, but we don't know what the side effects may be after five years for example. No, but it's not like they pulled all this stuff out of thin air, like a kid with a science kit. Same as Gates and his vaccines in India? scientific link or its just pure shite This is confirmed by the results of a study published in the journal "Correlation between Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis Rates with Pulse Polio Frequency in India". Analyzes of data provided by the Indian government and the National Polio Surveillance Program (NPSP) have shown a strong association between incurable flaccid paralysis and oral polio vaccine (OPV). " The words strong and association don't bode well as evidence | |||
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Don't worry, Trump will be along shortly to proclaim he setup Pfizer, and carried out the virus research & development personally."Is that why he lost the election? Too busy in the basement labelling the domestos bottles. | |||
" Is that why he lost the election? Too busy in the basement labelling the domestos bottles." Yep - they'll be the ones labelled 'dOmsTos' in crayon... | |||
"How cold is that... ? Surely large refrigerated containers will go to testing sites and the injection could be given there... will take time... but a massive step Fantastic news
I'll need a bit of working out as I think commercial refrigeration units are generally geared up to work at around -20C.
-80 C are common place in hospitals or anywhere where scientific research is carried out. They plug into normal mains electricity "And transportation in dry ice. No big problem there | |||
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"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. " Sadly it could be years later that they discover there is a problem with people who caught the virus and seemed to have recovered okay... | |||
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"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well. "There's no evidence that the virus was produced in a lab. That's a conspiracy theory. And... Did you expect Love Honey to develop a vaccine? Developing pharmaceuticals is... kinda what pharma companies do... | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well.
There's no evidence that the virus was produced in a lab. That's a conspiracy theory.
And... Did you expect Love Honey to develop a vaccine? Developing pharmaceuticals is... kinda what pharma companies do..."I never said it wasn’t a conspiracy theory, hence the tin foil hat comment. But you very definitely say there is no evidence it was produced in a lab. Care to explain why? And yes, I know they do. But there are independent researchers all over the world at any one time working on other drugs/ research nothing to do with big pharma companies. Universities for instance. Etc etc. All pharmaceutical companies do is push drugs that do not cure anything they just basically put a chemical bandage on a problem, knowing full well it’s not a cure. But there is no money to made in a cure. | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well. "Yeah it's really strange that a pharma company comes up with a vaccine when all those other researchers employed by B&Q and Ikea and Birdseye Frozen Foods and Dulux paint fail to find one... | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well.
There's no evidence that the virus was produced in a lab. That's a conspiracy theory.
And... Did you expect Love Honey to develop a vaccine? Developing pharmaceuticals is... kinda what pharma companies do...
I never said it wasn’t a conspiracy theory, hence the tin foil hat comment. But you very definitely say there is no evidence it was produced in a lab. Care to explain why?
And yes, I know they do. But there are independent researchers all over the world at any one time working on other drugs/ research nothing to do with big pharma companies. Universities for instance. Etc etc.
All pharmaceutical companies do is push drugs that do not cure anything they just basically put a chemical bandage on a problem, knowing full well it’s not a cure. But there is no money to made in a cure."Studies have been done on bats in the area which show similarity to other bat viruses, and (can I quote this in a citable way? Sadly not) the virologists I listen to (This Week in Virology) say that the markers of human genetic engineering would be obvious and not look like that. Trump made it up to make China look bad, China turned the accusation right around. Politics. Universities often work with pharma companies for this sort of thing, see Oxford and AstroZenica. ... And we're back to conspiracy theories. Yup. Pharma just makes us sick. Right. (have been alive since 1999 due to medication ) | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well. "Is that a spoiler for the next Austin Powers movie? | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well.
There's no evidence that the virus was produced in a lab. That's a conspiracy theory.
And... Did you expect Love Honey to develop a vaccine? Developing pharmaceuticals is... kinda what pharma companies do...
I never said it wasn’t a conspiracy theory, hence the tin foil hat comment. But you very definitely say there is no evidence it was produced in a lab. Care to explain why?
And yes, I know they do. But there are independent researchers all over the world at any one time working on other drugs/ research nothing to do with big pharma companies. Universities for instance. Etc etc.
All pharmaceutical companies do is push drugs that do not cure anything they just basically put a chemical bandage on a problem, knowing full well it’s not a cure. But there is no money to made in a cure.
Studies have been done on bats in the area which show similarity to other bat viruses, and (can I quote this in a citable way? Sadly not) the virologists I listen to (This Week in Virology) say that the markers of human genetic engineering would be obvious and not look like that. Trump made it up to make China look bad, China turned the accusation right around. Politics.
Universities often work with pharma companies for this sort of thing, see Oxford and AstroZenica.
... And we're back to conspiracy theories. Yup. Pharma just makes us sick. Right. (have been alive since 1999 due to medication )"When you get off your high horse, research about anthrax. It has been knowingly used as a weapon, does exist in nature and is easily produced in a lab. Basically all the things that Covid 19 is. As for medications, yes they prolong life. But the method of diagnosis is now all down to the pharmaceutical companies policies and guidelines. Long gone are the days when a doctor stops you in the street and says you are not well and can tell you exactly what’s up with you. You have to tell them and all they do, is prescribe one of the recommendations provided by the drug companies. | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well.
There's no evidence that the virus was produced in a lab. That's a conspiracy theory.
And... Did you expect Love Honey to develop a vaccine? Developing pharmaceuticals is... kinda what pharma companies do...
I never said it wasn’t a conspiracy theory, hence the tin foil hat comment. But you very definitely say there is no evidence it was produced in a lab. Care to explain why?
And yes, I know they do. But there are independent researchers all over the world at any one time working on other drugs/ research nothing to do with big pharma companies. Universities for instance. Etc etc.
All pharmaceutical companies do is push drugs that do not cure anything they just basically put a chemical bandage on a problem, knowing full well it’s not a cure. But there is no money to made in a cure.
Studies have been done on bats in the area which show similarity to other bat viruses, and (can I quote this in a citable way? Sadly not) the virologists I listen to (This Week in Virology) say that the markers of human genetic engineering would be obvious and not look like that. Trump made it up to make China look bad, China turned the accusation right around. Politics.
Universities often work with pharma companies for this sort of thing, see Oxford and AstroZenica.
... And we're back to conspiracy theories. Yup. Pharma just makes us sick. Right. (have been alive since 1999 due to medication )
When you get off your high horse, research about anthrax. It has been knowingly used as a weapon, does exist in nature and is easily produced in a lab. Basically all the things that Covid 19 is.
As for medications, yes they prolong life. But the method of diagnosis is now all down to the pharmaceutical companies policies and guidelines. Long gone are the days when a doctor stops you in the street and says you are not well and can tell you exactly what’s up with you. You have to tell them and all they do, is prescribe one of the recommendations provided by the drug companies. "Except one is a virus and the other isn’t.. | |||
" You have to tell them and all they do, is prescribe one of the recommendations provided by the drug companies. "So why do they spend years training to be doctors if that's all they have to do? | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well.
There's no evidence that the virus was produced in a lab. That's a conspiracy theory.
And... Did you expect Love Honey to develop a vaccine? Developing pharmaceuticals is... kinda what pharma companies do...
I never said it wasn’t a conspiracy theory, hence the tin foil hat comment. But you very definitely say there is no evidence it was produced in a lab. Care to explain why?
And yes, I know they do. But there are independent researchers all over the world at any one time working on other drugs/ research nothing to do with big pharma companies. Universities for instance. Etc etc.
All pharmaceutical companies do is push drugs that do not cure anything they just basically put a chemical bandage on a problem, knowing full well it’s not a cure. But there is no money to made in a cure.
Studies have been done on bats in the area which show similarity to other bat viruses, and (can I quote this in a citable way? Sadly not) the virologists I listen to (This Week in Virology) say that the markers of human genetic engineering would be obvious and not look like that. Trump made it up to make China look bad, China turned the accusation right around. Politics.
Universities often work with pharma companies for this sort of thing, see Oxford and AstroZenica.
... And we're back to conspiracy theories. Yup. Pharma just makes us sick. Right. (have been alive since 1999 due to medication )
When you get off your high horse, research about anthrax. It has been knowingly used as a weapon, does exist in nature and is easily produced in a lab. Basically all the things that Covid 19 is.
As for medications, yes they prolong life. But the method of diagnosis is now all down to the pharmaceutical companies policies and guidelines. Long gone are the days when a doctor stops you in the street and says you are not well and can tell you exactly what’s up with you. You have to tell them and all they do, is prescribe one of the recommendations provided by the drug companies.
Except one is a virus and the other isn’t.."When did doctors stop people in the street?. | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well.
There's no evidence that the virus was produced in a lab. That's a conspiracy theory.
And... Did you expect Love Honey to develop a vaccine? Developing pharmaceuticals is... kinda what pharma companies do...
I never said it wasn’t a conspiracy theory, hence the tin foil hat comment. But you very definitely say there is no evidence it was produced in a lab. Care to explain why?
And yes, I know they do. But there are independent researchers all over the world at any one time working on other drugs/ research nothing to do with big pharma companies. Universities for instance. Etc etc.
All pharmaceutical companies do is push drugs that do not cure anything they just basically put a chemical bandage on a problem, knowing full well it’s not a cure. But there is no money to made in a cure.
Studies have been done on bats in the area which show similarity to other bat viruses, and (can I quote this in a citable way? Sadly not) the virologists I listen to (This Week in Virology) say that the markers of human genetic engineering would be obvious and not look like that. Trump made it up to make China look bad, China turned the accusation right around. Politics.
Universities often work with pharma companies for this sort of thing, see Oxford and AstroZenica.
... And we're back to conspiracy theories. Yup. Pharma just makes us sick. Right. (have been alive since 1999 due to medication )
When you get off your high horse, research about anthrax. It has been knowingly used as a weapon, does exist in nature and is easily produced in a lab. Basically all the things that Covid 19 is.
As for medications, yes they prolong life. But the method of diagnosis is now all down to the pharmaceutical companies policies and guidelines. Long gone are the days when a doctor stops you in the street and says you are not well and can tell you exactly what’s up with you. You have to tell them and all they do, is prescribe one of the recommendations provided by the drug companies. "There never was this mystical past where doctors stopped you in the street and gave you an instant diagnosis! There was diptheria and polio, 1 in 5 children never making it to adulthood, breaking your leg being a death sentence, people coughing up chunks of lung with tuberculosis. Getting a "tincture" for cancer treatment, which was probably just a mixture of vinegar and liquorice, maybe with a pinch of arsenic for good measure. I'm not harking back to the middle ages, or victorian London. This was the reality of my fathers childhood. I was only born because my dad was an early trial patient for streptomycin when he was dying of TB. Without that he would have died before i was conceived. So yes, it's bloody brilliant that a doctor now can look at a database of 100,000 drugs provided by pharmaceutical companies, cross check your symptoms, eliminate treatments that conflict with other pills you might be taking, test your chromosomes for inherited conditions and predilection to cancers... | |||
" So yes, it's bloody brilliant that a doctor now can look at a database of 100,000 drugs provided by pharmaceutical companies, cross check your symptoms, eliminate treatments that conflict with other pills you might be taking, test your chromosomes for inherited conditions and predilection to cancers..." And, of course, they are all scrutinised by NICE to ensure pharmaceutical companies behave. | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well.
Yeah it's really strange that a pharma company comes up with a vaccine when all those other researchers employed by B&Q and Ikea and Birdseye Frozen Foods and Dulux paint fail to find one..."We need to get Carlsburg on the case... If they did a vaccine! Oooh or M&S | |||
"That's one prick I'm looking forward to!!" | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. " This is a mrna vaccine, which is designed to be quickly built, once they have the genetic instructions ready then its very quick to engineer. Have a read of the pfizer blog and they explain how it works in your body its nothing like a normal vaccine which contains a live or killed virus which can take up to 15 years to complete as they are growing and manipulating genetic parts of viruses, this will give us a break until a different vaccine can be found. And yes I would take it. | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. This is a mrna vaccine, which is designed to be quickly built, once they have the genetic instructions ready then its very quick to engineer. Have a read of the pfizer blog and they explain how it works in your body its nothing like a normal vaccine which contains a live or killed virus which can take up to 15 years to complete as they are growing and manipulating genetic parts of viruses, this will give us a break until a different vaccine can be found. And yes I would take it." Safe as houses then.
Clever folk these genetic engineers | |||
"Great news from the preliminary results. Hopefully it can continue its effectiveness! Sadly it could be years later they realise there is a problem with the vaccine. I read that it takes 15 years to produce a vaccine. Most of them 15 years are taken up by safety trials. Anyone who takes a vaccine produced in a few months wants their head examined. This is a mrna vaccine, which is designed to be quickly built, once they have the genetic instructions ready then its very quick to engineer. Have a read of the pfizer blog and they explain how it works in your body its nothing like a normal vaccine which contains a live or killed virus which can take up to 15 years to complete as they are growing and manipulating genetic parts of viruses, this will give us a break until a different vaccine can be found. And yes I would take it. Safe as houses then.
Clever folk these genetic engineers "If you take the time to read about it they list the possible complications. Each person should deem for themselves whether they would want to take it. | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well.
Yeah it's really strange that a pharma company comes up with a vaccine when all those other researchers employed by B&Q and Ikea and Birdseye Frozen Foods and Dulux paint fail to find one...
We need to get Carlsburg on the case... If they did a vaccine! Oooh or M&S"Nah! Cillit Bang and the virus is gone! | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well.
Yeah it's really strange that a pharma company comes up with a vaccine when all those other researchers employed by B&Q and Ikea and Birdseye Frozen Foods and Dulux paint fail to find one...
We need to get Carlsburg on the case... If they did a vaccine! Oooh or M&S
Nah! Cillit Bang and the virus is gone!"So much better with the Australian name for the product. It's like a government slogan. Easy Off Bam! | |||
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"Trump gone and a vaccine found. Quite a positive few days." And more vaccine candidates in the pipeline. Life's looking better. | |||
"Very encouraging news but a logistical headache. With storage and transportation at -80C" Liquid nitrogen should be cold enough or to cold? | |||
"Trump gone and a vaccine found. Quite a positive few days." Funny that???? | |||
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"Trump gone and a vaccine found. Quite a positive few days. Funny that????" It certainly was  | |||
"We see Pfizer are saying to the uk regulators if they are slow in approving the new vaccine then the uk 10 million pre booked doses will go to other countries. Strong arm tactic from pfizer, approve all lose. " Or go that extra step to ensure it's safe to protect UK people | |||
"I know it may seem like a tinfoil hat moment, but does no one see this as a bit strange? The whole world gripped by a pandemic, multiple researchers in all corners of the world and a pharmaceutical company is the first to come up with it? And I’m just saying before people have a go at me, it wouldn’t surprise me if the virus was manufactured in a lab as well as the cure at the same time. It’s just a license to print money. All you have to do is have shares in a ppe company before release, then when you have “found a vaccine” charge through the roof for that as well.
There's no evidence that the virus was produced in a lab. That's a conspiracy theory.
And... Did you expect Love Honey to develop a vaccine? Developing pharmaceuticals is... kinda what pharma companies do...
I never said it wasn’t a conspiracy theory, hence the tin foil hat comment. But you very definitely say there is no evidence it was produced in a lab. Care to explain why?
And yes, I know they do. But there are independent researchers all over the world at any one time working on other drugs/ research nothing to do with big pharma companies. Universities for instance. Etc etc.
All pharmaceutical companies do is push drugs that do not cure anything they just basically put a chemical bandage on a problem, knowing full well it’s not a cure. But there is no money to made in a cure.
Studies have been done on bats in the area which show similarity to other bat viruses, and (can I quote this in a citable way? Sadly not) the virologists I listen to (This Week in Virology) say that the markers of human genetic engineering would be obvious and not look like that. Trump made it up to make China look bad, China turned the accusation right around. Politics.
Universities often work with pharma companies for this sort of thing, see Oxford and AstroZenica.
... And we're back to conspiracy theories. Yup. Pharma just makes us sick. Right. (have been alive since 1999 due to medication )
When you get off your high horse, research about anthrax. It has been knowingly used as a weapon, does exist in nature and is easily produced in a lab. Basically all the things that Covid 19 is.
As for medications, yes they prolong life. But the method of diagnosis is now all down to the pharmaceutical companies policies and guidelines. Long gone are the days when a doctor stops you in the street and says you are not well and can tell you exactly what’s up with you. You have to tell them and all they do, is prescribe one of the recommendations provided by the drug companies.
Except one is a virus and the other isn’t..
When did doctors stop people in the street?. "Harold Shipman ! | |||
"Trump gone and a vaccine found. Quite a positive few days." Yep. Let's just hope it doesn't come back. And Covid...  | |||
"How cold is that... ? Surely large refrigerated containers will go to testing sites and the injection could be given there... will take time... but a massive step Fantastic news
I'll need a bit of working out as I think commercial refrigeration units are generally geared up to work at around -20C.
-80 C are common place in hospitals or anywhere where scientific research is carried out. They plug into normal mains electricity
And transportation in dry ice.
No big problem there"Do you know how cold dry ice is solid CO2 | |||
"How cold is that... ? Surely large refrigerated containers will go to testing sites and the injection could be given there... will take time... but a massive step Fantastic news
I'll need a bit of working out as I think commercial refrigeration units are generally geared up to work at around -20C.
-80 C are common place in hospitals or anywhere where scientific research is carried out. They plug into normal mains electricity
And transportation in dry ice.
No big problem there
Do you know how cold dry ice is solid CO2 "-78.5°C is sublimation temperature. | |||
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"Despite being a German / US tie up I believe the vaccine will be made in the US. As much as I believe in vaccines and immunisation I'll pass on anything made in America, I don't even drink their beer it is that bad, and yes I have spent many periods out their working. " you believe wrong. | |||
"Despite being a German / US tie up I believe the vaccine will be made in the US. As much as I believe in vaccines and immunisation I'll pass on anything made in America, I don't even drink their beer it is that bad, and yes I have spent many periods out their working. you believe wrong." Being made in Belgium i believe. Well the initial batch for the UK is. | |||
