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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I have to say, looking at traffic on the roads, people in the streets... come December 2nd My money is on the figures in the U.K. either still being atrocious or perhaps even worst.
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Doesn't seem to be much quieter locally but with some of the social settings being closed it may have an impact, as to whether that's enough we won't know for at least a couple of weeks..
It should have been done when Sage advised it but it's where we are now.. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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I agree. I work in a shop that's been able to stay open, although I don't deem it to be essential. We were very busy today, people wandering about like there's nothing going on 
I think they'll close schools early for Christmas. |
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"I have to say, looking at traffic on the roads, people in the streets... come December 2nd My money is on the figures in the U.K. either still being atrocious or perhaps even worst.
Peoples views? "
Which figures? |
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Not been out other than to pick up/drop off at nursery and to Sainsbury's today. The roads have been similar to "pre lockdown" upon pick up at 17:30-17:45 and Sainsbury's seemed similar to last week too. No idea if that means anything. |
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That is why they have extended funding till March. It is depressing but they already know that dickheads can not behave themselves. They know that idiots will break the rules at Christmas - so they will expect a spike in January and February. It is honestly pathetic. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It will have a small effect but not enough. I think it will be lockdown, release is for Xmas as they know too many people will ignore it anyway, then another lockdown in January or February to try to deal with the new spike from December. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can't see much changing while schools remain open.
I understand why they feel like they can't close schools again and disrupt kids education further... but it feels like we really have to go all or nothing. It doesn't really make sense to me that my nephew can go to school and mix with dozens of other kids, but I can't go to the pub for a drink with someone in my support bubble.
But I don't know, I guess we'll see. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I have to say, looking at traffic on the roads, people in the streets... come December 2nd My money is on the figures in the U.K. either still being atrocious or perhaps even worst.
Peoples views?
Which figures? "
The important one... admissions |
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"I have to say, looking at traffic on the roads, people in the streets... come December 2nd My money is on the figures in the U.K. either still being atrocious or perhaps even worst.
Peoples views?
Which figures?
The important one... admissions "
As long as discharges keeps up with those we’ll be fine |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can't see much changing while schools remain open.
I understand why they feel like they can't close schools again and disrupt kids education further... but it feels like we really have to go all or nothing. It doesn't really make sense to me that my nephew can go to school and mix with dozens of other kids, but I can't go to the pub for a drink with someone in my support bubble.
But I don't know, I guess we'll see. "
Ask yourself is it right for schools and universities to be closed just so that I can go to the pub or restaurant for a few meals each month ?
If you ask yourself that question I think on balance the answer is schools especially and maybe universities should stay open no matter what I may think.
Like you I am not sure about the answer but hope the experts telling the government have got their shit together and giving them the right advice. |
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By *extasy19Couple
over a year ago
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Market Harborough and Kettering were dead yesterday. I had to pick my son up from work last night at 8 pm and the roads were deserted. From what I could make out the whole population of Northampton decamped to Pitsford Resi today
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Completely pointless with schools & universities still open. Should have done a 2 week lockdown over half term.
This seems obvious to us but why can't the government see it and act?"
Because there is alot of politics involved in decisions - Labour called for the 2 week lockdown over half term but the government cannot have the opposition calling the shots no matter how correct it would have been so they wait another 3 weeks  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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as long as schools stay open it isnt lockdown, it will make no difference to the vitus, just hurt more ill or self emoloued people,and any others who cant get finantial help. if we have to go through it, then lets not dick about with half measures |
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By *7EVE123Man
over a year ago
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As of september it was only 24th in the list of bad things/death rate in the uk.. ONS stats...and looking at the accurate real figures hardly anything at all as most deaths male up the usual 700k per year anyway..was actually lower most of this year than previous.. makes you wonder what its covering up.. 23 other worse things but those dont matter..
#conspiracy
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have to say, looking at traffic on the roads, people in the streets... come December 2nd My money is on the figures in the U.K. either still being atrocious or perhaps even worst.
Peoples views? "
It'll be whatever it'll be. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I have to say, looking at traffic on the roads, people in the streets... come December 2nd My money is on the figures in the U.K. either still being atrocious or perhaps even worst.
Peoples views?
Which figures?
The important one... admissions
As long as discharges keeps up with those we’ll be fine "
Which they aren’t... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"As of september it was only 24th in the list of bad things/death rate in the uk.. ONS stats...and looking at the accurate real figures hardly anything at all as most deaths male up the usual 700k per year anyway..was actually lower most of this year than previous.. makes you wonder what its covering up.. 23 other worse things but those dont matter..
#conspiracy
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"As of september it was only 24th in the list of bad things/death rate in the uk.. ONS stats...and looking at the accurate real figures hardly anything at all as most deaths male up the usual 700k per year anyway..was actually lower most of this year than previous.. makes you wonder what its covering up.. 23 other worse things but those dont matter..
#conspiracy
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What 23 other things are killing 100s of people are day? |
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We're on a main road, and though there's been a reduction in traffic, there's still plenty going past...
....only last night, I was wondering why cars were still passing by long after midnight - nothing was open, no-one's supposed to be visiting anyone...
....and again this morning - traffic going past hours before the supermarkets even opened - who and why? |
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"We're on a main road, and though there's been a reduction in traffic, there's still plenty going past...
....only last night, I was wondering why cars were still passing by long after midnight - nothing was open, no-one's supposed to be visiting anyone...
....and again this morning - traffic going past hours before the supermarkets even opened - who and why?"
People going to work? Hospitals? Other emergency workers, cleaners etc? |
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I think the effect on locking people in ( mental health ) , locking people away from critical treatments is having greater negative effects than it is positive .
We are destined for poverty with financial impact of this( poverty = lower life expectancy) .
I think money woukd be better focussed on protecting the elderly and vulnerable than paying people to stop working.
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"We're on a main road, and though there's been a reduction in traffic, there's still plenty going past...
....only last night, I was wondering why cars were still passing by long after midnight - nothing was open, no-one's supposed to be visiting anyone...
....and again this morning - traffic going past hours before the supermarkets even opened - who and why?"
As a guess..probally going to work. |
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I've seen no difference in the roads when driving to work. During the last lockdown it was a dream driving into work.
I don't expect it to stop Dec 2nd, i think Bo Jo is just trying to give the nhs a bit of breathing space & to get the ICU's a little emptier in readiness..
The sooner this is gone the better.... |
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"I think the effect on locking people in ( mental health ) , locking people away from critical treatments is having greater negative effects than it is positive .
We are destined for poverty with financial impact of this( poverty = lower life expectancy) .
I think money woukd be better focussed on protecting the elderly and vulnerable than paying people to stop working.
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Nobody is being locked in. It's not a lockdown. Not even close to it. It's a waste of time.
I don't subscribe to the big bad enemy being school kids or uni students. Uni especially. Let them spread it among themselves for 3 months and they will have a level of immunity.
We all need to be a lot less Complacent and stop blaming others. We can do this. |
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"I don't expect it to stop Dec 2nd, i think Bo Jo is just trying to give the nhs a bit of breathing space & to get the ICU's a little emptier in readiness.."
Me neither. Furloughs til end March.
The high street is fucked.
Debenhams, M&S, John Lewis. Anyone reliant upon Xmas sales like those RED gadget shops. |
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The roads hadn't seemed too different until tonight, when they were the quietest for months 
I think the lack of public spaces to congregate and infect will have a significant effect, once the habits of staying in fully kick in. Even getting 3 good weeks should stall numbers well. The lag in hospital admissions and deaths means that it will be difficult to have quantifiable results as quickly as we'd like to have. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well as it’s claimed the rate of infection was already slowing before the lockdown then I’d hope it would continue to do so. If it doesn’t then it will provide ammunition to those who question its effectiveness. |
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"well acording to the goverment most infections happen at home, they should be doing the oposite and making us all go out"
It's households infecting other households then it spreads between family members. If we reduce inter-household mixing then we reduce that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"well acording to the goverment most infections happen at home, they should be doing the oposite and making us all go out
It's households infecting other households then it spreads between family members. If we reduce inter-household mixing then we reduce that. "
that was kind of my point |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Completely pointless with schools & universities still open. Should have done a 2 week lockdown over half term."
I was going to ask, do the English people think Boris made another fuck up by missing the opportunity to coincide a short lockdown with the half term closure of schools?? |
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It will make a difference. If it starts to bring down the numbers or only reduces the rate of increase is another matter. We should expect deaths on Dec 2nd to be higher than at the start of lockdown2 and probably 1000/day |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"well acording to the goverment most infections happen at home, they should be doing the oposite and making us all go out
It's households infecting other households then it spreads between family members. If we reduce inter-household mixing then we reduce that. "
How can they do that though? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Completely pointless with schools & universities still open. Should have done a 2 week lockdown over half term.
I was going to ask, do the English people think Boris made another fuck up by missing the opportunity to coincide a short lockdown with the half term closure of schools?? "
Yes |
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"As of september it was only 24th in the list of bad things/death rate in the uk.. ONS stats...and looking at the accurate real figures hardly anything at all as most deaths male up the usual 700k per year anyway..was actually lower most of this year than previous.. makes you wonder what its covering up.. 23 other worse things but those dont matter..
#conspiracy
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. Our education system has clearly failed so many.. those other causes are fairly consistent, on the other hand, exponential growth would rapidly take Covid deaths into the top 5 on that list if no intervention was made. Anyone who thinks there is some global conspiracy at play has very little understanding of global politics and really isn’t very bright. |
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"As of september it was only 24th in the list of bad things/death rate in the uk.. ONS stats...and looking at the accurate real figures hardly anything at all as most deaths male up the usual 700k per year anyway..was actually lower most of this year than previous.. makes you wonder what its covering up.. 23 other worse things but those dont matter..
#conspiracy
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Wakey wakey it's NOVEMBER !!!!!! |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"As of september it was only 24th in the list of bad things/death rate in the uk.. ONS stats...and looking at the accurate real figures hardly anything at all as most deaths male up the usual 700k per year anyway..was actually lower most of this year than previous.. makes you wonder what its covering up.. 23 other worse things but those dont matter..
#conspiracy
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Save me looking up the other causes, what are the 23 they list?
And a conspiracy to what end?
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"well acording to the goverment most infections happen at home, they should be doing the oposite and making us all go out
It's households infecting other households then it spreads between family members. If we reduce inter-household mixing then we reduce that.
How can they do that though? "
By making it illegal to visit other households (other than some exceptions), by stopping social activities indoors (pubs, cafés, restaurants, hospitality of all kinds), by telling employers to allow WFH wherever possible or to make workplaces Covid secure etc.
Those measures should, if followed, minimise the contact between different households. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"As of september it was only 24th in the list of bad things/death rate in the uk.. ONS stats...and looking at the accurate real figures hardly anything at all as most deaths male up the usual 700k per year anyway..was actually lower most of this year than previous.. makes you wonder what its covering up.. 23 other worse things but those dont matter..
#conspiracy
Wakey wakey it's NOVEMBER !!!!!!"
Wait, what, already? You'll be telling us it's Christmas soon.
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By *andT2020Couple
over a year ago
Gods Country |
"As of september it was only 24th in the list of bad things/death rate in the uk.. ONS stats...and looking at the accurate real figures hardly anything at all as most deaths male up the usual 700k per year anyway..was actually lower most of this year than previous.. makes you wonder what its covering up.. 23 other worse things but those dont matter..
#conspiracy
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absolutely bang on  |
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"I have to say, looking at traffic on the roads, people in the streets... come December 2nd My money is on the figures in the U.K. either still being atrocious or perhaps even worst.
Peoples views? "
I've not noticed any change in the volume of traffic |
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I'm remaining positive.
I'm A true believer that the combination of wearing face coverings and reducing social contact across many environments will play a pivotal role in controlling the virus.
Once the levels come down, the efficiency of the Track and Trace will improve, the NHS app will aid in alerting of possible contact with those who have tested positive and the rapid testing will allow for results to be obtained far quicker, meaning those who are positive isolate while those who are negative will not be significantly impacted.
I fully understand why some refuse to isolate when they are unsure if they have covid, for the vast majority of those tested now, the results are negative, so isolating while waiting for a result could mean a loss of income.
Rapid testing hopefully should stop this from happening, a change in the payment system for those isolating to be in line with the furlough scheme would help, particularly for those who are self employed or will lose pay.
Rapid testing in educational environments, which was recently announced, will pick up those who are positive at a far earlier stage, this too can only have a positive effect.
There does now seem to be light at the end of the tunnel as new discoveries are made, new testing methods are rolled out and the number of tests able to be processed continues to increase.
I don't claim to be a Nostradamus, nor do I have crystal balls but I predict by April life will start to return to some type of normal. We will be able to attend sporting events, go to theatres or have mass gatherings as the efficiency of testing and controlling the virus will be in a very good place by then.
Face coverings will remain one of the main control measures in preventing spread, don't expect any reduction of their necessity until mass inoculation has taken place.
There is a clear route being created to get us out of this quagmire but it will require us all to observe the regulations and work together.
I cling to that Darwinian theory that life will find a way to survive. I also believe in natural selection, it would seem there are a number of Dodo who haven't taken notice of what's happening around them. I'm sure nobody needs me to explain what happened to the Dodo  |
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"Completely pointless with schools & universities still open. Should have done a 2 week lockdown over half term.
I was going to ask, do the English people think Boris made another fuck up by missing the opportunity to coincide a short lockdown with the half term closure of schools?? "
No, I don't believe he did.
The 3 tier system was not given sufficient time to prove it's effectiveness, which it has subsequently done.
The government bowed to pressure from Labour, prediction based upon out of date data and demands from some public figures to lock the country down.
Yes, the government has made bad decisions along the way but so has every government worldwide.
The levels seen in the UK are no different from other European countries of similar population mass.
The UK has led the way in development of novel treatments and understanding of the virus and has ploughed billions into R&D and supporting the economy.
The government are walking a tightrope trying to maintain the economy while trying to defeat the virus.
We, the people, have as much a responsibility as the government to act with due diligence to bring an end to this and we are equally responsible for when it goes wrong.
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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We, the people, have as much a responsibility as the government to act with due diligence to bring an end to this and we are equally responsible for when it goes wrong.
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I think there's more responsibility on the general populace.
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"Completely pointless with schools & universities still open. Should have done a 2 week lockdown over half term.
I was going to ask, do the English people think Boris made another fuck up by missing the opportunity to coincide a short lockdown with the half term closure of schools??
No, I don't believe he did.
The 3 tier system was not given sufficient time to prove it's effectiveness, which it has subsequently done.
The government bowed to pressure from Labour, prediction based upon out of date data and demands from some public figures to lock the country down.
Yes, the government has made bad decisions along the way but so has every government worldwide.
The levels seen in the UK are no different from other European countries of similar population mass.
The UK has led the way in development of novel treatments and understanding of the virus and has ploughed billions into R&D and supporting the economy.
The government are walking a tightrope trying to maintain the economy while trying to defeat the virus.
We, the people, have as much a responsibility as the government to act with due diligence to bring an end to this and we are equally responsible for when it goes wrong.
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The scientists advised a 2 week lock down
The gmnt ignored them and claimed to be following the science |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Completely pointless with schools & universities still open. Should have done a 2 week lockdown over half term.
I was going to ask, do the English people think Boris made another fuck up by missing the opportunity to coincide a short lockdown with the half term closure of schools??
No, I don't believe he did.
The 3 tier system was not given sufficient time to prove it's effectiveness, which it has subsequently done.
The government bowed to pressure from Labour, prediction based upon out of date data and demands from some public figures to lock the country down.
Yes, the government has made bad decisions along the way but so has every government worldwide.
The levels seen in the UK are no different from other European countries of similar population mass.
The UK has led the way in development of novel treatments and understanding of the virus and has ploughed billions into R&D and supporting the economy.
The government are walking a tightrope trying to maintain the economy while trying to defeat the virus.
We, the people, have as much a responsibility as the government to act with due diligence to bring an end to this and we are equally responsible for when it goes wrong.
The scientists advised a 2 week lock down
The gmnt ignored them and claimed to be following the science"
It was purely a political decision because the opposition were calling for it so instead Boris waited another 3 weeks. |
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