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"Apart from rare but severe priblems with live virus vaccs This is not a live virus vaccine so please if you must talk a bout side effects etc post some real. verifiable facts"
We asked the same question a few weeks ago ..
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Other than the usual suspects moaning and groaning about nothing. |
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It is ignorance to over exaggerate side effects from a vaccine. However, it's equally ignorant to believe that any drug, vaccine or not, will have no side effects. Covid vaccine clinical trial data is now being published by various groups. Here is one example from China, results published in Lancet:
Phase I trial, 192 participants: At least one adverse reaction within 7 days of inoculation in 42 (29%) of 144 vaccine recipients. Phase II trial, 448 participants: At least one adverse reaction within the first 7 days reported in 76 (23%) of 336 vaccine recipients.
Some of the adverse reactions are localised and what you'd expect for any injected drug e.g. pain, swelling, rash. The main systemic adverse reaction observed was mild or moderate fever. |
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"It is ignorance to over exaggerate side effects from a vaccine. However, it's equally ignorant to believe that any drug, vaccine or not, will have no side effects. Covid vaccine clinical trial data is now being published by various groups. Here is one example from China, results published in Lancet:
Phase I trial, 192 participants: At least one adverse reaction within 7 days of inoculation in 42 (29%) of 144 vaccine recipients. Phase II trial, 448 participants: At least one adverse reaction within the first 7 days reported in 76 (23%) of 336 vaccine recipients.
Some of the adverse reactions are localised and what you'd expect for any injected drug e.g. pain, swelling, rash. The main systemic adverse reaction observed was mild or moderate fever."
The question we asked was for serious or long term side effects of any vaccine developed in recent times.
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I personally am not anti vaccine. Vaccines have a very important and valid place in today's society.
However I understand that it is very difficult to actually link more serious and long term adverse affects to any vaccine for obvious reasons.
One example I have come across is the Swine flu vaccine which was developed in the space of 6 months only. This was allegated to be linked with narcolepsy, a seriously debilitating and life changing condition. Of course, never proven, at least as far as I am aware. Yet Ireland has subsequently withdrawn and returned remaining stocks, Finland apparently started a compensation process. Back in the days of this pandemic certain countries provided manufacturers of this vaccine with liability indemnity, which I find highly questionable!
And, according to the US federal government website, a notice effective as of the beginning of February, by the Secretary of the Health and Human Services Act, showed the declaration with regards to the Public Health Service Act stating that liability immunity is given for activities related to medical countermeasures against Covid 19.
This means that anyone involved in the manufacture, distribution, administration or use of medical countermeasures, like for instance vaccines, has automatic liability immunity.
This, in my humble opinion, is the best road to attract carelessness and negligence along the way.
Take from that what you will...
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"just look at Thalidomide, to see how a vaccine can go horibly wrong, unless there has been years of testing, then i will pass thank you"
2 things thalidomide happened more than 40 years ago technology has moved on an awful lot since then, for instance the effect of chirality is understood now. Thalidomide is not and has never been a vaccine. |
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"just look at Thalidomide, to see how a vaccine can go horibly wrong, unless there has been years of testing, then i will pass thank you
2 things thalidomide happened more than 40 years ago technology has moved on an awful lot since then, for instance the effect of chirality is understood now. Thalidomide is not and has never been a vaccine."
all that you say is true, but im sure you get my point |
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"just look at Thalidomide, to see how a vaccine can go horibly wrong, unless there has been years of testing, then i will pass thank you
2 things thalidomide happened more than 40 years ago technology has moved on an awful lot since then, for instance the effect of chirality is understood now. Thalidomide is not and has never been a vaccine."
oh and the flue jab nearly killed my dad, it has made him bed bound and hes now in a nursing home requiring 24 hr care, he was advised to have it by a doctor, so no i dont trust vaccines etc, call me what you like, but ive seen how it can go wrong, nothing is going to change my mind.
lets not forget that covid kills very few people, you have more chance of being killed in your car!!!. lets ban them aswell!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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"Apart from rare but severe priblems with live virus vaccs This is not a live virus vaccine so please if you must talk a bout side effects etc post some real. verifiable facts"
Heres a fact
It's not been tested
What's it effects on a fetus ?
How long does it give immunity?
What's the effects of 4 booster jabs on a 53 year old with diabetes after a period of 3 years ?
How does it interact with all other prescription drugs ?
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"just look at Thalidomide, to see how a vaccine can go horibly wrong, unless there has been years of testing, then i will pass thank you
2 things thalidomide happened more than 40 years ago technology has moved on an awful lot since then, for instance the effect of chirality is understood now. Thalidomide is not and has never been a vaccine.
oh and the flue jab nearly killed my dad, it has made him bed bound and hes now in a nursing home requiring 24 hr care, he was advised to have it by a doctor, so no i dont trust vaccines etc, call me what you like, but ive seen how it can go wrong, nothing is going to change my mind.
lets not forget that covid kills very few people, you have more chance of being killed in your car!!!. lets ban them aswell!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Incorrect average uk road death per year are around 1700. Obviously covid deaths so far massively outweigh road deaths. |
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"Apart from rare but severe priblems with live virus vaccs This is not a live virus vaccine so please if you must talk a bout side effects etc post some real. verifiable facts
Heres a fact
It's not been tested
What's it effects on a fetus ?
How long does it give immunity?
What's the effects of 4 booster jabs on a 53 year old with diabetes after a period of 3 years ?
How does it interact with all other prescription drugs ?
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It has been tested but obviously not tested enough as its not licensed. No ones know what effect a vaccine or in fact covid has on a fetus. Diabetes a vaccine will almost certainly have less consequences for a diabetic than the actual virus. The length of Immunity is unknown just the same as catching the virus. |
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"Apart from rare but severe priblems with live virus vaccs This is not a live virus vaccine so please if you must talk a bout side effects etc post some real. verifiable facts
Heres a fact
It's not been tested
What's it effects on a fetus ?
How long does it give immunity?
What's the effects of 4 booster jabs on a 53 year old with diabetes after a period of 3 years ?
How does it interact with all other prescription drugs ?
It has been tested but obviously not tested enough as its not licensed. No ones know what effect a vaccine or in fact covid has on a fetus. Diabetes a vaccine will almost certainly have less consequences for a diabetic than the actual virus. The length of Immunity is unknown just the same as catching the virus."
"Diabetes a vaccine will almost certainly have less consequences for a diabetic than the actual virus."
I don't think this is an evidence based conclusion. |
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"Apart from rare but severe priblems with live virus vaccs This is not a live virus vaccine so please if you must talk a bout side effects etc post some real. verifiable facts
Heres a fact
It's not been tested
What's it effects on a fetus ?
How long does it give immunity?
What's the effects of 4 booster jabs on a 53 year old with diabetes after a period of 3 years ?
How does it interact with all other prescription drugs ?
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It's not being offered to pregnant women. The UK are offering it to over 50s, starting with the oldest age group over 80 and then moving backwards, but there are no plans to vaccinate younger people than 50. People aged 50 and over are generally not pregnant (yes, there's been a handful of IVF pregnancies in such women). Therefore the initial data needs to focus on safety in this age group. They will assess longer term before rolling out to younger ages. |
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"Apart from rare but severe priblems with live virus vaccs This is not a live virus vaccine so please if you must talk a bout side effects etc post some real. verifiable facts
Heres a fact
It's not been tested
What's it effects on a fetus ?
How long does it give immunity?
What's the effects of 4 booster jabs on a 53 year old with diabetes after a period of 3 years ?
How does it interact with all other prescription drugs ?
It has been tested but obviously not tested enough as its not licensed. No ones know what effect a vaccine or in fact covid has on a fetus. Diabetes a vaccine will almost certainly have less consequences for a diabetic than the actual virus. The length of Immunity is unknown just the same as catching the virus."
So as suggested it's not tested and you are completely guessing that its effects are less harmful than the virus no certainly about it esp as the virus can inflict everything from zero effects to death
I think what you meant was
They have begun testing
Not it's been tested
I absolutely do not suggest any vaccine is dangerous I dont have any data
And that same lack of data applies to suggesting to many specific groups including those expecting
It's simply that currently insufficiently tested to assure safety
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"Apart from rare but severe priblems with live virus vaccs This is not a live virus vaccine so please if you must talk a bout side effects etc post some real. verifiable facts
Heres a fact
It's not been tested
What's it effects on a fetus ?
How long does it give immunity?
What's the effects of 4 booster jabs on a 53 year old with diabetes after a period of 3 years ?
How does it interact with all other prescription drugs ?
It has been tested but obviously not tested enough as its not licensed. No ones know what effect a vaccine or in fact covid has on a fetus. Diabetes a vaccine will almost certainly have less consequences for a diabetic than the actual virus. The length of Immunity is unknown just the same as catching the virus.
"Diabetes a vaccine will almost certainly have less consequences for a diabetic than the actual virus."
I don't think this is an evidence based conclusion. "
That is why i said almost certainly. The evidence i have is the virus itself is very dangerous for diabetics, any licensed will almost certainly be less dangerous. |
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I had my flu jab today and it came with the integrated chip and tracker.
I was in the first 50 to get the jab at our surgery, so was entitled to a free windows 2021 update courtesy of Bill Gates.
I did pay £20 extra for a VPN patch, so I can be discreet on meets ?? |
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"I had my flu jab today and it came with the integrated chip and tracker.
I was in the first 50 to get the jab at our surgery, so was entitled to a free windows 2021 update courtesy of Bill Gates.
I did pay £20 extra for a VPN patch, so I can be discreet on meets ??"
Excellent, any meet can track your arrival on Google Maps now too. No flakey last minute excuses  |
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"just look at Thalidomide, to see how a vaccine can go horibly wrong, unless there has been years of testing, then i will pass thank you
2 things thalidomide happened more than 40 years ago technology has moved on an awful lot since then, for instance the effect of chirality is understood now. Thalidomide is not and has never been a vaccine.
all that you say is true, but im sure you get my point"
Nope |
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