FabSwingers.com > Forums > Virus > Lock down against what?
Jump to: Newest in thread
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" Those are the reasons though. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" Maybe you should ask someone to read the guidlines to you and explain it. You must have missed the news earlier. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" So we know how bears feel when they hibernate? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed." I honestly think the OP is either messing about or you are wasting your time trying to explain. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" So they can keep us inside while Bill Gates installs more 5G towers? Or, to reduce the spread of the virus enough to allow the NHS to continue to function. You decide. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" It's to protect my vagina against the covidiots who will keep emerging as long as the restrictions do these forums are a great filter | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I reckon a 10 year old would be able to understand what has just been presented by BoJo et al. What on earth do you fail to understand?" | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed." 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" Are you for real what planet are you from? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. " You keep posting this, what exactly do you think you are adding to the discussion? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" Is there a bang's head against the wall emoji? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. You keep posting this, what exactly do you think you are adding to the discussion?" whatever you want take it how you want | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Because.. They have to be seen to be doing something.. Another #lockpisspeopleoffsomemorethat'llwork-not" I agree with this. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" So basically you don't want any actual logical responses to your question? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. You keep posting this, what exactly do you think you are adding to the discussion? whatever you want take it how you want " I take it that you think you are being clever but in reality have very little idea how averages work, let alone how deadly viruses spread. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. You keep posting this, what exactly do you think you are adding to the discussion? whatever you want take it how you want I take it that you think you are being clever but in reality have very little idea how averages work, let alone how deadly viruses spread." Bow down to your superior Knowledge | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. " Quick post some more soundbite data without any context or point... it will make you appear really insightful | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Bow down to your superior Knowledge " At last, one of your posts does illustrate a keen understanding of the situation and indeed the hierarchy of importance, #bravo x | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Bow down to your superior Knowledge At last, one of your posts does illustrate a keen understanding of the situation and indeed the hierarchy of importance, #bravo x" superior | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. You keep posting this, what exactly do you think you are adding to the discussion? whatever you want take it how you want I take it that you think you are being clever but in reality have very little idea how averages work, let alone how deadly viruses spread. Bow down to your superior Knowledge " First remotely sensible thing I’ve seen you write on these forums. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. Quick post some more soundbite data without any context or point... it will make you appear really insightful " True statistics | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. You keep posting this, what exactly do you think you are adding to the discussion?" To anyone who isn’t capable of understanding simple numbers, the average age of death is higher than the national average (for everything else) therefore the average person will die of old age before they die of covid | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. " It’s not just about deaths though is it, it’s all those that get sick with it, the need of intensive clinical beds to deal with the thousands in hospital; that’s on top of having to deal with the usual illnesses that need treatment. Simple scenario, if we just let it run it’s course and the hospitals get full and over capacity, individuals from a car crash or a house fire would unlikely be able to be treated fully as all the icu beds are overwhelmed with covid patients. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I understand the logic behind a lock down, but then it's gotta be done properly. If schools remain open then it kind of defeats the purpose. Instead of the parents getting it while going to the pub, the kids will just now bring it home from school. One school near me has now had 5 teachers ill in one week and all their pupils isolating. 5 classes with some kids testing positive and carrying it home to parents etc. Think if it's lockdown it needs to be a proper lockdown" Totally agree kids are great at spreading germs. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. You keep posting this, what exactly do you think you are adding to the discussion? To anyone who isn’t capable of understanding simple numbers, the average age of death is higher than the national average (for everything else) therefore the average person will die of old age before they die of covid" Which means that for every person who died at the age of 75 someone died at the age of 87? For those who don’t understand basic maths that means they would be losing 4.6 years of life. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. It’s not just about deaths though is it, it’s all those that get sick with it, the need of intensive clinical beds to deal with the thousands in hospital; that’s on top of having to deal with the usual illnesses that need treatment. Simple scenario, if we just let it run it’s course and the hospitals get full and over capacity, individuals from a car crash or a house fire would unlikely be able to be treated fully as all the icu beds are overwhelmed with covid patients. " Not to mention all the people who won’t get life saving operations because there are no ITU beds for them to go into afterwards. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Surely all the covid deniers carry a letter around, saying that they don't need the services of the NHS, as this is just all one big conspiracy? " Of course it's a conspiracy. All the governments decided to simultaneously trash their economies as a practical joke. Trump and Johnson thought it would be a good udea to open themselves up to criticism on poor handling of a virus that doesn't exist. Polical suicide for the same practical joke. So obvious... | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I despair at the mental age of these forums." My 3yo seemed to understand why her trampoline thingy would stop after Sunday. Crumbs, must be a LOW mental age. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. It’s not just about deaths though is it, it’s all those that get sick with it, the need of intensive clinical beds to deal with the thousands in hospital; that’s on top of having to deal with the usual illnesses that need treatment. Simple scenario, if we just let it run it’s course and the hospitals get full and over capacity, individuals from a car crash or a house fire would unlikely be able to be treated fully as all the icu beds are overwhelmed with covid patients. Not to mention all the people who won’t get life saving operations because there are no ITU beds for them to go into afterwards." That as well | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
" 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. " The figures are very easy to find. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26#deaths | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" You are either being deliberately controversial or stupid.. sorry but if no one else has the stones to say it I will ! We are locking down again because people cant behave themselves and follow rules .. and that spoils it for all of us whether someone thinks its 'rubbish' or not we all need to follow the rules and those that don't or wont are just tossers frankly | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. Quick post some more soundbite data without any context or point... it will make you appear really insightful True statistics " And 25% of hospital admissions are between 45 and 65 but I suppose you could say they're getting old now anyway. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. Quick post some more soundbite data without any context or point... it will make you appear really insightful True statistics And 25% of hospital admissions are between 45 and 65 but I suppose you could say they're getting old now anyway." Yeah they've served their purpose. What??? You expect me to wear a mask to save their lives! No way!!! I demand my freedom. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" rule of 6 meh I live in a shared house of 8 clearly covid is just another level of control, cause none of us have caught it and at points theirs been 16 people in this house | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. It’s not just about deaths though is it, it’s all those that get sick with it, the need of intensive clinical beds to deal with the thousands in hospital; that’s on top of having to deal with the usual illnesses that need treatment. Simple scenario, if we just let it run it’s course and the hospitals get full and over capacity, individuals from a car crash or a house fire would unlikely be able to be treated fully as all the icu beds are overwhelmed with covid patients. " I really despair that some people don't understand this or just don't care. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Surely all the covid deniers carry a letter around, saying that they don't need the services of the NHS, as this is just all one big conspiracy? " I agree with you! I suggested this to someone who I know who is a 'denier' and they said that wouldn't be fair! flippin cheek of it . My take is if you deny there's a virus that has the potential to kill people , you refuse to protect yourself and everyone else from it and then get ill ? you then must waive your rights to free NHS help and if you need hospital treatment you pay for it yourself with no subsidy .. additionally, you get no help from the government even if your business goes down the tubes either .. finding the people who keep trying to rebel now very tiresome .. time they grew up frankly | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I reckon a 10 year old would be able to understand what has just been presented by BoJo et al. What on earth do you fail to understand?" This | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Surely all the covid deniers carry a letter around, saying that they don't need the services of the NHS, as this is just all one big conspiracy? I agree with you! I suggested this to someone who I know who is a 'denier' and they said that wouldn't be fair! flippin cheek of it . My take is if you deny there's a virus that has the potential to kill people , you refuse to protect yourself and everyone else from it and then get ill ? you then must waive your rights to free NHS help and if you need hospital treatment you pay for it yourself with no subsidy .. additionally, you get no help from the government even if your business goes down the tubes either .. finding the people who keep trying to rebel now very tiresome .. time they grew up frankly " | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day rule of 6 meh I live in a shared house of 8 clearly covid is just another level of control, cause none of us have caught it and at points theirs been 16 people in this house" Oh dear, someone’s been allowed to stay up past his bedtime, must be a half term treat. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. It’s not just about deaths though is it, it’s all those that get sick with it, the need of intensive clinical beds to deal with the thousands in hospital; that’s on top of having to deal with the usual illnesses that need treatment. Simple scenario, if we just let it run it’s course and the hospitals get full and over capacity, individuals from a car crash or a house fire would unlikely be able to be treated fully as all the icu beds are overwhelmed with covid patients. Not to mention all the people who won’t get life saving operations because there are no ITU beds for them to go into afterwards." The bulletin earlier made it crystal clear, or I thought it had, quick recap for those who find this difficult to grasp; Infection rate up Death rate up Hospital beds down NHS nurses doctors, not enough due to illness Result - all the ‘this is a conspiracy against poor old me cos I won’t get it’ won’t get access to the nhs for any routine treatment or any emergency treatment they may need. This isn’t just about Covid, it’s about everyday life and the frailties of your health. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
" finding the people who keep trying to rebel now very tiresome .. time they grew up frankly " | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed." Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
" finding the people who keep trying to rebel now very tiresome .. time they grew up frankly " Couldn’t agree more | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Simple maths... say you have ten spare hospital beds.. and ventilators for those ten beds... but you have 20 people who need them... how do you resolve it... and ... go " They will have to choose who to treat/save, it's heartbreaking. I can't actually believe people still don't think this is real (not you), some comments on this thread. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Simple maths... say you have ten spare hospital beds.. and ventilators for those ten beds... but you have 20 people who need them... how do you resolve it... and ... go They will have to choose who to treat/save, it's heartbreaking. I can't actually believe people still don't think this is real (not you), some comments on this thread." I wonder how these people would cope with going to tell the families of the patients who aren’t going to get a ventilator why their loved one has been chosen to die? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Simple maths... say you have ten spare hospital beds.. and ventilators for those ten beds... but you have 20 people who need them... how do you resolve it... and ... go " I certainly wouldn’t want to be the individual making that choice or telling the other ten families why their loved one didn’t get treatment | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Simple maths... say you have ten spare hospital beds.. and ventilators for those ten beds... but you have 20 people who need them... how do you resolve it... and ... go They will have to choose who to treat/save, it's heartbreaking. I can't actually believe people still don't think this is real (not you), some comments on this thread. I wonder how these people would cope with going to tell the families of the patients who aren’t going to get a ventilator why their loved one has been chosen to die?" Probably go down the pub and bury their heads in the sand | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still." Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I understand the logic behind a lock down, but then it's gotta be done properly. If schools remain open then it kind of defeats the purpose. Instead of the parents getting it while going to the pub, the kids will just now bring it home from school. One school near me has now had 5 teachers ill in one week and all their pupils isolating. 5 classes with some kids testing positive and carrying it home to parents etc. Think if it's lockdown it needs to be a proper lockdown" Yes it is a piss poor plan from a government in denial, too little, too late. But it's better than nothing. That is literally the only good thing about this plan. It is better than doing nothing. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late." I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Maybe for the same reason you practice safe sex " To avoid getting pregnant?! | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" OP who do you blame for this ground hog day? Is it the people who stay at home who perpetuate the spread of the virus? Is it the government looking for reasons to reduce it's revenue from taxable income an pay out a fortune in furlough. Or is it people with your attitude?) | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I understand the logic behind a lock down, but then it's gotta be done properly. If schools remain open then it kind of defeats the purpose. Instead of the parents getting it while going to the pub, the kids will just now bring it home from school. One school near me has now had 5 teachers ill in one week and all their pupils isolating. 5 classes with some kids testing positive and carrying it home to parents etc. Think if it's lockdown it needs to be a proper lockdown Yes it is a piss poor plan from a government in denial, too little, too late. But it's better than nothing. That is literally the only good thing about this plan. It is better than doing nothing." A bunch of public school wankers, desperate to show how much cleverer than the experts they are. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. " So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky..." We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. " No we just have 10 minute funerals with half a dozen people there and that’s when we were only having a few hundred people a day dying, can’t imagine what will happen if the death rate continues it’s current trajectory. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. No we just have 10 minute funerals with half a dozen people there and that’s when we were only having a few hundred people a day dying, can’t imagine what will happen if the death rate continues it’s current trajectory. " Even that is still more respectful than thè mass grave fear put out to scare people. I dont doubt the system will be/is put under strain but to use shocking imagery and scare tactics on people is cruel.. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" Answers to your questions; Q) What and why are we locking down for? A) There's going to be an alien invasion, it's best if we stay indoors. They drink our earwax. Q) Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it. A) Lockdown protects us while we're at home. Aliens can't use doorknobs, they don't have opposable thumbs. Q) Or protect beds A) We ARE protecting beds. We need them to hide under in case the aliens develop opposable thumbs. Hope that helps. E | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. No we just have 10 minute funerals with half a dozen people there and that’s when we were only having a few hundred people a day dying, can’t imagine what will happen if the death rate continues it’s current trajectory. " The rules on funerals are not due to volumes of people dying, but to minimise gatherings of people from different households. As awful as it is, that's the reason. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. " And what, if not lockdown, prevents us from becoming like Brazil? Brazil has mass graves because their president Jair Bolsonaro, was a covid denier like many of the people on this forum. To summarise... Brazil has mass graves because they didn't have lockdown. We don't have mass graves because we had lockdown. Conclusion: We shouldn't have lockdown but still not expect mass graves? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. And what, if not lockdown, prevents us from becoming like Brazil? Brazil has mass graves because their president Jair Bolsonaro, was a covid denier like many of the people on this forum. To summarise... Brazil has mass graves because they didn't have lockdown. We don't have mass graves because we had lockdown. Conclusion: We shouldn't have lockdown but still not expect mass graves?" I wish I had your lockdown faith. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I think when the rockets get to Mars they will find more intelligent life there than there appears to be here . We will see 1000 deaths a day before 4 week are up. We won’t get the numbers of transmission down fast enough with education open and the “you can’t tell me what to do immature adults”. Say goodbye Christmas " | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. " You sure? I know someone contracted by the government and put on standby to just this earlier this year.. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Plague Pit: Hundreds of locations scattered around London where victims of the bubonic plague were disposed of in mass graves." Yes, but that was in 1665/6 | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Plague Pit: Hundreds of locations scattered around London where victims of the bubonic plague were disposed of in mass graves." Yes for the plague. A few hundred ish years ago (or whenever) | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Plague Pit: Hundreds of locations scattered around London where victims of the bubonic plague were disposed of in mass graves. Yes, but that was in 1665/6 " | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. You sure? I know someone contracted by the government and put on standby to just this earlier this year.." Maybe for hastily dug graves yes all individually still a grave with the person inside accounted for. No-one is throwing hundreds of bodies in a pit. Who is going to allow that to happen to any of their precious family in this day and age honestly. Its all hysteria. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. And what, if not lockdown, prevents us from becoming like Brazil? Brazil has mass graves because their president Jair Bolsonaro, was a covid denier like many of the people on this forum. To summarise... Brazil has mass graves because they didn't have lockdown. We don't have mass graves because we had lockdown. Conclusion: We shouldn't have lockdown but still not expect mass graves? I wish I had your lockdown faith. " Don't believe me. If you Google St Louis vs Philidelphia during the Spanish Flu, the two cities took different approaches with completely different results. "How some cities ‘flattened the curve’ during the 1918 flu pandemic" by National Geographic Sorry can't provide a link due to forum rules. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Plague Pit: Hundreds of locations scattered around London where victims of the bubonic plague were disposed of in mass graves. Yes, but that was in 1665/6 " Actually, you know what finished that plague off? The Great Fire of London wot started in Pudding Lane in summer 1666. Boris missed a trick there - burn it! Burn it with fire! Shit I'm good. I demand to speak to whomever is in charge here | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. Quick post some more soundbite data without any context or point... it will make you appear really insightful True statistics " With no context... | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. And what, if not lockdown, prevents us from becoming like Brazil? Brazil has mass graves because their president Jair Bolsonaro, was a covid denier like many of the people on this forum. To summarise... Brazil has mass graves because they didn't have lockdown. We don't have mass graves because we had lockdown. Conclusion: We shouldn't have lockdown but still not expect mass graves? I wish I had your lockdown faith. Don't believe me. If you Google St Louis vs Philidelphia during the Spanish Flu, the two cities took different approaches with completely different results. "How some cities ‘flattened the curve’ during the 1918 flu pandemic" by National Geographic Sorry can't provide a link due to forum rules." *squeaks But covid isnt the flu I totally understand the science, I am no denier but maybe a minimiser. I'll have a google anyway thanks. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. You sure? I know someone contracted by the government and put on standby to just this earlier this year.. Maybe for hastily dug graves yes all individually still a grave with the person inside accounted for. No-one is throwing hundreds of bodies in a pit. Who is going to allow that to happen to any of their precious family in this day and age honestly. Its all hysteria. " I don't think anyone suggests "throwing people" into pits. But as a simple matter of mathematics, if people are dying faster than their bodies can be disposed of what do you suggest as an alternative? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. And what, if not lockdown, prevents us from becoming like Brazil? Brazil has mass graves because their president Jair Bolsonaro, was a covid denier like many of the people on this forum. To summarise... Brazil has mass graves because they didn't have lockdown. We don't have mass graves because we had lockdown. Conclusion: We shouldn't have lockdown but still not expect mass graves? I wish I had your lockdown faith. Don't believe me. If you Google St Louis vs Philidelphia during the Spanish Flu, the two cities took different approaches with completely different results. "How some cities ‘flattened the curve’ during the 1918 flu pandemic" by National Geographic Sorry can't provide a link due to forum rules. *squeaks But covid isnt the flu I totally understand the science, I am no denier but maybe a minimiser. I'll have a google anyway thanks. " Covid, flu, smallpox.... pick your pandemic... The solution to outbreaks through the ages has been isolation. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed." I watched the brief... I think he very cleverly worded it. There was no if and buts. He said the options could end up nurses and Dr's having to choose which patients to treat. And covidiots still don't get it.... | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. You sure? I know someone contracted by the government and put on standby to just this earlier this year.. Maybe for hastily dug graves yes all individually still a grave with the person inside accounted for. No-one is throwing hundreds of bodies in a pit. Who is going to allow that to happen to any of their precious family in this day and age honestly. Its all hysteria. I don't think anyone suggests "throwing people" into pits. But as a simple matter of mathematics, if people are dying faster than their bodies can be disposed of what do you suggest as an alternative?" Didnt we get the spectacle of the freezer trucks wheeling into cities I know the logistics behind it all are fraught its just the constant horror show being presented to us I dont like and I think is unecessary. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I understand the logic behind a lock down, but then it's gotta be done properly. If schools remain open then it kind of defeats the purpose. Instead of the parents getting it while going to the pub, the kids will just now bring it home from school. One school near me has now had 5 teachers ill in one week and all their pupils isolating. 5 classes with some kids testing positive and carrying it home to parents etc. Think if it's lockdown it needs to be a proper lockdown Totally agree kids are great at spreading germs. " Have to say there’s rising evidence that infants are not only quite resilient to infection but also don’t make for the best carriers even when infected. The NW children’s hospitals have just completed a fairly major study into covid transmissions and the rates are far lower than expected. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. And what, if not lockdown, prevents us from becoming like Brazil? Brazil has mass graves because their president Jair Bolsonaro, was a covid denier like many of the people on this forum. To summarise... Brazil has mass graves because they didn't have lockdown. We don't have mass graves because we had lockdown. Conclusion: We shouldn't have lockdown but still not expect mass graves? I wish I had your lockdown faith. Don't believe me. If you Google St Louis vs Philidelphia during the Spanish Flu, the two cities took different approaches with completely different results. "How some cities ‘flattened the curve’ during the 1918 flu pandemic" by National Geographic Sorry can't provide a link due to forum rules. *squeaks But covid isnt the flu I totally understand the science, I am no denier but maybe a minimiser. I'll have a google anyway thanks. Covid, flu, smallpox.... pick your pandemic... The solution to outbreaks through the ages has been isolation. " Of pretty much everybody yes not a half arsed effort. Seal the village/city, nurse and feed and water your own. We havn't the gall to do that nowadays. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
" *squeaks But covid isnt the flu I totally understand the science, I am no denier but maybe a minimiser. I'll have a google anyway thanks. Covid, flu, smallpox.... pick your pandemic... The solution to outbreaks through the ages has been isolation. " You can't lump all disease into the same category like that. For example, you'll not stop malaria by isolation because it's vector borne. It all depends on the mode of transmission, the infectious dose, infectious agent, existence of any curative or supportive treatment and s bunch of other things. SARS1 disappeared not just due to wonderful isolation methods but because the way the virus behaved. This SARS virus is behaving very differently so those same methods are harder and much less effective. Asymptomatic spread and the most infectious period being before symptoms begin is making this virus very hard to contain. I'm not aware of a pandemic in the modern age driven by such a spread pattern. Influenza, for example, is rarely asymptomatic. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Mps put on furlough and we don't pay no taxes Oh its a second wave scamdemic Dictatorship " Can you explain what you're meaning by these three sentences please? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. Slight exaggeration, didnt they say that first time round and we never got nearly that bad, yes, yes *lockdown happened but still. Exactly. Lockdown happened. What part of explosive growth of a disease do you not understand. We were one week away from the mass graves. This time we may very well be too late. I really truly dont believe we were. Mass graves will never be a thing. So the mass graves in Brazil were trick photography? Sneaky... We arent Brazil. Calling it mass graves sensationalises images of digging a pit and tossing people in, we dont our dead like that. You sure? I know someone contracted by the government and put on standby to just this earlier this year.. Maybe for hastily dug graves yes all individually still a grave with the person inside accounted for. No-one is throwing hundreds of bodies in a pit. Who is going to allow that to happen to any of their precious family in this day and age honestly. Its all hysteria. I don't think anyone suggests "throwing people" into pits. But as a simple matter of mathematics, if people are dying faster than their bodies can be disposed of what do you suggest as an alternative? Didnt we get the spectacle of the freezer trucks wheeling into cities I know the logistics behind it all are fraught its just the constant horror show being presented to us I dont like and I think is unecessary. " Even presented with the horror show people are being reckless and irresponsible | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day rule of 6 meh I live in a shared house of 8 clearly covid is just another level of control, cause none of us have caught it and at points theirs been 16 people in this house" Very lucky then aren't you.. Along with extremely selfish if you haven't been practicing social distancing. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Plague Pit: Hundreds of locations scattered around London where victims of the bubonic plague were disposed of in mass graves." Oh ffs. Give it a rest. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Read some of the posts on here and they make interesting reading and we need to take out the NHS hysteria that gets mentioned and the evil word economy out of the arguments as they both tend to cloud things ! Firstly the NHS is funded by us all by paying our taxes, destroy the economy and you reduce the funding to the NHS, less doctors, less nurses, less hospitals and a quicker way to privatisation then anyone could imagine ! Secondly, Covid19 is a Coronavirus, which is effectively a flu, I know people will argue with that, but that’s how it’s categorised, what we do know is that flu virus’s mutate and have different strains, which is why we have the flu jab each year and some years it doesn’t work as effectively as others. The average time to produce and distribute a vaccine is 10.71 years from inception and yet we are going to try and rush one out inside a year - will it even worK ? We had a lockdown to protect the NHS but as soon as we started to live a normal life then the virus is rife and we lockdown again. Without an effective vaccine how many lockdowns does the country have to have before the economy totally falls over ? 42,000ish have died from Covid19 (and most had underlying health issues and many in care homes), 65,000ish have died at home from heart disease, cancer, liver failure, etc basically people either too scared to go to hospital or the NHS system failed them. Lockdowns on their own just kick the can down the road for the virus to spring up again somewhere down the line, they don’t work just push the problem back a month or two. Without an fully functioning test, track and trace with a suitable financial incentive to self-isolate then I think this virus is here to stay for a long time and we have to find ways to live with it !" You are correct, but we also can’t stay on a trajectory that puts us on course for 4000 more patients arriving at hospital every day in need of critical care | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Plague Pit: Hundreds of locations scattered around London where victims of the bubonic plague were disposed of in mass graves. Oh ffs. Give it a rest." Are the people who state incorrect covid facts giving it a rest? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Plague Pit: Hundreds of locations scattered around London where victims of the bubonic plague were disposed of in mass graves. Oh ffs. Give it a rest. Are the people who state incorrect covid facts giving it a rest?" When you have to exaggerate your position you weaken it. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
" Secondly, Covid19 is a Coronavirus, which is effectively a flu, I know people will argue with that, but that’s how it’s categorised, what we do know is that flu virus’s mutate and have different strains, which is why we have the flu jab each year and some years it doesn’t work as effectively as others. The average time to produce and distribute a vaccine is 10.71 years from inception and yet we are going to try and rush one out inside a year - will it even worK ? " Sorry, stopped reading after this scientifically inaccurate nonsense. 1) Covid-19 is not categorised as the flu, a flu or anything to do with the flu. It's from an entirely different family of viruses, totally unrelated and distinct. 2) SARS-CoV-2 is a very stable virus. All Coronaviruses have an in-built mechanism for proof reading their replicated genomes which substantially reduces transcription error. Influenza viruses lack this mechanism and therefore errors creep into their RNA replication far more frequently. Of the mutations identified to date in SARS-CoV-2, none result in anything antigenically different. 3) The information in point 2 means that the vaccine target of the viral S protein remains unchanged. The biggest question is "will those most at risk mount an adequate and sufficiently long lasting antibody response?" This is what the trials are addressing. But I'm sure you knew all that | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" you must be thick if you dont understand by now | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Read some of the posts on here and they make interesting reading and we need to take out the NHS hysteria that gets mentioned and the evil word economy out of the arguments as they both tend to cloud things ! Firstly the NHS is funded by us all by paying our taxes, destroy the economy and you reduce the funding to the NHS, less doctors, less nurses, less hospitals and a quicker way to privatisation then anyone could imagine ! Secondly, Covid19 is a Coronavirus, which is effectively a flu, I know people will argue with that, but that’s how it’s categorised, what we do know is that flu virus’s mutate and have different strains, which is why we have the flu jab each year and some years it doesn’t work as effectively as others. The average time to produce and distribute a vaccine is 10.71 years from inception and yet we are going to try and rush one out inside a year - will it even worK ? We had a lockdown to protect the NHS but as soon as we started to live a normal life then the virus is rife and we lockdown again. Without an effective vaccine how many lockdowns does the country have to have before the economy totally falls over ? 42,000ish have died from Covid19 (and most had underlying health issues and many in care homes), 65,000ish have died at home from heart disease, cancer, liver failure, etc basically people either too scared to go to hospital or the NHS system failed them. Lockdowns on their own just kick the can down the road for the virus to spring up again somewhere down the line, they don’t work just push the problem back a month or two. Without an fully functioning test, track and trace with a suitable financial incentive to self-isolate then I think this virus is here to stay for a long time and we have to find ways to live with it ! You are correct, but we also can’t stay on a trajectory that puts us on course for 4000 more patients arriving at hospital every day in need of critical care" But those figures are assumed on graphs based on nearly 400,000 tests a day, the ‘first wave’ never hit those trajectory figures and because we virtually no testing at that time they’re is little to compare to. But if the deaths followed the same pattern as the ‘first wave’ we should be on nearly 700 deaths a day now, but we are not. Also we are reporting virtually no flu deaths a day at the moment but on average of the 1,600 people that die every day we should have about 100-200 a day from flu. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Read some of the posts on here and they make interesting reading and we need to take out the NHS hysteria that gets mentioned and the evil word economy out of the arguments as they both tend to cloud things ! Firstly the NHS is funded by us all by paying our taxes, destroy the economy and you reduce the funding to the NHS, less doctors, less nurses, less hospitals and a quicker way to privatisation then anyone could imagine ! Secondly, Covid19 is a Coronavirus, which is effectively a flu, I know people will argue with that, but that’s how it’s categorised, what we do know is that flu virus’s mutate and have different strains, which is why we have the flu jab each year and some years it doesn’t work as effectively as others. The average time to produce and distribute a vaccine is 10.71 years from inception and yet we are going to try and rush one out inside a year - will it even worK ? We had a lockdown to protect the NHS but as soon as we started to live a normal life then the virus is rife and we lockdown again. Without an effective vaccine how many lockdowns does the country have to have before the economy totally falls over ? 42,000ish have died from Covid19 (and most had underlying health issues and many in care homes), 65,000ish have died at home from heart disease, cancer, liver failure, etc basically people either too scared to go to hospital or the NHS system failed them. Lockdowns on their own just kick the can down the road for the virus to spring up again somewhere down the line, they don’t work just push the problem back a month or two. Without an fully functioning test, track and trace with a suitable financial incentive to self-isolate then I think this virus is here to stay for a long time and we have to find ways to live with it ! You are correct, but we also can’t stay on a trajectory that puts us on course for 4000 more patients arriving at hospital every day in need of critical care But those figures are assumed on graphs based on nearly 400,000 tests a day, the ‘first wave’ never hit those trajectory figures and because we virtually no testing at that time they’re is little to compare to. But if the deaths followed the same pattern as the ‘first wave’ we should be on nearly 700 deaths a day now, but we are not. Also we are reporting virtually no flu deaths a day at the moment but on average of the 1,600 people that die every day we should have about 100-200 a day from flu." Maybe, just maybe mask wearing and social distancing has greatly reduced the transmission of flu... | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Read some of the posts on here and they make interesting reading and we need to take out the NHS hysteria that gets mentioned and the evil word economy out of the arguments as they both tend to cloud things ! Firstly the NHS is funded by us all by paying our taxes, destroy the economy and you reduce the funding to the NHS, less doctors, less nurses, less hospitals and a quicker way to privatisation then anyone could imagine ! Secondly, Covid19 is a Coronavirus, which is effectively a flu, I know people will argue with that, but that’s how it’s categorised, what we do know is that flu virus’s mutate and have different strains, which is why we have the flu jab each year and some years it doesn’t work as effectively as others. The average time to produce and distribute a vaccine is 10.71 years from inception and yet we are going to try and rush one out inside a year - will it even worK ? We had a lockdown to protect the NHS but as soon as we started to live a normal life then the virus is rife and we lockdown again. Without an effective vaccine how many lockdowns does the country have to have before the economy totally falls over ? 42,000ish have died from Covid19 (and most had underlying health issues and many in care homes), 65,000ish have died at home from heart disease, cancer, liver failure, etc basically people either too scared to go to hospital or the NHS system failed them. Lockdowns on their own just kick the can down the road for the virus to spring up again somewhere down the line, they don’t work just push the problem back a month or two. Without an fully functioning test, track and trace with a suitable financial incentive to self-isolate then I think this virus is here to stay for a long time and we have to find ways to live with it ! You are correct, but we also can’t stay on a trajectory that puts us on course for 4000 more patients arriving at hospital every day in need of critical care But those figures are assumed on graphs based on nearly 400,000 tests a day, the ‘first wave’ never hit those trajectory figures and because we virtually no testing at that time they’re is little to compare to. But if the deaths followed the same pattern as the ‘first wave’ we should be on nearly 700 deaths a day now, but we are not. Also we are reporting virtually no flu deaths a day at the moment but on average of the 1,600 people that die every day we should have about 100-200 a day from flu." Yes flu figures have plummeted around the world. A fact worth googling. Dexamethasone is thought to reduce Covid-19 deaths by a third. Hence numbers are actually higher than expected. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
" Secondly, Covid19 is a Coronavirus, which is effectively a flu, I know people will argue with that, but that’s how it’s categorised, what we do know is that flu virus’s mutate and have different strains, which is why we have the flu jab each year and some years it doesn’t work as effectively as others. The average time to produce and distribute a vaccine is 10.71 years from inception and yet we are going to try and rush one out inside a year - will it even worK ? Sorry, stopped reading after this scientifically inaccurate nonsense. 1) Covid-19 is not categorised as the flu, a flu or anything to do with the flu. It's from an entirely different family of viruses, totally unrelated and distinct. 2) SARS-CoV-2 is a very stable virus. All Coronaviruses have an in-built mechanism for proof reading their replicated genomes which substantially reduces transcription error. Influenza viruses lack this mechanism and therefore errors creep into their RNA replication far more frequently. Of the mutations identified to date in SARS-CoV-2, none result in anything antigenically different. 3) The information in point 2 means that the vaccine target of the viral S protein remains unchanged. The biggest question is "will those most at risk mount an adequate and sufficiently long lasting antibody response?" This is what the trials are addressing. But I'm sure you knew all that " If what you are saying is true then like SARS once you had Covid19 then you would be immune to catching it again and yet tests are showing multiple infections of Covid19, which is why some scientists (not all I grant you) are categorising it as a flu virus in the way it acts. Whichever side of the argument you want to take, we have only in history successfully rolled out one vaccine - the one for smallpox - do odds on us finding one for Covid19 and fully tested to use on the masses inside a year is Boris’s moonshot I think ! | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Jeez. There's less flu because we're apparently trying not to mix or sneeze in each other. Flu has a lower replication number, different infectious dose and infection pattern, we've locked down care homes where it often breaks out and have the highest vaccine uptake ever. And we wonder why flu deaths are down? " That’s actually not true, the reason I know this is my mother died of flu she contracted in hospital back in 2015, one of 50,000 that died that year of the flu epidemic. At the inquest the corner stated that flu transmission deaths were the highest in hospitals so my mothers death was not uncommon. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day No no no WHAT IS GROUND HOG IS YOUR REPLY, Not happy st all with one death, can we protect or avoid some YES can we avoid all NO WAY , covid is not the bigest killer and never will be Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed." | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
" Secondly, Covid19 is a Coronavirus, which is effectively a flu, I know people will argue with that, but that’s how it’s categorised, what we do know is that flu virus’s mutate and have different strains, which is why we have the flu jab each year and some years it doesn’t work as effectively as others. The average time to produce and distribute a vaccine is 10.71 years from inception and yet we are going to try and rush one out inside a year - will it even worK ? Sorry, stopped reading after this scientifically inaccurate nonsense. 1) Covid-19 is not categorised as the flu, a flu or anything to do with the flu. It's from an entirely different family of viruses, totally unrelated and distinct. 2) SARS-CoV-2 is a very stable virus. All Coronaviruses have an in-built mechanism for proof reading their replicated genomes which substantially reduces transcription error. Influenza viruses lack this mechanism and therefore errors creep into their RNA replication far more frequently. Of the mutations identified to date in SARS-CoV-2, none result in anything antigenically different. 3) The information in point 2 means that the vaccine target of the viral S protein remains unchanged. The biggest question is "will those most at risk mount an adequate and sufficiently long lasting antibody response?" This is what the trials are addressing. But I'm sure you knew all that If what you are saying is true then like SARS once you had Covid19 then you would be immune to catching it again and yet tests are showing multiple infections of Covid19, which is why some scientists (not all I grant you) are categorising it as a flu virus in the way it acts. Whichever side of the argument you want to take, we have only in history successfully rolled out one vaccine - the one for smallpox - do odds on us finding one for Covid19 and fully tested to use on the masses inside a year is Boris’s moonshot I think !" Many so called reinfections are just very sensitive PCR tests picking up inactive virus weeks or months later. The number of genuine reinfections is barely double digits worldwide (genuine when the second viral sample is shown to be distinct from the first). Many people with mild Covid do not make many/any antibodies but that's got nothing to do with the vaccine. Vaccines contain adjuvants to heighten the response and optimise it. We only successfully rolled out one vaccine (smallpox)? Eh? We have myriad very successful vaccines in use worldwide. I'm not sure what you're on about there. Do you know anyone who died of measles, TB, diphtheria recently? Anyone paralysed by polio? Any mothers with children born blind due to rubella? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. I honestly think the OP is either messing about or you are wasting your time trying to explain. " NO NOT MESSING AT ALL, How will we all protect and shield elderly people, Through education not what an idiot tells you on tv seriously please if you had an elderly mother would you listen or take head of what’s being said | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Jeez. There's less flu because we're apparently trying not to mix or sneeze in each other. Flu has a lower replication number, different infectious dose and infection pattern, we've locked down care homes where it often breaks out and have the highest vaccine uptake ever. And we wonder why flu deaths are down? That’s actually not true, the reason I know this is my mother died of flu she contracted in hospital back in 2015, one of 50,000 that died that year of the flu epidemic. At the inquest the corner stated that flu transmission deaths were the highest in hospitals so my mothers death was not uncommon." Yes, hospitals are sealed care facilities where we bunch lots of sick people together. We currently bunch old people into care homes and keep them there. We are keeping old folks isolated in care homes where under normal circumstances (like 2015), they'd probably be sent to hospital. So, the most likely place for rapid and widespread flu transmission now, in 2020, is care homes. Fortunately we are doing better there than we did in March. Sorry about your mother's passing. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I understand the logic behind a lock down, but then it's gotta be done properly. If schools remain open then it kind of defeats the purpose. Instead of the parents getting it while going to the pub, the kids will just now bring it home from school. One school near me has now had 5 teachers ill in one week and all their pupils isolating. 5 classes with some kids testing positive and carrying it home to parents etc. Think if it's lockdown it needs to be a proper lockdown" Do it properly or not at all. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. " What does this mean? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. I honestly think the OP is either messing about or you are wasting your time trying to explain. NO NOT MESSING AT ALL, How will we all protect and shield elderly people, Through education not what an idiot tells you on tv seriously please if you had an elderly mother would you listen or take head of what’s being said" Never get into an argument with an idiot - they will drag you down to their level and then use their experience to beat you. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. What does this mean? " They are saying people dying from covid were living on borrowed time. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
" NO NOT MESSING AT ALL, How will we all protect and shield elderly people, Through education not what an idiot tells you on tv seriously please if you had an elderly mother would you listen or take head of what’s being said" Yes I would, and do, without hesitation. The alternative 'methods' expounded by self-appointed 'experts' are nonsensical to anyone with half a brain and dangerous to those who don't. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. What does this mean? They are saying people dying from covid were living on borrowed time." Borrowed time? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"A pandemic requires a community response, sadly for us with live in the age of the individual. Stay safe everyone, it going to be a long tough winter. I don't know how bad it will need to get before some people realise how bad it actually is." For some it will only hit home when they lose or nearly lose a friend or a loved one to COVID. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I really don’t mind in opinion debate that’s very healthy can learn from each other But to get very abusive messages then blocked that’s ignorant people for you" Report them | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"A pandemic requires a community response, sadly for us with live in the age of the individual. Stay safe everyone, it going to be a long tough winter. I don't know how bad it will need to get before some people realise how bad it actually is. For some it will only hit home when they lose or nearly lose a friend or a loved one to COVID. " To be honest mine wasn't that bad, few symptoms, however my best mate spent 4 weeks in bed, I saw him last week and he look like a skeleton..... Crazy virus | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. What does this mean? They are saying people dying from covid were living on borrowed time. Borrowed time? " They are saying they haved lived beyond the average life expectancy. What they don't say is people over 80 comprise 52% of Covid-19 mortality. 40 % are 60 - 79. 7% are 40 - 59. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I really don’t mind in opinion debate that’s very healthy can learn from each other But to get very abusive messages then blocked that’s ignorant people for you" You're entitled to your opinions just like everybody else | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. What does this mean? They are saying people dying from covid were living on borrowed time. Borrowed time? They are saying they haved lived beyond the average life expectancy. What they don't say is people over 80 comprise 52% of Covid-19 mortality. 40 % are 60 - 79. 7% are 40 - 59." Ah right, so their life is less important because they have gone beyond the average age? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. " So we should just let them die a terrible way? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"A pandemic requires a community response, sadly for us with live in the age of the individual. Stay safe everyone, it going to be a long tough winter. I don't know how bad it will need to get before some people realise how bad it actually is. For some it will only hit home when they lose or nearly lose a friend or a loved one to COVID. To be honest mine wasn't that bad, few symptoms, however my best mate spent 4 weeks in bed, I saw him last week and he look like a skeleton..... Crazy virus" Scary, it killed my friend uncle so I know firsthand how ‘real’ it is | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. So we should just let them die a terrible way?" Apparently they are passed their ‘sell by date ‘ | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I really don’t mind in opinion debate that’s very healthy can learn from each other But to get very abusive messages then blocked that’s ignorant people for you Report them " Can not report once blocked I looked | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I really don’t mind in opinion debate that’s very healthy can learn from each other But to get very abusive messages then blocked that’s ignorant people for you Report them Can not report once blocked I looked" Yes you can. You can report the message. Also you are allowed to discuss privet messages on the forums. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"A pandemic requires a community response, sadly for us with live in the age of the individual. Stay safe everyone, it going to be a long tough winter. I don't know how bad it will need to get before some people realise how bad it actually is. For some it will only hit home when they lose or nearly lose a friend or a loved one to COVID. To be honest mine wasn't that bad, few symptoms, however my best mate spent 4 weeks in bed, I saw him last week and he look like a skeleton..... Crazy virus Scary, it killed my friend uncle so I know firsthand how ‘real’ it is " Sorry to hear that | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I really don’t mind in opinion debate that’s very healthy can learn from each other But to get very abusive messages then blocked that’s ignorant people for you Report them Can not report once blocked I looked Yes you can. You can report the message. Also you are allowed to discuss privet messages on the forums. " *Not allowed | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. So we should just let them die a terrible way? Apparently they are passed their ‘sell by date ‘ " They were good enough to fight for our freedom in WwII. Buy them a poppy then kill them because you don't like waering a mask. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. So we should just let them die a terrible way? Apparently they are passed their ‘sell by date ‘ They were good enough to fight for our freedom in WwII. Buythem a poppy then kill them because you don't like waering a mask." Damn | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I really don’t mind in opinion debate that’s very healthy can learn from each other But to get very abusive messages then blocked that’s ignorant people for you Report them Can not report once blocked I looked Yes you can. You can report the message. Also you are allowed to discuss privet messages on the forums. *Not allowed " Yeah that. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I really don’t mind in opinion debate that’s very healthy can learn from each other But to get very abusive messages then blocked that’s ignorant people for you Report them Can not report once blocked I looked Yes you can. You can report the message. Also you are allowed to discuss privet messages on the forums. *Not allowed Yeah that. " Good not allowing everyone | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Ok then explain this bit of stupidity. I invigilate at my local school. This last week I & 8 others were doing various exams through out the week. Between sessions we have to go to the cafeteria as a group in order to minimise exposure to staff & students ( so far reasonably sensible but for the fact there's more than 6) but apparently it's ok as long as we're work colleges. The ridiculous part is we then can't go over the road to a café after work for a coffee or back to someone's house as we used to do. Some one please explain the sense of that. You can't because there is none. The other situation I have is I'm a builder/maintenance man & in the last 4 months I have been in over 20 different houses, sometimes for 2 or 3 day jobs while the families have been at home. While obviously essential work & complies with the rules makes a nonsense out of not mixing households. " None of it makes sense. That's a key reason why people are disregarding it. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"The absolute ignorance of people calling it a scamdemic. It very near killed a friend of mine and left him intensive care for weeks. What’s not to understand - don’t overwhelm - the already very put upon - nhs " Its shocking. It has killed a friend of mine and a colleague and 4 of my friends have lost parents or grandparents to this virus. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"The absolute ignorance of people calling it a scamdemic. It very near killed a friend of mine and left him intensive care for weeks. What’s not to understand - don’t overwhelm - the already very put upon - nhs Its shocking. It has killed a friend of mine and a colleague and 4 of my friends have lost parents or grandparents to this virus. " So sorry to hear that lovely. It’s truly horrific. It pushed my friend to the brink and it was 50/50 wether he would survive. How anyone can call it fake is beyond me x | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"The absolute ignorance of people calling it a scamdemic. It very near killed a friend of mine and left him intensive care for weeks. What’s not to understand - don’t overwhelm - the already very put upon - nhs Its shocking. It has killed a friend of mine and a colleague and 4 of my friends have lost parents or grandparents to this virus. So sorry to hear that lovely. It’s truly horrific. It pushed my friend to the brink and it was 50/50 wether he would survive. How anyone can call it fake is beyond me x" Thank you and im glad your friend pulled through. I genuinely believe that people are just scared so it's easier for them to believe that it's just a lie and not happening. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Ok then explain this bit of stupidity. I invigilate at my local school. This last week I & 8 others were doing various exams through out the week. Between sessions we have to go to the cafeteria as a group in order to minimise exposure to staff & students ( so far reasonably sensible but for the fact there's more than 6) but apparently it's ok as long as we're work colleges. The ridiculous part is we then can't go over the road to a café after work for a coffee or back to someone's house as we used to do. Some one please explain the sense of that. You can't because there is none. The other situation I have is I'm a builder/maintenance man & in the last 4 months I have been in over 20 different houses, sometimes for 2 or 3 day jobs while the families have been at home. While obviously essential work & complies with the rules makes a nonsense out of not mixing households. " I don’t consider it to be nonsense. Especially the bit where you say you go to people’s houses as a builder. I work as a mobile engineer and I go to peoples houses too. But.... when I go to someone’s house to do a professional job, it is easy for me to follow the rules. So I wear a mask, keep social distance ( in most cases the customer sits in a completely different room from me). I don’t hug or shake hands with my clients. I spend as little time as needed and when the job is done I leave. On the flip side if I mix households like going to visit a friend or relative: I’m less likely to wear a mask or keep socially distanced from them and I’m more likely to spend more time with them compared to when I go to a customers house. So there is a greater chance of virus transmission if I visit friends and family compared to when I visit a stranger’s house for work purposes. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" My current favourite quote; Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. E | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"I reckon a 10 year old would be able to understand what has just been presented by BoJo et al. What on earth do you fail to understand?" Well said | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Only 4 cases at a major hospital near me so whats the fuss about ,hospitals never cope in the witer so its its nothing new ..use the florence nightingale hospitals for all covid and keep the normal ones free from covid, they were never used after al the fuss building them .." Must be awesome in your little fairy world! I assume that you have not yet had a relative or friend become ill or die due to *Covid-19 *Lack of NHS services because of shortage of staff/restricted services due to covid That makes you a lucky person, congratulations I hope though your luck continues and if you are impacted you join us in the real world. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"But those figures are assumed on graphs based on nearly 400,000 tests a day, the ‘first wave’ never hit those trajectory figures and because we virtually no testing at that time they’re is little to compare to. But if the deaths followed the same pattern as the ‘first wave’ we should be on nearly 700 deaths a day now, but we are not. Also we are reporting virtually no flu deaths a day at the moment but on average of the 1,600 people that die every day we should have about 100-200 a day from flu." Dee and Mike, you seem to be reasonably articulate and intelligent people but I can’t help but note some very obvious flaws in this statement: “We can make no comparisons as there was virtually no testing“... isn't it obvious we can marry up very accurately as to where we are on the previous infection curve from hospital admissions. The chance of hospitalisation has remained the same throughout this pandemic meaning we can do this with a very good degree of accuracy. “If deaths followed the same pattern”... they obviously aren’t, we know that from the above and we understand entirely that is down to improved treatments/knowledge... the living/dying difference makes very little impact on the strain on the NHS though, if anything patients surviving increases the workloads involved and the time patients occupy precious space within hospitals. Flu deaths are down this year but to insinuate they are being recorded as covid deaths is ridiculous. There’s a lot of thought on the reasons for a lower rate this year based on climate, a wider use of masks and of course social distancing. Add to that flu vaccinations are up by around 175%... there is no hidden tally here, there’s been a massive NHS effort to minimise flu’s impact. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Only 4 cases at a major hospital near me so whats the fuss about ,hospitals never cope in the witer so its its nothing new ..use the florence nightingale hospitals for all covid and keep the normal ones free from covid, they were never used after al the fuss building them .." Ermmm... you do realise the Manchester Nightingale is already re-opened, we then have 5 city trusts all at 80%+ of their expanded covid capacity (gained by closure of elective surgery etc). As for your local Hospital having only 4 patients... that doesn’t surprise me, I presume you mean Clacton Hospital? It’s a community hospital and having had a brief look on the NHS listing it contains no HDU or ICU meaning any serious conditions would be transferred whether that’s covid, serious RTAs etc. It illustrates the issue well though, there’s only a very select section of the NHS that can deal with and treat Critical covid patients... and as part of such a team that does, I can assure you we are all under tremendous pressure. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day Are you cool with mass deaths and thousands being buried together in mass graves? Because that's what it will look like if the health service is overwhelmed. 82.4 average age of Covid death ,81 average of life expectancy in U.K. You keep posting this, what exactly do you think you are adding to the discussion? whatever you want take it how you want " The young will suffer for the old yet again, just like Brexit | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" We are all going to suffer again because of the fuckwits who didn't stick to the rules the first time round and thought it was a joke, because of them thousands died and thousands more are going to die, the first time around they kept saying "why do we have to lockdown"?, no one who catches it says "why lockdown" they say why didn't we lockdown. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"But those figures are assumed on graphs based on nearly 400,000 tests a day, the ‘first wave’ never hit those trajectory figures and because we virtually no testing at that time they’re is little to compare to. But if the deaths followed the same pattern as the ‘first wave’ we should be on nearly 700 deaths a day now, but we are not. Also we are reporting virtually no flu deaths a day at the moment but on average of the 1,600 people that die every day we should have about 100-200 a day from flu. Dee and Mike, you seem to be reasonably articulate and intelligent people but I can’t help but note some very obvious flaws in this statement: “We can make no comparisons as there was virtually no testing“... isn't it obvious we can marry up very accurately as to where we are on the previous infection curve from hospital admissions. The chance of hospitalisation has remained the same throughout this pandemic meaning we can do this with a very good degree of accuracy. “If deaths followed the same pattern”... they obviously aren’t, we know that from the above and we understand entirely that is down to improved treatments/knowledge... the living/dying difference makes very little impact on the strain on the NHS though, if anything patients surviving increases the workloads involved and the time patients occupy precious space within hospitals. Flu deaths are down this year but to insinuate they are being recorded as covid deaths is ridiculous. There’s a lot of thought on the reasons for a lower rate this year based on climate, a wider use of masks and of course social distancing. Add to that flu vaccinations are up by around 175%... there is no hidden tally here, there’s been a massive NHS effort to minimise flu’s impact." It's so obvious it almost goes without saying. Yes flu stats are down. They're going to be, most people are wearing masks, most people are social distancing, flu jabs are up. When people throw the "flu stats are down" argument in, you just know they don't have a bloody clue. And you begin to grasp why the Covid situation isn't improving. I despair sometimes. E | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day" for the next 3 / 4 days many down south will be going on benders, drinking as much as they can swallow, then mixing and partying in the streets and you wonder why england is being locked down | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Only 4 cases at a major hospital near me so whats the fuss about ,hospitals never cope in the witer so its its nothing new ..use the florence nightingale hospitals for all covid and keep the normal ones free from covid, they were never used after al the fuss building them .." What's all the fuss about? Over 40,000 dead so far and the numbers climbing every day. Use the Nightingale hospitals you say? They're already being used. Trouble is, they take staff and resources away from other NHS commitments. Try and grasp the enormity of the situation, just for a moment and look beyond your ivory tower. E | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day for the next 3 / 4 days many down south will be going on benders, drinking as much as they can swallow, then mixing and partying in the streets and you wonder why england is being locked down" Yes, because everyone in the south is a raging alcoholic and everyone in the north is teetotal. The absolute bollocks that gets trotted out on the forums will make a good book one day. Trouble is, no-one will believe a word of it. "How can people be that stupid" they'll say..... E | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Only 4 cases at a major hospital near me so whats the fuss about ,hospitals never cope in the witer so its its nothing new ..use the florence nightingale hospitals for all covid and keep the normal ones free from covid, they were never used after al the fuss building them .." Stupid is defined by stupid talk and stupid action, that makes you "STUPID". When the Nightingales are full were do you surgest we send people then, maybe we get them to take a number and wait in the car park, if they survive long enough we will get them into a bed someone just died in, "can't I go to Clacton", "no because some fuckwit thinks their hospital is just for good illnesses, please die quietly somewhere else". ARE YOU REALLY THAT FUCKIN TWAT. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
| |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"Only 4 cases at a major hospital near me so whats the fuss about ,hospitals never cope in the witer so its its nothing new ..use the florence nightingale hospitals for all covid and keep the normal ones free from covid, they were never used after al the fuss building them .. Stupid is defined by stupid talk and stupid action, that makes you "STUPID". When the Nightingales are full were do you surgest we send people then, maybe we get them to take a number and wait in the car park, if they survive long enough we will get them into a bed someone just died in, "can't I go to Clacton", "no because some fuckwit thinks their hospital is just for good illnesses, please die quietly somewhere else". ARE YOU REALLY THAT FUCKIN TWAT." I love how people moan about all the money and effort spent on the Nightingale hospitals when they weren't used. Like, that's a bad thing. Some people really need to give their head a wobble. E | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |
"What and why are we locking down for Please don’t say killer the virus or slow it Or protect beds , surely we must of learn something, this is ground hog day for the next 3 / 4 days many down south will be going on benders, drinking as much as they can swallow, then mixing and partying in the streets and you wonder why england is being locked down" Quite right, do they really think the virus is going to stick to the rules and only allow it's self to be passed on after the dead line, that's why we need a lockdown, because PEOPLE are stupid and the VIRUS is clever, 14 days after their parties and after the dead line it will only be the Virus laughing. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) |