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"I know that kids don’t often die from this but they can pass it to teachers or other children in their schools who can then pass it on to their family. I don’t get why schools remain open. It may have been better to ensure that schools and all teachers were all equipped with IT equipment and train them in the past six months for them to deliver compulsory and quality lessons online this winter. I don’t think it’s fair for adults who work in schools to be more at risk than anybody else." Good | |||
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"The Unions want the schools shut. " I’m not surprised and I think they’re right. | |||
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"The Unions want the schools shut. " But many union members do not. Go and read the NEU Facebook posts about it. My teaching staff do not want to cease, I know that for a fact. We are UCU affiliated. | |||
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"Suck it and see, no body knows" Nobody knows what? | |||
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"A difficult one do we just abandon a generations education? " No, we don't. The people yelling for young people to be left at sea are the adults who already have their education in the bag. I can progress in my career now without ever doing another qualification. Its more about my experience. At the start of a career, it's more about quals. We need to keep young people in education or else there will be a bunch of ages who suffer disadvantage for life. The kids currently at primary school should (hopefully) be back to normal senior school by the time they're 14+, but those aged sort of 14/15 to 21 are going to lack knowledge and quals from GCSEs, A levels, BTEC, degrees, apprenticeships etc. | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. " Agreed only if parents who don’t send their children to school are fined. If teachers are key workers and are made to go to school, which I understand, children should also be all be made to school. It’ll be interesting to see if it’s the case. | |||
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"Wow It's not about schools Schools have just been closed for a week . There are so many gangs of kids on the streets during the holidays because there parents work Teachers are not MORE at risk than another member of the public ...we are all in danger of this virus " A huge number of teachers support schools staying open. I'm one of them and my entire teaching team are 14 others who agree. | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. Agreed only if parents who don’t send their children to school are fined. If teachers are key workers and are made to go to school, which I understand, children should also be all be made to school. It’ll be interesting to see if it’s the case." Well yes unless the child has a medical condition which makes them vulnerable of course, but that will apply to adults too. | |||
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"Shit timing from the English government Why not time it to have corresponded with October half term at least, like we have in Wales? " Exactly. That’s one week wasted. But hey, one fuck up more or one fuck up less doesn’t make a huge difference. | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. Agreed only if parents who don’t send their children to school are fined. If teachers are key workers and are made to go to school, which I understand, children should also be all be made to school. It’ll be interesting to see if it’s the case. Well yes unless the child has a medical condition which makes them vulnerable of course, but that will apply to adults too. " Agreed. Some teachers or non teaching staff also have underlying conditions in school. I wonder what is going to be deceived for them. | |||
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"Keep the schools open but close the Universities "Yes I tend to agree with this. I don’t know the exact figures but I believe the cases aren’t very high in primary school whereas they are in higher education. | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. Agreed only if parents who don’t send their children to school are fined. If teachers are key workers and are made to go to school, which I understand, children should also be all be made to school. It’ll be interesting to see if it’s the case. Well yes unless the child has a medical condition which makes them vulnerable of course, but that will apply to adults too. Agreed. Some teachers or non teaching staff also have underlying conditions in school. I wonder what is going to be deceived for them. " I would think and hope that they will shield like last time. | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school. "Unpaid leave? | |||
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"I work across 3 schools and implemented an IT audit across our pupils for devices and broadband access for virtual schooling. Out of 1200 kids we have about 100 who have no devices or broadband access. Closing schools disadvantages those 100 or so kids. That's not acceptable. It's not acceptable if it was only 1 pupil. " Do you teach or do you work in an office? | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school. "Sorry to hear that Lorna, but I imagine this will happen across the school system and the schools will adapt to less staff. | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school.
Unpaid leave?"Thankfully no but Ash is currently in London and I'm Southampton. I'm plotting a rescue plan as we speak.  | |||
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"Keep the schools open but close the Universities
Yes I tend to agree with this. I don’t know the exact figures but I believe the cases aren’t very high in primary school whereas they are in higher education. "Unis are already almost 100% online. My son (practical course) has 1 F2F class once a fortnight only, massively socially distanced, masks etc. The only in person teaching happening is infrequent stuff in labs, medical/dental/nursing (all of which are frankly essential if we are to continue staffing the NHS) plus some other practical subjects. Humanities subjects are online only already. | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school.
Sorry to hear that Lorna, but I imagine this will happen across the school system and the schools will adapt to less staff. "I was expecting it but 13 out of 89 staff are in the same boat. | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school.
Unpaid leave?
Thankfully no but Ash is currently in London and I'm Southampton. I'm plotting a rescue plan as we speak. "Oh no! You should have a few days! Get your skates on! X | |||
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"Keep the schools open but close the Universities
Yes I tend to agree with this. I don’t know the exact figures but I believe the cases aren’t very high in primary school whereas they are in higher education.
Unis are already almost 100% online. My son (practical course) has 1 F2F class once a fortnight only, massively socially distanced, masks etc. The only in person teaching happening is infrequent stuff in labs, medical/dental/nursing (all of which are frankly essential if we are to continue staffing the NHS) plus some other practical subjects. Humanities subjects are online only already."Ah I see. Didn’t realise that. | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school.
Unpaid leave?
Thankfully no but Ash is currently in London and I'm Southampton. I'm plotting a rescue plan as we speak. "The rumour is Thursday, so you’ve got time to get to either or location | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school.
Unpaid leave?
Thankfully no but Ash is currently in London and I'm Southampton. I'm plotting a rescue plan as we speak.
The rumour is Thursday, so you’ve got time to get to either or location "Looks like it’s been put back to 6pm now! Been waiting to get in the bath since 4! Bloody Boris! | |||
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"Wow It's not about schools Schools have just been closed for a week . There are so many gangs of kids on the streets during the holidays because there parents work Teachers are not MORE at risk than another member of the public ...we are all in danger of this virus " However the rest of the public work in covid safe environments with masks and social distancing - teachers do not. School imo should be one week on one week off so less kids and the ability for social distancing. Teachers will die ...... the unions are starting to put action into place this evening. A strike wouldn’t surprise me | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school.
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Thankfully no but Ash is currently in London and I'm Southampton. I'm plotting a rescue plan as we speak.
The rumour is Thursday, so you’ve got time to get to either or location "We have a plan and he is going to come here because it's safer and easier for us to isolate here. | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school. "Wow that’s great!!! I truly hope all schools follow suit. Not sure how schools will run with approx 39% off as was the figure in CV and CEV groups last time. | |||
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"Wow It's not about schools Schools have just been closed for a week . There are so many gangs of kids on the streets during the holidays because there parents work Teachers are not MORE at risk than another member of the public ...we are all in danger of this virus " I think you will find that bus drivers and supermarket shop floor staff are at a higher rake of danger. | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school.
Wow that’s great!!! I truly hope all schools follow suit. Not sure how schools will run with approx 39% off as was the figure in CV and CEV groups last time. "They did last time but then we only had key workers children. Its going to be a struggle but I'm sure I can and will do some work from home to help out. X | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school.
Unpaid leave?
Thankfully no but Ash is currently in London and I'm Southampton. I'm plotting a rescue plan as we speak.
The rumour is Thursday, so you’ve got time to get to either or location
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"Keep the schools open but close the Universities
Yes I tend to agree with this. I don’t know the exact figures but I believe the cases aren’t very high in primary school whereas they are in higher education.
Unis are already almost 100% online. My son (practical course) has 1 F2F class once a fortnight only, massively socially distanced, masks etc. The only in person teaching happening is infrequent stuff in labs, medical/dental/nursing (all of which are frankly essential if we are to continue staffing the NHS) plus some other practical subjects. Humanities subjects are online only already.
Ah I see. Didn’t realise that. "The poor students were told to move to campus, then as predicted, Vivid broke out, but now they're stuck because they're not supposed to travel home but only studying online which can be done anywhere. If they're sent home now, landlords will not allow students to cancel accommodation contracts and increasingly first year halls are privately owned and it's usual for 2nd years and above to rent houses/flats privately. They're stuck over a barrel. | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school.
Wow that’s great!!! I truly hope all schools follow suit. Not sure how schools will run with approx 39% off as was the figure in CV and CEV groups last time.
They did last time but then we only had key workers children.
Its going to be a struggle but I'm sure I can and will do some work from home to help out. X"Yes last time it was about 8% of primary kids were in so they could cope not sure how that will translate this time .... 60% capacity with 100% attendance just doesn’t work. | |||
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"I agree, we have no idea how much Covid is being transmitted by school kids as there has been no testing to find out. If we are going to lockdown let's do it properly. " It is absolutely ridiculous that the government has not allocated testing resources to schools. Keep the schools open but let’s be testing a random 10% sample from each year group bubble - then we can all be much more confident about the relative safety of keeping schools open both for the pupils and teachers and for the children’s parents.... | |||
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"I've just had an email telling me that because I am considered vulnerable I am now on leave until further notice and I work in a school.
Wow that’s great!!! I truly hope all schools follow suit. Not sure how schools will run with approx 39% off as was the figure in CV and CEV groups last time.
They did last time but then we only had key workers children.
Its going to be a struggle but I'm sure I can and will do some work from home to help out. X
Yes last time it was about 8% of primary kids were in so they could cope not sure how that will translate this time .... 60% capacity with 100% attendance just doesn’t work. "Theres going to be a zoom on line staff meeting early Monday morning so we will know exactly what's happening then. | |||
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"Schools should stay open Unis should close. Further, if parents start getting 'antzy' about pulling their kids out of school that's fair enough .. let them! On condition, they agree to supervise and be accountable for their children's education at home . Let us be honest a lot of parents are now going to be at home again so if they withdraw their kids from school have no excuse for not acting responsibly enough about their education . If you both have to work then you can not expect to pull your kids out of school can you ? Unis should close because young people sem to not give a damn about the pandemic! and because 18+ should be mature enough to take responsibility for home learning . " I completely disagree. If schools are deemed to be safe for teachers, they are safe for the kids. Schools are not Mc Donald’s restaurants. You keep them open, ok, I understand but they are open for everyone. I bet you some parents will keep their little princes at home and demand that teachers send them work. | |||
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"I agree, we have no idea how much Covid is being transmitted by school kids as there has been no testing to find out. If we are going to lockdown let's do it properly. It is absolutely ridiculous that the government has not allocated testing resources to schools. Keep the schools open but let’s be testing a random 10% sample from each year group bubble - then we can all be much more confident about the relative safety of keeping schools open both for the pupils and teachers and for the children’s parents...." schools do have access to testing if needed. It's just not been made public knowledge | |||
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"I work across 3 schools and implemented an IT audit across our pupils for devices and broadband access for virtual schooling. Out of 1200 kids we have about 100 who have no devices or broadband access. Closing schools disadvantages those 100 or so kids. That's not acceptable. It's not acceptable if it was only 1 pupil. Do you teach or do you work in an office? " I don't understand what difference it makes to my point with where I work. | |||
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"If they are in School they are at least in a structured environment ,and kept in bubbles ,schools are cleaned ie touch points etc ,but no schools mean they are out in groups mixing and in some cases causing mayhem ....my opinion as i work in Education .." I assume you mean as in teens, I don't see many groups of primary kids out mixing or causing trouble | |||
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"If they are in School they are at least in a structured environment ,and kept in bubbles ,schools are cleaned ie touch points etc ,but no schools mean they are out in groups mixing and in some cases causing mayhem ....my opinion as i work in Education .." They are in bubbles at school but as soon as they’re out, they’re not anymore. They catch school buses with pupils from other years so that’s the end of the bubbles. They have siblings attending the same school so in a different bubble but they live under the same roof at home. As for schools being clean, well if you think that every door handle or keyboard is cleaned as soon as somebody has finished using it, this is impossible. I think that schools try to be as clean as possible but not virus free. | |||
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"Schools should stay open Unis should close. Further, if parents start getting 'antzy' about pulling their kids out of school that's fair enough .. let them! On condition, they agree to supervise and be accountable for their children's education at home . Let us be honest a lot of parents are now going to be at home again so if they withdraw their kids from school have no excuse for not acting responsibly enough about their education . If you both have to work then you can not expect to pull your kids out of school can you ? Unis should close because young people sem to not give a damn about the pandemic! and because 18+ should be mature enough to take responsibility for home learning . I completely disagree. If schools are deemed to be safe for teachers, they are safe for the kids. Schools are not Mc Donald’s restaurants. You keep them open, ok, I understand but they are open for everyone. I bet you some parents will keep their little princes at home and demand that teachers send them work. " Umm .. not sure if you read my post ? | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here" Positive cases rose as more people were going to get tests. I work across 3 primary schools and we have had minimal positive outcomes to tests. We haven't gone untouched but we've controlled what effect it is having. Less than 10% of pupils losing any attendance during last half term | |||
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"Do kids have to wear masks in school?" Secondary pupils do I believe, but not under 11s | |||
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"Do kids have to wear masks in school?" Primary no Secondary in communal areas like corridors but not in class Teachers in primary are banned from wearing masks | |||
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"If they are in School they are at least in a structured environment ,and kept in bubbles ,schools are cleaned ie touch points etc ,but no schools mean they are out in groups mixing and in some cases causing mayhem ....my opinion as i work in Education .." I don’t think bubbles are working - in secondary there are 300 plus in each bubble. Primary isn’t so bad but there are no masks In primary and no social distancing - the smaller the children the more they leak too. | |||
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"Do kids have to wear masks in school? Secondary pupils do I believe, but not under 11s" No they don’t wear them in secondary schools unless they want to. Not certain about how much a difference masks make to be honest. They are compulsory in France for example including in schools and cases go up and up. | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Positive cases rose as more people were going to get tests. I work across 3 primary schools and we have had minimal positive outcomes to tests. We haven't gone untouched but we've controlled what effect it is having. Less than 10% of pupils losing any attendance during last half term" To my knowledge we didn't have any cases at our school but a few in the local area did close due to positive cases. The increased testing was also bound to show higher case numbers too, I'm not saying it is totally down to schools that numbers have rose but they are a factor. | |||
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"Do kids have to wear masks in school?" Ours do in corridors/communal areas, optional for staff and students in the classroom. Our classrooms are socially distanced (FE). | |||
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"Do kids have to wear masks in school? Primary no Secondary in communal areas like corridors but not in class Teachers in primary are banned from wearing masks " We're not banned from wearing them as I'm aware of but it was advised not to so as not to scare kids. But we have close 1 to 1 workers who have been wearing clear close fitting visors to be able to still support vulnerable pupils | |||
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"Do kids have to wear masks in school? Primary no Secondary in communal areas like corridors but not in class Teachers in primary are banned from wearing masks " Primary teachers aren't banned from wearing masks... Our teachers wear them although we only see the teachers at drop off & collection so I couldn't say if they wear them in the classroom | |||
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"Do kids have to wear masks in school? Ours do in corridors/communal areas, optional for staff and students in the classroom. Our classrooms are socially distanced (FE)." Same at ours... mask on from entrance until sat at desk; on again to go for lunch and removed to eat only. The kids don’t move classes, the teachers do; the exception being for science / art / PE | |||
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"Suck it and see, no body knows Nobody knows what? " Emmm .. Nobody knows the effects of keeping the schools open ... | |||
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"Do kids have to wear masks in school? Ours do in corridors/communal areas, optional for staff and students in the classroom. Our classrooms are socially distanced (FE). Same at ours... mask on from entrance until sat at desk; on again to go for lunch and removed to eat only. The kids don’t move classes, the teachers do; the exception being for science / art / PE" Same. Our students now have a home room and they stay there for all lessons, teacher moves and has to stand within a yellow marked out box that maintains social distancing from the desks. They dismiss students nearest the door first etc to stop students walking in front of each other. College issued a pack of resuseble masks, wireless keyboard and SMART board pens per staff member so there's no shared teaching aids. No paper - everything done on laptops. Some lessons are online, like pastoral tutorials. | |||
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"It's right that schools should be kept open. Teachers should carry on working like so many other key workers have to." Teachers never stopped working before! Schools didn't close! | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here" Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them | |||
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"It's right that schools should be kept open. Teachers should carry on working like so many other key workers have to. Teachers never stopped working before! Schools didn't close!" Ok. Yes. I should of said then that all schools should fully stay open. Im sure you knew what I meant In my original post though. | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. " Absolutely this. My office will continue to be open and my colleagues and I will be expected to come to work regardless of any lockdown. | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. Absolutely this. My office will continue to be open and my colleagues and I will be expected to come to work regardless of any lockdown. " Are you socially distanced? Do you wear masks? | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. Absolutely this. My office will continue to be open and my colleagues and I will be expected to come to work regardless of any lockdown. " Again, schools didn't close last time. Teachers still had to go into work for key worker and vulnerable children or they taught from home!!!! | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. Absolutely this. My office will continue to be open and my colleagues and I will be expected to come to work regardless of any lockdown. " Do you have 1500 people in a fairly small area? Are you with 30 people within 50m2? | |||
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"It's right that schools should be kept open. Teachers should carry on working like so many other key workers have to." This is excruciatingly naive ... other sectors have to be covid safe. Masks/ plastic screens/ social distancing/ Staff rota to lesson the number of people. Teachers are at close proximity to 30 (or 300) children with no protection. You cannot compare if masks and social distancing were allowed then of course but they’re not. | |||
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"I don't think a month off school will ruin a child's life it's called catch up and plenty of other ways to learn how would any child feel knowing that they have passed it on to there parents and God forbid anything happend to that parent " You forgot the bit where they had to try and study from home March to September, GCSEs and A levels were cancelled and uni applications turned into a farce. It's already irretrievable for many young people who won't have chance to catch up if they are to also move forward. | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. Absolutely this. My office will continue to be open and my colleagues and I will be expected to come to work regardless of any lockdown. Again, schools didn't close last time. Teachers still had to go into work for key worker and vulnerable children or they taught from home!!!!" We hear you!!!! | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them "I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not. Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures. I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home  | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home "That is actually what some of the unions are calling for. | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home "How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day? | |||
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"I work across 3 schools and implemented an IT audit across our pupils for devices and broadband access for virtual schooling. Out of 1200 kids we have about 100 who have no devices or broadband access. Closing schools disadvantages those 100 or so kids. That's not acceptable. It's not acceptable if it was only 1 pupil. " Hi... would it be 'do able' for the kids who havent got broadband or IT equipment to go to school. The others stay at home. Just asking | |||
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"I work across 3 schools and implemented an IT audit across our pupils for devices and broadband access for virtual schooling. Out of 1200 kids we have about 100 who have no devices or broadband access. Closing schools disadvantages those 100 or so kids. That's not acceptable. It's not acceptable if it was only 1 pupil. Hi... would it be 'do able' for the kids who havent got broadband or IT equipment to go to school. The others stay at home. Just asking " Scenario you have four kids - do you have four laptops? The IT issue is a can of worms most houses wouldn’t be able to facilitate the tech required so where do you draw the line? The government promised tech last term and that hasn’t been forthcoming. | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. Absolutely this. My office will continue to be open and my colleagues and I will be expected to come to work regardless of any lockdown. Again, schools didn't close last time. Teachers still had to go into work for key worker and vulnerable children or they taught from home!!!! We hear you!!!! "Good! If you think teachers got an easy ride last time then you're massively mistaken. | |||
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"I work across 3 schools and implemented an IT audit across our pupils for devices and broadband access for virtual schooling. Out of 1200 kids we have about 100 who have no devices or broadband access. Closing schools disadvantages those 100 or so kids. That's not acceptable. It's not acceptable if it was only 1 pupil. Hi... would it be 'do able' for the kids who havent got broadband or IT equipment to go to school. The others stay at home. Just asking " Schools know exactly who the children are but don't have access to broadband and IT equipment and provision will be put in place. We have 609 children and 27 without access to the Internet at home and staff where delivering work directly to them and doing telephone "lessons" and support with those children. | |||
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"I don't think a month off school will ruin a child's life it's called catch up and plenty of other ways to learn how would any child feel knowing that they have passed it on to there parents and God forbid anything happend to that parent You forgot the bit where they had to try and study from home March to September, GCSEs and A levels were cancelled and uni applications turned into a farce. It's already irretrievable for many young people who won't have chance to catch up if they are to also move forward." understand that completely but surely a future with your parent is worth a bit of sacrifice than without a parent it's reality children pass it on and it's a killer nobody wants any child to loose out on there education but we need to get this under control  | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day? "Isn't that what they have been doing since September? | |||
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"It's right that schools should be kept open. Teachers should carry on working like so many other key workers have to. This is excruciatingly naive ... other sectors have to be covid safe. Masks/ plastic screens/ social distancing/ Staff rota to lesson the number of people. Teachers are at close proximity to 30 (or 300) children with no protection. You cannot compare if masks and social distancing were allowed then of course but they’re not. " That’s excruciatingly naive to believe that other sectors are COVID safe. | |||
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"It's right that schools should be kept open. Teachers should carry on working like so many other key workers have to. This is excruciatingly naive ... other sectors have to be covid safe. Masks/ plastic screens/ social distancing/ Staff rota to lesson the number of people. Teachers are at close proximity to 30 (or 300) children with no protection. You cannot compare if masks and social distancing were allowed then of course but they’re not. That’s excruciatingly naive to believe that other sectors are COVID safe." Then employers should be reported and fined ... two wrongs and all that - this is why we are having another lockdown | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day?
Isn't that what they have been doing since September?"Yes but infection rates are soaring ... what was safe in September is no longer safe. | |||
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"I don't think a month off school will ruin a child's life it's called catch up and plenty of other ways to learn how would any child feel knowing that they have passed it on to there parents and God forbid anything happend to that parent You forgot the bit where they had to try and study from home March to September, GCSEs and A levels were cancelled and uni applications turned into a farce. It's already irretrievable for many young people who won't have chance to catch up if they are to also move forward. understand that completely but surely a future with your parent is worth a bit of sacrifice than without a parent it's reality children pass it on and it's a killer nobody wants any child to loose out on there education but we need to get this under control "The parents already have their qualifications and careers. Even if their job has to change, most adults can get away without doing any more quals. We can't write off a whole raft of young people for the future. Employers in five years time will not be making exceptions for the poor sods who couldn't finish their degree or complete their A levels. Sad but true - memories will be short for those running the economy but the impact will linger for the young people. | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care. "Couldn’t agree with this more | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day?
Isn't that what they have been doing since September?
Yes but infection rates are soaring ... what was safe in September is no longer safe. "Honestly I don't think it was really safe back in September, but they opened anyway. Like I said I am on the fence as it's really tough to say what is for the best or not right now. Are you a teacher or school staff? I'd be interested to hear your view. | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day?
Isn't that what they have been doing since September?
Yes but infection rates are soaring ... what was safe in September is no longer safe.
Honestly I don't think it was really safe back in September, but they opened anyway. Like I said I am on the fence as it's really tough to say what is for the best or not right now.
Are you a teacher or school staff? I'd be interested to hear your view. "Teacher - primary | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care. " | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care.
Couldn’t agree with this more "I concur, im just upset that I can't look after my pupils.
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care. " | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care. "In my school CV and CEV teachers all in. No masks no socially distance, no staggered times and if your child self isolates no pay. What precautions have your school put in place to make you feel protected? | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day?
Isn't that what they have been doing since September?
Yes but infection rates are soaring ... what was safe in September is no longer safe.
Honestly I don't think it was really safe back in September, but they opened anyway. Like I said I am on the fence as it's really tough to say what is for the best or not right now.
Are you a teacher or school staff? I'd be interested to hear your view.
Teacher - primary "What do you think would be the best solution? What has your experience been since sept? | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care.
I’m a teacher and care more about bringing a virus home to my elderly mother and being a mum to my young children than a job that totally undervalues me and a public that thinks we are lazy b*stards. "I haven't got the clapping hands emoji but if I did then you would get 10! | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care.
I’m a teacher and care more about bringing a virus home to my elderly mother and being a mum to my young children than a job that totally undervalues me and a public that thinks we are lazy b*stards. "I concur with this too. X | |||
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"I don't think a month off school will ruin a child's life it's called catch up and plenty of other ways to learn how would any child feel knowing that they have passed it on to there parents and God forbid anything happend to that parent " I think it would be good to think of this as not ' a month off' its a month of not being in School there is a difference ! Parents need to step up and make sure their kids learn during lockdown and dont sit playing games all day .. | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care.
I’m a teacher and care more about bringing a virus home to my elderly mother and being a mum to my young children than a job that totally undervalues me and a public that thinks we are lazy b*stards. "I’m so glad that all the doctors and nurses didn’t think like that. And I have so much respect for them because I’m not sure how I’d feel. | |||
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"It's right that schools should be kept open. Teachers should carry on working like so many other key workers have to. This is excruciatingly naive ... other sectors have to be covid safe. Masks/ plastic screens/ social distancing/ Staff rota to lesson the number of people. Teachers are at close proximity to 30 (or 300) children with no protection. You cannot compare if masks and social distancing were allowed then of course but they’re not. That’s excruciatingly naive to believe that other sectors are COVID safe. Then employers should be reported and fined ... two wrongs and all that - this is why we are having another lockdown " My work has never shut and nobody has caught the virus yet. We are so busy at work due to the pandemic that they are employing more staff yet we haven’t got the space to social distance the 2 metres. Closing is not an option. | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day?
Isn't that what they have been doing since September?
Yes but infection rates are soaring ... what was safe in September is no longer safe.
Honestly I don't think it was really safe back in September, but they opened anyway. Like I said I am on the fence as it's really tough to say what is for the best or not right now.
Are you a teacher or school staff? I'd be interested to hear your view.
Teacher - primary
What do you think would be the best solution? What has your experience been since sept? "Blended learning 15 per class so socially distancing is possible, masks and visors for teachers. One week on one week off with projects set for the week they are home. Teachers tested weekly clinically vulnerable staff given the option to work remotely supporting the home based children with project work. | |||
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"It's right that schools should be kept open. Teachers should carry on working like so many other key workers have to. This is excruciatingly naive ... other sectors have to be covid safe. Masks/ plastic screens/ social distancing/ Staff rota to lesson the number of people. Teachers are at close proximity to 30 (or 300) children with no protection. You cannot compare if masks and social distancing were allowed then of course but they’re not. That’s excruciatingly naive to believe that other sectors are COVID safe. Then employers should be reported and fined ... two wrongs and all that - this is why we are having another lockdown My work has never shut and nobody has caught the virus yet. We are so busy at work due to the pandemic that they are employing more staff yet we haven’t got the space to social distance the 2 metres. Closing is not an option. " Then you’re playing with yours and others lives ..... this is illegal working practice | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care.
I’m a teacher and care more about bringing a virus home to my elderly mother and being a mum to my young children than a job that totally undervalues me and a public that thinks we are lazy b*stards.
I’m so glad that all the doctors and nurses didn’t think like that. And I have so much respect for them because I’m not sure how I’d feel. "m Doctors and nurses had PPE - admittedly not enough and look how many died - I wouldn’t be a doctor for all the money in the world. But I’m not a doctor I’m not trained in infection control or infectious environments I’m a teacher I’m trained to teach. | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day?
Isn't that what they have been doing since September?
Yes but infection rates are soaring ... what was safe in September is no longer safe.
Honestly I don't think it was really safe back in September, but they opened anyway. Like I said I am on the fence as it's really tough to say what is for the best or not right now.
Are you a teacher or school staff? I'd be interested to hear your view.
Teacher - primary
What do you think would be the best solution? What has your experience been since sept?
Blended learning 15 per class so socially distancing is possible, masks and visors for teachers. One week on one week off with projects set for the week they are home. Teachers tested weekly clinically vulnerable staff given the option to work remotely supporting the home based children with project work. " sensible. Unfortunately I don't see it going that way. But I'm not a teacher so you will know more about any likelihood of it happening. | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day?
Isn't that what they have been doing since September?
Yes but infection rates are soaring ... what was safe in September is no longer safe.
Honestly I don't think it was really safe back in September, but they opened anyway. Like I said I am on the fence as it's really tough to say what is for the best or not right now.
Are you a teacher or school staff? I'd be interested to hear your view.
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What do you think would be the best solution? What has your experience been since sept?
Blended learning 15 per class so socially distancing is possible, masks and visors for teachers. One week on one week off with projects set for the week they are home. Teachers tested weekly clinically vulnerable staff given the option to work remotely supporting the home based children with project work.
sensible. Unfortunately I don't see it going that way. But I'm not a teacher so you will know more about any likelihood of it happening. "It won’t happen... schools will remain open then on December 2nd infections won’t have gone down so Boris wil relent and close schools and Christmas will be locked down. All so unnecessary. | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day?
Isn't that what they have been doing since September?
Yes but infection rates are soaring ... what was safe in September is no longer safe.
Honestly I don't think it was really safe back in September, but they opened anyway. Like I said I am on the fence as it's really tough to say what is for the best or not right now.
Are you a teacher or school staff? I'd be interested to hear your view.
Teacher - primary
What do you think would be the best solution? What has your experience been since sept?
Blended learning 15 per class so socially distancing is possible, masks and visors for teachers. One week on one week off with projects set for the week they are home. Teachers tested weekly clinically vulnerable staff given the option to work remotely supporting the home based children with project work.
sensible. Unfortunately I don't see it going that way. But I'm not a teacher so you will know more about any likelihood of it happening.
It won’t happen... schools will remain open then on December 2nd infections won’t have gone down so Boris wil relent and close schools and Christmas will be locked down. All so unnecessary. "It looks that way doesn't it | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day?
Isn't that what they have been doing since September?
Yes but infection rates are soaring ... what was safe in September is no longer safe.
Honestly I don't think it was really safe back in September, but they opened anyway. Like I said I am on the fence as it's really tough to say what is for the best or not right now.
Are you a teacher or school staff? I'd be interested to hear your view.
Teacher - primary
What do you think would be the best solution? What has your experience been since sept?
Blended learning 15 per class so socially distancing is possible, masks and visors for teachers. One week on one week off with projects set for the week they are home. Teachers tested weekly clinically vulnerable staff given the option to work remotely supporting the home based children with project work.
sensible. Unfortunately I don't see it going that way. But I'm not a teacher so you will know more about any likelihood of it happening.
It won’t happen... schools will remain open then on December 2nd infections won’t have gone down so Boris wil relent and close schools and Christmas will be locked down. All so unnecessary.
It looks that way doesn't it "For me absolutely schools should be open for all the reasons stated above. For the infection rate to fall they will have to close so it’s not if it’s when. I would prefer close now for four weeks (had it happened last week it would have been three as it was half term) and then businesses would not suffer as it would be four weeks and done. This will likely mean close all but schools first then when that doesn’t work close schools and all for a further two weeks. | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care. " | |||
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" It won’t happen... schools will remain open then on December 2nd infections won’t have gone down so Boris wil relent and close schools and Christmas will be locked down. All so unnecessary. " Why don’t you think numbers will reduce just because schools are open ? As at last official figures 16% of primary schools and 45% of secondary schools had to sent one child or more home to isolate, approx 400,000 children and 5% of the total school children. This is not confirmed 5% cases just isolation numbers. Unfortunately the way they group the she’s does not clearly give us an indication of where the cases are as to much cross mix over the schools. If they could split them differently we might get a better idea: 0-4 predominantly home / childcare / nurseries / reception 5-10 primary schools 11-16 secondary schools 17-19 colleges / sixth form 20-24 university There are even crossovers in the above depending on when a child’s birthday falls. This might at least give a clearer picture of where any spikes are. In our area (2 square miles) we have two secondary schools and 7 primary schools. We have had no cases in primary school and one case each in the secondary schools. The case in our school was caught by the child from the parent and no other children in the year had positive tests. So it does miff me a little that the kids get the blame for increase in numbers. | |||
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" It won’t happen... schools will remain open then on December 2nd infections won’t have gone down so Boris wil relent and close schools and Christmas will be locked down. All so unnecessary. Why don’t you think numbers will reduce just because schools are open ? As at last official figures 16% of primary schools and 45% of secondary schools had to sent one child or more home to isolate, approx 400,000 children and 5% of the total school children. This is not confirmed 5% cases just isolation numbers. Unfortunately the way they group the she’s does not clearly give us an indication of where the cases are as to much cross mix over the schools. If they could split them differently we might get a better idea: 0-4 predominantly home / childcare / nurseries / reception 5-10 primary schools 11-16 secondary schools 17-19 colleges / sixth form 20-24 university There are even crossovers in the above depending on when a child’s birthday falls. This might at least give a clearer picture of where any spikes are. In our area (2 square miles) we have two secondary schools and 7 primary schools. We have had no cases in primary school and one case each in the secondary schools. The case in our school was caught by the child from the parent and no other children in the year had positive tests. So it does miff me a little that the kids get the blame for increase in numbers. " I’ll pm you the data In photo form | |||
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"Im on the fence with this, if this virus is so bad then schools should be closed, it is clear to everyone that cases have rose since they reopened. But then kids need not just the education but also the social side of learning & being with their piers far more than adults do. It's quite a tough one to know what to do for the best here Same. I'd be happy with the one week in, one week off idea. My kids are at a school of 1300 pupils. Yes, they're in bubbles, yes masks are mandatory but they've had around 12 cases since going back in September. And the school has put absolutely everything in place and has done quite well re cases in other schools in the area. If they close completely I know my kids will go into meltdown. The future is bleak enough for them with out having to face it with inadequate education behind them
I've not heard the week on & off idea, I don't know if I'd support that, it's a bit too much like limbo for the kids, I think they are either there or not.
Preferably there mind, if we take every other factor out of it & look at the point from a child the benefits of being there will outweigh the possibility of closures.
I will still send mine it would be me that melts down if my youngest stays home
How about the welfare of the staff? Would you be happy coming into close contact with hundreds of children every day?
Isn't that what they have been doing since September?
Yes but infection rates are soaring ... what was safe in September is no longer safe.
Honestly I don't think it was really safe back in September, but they opened anyway. Like I said I am on the fence as it's really tough to say what is for the best or not right now.
Are you a teacher or school staff? I'd be interested to hear your view.
Teacher - primary
What do you think would be the best solution? What has your experience been since sept?
Blended learning 15 per class so socially distancing is possible, masks and visors for teachers. One week on one week off with projects set for the week they are home. Teachers tested weekly clinically vulnerable staff given the option to work remotely supporting the home based children with project work.
sensible. Unfortunately I don't see it going that way. But I'm not a teacher so you will know more about any likelihood of it happening.
It won’t happen... schools will remain open then on December 2nd infections won’t have gone down so Boris wil relent and close schools and Christmas will be locked down. All so unnecessary.
It looks that way doesn't it
For me absolutely schools should be open for all the reasons stated above. For the infection rate to fall they will have to close so it’s not if it’s when. I would prefer close now for four weeks (had it happened last week it would have been three as it was half term) and then businesses would not suffer as it would be four weeks and done. This will likely mean close all but schools first then when that doesn’t work close schools and all for a further two weeks. "We have had 2 weeks off for half term & i agree it would have made sense for lockdown to coincide with this. Not much about any of this seems to make much sense tho. Well it possibly does to everyone but the 'decision makers' | |||
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" It won’t happen... schools will remain open then on December 2nd infections won’t have gone down so Boris wil relent and close schools and Christmas will be locked down. All so unnecessary. Why don’t you think numbers will reduce just because schools are open ? As at last official figures 16% of primary schools and 45% of secondary schools had to sent one child or more home to isolate, approx 400,000 children and 5% of the total school children. This is not confirmed 5% cases just isolation numbers. Unfortunately the way they group the she’s does not clearly give us an indication of where the cases are as to much cross mix over the schools. If they could split them differently we might get a better idea: 0-4 predominantly home / childcare / nurseries / reception 5-10 primary schools 11-16 secondary schools 17-19 colleges / sixth form 20-24 university There are even crossovers in the above depending on when a child’s birthday falls. This might at least give a clearer picture of where any spikes are. In our area (2 square miles) we have two secondary schools and 7 primary schools. We have had no cases in primary school and one case each in the secondary schools. The case in our school was caught by the child from the parent and no other children in the year had positive tests. So it does miff me a little that the kids get the blame for increase in numbers. I’ll pm you the data In photo form " Thanks | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care.
Couldn’t agree with this more
I concur, im just upset that I can't look after my pupils.
Its very frustrating. "I'm sure you could do remote support from home, Lorna! Our Welfare staff have been supporting students across the globe since March. It's actually very easy. | |||
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" It won’t happen... schools will remain open then on December 2nd infections won’t have gone down so Boris wil relent and close schools and Christmas will be locked down. All so unnecessary. Why don’t you think numbers will reduce just because schools are open ? As at last official figures 16% of primary schools and 45% of secondary schools had to sent one child or more home to isolate, approx 400,000 children and 5% of the total school children. This is not confirmed 5% cases just isolation numbers. Unfortunately the way they group the she’s does not clearly give us an indication of where the cases are as to much cross mix over the schools. If they could split them differently we might get a better idea: 0-4 predominantly home / childcare / nurseries / reception 5-10 primary schools 11-16 secondary schools 17-19 colleges / sixth form 20-24 university There are even crossovers in the above depending on when a child’s birthday falls. This might at least give a clearer picture of where any spikes are. In our area (2 square miles) we have two secondary schools and 7 primary schools. We have had no cases in primary school and one case each in the secondary schools. The case in our school was caught by the child from the parent and no other children in the year had positive tests. So it does miff me a little that the kids get the blame for increase in numbers. "
Our numbers are displayed into age groups over here and I'm afraid to say that 20-39 and 40- 59 are the highest groups getting it. They definitely not school age | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care.
Couldn’t agree with this more
I concur, im just upset that I can't look after my pupils.
Its very frustrating.
I'm sure you could do remote support from home, Lorna! Our Welfare staff have been supporting students across the globe since March. It's actually very easy."Vulnerable teachers are required to work in schools, in England. And the processes in place are really difficult and are giving teachers and leaders more stress than ever felt before. This is because the Government have no idea how schools run and so constantly put out "advice" which is impossible, doesn't work, contradictory or just plain unhelpful. | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care.
Couldn’t agree with this more
I concur, im just upset that I can't look after my pupils.
Its very frustrating.
I'm sure you could do remote support from home, Lorna! Our Welfare staff have been supporting students across the globe since March. It's actually very easy.
Vulnerable teachers are required to work in schools, in England. And the processes in place are really difficult and are giving teachers and leaders more stress than ever felt before. This is because the Government have no idea how schools run and so constantly put out "advice" which is impossible, doesn't work, contradictory or just plain unhelpful. "What's the resolution | |||
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" It won’t happen... schools will remain open then on December 2nd infections won’t have gone down so Boris wil relent and close schools and Christmas will be locked down. All so unnecessary. Why don’t you think numbers will reduce just because schools are open ? As at last official figures 16% of primary schools and 45% of secondary schools had to sent one child or more home to isolate, approx 400,000 children and 5% of the total school children. This is not confirmed 5% cases just isolation numbers. Unfortunately the way they group the she’s does not clearly give us an indication of where the cases are as to much cross mix over the schools. If they could split them differently we might get a better idea: 0-4 predominantly home / childcare / nurseries / reception 5-10 primary schools 11-16 secondary schools 17-19 colleges / sixth form 20-24 university There are even crossovers in the above depending on when a child’s birthday falls. This might at least give a clearer picture of where any spikes are. In our area (2 square miles) we have two secondary schools and 7 primary schools. We have had no cases in primary school and one case each in the secondary schools. The case in our school was caught by the child from the parent and no other children in the year had positive tests. So it does miff me a little that the kids get the blame for increase in numbers.
Our numbers are displayed into age groups over here and I'm afraid to say that 20-39 and 40- 59 are the highest groups getting it. They definitely not school age "This is further broken down as to be parents ages further supporting the fact that children can be asymptomatic. I read a report that broke the infections in these age groups down to ‘have school age kids in house and don’t... it was seriously skewed to households with school age kids in. I need to find that report ... | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care.
Couldn’t agree with this more
I concur, im just upset that I can't look after my pupils.
Its very frustrating.
I'm sure you could do remote support from home, Lorna! Our Welfare staff have been supporting students across the globe since March. It's actually very easy.
Vulnerable teachers are required to work in schools, in England. And the processes in place are really difficult and are giving teachers and leaders more stress than ever felt before. This is because the Government have no idea how schools run and so constantly put out "advice" which is impossible, doesn't work, contradictory or just plain unhelpful.
What's the resolution "We can prioritise which children should be in school when, and how to support remote learning. Year groups could be on a rota system to minimise mixing and we need to sort out whether exams are taking place as usual or what this "coursework" might be and when it needs to be in for. | |||
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"I work across 3 schools and implemented an IT audit across our pupils for devices and broadband access for virtual schooling. Out of 1200 kids we have about 100 who have no devices or broadband access. Closing schools disadvantages those 100 or so kids. That's not acceptable. It's not acceptable if it was only 1 pupil. Hi... would it be 'do able' for the kids who havent got broadband or IT equipment to go to school. The others stay at home. Just asking Scenario you have four kids - do you have four laptops? The IT issue is a can of worms most houses wouldn’t be able to facilitate the tech required so where do you draw the line? The government promised tech last term and that hasn’t been forthcoming. " Thanks | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. " Except no social distancing or masks. I was caught in a corridor crush of 275 kids last week. We need some thought x | |||
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"I know that kids don’t often die from this but they can pass it to teachers or other children in their schools who can then pass it on to their family. I don’t get why schools remain open. It may have been better to ensure that schools and all teachers were all equipped with IT equipment and train them in the past six months for them to deliver compulsory and quality lessons online this winter. I don’t think it’s fair for adults who work in schools to be more at risk than anybody else." What about uni remaining open, yet according to lots of folk it was students that are the ones responsible for it running wild again | |||
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"I know that kids don’t often die from this but they can pass it to teachers or other children in their schools who can then pass it on to their family. I don’t get why schools remain open. It may have been better to ensure that schools and all teachers were all equipped with IT equipment and train them in the past six months for them to deliver compulsory and quality lessons online this winter. I don’t think it’s fair for adults who work in schools to be more at risk than anybody else. What about uni remaining open, yet according to lots of folk it was students that are the ones responsible for it running wild again" My earlier reply on the subject of universities: "Unis are already almost 100% online. My son (practical course) has 1 F2F class once a fortnight only, massively socially distanced, masks etc. The only in person teaching happening is infrequent stuff in labs, medical/dental/nursing (all of which are frankly essential if we are to continue staffing the NHS) plus some other practical subjects. Humanities subjects are online only already." | |||
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"Yes keep them open. Teachers are key workers just like the rest of us who have to work. Except no social distancing or masks. I was caught in a corridor crush of 275 kids last week. We need some thought x" I think this depends entirely on how the schools have organised themselves, quite a lot have social distancing & masks in place | |||
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"We are both in teaching and are totally committed to schools staying open and caring for the children, it's not only the children's education we have to think about. There are many children (more than you may think) who are at risk, at risk of physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse at risk of going hungry, at risk of failing, at risk of suicide, at risk of being neglected by the very people who should be looking after them. So NO, schools shouldn't close, teachers may be at a slightly higher risk, but there are processes in place to make sure those risks are minimised, vulnerable teachers are not required to work in school, I (we) think the risk is worth it to keep our kids safe. Teachers do more than a few sums and a bit of spelling, they look after the welfare of the children in their care.
Couldn’t agree with this more
I concur, im just upset that I can't look after my pupils.
Its very frustrating.
I'm sure you could do remote support from home, Lorna! Our Welfare staff have been supporting students across the globe since March. It's actually very easy."Thats been role but iv been today by email im now on leave until the 3ed of December. | |||
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"The Unions want the schools shut. " They should be shut | |||
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"Schools need to be open, universities however have higher cases so would be best moved to online learning" They will still mix though, we are on tier two so no going into anybody’s house yet the girl across the road who is home from uni as had at least 8 friends inside the house in the last 24 hours  | |||
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"The Unions want the schools shut. They should be shut" You too., | |||
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"I think those children with very vulnerable people in their household should have the option of learning remotely. After being told by the school that there would be no risk in transmission in the school, a family member has now indeed caught it from there and now the household are having to live separately in their house in order to protect a very vulnerable severely disabled member. " Completely impossible for schools to do this. How do you want teachers teach at school all day and then they log on for two or three hours to teach the vulnerable who are staying or those whose parents would rather keep their children at home. | |||
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"I think schools should be open, colleges and uni’s should be shut. " Kick in the balls for the uni students who are ££££ in debt in pursuit of a good career | |||
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"I think schools should be open, colleges and uni’s should be shut. Kick in the balls for the uni students who are ££££ in debt in pursuit of a good career" Exactly. They still have to pay full fees too but not getting the same level of education. | |||
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"The virus, sentient thought it is not, is best served when afforded the opportunity to spread to as many people as possible. Especially when so many potential hosts are in a single location. Unless said location is employing infection control measures that would make a tropical and infectious diseases hospital jealous, close it down. 2 Weeks minimum. Monitor, test, assess, then redress. " | |||
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"There has to be a balance between safety and education for children at school If the best medical advice believes it’s safe then we have to trust that. Closing schools and relying on home teaching will leave so many children disadvantaged in the future " I dont believe any medical evidence has said it's safe..... | |||
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"Schools need to be open, universities however have higher cases so would be best moved to online learning" My son is at university and has not been to the university yet. All his lectures etc are online. | |||
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"Schools need to be open, universities however have higher cases so would be best moved to online learning My son is at university and has not been to the university yet. All his lectures etc are online. " How is he finding the experience? And would he rather be at home or at the uni in the present circumstances? | |||
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"I think this is a mini lock down. In four weeks schools will close too. They will only miss one or two weeks of the end of their term. (Usually xmas stuff anyway for primaries). Secondary kids will have done their exams. Universities will have finished by then and a full, proper lock down will occur. " haha "usually Xmas stuff" you make the teacher wheeling big telly in to class room and putting films like cool runnings on while they sit at there desk filling there nails or was that just my school and maybe why I'm not a lawyer. | |||
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"Schools should shut. A full curriculum should be taught live online. There is no good reason we can think of not to teach online. Streaming solutions are available across multiple devices (laptops, phones etc.) even a Raspberry Pi computer for £35 plugged into the back of the telly would suffice. Both hardware and broadband are cheap, and attendance can be confirmed by live interaction. In the Summer term lockdown our daughter's school "gave" each child a Microsoft office license but did not include Teams. They made no attempt to provide live lessons and set little homework. Every teacher seemed to use a different system to record and distribute what little content was set, almost as if they just searched on Google to try and find software. Most of the time there were issues with accessing the content due to permission errors etc. This was, to us, completely incompetent and unacceptable. Even now there is a variety of systems used and the teachers insist on sending work out in native Microsoft formats instead of a universal format such as pdf. Again, incompetent." Online doesn't work for everyone. What about people who have limited or even no broadband, families who have several children and can't afford laptops and tablets. Online learning is no where near as effective as teaching in a classroom. Schools must stay open. | |||
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"I work across 3 schools and implemented an IT audit across our pupils for devices and broadband access for virtual schooling. Out of 1200 kids we have about 100 who have no devices or broadband access. Closing schools disadvantages those 100 or so kids. That's not acceptable. It's not acceptable if it was only 1 pupil. Hi... would it be 'do able' for the kids who havent got broadband or IT equipment to go to school. The others stay at home. Just asking Schools know exactly who the children are but don't have access to broadband and IT equipment and provision will be put in place. We have 609 children and 27 without access to the Internet at home and staff where delivering work directly to them and doing telephone "lessons" and support with those children. " Our school sent home cromebooks and portable wifi to all children!! They were open for SEN and keyworker children. My problem is the bubble sizes... My child is in a year group bubble of 120 students, they can and do interact amongst the bubble and there is no social distancing at all in that bubble. Teachers are moving around the school coming into contact with every year group bubble.. Worrying times | |||
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