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"Uk Government to announce a national lockdown fairly soon. Well what next. " Why the fuck are they briefing their pals in the right wing press before anyone else? | |||
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" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html" Says it all its from the dailymail lol , I won’t believe it until it comes out of Boris’s mouth | |||
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" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html Says it all its from the dailymail lol , I won’t believe it until it comes out of Boris’s mouth " Lol thought that myself | |||
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" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html Says it all its from the dailymail lol , I won’t believe it until it comes out of Boris’s mouth " Front page of The Times too. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one." same here just carried on as usual | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual " And that’s why we are going into lockdown  | |||
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" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html Says it all its from the dailymail lol , I won’t believe it until it comes out of Boris’s mouth Front page of The Times too."  be all over soon | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual " And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown. | |||
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"Daily mail.what a pile of shit lol " Couldnt agree more, how do they know before any of us lol | |||
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"Daily mail.what a pile of shit lol Couldnt agree more, how do they know before any of us lol " Their friends in the government told them, lol. | |||
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"Daily mail.what a pile of shit lol " Isn't all msm shite?  | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown." Please stop saying that those of us that had to work through lockdown and have been working since are the reason that there MAY be another lockdown. People who had to work through the last one, and are working now in sectors that have NO choice are trying to be responsible and prevent us and our customers catching or spreading this thing. Blame the fools who are filling the streets of our cities late in the evening, no social distancing and no masks; they are the issue not the workers who have had to work through this. | |||
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" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html Says it all its from the dailymail lol , I won’t believe it until it comes out of Boris’s mouth Front page of The Times too." And the telegraph. Who are always briefed by the Tories. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we are going into lockdown "Bingo. | |||
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"The article I read that they haven't decided what form the lockdown will take or how long, so it might not be similar to what we experienced a few months ago. It might be more a nationwide tier 2." It's nationwide tier 4. Just don't know what that looks like! | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown. Please stop saying that those of us that had to work through lockdown and have been working since are the reason that there MAY be another lockdown. People who had to work through the last one, and are working now in sectors that have NO choice are trying to be responsible and prevent us and our customers catching or spreading this thing. Blame the fools who are filling the streets of our cities late in the evening, no social distancing and no masks; they are the issue not the workers who have had to work through this. " Exactly not all of us had the choice to sit at home doing nothing some of us had to go out to work every day. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we are going into lockdown
Bingo.
I take it you didn't have to work through the last one, i did and i will have to work through the next one IF there is one ! I assure you i am not the cause of lockdown !
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we are going into lockdown
Bingo.
I take it you didn't have to work through the last one, i did and i will have to work through the next one IF there is one ! I assure you i am not the cause of lockdown !
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown. Please stop saying that those of us that had to work through lockdown and have been working since are the reason that there MAY be another lockdown. People who had to work through the last one, and are working now in sectors that have NO choice are trying to be responsible and prevent us and our customers catching or spreading this thing. Blame the fools who are filling the streets of our cities late in the evening, no social distancing and no masks; they are the issue not the workers who have had to work through this. Exactly not all of us had the choice to sit at home doing nothing some of us had to go out to work every day. " Having to work is not the same as not taking part in the lockdown. I had to work too but I still took part n all other elements of the lockdown. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we are going into lockdown
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I take it you didn't have to work through the last one, i did and i will have to work through the next one IF there is one ! I assure you i am not the cause of lockdown !
"I was shielding so I had to stay indoors. I work in education though so will most likely be working through the next one as doubt they'll close schools again. But working through the previous lockdown was not just 'carrying on as normal'. Carrying on as normal, is going to see your friends, ignoring social distancing, testing your eyes by driving to local beauty spots. Thanks for working and keeping the country going last time. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown. Please stop saying that those of us that had to work through lockdown and have been working since are the reason that there MAY be another lockdown. People who had to work through the last one, and are working now in sectors that have NO choice are trying to be responsible and prevent us and our customers catching or spreading this thing. Blame the fools who are filling the streets of our cities late in the evening, no social distancing and no masks; they are the issue not the workers who have had to work through this. Exactly not all of us had the choice to sit at home doing nothing some of us had to go out to work every day. " Nobody's blaming you for going out to work if you didn't have the option to WFH. Everyone has to pay the bills somehow. I think it was more the way you said you "carried on as normal" which implies you were still meeting up with friends and family, not sticking to social distancing etc. That was the impression I got from it anyway. | |||
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"I'm sorry but yes plenty of this work during the last lockdown but it doesn't mean that we carried on as normal. If your life has been normal or close to normal since the beginning of the 1st lock down then you are partly responsible for what is happening now or you didn't have a social life at all. " Sorry clearly lockdown is the fault of those people who worked and I should stop now, as for a social life, yes i had one but not during lockdown, I went to work I slept i ate and i went to work again. That is what I am still doing, I took the reference to carrying on as normal to be working not socialising as surely no one was doing that like they did prior to covid .... are they ? But everyone will do what they like, so I will stop defending the undefendable and suggest that the new lockdown includes all shops, and services too, that will stop covid ! | |||
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"People need to read what's being said by some regarding working in the last lockdown.. This wave hasn't been caused by them.. And they will include front line nurses etc.. " It's not about working during the last lockdown they are saying they will carry on as normal Even if you work through lock down your life should not have been normal if you were doing it right. | |||
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"I'm sorry but yes plenty of this work during the last lockdown but it doesn't mean that we carried on as normal. If your life has been normal or close to normal since the beginning of the 1st lock down then you are partly responsible for what is happening now or you didn't have a social life at all. Sorry clearly lockdown is the fault of those people who worked and I should stop now, as for a social life, yes i had one but not during lockdown, I went to work I slept i ate and i went to work again. That is what I am still doing, I took the reference to carrying on as normal to be working not socialising as surely no one was doing that like they did prior to covid .... are they ? But everyone will do what they like, so I will stop defending the undefendable and suggest that the new lockdown includes all shops, and services too, that will stop covid !" Where did I say it's the fault of people that have been working I said that nobody should be saying they will carry on as normal working or not working life should be very different under lockdown for everybody. | |||
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"I'm sorry but yes plenty of this work during the last lockdown but it doesn't mean that we carried on as normal. If your life has been normal or close to normal since the beginning of the 1st lock down then you are partly responsible for what is happening now or you didn't have a social life at all. " I'm pretty much in the no social life category
Main things I missed last lockdown were sports but now wheelchair basketball is still allowed (socially distanced) and I could go to the gym if the surgeon would let me. Was able to go back to do PT in the park from late May, started pushing on mad adventures round here so managed some exercise.
We never stopped WFH, get the same online shopping delivery we always did.
We eat out highly infrequently, didn't miss it in lockdown 1, only eaten out a couple of times since August. Having the weekend holed up in a hotel was nice but hardly breaking the rules (at the time). We didn't go out much.
I hate WFH, that's the only change that really grieves me. If I'd been able to work from the centre even a few days a week, I'd also have felt like it didn't affect me so much.
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"I'm sorry but yes plenty of this work during the last lockdown but it doesn't mean that we carried on as normal. If your life has been normal or close to normal since the beginning of the 1st lock down then you are partly responsible for what is happening now or you didn't have a social life at all. " Thanks really appreciate been told I'm partly responsible for what's happening now. worked 13+hours 6 days a week all the way through this crap don't go near anyone don't even go shopping so thanks for blaming me | |||
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"Maybe it’s for the best , give us all a weeks notice to get in what we need then put us all on a total lockdown ,might be the only way to stop this bloody virus " Unfortunately it will not stop the virus all it will do is slow the spread which is all we can do at the moment. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately." I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. | |||
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"I'm sorry but yes plenty of this work during the last lockdown but it doesn't mean that we carried on as normal. If your life has been normal or close to normal since the beginning of the 1st lock down then you are partly responsible for what is happening now or you didn't have a social life at all. Thanks really appreciate been told I'm partly responsible for what's happening now. worked 13+hours 6 days a week all the way through this crap don't go near anyone don't even go shopping so thanks for blaming me "I think you just misexplained this in your initial post. It didn't come across as if you were isolating at all. | |||
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"I'm sorry but yes plenty of this work during the last lockdown but it doesn't mean that we carried on as normal. If your life has been normal or close to normal since the beginning of the 1st lock down then you are partly responsible for what is happening now or you didn't have a social life at all. Thanks really appreciate been told I'm partly responsible for what's happening now. worked 13+hours 6 days a week all the way through this crap don't go near anyone don't even go shopping so thanks for blaming me "Now you seem to be deliberately misunderstanding her. | |||
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"I'm sorry but yes plenty of this work during the last lockdown but it doesn't mean that we carried on as normal. If your life has been normal or close to normal since the beginning of the 1st lock down then you are partly responsible for what is happening now or you didn't have a social life at all. Thanks really appreciate been told I'm partly responsible for what's happening now. worked 13+hours 6 days a week all the way through this crap don't go near anyone don't even go shopping so thanks for blaming me "I didn't blame you at all where have I ever said people that are working have caused a problem? However you and others said you would carry on as normal. Offence is being taken when actually nobody as far as I can see has blamed anybody that has been working people have just jumped on it and got defensive. | |||
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"People need to read what's being said by some regarding working in the last lockdown.. This wave hasn't been caused by them.. And they will include front line nurses etc.. It's not about working during the last lockdown they are saying they will carry on as normal Even if you work through lock down your life should not have been normal if you were doing it right. " Perhaps when they say as normal it's this normal not pre covid.. Who knows.. | |||
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"People need to read what's being said by some regarding working in the last lockdown.. This wave hasn't been caused by them.. And they will include front line nurses etc.. It's not about working during the last lockdown they are saying they will carry on as normal Even if you work through lock down your life should not have been normal if you were doing it right. Perhaps when they say as normal it's this normal not pre covid.. Who knows.." I agree however nobody as far as I can see hes said anything about people who are working are causing a problem. It just seems the anything I say gets jumped on by certain people. | |||
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"I'm sorry but yes plenty of this work during the last lockdown but it doesn't mean that we carried on as normal. If your life has been normal or close to normal since the beginning of the 1st lock down then you are partly responsible for what is happening now or you didn't have a social life at all. Thanks really appreciate been told I'm partly responsible for what's happening now. worked 13+hours 6 days a week all the way through this crap don't go near anyone don't even go shopping so thanks for blaming me
I think you just misexplained this in your initial post. It didn't come across as if you were isolating at all. "I wasn't at home long enough to isolate just sleep every one thinks they had it so bad been furloughd they forget about the sacrifice others put in to make up for the masses not going to work some people still had to keep the world ticking over. | |||
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"I'm sorry but yes plenty of this work during the last lockdown but it doesn't mean that we carried on as normal. If your life has been normal or close to normal since the beginning of the 1st lock down then you are partly responsible for what is happening now or you didn't have a social life at all. Thanks really appreciate been told I'm partly responsible for what's happening now. worked 13+hours 6 days a week all the way through this crap don't go near anyone don't even go shopping so thanks for blaming me
I think you just misexplained this in your initial post. It didn't come across as if you were isolating at all. I wasn't at home long enough to isolate just sleep every one thinks they had it so bad been furloughd they forget about the sacrifice others put in to make up for the masses not going to work some people still had to keep the world ticking over."Yes it was the majority of the working population only a quarter of people didn't work at all during the 1st lockdown. You seem to be under the impression people are blaming you and as far as I can see absolutely nobody has. | |||
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"Press conference to be held Monday evening " Not looking good. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately." It's nothing to to do with inclement to weather, nice weather in Spain, eat out to help out, generally it's people not doing the simple things.. | |||
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"People need to read what's being said by some regarding working in the last lockdown.. This wave hasn't been caused by them.. And they will include front line nurses etc.. It's not about working during the last lockdown they are saying they will carry on as normal Even if you work through lock down your life should not have been normal if you were doing it right. Perhaps when they say as normal it's this normal not pre covid.. Who knows.. I agree however nobody as far as I can see hes said anything about people who are working are causing a problem. It just seems the anything I say gets jumped on by certain people." It's words on a screen, we are all despite what some pretend a bit more anxious than this time last year.. Let it roll off like the water in a ducks back.. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. " Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. It's nothing to to do with inclement to weather, nice weather in Spain, eat out to help out, generally it's people not doing the simple things.. " The peaks in Covid19 do seem to be linked to cooler periods of weather, just like the flu virus. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown." Might be worth telling that to the key workers who had to carry on last time. | |||
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"Just adjusted my Tesco delivery. More wine, beer and ice cream. See you on the other side. "Don't forget the 96 loo rolls  | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents." Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. It's nothing to to do with inclement to weather, nice weather in Spain, eat out to help out, generally it's people not doing the simple things.. The peaks in Covid19 do seem to be linked to cooler periods of weather, just like the flu virus." Been reported today that 80% of our cases are the variation that popped up in northern Spain, similar in other European countries but not as high.. The first wave peaked after the normal flu period.. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown." Exactly | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. " Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention." And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different? | |||
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"Better sooner rather than later hence why I am glad we are already halfway through our lockdown in Wales " | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention. And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different? " | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention. And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different? " | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we are going into lockdown
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately." hate to say it but christmas was a festival before christ , it was origianly a pagan festival, the winter solstics, it was highjacked by the church | |||
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"I have just been told that it will be more than likely be on wednesday. He's an ops manager for a very large fast food group. They get told this stuff a day or so before the general public " Do they? Well they don't tell schools or care homes or doctors surgeries so why would they tell a fast food operations manager. | |||
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"People need to read what's being said by some regarding working in the last lockdown.. This wave hasn't been caused by them.. And they will include front line nurses etc.. " Indeed but many need to feel outraged | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention. And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different? "Erm... we are a society based on Christian religion and values. The reigning monarch is nominally head of the Church of England. Our society is evolved from Christianity. | |||
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"I have just been told that it will be more than likely be on wednesday. He's an ops manager for a very large fast food group. They get told this stuff a day or so before the general public Do they? Well they don't tell schools or care homes or doctors surgeries so why would they tell a fast food operations manager. " Cos it's maccies obviously... They are like the king of the high street right now & should be told first | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. It's nothing to to do with inclement to weather, nice weather in Spain, eat out to help out, generally it's people not doing the simple things.. The peaks in Covid19 do seem to be linked to cooler periods of weather, just like the flu virus. Been reported today that 80% of our cases are the variation that popped up in northern Spain, similar in other European countries but not as high.. The first wave peaked after the normal flu period.. " That doesn't explain why food processing facilities (low ambient temperature) have been linked to so many mass outbreaks. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one." I'm sure we all appreciate that, especially the more vulnerable. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown. Please stop saying that those of us that had to work through lockdown and have been working since are the reason that there MAY be another lockdown. People who had to work through the last one, and are working now in sectors that have NO choice are trying to be responsible and prevent us and our customers catching or spreading this thing. Blame the fools who are filling the streets of our cities late in the evening, no social distancing and no masks; they are the issue not the workers who have had to work through this. " Hear hear. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention. And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different?
Erm... we are a society based on Christian religion and values. The reigning monarch is nominally head of the Church of England. Our society is evolved from Christianity."Correct, but there have been Jewish people in the UK since the 1100s and Muslim people since the late 18th/early 19th century. Hardly any of the UK population profess to be Christian nowadays and certainly don't celebrate Christmas as a Christian festival (which in any case, is a rehashed version of Pagan festivals that went before). In the pandemic situation, religious orientation should be irrelevant when decision making. I'm not aware that Christians are magically exempt from catching/passing on Covid, so if Eid was too dangerous at lower virus levels, then so is Christmas. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. It's nothing to to do with inclement to weather, nice weather in Spain, eat out to help out, generally it's people not doing the simple things.. The peaks in Covid19 do seem to be linked to cooler periods of weather, just like the flu virus. Been reported today that 80% of our cases are the variation that popped up in northern Spain, similar in other European countries but not as high.. The first wave peaked after the normal flu period.. That doesn't explain why food processing facilities (low ambient temperature) have been linked to so many mass outbreaks." The close proximity that people need to be in with each other in them working environments is the reason, nothing else. | |||
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"Why are they briefing their pals at 10:30pm on a Friday night instead of just announcing it? Have they not come up with their 3 word slogan that they're going to brand it with? " Write Off 2020? (Like Bake Off, but even crappier) | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. It's nothing to to do with inclement to weather, nice weather in Spain, eat out to help out, generally it's people not doing the simple things.. The peaks in Covid19 do seem to be linked to cooler periods of weather, just like the flu virus. Been reported today that 80% of our cases are the variation that popped up in northern Spain, similar in other European countries but not as high.. The first wave peaked after the normal flu period.. That doesn't explain why food processing facilities (low ambient temperature) have been linked to so many mass outbreaks. The close proximity that people need to be in with each other in them working environments is the reason, nothing else. " Surely then there would be mass outbreaks at Sports Direct, Amazon and H&M warehouses??? | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention. And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different?
Erm... we are a society based on Christian religion and values. The reigning monarch is nominally head of the Church of England. Our society is evolved from Christianity.
Correct, but there have been Jewish people in the UK since the 1100s and Muslim people since the late 18th/early 19th century. Hardly any of the UK population profess to be Christian nowadays and certainly don't celebrate Christmas as a Christian festival (which in any case, is a rehashed version of Pagan festivals that went before).
In the pandemic situation, religious orientation should be irrelevant when decision making. I'm not aware that Christians are magically exempt from catching/passing on Covid, so if Eid was too dangerous at lower virus levels, then so is Christmas."After the Roman Emperor Augustus converted to Christianity it spread throughout the Roman empire. To facilitate this in Great Britain certain Christian festivities usurped pagan traditions, hence why Christmas is is Winter despite theory suggesting Jesus was born in spring. Christians obviously are not except from covid, however it seems contradictory for the govt to.make so many noises about saving Christmas whilst cancelling Religious services elsewhere | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. It's nothing to to do with inclement to weather, nice weather in Spain, eat out to help out, generally it's people not doing the simple things.. The peaks in Covid19 do seem to be linked to cooler periods of weather, just like the flu virus. Been reported today that 80% of our cases are the variation that popped up in northern Spain, similar in other European countries but not as high.. The first wave peaked after the normal flu period.. That doesn't explain why food processing facilities (low ambient temperature) have been linked to so many mass outbreaks. The close proximity that people need to be in with each other in them working environments is the reason, nothing else. Surely then there would be mass outbreaks at Sports Direct, Amazon and H&M warehouses???" There has been a few outbreaks in the amazon warehouse near me but they have tried to keep it quiet even from their staff unless they were worked very close to anyone infected. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention. And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different?
Erm... we are a society based on Christian religion and values. The reigning monarch is nominally head of the Church of England. Our society is evolved from Christianity.
Correct, but there have been Jewish people in the UK since the 1100s and Muslim people since the late 18th/early 19th century. Hardly any of the UK population profess to be Christian nowadays and certainly don't celebrate Christmas as a Christian festival (which in any case, is a rehashed version of Pagan festivals that went before).
In the pandemic situation, religious orientation should be irrelevant when decision making. I'm not aware that Christians are magically exempt from catching/passing on Covid, so if Eid was too dangerous at lower virus levels, then so is Christmas.
After the Roman Emperor Augustus converted to Christianity it spread throughout the Roman empire. To facilitate this in Great Britain certain Christian festivities usurped pagan traditions, hence why Christmas is is Winter despite theory suggesting Jesus was born in spring.
Christians obviously are not except from covid, however it seems contradictory for the govt to.make so many noises about saving Christmas whilst cancelling Religious services elsewhere"Again, Christmas is not just for Christians. I know PLENTY of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus etc who celebrate it. And when I say "celebrate" I mean come together as a family and swap presents, have Christmas Dinner etc. To my knowledge, there are not many Christians who celebrate Eid. | |||
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" And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different?
Erm... we are a society based on Christian religion and values. The reigning monarch is nominally head of the Church of England. Our society is evolved from Christianity.
Correct, but there have been Jewish people in the UK since the 1100s and Muslim people since the late 18th/early 19th century. Hardly any of the UK population profess to be Christian nowadays and certainly don't celebrate Christmas as a Christian festival (which in any case, is a rehashed version of Pagan festivals that went before).
In the pandemic situation, religious orientation should be irrelevant when decision making. I'm not aware that Christians are magically exempt from catching/passing on Covid, so if Eid was too dangerous at lower virus levels, then so is Christmas.
After the Roman Emperor Augustus converted to Christianity it spread throughout the Roman empire. To facilitate this in Great Britain certain Christian festivities usurped pagan traditions, hence why Christmas is is Winter despite theory suggesting Jesus was born in spring.
Christians obviously are not except from covid, however it seems contradictory for the govt to.make so many noises about saving Christmas whilst cancelling Religious services elsewhere"There's a bunch of prominent Christians running the Govt. Mr Rees Mogg, as an example. Also it's excellent for BoJo's ego "The PM Who Saved Christmas". The anti-Cromwell. The hero. He'll have a suitable Churchill-esque soundbite to accompany his heroics, no doubt. | |||
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" Again, Christmas is not just for Christians. I know PLENTY of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus etc who celebrate it. And when I say "celebrate" I mean come together as a family and swap presents, have Christmas Dinner etc. To my knowledge, there are not many Christians who celebrate Eid. " Honestly, it's irrelevant. If mass gatherings are unsafe for one traditional festival, irrespective of its origins, then it's too dangerous for another. It's about fairness and consistency. Trouble is, we have neither in spades. | |||
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" Again, Christmas is not just for Christians. I know PLENTY of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus etc who celebrate it. And when I say "celebrate" I mean come together as a family and swap presents, have Christmas Dinner etc. To my knowledge, there are not many Christians who celebrate Eid. Honestly, it's irrelevant. If mass gatherings are unsafe for one traditional festival, irrespective of its origins, then it's too dangerous for another. It's about fairness and consistency. Trouble is, we have neither in spades." Try cancelling Christmas and watch all the protests that will unravel in the major cities... That'll make cases rise far more than allowing a Christmas with some modifications. Problem is that cancelled or not most people will just go ahead and do what they want anyway. Unless we station the army at every corner and have police knocking on doors and checking inside. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. It's nothing to to do with inclement to weather, nice weather in Spain, eat out to help out, generally it's people not doing the simple things.. The peaks in Covid19 do seem to be linked to cooler periods of weather, just like the flu virus. Been reported today that 80% of our cases are the variation that popped up in northern Spain, similar in other European countries but not as high.. The first wave peaked after the normal flu period.. That doesn't explain why food processing facilities (low ambient temperature) have been linked to so many mass outbreaks. The close proximity that people need to be in with each other in them working environments is the reason, nothing else. Surely then there would be mass outbreaks at Sports Direct, Amazon and H&M warehouses???" From my experience no, their not the same working environments. | |||
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" Again, Christmas is not just for Christians. I know PLENTY of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus etc who celebrate it. And when I say "celebrate" I mean come together as a family and swap presents, have Christmas Dinner etc. To my knowledge, there are not many Christians who celebrate Eid. Honestly, it's irrelevant. If mass gatherings are unsafe for one traditional festival, irrespective of its origins, then it's too dangerous for another. It's about fairness and consistency. Trouble is, we have neither in spades. Try cancelling Christmas and watch all the protests that will unravel in the major cities... That'll make cases rise far more than allowing a Christmas with some modifications. Problem is that cancelled or not most people will just go ahead and do what they want anyway. Unless we station the army at every corner and have police knocking on doors and checking inside. " So we call out people from one tradition who complained about their most important festival being effectively cancelled, we made pariahs out of the institutions (mosques mainly) who allowed services to happen, but don't call out others who insist their favourite festival is more important than Mr Khan's next door? I went to school (a CofE primary) where Muslim children formed probably 95% of the pupils. On Eid ul Fitr, the vast majority of the pupils got an unauthorised absence mark and stayed home and we non Muslim children got a lazy day in school. At Christmas, none of my Muslim friends celebrated or did anything especially different. If anyone needed gravy browning at Christmas, you got it from the dads who opened their shops like any other day. It can't be one rule for one demographic group and another for a different demographic group. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention. And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different?
Erm... we are a society based on Christian religion and values. The reigning monarch is nominally head of the Church of England. Our society is evolved from Christianity.
Correct, but there have been Jewish people in the UK since the 1100s and Muslim people since the late 18th/early 19th century. Hardly any of the UK population profess to be Christian nowadays and certainly don't celebrate Christmas as a Christian festival (which in any case, is a rehashed version of Pagan festivals that went before).
In the pandemic situation, religious orientation should be irrelevant when decision making. I'm not aware that Christians are magically exempt from catching/passing on Covid, so if Eid was too dangerous at lower virus levels, then so is Christmas.
After the Roman Emperor Augustus converted to Christianity it spread throughout the Roman empire. To facilitate this in Great Britain certain Christian festivities usurped pagan traditions, hence why Christmas is is Winter despite theory suggesting Jesus was born in spring.
Christians obviously are not except from covid, however it seems contradictory for the govt to.make so many noises about saving Christmas whilst cancelling Religious services elsewhere
Again, Christmas is not just for Christians. I know PLENTY of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus etc who celebrate it. And when I say "celebrate" I mean come together as a family and swap presents, have Christmas Dinner etc.
To my knowledge, there are not many Christians who celebrate Eid. "True. But that is because the UK is at its core a Christian society, albeit one which is very diverse and multicultural. Hence the celebration of Christmas has become a unifying event, way for other cultures to assimilate and a time for celebration irrespective of background. | |||
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"True. But that is because the UK is at its core a Christian society, albeit one which is very diverse and multicultural. Hence the celebration of Christmas has become a unifying event, way for other cultures to assimilate and a time for celebration irrespective of background. Exactly, which is why I'm saying that comparing Christmas and Eid is basically apples and oranges. Either way I think this is all moot because there's no real way to stop Christmas. As much as people being reckless during these times annoys me (and I have been sticking to all "the rules" since the start), I do get the reluctance to give up Christmas in what has already been such a shit year and can't vilify people for wanting to go ahead with it. Especially if you have elderly relatives and only see them around that time of year, knowing there is a chance it might be their last Christmas... " Yeah, I don't disagree with that last point. There's a risk attached to living and life in general. It's a case of managing and minimising risk. Denying elderly relatives the chance to be around their families is almost a form of cruelty. | |||
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"Well I hope Wales comes out of it at the end of this firebreak lockdown or whatever they call it now, because its affecting work. " The firebreak ends on 9th November Gyms, restaurants, pubs, schools etc will reopn A generic set of national measures will be introduced from then, looking to probably be mainly centred around limiting indoor gatherings and possibly travel (whether that be within Wales/The UK or internationally I don't know) | |||
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"Maybe it’s for the best , give us all a weeks notice to get in what we need then put us all on a total lockdown ,might be the only way to stop this bloody virus " Pigs will fly if you believe that. It didnt stop on the last one and its not going to stop on another because loads think its a conspiracy. An aim to cull the world. A ploy for the government to control us . So it goes on . Demonstrations equals mass crowds and no masks no social distance. It wnt stop until they stop and we all help fight it. So prepare for a long haul. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. " Maybe to some but others dnt believe in ruining kids and big lavish meals. Some actually do believe its about Jesus. And more should. Maybe a little prayer now and again might help. Who knows . Nothing else seems to work | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown. Please stop saying that those of us that had to work through lockdown and have been working since are the reason that there MAY be another lockdown. People who had to work through the last one, and are working now in sectors that have NO choice are trying to be responsible and prevent us and our customers catching or spreading this thing. Blame the fools who are filling the streets of our cities late in the evening, no social distancing and no masks; they are the issue not the workers who have had to work through this. " worked through and still am, not had time to socialise with anyone but gf and claimed no support. I go in our local shop once a week to shop, that takes half hour...thats it, repeated and repeated...and there are many more of us out there. | |||
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"I'm sorry but yes plenty of this work during the last lockdown but it doesn't mean that we carried on as normal. If your life has been normal or close to normal since the beginning of the 1st lock down then you are partly responsible for what is happening now or you didn't have a social life at all. Thanks really appreciate been told I'm partly responsible for what's happening now. worked 13+hours 6 days a week all the way through this crap don't go near anyone don't even go shopping so thanks for blaming me "Why are you twisting what she said? That's not what she said at all. Unless *before covid* you worked 6 days a week not going near anyone, not shopping, no socialising. | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. It's nothing to to do with inclement to weather, nice weather in Spain, eat out to help out, generally it's people not doing the simple things.. The peaks in Covid19 do seem to be linked to cooler periods of weather, just like the flu virus. Been reported today that 80% of our cases are the variation that popped up in northern Spain, similar in other European countries but not as high.. The first wave peaked after the normal flu period.. " What do you mean "the variation that popped up in northern Spain"? Do you mean the covid strain? | |||
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"I doubt it will be a full lockdown as before. The won't close the borders again. " All the press leaks this morning suggest it’s pretty much full lockdown as early as Monday. | |||
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"I doubt it will be a full lockdown as before. The won't close the borders again. All the press leaks this morning suggest it’s pretty much full lockdown as early as Monday. " I really, really hope it isn't. I got stuck in the UK from March to August on the last one. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown. Please stop saying that those of us that had to work through lockdown and have been working since are the reason that there MAY be another lockdown. People who had to work through the last one, and are working now in sectors that have NO choice are trying to be responsible and prevent us and our customers catching or spreading this thing. Blame the fools who are filling the streets of our cities late in the evening, no social distancing and no masks; they are the issue not the workers who have had to work through this. Exactly not all of us had the choice to sit at home doing nothing some of us had to go out to work every day. " People were allowed to work but work from home if you can. By saying that you won't follow the rules implies that the restrictions were or are in place are going to be ignored. I worked through it too but i kept to what the guidelines stated otherwise. If you don't follow the local and national rules then you can't argue that the rules aren't working as you are part of the problem, not the solution. | |||
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"In which case the other question is going to be why on earth did you not do it to coincide with the half term holiday rather than in effect faffing about........... I think basically it won’t be full lockdown but all non essential shops, bars and restaurants will close.....work places and school will be the only things left open..." Exactly they should of done it this week but as usual he is late again. | |||
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"Love the Forums 1. Education on Christmas. Very enlightening 2. Working through lockdown. Hats off to those people. You know who you R. 3. North South Divide. Have found it interesting not heard of any Covid issues south of Birmingham. Now a whisper of cases down south and a complete lockdown. GREAT. 4. When will it stop !!!!" | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention. And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different? " This.. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we’re going back into lockdown." exactly | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we are going into lockdown
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I take it you didn't have to work through the last one, i did and i will have to work through the next one IF there is one ! I assure you i am not the cause of lockdown !
Working and carrying on as normal are not the same thing. I work but my life has been far from normal."Fully agree. Both of us had to continue working, but that was the only part that remained normal. Our lives were work and home and occasional supermarket visits, kids were at home as schools were closed. None of us left the house unless essential, so much so that it wasn't until the good weather in the summer that we saw our next door neighbour and found out they had suffered covid. Just because some of us still worked through (supplying supermarkets in our cases) does not mean we flaunted the restrictions. | |||
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" Again, Christmas is not just for Christians. I know PLENTY of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus etc who celebrate it. And when I say "celebrate" I mean come together as a family and swap presents, have Christmas Dinner etc. To my knowledge, there are not many Christians who celebrate Eid. Honestly, it's irrelevant. If mass gatherings are unsafe for one traditional festival, irrespective of its origins, then it's too dangerous for another. It's about fairness and consistency. Trouble is, we have neither in spades. Try cancelling Christmas and watch all the protests that will unravel in the major cities... That'll make cases rise far more than allowing a Christmas with some modifications. Problem is that cancelled or not most people will just go ahead and do what they want anyway. Unless we station the army at every corner and have police knocking on doors and checking inside. " It won't be 'cancelled'.. It will still go ahead under the same restrictions people have endured for the funerals of loved ones, christenings and weddings and milestone birthday celebrations.. I don't see it as that important that I might want to give my grandchildren or their parents the really crap gift of covid this Christmas not they us.. Ffs church attendance is at an all time low each Christmas.. It's more an excuse with some for a gluttonous over indulgence and fall out with someone.. | |||
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" Again, Christmas is not just for Christians. I know PLENTY of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus etc who celebrate it. And when I say "celebrate" I mean come together as a family and swap presents, have Christmas Dinner etc. To my knowledge, there are not many Christians who celebrate Eid. Honestly, it's irrelevant. If mass gatherings are unsafe for one traditional festival, irrespective of its origins, then it's too dangerous for another. It's about fairness and consistency. Trouble is, we have neither in spades. Try cancelling Christmas and watch all the protests that will unravel in the major cities... That'll make cases rise far more than allowing a Christmas with some modifications. Problem is that cancelled or not most people will just go ahead and do what they want anyway. Unless we station the army at every corner and have police knocking on doors and checking inside. It won't be 'cancelled'.. It will still go ahead under the same restrictions people have endured for the funerals of loved ones, christenings and weddings and milestone birthday celebrations.. I don't see it as that important that I might want to give my grandchildren or their parents the really crap gift of covid this Christmas not they us.. Ffs church attendance is at an all time low each Christmas.. It's more an excuse with some for a gluttonous over indulgence and fall out with someone.." | |||
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"Don't understand what the big fuss is about Christmas. It comes every year and goes. A complete waste of money and excuse for expensive presents. Maybe we should focus on LIFE AND LIVES. The possibility of lockdown again is daunting because it will serve no purpose. You tell a child they csnt do something they will do it and thats what's happening here. Millions acting like naughty school children. Everyone needs to do it for themselves. Their families. For this country. But they will not be told they have to do it. So maybe Boris should use reverse psychology on the idiots who blatantly disregard lives. The man hasnt a clue. If he had shut this country down the minute we found out it was here and not allowed in or out. We would all be fine but no as always the arse end of everything. So he locks us,down then when he thinks its safe he opens everything up. Offers half price food . Everyone going out. Virus still about. We go off on holiday all over the world and BINGO its back. So what the hell is the point of yet another lockdown when we didnt even make the first one work. I love my life and care about my family and so should everyone else instead of being absolute DICKHEADS. Just makes my blood boil. So 8 months down the line we are back to square one. FUCKING LOCKDOWN LOOMING " | |||
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"Wotever. It's been on the cards for a while a now. I just hope it doesn't kill off whatever is left of our economy. If we do have another Lockdown then it's time to kill off these dumb, useless Tier restrictions as it's obvious that they ain't working. Not quite sure why so many Atheists are suddenly interested in saving Christmas? Finally, I think that the need for another lockdown represents a gross failure to prepare for the inevitable spike in corona cases resulting from inclement weather adequately. I'm atheist and none of my family are Christian, but Christmas is a time for everyone in the family to come together, eat good food, catch up, spoil the kids etc. It's actually my favourite time of the year. Sorry to break it to you but Christmas hasn't been about Jesus for a long time. Yeah, that is a fair enough point. But, for an atheist surely any time of the year is good enough to have a family gathering? I don't want to drag this discussion away from the original point. I do respect that Christmas has long moved on from it's Christian roots to become more of a secular celebration of family (for a lot of people), I do think though that many people will disregard any restrictions at that time of the year to spend time with their families, particularly elderly grandparents. Can't think of another time where all the kids are off school, offices are shut so it's easier for people to get time off work (pre covid obvs), social calendars are easier to sync up etc. And apart from all that, it's just Christmas ennit. It's not really just the day, it's more of a feeling and you can't really replicate it any other time. For me, anyway. Ok. I can understand that. As a Christian though I do think that there's a double standard there that people are happy to use a (fundamentally) Christian celebration to plead for lighter restrictions whilst being happy to cancel church service at Easter (most important date for Christians) on the basis of Covid prevention. And remember Eid celebrations and Yom Kippur have been seriously impacted by Covid restrictions. Why should Christmas be any different? This.." my family get together for an easter dinner every year ... this year we had it in august ... if christmas gets delayed so be it | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we are going into lockdown maybe we have essential jobs or businesses you know like keeping the power on or building nightingale hospitals that sort of thing, what do you do? Hiding under a table?"It's not about hiding under the table or behind the sofa is it. I seen a bloke in Nottingham last night on the news who was bragging he had been across to Derbyshire to put on some bets in the bookies and had a pint or two while there. This is exactly why it has to be a national lock down. It's no good in saying there is hardly any infection rate in one area when people will just travel to them areas to get a pint. | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we are going into lockdown
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I take it you didn't have to work through the last one, i did and i will have to work through the next one IF there is one ! I assure you i am not the cause of lockdown !
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"Maybe it’s for the best , give us all a weeks notice to get in what we need then put us all on a total lockdown ,might be the only way to stop this bloody virus " the lockdown is not going to stop the virus, it's just about slowing the spread to manageable levels. i know people got all overexcited and there was mission creep from 'slow the spread' to 'eradicate the virus' but that really isn't going to happen. | |||
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"Really hope it’s not a full lockdown, we are due to head to the lakes on Thursday So can everyone behave please "What tier are you currently in? | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one." Rather explains why we are going into a 2nd lockdown! | |||
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"Didn't take part in the last one just carried on working and I have no intention in joining in with the next one. same here just carried on as usual And that’s why we are going into lockdown
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It's most probably people like that who continued working through the lockdown that enabled the millions of people to be sat on their arse being paid by the Government to watch daytime TV every single day for 6 months...
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"I think the leaking to the press is disgraceful, they have done this every time they have made a decision as they don't seem to have the guts to announce a decision without testing the water first. Again though, we are late to the party "Eithr that or you could suggest the press are forcing their hand on lockdowns only to criticise them 24 hours later. But would imaging the great british press being so manipulative | |||
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"BoZo is still trying to encourage 'herd immunity' so they announce this shit but give folks time to out and have a big blow out to spread it even more. BUT here immunity will not work as antibodies are not remaining in the body long enough. It is a total shambles." Aha, another world class virologist on fab! | |||
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"BoZo is still trying to encourage 'herd immunity' so they announce this shit but give folks time to out and have a big blow out to spread it even more. BUT here immunity will not work as antibodies are not remaining in the body long enough. It is a total shambles. Aha, another world class virologist on fab! " I am only quoting what actual epidemiologists have stated. I am not expert but they are. | |||
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"Love the Forums 3. North South Divide. Have found it interesting not heard of any Covid issues south of Birmingham. Now a whisper of cases down south and a complete lockdown. GREAT. " its this again..... which is frustrating... in the last ons/ sage/ national covis report notes they have suggested that its is now rising in london and the south east at a quicker rate then the areas in the have been under tier 3 restrictions.. so again.... it goes down south and now they talk about national lockdown again! I'm guessing it will look like what is happening in fance/germany/ireland.... 4 weeks..... and then we will see what is going to happen over christmas | |||
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"Kick the can down the road again. All to save there political arses. I have zero respect for our so called elected representatives. They do not represent us or respect us! " ....."us"???....you do not represent everyone! | |||
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"How dare they control us I am outraged whilst government receive full wages people losing jobs. Firms going bust. I've also read covid project not to end till 2025. I am tired of the way they control us. Yes, I've seen from the 3rd of November. Till 1st Dec. " Exactly !!!!! How DARE they try to keep you and your family alive. Ludicrous. | |||
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"How dare they control us I am outraged whilst government receive full wages people losing jobs. Firms going bust. I've also read covid project not to end till 2025. I am tired of the way they control us. Yes, I've seen from the 3rd of November. Till 1st Dec. " I think the likes of this comment ( not just on here ) is one of the reasons why we are in this mess. | |||
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"I think the leaking to the press is disgraceful, they have done this every time they have made a decision as they don't seem to have the guts to announce a decision without testing the water first. Again though, we are late to the party "I'm undecided about this. I think it's good to listen to the people. They seem to have been trying to please both sides. (Lock down/ open up) But then I also think it just stirs up shit with the public who go out and get pissed/ party etc out of spite. I feel bad for the government on a human level. They can't win whatever they do.  | |||
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"Bring it on ASAP and stop all overseas travel this covid they reckon as it comes from Spain and the people holidaying have caused it. This lockdown army on the streets do it Asian style. This soft government the soft governments off Europe are all a discrace. I want a good 2021 so if that means a misrable xmas for all then ok the medicine might be nasty but we need to beat this thing " This is what I fear. However with the state the country is in at the moment, I doubt they will shut the borders. I agree a full lockdown as before will reduce the numbers, but as usual the government are late to respond using regional tier methods to combat the virus which don't seem to be working. | |||
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I'm undecided about this. I think it's good to listen to the people. They seem to have been trying to please both sides. (Lock down/ open up)
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"I think the leaking to the press is disgraceful, they have done this every time they have made a decision as they don't seem to have the guts to announce a decision without testing the water first. Again though, we are late to the party
I'm undecided about this. I think it's good to listen to the people. They seem to have been trying to please both sides. (Lock down/ open up)
But then I also think it just stirs up shit with the public who go out and get pissed/ party etc out of spite.
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"Luckily it's not a national lockdown, only an English one. " But England IS a nation .. sorry | |||
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"Luckily it's not a national lockdown, only an English one. " That's the spirit old chap. Fuck everyone else as long as I'm okay especially fuck us English. | |||
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"When all is said and done we all need to look at the hospital admissions we have right now, they are at a similar rate to where we where 3 weeks into the last lockdown. The reality is the damage is done, we already have enough infected people to get the numbers of seriously ill over the coming weeks causing major issues in the high infection areas, likewise in the lower numbered areas their numbers will mount. We will also have enough infections in the communities to see spread through households etc to increase figures in the coming weeks. In a model where we aim to get the R rate back down to 1 and below we are also talking about months of limitations to do it. " Boris is in for some serious shit if the short sharp lockdowns in Wales and Northern Ireland work and he's left it a week or two weeks too long Early signs in Northern Ireland are indicating the infection rate falling | |||
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"Might last all of November being confined to the house " Can’t confine everyone in their house for a month we’ve all got to get food and lots will still work unless there is a plan for after lockdown this will just keep going on and on. Lockdown just seeeos the problem under the carpet last lock down didn’t solve the problem so why will this one do any better. | |||
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"When all is said and done we all need to look at the hospital admissions we have right now, they are at a similar rate to where we where 3 weeks into the last lockdown. The reality is the damage is done, we already have enough infected people to get the numbers of seriously ill over the coming weeks causing major issues in the high infection areas, likewise in the lower numbered areas their numbers will mount. We will also have enough infections in the communities to see spread through households etc to increase figures in the coming weeks. In a model where we aim to get the R rate back down to 1 and below we are also talking about months of limitations to do it. Boris is in for some serious shit if the short sharp lockdowns in Wales and Northern Ireland work and he's left it a week or two weeks too long Early signs in Northern Ireland are indicating the infection rate falling " Unfortunately he doesn’t care. The science stated we needed a lockdown, Kier Starmer asked for a lockdown, Boris ignored them and slated Starmer for making the request. It is the usual dither and delay from an inept PM and government who either dont give a shit or are completely clueless (probably both ) | |||
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"I think the leaking to the press is disgraceful, they have done this every time they have made a decision as they don't seem to have the guts to announce a decision without testing the water first. Again though, we are late to the party
I'm undecided about this. I think it's good to listen to the people. They seem to have been trying to please both sides. (Lock down/ open up)
But then I also think it just stirs up shit with the public who go out and get pissed/ party etc out of spite.
I feel bad for the government on a human level. They can't win whatever they do.
I actually agree with you. They are kind of damed if they do damed if they don't. How ever I think they just need to be much more decisive and that would cut out a lot of confusion and divisiveness." I think the confusion they are causing is terrible. I compared the Tier posters, they have maybe 12+ different scenarios (pubs, families, schools, work, meeting friends etc) and there's only a couple of differences between each. And then some say '*may* occur in this tier' so it's pointless having tiers as they are too wishy washy.
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"Might last all of November being confined to the house Can’t confine everyone in their house for a month we’ve all got to get food and lots will still work unless there is a plan for after lockdown this will just keep going on and on. Lockdown just seeeos the problem under the carpet last lock down didn’t solve the problem so why will this one do any better. " What do you suggest? | |||
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"Might last all of November being confined to the house Can’t confine everyone in their house for a month we’ve all got to get food and lots will still work unless there is a plan for after lockdown this will just keep going on and on. Lockdown just seeeos the problem under the carpet last lock down didn’t solve the problem so why will this one do any better. " Haven’t you read the script, lockdowns aren’t there to solve, they are there to manage... It’s like bailing out a boat with a hole in it... you have to do enough times to keep afloat until you reach dry land. | |||
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"Might last all of November being confined to the house Can’t confine everyone in their house for a month we’ve all got to get food and lots will still work unless there is a plan for after lockdown this will just keep going on and on. Lockdown just seeeos the problem under the carpet last lock down didn’t solve the problem so why will this one do any better. What do you suggest? " Magic wand or throw a penny into a wishing well, it's about all we have left now | |||
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