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Another side to it.

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Because there are always two sides to everything. To counter balance the hysteria of the people who may have been lucky enough to 'stay home and save lives' and 'just wear your fucking mask' and we wouldnt be in this mess.

We have all enjoyed being able to get our food from supermarkets whether in person or delivered, doing our bit. The good little cashier sat at the tills day after day maskless and without screens right through the heart of it as we safely dash in and out, phew. We have all enjoyed electricity and water and drainage as we hid away safely. The water and drainage and electricity elves working away tirelessly, no masks no screens right through the worst of it. We sit and watch our tellies and take in the fear and stay at home and save lives.

Except all the people who can't and do you know what, they see what the tv doesnt tell us, that that this thing isnt ripping through communities, that they and their colleagues are still there, the same customers keep appearing, thank god, maybe it isnt so deadly and they havnt been thrown to the wolves by heartless leaders just to keep the system working. So maybe they can also start to become a little cynical about what they are told to believe. Now medical staff are obviously seeing a different side as they are at the forefront and the ill are concentrated at their doors as to be expected.

Now if people really could be bothered to study the numbers, really look at them without the hysteria, maybe they could 'open their fucking eyes' and maybe just maybe take a step back from all the virtue signalling. You still got your shopping and your electricity didnt you, and it was from these people that you may now be calling an idiot and thick just because they see it differently to you. Happy Saturday

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Hmm a very telling lack of response from the oh so vocal about how their vulnerable are being put at risk from idiots. A bit quieter when asked to consider the plight of hidden workers who have been expected to risk death from a deadly new disease every single day of this pandemic so you get your pint of milk or loaf of bread. As I suspected Fab.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've been pointing out the amount of "essential workers" you need to run a country for ages.

But still the mantra that if we all just stay in for a few weeks this virus will disappear remains strong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Perhaps they're not sure what point you're trying to make.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nobody has ever denied the importance of key workers. At many times the forums have been full of nothing but praise for them.

No need to patronise people for the simple act of not responding to your thread within 30 minutes though. It's a Saturday; people have things to do and many don't spend their entire lives on the fab forums

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nobody has ever denied the importance of key workers. At many times the forums have been full of nothing but praise for them.

Not just keyworkers it takes alot more than keyworkers to keep the economy running.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I've been pointing out the amount of "essential workers" you need to run a country for ages.

But still the mantra that if we all just stay in for a few weeks this virus will disappear remains strong.

Quite. A lockdown should be for everyone, not just keep the convenient ones working.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her."

I am yes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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Haha that didn't stay up long.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"Because there are always two sides to everything. To counter balance the hysteria of the people who may have been lucky enough to 'stay home and save lives' and 'just wear your fucking mask' and we wouldnt be in this mess.

I started to decipher it but lunch is ready .... Bye

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Nobody has ever denied the importance of key workers. At many times the forums have been full of nothing but praise for them.

People dont want praise they want to not be put in the way of a deadly virus with the same compassion for their welfare as everyone else gets.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask? "

Nobody was asked or expected to wear masks in March or throughout the peak

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask? "

Mine all of it I run up and down roofs 6 days a week.

Heavy manual work.

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By *host63Man over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

I work as a caretaker in a council estate so had to keep going through this.

Also know a lot of vulnerable people including relatives too.

My view is that it's right to take precautions, and we all.have a part to play. Being cautious and minimising the risks keeps those if us who have to work often without masks safe as well.

Yiu dont have to be hysterical about it just wear a mask in the shops and observe social distancing.

I think 200k dead in America is a good indication of what happens when you get stupid

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've been pointing out the amount of "essential workers" you need to run a country for ages.

But still the mantra that if we all just stay in for a few weeks this virus will disappear remains strong.

Quite. A lockdown should be for everyone, not just keep the convenient ones working."

Trust me if the day ever comes where we have a "proper lockdown" for everybody, these virtue signalling wallies will be out protesting that they can't get their avacados for their poached egg breakfast.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I work as a caretaker in a council estate so had to keep going through this.

Also know a lot of vulnerable people including relatives too.

My view is that it's right to take precautions, and we all.have a part to play. Being cautious and minimising the risks keeps those if us who have to work often without masks safe as well.

Yiu dont have to be hysterical about it just wear a mask in the shops and observe social distancing.

I think 200k dead in America is a good indication of what happens when you get stupid

Masks in shops and social distancing is a given.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

Nobody was asked or expected to wear masks in March or throughout the peak"

Very true, however there are a vast number of people that are still telling others to wear masks now, even though it's been a thing for some considerable time and who have still been going to work as normal.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

The point is? It takes an enormous effort to keep all of our services working and that rising infection levels aren't so much of an issue really?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

Nobody was asked or expected to wear masks in March or throughout the peak"

That's because the WHO and the CDC and most medical experts then said that's masks were a waste of time when dealing with an endemic airborne virus.

Of course they work pretty good in making people compliant and if you refuse you stand out like a person wearing a star of David

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So you can't see it so it's not real?

Good to know.

Given the Tories have recently called trying to get hungry children fed "virtue signalling", I think we should take it for the badge of honour that it is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

Mine all of it I run up and down roofs 6 days a week.

Heavy manual work."

Outside and assuming you are correctly social distancing, you are at much less risk than a shop worker. For inside work, I will see if I can get the manufacturer names for the masks our contractors are currently wearing for you. They are repairing the heating ducts in the ceiling and have been wearing masks all through the day last week. Might help you out if you can identify a high flow type and make it more comfortable for you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

Mine all of it I run up and down roofs 6 days a week.

Heavy manual work."

Plenty of hard manual work requires face mask wearing in normal times...a remote springs to mind,knocking out walls and chimneys for one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So you can't see it so it's not real?

Good to know.

Given the Tories have recently called trying to get hungry children fed "virtue signalling", I think we should take it for the badge of honour that it is."

Who said it isn't real ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

*revite

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"So you can't see it so it's not real?

Good to know.

Given the Tories have recently called trying to get hungry children fed "virtue signalling", I think we should take it for the badge of honour that it is.

Who said it isn't real ?"

The OP says it's exaggerated.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

Nobody was asked or expected to wear masks in March or throughout the peak"

True. We weren't asked until evidence became available pointing largely to the benefits of mask wearing to prevent the wearer from infecting others. Especially important as many people have no symptoms when infected, are ignorant of it and yet still have the same viral loads and infection potential as people with symptoms.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

Mine all of it I run up and down roofs 6 days a week.

Heavy manual work.

Plenty of hard manual work requires face mask wearing in normal times...a remote springs to mind,knocking out walls and chimneys for one

They are different kind of masks and you know full well they are.

I would challenge any one in these forums to do my job for a week and wear a mask doing it.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

Nobody was asked or expected to wear masks in March or throughout the peak

Evidence and the supply chain changed.

Or, it's a conspiracy wake up sheeple

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I also think it's cute that people think that those who can hide at home by definition aren't doing anything to help. Really cute.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

Nobody was asked or expected to wear masks in March or throughout the peak

I think this is my point, many of the others telling people to wear masks are telling those that have been in harms way all this time not being required to wear safety gear. To be told you are trying to kill people after all the harm you have been supposedly placed in, is upsetting at best and patronising at worst.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

Mine all of it I run up and down roofs 6 days a week.

Heavy manual work.

Plenty of hard manual work requires face mask wearing in normal times...a remote springs to mind,knocking out walls and chimneys for one

They are different kind of masks and you know full well they are.

I would challenge any one in these forums to do my job for a week and wear a mask doing it."

Have you tried it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So you can't see it so it's not real?

Good to know.

Given the Tories have recently called trying to get hungry children fed "virtue signalling", I think we should take it for the badge of honour that it is.

Who said it isn't real ?

The OP says it's exaggerated."

Where ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyway the rain has stopped.

Back to work for me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The point is? It takes an enormous effort to keep all of our services working and that rising infection levels aren't so much of an issue really? "

I am terrible at getting a point across, no neither of those

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Except all the people who can't and do you know what, they see what the tv doesnt tell us, that that this thing isnt ripping through communities, that they and their colleagues are still there, the same customers keep appearing, thank god, maybe it isnt so deadly and they havnt been thrown to the wolves by heartless leaders just to keep the system working. So maybe they can also start to become a little cynical about what they are told to believe. "

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Wearing a mask sucks.

It sucks less than Covid for many people. Including long Covid and stuff that hasn't emerged from that yet.

It sucks less than, I imagine, working in overwhelmed emergency services.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So you can't see it so it's not real?

Good to know.

Given the Tories have recently called trying to get hungry children fed "virtue signalling", I think we should take it for the badge of honour that it is.

Who said it isn't real ?

The OP says it's exaggerated."

It's got an IFR of 0.03 for under 70 year olds, for anybody under 21 it's less deadlier than influenza.

It's definitely a problematic novel Corona virus, the Spanish flu it isn't.

How best can we continue with a relatively normal life while balancing the risks to the small amount of vulnerable is a reasonable question.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"So you can't see it so it's not real?

Good to know.

Given the Tories have recently called trying to get hungry children fed "virtue signalling", I think we should take it for the badge of honour that it is.

Who said it isn't real ?

The OP says it's exaggerated.

It's got an IFR of 0.03 for under 70 year olds, for anybody under 21 it's less deadlier than influenza.

It's definitely a problematic novel Corona virus, the Spanish flu it isn't.

How best can we continue with a relatively normal life while balancing the risks to the small amount of vulnerable is a reasonable question."

Do you know that mortality isn't the only bad outcome from disease?

Do you know that vulnerable people run into the millions, and locking them in their homes forever is a) not entirely effective, and b) cruel?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hmm a very telling lack of response from the oh so vocal about how their vulnerable are being put at risk from idiots. A bit quieter when asked to consider the plight of hidden workers who have been expected to risk death from a deadly new disease every single day of this pandemic so you get your pint of milk or loaf of bread. As I suspected Fab.

Milk from a cow I presume you mean. Do you know how much a female cow suffers?

Milk contains bacteria actually some people are diary free it makes them very ill.

No one at school bothered to look after milk. I drank it warm. Made me ill.

Tap water makes you ill. I had legionnaires.

So many things make us ill.

How many years you cough?

Hay fever

A cold... The symptoms for covid cover so many things.

I have flu once. I sweated it out with fluids. I was not contagious did not have to be herded, mask wearing, every time you cough are covid diseased, no.

They say disease, they say pandemic. They make every death say Covid.

I've read Dark Winter operation

I have researched Event 201 and Operation CYGNUS and looked at preparedness meetings by the government and NHS.

I've worked with vulnerable people they all have lung problems, difficulty breathing, cough, nothing wrong with taste buds.

If saliva is contagious best not kiss.

If droplets from your nose are contagious... Best not have meets but folk on here do meet for a shag. Not me.

This is my opinion.

Bread does too. Green fungi on bread.

Hidden bacteria on and in your house. Dust is contagious. I am off to dust off contagious theories.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Wearing a mask sucks.

It sucks less than Covid for many people. Including long Covid and stuff that hasn't emerged from that yet.

It sucks less than, I imagine, working in overwhelmed emergency services."

All the usual tropes spilling out

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Wearing a mask sucks.

It sucks less than Covid for many people. Including long Covid and stuff that hasn't emerged from that yet.

It sucks less than, I imagine, working in overwhelmed emergency services.

All the usual tropes spilling out"

Because nothing has changed and it's all still true.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wearing a mask sucks.

It sucks less than Covid for many people. Including long Covid and stuff that hasn't emerged from that yet.

It sucks less than, I imagine, working in overwhelmed emergency services.

All the usual tropes spilling out"

Yeah I know what you mean, sick of seeing the same "we weren't told to wear masks before" and "the mortality rate is less than 0.whatever%" arguments

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Milk from a cow I presume you mean. Do you know how much a female cow suffers?

Milk contains bacteria actually some people are diary free it makes them very ill.

No one at school bothered to look after milk. I drank it warm. Made me ill.

Tap water makes you ill. I had legionnaires.

So many things make us ill.

How many years you cough?

Hay fever

A cold... The symptoms for covid cover so many things.

I have flu once. I sweated it out with fluids. I was not contagious did not have to be herded, mask wearing, every time you cough are covid diseased, no.

They say disease, they say pandemic. They make every death say Covid.

I've read Dark Winter operation

I have researched Event 201 and Operation CYGNUS and looked at preparedness meetings by the government and NHS.

I've worked with vulnerable people they all have lung problems, difficulty breathing, cough, nothing wrong with taste buds.

If saliva is contagious best not kiss.

If droplets from your nose are contagious... Best not have meets but folk on here do meet for a shag. Not me.

This is my opinion.

Bread does too. Green fungi on bread.

Hidden bacteria on and in your house. Dust is contagious. I am off to dust off contagious theories. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So you can't see it so it's not real?

Good to know.

Given the Tories have recently called trying to get hungry children fed "virtue signalling", I think we should take it for the badge of honour that it is.

Who said it isn't real ?

The OP says it's exaggerated.

It's got an IFR of 0.03 for under 70 year olds, for anybody under 21 it's less deadlier than influenza.

It's definitely a problematic novel Corona virus, the Spanish flu it isn't.

How best can we continue with a relatively normal life while balancing the risks to the small amount of vulnerable is a reasonable question.

Do you know that mortality isn't the only bad outcome from disease?

Do you know that vulnerable people run into the millions, and locking them in their homes forever is a) not entirely effective, and b) cruel?"

I'm a libertarian,I don't wish to lock anybody up, I think people should be given as much help as possible for them to take as much risk and actions as they feel fit.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Wearing a mask sucks.

It sucks less than Covid for many people. Including long Covid and stuff that hasn't emerged from that yet.

It sucks less than, I imagine, working in overwhelmed emergency services.

All the usual tropes spilling out

Yeah I know what you mean, sick of seeing the same "we weren't told to wear masks before" and "the mortality rate is less than 0.whatever%" arguments

The vulnerable should just be locked up forever

There's no vaccine for flu

It's a type of flu

They're destroying the economy

Suicide rates/ cancer patients (but conveniently not how mental health is harmed by a raging pandemic or how those with cancer are at increased risk of catching things)

Natural herd immunity

1984

Etc

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"So you can't see it so it's not real?

Good to know.

Given the Tories have recently called trying to get hungry children fed "virtue signalling", I think we should take it for the badge of honour that it is.

Who said it isn't real ?

The OP says it's exaggerated.

It's got an IFR of 0.03 for under 70 year olds, for anybody under 21 it's less deadlier than influenza.

It's definitely a problematic novel Corona virus, the Spanish flu it isn't.

How best can we continue with a relatively normal life while balancing the risks to the small amount of vulnerable is a reasonable question.

Do you know that mortality isn't the only bad outcome from disease?

Do you know that vulnerable people run into the millions, and locking them in their homes forever is a) not entirely effective, and b) cruel?

I'm a libertarian,I don't wish to lock anybody up, I think people should be given as much help as possible for them to take as much risk and actions as they feel fit."

So if you're ok you're ok and if you're not you have to make terrible decisions and hope for the best?

I think that's barbaric.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

Milk from a cow I presume you mean. Do you know how much a female cow suffers?

Milk contains bacteria actually some people are diary free it makes them very ill.

No one at school bothered to look after milk. I drank it warm. Made me ill.

Tap water makes you ill. I had legionnaires.

So many things make us ill.

How many years you cough?

Hay fever

A cold... The symptoms for covid cover so many things.

I have flu once. I sweated it out with fluids. I was not contagious did not have to be herded, mask wearing, every time you cough are covid diseased, no.

They say disease, they say pandemic. They make every death say Covid.

I've read Dark Winter operation

I have researched Event 201 and Operation CYGNUS and looked at preparedness meetings by the government and NHS.

I've worked with vulnerable people they all have lung problems, difficulty breathing, cough, nothing wrong with taste buds.

If saliva is contagious best not kiss.

If droplets from your nose are contagious... Best not have meets but folk on here do meet for a shag. Not me.

This is my opinion.

Bread does too. Green fungi on bread.

Hidden bacteria on and in your house. Dust is contagious. I am off to dust off contagious theories. "

You need to spend an afternoon using Google to educate yourself on bacteria and viruses maybe ?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Milk from a cow I presume you mean. Do you know how much a female cow suffers?

Milk contains bacteria actually some people are diary free it makes them very ill.

No one at school bothered to look after milk. I drank it warm. Made me ill.

Tap water makes you ill. I had legionnaires.

So many things make us ill.

How many years you cough?

Hay fever

A cold... The symptoms for covid cover so many things.

I have flu once. I sweated it out with fluids. I was not contagious did not have to be herded, mask wearing, every time you cough are covid diseased, no.

They say disease, they say pandemic. They make every death say Covid.

I've read Dark Winter operation

I have researched Event 201 and Operation CYGNUS and looked at preparedness meetings by the government and NHS.

I've worked with vulnerable people they all have lung problems, difficulty breathing, cough, nothing wrong with taste buds.

If saliva is contagious best not kiss.

If droplets from your nose are contagious... Best not have meets but folk on here do meet for a shag. Not me.

This is my opinion.

Bread does too. Green fungi on bread.

Hidden bacteria on and in your house. Dust is contagious. I am off to dust off contagious theories.

You need to spend an afternoon using Google to educate yourself on bacteria and viruses maybe ?"

And how we manage a lot of these after decades of research, which by definition isn't possible in something which has only been in humans for a year

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"The point is? It takes an enormous effort to keep all of our services working and that rising infection levels aren't so much of an issue really?

I am terrible at getting a point across, no neither of those

Don't worry! The threads got lots of space and we all struggle to get our meaning across sometimes

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The point isnt to deny its existence, that is plain to see, nor to debate mask wearing or not, everyone with half a brain on both sides are perfectly capable of researching into their given thoughts on it without having to resort to insults or trying to pull the stupid card on the other. The point, if I have one at all is probably more down to free thought and being willing or able to even begin to see anothers point in this. I like to take a side in a debate that is opposite to the one I hold just to really get an idea of the situation. Would it hurt for the people who are really vocal against an idea to just take the other side. We wont tell anyone and you can still wear a mask but just even think from a viewpoint that isnt your own and then you may not have to call us stupid. Now thats me being patronising and I am off to have MY dinner.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Would it hurt for the people who are really vocal against an idea to just take the other side."

I've tried, I really have, and yes, it does hurt to try to divorce myself from reality, evidence, and the suffering of others

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Milk from a cow I presume you mean. Do you know how much a female cow suffers?

Milk contains bacteria actually some people are diary free it makes them very ill.

No one at school bothered to look after milk. I drank it warm. Made me ill.

Tap water makes you ill. I had legionnaires.

So many things make us ill.

How many years you cough?

Hay fever

A cold... The symptoms for covid cover so many things.

I have flu once. I sweated it out with fluids. I was not contagious did not have to be herded, mask wearing, every time you cough are covid diseased, no.

They say disease, they say pandemic. They make every death say Covid.

I've read Dark Winter operation

I have researched Event 201 and Operation CYGNUS and looked at preparedness meetings by the government and NHS.

I've worked with vulnerable people they all have lung problems, difficulty breathing, cough, nothing wrong with taste buds.

If saliva is contagious best not kiss.

If droplets from your nose are contagious... Best not have meets but folk on here do meet for a shag. Not me.

This is my opinion.

Bread does too. Green fungi on bread.

Hidden bacteria on and in your house. Dust is contagious. I am off to dust off contagious theories.

You need to spend an afternoon using Google to educate yourself on bacteria and viruses maybe ?

And how we manage a lot of these after decades of research, which by definition isn't possible in something which has only been in humans for a year"

Viruses and their effects on humams are well known and follow predictable patterns. Coronaviruses are not new....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OP you eat bloody quick..

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By *heStockingtoppsCouple over a year ago

Stourbridge

Totally, completely and absolutely agree with the OP.. these "hide behind the sofa" tut tutters can only exercise such nonsense at the expense of others who, amongst the shelf stackers and delivery drivers, are existing on the minimum wage. Shame !

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Milk from a cow I presume you mean. Do you know how much a female cow suffers?

Milk contains bacteria actually some people are diary free it makes them very ill.

No one at school bothered to look after milk. I drank it warm. Made me ill.

Tap water makes you ill. I had legionnaires.

So many things make us ill.

How many years you cough?

Hay fever

A cold... The symptoms for covid cover so many things.

I have flu once. I sweated it out with fluids. I was not contagious did not have to be herded, mask wearing, every time you cough are covid diseased, no.

They say disease, they say pandemic. They make every death say Covid.

I've read Dark Winter operation

I have researched Event 201 and Operation CYGNUS and looked at preparedness meetings by the government and NHS.

I've worked with vulnerable people they all have lung problems, difficulty breathing, cough, nothing wrong with taste buds.

If saliva is contagious best not kiss.

If droplets from your nose are contagious... Best not have meets but folk on here do meet for a shag. Not me.

This is my opinion.

Bread does too. Green fungi on bread.

Hidden bacteria on and in your house. Dust is contagious. I am off to dust off contagious theories.

You need to spend an afternoon using Google to educate yourself on bacteria and viruses maybe ?

And how we manage a lot of these after decades of research, which by definition isn't possible in something which has only been in humans for a year

Viruses and their effects on humams are well known and follow predictable patterns. Coronaviruses are not new...."

And they're understudied and this one doesn't behave entirely like others.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Would it hurt for the people who are really vocal against an idea to just take the other side.

I've tried, I really have, and yes, it does hurt to try to divorce myself from reality, evidence, and the suffering of others "

Thats they joy of it, there is plenty of evidence and reality and even suffering on the other side too

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"OP you eat bloody quick.."

*talks with mouthfull

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"So you can't see it so it's not real?

Good to know.

Given the Tories have recently called trying to get hungry children fed "virtue signalling", I think we should take it for the badge of honour that it is.

Who said it isn't real ?

The OP says it's exaggerated.

It's got an IFR of 0.03 for under 70 year olds, for anybody under 21 it's less deadlier than influenza.

It's definitely a problematic novel Corona virus, the Spanish flu it isn't.

How best can we continue with a relatively normal life while balancing the risks to the small amount of vulnerable is a reasonable question.

Do you know that mortality isn't the only bad outcome from disease?

Do you know that vulnerable people run into the millions, and locking them in their homes forever is a) not entirely effective, and b) cruel?

I'm a libertarian,I don't wish to lock anybody up, I think people should be given as much help as possible for them to take as much risk and actions as they feel fit."

Imposing a libertarian lifestyle as you outlined, would mean that those least informed and able to make accurate risk assessments would be lambs to the slaughter. That's why we have state expertise, legislation etc, so those with it guide the rest of us and we can get on with enjoying our lives, without having to be experts in everything.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Totally, completely and absolutely agree with the OP.. these "hide behind the sofa" tut tutters can only exercise such nonsense at the expense of others who, amongst the shelf stackers and delivery drivers, are existing on the minimum wage. Shame !"

So because I think this is serious I have no compassion for essential workers and am doing nothing to help?

... That's a stretch

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Would it hurt for the people who are really vocal against an idea to just take the other side.

I've tried, I really have, and yes, it does hurt to try to divorce myself from reality, evidence, and the suffering of others

Thats they joy of it, there is plenty of evidence and reality and even suffering on the other side too"

Suffering yes.

Evidence and reality... Provide some and I'll look

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Phew thankyou. People describe it so much better than me, I should stop writing

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Would it hurt for the people who are really vocal against an idea to just take the other side.

I've tried, I really have, and yes, it does hurt to try to divorce myself from reality, evidence, and the suffering of others

Thats they joy of it, there is plenty of evidence and reality and even suffering on the other side too

Suffering yes.

Evidence and reality... Provide some and I'll look

I would have to give you my email address or post something out to you snailmail! I have plenty though that me even looking in from the opposite or even totally neutral side can agree with.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

And another classic example of how in this time gross misconceptions become the norm..

Is that which your wrongly assuming not exactly what the op is saying is not helpful..?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Would it hurt for the people who are really vocal against an idea to just take the other side.

I've tried, I really have, and yes, it does hurt to try to divorce myself from reality, evidence, and the suffering of others

Thats they joy of it, there is plenty of evidence and reality and even suffering on the other side too

Suffering yes.

Evidence and reality... Provide some and I'll look

I would have to give you my email address or post something out to you snailmail! I have plenty though that me even looking in from the opposite or even totally neutral side can agree with. "

The scientific consensus says this is real and serious and failing therapeutics or vaccines, distancing lowers transmission.

You can provide names of things to look up. Given the explosive nature of such findings, paradigm shifting, I'm certain that it'll have had a lot of academic attention and been published in one or more prestigious peer reviewed journals.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They are different kind of masks and you know full well they are.

I would challenge any one in these forums to do my job for a week and wear a mask doing it."

I’ve spent up to 16 hrs a day wearing hard PPE, fit masks, visors, gowns, double gloves whilst lifting patients, carrying oxygen bottles etc... I’d happily put money on the fact I could do a week wearing a losing fitting non medical mask and run up a few ladders. I actually think it sounds pretty fucking breezy.

Whatever happened to Men in this country?

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By *tephanjMan over a year ago

Kettering

I worked through the whole lockdown I'm not a keyworker I'm just a bloody security officer. Coming face to face with people who won't wear masks or keep their distance. In low paid and my bosses just worked from home and didn't give a white about me. Now all the suggestions made early in the pandemic to them that I was told we don't need have suddenly appeared, as they are no longer working from home grr

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

They are different kind of masks and you know full well they are.

I would challenge any one in these forums to do my job for a week and wear a mask doing it.

Whatever happened to Men in this country?

They think cloth on their face is icky going into Tesco so we should let it rip.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I worked through the whole lockdown I'm not a keyworker I'm just a bloody security officer. Coming face to face with people who won't wear masks or keep their distance. In low paid and my bosses just worked from home and didn't give a white about me. Now all the suggestions made early in the pandemic to them that I was told we don't need have suddenly appeared, as they are no longer working from home grr"

I feel your pain, we had weeks of walking about the wards in the early months just laughing at what we’d been given for personal protection.

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By *oastGentMan over a year ago

Tynemouth

Tried a few times to work out exactly what OP’s point is. I’ve still not a clue!

Incredible how such a poorly worded brain fart can generate such a lengthy discussion!!!

It’s almost as if a group of people, none of whom are fully certain of any facts about the subject, are just emptying their unqualified opinions all over an Internet forum. Swiftly followed by other people who also equally don’t know what they’re talking about, but want the last word regardless!!!

Most of the people on this forum are just anonymously shouting into the void of the internet. Arguing with strangers who have as little correct opinions as themselves. It’s absolutely mind boggling to watch.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So you can't see it so it's not real?

Good to know.

Given the Tories have recently called trying to get hungry children fed "virtue signalling", I think we should take it for the badge of honour that it is.

Who said it isn't real ?

The OP says it's exaggerated.

It's got an IFR of 0.03 for under 70 year olds, for anybody under 21 it's less deadlier than influenza.

It's definitely a problematic novel Corona virus, the Spanish flu it isn't.

How best can we continue with a relatively normal life while balancing the risks to the small amount of vulnerable is a reasonable question.

Do you know that mortality isn't the only bad outcome from disease?

Do you know that vulnerable people run into the millions, and locking them in their homes forever is a) not entirely effective, and b) cruel?

I'm a libertarian,I don't wish to lock anybody up, I think people should be given as much help as possible for them to take as much risk and actions as they feel fit.

That's the beauty of libertarianism, it doest require imposing unlike most other political ideologies.

I don't think people need to be expert engineers to run a car, basic simple advice with financial help where required and maybe a temporary state run system for essentials being delivered.

Although to be honest, I work for the state, I wouldn't trust them to run anything that well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tried a few times to work out exactly what OP’s point is. I’ve still not a clue!

Incredible how such a poorly worded brain fart can generate such a lengthy discussion!!!

And yet you joined in!

It's like you know better and what to tell us you know better but don't want to belittle your great intellect with such triviality.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tried a few times to work out exactly what OP’s point is. I’ve still not a clue!

Incredible how such a poorly worded brain fart can generate such a lengthy discussion!!!

Nailed it

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

I am yes

So what part of your job could you not do without wearing a mask?

Mine all of it I run up and down roofs 6 days a week.

Heavy manual work."

Yes there are many types of job where it is difficult and perhaps even dangerous to wear a mask. Which makes it even more important for those of us who can wear a mask to do it, to help protect the people who cannot. It also makes it important for employers to do what they can to help keep their employees safe, which might involve installing safety screens, or adjusting distances between workers. It might mean that where people have to work as a small team, efforts are made to keep the same people in each team, instead of continuously swapping around.

The responsibility is also there for the government to aid employers, so that they can afford to keep their employees safe.

All of this is why some of us get angry with those who refuse to wear a mask not for any important reason, but because it smudges their makeup or because it's "a conspiracy". I wear a mask when I'm near other people, because not all of those people can wear a mask. The shopper who won't wear a mask, or just wears it as a chin bib, is insulting the shop workers who are doing a bloody good job, what has actually become a dangerous job, of helping to keep the nation fed.

Essential workers have made huge efforts to keep everything going; it is only common courtesy for the rest of us make what effort we can.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Tried a few times to work out exactly what OP’s point is. I’ve still not a clue!

Incredible how such a poorly worded brain fart can generate such a lengthy discussion!!!

And yet you joined in!

It's like you know better and what to tell us you know better but don't want to belittle your great intellect with such triviality.

I find myself in the strange position of partly agreeing ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They are different kind of masks and you know full well they are.

I would challenge any one in these forums to do my job for a week and wear a mask doing it.

Whatever happened to Men in this country?

Run up a few ladders lol ok.

Haha hahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha.

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By *oastGentMan over a year ago

Tynemouth

"And yet you joined in!

It's like you know better and what to tell us you know better but don't want to belittle your great intellect with such triviality.

It seems that’s absolutely the case, yes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Libertarians are mostly cunts, whose only real concern is for themselves.

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By *LAchillesMan over a year ago

Aylesbury

But you’re not real.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real. "

It's a bot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Libertarians are mostly cunts, whose only real concern is for themselves."

Language Timothy

Most people's "real concerns" is for themselves, family and friends, that's a product of biology and evolution.

However what can benefit one person can also benefit many, it's a shared sense of a goal.

The opposite of a libertarian is of course a authoritarian, most people are in the middle ground where they want liberty but need authority.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Tried a few times to work out exactly what OP’s point is. I’ve still not a clue!

Incredible how such a poorly worded brain fart can generate such a lengthy discussion!!!

I take great offence at that. I didnt know I needed a qualification to have an opinion. What is the correct opinion, assuming you are suitably qualified to tell us

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe. "

Chance would be a fine thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"Tried a few times to work out exactly what OP’s point is. I’ve still not a clue!

Incredible how such a poorly worded brain fart can generate such a lengthy discussion!!!

I take great offence at that. I didnt know I needed a qualification to have an opinion. What is the correct opinion, assuming you are suitably qualified to tell us

my opinion sometimes less words has more meaning

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Tried a few times to work out exactly what OP’s point is. I’ve still not a clue!

Incredible how such a poorly worded brain fart can generate such a lengthy discussion!!!

I take great offence at that. I didnt know I needed a qualification to have an opinion. What is the correct opinion, assuming you are suitably qualified to tell us

my opinion sometimes less words has more meaning"

That little gem censorship

Got it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

I'm not sure Im suitably qualified to say if my bottom is lovely. I hazard a guess at yes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

I'm not sure Im suitably qualified to say if my bottom is lovely. I hazard a guess at yes. "

Peachy?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

Just as well then innit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

Just as well then innit.

Who let you out of the cellar?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

Just as well then innit.

Who let you out of the cellar?

Oh dear.

I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me on here, nor even to like me, but engaging in personal insults after what, to me at least, was a bit of lighthearted banter, is a step too far don't you think?

I'm not going to stoop to your level by responding in kind, as I've no wish to derail this thread any further, so you crack on if you wish. I'm out of here.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"Tried a few times to work out exactly what OP’s point is. I’ve still not a clue!

Incredible how such a poorly worded brain fart can generate such a lengthy discussion!!!

I take great offence at that. I didnt know I needed a qualification to have an opinion. What is the correct opinion, assuming you are suitably qualified to tell us

my opinion sometimes less words has more meaning

That little gem censorship

Got it. "

Not in the slightest

Keep it simple make your point

Too many words the point gets lost

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her."

Definately

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

Definately

I am against human trafficking.

What's the other side of that debate?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

Just as well then innit.

Who let you out of the cellar?

Oh dear.

I'm not going to stoop to your level by responding in kind, as I've no wish to derail this thread any further, so you crack on if you wish. I'm out of here.

Fair enough

But for the record that was a light hearted joke on normally seeing you in the politics forum...which I refer to as either downstairs or the cellar.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

Just as well then innit.

Who let you out of the cellar?

Oh dear.

I'm not going to stoop to your level by responding in kind, as I've no wish to derail this thread any further, so you crack on if you wish. I'm out of here.

Fair enough

But for the record that was a light hearted joke on normally seeing you in the politics forum...which I refer to as either downstairs or the cellar."

Is there wine in the cellar?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

Just as well then innit.

Who let you out of the cellar?

Oh dear.

I'm not going to stoop to your level by responding in kind, as I've no wish to derail this thread any further, so you crack on if you wish. I'm out of here.

Fair enough

But for the record that was a light hearted joke on normally seeing you in the politics forum...which I refer to as either downstairs or the cellar.

Is there wine in the cellar? "

I dont drink so feck knows..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

Just as well then innit.

Who let you out of the cellar?

Oh dear.

I'm not going to stoop to your level by responding in kind, as I've no wish to derail this thread any further, so you crack on if you wish. I'm out of here.

Fair enough

But for the record that was a light hearted joke on normally seeing you in the politics forum...which I refer to as either downstairs or the cellar.

Is there wine in the cellar?

I dont drink so feck knows.."

More for me

Could you direct me to the cellar please

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But you’re not real.

It's a bot

A spanked bot maybe.

Chance would be a fine thing.

Oh I think I could whip up the energy

Sorry luv, but you're not my type.

It was aimed at the bot...she might just might have a bottom I fancy..you on the other hand doesnt

Just as well then innit.

Who let you out of the cellar?

Oh dear.

I'm not going to stoop to your level by responding in kind, as I've no wish to derail this thread any further, so you crack on if you wish. I'm out of here.

Fair enough

But for the record that was a light hearted joke on normally seeing you in the politics forum...which I refer to as either downstairs or the cellar.

Is there wine in the cellar?

I dont drink so feck knows..

More for me

Could you direct me to the cellar please

15 floors down from here

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Tried a few times to work out exactly what OP’s point is. I’ve still not a clue!

Incredible how such a poorly worded brain fart can generate such a lengthy discussion!!!

I take great offence at that. I didnt know I needed a qualification to have an opinion. What is the correct opinion, assuming you are suitably qualified to tell us

my opinion sometimes less words has more meaning

That little gem censorship

Got it.

Not in the slightest

Keep it simple make your point

Too many words the point gets lost"

Editing isnt my strong point either

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I take it she is saying that some like to stay at home and shout wear a fucking mask.

Some have to go out and make a living and get on with it.

She is saying there are 2 sides to every debate without calling people idiots and I fully agree with her.

Definately

I am against human trafficking.

What's the other side of that debate?"

The traffickers presumably. I would struggle to debate their cause mind.

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By *iger4uWoman over a year ago

In my happy place

I didnt panic buy.

Took my place in the queues to get shopping for my mum.

Ive never stopped working through this.

My table is my office.

Not gone mad online ordering.

But starting to as my work days are getting longer and and darker, and ive had to order online.

People need work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They are different kind of masks and you know full well they are.

I would challenge any one in these forums to do my job for a week and wear a mask doing it.

Whatever happened to Men in this country?

Run up a few ladders lol ok.

Haha hahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha. "

I’ve done the Eiger with a fleece buff covering my lower face... I just don’t think I‘m feeling the agony you associate with a small square of cotton hunni x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They are different kind of masks and you know full well they are.

I would challenge any one in these forums to do my job for a week and wear a mask doing it.

Whatever happened to Men in this country?

Run up a few ladders lol ok.

Haha hahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha.

I’ve done the Eiger with a fleece buff covering my lower face... I just don’t think I‘m feeling the agony you associate with a small square of cotton hunni x"

No agony here .

There is no requirement to where a mask in my job.

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