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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Their vaccine seems to be "working perfectly by safely triggering a strong immune response" according to a new study by the University of Bristol. Not sure if I'm allowed to post links but a quick Google will lead you to many articles by leading media publications 
Good news then!  (revelling in it for a bit before the inevitable anti-vaxxers come along to spoil it) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Their vaccine seems to be "working perfectly by safely triggering a strong immune response" according to a new study by the University of Bristol. Not sure if I'm allowed to post links but a quick Google will lead you to many articles by leading media publications
Good news then! (revelling in it for a bit before the inevitable anti-vaxxers come along to spoil it) "
Very good news, |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Good news indeed and a great article in the papers today from professor Hugh Pennington a man who knows what he is talking about.
Which papers?"
Daily Express |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Good news indeed and a great article in the papers today from professor Hugh Pennington a man who knows what he is talking about.
Which papers?
Daily Express"
Found it, thank you.  |
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"Their vaccine seems to be "working perfectly by safely triggering a strong immune response" according to a new study by the University of Bristol. Not sure if I'm allowed to post links but a quick Google will lead you to many articles by leading media publications
Good news then! (revelling in it for a bit before the inevitable anti-vaxxers come along to spoil it) "
Fingers crossed. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Their vaccine seems to be "working perfectly by safely triggering a strong immune response" according to a new study by the University of Bristol. Not sure if I'm allowed to post links but a quick Google will lead you to many articles by leading media publications
Good news then! (revelling in it for a bit before the inevitable anti-vaxxers come along to spoil it) "
Have heard this very encouraging |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack! |
"Why do we need a vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% infection fatality rate? Vaccines have their own risk factors as well."
We need one to prevent many more people ending up with conditions that have arisen or may yet to arise as a result of having Covid19. We may well not know these conditions for many years yet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why do we need a vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% infection fatality rate? Vaccines have their own risk factors as well."
I'll take it you won't be getting it then. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why do we need a vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% infection fatality rate? Vaccines have their own risk factors as well."
..you are not going to be forced to take it, leaves more for those who want it
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"Why do we need a vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% infection fatality rate? Vaccines have their own risk factors as well."
Where is your 0.14% derived from?
Looking at the base of the UK figures, an imperial study for people who had tested positive for antibodies in August showed that an estimated 6% of the population had been infected. Around this time the excess deaths figure for the year was around 50,000. My back of a fag packet maths shows that's a death rate a little over 1%, which would equate to around 700,000 total deaths if everyone was to catch it |
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"Why do we need a vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% infection fatality rate? Vaccines have their own risk factors as well."
7 months in and still some people don't seem to get it! They don't understand why this isn't like the flu. They don't understand it's not just about fatality rates. They don't seem to understand R rate and the consequences of exponential growth.
What are these "risks"? From WHO.
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CLAIM: "Vaccines cause many harmful side effects, illnesses, and even death - not to mention possible long-term effects we don't even know about."
Vaccines are actually very safe, despite implications to the contrary in many anti-vaccine publications. Most vaccine adverse events are minor and temporary, such as a sore arm or mild fever. These can often be controlled by taking paracetamol after vaccination. More serious adverse events occur rarely (on the order of one per thousands to one per millions of doses), and some are so rare that risk cannot be accurately assessed. As for vaccines causing death, again so few deaths can plausibly be attributed to vaccines that it is hard to assess the risk statistically. Each death reported to ministries of health is generally thoroughly examined to assess whether it is really related to administration of vaccine, and if so, what exactly is the cause. When, after careful investigation, an event is felt to be a genuine vaccine-related event, it is most frequently found to be a programmatic error, not related to vaccine manufacture.
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So basically, 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 1,000,000+ presents serious side effects.
There are 8,330 in hospital at the moment due to covid. I'd say that's quite serious. There's probably about 500,000 to 1,000,000 people in the UK who currently have covid (Based this on the estimate of 90,000 new cases a day which is perfectly possible with 20k testing positive).
So, 1 in 120 people with covid are in hospital. I think i'd take my chances with the vaccine vs covid... |
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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago
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Really don't understand why discussion about vaccine finish with fight between people who support vaccine and people who don't support...basically it's really simple, if u like take it, if u don't like leave it, your body, your choice |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why do we need a vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% infection fatality rate? Vaccines have their own risk factors as well.
Where is your 0.14% derived from?
Looking at the base of the UK figures, an imperial study for people who had tested positive for antibodies in August showed that an estimated 6% of the population had been infected. Around this time the excess deaths figure for the year was around 50,000. My back of a fag packet maths shows that's a death rate a little over 1%, which would equate to around 700,000 total deaths if everyone was to catch it "
It's derived from the official mortality rate.
Mortality rate can only be determined after a pandemic because during a pandemic you don't know who will still get infected.
Mortality rate is a mixture of "deadlines" and contagiousness.
Case Fatality Ratio on the other hand tells you the number of recoveries vs the number of deaths. So far we have 31,501,469 recoveries and 1,151,145 deaths, giving a CFR of 4%.
Applying that to a population of 7.8 billion people gives you 312 million people.
Why should we be concerned about that? So silly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Really don't understand why discussion about vaccine finish with fight between people who support vaccine and people who don't support...basically it's really simple, if u like take it, if u don't like leave it, your body, your choice "
Except the person you spread it to has NO choice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Their vaccine seems to be "working perfectly by safely triggering a strong immune response" according to a new study by the University of Bristol. Not sure if I'm allowed to post links but a quick Google will lead you to many articles by leading media publications
Good news then! (revelling in it for a bit before the inevitable anti-vaxxers come along to spoil it) "
Excellent news. The best part about it is that my health will be in the hands of someone who provides medicine for a living instead of the guy next to me who would kill his own grandmother for an afternoon at the pub |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine  "
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose? |
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?"
For the record I’m not anti vaccine.
What would be your solution for anti vaxxers then?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
For the record I’m not anti vaccine.
What would be your solution for anti vaxxers then?
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You weren't asking me...but maybe we could lock then away until this all got sorted eh  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
For the record I’m not anti vaccine.
What would be your solution for anti vaxxers then?
You weren't asking me...but maybe we could lock then away until this all got sorted eh "
When I was a child smallpox vaccinations weren't compulsory. But if you wanted to travel you needed them.
In some parts of the USA you jave the right not to vaccinate your children, but then you have to home school them.
The solution is education. I still haven't come across a rational argument against vaccination. All I've ever heard are urban legends. |
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
For the record I’m not anti vaccine.
What would be your solution for anti vaxxers then?
You weren't asking me...but maybe we could lock then away until this all got sorted eh
When I was a child smallpox vaccinations weren't compulsory. But if you wanted to travel you needed them.
In some parts of the USA you jave the right not to vaccinate your children, but then you have to home school them.
The solution is education. I still haven't come across a rational argument against vaccination. All I've ever heard are urban legends. "
Australia has "no jab, no play" (an echo of childhood sun safety: at school, no hat, no play. If you didn't bring it, you can sit in the shade while your friends play) |
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
For the record I’m not anti vaccine.
What would be your solution for anti vaxxers then?
You weren't asking me...but maybe we could lock then away until this all got sorted eh
When I was a child smallpox vaccinations weren't compulsory. But if you wanted to travel you needed them.
In some parts of the USA you jave the right not to vaccinate your children, but then you have to home school them.
The solution is education. I still haven't come across a rational argument against vaccination. All I've ever heard are urban legends. "
I think if people except the inherent risks of things like travel curtailment then realistically there is not much that can be done over people exercising body agency. Covid is here to stay it seems and we will have to live with it. Hopefully there will be the necessary amount of people who will take it. |
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I think people really misunderstand the relative risks of vaccines versus the diseases they are designed to prevent or reduce. Or the relative risks of vaccines versus any other medication. Vaccines are held to incredibly high standards and yet they get way more crap than a lot of stuff which probably wouldn't be approved as safe today but is grandfathered in (paracetamol, alcohol). |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?"
What you mean like abortion? |
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"Maybe we should go the new Zealand route and put those who don't want the vaccine in camps indefinitely. ...definitely"
And without internet so they don't spout their tripe..
Give them access to wank fodder like qanon and David Icke nut job TV.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
What you mean like abortion?"
Oh here we go... So much for being a libertarian  |
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
What you mean like abortion?
Oh here we go... So much for being a libertarian "
I would have thought abortion was a perfect libertarian issue. No, someone does not have the right to use my body without my consent |
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"Why do we need a vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% infection fatality rate? Vaccines have their own risk factors as well."
Here we go. Did you do well in the sciences at GCSE level out of interest? |
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"Why do we need a vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% infection fatality rate? Vaccines have their own risk factors as well.
Here we go. Did you do well in the sciences at GCSE level out of interest? "
Lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Children. Children. Why does everyone not just grow up and accept this is good news in otherwise gloomy times. Lets all grow a pair shall we and move on. |
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"We play too much with our bodies and pump too much stuff inside.....I know we need vaccines but fgs..... just let nature do its course....."
What, and let people die and suffer untold long term disability?
Should we stop other vaccinations too? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Life expectancy has increased massively in the western world due to medical interventions and here we are having some very thick people trying to go back to the 19th century "
Omg couldn't have put it better |
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"We play too much with our bodies and pump too much stuff inside.....I know we need vaccines but fgs..... just let nature do its course....."
I can appreciate not having lip fillers. The vaccines that we have will have saved many lives, perhaps including your own. Would you be happy to see a loved one lose some healthy life, by denying them care? |
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"We play too much with our bodies and pump too much stuff inside.....I know we need vaccines but fgs..... just let nature do its course....."
If nature had taken it's course the virus would still be in bats and not humans the way it always was, we fucked up we have to fix it. |
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"Why do we need a vaccine for a disease with a 0.14% infection fatality rate? Vaccines have their own risk factors as well.
Here we go. Did you do well in the sciences at GCSE level out of interest? "
Certainly didn't get an A* in maths lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
What you mean like abortion?
Oh here we go... So much for being a libertarian "
Personally I've got no problems with abortion, it's a personal decision made by people in a tricky situation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We play too much with our bodies and pump too much stuff inside.....I know we need vaccines but fgs..... just let nature do its course.....
If nature had taken it's course the virus would still be in bats and not humans the way it always was, we fucked up we have to fix it."
Theres literally no evidence that this virus came from bats, now put your tin foil hat unless you've got peer reviewed evidence suggesting it did.
I won't wait because your making shit up as normal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Life expectancy has increased massively in the western world due to medical interventions and here we are having some very thick people trying to go back to the 19th century "
Yes indeed, one of the reasons the West has been hit hardest, we've got an awful lot of susceptibles compared to everybody else because we're doing better in latter health care. |
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"We play too much with our bodies and pump too much stuff inside.....I know we need vaccines but fgs..... just let nature do its course.....
If nature had taken it's course the virus would still be in bats and not humans the way it always was, we fucked up we have to fix it.
Theres literally no evidence that this virus came from bats, now put your tin foil hat unless you've got peer reviewed evidence suggesting it did.
I won't wait because your making shit up as normal."
That's quite literally nonsense, but you're uninterested in data.
A quick search on Google Scholar reveals the research that's been done on the origins of the virus |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
What you mean like abortion?
Oh here we go... So much for being a libertarian
Personally I've got no problems with abortion, it's a personal decision made by people in a tricky situation."
You clearly have though because every word you wrote literally fits with abortion laws?.
I think your a leftist caught in an emotional trap, you don't actually believe in what you write but you want to be seen as noble.
Most leftists at heart are actually libertarian when you get down and pull apart there philosophy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We play too much with our bodies and pump too much stuff inside.....I know we need vaccines but fgs..... just let nature do its course.....
If nature had taken it's course the virus would still be in bats and not humans the way it always was, we fucked up we have to fix it.
Theres literally no evidence that this virus came from bats, now put your tin foil hat unless you've got peer reviewed evidence suggesting it did.
I won't wait because your making shit up as normal.
That's quite literally nonsense, but you're uninterested in data.
A quick search on Google Scholar reveals the research that's been done on the origins of the virus "
Just post your source then?. |
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"We play too much with our bodies and pump too much stuff inside.....I know we need vaccines but fgs..... just let nature do its course.....
If nature had taken it's course the virus would still be in bats and not humans the way it always was, we fucked up we have to fix it.
Theres literally no evidence that this virus came from bats, now put your tin foil hat unless you've got peer reviewed evidence suggesting it did.
I won't wait because your making shit up as normal.
That's quite literally nonsense, but you're uninterested in data.
A quick search on Google Scholar reveals the research that's been done on the origins of the virus
Just post your source then?."
"A quick search on Google Scholar" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Peer reviewed and accepted science though. Otherwise I'm calling you a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist loon for just believing bullshit you've read on Google. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Peer reviewed and accepted science though. Otherwise I'm calling you a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist loon for just believing bullshit you've read on Google.
Cool you do that "
You were so quick to believe it, you must have read it and be able to source that evidence straight away surely?.
Mmmmm I'm beginning to think your making shit up. |
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"Peer reviewed and accepted science though. Otherwise I'm calling you a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist loon for just believing bullshit you've read on Google.
Cool you do that
You were so quick to believe it, you must have read it and be able to source that evidence straight away surely?.
Mmmmm I'm beginning to think your making shit up."
You're |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
What you mean like abortion?
Oh here we go... So much for being a libertarian
Personally I've got no problems with abortion, it's a personal decision made by people in a tricky situation.
You clearly have though because every word you wrote literally fits with abortion laws?.
I think your a leftist caught in an emotional trap, you don't actually believe in what you write but you want to be seen as noble.
Most leftists at heart are actually libertarian when you get down and pull apart there philosophy. "
Apples and oranges. Be careful where you're going with this. There's no need to get personal about such a deeply difficult choice that many women face each day. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Peer reviewed and accepted science though. Otherwise I'm calling you a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist loon for just believing bullshit you've read on Google.
Cool you do that
You were so quick to believe it, you must have read it and be able to source that evidence straight away surely?.
Mmmmm I'm beginning to think your making shit up.
You're"
Your grammar is better than your evidence, I'll give you that |
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"We play too much with our bodies and pump too much stuff inside.....I know we need vaccines but fgs..... just let nature do its course.....
If nature had taken it's course the virus would still be in bats and not humans the way it always was, we fucked up we have to fix it.
Theres literally no evidence that this virus came from bats, now put your tin foil hat unless you've got peer reviewed evidence suggesting it did.
I won't wait because your making shit up as normal.
That's quite literally nonsense, but you're uninterested in data.
A quick search on Google Scholar reveals the research that's been done on the origins of the virus
Just post your source then?."
Fab doesn't allow links to scientific journals. Read into that what you will.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
What you mean like abortion?
Oh here we go... So much for being a libertarian
Personally I've got no problems with abortion, it's a personal decision made by people in a tricky situation.
You clearly have though because every word you wrote literally fits with abortion laws?.
I think your a leftist caught in an emotional trap, you don't actually believe in what you write but you want to be seen as noble.
Most leftists at heart are actually libertarian when you get down and pull apart there philosophy.
Apples and oranges. Be careful where you're going with this. There's no need to get personal about such a deeply difficult choice that many women face each day. "
I didn't get personal with anything but thanks for your concern, I'll bear it in mind |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Peer reviewed and accepted science though. Otherwise I'm calling you a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist loon for just believing bullshit you've read on Google. "
I cited MANY of the journals found on Google Scholar in my uni essays. Shall I phone my old lecturers and tell them to revoke my degree because someone on a swinging forum who thinks everything hosted on Google is hokum? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"[Removed by poster at 24/10/20 23:01:35]"
I clearly wasn't in a conversation with you about this so I've no idea why you've jumped in and then deleted what you wrote.
Unless you've got your profiles mixed up |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"[Removed by poster at 24/10/20 23:01:35]
I clearly wasn't in a conversation with you about this so I've no idea why you've jumped in and then deleted what you wrote.
Unless you've got your profiles mixed up "
It's my thread. If you didn't want a conversation with me you shouldn't have posted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So let's get back to the original claim made by your alert ego that this virus came from bats!.
I asked where's your evidence.
I've still yet to see anything but a load of bollocks about your degree and lecturer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Honestly this should be so easy for you to post a link because you've clearly read lots of peer reviewed science that this virus came from bats before you made that claim!.
Didn't you? |
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"Honestly this should be so easy for you to post a link because you've clearly read lots of peer reviewed science that this virus came from bats before you made that claim!.
Didn't you?"
Just grow up you are acting like a kid not an adult. |
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"Honestly this should be so easy for you to post a link because you've clearly read lots of peer reviewed science that this virus came from bats before you made that claim!.
Didn't you?"
I did.
But as you know, because you've seen these discussions before, posting links is against the rules. And will get you banned. |
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"Honestly this should be so easy for you to post a link because you've clearly read lots of peer reviewed science that this virus came from bats before you made that claim!.
Didn't you?"
Which bit of "Fab from doesn't allow links to scientific journals" wasn't clear? People have had bans for linking to Nature, Science, International Journal of Respiratory Medicine and the like. It won't hurt you to search Scholar yourself. |
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"Honestly this should be so easy for you to post a link because you've clearly read lots of peer reviewed science that this virus came from bats before you made that claim!.
Didn't you?
Which bit of "Fab from doesn't allow links to scientific journals" wasn't clear? People have had bans for linking to Nature, Science, International Journal of Respiratory Medicine and the like. It won't hurt you to search Scholar yourself. "
When they make a claim it's "do your own research, wake up sheeple". When we make a claim they want us to spoon feed them. |
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"Honestly this should be so easy for you to post a link because you've clearly read lots of peer reviewed science that this virus came from bats before you made that claim!.
Didn't you?
Just grow up you are acting like a kid not an adult. "
What for asking for evidence for a massive claim?. |
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"Honestly this should be so easy for you to post a link because you've clearly read lots of peer reviewed science that this virus came from bats before you made that claim!.
Didn't you?
Which bit of "Fab from doesn't allow links to scientific journals" wasn't clear? People have had bans for linking to Nature, Science, International Journal of Respiratory Medicine and the like. It won't hurt you to search Scholar yourself. "
"Fab doesn't allow......." No idea where the extra 'from' came from  |
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"Honestly this should be so easy for you to post a link because you've clearly read lots of peer reviewed science that this virus came from bats before you made that claim!.
Didn't you?
Which bit of "Fab from doesn't allow links to scientific journals" wasn't clear? People have had bans for linking to Nature, Science, International Journal of Respiratory Medicine and the like. It won't hurt you to search Scholar yourself.
"Fab doesn't allow......." No idea where the extra 'from' came from "
Good thing you made a post clearing that up instead of deleting the original the Delete Police would have been on your tail otherwise |
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So three people all confirm there's no evidence that this virus came from bats!.
That's good enough for me.
Goodnight, sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite |
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Didn't you?
Which bit of "Fab from doesn't allow links to scientific journals" wasn't clear? People have had bans for linking to Nature, Science, International Journal of Respiratory Medicine and the like. It won't hurt you to search Scholar yourself.
"Fab doesn't allow......." No idea where the extra 'from' came from
Good thing you made a post clearing that up instead of deleting the original the Delete Police would have been on your tail otherwise "
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"So three people all confirm there's no evidence that this virus came from bats!.
That's good enough for me.
Goodnight, sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite "
Christ. Is your finger that worn out from arguing black is white that you can't do a search on Google Scholar? Probably best you go and rest for fear of you breaking a nail |
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"So three people all confirm there's no evidence that this virus came from bats!.
That's good enough for me.
Goodnight, sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite "
Only two if you're counting my fake profile |
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"So three people all confirm there's no evidence that this virus came from bats!.
That's good enough for me.
Goodnight, sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite
Only two if you're counting my fake profile "
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"Lots of bullshit and still no source.
Night night "
Funny how you were so quick to call me dumb a few posts ago and yet are incapable of understanding that providing the evidence you so crave will result in a ban. Off to bed then, your jumping to conclusions must have worn you out by now |
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"I hope that robust research continues into zoonotic infection"
Maybe some of the researchers could pop on here so people don't have to the harrowing lengths of typing things into Google |
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"I hope that robust research continues into zoonotic infection
Maybe some of the researchers could pop on here so people don't have to the harrowing lengths of typing things into Google "
I heard a great interview with someone involved in an academic charity which does that sort of thing. Sounds fascinating and dangerous |
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"I hope that robust research continues into zoonotic infection
Maybe some of the researchers could pop on here so people don't have to the harrowing lengths of typing things into Google
I heard a great interview with someone involved in an academic charity which does that sort of thing. Sounds fascinating and dangerous"
Sounds stressful! |
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Yada yada yada.
Still no evidence.
Yada yada yada.
Still wasn't he rude asking for evidence.
Yada yada yada.
Why can't he just accept I've got multiple personality syndrome..
Yawn. |
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"I hope that robust research continues into zoonotic infection
Maybe some of the researchers could pop on here so people don't have to the harrowing lengths of typing things into Google
I heard a great interview with someone involved in an academic charity which does that sort of thing. Sounds fascinating and dangerous
Sounds stressful! "
Oh yes. They're upping the level of PPE required to take samples. And worrying about non scientists in bat caves because God knows what they could catch. |
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"I did get two personal messages telling me I'm a twat before blocking me though.
So there's light at the end of tunnel, you leftists are so amazingly compassionate until somebody asks you for evidence on your wild claims. "
Maybe they just know you? |
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"I did get two personal messages telling me I'm a twat before blocking me though.
So there's light at the end of tunnel, you leftists are so amazingly compassionate until somebody asks you for evidence on your wild claims.
Maybe they just know you?"
Doubtful, I've lead a very quiet life up until march |
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"Did it say how long the vaccines last for?"
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that's a really good question.
I caught a late night programme ,midweek ,on the world service radio,a sensible sounding scientist said..(I can only remember the gist of it.. sorry)any vaccine may not be the great thing we think it is.. something to do with a vaccines limited time because of Sars-2 covids particular craftiness..as I say it's only the gist of what he said..made me think .Sorry can't be clearer , thought it was worth mentioning .
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"Not wanting to get into this playground quarrel but I will say that sandman is one of the people who do provide data to support things he says."
Although yet to provide any evidence that he has, in fact, gone to bed. |
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"Did it say how long the vaccines last for?.
that's a really good question.
I caught a late night programme ,midweek ,on the world service radio,a sensible sounding scientist said..(I can only remember the gist of it.. sorry)any vaccine may not be the great thing we think it is.. something to do with a vaccines limited time because of Sars-2 covids particular craftiness..as I say it's only the gist of what he said..made me think .Sorry can't be clearer , thought it was worth mentioning .
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I imagine that those who choose to have the vaccine will probably need regular booster shots, like with pneumonia. Anything is better than nothing though |
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"Did it say how long the vaccines last for?.
that's a really good question.
I caught a late night programme ,midweek ,on the world service radio,a sensible sounding scientist said..(I can only remember the gist of it.. sorry)any vaccine may not be the great thing we think it is.. something to do with a vaccines limited time because of Sars-2 covids particular craftiness..as I say it's only the gist of what he said..made me think .Sorry can't be clearer , thought it was worth mentioning .
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It's a potential issue. It's one of the reasons why so many vaccine candidates are targeting the spike protein, I believe. |
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"Did it say how long the vaccines last for?.
that's a really good question.
I caught a late night programme ,midweek ,on the world service radio,a sensible sounding scientist said..(I can only remember the gist of it.. sorry)any vaccine may not be the great thing we think it is.. something to do with a vaccines limited time because of Sars-2 covids particular craftiness..as I say it's only the gist of what he said..made me think .Sorry can't be clearer , thought it was worth mentioning .
I imagine that those who choose to have the vaccine will probably need regular booster shots, like with pneumonia. Anything is better than nothing though "
The scientists are also talking about first generation vaccines. We need sufficient vaccination to be able to exit the crisis. And hopefully development continues. |
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"Not wanting to get into this playground quarrel but I will say that sandman is one of the people who do provide data to support things he says.
Although yet to provide any evidence that he has, in fact, gone to bed. "
I’m talking about various threads in this forum.
As an aside I was under the impression that they thought it came from pangolins. Who knows |
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Let me be the first to say, I really hope to god the vaccine works and is readily available within a year, all I'm questioning is what's the best way to solve the problem were in while creating the least problems going forward.
Anybody can solve this problem with child like thinking of let's all hide in our wardrobes for a year and hope it goes away or some miracle vaccine will appear, neither are likely so the question remains where do we go from here and how best do we protect those vulnerable to this virus while allowing those that aren't to make money to pay for all this costs. |
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"Did it say how long the vaccines last for?.
that's a really good question.
I caught a late night programme ,midweek ,on the world service radio,a sensible sounding scientist said..(I can only remember the gist of it.. sorry)any vaccine may not be the great thing we think it is.. something to do with a vaccines limited time because of Sars-2 covids particular craftiness..as I say it's only the gist of what he said..made me think .Sorry can't be clearer , thought it was worth mentioning .
It's a potential issue. It's one of the reasons why so many vaccine candidates are targeting the spike protein, I believe. "
Yes according to the Bristol University study, the way the AZ one works is to tell your body how to create the spike proteins, once created the immune system can then recognise and fight the virus should you ever unfortunately be infected with the real thing. |
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"Not wanting to get into this playground quarrel but I will say that sandman is one of the people who do provide data to support things he says.
Although yet to provide any evidence that he has, in fact, gone to bed.
I’m talking about various threads in this forum.
As an aside I was under the impression that they thought it came from pangolins. Who knows "
The evidence I've heard/ read suggests that it came from bats, and may have had an intermediary host before coming into humans. Off the top of my head I think the pangolin theory has fallen out of favour but it's been ages since I've heard anything about it. |
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"Did it say how long the vaccines last for?.
that's a really good question.
I caught a late night programme ,midweek ,on the world service radio,a sensible sounding scientist said..(I can only remember the gist of it.. sorry)any vaccine may not be the great thing we think it is.. something to do with a vaccines limited time because of Sars-2 covids particular craftiness..as I say it's only the gist of what he said..made me think .Sorry can't be clearer , thought it was worth mentioning .
I imagine that those who choose to have the vaccine will probably need regular booster shots, like with pneumonia. Anything is better than nothing though "
Actually I had pneumonia jab this week and was told that it's a one off. The nurse said only people certain liver conditions should need a booster I am not sure if originally people did need boosters but I think that just goes to show they continue to develop so hopefully this vaccine if people do need a booster for the time being will be the same. |
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"My body. My choice.
How about MY choice NOT to be infected by someone else?
You could always take the vaccine
I will. Mostly to protect others. Because I respect their right not to be infected by me.
Freedom only extends so far as the point where your freedom infringes on the freedom of others.
Imagine saying it's my body and if I want to use it to commit murder or any other crime that is my right to choose?
What you mean like abortion?"
No. If I was talking about about abortion I would have said abortion.
I'm talking about murder. When one person uses their body to take another person's life other than in self defence or war etc. Why can't we commit murder? This limitation imposes on our freedom, surely?
I'm driving home the point is that freedom entails responsibility. When the freedom to DO anything entails limiting the freedom of someone else that is not freedom any more.
We have a myriad of laws that protect people from other people's irresponsible behaviour. The Covid-19 restrictions are just more laws to do just that.
The authorities are not to blame for enforcing restrictions. People who have spread the virus are responsible for making these laws neccesary.
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"Maybe we should go the new Zealand route and put those who don't want the vaccine in camps indefinitely. ...definitely
And without internet so they don't spout their tripe..
Give them access to wank fodder like qanon and David Icke nut job TV.. "
I'd go for that.
I'm sick to death of the whole bunch of them. |
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"Honestly this should be so easy for you to post a link because you've clearly read lots of peer reviewed science that this virus came from bats before you made that claim!.
Didn't you?
I did.
But as you know, because you've seen these discussions before, posting links is against the rules. And will get you banned."
It depends on the links |
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Didn't you?
I did.
But as you know, because you've seen these discussions before, posting links is against the rules. And will get you banned.
It depends on the links"
I've been warned for posting links to scientific journals before, in fact I believe by you, so it kinda puts people off. There's not one scientific journal listed in Fab's "accepted links" list. The BBC, Guardian etc are not scientific journals. |
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It's much of a muchness. Searching on Google scholar will get you lots of different results from high impact journals which have been cited many many times. Pubmed will work too.
It's not a contentious claim, and I decided it wasn't worth my effort trying to get my head around the genetic sequence of betacoronaviruses in bats etc for the purposes of this discussion.
As many people who decry the mainstream say, "do your own research". |
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Can people stop attacking others when posting. Also disagreeing with people is obviously fine but when a few people start taking the piss out of that person it looks like ganging up and not very pleasant.
Stick to the subject please |
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"Honestly this should be so easy for you to post a link because you've clearly read lots of peer reviewed science that this virus came from bats before you made that claim!.
Didn't you?
I did.
But as you know, because you've seen these discussions before, posting links is against the rules. And will get you banned.
It depends on the links
I've been warned for posting links to scientific journals before, in fact I believe by you"
Because they are not allowed. If you read the forum rules it explains what is
If you were not banned for it and I put a reminder in a thread then you were not warned, you were reminded of the rules. |
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