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"The King in the North " 
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"ive just looked him up. Shouldnt this be in politics forum" No because what happened today was about the virus..ie tier 3 lockdown... | |||
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"The King in the North
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"The King in the North
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for?" What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! " So he stopped them or did they use him like a she bitch? | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! So he stopped them or did they use him like a she bitch? " It's not Burnham they've used as a bitch, it's the whole of greater Manchester that just got dry bummed | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! So he stopped them or did they use him like a she bitch? " What a she bitch? | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! So he stopped them or did they use him like a she bitch? It's not Burnham they've used as a bitch, it's the whole of greater Manchester that just got dry bummed" Sounds like you have had your own Alamo | |||
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"Because he's a typical labour dickhead "He's a decent chap. The type of person who goes after the truth... | |||
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"He's a decent chap. The type of person who goes after the truth..." Nail on head! | |||
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"who is he" The new face of "Just For Men (Eyebrow Care)" | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! " I am confused... The staff are getting the closure furlough pay and with universal credit that tops the pay up to 80% for the whole closure time.... Thats Rishi's new furlough scheme. Plus the 22 million on top for backing up track and trace etc. I can see he's asked for enough money to last until April but surely if everyone pull their fingers out and in a months time they drop back down to a lower tier they won't need the figure he is talking about and it could go to another tier 3 zone that does need it? | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for?" I think he is trying to protect jobs and businesses and feels that the government's approach is not right. The government needs to apply the same financial support that was available in the national lockdown to the local lockdowns. Nobody should be plunged into hardship because the government is trying to control a virus. Cal | |||
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"He's a decent chap. The type of person who goes after the truth... Nail on head!" Unfortunately, most bashers on here wouldn't have a clue what I meant... | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! I am confused... The staff are getting the closure furlough pay and with universal credit that tops the pay up to 80% for the whole closure time.... Thats Rishi's new furlough scheme. Plus the 22 million on top for backing up track and trace etc. I can see he's asked for enough money to last until April but surely if everyone pull their fingers out and in a months time they drop back down to a lower tier they won't need the figure he is talking about and it could go to another tier 3 zone that does need it?" That is my understanding to. In addition the £60 mil is still on the table that the government offered if he chooses to take it, £5 mil short of what he asked for. | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! I am confused... The staff are getting the closure furlough pay and with universal credit that tops the pay up to 80% for the whole closure time.... Thats Rishi's new furlough scheme. Plus the 22 million on top for backing up track and trace etc. I can see he's asked for enough money to last until April but surely if everyone pull their fingers out and in a months time they drop back down to a lower tier they won't need the figure he is talking about and it could go to another tier 3 zone that does need it?" A fine theory but of any area with additional restrictions applied since the summer, so covering all the tiers, only one has emerged from restrictions....which I believe is Luton. All the rest including Leicester still have restrictions of some sort. | |||
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"60 million offered and he rejected it. He shouldn't play poker if he doesn't know when to fold. Manchester is 60mill less well off as a result so well done AB, a hard lesson learned but you still want to whinge in Westminster and waste time and resources to save face. He reminded me slightly of Arthur Scargill last night on tv. This is not free money either so the bill will need to be paid later. " That money is still there for Manchester. It hasn't been taken away. | |||
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"The King in the North
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Me too "Me to | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for?" Because he and his councillor cronies do not have the brains they were born with. Did anyone see their briefing on TV yesterday, no social distancing and only one mask in sight. The y were standing about 1 to 2 feet apart (standing on 2ft flagstones so easy to see). They then came even closer to read messages on mobile phones. Complete idiots with no concern for anyone! | |||
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"Because he's a typical labour dickhead
He's a decent chap. The type of person who goes after the truth..."Well said Most on here wont get that | |||
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"60 million offered and he rejected it. He shouldn't play poker if he doesn't know when to fold. Manchester is 60mill less well off as a result so well done AB, a hard lesson learned but you still want to whinge in Westminster and waste time and resources to save face. He reminded me slightly of Arthur Scargill last night on tv. This is not free money either so the bill will need to be paid later. That money is still there for Manchester. It hasn't been taken away. " Why hasn't it been given to them? | |||
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"60 million offered and he rejected it. He shouldn't play poker if he doesn't know when to fold. Manchester is 60mill less well off as a result so well done AB, a hard lesson learned but you still want to whinge in Westminster and waste time and resources to save face. He reminded me slightly of Arthur Scargill last night on tv. This is not free money either so the bill will need to be paid later. That money is still there for Manchester. It hasn't been taken away. " It should be .He got greedy and for the sake of 5Million he screwed up. | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? Because he and his councillor cronies do not have the brains they were born with. Did anyone see their briefing on TV yesterday, no social distancing and only one mask in sight. The y were standing about 1 to 2 feet apart (standing on 2ft flagstones so easy to see). They then came even closer to read messages on mobile phones. Complete idiots with no concern for anyone!" 1/2 of them have probably had it already, so don't really care all that much as long as they get their chance to stick the boot in and kick out at the government. Remember it is the scientists that are telling the government what to do or have the covid jack booters on here forgotten about that. | |||
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"60 million offered and he rejected it. He shouldn't play poker if he doesn't know when to fold. Manchester is 60mill less well off as a result so well done AB, a hard lesson learned but you still want to whinge in Westminster and waste time and resources to save face. He reminded me slightly of Arthur Scargill last night on tv. This is not free money either so the bill will need to be paid later. That money is still there for Manchester. It hasn't been taken away. Why hasn't it been given to them?" My understanding is they haven’t accepted it as want £5 mil more | |||
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"60 million offered and he rejected it. He shouldn't play poker if he doesn't know when to fold. Manchester is 60mill less well off as a result so well done AB, a hard lesson learned but you still want to whinge in Westminster and waste time and resources to save face. He reminded me slightly of Arthur Scargill last night on tv. This is not free money either so the bill will need to be paid later. That money is still there for Manchester. It hasn't been taken away. It should be .He got greedy and for the sake of 5Million he screwed up." You realise the money isnt gor himself? | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? Because he and his councillor cronies do not have the brains they were born with. Did anyone see their briefing on TV yesterday, no social distancing and only one mask in sight. The y were standing about 1 to 2 feet apart (standing on 2ft flagstones so easy to see). They then came even closer to read messages on mobile phones. Complete idiots with no concern for anyone! 1/2 of them have probably had it already, so don't really care all that much as long as they get their chance to stick the boot in and kick out at the government. Remember it is the scientists that are telling the government what to do or have the covid jack booters on here forgotten about that." They are preparing to get a deadly virus and put their family in danger,just to prove a point? Rightio. | |||
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"60 million offered and he rejected it. He shouldn't play poker if he doesn't know when to fold. Manchester is 60mill less well off as a result so well done AB, a hard lesson learned but you still want to whinge in Westminster and waste time and resources to save face. He reminded me slightly of Arthur Scargill last night on tv. This is not free money either so the bill will need to be paid later. That money is still there for Manchester. It hasn't been taken away. It should be .He got greedy and for the sake of 5Million he screwed up. You realise the money isnt gor himself?" Oh really ! Ffs.... | |||
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"60 million offered and he rejected it. He shouldn't play poker if he doesn't know when to fold. Manchester is 60mill less well off as a result so well done AB, a hard lesson learned but you still want to whinge in Westminster and waste time and resources to save face. He reminded me slightly of Arthur Scargill last night on tv. This is not free money either so the bill will need to be paid later. " They offered it which was less than what he and his advisors have concluded is required, when the government were told it was not enough they removed it.. They now are playing the game of roll over and we will be a good master.. It is not how they would treat one of their home counties.. | |||
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"So what happens when you don’t fucking qualify for universal credit then? It’s not something that everyone is entitled to- don’t swallow the propaganda message. You have to meet specific criteria to get it and it doesn’t cover mortgage costs and only covers part of the rent - and that’s assuming you qualify in the first place. Have you actually tried living on two thirds of your income? Has “Rishi” ever tried living on universal credit ? His boss says that he can’t manage on the PMs salary.....one rule for the rich and the rest of us get the crumbs that fall off the table. " Being greedy apparently | |||
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"60 million offered and he rejected it. He shouldn't play poker if he doesn't know when to fold. Manchester is 60mill less well off as a result so well done AB, a hard lesson learned but you still want to whinge in Westminster and waste time and resources to save face. He reminded me slightly of Arthur Scargill last night on tv. This is not free money either so the bill will need to be paid later. That money is still there for Manchester. It hasn't been taken away. It should be .He got greedy and for the sake of 5Million he screwed up. You realise the money isnt gor himself? Oh really ! Ffs...." So why he is being greedy then? | |||
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"So what happens when you don’t fucking qualify for universal credit then? It’s not something that everyone is entitled to- don’t swallow the propaganda message. You have to meet specific criteria to get it and it doesn’t cover mortgage costs and only covers part of the rent - and that’s assuming you qualify in the first place. Have you actually tried living on two thirds of your income? Has “Rishi” ever tried living on universal credit ? His boss says that he can’t manage on the PMs salary.....one rule for the rich and the rest of us get the crumbs that fall off the table. " I think people had forgotten about the way the Tories have treated people on any sort of benefit, including disabled people in the last ten years when they voted for them.. Boris sold a pup to certain voters last year and it's when the pressures on as in such times as this that glib clichés such as 'levelling up' become just that.. | |||
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"60 million offered and he rejected it. He shouldn't play poker if he doesn't know when to fold. Manchester is 60mill less well off as a result so well done AB, a hard lesson learned but you still want to whinge in Westminster and waste time and resources to save face. He reminded me slightly of Arthur Scargill last night on tv. This is not free money either so the bill will need to be paid later. That money is still there for Manchester. It hasn't been taken away. It should be .He got greedy and for the sake of 5Million he screwed up. You realise the money isnt gor himself? Oh really ! Ffs.... So why he is being greedy then?" Manchester were given £23m.Proportionate to other tier 3 lockdowns. He wanted £75m. Do the sums ! | |||
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"60 million offered and he rejected it. He shouldn't play poker if he doesn't know when to fold. Manchester is 60mill less well off as a result so well done AB, a hard lesson learned but you still want to whinge in Westminster and waste time and resources to save face. He reminded me slightly of Arthur Scargill last night on tv. This is not free money either so the bill will need to be paid later. That money is still there for Manchester. It hasn't been taken away. It should be .He got greedy and for the sake of 5Million he screwed up. You realise the money isnt gor himself? Oh really ! Ffs.... So why he is being greedy then? Manchester were given £23m.Proportionate to other tier 3 lockdowns. He wanted £75m. Do the sums !" They were often less than Lancashire | |||
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"Burnham is the English Sturgeon or the American Cuomo. Local politicians who hardly matter or get any national attention. But thanks to covid they're in the limelight and loving it. They want their 15 minutes of fame and more. Asks for 65 million, gets 60 and turns it down! Good thing he's not responsible for more than Manchester." Someone who fights for the people he represents. How terrible. | |||
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"Burnham is the English Sturgeon or the American Cuomo. Local politicians who hardly matter or get any national attention. But thanks to covid they're in the limelight and loving it. They want their 15 minutes of fame and more. Asks for 65 million, gets 60 and turns it down! Good thing he's not responsible for more than Manchester. Someone who fights for the people he represents. How terrible." A terrible negotiator! | |||
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"Burnham is the English Sturgeon or the American Cuomo. Local politicians who hardly matter or get any national attention. But thanks to covid they're in the limelight and loving it. They want their 15 minutes of fame and more. Asks for 65 million, gets 60 and turns it down! Good thing he's not responsible for more than Manchester. Someone who fights for the people he represents. How terrible. A terrible negotiator! " Thought it wasnt about politics? | |||
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"Burnham is the English Sturgeon or the American Cuomo. Local politicians who hardly matter or get any national attention. But thanks to covid they're in the limelight and loving it. They want their 15 minutes of fame and more. Asks for 65 million, gets 60 and turns it down! Good thing he's not responsible for more than Manchester. Someone who fights for the people he represents. How terrible. A terrible negotiator! Thought it wasnt about politics?" !!! I'm out . !!! | |||
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"Burnham is the English Sturgeon or the American Cuomo. Local politicians who hardly matter or get any national attention. But thanks to covid they're in the limelight and loving it. They want their 15 minutes of fame and more. Asks for 65 million, gets 60 and turns it down! Good thing he's not responsible for more than Manchester." What a depressing attitude. Maybe he knows that £5m will be the difference for a lot of people being able to feed and house themselves? | |||
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"How do these additional regional amounts actually get distributed to various business' and workers?...the current furlough scheme run by the HMRC portal is riddled with fraud ...around £3.5b in fraudulent claims so far. The fraud dwarfs the amount of these additional regional awards..." I read somewhere that the department are that overwhelmed they are just paying out. I'm guessing when things get back to normal they will go back and check everything. It's like when you pay too little tax about 5 years ago. | |||
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"When he was Labours Health secretary in 2009 he encouraged PFI in the NHS ! Not a nice guy really." Well thank God private firms are not involved in the NHS now. | |||
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"How do these additional regional amounts actually get distributed to various business' and workers?...the current furlough scheme run by the HMRC portal is riddled with fraud ...around £3.5b in fraudulent claims so far. The fraud dwarfs the amount of these additional regional awards... I read somewhere that the department are that overwhelmed they are just paying out. I'm guessing when things get back to normal they will go back and check everything. It's like when you pay too little tax about 5 years ago." ..HMRC have already sent warning letters out to those who have "overclaimed"....the fraud of some is a financially far bigger amount than the financial assistance spoken about in the last few days...some very greedy selfish people about | |||
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"South Yorkshire has just moved into tier3 and got 42 million with a population of 1.4 million. Manchester has a population of 2.8 million ...so Andy's figure of 90 million was almost the same as what south Yorkshire has got per head. The 60 million the gvmt went up to was far short of what south Yorkshire has been given...govs excuse is it's got to be fair across the board. This shows it's certainly not...and if we are talking fairness...why the hell cant they pay per head the same amount to every area that goes into tier 3? Or is that too simple to do or is it just a case of boris bashing labour councils?" *should have read moved into tier 3 and got 42 million £...edited | |||
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"Because he's a typical labour dickhead "Correct.... totally political decision. He sounds too much like Gary Barlow for my liking  | |||
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"How do these additional regional amounts actually get distributed to various business' and workers?...the current furlough scheme run by the HMRC portal is riddled with fraud ...around £3.5b in fraudulent claims so far. The fraud dwarfs the amount of these additional regional awards... I read somewhere that the department are that overwhelmed they are just paying out. I'm guessing when things get back to normal they will go back and check everything. It's like when you pay too little tax about 5 years ago...HMRC have already sent warning letters out to those who have "overclaimed"....the fraud of some is a financially far bigger amount than the financial assistance spoken about in the last few days...some very greedy selfish people about" And a lot of them are in positions of power. | |||
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"Because he's a typical labour dickhead
Correct.... totally political decision. He sounds too much like Gary Barlow for my liking "A politician making a political decision. Outrageous. | |||
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"South Yorkshire has just moved into tier 42 million with a population of 1.4 million. Manchester has a population of 2.8 million ...so Andy's figure of 90 million was almost the same as what south Yorkshire has got per head. The 60 million the gvmt went up to was far short of what south Yorkshire has been given...govs excuse is it's got to be fair across the board. This shows it's certainly not...and if we are talking fairness...why the hell cant they pay per head the same amount to every area that goes into tier 3? Or is that too simple to do or is it just a case of boris bashing labour councils?" If you look at the breakdown it’s £11mil for enforcement/track and trace and £30 mil to support the businesses. So based on your population estimates, Yorkshire is half of greater Manchester in size.... £22 mil given to Manchester for enforcement / track & trace and £60 mil (when they accept it) for support to businesses. | |||
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"How do these additional regional amounts actually get distributed to various business' and workers?...the current furlough scheme run by the HMRC portal is riddled with fraud ...around £3.5b in fraudulent claims so far. The fraud dwarfs the amount of these additional regional awards... I read somewhere that the department are that overwhelmed they are just paying out. I'm guessing when things get back to normal they will go back and check everything. It's like when you pay too little tax about 5 years ago...HMRC have already sent warning letters out to those who have "overclaimed"....the fraud of some is a financially far bigger amount than the financial assistance spoken about in the last few days...some very greedy selfish people about And a lot of them are in positions of power." ...not really mostly small business' | |||
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"South Yorkshire has just moved into tier3 and got 42 million with a population of 1.4 million. Manchester has a population of 2.8 million ...so Andy's figure of 90 million was almost the same as what south Yorkshire has got per head. The 60 million the gvmt went up to was far short of what south Yorkshire has been given...govs excuse is it's got to be fair across the board. This shows it's certainly not...and if we are talking fairness...why the hell cant they pay per head the same amount to every area that goes into tier 3? Or is that too simple to do or is it just a case of boris bashing labour councils? *should have read moved into tier 3 and got 42 million £...edited" South Yorkshire has received £11M for track and trace and £30M package to support businesses and employees. That’s for the population of 1.4 million. Double that for Greater Manchester and it is exactly what was offered to Andy Burnham which he turned down. | |||
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"How do these additional regional amounts actually get distributed to various business' and workers?...the current furlough scheme run by the HMRC portal is riddled with fraud ...around £3.5b in fraudulent claims so far. The fraud dwarfs the amount of these additional regional awards... I read somewhere that the department are that overwhelmed they are just paying out. I'm guessing when things get back to normal they will go back and check everything. It's like when you pay too little tax about 5 years ago...HMRC have already sent warning letters out to those who have "overclaimed"....the fraud of some is a financially far bigger amount than the financial assistance spoken about in the last few days...some very greedy selfish people about And a lot of them are in positions of power....not really mostly small business' " There is an estimated £41m unaccounted for in terms of pp1 contracts. Reece mogg and Hancock have both refused to answer questions on it. Does that not matter? | |||
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"South Yorkshire has just moved into tier 42 million with a population of 1.4 million. Manchester has a population of 2.8 million ...so Andy's figure of 90 million was almost the same as what south Yorkshire has got per head. The 60 million the gvmt went up to was far short of what south Yorkshire has been given...govs excuse is it's got to be fair across the board. This shows it's certainly not...and if we are talking fairness...why the hell cant they pay per head the same amount to every area that goes into tier 3? Or is that too simple to do or is it just a case of boris bashing labour councils? If you look at the breakdown it’s £11mil for enforcement/track and trace and £30 mil to support the businesses. So based on your population estimates, Yorkshire is half of greater Manchester in size.... £22 mil given to Manchester for enforcement / track & trace and £60 mil (when they accept it) for support to businesses. " Putting it like that it seems fair
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"South Yorkshire has just moved into tier 42 million with a population of 1.4 million. Manchester has a population of 2.8 million ...so Andy's figure of 90 million was almost the same as what south Yorkshire has got per head. The 60 million the gvmt went up to was far short of what south Yorkshire has been given...govs excuse is it's got to be fair across the board. This shows it's certainly not...and if we are talking fairness...why the hell cant they pay per head the same amount to every area that goes into tier 3? Or is that too simple to do or is it just a case of boris bashing labour councils? If you look at the breakdown it’s £11mil for enforcement/track and trace and £30 mil to support the businesses. So based on your population estimates, Yorkshire is half of greater Manchester in size.... £22 mil given to Manchester for enforcement / track & trace and £60 mil (when they accept it) for support to businesses. Putting it like that it seems fair
But I'll reserve my over all opinion for when the south of england move into tier 3 and see what they are given.."I doubt it will be any different, but you reserve that right. | |||
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"How do these additional regional amounts actually get distributed to various business' and workers?...the current furlough scheme run by the HMRC portal is riddled with fraud ...around £3.5b in fraudulent claims so far. The fraud dwarfs the amount of these additional regional awards...Yes it matters very much...but it is dwarfed by £3b+ and rising of fraud under the furlough scheme...better checks are needed before making further amounts ... I read somewhere that the department are that overwhelmed they are just paying out. I'm guessing when things get back to normal they will go back and check everything. It's like when you pay too little tax about 5 years ago...HMRC have already sent warning letters out to those who have "overclaimed"....the fraud of some is a financially far bigger amount than the financial assistance spoken about in the last few days...some very greedy selfish people about And a lot of them are in positions of power....not really mostly small business' There is an estimated £41m unaccounted for in terms of pp1 contracts. Reece mogg and Hancock have both refused to answer questions on it. Does that not matter?" | |||
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"So what happens when you don’t fucking qualify for universal credit then? It’s not something that everyone is entitled to- don’t swallow the propaganda message. You have to meet specific criteria to get it and it doesn’t cover mortgage costs and only covers part of the rent - and that’s assuming you qualify in the first place. Have you actually tried living on two thirds of your income? Has “Rishi” ever tried living on universal credit ? His boss says that he can’t manage on the PMs salary.....one rule for the rich and the rest of us get the crumbs that fall off the table. " | |||
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"How do these additional regional amounts actually get distributed to various business' and workers?...the current furlough scheme run by the HMRC portal is riddled with fraud ...around £3.5b in fraudulent claims so far. The fraud dwarfs the amount of these additional regional awards... I read somewhere that the department are that overwhelmed they are just paying out. I'm guessing when things get back to normal they will go back and check everything. It's like when you pay too little tax about 5 years ago." After ten years of austerity they are not the only ones cut back too far.. | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for?" He puts his left wing politics first a corrupt nasty little man | |||
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"Dont know AB but admire him for standing up for people in his area and speaking up ....good on him "He is a bit like Custer then got all his men slaughtered he is no better than Trump | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! I am confused... The staff are getting the closure furlough pay and with universal credit that tops the pay up to 80% for the whole closure time.... Thats Rishi's new furlough scheme. Plus the 22 million on top for backing up track and trace etc. I can see he's asked for enough money to last until April but surely if everyone pull their fingers out and in a months time they drop back down to a lower tier they won't need the figure he is talking about and it could go to another tier 3 zone that does need it?" pull there finger out are you for real. Typical Tory call that unbelievable | |||
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"Dont know AB but admire him for standing up for people in his area and speaking up ....good on him He is a bit like Custer then got all his men slaughtered he is no better than Trump"Trump was at the battle of the little big horn..? Who knew eh.. Given the obscene waste of money this far in this pandemic the £5 million is a drop in the ocean for a government happy to pay serco consultants £7,000 per day yet have set a limit of 67% of salary for some of the lowest paid workers to exist upon.. Think about that Emma, the disparity and double standards of paying Serco employees £7,000 per day, that's the same company who in previous government contracts was guilty of fraud and false accounting.. And a cleaner or bar worker 67% and saying apply for UC to top it up.. It really does look wrong and regardless of any party loyalty the good old fashioned British sense of decency and fairness seems to have been conveniently forgotten.. | |||
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"I am amazed that someone is getting slaughtered in this forum for daring to speak out against Boris and his merry band of privileged Southern anti North polices Manchester will suffer from his words but not from covid, but from tory backlash when this is all over. They have a long memory and hold the purse strings and will do for the next few years." I'm not surprised in the slightest. | |||
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm" The Manchester lead on health, a lady professor who last week was stood on the national briefing was on newsnight on Monday and slaughtered the false claims made by Hancock in the house of commons .. The machinations of the governments spin and agenda to demonise Burnham.. | |||
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm" Who was she? | |||
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"Wonder if AB will be the next Derek Hatton who also took on the government to "protect" his city...fast forward 30 years and now he is an entrepreneur and millionaire driving a £60K Range Rover...so much for socialism and Marxism " If you are a socialist you should live in a tent presumably. | |||
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm Who was she?" Camilla tomeney, iv never heard of her | |||
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm Who was she? Camilla tomeney, iv never heard of her" Isn’t she a journalist for the Telegraph ? | |||
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm The Manchester lead on health, a lady professor who last week was stood on the national briefing was on newsnight on Monday and slaughtered the false claims made by Hancock in the house of commons .. The machinations of the governments spin and agenda to demonise Burnham.." Why would a politician make false claims in the house .... oh yeh because they are politicians and parliamentary privilege means they can say what they like ! | |||
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm Who was she? Camilla tomeney, iv never heard of her Isn’t she a journalist for the Telegraph ? " Iv just googled her, she's associate editor of the daily mail,she quite hot actually | |||
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm Who was she? Camilla tomeney, iv never heard of her Isn’t she a journalist for the Telegraph ? Iv just googled her, she's associate editor of the daily mail,she quite hot actually " Oooooops I'm mean the telegraph  | |||
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm Who was she? Camilla tomeney, iv never heard of her Isn’t she a journalist for the Telegraph ? Iv just googled her, she's associate editor of the daily mail,she quite hot actually Oooooops I'm mean the telegraph " steady now
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm Who was she? Camilla tomeney, iv never heard of her Isn’t she a journalist for the Telegraph ? Iv just googled her, she's associate editor of the daily mail,she quite hot actually " Ha ha ha so an unbiased view? | |||
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"Also labour MP rushanara Ali is on and she is hot as well" You are enjoying morning tv  | |||
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm The Manchester lead on health, a lady professor who last week was stood on the national briefing was on newsnight on Monday and slaughtered the false claims made by Hancock in the house of commons .. The machinations of the governments spin and agenda to demonise Burnham.." Yes, Professor Jane Eddleston, the region's medical lead for the coronavirus response. Prof Eddleston is the executive medical lead for Greater Manchester
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"Also labour MP rushanara Ali is on and she is hot as well You are enjoying morning tv "I don't usually watch it, I turned it over when I saw it was on BBC news, having said that, it's on BBC Parliament now.... Boris live!! | |||
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm The Manchester lead on health, a lady professor who last week was stood on the national briefing was on newsnight on Monday and slaughtered the false claims made by Hancock in the house of commons .. The machinations of the governments spin and agenda to demonise Burnham.. Yes, Professor Jane Eddleston, the region's medical lead for the coronavirus response. Prof Eddleston is the executive medical lead for Greater Manchester
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"A women on TV has just said that the ICU units in greater manchester are not as full as they were this time last year hmmm The Manchester lead on health, a lady professor who last week was stood on the national briefing was on newsnight on Monday and slaughtered the false claims made by Hancock in the house of commons .. The machinations of the governments spin and agenda to demonise Burnham.. Yes, Professor Jane Eddleston, the region's medical lead for the coronavirus response. Prof Eddleston is the executive medical lead for Greater Manchester
I believe her."Thanks, ditto on the belief.. | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! " I assume that you understand that all the funding that the government cough up will all eventually be repaid by raising taxes It's health versus money  | |||
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"Seeing the vast majority of responses both here and in social media lauding Mr Burnham and railing against the Tories, I’m a little confused as to how Mr Johnson won a landslide majority? But hey what do I know? I’m just from Northern Ireland "He didn't really round here. My constituency in GM (not Manchester itself) is Conservative but again, it was super duper close at the count. Manchester itself is very Labour with a sprinkle of Lib Dem. | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! I assume that you understand that all the funding that the government cough up will all eventually be repaid by raising taxes It's health versus money "So what's your answer to it? | |||
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"because he's a typical labour dickhead "And you voted for Boris | |||
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"And Boris is the biggest dickhead ever "i will second that | |||
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"So it now turns out that he was grandstanding on sky news when the phone call came through, he had had a call half hour before telling him exactly the same thing.Just another publicity stunt. " Impeccable source | |||
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"And Boris is the biggest dickhead ever i will second that "Awwwww that's not nice . | |||
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"So it now turns out that he was grandstanding on sky news when the phone call came through, he had had a call half hour before telling him exactly the same thing.Just another publicity stunt. Impeccable source " Yes it was he admitted it himself when called out on twitter.  | |||
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"So it now turns out that he was grandstanding on sky news when the phone call came through, he had had a call half hour before telling him exactly the same thing.Just another publicity stunt. Impeccable source Yes it was he admitted it himself when called out on twitter. "He admitted to getting a telephone call at 2.0pm to say the door had closed on negotiations...quite a different thing. | |||
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"So it now turns out that he was grandstanding on sky news when the phone call came through, he had had a call half hour before telling him exactly the same thing.Just another publicity stunt. Impeccable source Yes it was he admitted it himself when called out on twitter.
He admitted to getting a telephone call at 2.0pm to say the door had closed on negotiations...quite a different thing."Its exactly the same thing the guy was publicity seeking and got caught out its no biggy its what they all do. | |||
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"Dont know AB but admire him for standing up for people in his area and speaking up ....good on him He is a bit like Custer then got all his men slaughtered he is no better than Trump
Trump was at the battle of the little big horn..?
Who knew eh..
Given the obscene waste of money this far in this pandemic the £5 million is a drop in the ocean for a government happy to pay serco consultants £7,000 per day yet have set a limit of 67% of salary for some of the lowest paid workers to exist upon..
Think about that Emma, the disparity and double standards of paying Serco employees £7,000 per day, that's the same company who in previous government contracts was guilty of fraud and false accounting..
And a cleaner or bar worker 67% and saying apply for UC to top it up..
It really does look wrong and regardless of any party loyalty the good old fashioned British sense of decency and fairness seems to have been conveniently forgotten.." | |||
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"Seeing the vast majority of responses both here and in social media lauding Mr Burnham and railing against the Tories, I’m a little confused as to how Mr Johnson won a landslide majority? But hey what do I know? I’m just from Northern Ireland "He won because he promised people he had an “oven ready” deal for brexit. Telling everyone that everything would remain the same or better than when we were in the E.U. | |||
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"South Yorkshire has just moved into tier 42 million with a population of 1.4 million. Manchester has a population of 2.8 million ...so Andy's figure of 90 million was almost the same as what south Yorkshire has got per head. The 60 million the gvmt went up to was far short of what south Yorkshire has been given...govs excuse is it's got to be fair across the board. This shows it's certainly not...and if we are talking fairness...why the hell cant they pay per head the same amount to every area that goes into tier 3? Or is that too simple to do or is it just a case of boris bashing labour councils?" You want to check your figures, the south Yorkshire sum includes the £11m track & trace support, if you add the £20m Greater Manchester get for this their figure is £80m not £60m. That is in line with Liverpool, Lancashire & South Yorkshire. | |||
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"Seeing the vast majority of responses both here and in social media lauding Mr Burnham and railing against the Tories, I’m a little confused as to how Mr Johnson won a landslide majority? But hey what do I know? I’m just from Northern Ireland
He won because he promised people he had an “oven ready” deal for brexit. Telling everyone that everything would remain the same or better than when we were in the E.U."Ah ok, so all these Labour supporters on Fab / social media abandoned their core values because an upper class fuckwit with a history of failure told them to? Thanks for clearing that up | |||
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"Seeing the vast majority of responses both here and in social media lauding Mr Burnham and railing against the Tories, I’m a little confused as to how Mr Johnson won a landslide majority? But hey what do I know? I’m just from Northern Ireland
He won because he promised people he had an “oven ready” deal for brexit. Telling everyone that everything would remain the same or better than when we were in the E.U.
Ah ok, so all these Labour supporters on Fab / social media abandoned their core values because an upper class fuckwit with a history of failure told them to?
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for? What will cause harm to the people he is responsible for, is this excuse for a government not providing enough money for people working in low paid jobs like hospitality to pay their bills whilst the government force their employers to shut the doors! Andy Burnham refused to be bullied by them and is a hero! I assume that you understand that all the funding that the government cough up will all eventually be repaid by raising taxes It's health versus money
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"Seeing the vast majority of responses both here and in social media lauding Mr Burnham and railing against the Tories, I’m a little confused as to how Mr Johnson won a landslide majority? But hey what do I know? I’m just from Northern Ireland
He won because he promised people he had an “oven ready” deal for brexit. Telling everyone that everything would remain the same or better than when we were in the E.U.
Ah ok, so all these Labour supporters on Fab / social media abandoned their core values because an upper class fuckwit with a history of failure told them to?
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"South Yorkshire has just moved into tier 42 million with a population of 1.4 million. Manchester has a population of 2.8 million ...so Andy's figure of 90 million was almost the same as what south Yorkshire has got per head. The 60 million the gvmt went up to was far short of what south Yorkshire has been given...govs excuse is it's got to be fair across the board. This shows it's certainly not...and if we are talking fairness...why the hell cant they pay per head the same amount to every area that goes into tier 3? Or is that too simple to do or is it just a case of boris bashing labour councils? You want to check your figures, the south Yorkshire sum includes the £11m track & trace support, if you add the £20m Greater Manchester get for this their figure is £80m not £60m. That is in line with Liverpool, Lancashire & South Yorkshire. " Just by way of contrast the Tory party was a able to find One Billion for the DUP in return for supporting May's minority government. | |||
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"He may be a hero now, but the Tories have long memories and are vindictive as hell, wait to see what revenge they take on Burnham and Manchester in the next few years, grants, funding and all the purse strings are held by the Tories and they will get their pound of flesh !" And the northerners have even longer memories. They’ve still not forgiven Thatcher. | |||
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"He may be a hero now, but the Tories have long memories and are vindictive as hell, wait to see what revenge they take on Burnham and Manchester in the next few years, grants, funding and all the purse strings are held by the Tories and they will get their pound of flesh ! And the northerners have even longer memories. They’ve still not forgiven Thatcher." I think quite a few of them have tbf | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. " The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. " Every GM politician backed him up. He changed his mind? Was he taking lessons from boris? Quote how 1 northern mp is responsible for national infections rates is beyond me but I'm guessing that's what happens when you stand upto that clueless buffoon. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Every GM politician backed him up. He changed his mind? Was he taking lessons from boris? Quote how 1 northern mp is responsible for national infections rates is beyond me but I'm guessing that's what happens when you stand upto that clueless buffoon. " You have some sky blue thinking right there. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Every GM politician backed him up. He changed his mind? Was he taking lessons from boris? Quote how 1 northern mp is responsible for national infections rates is beyond me but I'm guessing that's what happens when you stand upto that clueless buffoon. You have some sky blue thinking right there. " Let me guess, you’re a life long Tory who voted for Brexit? | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, " Which for him will be a tad more important than some randoms on forums.. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. " Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, " 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy." The north west is not just Manchester.. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.." It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub? | |||
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"Because he's a typical labour dickhead " | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy. The north west is not just Manchester.." You're not just beautiful are you. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub?" Did the rate in Manchester suddenly increase over the last few days? | |||
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"Why does this man want to cause harm to the people he is responsible for?" Didn't he score an own goal for manchester city ? | |||
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"Because he's a typical labour dickhead "Ok Susan | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy." Andy Burnham is mayor of the north west? That is impressive | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub? Did the rate in Manchester suddenly increase over the last few days?" Did every GM politician back him up? | |||
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"When he was Labours Health secretary in 2009 he encouraged PFI in the NHS ! Not a nice guy really. Well thank God private firms are not involved in the NHS now." Watch this space on that one With surgeons being sat at home since March whats really going on? Are the figures that we are being fed actually real? Who knows, bet Gov.uk do. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub? Did the rate in Manchester suddenly increase over the last few days? Did every GM politician back him up?" Yep | |||
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"To be fair you have probally got a point about inaction and prevarcation..I mean it's not like the gmnt took about 3 months to decide if wearing masks was a good idea or not ,during a global pandemic is it?" | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub?" They've been pretty much in tier 2 for months, the tier system as stated by the scientific advisors is not going to do the job.. To suggest there's been no action is false, as false as your claim that he put the country at risk.. There's clearly an issue in the north west region granted with the numbers but the trend is and will be replicated in other similar areas too.. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy. The north west is not just Manchester.. You're not just beautiful are you." Well the wife thinks so which will do for me.. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy. Andy Burnham is mayor of the north west? That is impressive "They have always voted Labour. He was voted in over an Independent with a career finance. Burnham if you remember though, had a stellar career as Health Minister. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/chris-skidmore/mid-staffordshire-andy-burnham_b_2970110.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10357808/Andy-Burnham-denies-covering-up-hospital-failings-while-in-charge.html | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy. Andy Burnham is mayor of the north west? That is impressive
They have always voted Labour.
He was voted in over an Independent with a career finance.
Burnham if you remember though, had a stellar career as Health Minister.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/chris-skidmore/mid-staffordshire-andy-burnham_b_2970110.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10357808/Andy-Burnham-denies-covering-up-hospital-failings-while-in-charge.html"Sounds almost as impressive as Boris’s career as a minister and a journalist not to mention the stellar job he did as a husband and father . Would you like me to post some links | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub? They've been pretty much in tier 2 for months, the tier system as stated by the scientific advisors is not going to do the job.. To suggest there's been no action is false, as false as your claim that he put the country at risk.. There's clearly an issue in the north west region granted with the numbers but the trend is and will be replicated in other similar areas too.." The tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country. What action has he taken? false in your opinion which is patently wrong. There are plenty of similar areas. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy. Andy Burnham is mayor of the north west? That is impressive
They have always voted Labour.
He was voted in over an Independent with a career finance.
Burnham if you remember though, had a stellar career as Health Minister.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/chris-skidmore/mid-staffordshire-andy-burnham_b_2970110.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10357808/Andy-Burnham-denies-covering-up-hospital-failings-while-in-charge.html"Do you have a point? | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub? They've been pretty much in tier 2 for months, the tier system as stated by the scientific advisors is not going to do the job.. To suggest there's been no action is false, as false as your claim that he put the country at risk.. There's clearly an issue in the north west region granted with the numbers but the trend is and will be replicated in other similar areas too.. The tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country. What action has he taken? false in your opinion which is patently wrong. There are plenty of similar areas. " Well given as you said his actions pit the rest of the country at risk, perhaps explain your own contradiction of the tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country? What parts of the rest of the country did he put at risk and to what extent? | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy. Andy Burnham is mayor of the north west? That is impressive
They have always voted Labour.
He was voted in over an Independent with a career finance.
Burnham if you remember though, had a stellar career as Health Minister.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/chris-skidmore/mid-staffordshire-andy-burnham_b_2970110.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10357808/Andy-Burnham-denies-covering-up-hospital-failings-while-in-charge.html
Sounds almost as impressive as Boris’s career as a minister and a journalist not to mention the stellar job he did as a husband and father . Would you like me to post some links "Have I said once Boris is doing or has done a good job? That he's a matey or is a top bloke? You're the one starry eyed at Burnham.. Post all the links you like, it takes nothing away from how Burnham has managed Gtr Manchester throughout this. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub? They've been pretty much in tier 2 for months, the tier system as stated by the scientific advisors is not going to do the job.. To suggest there's been no action is false, as false as your claim that he put the country at risk.. There's clearly an issue in the north west region granted with the numbers but the trend is and will be replicated in other similar areas too.. The tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country. What action has he taken? false in your opinion which is patently wrong. There are plenty of similar areas. Well given as you said his actions pit the rest of the country at risk, perhaps explain your own contradiction of the tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country? What parts of the rest of the country did he put at risk and to what extent?" WhAt diD you MIsS... coid spreads. Burnham doesn't mind. The restrictions work as council promote them. You were the one saying covid poses no risk and ya Pal Andy has had chats every day telling yokels about it. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy. Andy Burnham is mayor of the north west? That is impressive
They have always voted Labour.
He was voted in over an Independent with a career finance.
Burnham if you remember though, had a stellar career as Health Minister.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/chris-skidmore/mid-staffordshire-andy-burnham_b_2970110.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10357808/Andy-Burnham-denies-covering-up-hospital-failings-while-in-charge.html
Do you have a point?"Are you able to read anything without "Parental Guidance" | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub? They've been pretty much in tier 2 for months, the tier system as stated by the scientific advisors is not going to do the job.. To suggest there's been no action is false, as false as your claim that he put the country at risk.. There's clearly an issue in the north west region granted with the numbers but the trend is and will be replicated in other similar areas too.. The tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country. What action has he taken? false in your opinion which is patently wrong. There are plenty of similar areas. Well given as you said his actions pit the rest of the country at risk, perhaps explain your own contradiction of the tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country? What parts of the rest of the country did he put at risk and to what extent? WhAt diD you MIsS... coid spreads. Burnham doesn't mind. The restrictions work as council promote them. You were the one saying covid poses no risk and ya Pal Andy has had chats every day telling yokels about it. " So nothing to back up your quite bizarre claim.. Good to see you accepted that nonsense.. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub? They've been pretty much in tier 2 for months, the tier system as stated by the scientific advisors is not going to do the job.. To suggest there's been no action is false, as false as your claim that he put the country at risk.. There's clearly an issue in the north west region granted with the numbers but the trend is and will be replicated in other similar areas too.. The tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country. What action has he taken? false in your opinion which is patently wrong. There are plenty of similar areas. Well given as you said his actions pit the rest of the country at risk, perhaps explain your own contradiction of the tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country? What parts of the rest of the country did he put at risk and to what extent? WhAt diD you MIsS... coid spreads. Burnham doesn't mind. The restrictions work as council promote them. You were the one saying covid poses no risk and ya Pal Andy has had chats every day telling yokels about it. So nothing to back up your quite bizarre claim.. Good to see you accepted that nonsense.." When you realise there is a two week delay in covid reporting (government stats) and a two week incubation period. You may then add 1 and 3 together and realise any inaction today has a knock on effect in a months time. If you do not understand this then you can go about your business travelling the world, virus free, thinking you are ahead of the curve. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy. Andy Burnham is mayor of the north west? That is impressive
They have always voted Labour.
He was voted in over an Independent with a career finance.
Burnham if you remember though, had a stellar career as Health Minister.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/chris-skidmore/mid-staffordshire-andy-burnham_b_2970110.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10357808/Andy-Burnham-denies-covering-up-hospital-failings-while-in-charge.html
Do you have a point?
Are you able to read anything without "Parental Guidance" "Touchy arent you? | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. The majority of Manchester has the upmost respect for him, 600+ cases per 100k. The highest in the country. 40% of Englands cases concentrated in the North West. It is no kind of legacy. Andy Burnham is mayor of the north west? That is impressive
They have always voted Labour.
He was voted in over an Independent with a career finance.
Burnham if you remember though, had a stellar career as Health Minister.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/chris-skidmore/mid-staffordshire-andy-burnham_b_2970110.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10357808/Andy-Burnham-denies-covering-up-hospital-failings-while-in-charge.html
Do you have a point?
Are you able to read anything without "Parental Guidance"
Touchy arent you?"The info is there, it was a silly question - though yeah, didn't mean for that to sound the way it did. | |||
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"The number of times he changed his mind I don't know how Manchester has any respect for him. "This was never about the money", "we are standing up for councils across the country", "if they can do it to us they can do it to anyone", "the health and livelihoods of our residents is always a priority." Reducing Covid numbers were never a priority. He would have rather pushed Manchesters covid rate higher whilst not acting on any increasing covid risk, though though his actions, he put the rest of the country at risk in not gaining any control not least leadership. He would rather seek bail out money for weeks on end than be the guy that is the face of making businesses or residents wake up to their poor actions. Instead - he left numbers to spiral and let the Government be the face of the lockdown. He's now framing himself as David v's Goliath with his best kicked puppy face. He wanted £90m for 6 months - he didn't know if restrictions would be lifted after just 1 month. If he and his councils would have acted sooner in promoting covid awareness/mitigation, restriction may not even have been needed and residents jobs/lives may not be at the risk they are. Have you no idea of the frankly illogical and bordering on stupidity in saying the mayor of Manchester put the country at risk.. Get a grip mate, reality's slipping away.. It's a little unusual you don't equate inaction and increasing virus numbers to the spread of a pandemic. You must run a pub? They've been pretty much in tier 2 for months, the tier system as stated by the scientific advisors is not going to do the job.. To suggest there's been no action is false, as false as your claim that he put the country at risk.. There's clearly an issue in the north west region granted with the numbers but the trend is and will be replicated in other similar areas too.. The tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country. What action has he taken? false in your opinion which is patently wrong. There are plenty of similar areas. Well given as you said his actions pit the rest of the country at risk, perhaps explain your own contradiction of the tier system seems to be working in other parts of the country? What parts of the rest of the country did he put at risk and to what extent? WhAt diD you MIsS... coid spreads. Burnham doesn't mind. The restrictions work as council promote them. You were the one saying covid poses no risk and ya Pal Andy has had chats every day telling yokels about it. So nothing to back up your quite bizarre claim.. Good to see you accepted that nonsense.. When you realise there is a two week delay in covid reporting (government stats) and a two week incubation period. You may then add 1 and 3 together and realise any inaction today has a knock on effect in a months time. If you do not understand this then you can go about your business travelling the world, virus free, thinking you are ahead of the curve." When you realise that the rest of the country will not be put at risk by the actions of one person governing a region of the country.. Making puerile assumptions to deflect from a simply wrong pov based on not liking someone only serves to highlight the idiocy of the original pov.. | |||
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"Burnham may not be to everyone's taste but he at least is standing up for those who elected him.." I agree and think most of Manchester will think he did a great job | |||
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