Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words |
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In essence its the viral load, asymptomatic carriers are thought to not have a viral load large enough to pass enough of the virus on to infect others...
Lots of research projects are on trying to find out the viral load needed to seriously infect someone |
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"Having 'doctor' in your name doesn't guarantee sanity or professionalism.
You've only got to look at the nutter demos in London to see that.
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I agree with you. I get the feeling sometimes Dr Dre isn’t a real doctor. |
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words"
If thats true how is it spread then? The message since March has been for people who show symptoms to isolate |
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words"
I'm no Dr but I think you've watched a comedy sketch..
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I remember a doctor from America saying men can get pregnant .... |
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words
If thats true how is it spread then? The message since March has been for people who show symptoms to isolate"
Because many symptoms are extremely mild, there also not what many people expect, like loss of taste or just a dry trickly cough plus it has a relatively long incubation period, virus shedding needs to occur for you to be infectious in the vast majority of infections, there still working on exactisims on this one. |
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I love the way folk slag with a doctor when they say something they dont like, but when someone else disagrees with another doctors view, theyre tin hat brigade. The hypocrocy on here is unbelievable |
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"I love the way folk slag with a doctor when they say something they dont like, but when someone else disagrees with another doctors view, theyre tin hat brigade. The hypocrocy on here is unbelievable"
Well do YOU believe the virus isn't passed between individuals? |
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Total bollocks. My friends son (21) has it, passed between a group of friends at the pub, all asymptomatic. |
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"I love the way folk slag with a doctor when they say something they dont like, but when someone else disagrees with another doctors view, theyre tin hat brigade. The hypocrocy on here is unbelievable"
Wonder what medical school teaches a doctor that a quantitative term is 'zilch'..
People are trawling the web and quoting random experts from all over the shop in order for some to say stop this now it's a scam, a plan, a means of control or I want to get back shagging..
What about our own medical professionals, what do they say on this? |
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Total bollocks. My friends son (21) has it, passed between a group of friends at the pub, all asymptomatic."
How do you know it was passed between them. It couldve been passed to them via anyone in the pub |
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Total bollocks. My friends son (21) has it, passed between a group of friends at the pub, all asymptomatic."
So to sum up, your friend's son wasn't ill and none of his friends were either. The madness continues. |
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How do you know it was passed between them. It couldve been passed to them via anyone in the pub
But according to your doctor, it doesn't transmit like that..."
Presumably there was someone in the pub who was symptomatic and who infected them all. |
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How do you know it was passed between them. It couldve been passed to them via anyone in the pub
But according to your doctor, it doesn't transmit like that..."
There could easily have been someone with symptoms in the pub, or low and behold, they could all have got it from seperate places within a day or so of each other. Or does it only transmit in groups now |
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Rule 1. Get your information from reputable sources of appropriate clinical research, published in credible journals. Anything else isn't something to trust in the same way.
There is evidence of infected asymptomatic individuals having comparable viral loads.
It's important that if someone is infected that they quarantine away from others, whether they have symptoms or not. That is the current UK position and probably globally too.
New research is important, so that we get to increase our depth of knowledge on this new virus and how it affects us. Follow the credible evidence. I'm unaware of the bulk of research, so any further information is great, as long as it's not from Dr Trump etc |
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But according to your doctor, it doesn't transmit like that...
There could easily have been someone with symptoms in the pub, or low and behold, they could all have got it from seperate places within a day or so of each other. Or does it only transmit in groups now"
So a symptomatic person sat in the pub or everyone being unlucky enough to catch it from seperate sources... 
Give it up mate. |
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"Rule 1. Get your information from reputable sources of appropriate clinical research, published in credible journals. Anything else isn't something to trust in the same way.
There is evidence of infected asymptomatic individuals having comparable viral loads.
It's important that if someone is infected that they quarantine away from others, whether they have symptoms or not. That is the current UK position and probably globally too.
New research is important, so that we get to increase our depth of knowledge on this new virus and how it affects us. Follow the credible evidence. I'm unaware of the bulk of research, so any further information is great, as long as it's not from Dr Trump etc"
I just wanted to say Sophie that with all the crap written on the forums about covid I do always stop and read your posts as they are always informative and well written . Thank you for trying to give us a balanced view on things xx |
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"Having 'doctor' in your name doesn't guarantee sanity or professionalism.
You've only got to look at the nutter demos in London to see that.
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even if sane and professional it doesnt mean you are a specialist in virus transmission |
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"Rule 1. Get your information from reputable sources of appropriate clinical research, published in credible journals. Anything else isn't something to trust in the same way.
There is evidence of infected asymptomatic individuals having comparable viral loads.
It's important that if someone is infected that they quarantine away from others, whether they have symptoms or not. That is the current UK position and probably globally too.
New research is important, so that we get to increase our depth of knowledge on this new virus and how it affects us. Follow the credible evidence. I'm unaware of the bulk of research, so any further information is great, as long as it's not from Dr Trump etc
I just wanted to say Sophie that with all the crap written on the forums about covid I do always stop and read your posts as they are always informative and well written . Thank you for trying to give us a balanced view on things xx"
Thank you, it's my pleasure to share.  . |
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But according to your doctor, it doesn't transmit like that...
There could easily have been someone with symptoms in the pub, or low and behold, they could all have got it from seperate places within a day or so of each other. Or does it only transmit in groups now
So a symptomatic person sat in the pub or everyone being unlucky enough to catch it from seperate sources...
Give it up mate."
So because the poster says these 3 folks all caught it from each other, then that must be true, because it suits your opinion on this |
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"Rule 1. Get your information from reputable sources of appropriate clinical research, published in credible journals. Anything else isn't something to trust in the same way.
There is evidence of infected asymptomatic individuals having comparable viral loads.
It's important that if someone is infected that they quarantine away from others, whether they have symptoms or not. That is the current UK position and probably globally too.
New research is important, so that we get to increase our depth of knowledge on this new virus and how it affects us. Follow the credible evidence. I'm unaware of the bulk of research, so any further information is great, as long as it's not from Dr Trump etc
I just wanted to say Sophie that with all the crap written on the forums about covid I do always stop and read your posts as they are always informative and well written . Thank you for trying to give us a balanced view on things xx"
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words
I remember a doctor from America saying men can get pregnant ...."
Wasn't there one who suggest drink ble*ch oh wait he wasn't a real Dr either.  |
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"Rule 1. Get your information from reputable sources of appropriate clinical research, published in credible journals. Anything else isn't something to trust in the same way.
There is evidence of infected asymptomatic individuals having comparable viral loads.
It's important that if someone is infected that they quarantine away from others, whether they have symptoms or not. That is the current UK position and probably globally too.
New research is important, so that we get to increase our depth of knowledge on this new virus and how it affects us. Follow the credible evidence. I'm unaware of the bulk of research, so any further information is great, as long as it's not from Dr Trump etc"
Just amazed that this has to be said almost every day on fab. I could understand if it were to school kids, but we're technically adults on here and there's more misinformation that at a political party broadcast.  |
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"Rule 1. Get your information from reputable sources of appropriate clinical research, published in credible journals. Anything else isn't something to trust in the same way.
There is evidence of infected asymptomatic individuals having comparable viral loads.
It's important that if someone is infected that they quarantine away from others, whether they have symptoms or not. That is the current UK position and probably globally too.
New research is important, so that we get to increase our depth of knowledge on this new virus and how it affects us. Follow the credible evidence. I'm unaware of the bulk of research, so any further information is great, as long as it's not from Dr Trump etc
I just wanted to say Sophie that with all the crap written on the forums about covid I do always stop and read your posts as they are always informative and well written . Thank you for trying to give us a balanced view on things xx
Absolutely agree.. "
Thanks too
Some of the research has come from South Korea, where a large group of people, median age 25ish, in a group of people 20-32ish years of age, the majority of whom were asymptomatic, found viral loads that were equivalent to those amongst them who had symptoms. I think there were just over about 300 people.
There is other research but where evidence has shown that asymptomatic people have a comparable viral load, that we are right to take precautions around everyone, however healthy they may seem. Wearing masks is a small and simple gesture that may help others to avoid this illness. |
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But according to your doctor, it doesn't transmit like that...
There could easily have been someone with symptoms in the pub, or low and behold, they could all have got it from seperate places within a day or so of each other. Or does it only transmit in groups now
So a symptomatic person sat in the pub or everyone being unlucky enough to catch it from seperate sources...
Give it up mate.
So because the poster says these 3 folks all caught it from each other, then that must be true, because it suits your opinion on this"
My opinion is based on accepted science, not some YouTube nonsense from someone claiming to be a doctor that you've got fixated on because he matches your strange world view.
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words"
Is he a doctor of infectious diseases, or epidemiology? Do you have a link to the statement, or even a name? |
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People will say what suits their agenda, and people will believe what they want to believe.
All the 'experts', politicians and members of the media have their own agendas and allegiances so who do we ever believe.
I don't trust anyone in this matter and i don't know what to believe anymore.
What I do know is that we can do fuck all about whatever Boris and his merry men do, they have carte blanche to do what they want, and if people like Andy Burnham try to they will find that for years Greater Manchester will miss out on funding, have budgets cut and the people suffer !
That is how the Tories work, remember Thatcher and South Yorkshire, and now Boris is rapidly becoming worse than even Thatcher. |
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words
Is he a doctor of infectious diseases, or epidemiology? Do you have a link to the statement, or even a name?"
Doctor david samadi, a urologist who is also qualified in biochemistry, so yea, hes a doctor |
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words
Is he a doctor of infectious diseases, or epidemiology? Do you have a link to the statement, or even a name?
Doctor david samadi, a urologist who is also qualified in biochemistry, so yea, hes a doctor"
Sorry to burst your bubble but urology is piss, biochemists do blood gas and such shit so you need to refer a virologist, micro biologist or immunologist instead |
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words
Is he a doctor of infectious diseases, or epidemiology? Do you have a link to the statement, or even a name?
Doctor david samadi, a urologist who is also qualified in biochemistry, so yea, hes a doctor"
He's not quoting or referring to the accepted evidence. Have you reviewed my earlier posts.
It is pointless investing time on sources that are not appropriate, as I referred to some hours ago |
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I also note that this Dr is referred to as 'disgraced' by news reports, with claims having been settled for over 12 million US dollars, due to trainees operating unsupervised, whilst he worked operating in another theatre, though insurance was billed for all. His operations were also deemed unsatisfactory, with insufficient biopsies taken and sent for testing, leaving ovarian cancer patients and others with poor outcomes.
Apart from his lack of appropriate expertise in virology, including apparent zero research experience, his approach to zilch patient care, whilst letting unsupervised trainees perform surgery, I'm rather reluctant to trust such an individual. |
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words
Is he a doctor of infectious diseases, or epidemiology? Do you have a link to the statement, or even a name?
Doctor david samadi, a urologist who is also qualified in biochemistry, so yea, hes a doctor
Sorry to burst your bubble but urology is piss, biochemists do blood gas and such shit so you need to refer a virologist, micro biologist or immunologist instead"
Funnily enough we only had 1 of them on the sage committee when it kicked off and Ferguson's trade is theoretical physicist but apparently your willing to take his word on the spread of a virus?.  |
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He is a quack we get a few over here. |
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Funnily enough we only had 1 of them on the sage committee when it kicked off and Ferguson's trade is theoretical physicist but apparently your willing to take his word on the spread of a virus?. "
Nothing funny about that at all.
SAGE consists of experts from various fields called together in times of emergency - they are not there just for pandemics.
So, in a toss up between a 'doctor' who has somehow managed to avoid being struck off and a group of subject matter experts have a guess who people give more credence to..? |
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words"
Totally untrue, I know we’ve had a number of staff contact the virus from people who where asymptotic within their teams. Likewise patients who have contracted it in their family group from relatives showing no symptoms. It’s occurring on a regular basis.
There’s been a number of studies on a factor in infection called K (super spreaders), basically individuals who are asymptotic yet infect great numbers. There’s a good example in Mexico of a catholic woman who whilst visiting a series of churches infected around 500 people, likewise a tourist blamed for the massive spread in Lombardy in Italy who’s credited with creating 4 major outbreaks during their holiday which formed Italy’s epicentre of the crisis. Interestingly when you get these super spreaders you find fatality rates also soar. In short... I ain’t buying Dr America’s wisdom. |
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"Well thats the point. People do believe it. Like its flu. No flu affects blood pressure or smell or abdominal pain. Its engineered fact"
I thought you were talking nonsense but then you added the word 'fact', so it must be true. |
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5 positive at my work (1 dead - was an older guy in his 70s) other just felt ran down for a few days. Still not really worried about it. I wear my mask in shops etc but other than that I'm doing what I like from now on after being scaremongered for 19 weeks |
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"5 positive at my work (1 dead - was an older guy in his 70s) other just felt ran down for a few days. Still not really worried about it. I wear my mask in shops etc but other than that I'm doing what I like from now on after being scaremongered for 19 weeks"
Your choice. Remember though that the asymptomatic are likely to have the same viral load as those who have symptoms. Follow some credible information sources for data and avoid scaremongering, if the latter would influence your putting lives at risk. |
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words
I remember a doctor from America saying men can get pregnant ...."
Are you saying men can't get pregnant? Bit transphobic innit? 
I think you'll find that a person who can get pregnant and identifies as a man can still get pregnant.
So what's your point? |
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Is he a doctor of infectious diseases, or epidemiology? Do you have a link to the statement, or even a name?
Doctor david samadi, a urologist who is also qualified in biochemistry, so yea, hes a doctor
Sorry to burst your bubble but urology is piss, biochemists do blood gas and such shit so you need to refer a virologist, micro biologist or immunologist instead"
Yea i do know that, BUT hes still better qualified than anyone on this forum, |
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"I love the way folk slag with a doctor when they say something they dont like, but when someone else disagrees with another doctors view, theyre tin hat brigade. The hypocrocy on here is unbelievable"
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Funnily enough we only had 1 of them on the sage committee when it kicked off and Ferguson's trade is theoretical physicist but apparently your willing to take his word on the spread of a virus?.
Nothing funny about that at all.
SAGE consists of experts from various fields called together in times of emergency - they are not there just for pandemics.
So, in a toss up between a 'doctor' who has somehow managed to avoid being struck off and a group of subject matter experts have a guess who people give more credence to..?"
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You've only got to look at the nutter demos in London to see that.
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Bbbut I've based my whole life on the teachings of Dr Seuss!!!! |
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"Just seen a video from a doctor in america who is saying if you have the virus, without symptoms then the chances of passing it on to someone else is virtually zilch, so in his opinion social distancing is pointless. If you got symptoms stay out the way, if not, youre fine.. as i say, from a u.s doctor, not my words
Is he a doctor of infectious diseases, or epidemiology? Do you have a link to the statement, or even a name?
Doctor david samadi, a urologist who is also qualified in biochemistry, so yea, hes a doctor
Sorry to burst your bubble but urology is piss, biochemists do blood gas and such shit so you need to refer a virologist, micro biologist or immunologist instead
Yea i do know that, BUT hes still better qualified than anyone on this forum,"
i disagree... there are a few on here who specifically work in virology and micro biology and they always post lengthy clear explanations of fact ... unfortunately it gets lost in amongst the fake news bs |
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Is he a doctor of infectious diseases, or epidemiology? Do you have a link to the statement, or even a name?
Doctor david samadi, a urologist who is also qualified in biochemistry, so yea, hes a doctor
Sorry to burst your bubble but urology is piss, biochemists do blood gas and such shit so you need to refer a virologist, micro biologist or immunologist instead
Yea i do know that, BUT hes still better qualified than anyone on this forum,"
He might be better qualified to clean out your willie but not to comment on death registration I'm afraid. |
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Yea i do know that, BUT hes still better qualified than anyone on this forum,"
If you want to believe what he's saying then that's your problem.
I wouldn't let him look after a tea cup let alone a person and it's a poor reflection on medical ethics that he's not been struck off. |
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