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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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I am not that keen on his stance on vaccines, but I like it of how he praised sweden for of how good they are handling the situation with their business as usual approach, as cases are going down, what is your view over it?  |
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By *eep.Man
over a year ago
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Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am not that keen on his stance on vaccines, but I like it of how he praised sweden for of how good they are handling the situation with their business as usual approach, as cases are going down, what is your view over it? "
I dont like ppls mentality on how sweden has done.
they fared worse than surrounding countries.
if the uk was like sweden perhaps we could achieve what they have done, but with our social structure its not possible yet..
sweden has a socialist government- probably a bit too centralized for us brits lol
from personal experience I understand swedes are a bit more strict on being d*unken and on health issues as well as adhering to guidelines.
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
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No, but he did say later in a tv interview of how good their lockdown strategy was, also of how good the people are following the rules. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
No, but he did say later in a tv interview of how good their lockdown strategy was, also of how good the people are following the rules."
But their death rate is one of the highest in the world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
No, but he did say later in a tv interview of how good their lockdown strategy was, also of how good the people are following the rules."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
No, but he did say later in a tv interview of how good their lockdown strategy was, also of how good the people are following the rules.
But their death rate is one of the highest in the world. "
It's one of the highest and their approach was an interesting anthropological one. The elderly and infirmed are seen as a burden on their society and economy.
As someone very rightly pointed out they are very different in the way they think than Brits, their behaviour is very different to ours. This is why any comparisons to other countries fall very short in providing any sort of help to us or us to any others unless there are sociological and behavioural similarities. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
No, but he did say later in a tv interview of how good their lockdown strategy was, also of how good the people are following the rules.
But their death rate is one of the highest in the world. "
Actually Peru is the highest death rate in the world and they did a very strict full lockdown. |
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By *lixirWoman
over a year ago
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"Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
No, but he did say later in a tv interview of how good their lockdown strategy was, also of how good the people are following the rules.
But their death rate is one of the highest in the world.
Actually Peru is the highest death rate in the world and they did a very strict full lockdown."
The death rate has more to do with the medical care available rather than lockdowns and laws on movement. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
No, but he did say later in a tv interview of how good their lockdown strategy was, also of how good the people are following the rules.
But their death rate is one of the highest in the world.
It's one of the highest and their approach was an interesting anthropological one. The elderly and infirmed are seen as a burden on their society and economy.
As someone very rightly pointed out they are very different in the way they think than Brits, their behaviour is very different to ours. This is why any comparisons to other countries fall very short in providing any sort of help to us or us to any others unless there are sociological and behavioural similarities."
Sweden is in fact seen as the third best place in the world to grow old, it has excellent health and transport provisions and the average state pension is £1135 per month which is then added to by a workplace pension averaging £315 per month.
Not bad for a country which you seem to think considers its elderly as a burden. I bet our pensioners wish they were considered as big a burden! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
No, but he did say later in a tv interview of how good their lockdown strategy was, also of how good the people are following the rules.
But their death rate is one of the highest in the world.
It's one of the highest and their approach was an interesting anthropological one. The elderly and infirmed are seen as a burden on their society and economy.
As someone very rightly pointed out they are very different in the way they think than Brits, their behaviour is very different to ours. This is why any comparisons to other countries fall very short in providing any sort of help to us or us to any others unless there are sociological and behavioural similarities.
Sweden is in fact seen as the third best place in the world to grow old, it has excellent health and transport provisions and the average state pension is £1135 per month which is then added to by a workplace pension averaging £315 per month.
Not bad for a country which you seem to think considers its elderly as a burden. I bet our pensioners wish they were considered as big a burden!"
Again you cannot compare those pension figures to us.
Their standard and cost of living far exceeds our own. Yes looks great compared to ours but again as most people seem to do, you're picking parts of data and comparing parts of data, like comparing coffee and alcohol, yes you consume them, they're liquid but the comparison s then stop.
It's a very young country with only about 6% over 80 and the elderly care is mostly funded by municipal taxes and government why is this if they earn so much and have such high pensions? Simply because it costs far more than our own. Comparisons need to be like for like.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
No, but he did say later in a tv interview of how good their lockdown strategy was, also of how good the people are following the rules.
But their death rate is one of the highest in the world.
Actually Peru is the highest death rate in the world and they did a very strict full lockdown.
The death rate has more to do with the medical care available rather than lockdowns and laws on movement."
And this why we can't compare. With an over 80 population of under 6 % and interestingly dropping for the past 25 years compared to our own of 21% and rising, our health care systems cannot be compared either.
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"As someone very rightly pointed out they are very different in the way they think than Brits, their behaviour is very different to ours. This is why any comparisons to other countries fall very short in providing any sort of help to us or us to any others unless there are sociological and behavioural similarities."
What you’ve said above is true.
Sweden is completely different from the U.K. in many ways, so comparing the two is making an apples and oranges comparison.
Sweden is best compared to other Nordic countries where they have sociological, cultural and behavioural similarities.
And when you compare Sweden with its Nordic neighbours, Sweden has the worst outcome among the lot.
Better if the the praise for Sweden was coming from the WHO; not so when it’s coming from an unqualified health individual. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think bill enjoys the company of the Swedish. He did spend a night in the company of jeff epstien, Dr Eva andersson dubin (former miss sweden winner) and her 15 yo daughter in Jan 2011...not long after epstien's release from prison having served time for child trafficking, prostitution etc....
If I was Swedish I wouldn't give a damn what bill gates said about my country |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this praise?
This is from the Telegraph.
"He tended towards thinking Sweden had made a “mistake” in taking a more liberal approach to lockdown, but added that it may have built more natural immunity as a result."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
No, but he did say later in a tv interview of how good their lockdown strategy was, also of how good the people are following the rules.
But their death rate is one of the highest in the world.
It's one of the highest and their approach was an interesting anthropological one. The elderly and infirmed are seen as a burden on their society and economy.
As someone very rightly pointed out they are very different in the way they think than Brits, their behaviour is very different to ours. This is why any comparisons to other countries fall very short in providing any sort of help to us or us to any others unless there are sociological and behavioural similarities.
Sweden is in fact seen as the third best place in the world to grow old, it has excellent health and transport provisions and the average state pension is £1135 per month which is then added to by a workplace pension averaging £315 per month.
Not bad for a country which you seem to think considers its elderly as a burden. I bet our pensioners wish they were considered as big a burden!
Again you cannot compare those pension figures to us.
Their standard and cost of living far exceeds our own. Yes looks great compared to ours but again as most people seem to do, you're picking parts of data and comparing parts of data, like comparing coffee and alcohol, yes you consume them, they're liquid but the comparison s then stop.
It's a very young country with only about 6% over 80 and the elderly care is mostly funded by municipal taxes and government why is this if they earn so much and have such high pensions? Simply because it costs far more than our own. Comparisons need to be like for like.
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Elderly care is funded because the government there chooses to do so, not because people can’t afford it. We used to do the same until people decided tax cuts were more important than looking after the old folk.
Incidentally the average cost of living in Sweden is 1.9% higher than the UK but their average salary is more than 50% higher. It’s true that they have higher tax rates but after tax etc. the average Swede takes home £26,600 the average Brit 24,000. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I am not that keen on his stance on vaccines, but I like it of how he praised sweden for of how good they are handling the situation with their business as usual approach, as cases are going down, what is your view over it? "
It is because the Swedes tend to be smart and make space,wash hands etc whereas the arrogant stupid Brits do not so they have to have lockdowns.
The problems are caused by the population not the government |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"I am not that keen on his stance on vaccines, but I like it of how he praised sweden for of how good they are handling the situation with their business as usual approach, as cases are going down, what is your view over it? "
“.....as cases are going down....”
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Sweden’s cases are not going down. Quite the opposite, they are going up.
Their daily new cases:
5 Sept = 171
13 Oct = 916
14 Oct = 970
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