I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms? |
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I had an email today to say gym would be staying open (local council gym in Salford). Bloody glad to hear it as I'll go mental if it shuts again after I've come out of my post-holiday quarantine!
You know as well as I do though Lionel that any decision made by Boris & the rest of the Chuckle clan isn't exactly going to be based on any sort of logic. |
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"I had an email today to say gym would be staying open (local council gym in Salford). Bloody glad to hear it as I'll go mental if it shuts again after I've come out of my post-holiday quarantine!
You know as well as I do though Lionel that any decision made by Boris & the rest of the Chuckle clan isn't exactly going to be based on any sort of logic."
Ours are all closing so I'm guessing that will apply ti anywhere who goes onto stage 3.
Just literally makes no sense to me. |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?"
The only way of answering this is to seem like a conspiracy theory basket case. I can't see any fact, figure or logic behind it at all. The simple facts are unhealthy, overweight, poor people catch corona more. So they close the gyms. In Merseyside. In winter... 
I have, and will, never use a gym in my life so I have no personal interest, just the lack of logic with these decisions is wrecking my head. Particularly juxtaposed against those in worse or similarly affected areas that aren't imprisoned. The mental health impact on those without any release will be immeasurable. Well, somewhat from suicide stats but how will we know which is redundancy, isolation or depression?  |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
The only way of answering this is to seem like a conspiracy theory basket case. I can't see any fact, figure or logic behind it at all. The simple facts are unhealthy, overweight, poor people catch corona more. So they close the gyms. In Merseyside. In winter...
I have, and will, never use a gym in my life so I have no personal interest, just the lack of logic with these decisions is wrecking my head. Particularly juxtaposed against those in worse or similarly affected areas that aren't imprisoned. The mental health impact on those without any release will be immeasurable. Well, somewhat from suicide stats but how will we know which is redundancy, isolation or depression? "
I know I'm repeating myself but which ever way you look at it..it defies logic.
The infection rate is minimal.
Like you said its going to have an impact on mental health and its barely getting a mention. |
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"I had an email today to say gym would be staying open (local council gym in Salford). Bloody glad to hear it as I'll go mental if it shuts again after I've come out of my post-holiday quarantine!
You know as well as I do though Lionel that any decision made by Boris & the rest of the Chuckle clan isn't exactly going to be based on any sort of logic.
Ours are all closing so I'm guessing that will apply ti anywhere who goes onto stage 3.
Just literally makes no sense to me."
The way the rules are I wonder if some gyms might start serving food too..
Healthy stuff of course.. |
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"I had an email today to say gym would be staying open (local council gym in Salford). Bloody glad to hear it as I'll go mental if it shuts again after I've come out of my post-holiday quarantine!
You know as well as I do though Lionel that any decision made by Boris & the rest of the Chuckle clan isn't exactly going to be based on any sort of logic.
Ours are all closing so I'm guessing that will apply ti anywhere who goes onto stage 3.
Just literally makes no sense to me.
The way the rules are I wonder if some gyms might start serving food too..
Healthy stuff of course.."
Maybe if that cunt who owns wethies ran a gym..they would stay open. |
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"I had an email today to say gym would be staying open (local council gym in Salford). Bloody glad to hear it as I'll go mental if it shuts again after I've come out of my post-holiday quarantine!
You know as well as I do though Lionel that any decision made by Boris & the rest of the Chuckle clan isn't exactly going to be based on any sort of logic.
Ours are all closing so I'm guessing that will apply ti anywhere who goes onto stage 3.
Just literally makes no sense to me.
The way the rules are I wonder if some gyms might start serving food too..
Healthy stuff of course..
Maybe if that cunt who owns wethies ran a gym..they would stay open. "
I honestly think that with such decisions then legal challenges to the legislation might be the only way for some sectors to try and stay open..
Especially in a socially distanced environment with regular cleaning etc ..
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over a year ago
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There's no point whatsoever. It's obviously beneficial for people's physical and mental wellbeing for them to remain open. Plus there's a proven link between obesity and severity of Covid. |
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"There's no point whatsoever. It's obviously beneficial for people's physical and mental wellbeing for them to remain open. Plus there's a proven link between obesity and severity of Covid."
I'm sure they know what they are doing. |
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"There's no point whatsoever. It's obviously beneficial for people's physical and mental wellbeing for them to remain open. Plus there's a proven link between obesity and severity of Covid.
I'm sure they know what they are doing."
*absolves self of conspiracy theory mentalness*
They have to. Gyms have not once been mentioned in a negative light, the only gain is to deprive the poor of health, increasing corona chances.
Same as the 10pm curfew causing mayhem. I didn't see that coming, but I'm not (over)paid to do so. They must have known, and let it happen. It serves their agenda. Sadly not being a conspiracy theory subscriber, I don't know what that agenda is, all I can tell you is the facts are not adding up so something is not right.
Like also, why make a point over casinos, bookies and gaming centres? That affects like seven people 
I am perpetually drawn to remembering Pulp's Common People song "cos there's nothing else to do, except drink, and dance and screw" cos we now can't do any of those poor people, all we have, things to distract from the horrors of daily existence, especially now.. |
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They've played fast and loose with any supposed connections to evidence and the steps they take. Gyms are generally well managed and taking lots of precautions. Meeting at a shop is about all that's possible, except for public transport or being next in line in a queue for something in Liverpool. Greater Manchester resisted.
The clueless are in charge |
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Today will be my last visit to my gym before it is closed again. They have taken huge steps to make it as safe as they possibly can be.
The effect of gyms closing again on people's mental (and physical) health doesn't seem to matter to this bunch of fools .
Am I angry? Yes.
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Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people |
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Some gyms in liverpool are going to defy the lock down.
Not the big chain ones that have gyms all over, but the smaller ones that if closed won't be able to survive and won't have a gym to reopen when restrictions are lifted. |
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there is a video going around of a gym owner from Merseyside (Body Tech Gym) saying that if he closes again there will be no business left to reopen, so they will not be closing their door, regardless of fines or arrest.
He then list a large number of other gyms in Manchester that will be standing with him and refusing to close.
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"Some gyms in liverpool are going to defy the lock down.
Not the big chain ones that have gyms all over, but the smaller ones that if closed won't be able to survive and won't have a gym to reopen when restrictions are lifted."
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"there is a video going around of a gym owner from Merseyside (Body Tech Gym) saying that if he closes again there will be no business left to reopen, so they will not be closing their door, regardless of fines or arrest.
He then list a large number of other gyms in Manchester that will be standing with him and refusing to close.
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Good luck to them all, i hope they get loads of new customers.
All buisness's should be sticking together and say unless they can provide scientific evidence and proven data that they are the cause of spread then we are not going to comply with any restrictions.
Its no good one buisness here or there doing it because they will just get shut down, but if it was every buisness and stay united, with the support of the people then they can fight this. |
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over a year ago
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"there is a video going around of a gym owner from Merseyside (Body Tech Gym) saying that if he closes again there will be no business left to reopen, so they will not be closing their door, regardless of fines or arrest.
He then list a large number of other gyms in Manchester that will be standing with him and refusing to close.
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So the owner(s) will lose their business and their liberty potentially. Makes a lot of sense - not. The words sound fine now, but once the costs of fines and or court action are added in (leaving out the potential imprisonment), there'll be nothing left anyway. |
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Good luck to them all, i hope they get loads of new customers.
All buisness's should be sticking together and say unless they can provide scientific evidence and proven data that they are the cause of spread then we are not going to comply with any restrictions.
Its no good one buisness here or there doing it because they will just get shut down, but if it was every buisness and stay united, with the support of the people then they can fight this."
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"there is a video going around of a gym owner from Merseyside (Body Tech Gym) saying that if he closes again there will be no business left to reopen, so they will not be closing their door, regardless of fines or arrest.
He then list a large number of other gyms in Manchester that will be standing with him and refusing to close.
So the owner(s) will lose their business and their liberty potentially. Makes a lot of sense - not. The words sound fine now, but once the costs of fines and or court action are added in (leaving out the potential imprisonment), there'll be nothing left anyway."
The owner of body tech said that his gym won't survive this new lock down, so if he does nothing now to fight back, he will be kicking him self for never trying when he looks back.
I wish him best of luck.
I see another gym (4 corners gym) has posted to say they too will be remaining open. |
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In full support of these gyms now pushing back and taking a stand. Noise needs to be made.
I work in a gym and see first hand exactly what goes on.
It’s absolute bullshit. |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people"
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal. |
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There's a group started on the Wirral called Empowered Fit and they are a bringing all gyms together as one voice and they are not closing. I'm hoping this takes hold in Liverpool too. They are making a stand and using the figures to argue their point. My gym is definitely closing, so I may be going over to the Wirral!!! The gym is the only thing keeping me sane while the club is closed! |
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"Access to gyms is paramount for mental health, well being & physical health. So, it’s nonsensical if you’re amidst a pandemic & closing them.
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This
Obesity puts people at higher risk from covid, so, severely restricting peoples exercise options, again, not to mention the impact on people's mental wellbeing, is utterly ridiculous |
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Our gym probably feels the safest of all our activities. Well marked out zones for one person only, every member armed with spray and wipes for use before and after using equipment, limited numbers allowed in etc....
And then I go into my local Tesco Express - few people wearing masks, no limit to numbers of people entering and limited social distancing.... Ermmm |
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To me nothing seems to be adding up. Gyms and Pubs have only counted to a small percentage of linked cases of Covid. When I last seen the figures I think in pubs it was about 3% of cases was linked to pubs. |
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"There's a group started on the Wirral called Empowered Fit and they are a bringing all gyms together as one voice and they are not closing. I'm hoping this takes hold in Liverpool too. They are making a stand and using the figures to argue their point. My gym is definitely closing, so I may be going over to the Wirral!!! The gym is the only thing keeping me sane while the club is closed!"
Me too.
Good on them |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal."
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts |
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"To me nothing seems to be adding up. Gyms and Pubs have only counted to a small percentage of linked cases of Covid. When I last seen the figures I think in pubs it was about 3% of cases was linked to pubs. "
this, government seems, intent on taking this country on the road to hell. The areas, where the infection rates are low are now having to pay for the price for this spike. The universities should never have gone back for starters. A day of reckoning awaits Boris and his minnions for his pathetic handling of this
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"To me nothing seems to be adding up. Gyms and Pubs have only counted to a small percentage of linked cases of Covid. When I last seen the figures I think in pubs it was about 3% of cases was linked to pubs. this, government seems, intent on taking this country on the road to hell. The areas, where the infection rates are low are now having to pay for the price for this spike. The universities should never have gone back for starters. A day of reckoning awaits Boris and his minnions for his pathetic handling of this "
It's like they have to be seen to be doing something.
Closing universities and schools is a big call to make so instead they close places where the infections rates are tiny sending many of them out of business.
It is shambolic |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts"
Well surely then you close everything? |
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"To me nothing seems to be adding up. Gyms and Pubs have only counted to a small percentage of linked cases of Covid. When I last seen the figures I think in pubs it was about 3% of cases was linked to pubs. this, government seems, intent on taking this country on the road to hell. The areas, where the infection rates are low are now having to pay for the price for this spike. The universities should never have gone back for starters. A day of reckoning awaits Boris and his minnions for his pathetic handling of this
It's like they have to be seen to be doing something.
Closing universities and schools is a big call to make so instead they close places where the infections rates are tiny sending many of them out of business.
It is shambolic "
that is it. they want to be seen to care when i dont think they do |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?"
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to... |
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Looking at the pictures coming out of the ICU’s on the BBC this morning I would say the poor souls did not catch it in a Gym or a university. Whilst only a snapshot of course of the infected.
Strange old call this one.
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to..."
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you. |
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over a year ago
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you."
Im no expert but would think its because its an airborne transmitted disease and in gym,s people tend to exhale much harder when exercising so projecting a virus further.The same a people not being able to sing in churches or crematoriums now. |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you.Im no expert but would think its because its an airborne transmitted disease and in gym,s people tend to exhale much harder when exercising so projecting a virus further.The same a people not being able to sing in churches or crematoriums now."
So why did that study find the rates tiny?
I think it was 0.34 out of every 100,000.
In ours they had track and trace in place and they took your temp when you went in.
If the results showed a spike..i would agree. |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you.Im no expert but would think its because its an airborne transmitted disease and in gym,s people tend to exhale much harder when exercising so projecting a virus further.The same a people not being able to sing in churches or crematoriums now.
So why did that study find the rates tiny?
I think it was 0.34 out of every 100,000.
In ours they had track and trace in place and they took your temp when you went in.
If the results showed a spike..i would agree."
I have no idea,who did the study what were the rates of transmittion in the areas studied at the time,all these things come into the equation.Your gym may be excellent with the measures in place but others may not be so the easy answer is to shut them all after all so any people have been banging on about not understanding the rules to make different ones for different gyms would just fuel the confusion.Behave yourselves up there for a couple of weeks and they will be open again. |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you.Im no expert but would think its because its an airborne transmitted disease and in gym,s people tend to exhale much harder when exercising so projecting a virus further.The same a people not being able to sing in churches or crematoriums now.
So why did that study find the rates tiny?
I think it was 0.34 out of every 100,000.
In ours they had track and trace in place and they took your temp when you went in.
If the results showed a spike..i would agree.I have no idea,who did the study what were the rates of transmittion in the areas studied at the time,all these things come into the equation.Your gym may be excellent with the measures in place but others may not be so the easy answer is to shut them all after all so any people have been banging on about not understanding the rules to make different ones for different gyms would just fuel the confusion.Behave yourselves up there for a couple of weeks and they will be open again. "
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1case per 100,000 visits.
Fucking insane. |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you.Im no expert but would think its because its an airborne transmitted disease and in gym,s people tend to exhale much harder when exercising so projecting a virus further.The same a people not being able to sing in churches or crematoriums now.
So why did that study find the rates tiny?
I think it was 0.34 out of every 100,000.
In ours they had track and trace in place and they took your temp when you went in.
If the results showed a spike..i would agree.I have no idea,who did the study what were the rates of transmittion in the areas studied at the time,all these things come into the equation.Your gym may be excellent with the measures in place but others may not be so the easy answer is to shut them all after all so any people have been banging on about not understanding the rules to make different ones for different gyms would just fuel the confusion.Behave yourselves up there for a couple of weeks and they will be open again.
UK active
1case per 100,000 visits.
Fucking insane."
They are also shut in paris, madrid and other high areas in europe so i guess there must be some logic behind it and would hazzard a guess its something like i posted before. |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you.Im no expert but would think its because its an airborne transmitted disease and in gym,s people tend to exhale much harder when exercising so projecting a virus further.The same a people not being able to sing in churches or crematoriums now.
So why did that study find the rates tiny?
I think it was 0.34 out of every 100,000.
In ours they had track and trace in place and they took your temp when you went in.
If the results showed a spike..i would agree.I have no idea,who did the study what were the rates of transmittion in the areas studied at the time,all these things come into the equation.Your gym may be excellent with the measures in place but others may not be so the easy answer is to shut them all after all so any people have been banging on about not understanding the rules to make different ones for different gyms would just fuel the confusion.Behave yourselves up there for a couple of weeks and they will be open again.
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1case per 100,000 visits.
Fucking insane.They are also shut in paris, madrid and other high areas in europe so i guess there must be some logic behind it and would hazzard a guess its something like i posted before."
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you.Im no expert but would think its because its an airborne transmitted disease and in gym,s people tend to exhale much harder when exercising so projecting a virus further.The same a people not being able to sing in churches or crematoriums now.
So why did that study find the rates tiny?
I think it was 0.34 out of every 100,000.
In ours they had track and trace in place and they took your temp when you went in.
If the results showed a spike..i would agree.I have no idea,who did the study what were the rates of transmittion in the areas studied at the time,all these things come into the equation.Your gym may be excellent with the measures in place but others may not be so the easy answer is to shut them all after all so any people have been banging on about not understanding the rules to make different ones for different gyms would just fuel the confusion.Behave yourselves up there for a couple of weeks and they will be open again.
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1case per 100,000 visits.
Fucking insane.They are also shut in paris, madrid and other high areas in europe so i guess there must be some logic behind it and would hazzard a guess its something like i posted before."
I've had my say.
The stats are there for anyone to see.
People are going to go out of business and it's going to affect peoples mental health..especially if its rolled out. |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you.Im no expert but would think its because its an airborne transmitted disease and in gym,s people tend to exhale much harder when exercising so projecting a virus further.The same a people not being able to sing in churches or crematoriums now.
So why did that study find the rates tiny?
I think it was 0.34 out of every 100,000.
In ours they had track and trace in place and they took your temp when you went in.
If the results showed a spike..i would agree.I have no idea,who did the study what were the rates of transmittion in the areas studied at the time,all these things come into the equation.Your gym may be excellent with the measures in place but others may not be so the easy answer is to shut them all after all so any people have been banging on about not understanding the rules to make different ones for different gyms would just fuel the confusion.Behave yourselves up there for a couple of weeks and they will be open again.
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1case per 100,000 visits.
Fucking insane.They are also shut in paris, madrid and other high areas in europe so i guess there must be some logic behind it and would hazzard a guess its something like i posted before.
I'm gonna hazard a guess that you have no decent facts to back up your guess? "
Apart from the name of the people who commissioned the study you mean?
And the figures I have posted twice.?
Those type of facts? |
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I never used a gym before covid, the thought of using a machine or weights after someone has been sweating or spitting over them just eeeewwwww, my gym is at home cheap and easy to build, our city is now teir 2,the opening of pubs and clubs and gyms I belive was the cause in the spike |
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"I never used a gym before covid, the thought of using a machine or weights after someone has been sweating or spitting over them just eeeewwwww, my gym is at home cheap and easy to build, our city is now teir 2,the opening of pubs and clubs and gyms I belive was the cause in the spike "
You clean and spray your equipment every time you use it.
There are cleaning stations everywhere. |
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"I never used a gym before covid, the thought of using a machine or weights after someone has been sweating or spitting over them just eeeewwwww, my gym is at home cheap and easy to build, our city is now teir 2,the opening of pubs and clubs and gyms I belive was the cause in the spike "
Home gyms are not suitable or even possible for many |
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Glad I got a Garden Office that I converted. Whilst I have a friendly local Gym you can see this happening on and off now for months if not years.
I follow my local one on social media and the work they put in to make it Covid compliant is impressive. However it would all be for nothing if they do a blanket closure.
Perhaps a system like the food rating inspections on Gyms. If they have a decent Covid compliance system then let them stay open.
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you.Im no expert but would think its because its an airborne transmitted disease and in gym,s people tend to exhale much harder when exercising so projecting a virus further.The same a people not being able to sing in churches or crematoriums now.
So why did that study find the rates tiny?
I think it was 0.34 out of every 100,000.
In ours they had track and trace in place and they took your temp when you went in.
If the results showed a spike..i would agree.I have no idea,who did the study what were the rates of transmittion in the areas studied at the time,all these things come into the equation.Your gym may be excellent with the measures in place but others may not be so the easy answer is to shut them all after all so any people have been banging on about not understanding the rules to make different ones for different gyms would just fuel the confusion.Behave yourselves up there for a couple of weeks and they will be open again.
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1case per 100,000 visits.
Fucking insane.They are also shut in paris, madrid and other high areas in europe so i guess there must be some logic behind it and would hazzard a guess its something like i posted before.
I'm gonna hazard a guess that you have no decent facts to back up your guess?
Apart from the name of the people who commissioned the study you mean?
And the figures I have posted twice.?
Those type of facts?"
Check my post again la.  I was quoting CostaFun not you.  |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you."
I agree with you in that it will cause more damage than good and exercise is important for you hopefully when powers get put to local authorities some can open.
A local college has had to employ security guards to split up non social distancing students of various ages because they refuse(forget) to comply I wonder if this is a direction some local businesses will take to disperse gatherings outside of their premises... |
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you.Im no expert but would think its because its an airborne transmitted disease and in gym,s people tend to exhale much harder when exercising so projecting a virus further.The same a people not being able to sing in churches or crematoriums now.
So why did that study find the rates tiny?
I think it was 0.34 out of every 100,000.
In ours they had track and trace in place and they took your temp when you went in.
If the results showed a spike..i would agree.I have no idea,who did the study what were the rates of transmittion in the areas studied at the time,all these things come into the equation.Your gym may be excellent with the measures in place but others may not be so the easy answer is to shut them all after all so any people have been banging on about not understanding the rules to make different ones for different gyms would just fuel the confusion.Behave yourselves up there for a couple of weeks and they will be open again.
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1case per 100,000 visits.
Fucking insane.They are also shut in paris, madrid and other high areas in europe so i guess there must be some logic behind it and would hazzard a guess its something like i posted before.
I'm gonna hazard a guess that you have no decent facts to back up your guess?
Apart from the name of the people who commissioned the study you mean?
And the figures I have posted twice.?
Those type of facts?
Check my post again la. I was quoting CostaFun not you. "
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"Professor Calum Semple answered that question yesterday morning in his interview, its not inside all gyms (although many cannot provide adequate ventilation) its the social interaction people are having afterwards, they are trying to break our social contact pools of transmission by closing the source of gathering people
Very flimsy reasoning.
Most gyms are modern and have air com etc.
Do people not interact when they finish work/school?
The infectious rate are minimal.
Household mixing is still the highest transmission rate, 2 kids from the same school can go home and pass sars-cov-2 between them so it classes as a household transmission, not an in school transmission. Same at the gym and hospitality you are majority covid safe inside its what you do afterwards that counts
Well surely then you close everything?
Why should businesses have to close because people cannot social distance, people moan that their liberties have been removed but they are not able to follow a couple of instructions, we can live with this virus safely. We choose not to...
But they have closed business where its proved the infection rate is completely minimal.
Where they have strict social distancing and cleansing facilities.
Which ever way you dress it up..it makes no sense and is going to cause more damage than good.
He was even saying last week exercuse was good for you.
I agree with you in that it will cause more damage than good and exercise is important for you hopefully when powers get put to local authorities some can open.
A local college has had to employ security guards to split up non social distancing students of various ages because they refuse(forget) to comply I wonder if this is a direction some local businesses will take to disperse gatherings outside of their premises..."
Universities are the elephant in the room that one will touch.
They shouldn't have gone back. |
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lionel so many of your posts could be swapped out for “the old man took my ball and other people still have their ball its not fair”
well the people you were playing with ignored the no ball games sign and mr grouchy from down the road caught them flattening his plants ... even if you didnt do it the plants still got squashed
dont worry plenty of the rest of us are about to have our balls taken too if it makes you any happier at the fairness of it |
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"lionel so many of your posts could be swapped out for “the old man took my ball and other people still have their ball its not fair”
well the people you were playing with ignored the no ball games sign and mr grouchy from down the road caught them flattening his plants ... even if you didnt do it the plants still got squashed
dont worry plenty of the rest of us are about to have our balls taken too if it makes you any happier at the fairness of it "
No..I'm pissed off because it makes absolutely no sense..there is no evidence it will make any difference..peoples livelihoods will be affected and peoples mental health will suffer.
Still I'm sure they know what they are doing.
From day 1 I've always backed up the measures that have been put in place but I think I've reached tipping point. |
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"lionel so many of your posts could be swapped out for “the old man took my ball and other people still have their ball its not fair”
well the people you were playing with ignored the no ball games sign and mr grouchy from down the road caught them flattening his plants ... even if you didnt do it the plants still got squashed
dont worry plenty of the rest of us are about to have our balls taken too if it makes you any happier at the fairness of it
No..I'm pissed off because it makes absolutely no sense..there is no evidence it will make any difference..peoples livelihoods will be affected and peoples mental health will suffer.
Still I'm sure they know what they are doing.
From day 1 I've always backed up the measures that have been put in place but I think I've reached tipping point."
This was my biggest fear yesterday when the north east was thought to bd going tier 3.
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"I never used a gym before covid, the thought of using a machine or weights after someone has been sweating or spitting over them just eeeewwwww, my gym is at home cheap and easy to build, our city is now teir 2,the opening of pubs and clubs and gyms I belive was the cause in the spike "
Someone who doesn't use a gym blaming the gyms for the spike.
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"lionel so many of your posts could be swapped out for “the old man took my ball and other people still have their ball its not fair”
well the people you were playing with ignored the no ball games sign and mr grouchy from down the road caught them flattening his plants ... even if you didnt do it the plants still got squashed
dont worry plenty of the rest of us are about to have our balls taken too if it makes you any happier at the fairness of it
No..I'm pissed off because it makes absolutely no sense..there is no evidence it will make any difference..peoples livelihoods will be affected and peoples mental health will suffer.
Still I'm sure they know what they are doing.
From day 1 I've always backed up the measures that have been put in place but I think I've reached tipping point.
This was my biggest fear yesterday when the north east was thought to bd going tier 3.
If makes no sense to close something that makes people fit
and healthy. "
And has no evidence in increasing the rate of the disease.
Maybe these "boffins',could explain the rationale behind it instead of assuming we are all too thick too understand. |
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In the Central Belt of Scotland (includes Edinburgh and Glasgow) the latest Scottish Government restrictions mean no indoor group classes in gyms.
David Lloyd have put out the following information regarding their 8 gyms in Scotland:
“The latest data shows that Covid-19 cases in health and fitness Clubs across Scotland remain very low. Since our eight Clubs in Scotland reopened on 31 August, we have had over 251,000 member visits with just four reported cases and no known cases of transmission within our Clubs.”
Doesn’t seem like a major hotbed of transmissions to me... |
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"In the Central Belt of Scotland (includes Edinburgh and Glasgow) the latest Scottish Government restrictions mean no indoor group classes in gyms.
David Lloyd have put out the following information regarding their 8 gyms in Scotland:
“The latest data shows that Covid-19 cases in health and fitness Clubs across Scotland remain very low. Since our eight Clubs in Scotland reopened on 31 August, we have had over 251,000 member visits with just four reported cases and no known cases of transmission within our Clubs.”
Doesn’t seem like a major hotbed of transmissions to me..."
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically  "
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage |
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It was Liverpool mayor that pushed for gyms, bars, pubs, bookies and casinos to close from tomorrow.
Essential travel only, school, work, to receive or provide care and no households mixing. No travelling out the area, no overnight stays and they're popping the support bubble as well.
Gyms, pubs, casinos are not essential travel. Why restaurants are allowed to open is the mystery. Do people not own ovens?
William Hill knew yesterday morning they would be shutting the Liverpool shops down from tonight. Because they called the staff needed to do it yesterday morning. |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage "
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture "
Based on what? |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?"
Well did you not read what Karen from Facebook said?
Love people on here who are able to "think", "guess", "assume" better than an actual study that's been carried out. |
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"In the Central Belt of Scotland (includes Edinburgh and Glasgow) the latest Scottish Government restrictions mean no indoor group classes in gyms.
David Lloyd have put out the following information regarding their 8 gyms in Scotland:
“The latest data shows that Covid-19 cases in health and fitness Clubs across Scotland remain very low. Since our eight Clubs in Scotland reopened on 31 August, we have had over 251,000 member visits with just four reported cases and no known cases of transmission within our Clubs.”
Doesn’t seem like a major hotbed of transmissions to me...
They have stayed open up there havent they?"
They have apart from no group classes or swimming lessons for those 18 or over.
I suspect gym closures will be the next thing here... |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?"
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Well did you not read what Karen from Facebook said?
Love people on here who are able to "think", "guess", "assume" better than an actual study that's been carried out. "
Any fool can find a "study"to "prove" their case lol |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Well did you not read what Karen from Facebook said?
Love people on here who are able to "think", "guess", "assume" better than an actual study that's been carried out.
Any fool can find a "study"to "prove" their case lol"
So you have no evidence whatsoever..you just dont think its right? |
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It’s schools and colleges ... 36% of transmission has come from these places followed by I think 12% in workplaces ....... Bojo Et al are trying to lock down the 68% to allow schools and workplaces to continue. (Source report displayed on sky) |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Well did you not read what Karen from Facebook said?
Love people on here who are able to "think", "guess", "assume" better than an actual study that's been carried out.
Any fool can find a "study"to "prove" their case lol"
Happy to be a fool then in that case rather than someone who shows "common sense". I guess it's the the rest of the British population who are showing this common sense that are responsible for the rise in cases eh?
Btw, my gym must have 25% OAP members, some of them I see in there 4 or 5 times a week. I've not heard of one of them catching COVID. How's that's for a study? |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you "
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
KJ"
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
KJ
Spot on."
wait they put the responsibility in the local leaders that on sunday you were saying had no power and had been given no consultation? 
so which is it? they have the power and freedom to apply additional measures if they wish or they are kicking off about what is being done to them without any input? |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
KJ
Spot on.
wait they put the responsibility in the local leaders that on sunday you were saying had no power and had been given no consultation?
so which is it? they have the power and freedom to apply additional measures if they wish or they are kicking off about what is being done to them without any input? "
The way I read it was this.
They were told last week in no uncertain terms that stricter measures were going to be invoked and they had to comply.
By Friday a host of politicians from the nw were saying they hadn't been consulted and left in the dark.
They met over the weekend and my guess Is some of deal had been reached as their tone is a lot more conciliatory.
The politicians here though have come in for a great deal of criticism.
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As an aside a Sunderland mp was invited to a conference call.
Unfortunately boris thought the city only had 1 mp and the other 2 were not invited.
Lisa nandy was also not invited as they were not sure where wigan was.
Whatever you say about bj toy cant fault his attention to detail. |
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I suspect the conversation between Boris and the councils would be something along the lines of 'do as you are told and we will give you more funding, rock the boat and we will reduce it'
I have no evidence for this, but having been involved in local politics some years ago it happened then and I am sure it still happens.
Politicians will do what they think is best for themselves, does anyone actually believe anything else ?
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"I suspect the conversation between Boris and the councils would be something along the lines of 'do as you are told and we will give you more funding, rock the boat and we will reduce it'
I have no evidence for this, but having been involved in local politics some years ago it happened then and I am sure it still happens.
Politicians will do what they think is best for themselves, does anyone actually believe anything else ?
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"I suspect the conversation between Boris and the councils would be something along the lines of 'do as you are told and we will give you more funding, rock the boat and we will reduce it'
I have no evidence for this, but having been involved in local politics some years ago it happened then and I am sure it still happens.
Politicians will do what they think is best for themselves, does anyone actually believe anything else ?
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Absolutely agree.
And an area like Liverpool which has had its funding cut to the bone in recent years is in no position refuse.
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically "
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
KJ
Spot on.
wait they put the responsibility in the local leaders that on sunday you were saying had no power and had been given no consultation?
so which is it? they have the power and freedom to apply additional measures if they wish or they are kicking off about what is being done to them without any input? "
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"As an aside a Sunderland mp was invited to a conference call.
Unfortunately boris thought the city only had 1 mp and the other 2 were not invited.
Lisa nandy was also not invited as they were not sure where wigan was.
Whatever you say about bj toy cant fault his attention to detail."
To be fair, it's probably best not to know where Wigan is (runs for tinfoil hat to ward off incoming pie-barrage) |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
KJ
Spot on.
wait they put the responsibility in the local leaders that on sunday you were saying had no power and had been given no consultation?
so which is it? they have the power and freedom to apply additional measures if they wish or they are kicking off about what is being done to them without any input?
The way I read it was this.
They were told last week in no uncertain terms that stricter measures were going to be invoked and they had to comply.
By Friday a host of politicians from the nw were saying they hadn't been consulted and left in the dark.
They met over the weekend and my guess Is some of deal had been reached as their tone is a lot more conciliatory.
The politicians here though have come in for a great deal of criticism.
So hope that answers your question?"
Hopefully that in someway answers her question.
The Tier 3 that finally came is very different to what the goverment along with Chris Whittey wanted. Conssesions were made in talks and deals that went on throughout the last few days a night.
Some local MPs have refused to sign up to tier 3 still.
It's a complex power battle between mainly local labour MPs who were originally not consulted, kept in the dark when this news started to break last week and then spent the weekend and throughout Sunday night into Monday morning lobbying and fighting a central Tory government for less restrictions in their constituencies. In part they won some concessions enough for Chris Whittey to publically say he has no confidence in the 3 tier system as it now stands.
Now just 2 hrs ago Kier Starmer the labour leader is calling for a 2 to 3 week full national lock down circuit breaker! I'm sure many of his MPs fighting against further restrictions in there own areas were timing with that.
KJ
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
So not schools and universities then?"
1000s of young people all going to the same place and once?
Nah
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"there is a video going around of a gym owner from Merseyside (Body Tech Gym) saying that if he closes again there will be no business left to reopen, so they will not be closing their door, regardless of fines or arrest.
He then list a large number of other gyms in Manchester that will be standing with him and refusing to close.
Good luck to them all, i hope they get loads of new customers.
All buisness's should be sticking together and say unless they can provide scientific evidence and proven data that they are the cause of spread then we are not going to comply with any restrictions.
Its no good one buisness here or there doing it because they will just get shut down, but if it was every buisness and stay united, with the support of the people then they can fight this."
That's right all stick together that's the way to go.......they cant police all of them ..... |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?"
They're private. Schools are the state. Haven't you notice his the private sector has been attacked and the state sector expanded? |
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Serious question, how the hell can they possibly know where a person has picked up the virus from???
So for instance 'x' amount of cases from pubs and bars ect its impossible to know thats where they picked it up, those people have probably been to other places aswell ie, shopping, uni, parks, family houses ect
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
They're private. Schools are the state. Haven't you notice his the private sector has been attacked and the state sector expanded?"
Some are council gyms and some are private schools?
How was the state expanded? |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
KJ
Spot on.
wait they put the responsibility in the local leaders that on sunday you were saying had no power and had been given no consultation?
so which is it? they have the power and freedom to apply additional measures if they wish or they are kicking off about what is being done to them without any input?
The way I read it was this.
They were told last week in no uncertain terms that stricter measures were going to be invoked and they had to comply.
By Friday a host of politicians from the nw were saying they hadn't been consulted and left in the dark.
They met over the weekend and my guess Is some of deal had been reached as their tone is a lot more conciliatory.
The politicians here though have come in for a great deal of criticism.
So hope that answers your question?
Hopefully that in someway answers her question.
The Tier 3 that finally came is very different to what the goverment along with Chris Whittey wanted. Conssesions were made in talks and deals that went on throughout the last few days a night.
Some local MPs have refused to sign up to tier 3 still.
It's a complex power battle between mainly local labour MPs who were originally not consulted, kept in the dark when this news started to break last week and then spent the weekend and throughout Sunday night into Monday morning lobbying and fighting a central Tory government for less restrictions in their constituencies. In part they won some concessions enough for Chris Whittey to publically say he has no confidence in the 3 tier system as it now stands.
Now just 2 hrs ago Kier Starmer the labour leader is calling for a 2 to 3 week full national lock down circuit breaker! I'm sure many of his MPs fighting against further restrictions in there own areas were timing with that.
KJ
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Definitely.
I think all sorts of shenanigans have gone on behind closed doors.
As someone pointed out today though..if the problem gets worse boris can just say well you said you were handling it.
If it improves (ha)he can take the credit.
Win.win. |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?"
One gym owner in Liverpool has kicked off and says he is not going to close... |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
KJ
Spot on.
wait they put the responsibility in the local leaders that on sunday you were saying had no power and had been given no consultation?
so which is it? they have the power and freedom to apply additional measures if they wish or they are kicking off about what is being done to them without any input?
Your response clearly shows you don't follow politics. "
my response was actually a question for lionel who doesn’t seem to mind if his points entirely contradict each other as long as they are all against the government |
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"As an aside a Sunderland mp was invited to a conference call.
Unfortunately boris thought the city only had 1 mp and the other 2 were not invited.
Lisa nandy was also not invited as they were not sure where wigan was.
Whatever you say about bj toy cant fault his attention to detail.
To be fair, it's probably best not to know where Wigan is (runs for tinfoil hat to ward off incoming pie-barrage) "
while i agree boris is an absolute buffoon , nobody here actually thinks he arranges and sets up his own calls do you? |
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oh and KJ while i do follow politics ive been making it clear for weeks that i think playing politics with a virus is stupid .., it doesn’t care if you vote tory or labour or greens, doesn’t give a crap if you government is devolved or the rules you follow were set by national or local government ... it just wants opportunities to spread .. and while we all ignore the rules because we dont like who set them we give it plenty of those opportunities |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
One gym owner in Liverpool has kicked off and says he is not going to close... "
There are quite a few. |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
KJ
Spot on.
wait they put the responsibility in the local leaders that on sunday you were saying had no power and had been given no consultation?
so which is it? they have the power and freedom to apply additional measures if they wish or they are kicking off about what is being done to them without any input?
Your response clearly shows you don't follow politics.
my response was actually a question for lionel who doesn’t seem to mind if his points entirely contradict each other as long as they are all against the government"
Ha ha.
Where did I contradict myself? |
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"As an aside a Sunderland mp was invited to a conference call.
Unfortunately boris thought the city only had 1 mp and the other 2 were not invited.
Lisa nandy was also not invited as they were not sure where wigan was.
Whatever you say about bj toy cant fault his attention to detail.
To be fair, it's probably best not to know where Wigan is (runs for tinfoil hat to ward off incoming pie-barrage)
while i agree boris is an absolute buffoon , nobody here actually thinks he arranges and sets up his own calls do you? "
He probably doesn't even take them.
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
One gym owner in Liverpool has kicked off and says he is not going to close...
There are quite a few."
The owner of the gym i use when I home has said if he has to close again he wont be able to afford to reopen.
His gym is very much covid secure. |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
One gym owner in Liverpool has kicked off and says he is not going to close...
There are quite a few.
The owner of the gym i use when I home has said if he has to close again he wont be able to afford to reopen.
His gym is very much covid secure."
They are all saying that and it's got fuck all coverage on the media. |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
KJ
Spot on.
wait they put the responsibility in the local leaders that on sunday you were saying had no power and had been given no consultation?
so which is it? they have the power and freedom to apply additional measures if they wish or they are kicking off about what is being done to them without any input?
Your response clearly shows you don't follow politics.
my response was actually a question for lionel who doesn’t seem to mind if his points entirely contradict each other as long as they are all against the government
Ha ha.
Where did I contradict myself?"
you were complaining for days that the government were a shambles for not discussing the decisions with local leaders
now they are a shambles for letting them make their own
oh and a lockdown in liverpool is a disgrace and going to ruin the economy but labour suggest we need it stronger and nationwide and suddenly you seemed on board with it (either In 3 weeks or for 3 weeks wasn’t sure which you meant) |
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"My local yesterday looked like nothing short of a busy night club "
I am working in London and cant believe the lack of masks down here compared to up in Newcastle. |
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"It's getting spread and brought back to families somehow , I would suspect gyms could be a source looking at it logically
As has been posted in this thread multiple times the stats show it is a tiny tiny percentage
I really do not think these stats paint an accurate picture
Based on what?
Based on every individual sector coming up with figures that "show" it's not from them.
It's coming from somewhere and common sense tells you
Dear god its not just the individual sectors coming up with these stats. You only need to look at the governments own track and trace covid incident data to see that in recent weeks over 50% of all covid incidents occurred in educational settings, approx 18% in work places and a whole 3% in the hospitality sector i.e. pubs, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pub owners didn't do the research and provide that data the governments track and trace did!
Same with gym transmission the figures are tiny across a range of studies. Not just in the UK but across the globe.
The goverment doesn't want to target the education sector or the workplaces so they feel they need to be seen to take some action so are targeting areas where even if they are shut down completely the percentage saved would be minimal. It's a case of denfinately not following the science.
Look at Mr Fear Himself Chris Whittey yesterday when he was asked if he was confident the 3 tiers will reduced infections. He said he was not confident at all they would work and then said to have a chance local leaders would need to add many more targeted restrictions on top.
It's pretty clear Tier 3 was meant to be much tougher and the government has backed down and put the additional need of restrictions on the toes of local Majors and leaders.
KJ
Spot on.
wait they put the responsibility in the local leaders that on sunday you were saying had no power and had been given no consultation?
so which is it? they have the power and freedom to apply additional measures if they wish or they are kicking off about what is being done to them without any input?
Your response clearly shows you don't follow politics.
my response was actually a question for lionel who doesn’t seem to mind if his points entirely contradict each other as long as they are all against the government
Ha ha.
Where did I contradict myself?
you were complaining for days that the government were a shambles for not discussing the decisions with local leaders
now they are a shambles for letting them make their own
oh and a lockdown in liverpool is a disgrace and going to ruin the economy but labour suggest we need it stronger and nationwide and suddenly you seemed on board with it (either In 3 weeks or for 3 weeks wasn’t sure which you meant) "
The gmnt left local leaders in the dark
Fact
Care to point out where I said it was a shambles to give them a degree of influence?
I actually said It was a win/win for boris.
I've said a nation lockdown looks inevitable. I haven't said it's a great idea..though perhaps we may have no choice.
And I've been talking about the ridiculous plan to close gyms where universities are staying open
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?"
I have vitiated a lot of gyms recently, they are operating or trying to operate safely, it all depends on the staff controlling the members.
I have seen quite a few people not wearing masks, not cleaning the machines down before and after use, this all adds to the issue of controlling the virus.
One gym had the GM watching the floor the whole time, making people who are spotting wear a mask, giving members the cloth to go back and clean the machine they last used.
It all depends on what was seen during a visit, or a what was said in a complaint. |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
I have vitiated a lot of gyms recently, they are operating or trying to operate safely, it all depends on the staff controlling the members.
I have seen quite a few people not wearing masks, not cleaning the machines down before and after use, this all adds to the issue of controlling the virus.
One gym had the GM watching the floor the whole time, making people who are spotting wear a mask, giving members the cloth to go back and clean the machine they last used.
It all depends on what was seen during a visit, or a what was said in a complaint."
It would be nice if someone could provide a cast iron reason why its makes sense to shut them. |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
I have vitiated a lot of gyms recently, they are operating or trying to operate safely, it all depends on the staff controlling the members.
I have seen quite a few people not wearing masks, not cleaning the machines down before and after use, this all adds to the issue of controlling the virus.
One gym had the GM watching the floor the whole time, making people who are spotting wear a mask, giving members the cloth to go back and clean the machine they last used.
It all depends on what was seen during a visit, or a what was said in a complaint."
Since when was it a requirement to wear a mask in the gym? My local council gym has hand sanitising on entry, on exit and on entering the gym. Every time you use a piece of equipment you spray it down and wipe it clean. After each hourly gym slot a member of staff then does a more thorough deep clean before the next bunch of gym-goers arrive. The changing rooms are in use but customers are active encouraged not to use them and I've used then probably twice in 6 weeks for a pee. As far as I know virtually no-one uses them.
Closing gyms is NOT the answer or even a small part of the solution. |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
I have vitiated a lot of gyms recently, they are operating or trying to operate safely, it all depends on the staff controlling the members.
I have seen quite a few people not wearing masks, not cleaning the machines down before and after use, this all adds to the issue of controlling the virus.
One gym had the GM watching the floor the whole time, making people who are spotting wear a mask, giving members the cloth to go back and clean the machine they last used.
It all depends on what was seen during a visit, or a what was said in a complaint.
It would be nice if someone could provide a cast iron reason why its makes sense to shut them."
They can't as there isn't one. |
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rejoined a well known gym chain and have been pleasantly surprised at how conscientious members are cleaning weights and machines etc... there are plenty of hand sanatiser and wipes. im usually the oldest person in the gym but don't feel that im putting myself at risk as a result of going there. |
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My little independent gym is amazing, you can see how clean it is.. 7 tables of fully stocked disinfectant blue roll and hand sanitizer at each one.. everyone and i mean that because its small you cab see everyone, cleans the equipment before and after they use it even if I saw the person before me do it.. I still do it as do others! Fingers crossed it stays open as my mental health will suffer even more than it is already X |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
I have vitiated a lot of gyms recently, they are operating or trying to operate safely, it all depends on the staff controlling the members.
I have seen quite a few people not wearing masks, not cleaning the machines down before and after use, this all adds to the issue of controlling the virus.
One gym had the GM watching the floor the whole time, making people who are spotting wear a mask, giving members the cloth to go back and clean the machine they last used.
It all depends on what was seen during a visit, or a what was said in a complaint.
Since when was it a requirement to wear a mask in the gym? My local council gym has hand sanitising on entry, on exit and on entering the gym. Every time you use a piece of equipment you spray it down and wipe it clean. After each hourly gym slot a member of staff then does a more thorough deep clean before the next bunch of gym-goers arrive. The changing rooms are in use but customers are active encouraged not to use them and I've used then probably twice in 6 weeks for a pee. As far as I know virtually no-one uses them.
Closing gyms is NOT the answer or even a small part of the solution."
Yeah I thought that.
How can you work out in a mask?
Great letter in the echo tonight saying to help beat the virus you need a good immune system..and part of that is regular exercise.
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
I have vitiated a lot of gyms recently, they are operating or trying to operate safely, it all depends on the staff controlling the members.
I have seen quite a few people not wearing masks, not cleaning the machines down before and after use, this all adds to the issue of controlling the virus.
One gym had the GM watching the floor the whole time, making people who are spotting wear a mask, giving members the cloth to go back and clean the machine they last used.
It all depends on what was seen during a visit, or a what was said in a complaint.
Since when was it a requirement to wear a mask in the gym? My local council gym has hand sanitising on entry, on exit and on entering the gym. Every time you use a piece of equipment you spray it down and wipe it clean. After each hourly gym slot a member of staff then does a more thorough deep clean before the next bunch of gym-goers arrive. The changing rooms are in use but customers are active encouraged not to use them and I've used then probably twice in 6 weeks for a pee. As far as I know virtually no-one uses them.
Closing gyms is NOT the answer or even a small part of the solution.
Yeah I thought that.
How can you work out in a mask?
Great letter in the echo tonight saying to help beat the virus you need a good immune system..and part of that is regular exercise.
Another winner from boris."
I use to get regular exercise every day, I never went into a gym.
I took a dog for a long walk, I cycled for 2 hours, went for a run and even went off for a few hours in the countryside getting to learn how to use a camera correctly.
You don't need a gym, to exercise. |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
I have vitiated a lot of gyms recently, they are operating or trying to operate safely, it all depends on the staff controlling the members.
I have seen quite a few people not wearing masks, not cleaning the machines down before and after use, this all adds to the issue of controlling the virus.
One gym had the GM watching the floor the whole time, making people who are spotting wear a mask, giving members the cloth to go back and clean the machine they last used.
It all depends on what was seen during a visit, or a what was said in a complaint.
Since when was it a requirement to wear a mask in the gym? My local council gym has hand sanitising on entry, on exit and on entering the gym. Every time you use a piece of equipment you spray it down and wipe it clean. After each hourly gym slot a member of staff then does a more thorough deep clean before the next bunch of gym-goers arrive. The changing rooms are in use but customers are active encouraged not to use them and I've used then probably twice in 6 weeks for a pee. As far as I know virtually no-one uses them.
Closing gyms is NOT the answer or even a small part of the solution.
Yeah I thought that.
How can you work out in a mask?
Great letter in the echo tonight saying to help beat the virus you need a good immune system..and part of that is regular exercise.
Another winner from boris.
I use to get regular exercise every day, I never went into a gym.
I took a dog for a long walk, I cycled for 2 hours, went for a run and even went off for a few hours in the countryside getting to learn how to use a camera correctly.
You don't need a gym, to exercise."
All that is a lot harder in the winter.
No you don't but it doesnt do any harm
Some people like to simmer
Some people like to do classes
Some people like to see their friends
All that has gone for no reason whatsoever.
Gyms have stayed open in Scotland and Ireland. |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?"
Because 78 go home and spread it to their family of 4 (who's parents are likely higher risk)... they are also highly likely to be in the 19-25 age range that go to academic establishment and hospitality industry... etc. etc.
We all love the gym but the touch points, air circulation, everyone is strong and healthy and therefore show no symptoms.
They only get closed in very high risk areas.
And let's remember 78 because we ... yep closed all the gyms. |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
Because 78 go home and spread it to their family of 4 (who's parents are likely higher risk)... they are also highly likely to be in the 19-25 age range that go to academic establishment and hospitality industry... etc. etc.
We all love the gym but the touch points, air circulation, everyone is strong and healthy and therefore show no symptoms.
They only get closed in very high risk areas.
And let's remember 78 because we ... yep closed all the gyms. "
78 out of 22 million? |
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"Serious question, how the hell can they possibly know where a person has picked up the virus from???
So for instance 'x' amount of cases from pubs and bars ect its impossible to know thats where they picked it up, those people have probably been to other places aswell ie, shopping, uni, parks, family houses ect
Make of that what you will "
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
Because 78 go home and spread it to their family of 4 (who's parents are likely higher risk)... they are also highly likely to be in the 19-25 age range that go to academic establishment and hospitality industry... etc. etc.
We all love the gym but the touch points, air circulation, everyone is strong and healthy and therefore show no symptoms.
They only get closed in very high risk areas.
And let's remember 78 because we ... yep closed all the gyms.
78 out of 22 million?"
oh now you've said it like that... how stupid of me. You're right. I 100% agree you need to get your bi and tri day in. I mean no one will die right?
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
Because 78 go home and spread it to their family of 4 (who's parents are likely higher risk)... they are also highly likely to be in the 19-25 age range that go to academic establishment and hospitality industry... etc. etc.
We all love the gym but the touch points, air circulation, everyone is strong and healthy and therefore show no symptoms.
They only get closed in very high risk areas.
And let's remember 78 because we ... yep closed all the gyms.
78 out of 22 million?
oh now you've said it like that... how stupid of me. You're right. I 100% agree you need to get your bi and tri day in. I mean no one will die right?
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No you have got me there.
A minuscule amount of people have caught covid in 1 location therefore its perfectly acceptable to let countless people suffer mental health issues aswell to being even more susceptible to catching it.
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"Well the rebellion of gym in Liverpool is happening. Videos of armed police in the gyms issuing fines.
Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines"
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
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"Well the rebellion of gym in Liverpool is happening. Videos of armed police in the gyms issuing fines.
Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
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I donated to their GoFundMe today to help cover the fines |
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"I read a report yday which said that in 22 million visits 78 cases of covid were reported (ukactive)
It seems clear that universities in particular (and schools)are topping the list of covid infections yet certain businesses are being targeted.
So..serous question..what is the point in closing gyms?
I have vitiated a lot of gyms recently, they are operating or trying to operate safely, it all depends on the staff controlling the members.
I have seen quite a few people not wearing masks, not cleaning the machines down before and after use, this all adds to the issue of controlling the virus.
One gym had the GM watching the floor the whole time, making people who are spotting wear a mask, giving members the cloth to go back and clean the machine they last used.
It all depends on what was seen during a visit, or a what was said in a complaint.
Since when was it a requirement to wear a mask in the gym? My local council gym has hand sanitising on entry, on exit and on entering the gym. Every time you use a piece of equipment you spray it down and wipe it clean. After each hourly gym slot a member of staff then does a more thorough deep clean before the next bunch of gym-goers arrive. The changing rooms are in use but customers are active encouraged not to use them and I've used then probably twice in 6 weeks for a pee. As far as I know virtually no-one uses them.
Closing gyms is NOT the answer or even a small part of the solution.
Yeah I thought that.
How can you work out in a mask?
Great letter in the echo tonight saying to help beat the virus you need a good immune system..and part of that is regular exercise.
Another winner from boris.
I use to get regular exercise every day, I never went into a gym.
I took a dog for a long walk, I cycled for 2 hours, went for a run and even went off for a few hours in the countryside getting to learn how to use a camera correctly.
You don't need a gym, to exercise."
That's good for you
Many people definitely do need a gym to exercise
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"Well the rebellion of gym in Liverpool is happening. Videos of armed police in the gyms issuing fines.
Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
I donated to their GoFundMe today to help cover the fines "
Apparently they are going to stay open. |
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"Well the rebellion of gym in Liverpool is happening. Videos of armed police in the gyms issuing fines.
Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
I donated to their GoFundMe today to help cover the fines
Apparently they are going to stay open."
Good, so they should
Gyms provide a public health service |
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over a year ago
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"Well the rebellion of gym in Liverpool is happening. Videos of armed police in the gyms issuing fines.
Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
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They only do that if you happen to be an MP or parliamentary advisor.
The rest of us are walking cash machines. |
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"Well the rebellion of gym in Liverpool is happening. Videos of armed police in the gyms issuing fines.
Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
I donated to their GoFundMe today to help cover the fines
Apparently they are going to stay open.
Good, so they should
Gyms provide a public health service "
Plus great for mental health too
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"Well the rebellion of gym in Liverpool is happening. Videos of armed police in the gyms issuing fines.
Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
I donated to their GoFundMe today to help cover the fines
Apparently they are going to stay open.
Good, so they should
Gyms provide a public health service
Plus great for mental health too
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"Well the rebellion of gym in Liverpool is happening. Videos of armed police in the gyms issuing fines.
Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
I donated to their GoFundMe today to help cover the fines
Apparently they are going to stay open.
Good, so they should
Gyms provide a public health service "
Whilst I applaud their stance I just think it a futile.
They will just keep coming out to close it.
Obviously they havent got anything more important to investigate. |
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Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
I donated to their GoFundMe today to help cover the fines "
You gorgeous person you!! My wonderful (and impoverished fucked over in the arts) mates at hot water comedy club are fundraising and giving their desperately needed earnings to this, absolute legends  xx |
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"Well the rebellion of gym in Liverpool is happening. Videos of armed police in the gyms issuing fines.
Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
I donated to their GoFundMe today to help cover the fines
You gorgeous person you!! My wonderful (and impoverished fucked over in the arts) mates at hot water comedy club are fundraising and giving their desperately needed earnings to this, absolute legends xx"
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"Well the rebellion of gym in Liverpool is happening. Videos of armed police in the gyms issuing fines.
Multiple gyms refusing to shut and already accumulating thousands of pounds in fines
Nice to see them taking the softly softly approach.
I donated to their GoFundMe today to help cover the fines
You gorgeous person you!! My wonderful (and impoverished fucked over in the arts) mates at hot water comedy club are fundraising and giving their desperately needed earnings to this, absolute legends xx"
The GoFundMe total currently stands at £46,686. Not a bad fucking effort so far |
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"Lancashire gyms stay open in tier 3..
It's almost like theres no consistency.."
Didn't they leave it for Local Authorities to decide locally on Gyms and Beauty Salons and Hairdressers et-al |
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"Lancashire gyms stay open in tier 3..
It's almost like theres no consistency..
Didn't they leave it for Local Authorities to decide locally on Gyms and Beauty Salons and Hairdressers et-al"
Possibly?
But it just shows what a mess the plan is.
Completely inconsistent. |
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"Lancashire gyms stay open in tier 3..
It's almost like theres no consistency..
Didn't they leave it for Local Authorities to decide locally on Gyms and Beauty Salons and Hairdressers et-al
Possibly?
But it just shows what a mess the plan is.
Completely inconsistent. "
It is now a mess |
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"Lancashire gyms stay open in tier 3..
It's almost like theres no consistency..
Didn't they leave it for Local Authorities to decide locally on Gyms and Beauty Salons and Hairdressers et-al
Possibly?
But it just shows what a mess the plan is.
Completely inconsistent. "
Liverpool local leaders added gyms, to the shut down list not Boris Johnson.
Because critical care beds are full.
Tier 3 basics but local leaders can enhance it
Gyms forced to close by police and fines issued which has surprised me. |
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"Lancashire gyms stay open in tier 3..
It's almost like theres no consistency..
Didn't they leave it for Local Authorities to decide locally on Gyms and Beauty Salons and Hairdressers et-al
Possibly?
But it just shows what a mess the plan is.
Completely inconsistent.
Liverpool local leaders added gyms, to the shut down list not Boris Johnson.
Because critical care beds are full.
Tier 3 basics but local leaders can enhance it
Gyms forced to close by police and fines issued which has surprised me."
Are you sure about that, I thought Anderson was opposed to the gyms being shut and I think though not totally sure that Rotheram said the deal was imposed..?
Anderson and the Wirral mayor are seeking clarification from government as to why the gyms have had to close and Lancashire's can stay open.. |
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"Lancashire gyms stay open in tier 3..
It's almost like theres no consistency..
Didn't they leave it for Local Authorities to decide locally on Gyms and Beauty Salons and Hairdressers et-al
Possibly?
But it just shows what a mess the plan is.
Completely inconsistent. "
Let's make a consistent clear national plan!
*Breaks within a week* |
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"Lancashire gyms stay open in tier 3..
It's almost like theres no consistency..
Didn't they leave it for Local Authorities to decide locally on Gyms and Beauty Salons and Hairdressers et-al
Possibly?
But it just shows what a mess the plan is.
Completely inconsistent.
Let's make a consistent clear national plan!
*Breaks within a week*"
Two days.. |
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"Lancashire gyms stay open in tier 3..
It's almost like theres no consistency..
Didn't they leave it for Local Authorities to decide locally on Gyms and Beauty Salons and Hairdressers et-al
Possibly?
But it just shows what a mess the plan is.
Completely inconsistent.
Liverpool local leaders added gyms, to the shut down list not Boris Johnson.
Because critical care beds are full.
Tier 3 basics but local leaders can enhance it
Gyms forced to close by police and fines issued which has surprised me."
Not according to Joe anderson |
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"The levels of incompetence are actually frightening. "
We could put actual children in charge and this might work better. And I don't mean from the gifted and talented set, and I mean primary school. |
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"The levels of incompetence are actually frightening.
We could put actual children in charge and this might work better. And I don't mean from the gifted and talented set, and I mean primary school."
We could give tipsy chimpanzees a go and I'm they couldnt do much worse. |
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"The levels of incompetence are actually frightening.
We could put actual children in charge and this might work better. And I don't mean from the gifted and talented set, and I mean primary school.
We could give tipsy chimpanzees a go and I'm they couldnt do much worse."
Poo flinging might be a transmission risk |
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"Lancashire gyms stay open in tier 3..
It's almost like theres no consistency..
Didn't they leave it for Local Authorities to decide locally on Gyms and Beauty Salons and Hairdressers et-al
Possibly?
But it just shows what a mess the plan is.
Completely inconsistent.
Liverpool local leaders added gyms, to the shut down list not Boris Johnson.
Because critical care beds are full.
Tier 3 basics but local leaders can enhance it
Gyms forced to close by police and fines issued which has surprised me."
Liverpool leaders certainly didn't add gyms, according to Liverpool's leaders |
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"Lancashire gyms stay open in tier 3..
It's almost like theres no consistency..
Didn't they leave it for Local Authorities to decide locally on Gyms and Beauty Salons and Hairdressers et-al
Possibly?
But it just shows what a mess the plan is.
Completely inconsistent.
Liverpool local leaders added gyms, to the shut down list not Boris Johnson.
Because critical care beds are full.
Tier 3 basics but local leaders can enhance it
Gyms forced to close by police and fines issued which has surprised me.
Liverpool leaders certainly didn't add gyms, according to Liverpool's leaders "
See the government knew last night what they were about to sign off with Lancashire on in relation to their tier 3 deal, so why not get ahead of the game and inform Liverpool there has been a change of policy due to them listening to the science etc..
But nope..
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"I had an email today to say gym would be staying open (local council gym in Salford). Bloody glad to hear it as I'll go mental if it shuts again after I've come out of my post-holiday quarantine!
You know as well as I do though Lionel that any decision made by Boris & the rest of the Chuckle clan isn't exactly going to be based on any sort of logic.
Ours are all closing so I'm guessing that will apply ti anywhere who goes onto stage 3.
Just literally makes no sense to me."
No...did you not know we are having...tier 3a..3b...3c etc |
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"I had an email today to say gym would be staying open (local council gym in Salford). Bloody glad to hear it as I'll go mental if it shuts again after I've come out of my post-holiday quarantine!
You know as well as I do though Lionel that any decision made by Boris & the rest of the Chuckle clan isn't exactly going to be based on any sort of logic.
Ours are all closing so I'm guessing that will apply ti anywhere who goes onto stage 3.
Just literally makes no sense to me.
No...did you not know we are having...tier 3a..3b...3c etc"
There will be a new National Lottery draw to win a reduction for your area from a 3 to a 2, or c to b etc, if tickets don't get the bonus ball. |
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"I had an email today to say gym would be staying open (local council gym in Salford). Bloody glad to hear it as I'll go mental if it shuts again after I've come out of my post-holiday quarantine!
You know as well as I do though Lionel that any decision made by Boris & the rest of the Chuckle clan isn't exactly going to be based on any sort of logic.
Ours are all closing so I'm guessing that will apply ti anywhere who goes onto stage 3.
Just literally makes no sense to me.
No...did you not know we are having...tier 3a..3b...3c etc
There will be a new National Lottery draw to win a reduction for your area from a 3 to a 2, or c to b etc, if tickets don't get the bonus ball. "
Pin the tail on the donkey sounds more fun |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Can I go to the gym?
Those living in Tier 2 areas can go to the gym but only if it is possible to avoid mixing with people outside their household or bubble.
Outside exercise classes and organised sport is allowed under Tier 2.
For those in Tier 3, it is up to their local authority to decide if they can go to the gym or not.
Liverpool City Region has banned gym visits, but Lancashire has not - so far.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"Isn't it great that these new tiers have simplified the Covid regulations "
Oh I don't, know it's pretty simple if you have a 'very' good memory lol 
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-what-you-can-and-cant-do-in-different-lockdown-tiers-your-questions-answered-12105749 |
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"Can I go to the gym?
Those living in Tier 2 areas can go to the gym but only if it is possible to avoid mixing with people outside their household or bubble.
Outside exercise classes and organised sport is allowed under Tier 2.
For those in Tier 3, it is up to their local authority to decide if they can go to the gym or not.
Liverpool City Region has banned gym visits, but Lancashire has not - so far.
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Rotherham has called out the gmnt for lying.
Said that gove was chatting shit and if they cant provide evidence gyms will be opening again
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