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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ?" I think until they don't find a cure, we'll stay in lock down!  | |||
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"Have you thought that maybe the relatively low death rate is because of the measures in place?" Possibly true, but again look at other countries where there was/ is no lock down so is there a high death rate? | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ?" My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. | |||
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"Have you thought that maybe the relatively low death rate is because of the measures in place? Possibly true, but again look at other countries where there was/ is no lock down so is there a high death rate? " Yes. Also you can't really compare it to anywhere else because every country has a different Outcome depending on so many factors, like General health of the population, Age and how densely populated it is. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive." Do you have a year to waste ? | |||
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"Yes With proper safeguards for the vulnerable And by proper safeguards I don[t mean everybody else having to lock themselves down in case they pass it on to the elderly or the sick. Lets see if the experts can come up with ways to do this that dont wreck the economy." You are aware but if we don't have restrictions in place for everybody then the nhs will not cope is a simple as that. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. Do you have a year to waste ?" It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment " You realise over 40,000 people have died? | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. Do you have a year to waste ? It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years." I am sorry for you if you are one of the vulnerable then. I am in the frame too because of my age and gender But I couldn't bear the thought of locking myself down for a year or more. I dont have too many years to waste. As for the NHS it coped admirably in the first wave and the nightingale hospitals were not needed. The nightingales are still there and we have a few therapies now to alleviate some of he worst cases Unless you know something the experts dont then there is no reason suggest this one will be any worse than the first wave. Nobody has said that as far as I know. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died?" And what was the average age ? How many have died from loss of appointments for Cancer ? | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? And what was the average age ? How many have died from loss of appointments for Cancer ? " Why does their age matter? | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died?" Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. Do you have a year to waste ? It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years. I am sorry for you if you are one of the vulnerable then. I am in the frame too because of my age and gender But I couldn't bear the thought of locking myself down for a year or more. I dont have too many years to waste. As for the NHS it coped admirably in the first wave and the nightingale hospitals were not needed. The nightingales are still there and we have a few therapies now to alleviate some of he worst cases Unless you know something the experts dont then there is no reason suggest this one will be any worse than the first wave. Nobody has said that as far as I know." Firstly I haven't asked you to feel sorry for me. Secondly the nhs only coped because we flattened the curve. If we lift restrictions then it won't, The NAH struggles almost every Winter so what makes you think this one is gonna be any different plus covid its just obvious. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped." Maybe we should do nothing then and let even more die? | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped." Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped." Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid " How? | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid " Huh? | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering." Love the way people say..oh it's only 0.7 of the population. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering." And continuing to refer to Covid as the deadly virus isn’t scaremongering ? | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering. And continuing to refer to Covid as the deadly virus isn’t scaremongering ? " So a virus that kills nearly half a million people isnt deadly in your opinion? | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid How?" cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering. Love the way people say..oh it's only 0.7 of the population." Less than 0.07 actually | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering. And continuing to refer to Covid as the deadly virus isn’t scaremongering ? " Anything that kills people is deadly so not quite sure what your trying to say. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk " Did 165000 die due to missed appointments? | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. Do you have a year to waste ?" If that year keeps me and my family alive yes. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk Did 165000 die due to missed appointments?" No but cancer specialists are saying they are seeing 37000 less than they would have expected I personally know of 2 cancer patients that have had appointments cancelled , | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. Do you have a year to waste ? If that year keeps me and my family alive yes. " Exactly. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering. And continuing to refer to Covid as the deadly virus isn’t scaremongering ? So a virus that kills nearly half a million people isnt deadly in your opinion?" Its kicking the arse off a million now lionel.. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk Did 165000 die due to missed appointments? No but cancer specialists are saying they are seeing 37000 less than they would have expected I personally know of 2 cancer patients that have had appointments cancelled , " So the 165000 figure was completely misleading? Maybe if we had got a healthcare system which was properly funded,we could attempt to cope with both. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk Did 165000 die due to missed appointments? No but cancer specialists are saying they are seeing 37000 less than they would have expected I personally know of 2 cancer patients that have had appointments cancelled , So the 165000 figure was completely misleading? Maybe if we had got a healthcare system which was properly funded,we could attempt to cope with both." so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk Did 165000 die due to missed appointments? No but cancer specialists are saying they are seeing 37000 less than they would have expected I personally know of 2 cancer patients that have had appointments cancelled , So the 165000 figure was completely misleading? Maybe if we had got a healthcare system which was properly funded,we could attempt to cope with both. so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything " You are aware if this virus is just left to its own devices and we don't have strict restrictions in place the nhs will not cope and people will still not be able to have ongoing treatment for other things. Lifting restrictions will not suddenly mean everything goes back to normal. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Exactly seems like the only illness you can now die of is Covid How? cancelled appointments for cancer 165000 people die of cancer every year in the uk Did 165000 die due to missed appointments? No but cancer specialists are saying they are seeing 37000 less than they would have expected I personally know of 2 cancer patients that have had appointments cancelled , So the 165000 figure was completely misleading? Maybe if we had got a healthcare system which was properly funded,we could attempt to cope with both. so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything " What do you suggest they do exactly? Ignore a worldwide pandemic? | |||
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"This sort of attitude is scary Hitler started with this attitude in the early 1930s it lead to euthanasia for the handicapped. Lets just stick with trying to preserve life as best we can." Absolutely, It's shocking the number of people that keep saying just shut the old and sick away and let the rest of us gone with our lives. | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? And what was the average age ? How many have died from loss of appointments for Cancer ? " Yes that whole *include ever death in old people's homes* didn't sit true with me. I'm happy to be corrected here with someone who can link me to facts  | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering." | |||
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"This sort of attitude is scary Hitler started with this attitude in the early 1930s it lead to euthanasia for the handicapped. Lets just stick with trying to preserve life as best we can." Wondered how long it would be before somebody mentioned Hitler's compulsory euthanasia ! We don't live in a totalitarian society so that wont happen Mind you, the way this government is going it may not be too far off. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ?" Presumably that's 0.07% of the population. Official figures around 9.5% of those tested positive have died. Maybe 0.07% is because measures have reduced spread, maybe not. Who is willing to take that 1 in 10 chance? | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ?" Other than putting a mask on to go shopping, pubs shutting a bit early. Rishi paying me 6 months for a 4 month holiday. Saving a fortune eating out in August. My thoughts are....it hasn't affected me personally that much. I'm sure others have been devastated by losing loved ones, isolation, fear, depression and loss of livelyhood. It has affected many in many ways. Wouldn't want to be in charge and walking a tightrope where one step in either direction changes outcomes for different groups of people.....and gets criticised from all sides no matter what. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? Presumably that's 0.07% of the population. Official figures around 9.5% of those tested positive have died. Maybe 0.07% is because measures have reduced spread, maybe not. Who is willing to take that 1 in 10 chance? " I think you should check that ratio | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? I think until they don't find a cure, we'll stay in lock down! "an impossible situation. We, will pay for this, for many years to come. We, will be, remembered by future, generations, as, the generation who gave up | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? Presumably that's 0.07% of the population. Official figures around 9.5% of those tested positive have died. Maybe 0.07% is because measures have reduced spread, maybe not. Who is willing to take that 1 in 10 chance? I think you should check that ratio " 439013 positive cases. 42000 deaths. Will let you check the ratio. | |||
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"We know approximately 20,000 people are going to die from flu this season as that's our yearly average, whats unknown is the excess deaths that will result from covid-19, the amount of people with comorbidities they don't know about yet is in the millions. COPD in the uk is estimated to be 2 million people that don't know they have it yet, so no I don't think we should live life as normal, we should live it safely and with respect to others" Also I would think that even the healthiest and fittest of people could have very serious complications if they get flu or another sessional virus and covid at the same time. | |||
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"This sort of attitude is scary Hitler started with this attitude in the early 1930s it lead to euthanasia for the handicapped. Lets just stick with trying to preserve life as best we can. Absolutely, It's shocking the number of people that keep saying just shut the old and sick away and let the rest of us gone with our lives. " No. What’s shocking is the attitude, ignorance & stupidity of people saying we should be locked down. | |||
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"Yep we need to hear from both sides and then decide the best plan of action but Boris has surrounded himself with doom and gloom merchants and all what happening now is working into there hands with the old blaming the youth and vice versa. Its really sad that we are like this now." we are being taken down one path by the two Ronnies, (Vallance and Witty). There, must be many others paths to take,it won't bother those two once economic ruin sets in but Boris needs to heed the warnings or forever be known as the guy who destroyed the UK. We need a wake up call now, stop the scaremongering. And stop coming out with facts and figures. It's time for a reality check. We all know scientists cannot accept reality and failure, when it comes to results. If they say things work it doesn't necessarily end up that way. Computer says... not always right. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ?" People not dying is not the same as full recovery....... This thing is fucking up people’s lungs and people’s hearts...... | |||
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The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive." While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live" The poster may have an illness and have been advised to stay at home for now. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. Do you have a year to waste ? It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years." I love this answer Lorna xx | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. Do you have a year to waste ? It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years.I love this answer Lorna xx" Me too  | |||
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"65 to 70% of deaths or there abouts are men. I always find it interesting this is not discussed very much As a women my risk is vanishly small. I think it is something like 80% deaths are in the over 80s...again my risk is small Currently I have more chance of getting syphilis (and I play safe) than COVID. That also leads to death and long lasting consequences if not detected. " It is small, so hopefully you can get on with your life  | |||
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"65 to 70% of deaths or there abouts are men. I always find it interesting this is not discussed very much As a women my risk is vanishly small. I think it is something like 80% deaths are in the over 80s...again my risk is small Currently I have more chance of getting syphilis (and I play safe) than COVID. That also leads to death and long lasting consequences if not detected. " Actually only 58% of deaths are in the over 80's | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live" You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose." Quite right | |||
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"Agreed it is. But then that should extend to all those who choose to not want to live in lockdown. " We are all in different situations and you have to do what is right for you | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? Presumably that's 0.07% of the population. Official figures around 9.5% of those tested positive have died. Maybe 0.07% is because measures have reduced spread, maybe not. Who is willing to take that 1 in 10 chance? I think you should check that ratio " Definitely! The data and government say approx 8% to 9% of the UK have had covid so far. That's about 5 and half million people. Of which 43,000 have died. That is not a 1 in 10 chance at all! So it's 43,000 deaths from 5,500,000 infections. That's about 0.78%. So not a 1 in 10 chance but less than 1 in a 100 chance vastly different. KJ | |||
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"Agreed it is. But then that should extend to all those who choose to not want to live in lockdown. " But you don't get a choice not to live in lockdown because that's what the government has decided you need to do. | |||
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"Agreed it is. But then that should extend to all those who choose to not want to live in lockdown. " | |||
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"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality. Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating
The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected."How do you suggest we shield the vulnerable while allowing them to live their normal lives? | |||
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"If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so? " It's actually closer to 25%. | |||
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"If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so? It's actually closer to 25%." Oh and the people they live with and care for so you are looking at probably closer to 40% of the population being directly affected. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ?" Death is not the only drawback to covid, it can and has fucked people's lungs causing problems for the rest of their life, even the young are affected by that. It is not a virus to play about with, even a low does can mess you up for months | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? Death is not the only drawback to covid, it can and has fucked people's lungs causing problems for the rest of their life, even the young are affected by that. It is not a virus to play about with, even a low does can mess you up for months" Yes I've seen several posts on the forums from people who say they A healthy and young and have now got long covid. | |||
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"We have policing by consent (currently). Plus the Tory rebels look like they will pass an amendment this week so that future COVID 'laws' are discussed in Parliament It seems that if you have an alternative view regarding lockdown you are seen as Far Right/COVID denier/ Conspiracy theory believer/ Piers Cornyn lover I'm none of the above but I feel lockdown is a futile excercise and an economic disaster " | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right "Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice | |||
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"25% of the population being supported by 75%. Providing support through tax revenues. I'm up for that. 100% of the population shut down. 4.5 million unemployed and the economy tanked beyond recognition? Nope" Sorry when is a 100% of the population been shut down? I don't know why people seem to think that if the vulnerable are shut away the rest of you are suddenly not gonna lose your jobs because that's not how this is gonna work so let's not marginalise the vulnerable further. | |||
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"25% of the population being supported by 75%. Providing support through tax revenues. I'm up for that. 100% of the population shut down. 4.5 million unemployed and the economy tanked beyond recognition? Nope" Also do you know what shielding actually means? | |||
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"If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so? " Maybe we could all accept some level of disruption to our normal lives in order that everyone gets a chance at some normality? Surely better that than telling 25% of the population that they are dispensable. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice"And what is your choice? | |||
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"If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so? Maybe we could all accept some level of disruption to our normal lives in order that everyone gets a chance at some normality? Surely better that than telling 25% of the population that they are dispensable. " Thank you. | |||
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"If shielding the vunerable technically can not live their every day lives. Is your proposal we lock down 100% for 10% or so? Maybe we could all accept some level of disruption to our normal lives in order that everyone gets a chance at some normality? Surely better that than telling 25% of the population that they are dispensable. " | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering. Love the way people say..oh it's only 0.7 of the population. Less than 0.07 actually " “..... Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population.....” ———————— The whole population has not been infected so the 0.07 % is meaningless. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice? "Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped. Very few people have had their cancer treatment just stopped that's just scare mongering. Love the way people say..oh it's only 0.7 of the population. Less than 0.07 actually “..... Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population.....” ———————— The whole population has not been infected so the 0.07 % is meaningless. " Scaremongering... how ironic | |||
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"Depends if one of the 0.07% was a friend or family member I guess....and dont forget the long term sufferers and all the implications that come with that." So what if one of your family has died because they weren't treated for cancer in time or committed suicide due to being isolated and unable to get help ? A balance has to be made between both causes and then the economic fallout that may well cause more deaths. The decision is very hard and has to be for the benefit of the majority, the whole country and both sides of politics should be as one but all we get is the media criticism, even when the gov do something they demand they still complain. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho"It's not selfish it's what we all want to do but unless we are prepared to sacrifice 25% or more of the population who would have to shield then we all just have to accept that whilst it isn't pleasant it's the way has to be. | |||
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"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality. Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating
The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected."This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? Death is not the only drawback to covid, it can and has fucked people's lungs causing problems for the rest of their life, even the young are affected by that. It is not a virus to play about with, even a low does can mess you up for months" So does glandular fever and other illnesses can also leave long term problems | |||
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"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality. Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating
The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.
This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is. "I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives? | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho"Can you not still do some of those things, can you go for a drink with your mates? I wouldn't call you a selfish twat. | |||
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"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable. We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition - “Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.” So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related. " I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion. | |||
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"Be smart ! Be safe ! Stay alive ! There's been over 204,000 US deaths, so far ! Many virus survivors will suffer lifetime effects ! I'm quite sure there will be many many more deaths and suffering before they get control of this pandemic ! The serious lack of leadership in most countries is the direct cause of this catastrophe ! " It's incredible just how many people think that this is all down to a mismanagement or a lack of political will. It's a virus. It's endemic now. It's not going away. It will mutate and return in different forms. We have to establish immunity. Or else, we can stay locked down for the future and hide behind the couch forever in masks/faceshields/Hamzat suits, living in fear until a vaccine comes along. Which may not even work. | |||
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"Be smart ! Be safe ! Stay alive ! There's been over 204,000 US deaths, so far ! Many virus survivors will suffer lifetime effects ! I'm quite sure there will be many many more deaths and suffering before they get control of this pandemic ! The serious lack of leadership in most countries is the direct cause of this catastrophe ! It's incredible just how many people think that this is all down to a mismanagement or a lack of political will. It's a virus. It's endemic now. It's not going away. It will mutate and return in different forms. We have to establish immunity. Or else, we can stay locked down for the future and hide behind the couch forever in masks/faceshields/Hamzat suits, living in fear until a vaccine comes along. Which may not even work." So I'm guessing you don't properly understand how virus' mutate. Every single infection, every single replication allows changes to creep in. If you give it literally billions of more chances to mutate, can you guarantee that there won't be one that has something like an ebola level of lethality? | |||
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"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality. Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating
The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected." | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho"So long as you all do it as far away as possible and isolate yourselves from those of us who don't want to spread Covid 19. Perhaps you could all go to Sanday in the Orkneys and we'll let you know when it's safe to come back? | |||
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"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable. We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition - “Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.” So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related. I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion." I’m not sure why the smartarse comment is necessary. I’m just giving my opinion like everyone else. I do apologise if mine’s not worthy... | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ?" My thoughts are that anyone quoting this statistics doesn't know what they are talking about and has probably read it on social media and not taken time to analyze it or can't. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ?" Geting on with life so what are you looking for that is the thing What would be your new normal | |||
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"Simple solution shut the country down totally No hospitals no care homes no sanitation no power n water just total lock down then in 14 days virus will be gone simples But its not practical so as long as people have to go to work to keep the country running the virus will spread Nurses will bring it home to there family the kids will spread it at school the father will take it to where ever he works so we can only do as much as we can " My office has never shut and we’ve continued to go to work and nobody has caught the virus so far. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My thoughts are that anyone quoting this statistics doesn't know what they are talking about and has probably read it on social media and not taken time to analyze it or can't." so what about the statistics, from the two Ronnie's( messrrs witty and Vallance,) do you think they know exactly what they are, talking about. Coming out with a load of figures does not reflect real life. Computer says ... Science, is not always, right | |||
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"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable. We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition - “Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.” So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related. I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion. I’m not sure why the smartarse comment is necessary. I’m just giving my opinion like everyone else. I do apologise if mine’s not worthy... "You were stating that it's likely many of the deaths are not Covid related, I just assumed that you had medical knowledge with which to back that up. Covid is only legally allowed to be on someone's death certificate if it is either the primary, or a contributory, cause of death. Someone with a pre-existing condition may have had it exacerbated by contracting Covid and died from it, they did not die from Covid but also without Covid they may have lived many more years. I do not wish to sound offensive but I do take offence at the callousness with which people treat the deaths of 40,000 people. | |||
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"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable. We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition - “Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.” So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related. I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion. I’m not sure why the smartarse comment is necessary. I’m just giving my opinion like everyone else. I do apologise if mine’s not worthy...
You were stating that it's likely many of the deaths are not Covid related, I just assumed that you had medical knowledge with which to back that up.
Covid is only legally allowed to be on someone's death certificate if it is either the primary, or a contributory, cause of death. Someone with a pre-existing condition may have had it exacerbated by contracting Covid and died from it, they did not die from Covid but also without Covid they may have lived many more years.
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"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable. We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition - “Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.” So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related. I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion. I’m not sure why the smartarse comment is necessary. I’m just giving my opinion like everyone else. I do apologise if mine’s not worthy...
You were stating that it's likely many of the deaths are not Covid related, I just assumed that you had medical knowledge with which to back that up.
Covid is only legally allowed to be on someone's death certificate if it is either the primary, or a contributory, cause of death. Someone with a pre-existing condition may have had it exacerbated by contracting Covid and died from it, they did not die from Covid but also without Covid they may have lived many more years.
I do not wish to sound offensive but I do take offence at the callousness with which people treat the deaths of 40,000 people."Couldn't agree more. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho"Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently | |||
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"I think we have gone well beyond the tipping point for the economy of the UK to be in long term crisis. We are storing up huge problems for generations to come and I don’t believe that all of the ongoing restrictions or lockdowns are now proportionate or sustainable. We have 42001 ‘COVID’ deaths now but how many of these are actually directly attributable to it when you look at the definition - “Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases.” So these figures are clearly not reliable and it is likely that many of the deaths are not COVID-related. I'm glad we have an actual doctor on the forum to give us their considered medical opinion. I’m not sure why the smartarse comment is necessary. I’m just giving my opinion like everyone else. I do apologise if mine’s not worthy...
You were stating that it's likely many of the deaths are not Covid related, I just assumed that you had medical knowledge with which to back that up.
Covid is only legally allowed to be on someone's death certificate if it is either the primary, or a contributory, cause of death. Someone with a pre-existing condition may have had it exacerbated by contracting Covid and died from it, they did not die from Covid but also without Covid they may have lived many more years.
I do not wish to sound offensive but I do take offence at the callousness with which people treat the deaths of 40,000 people."Not callous in the slightest, any death is a tragedy. I’m merely pointing out that the figure of 42001 deaths is unreliable and there could be a significant number that actually have nothing to do with COVID. | |||
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"Yep we need to hear from both sides and then decide the best plan of action but Boris has surrounded himself with doom and gloom merchants and all what happening now is working into there hands with the old blaming the youth and vice versa. Its really sad that we are like this now." We should hear from experts, not a phony balance, of the experts on 1 side and extreme opposites who want all restrictions axed. Just let the appropriate experts outline their perspective in the relevant forum. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. Do you have a year to waste ? It's not a wasted year it's just a limited year and I'd rather have a limited year than no more years. I am sorry for you if you are one of the vulnerable then. I am in the frame too because of my age and gender But I couldn't bear the thought of locking myself down for a year or more. I dont have too many years to waste. As for the NHS it coped admirably in the first wave and the nightingale hospitals were not needed. The nightingales are still there and we have a few therapies now to alleviate some of he worst cases Unless you know something the experts dont then there is no reason suggest this one will be any worse than the first wave. Nobody has said that as far as I know." You speak of the nightingales as if they are fully working hospitals the London one as lots of beds but about 20 staff so if they are needed where are we going to find the cleaners, HCA, Porters Nurces, Doctors and Cosoltants oh sorry you take them from the hospital's | |||
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"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality. Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating
The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.
This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.
I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?"There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful. What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho
Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently "People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho
Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently
People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk "And sticking to the law. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho
Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently
People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk
And sticking to the law."Of course Lorna x | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho
Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently
People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk "And it's the thinking of others Others think about it Like drink driving we don't care if you kill you but think of you family and the family of some one else that is killed/murder But you actions ... | |||
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"Be smart ! Be safe ! Stay alive ! There's been over 204,000 US deaths, so far ! Many virus survivors will suffer lifetime effects ! I'm quite sure there will be many many more deaths and suffering before they get control of this pandemic ! The serious lack of leadership in most countries is the direct cause of this catastrophe ! It's incredible just how many people think that this is all down to a mismanagement or a lack of political will. It's a virus. It's endemic now. It's not going away. It will mutate and return in different forms. We have to establish immunity. Or else, we can stay locked down for the future and hide behind the couch forever in masks/faceshields/Hamzat suits, living in fear until a vaccine comes along. Which may not even work. So I'm guessing you don't properly understand how virus' mutate. Every single infection, every single replication allows changes to creep in. If you give it literally billions of more chances to mutate, can you guarantee that there won't be one that has something like an ebola level of lethality? " This virus is never going away. It's going to be just like the flu. The more we develop immunity, the less chance it has to infect people. Coronaviruses apparently don't mutate successfully enough to increase threat - that's none good thing about them. So it's not, and never will be anything like ebola. Enough of the fear-mongering. We have to start living with this and not living behind the couch. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho
Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently
People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk "Life is a risk for everybody.......I'm happy with the ones I have and are making | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho
Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently
People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk
Life is a risk for everybody.......I'm happy with the ones I have and are making "And I think that is fine, as long as you aren't putting others at risk | |||
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"Be smart ! Be safe ! Stay alive ! There's been over 204,000 US deaths, so far ! Many virus survivors will suffer lifetime effects ! I'm quite sure there will be many many more deaths and suffering before they get control of this pandemic ! The serious lack of leadership in most countries is the direct cause of this catastrophe ! It's incredible just how many people think that this is all down to a mismanagement or a lack of political will. It's a virus. It's endemic now. It's not going away. It will mutate and return in different forms. We have to establish immunity. Or else, we can stay locked down for the future and hide behind the couch forever in masks/faceshields/Hamzat suits, living in fear until a vaccine comes along. Which may not even work. So I'm guessing you don't properly understand how virus' mutate. Every single infection, every single replication allows changes to creep in. If you give it literally billions of more chances to mutate, can you guarantee that there won't be one that has something like an ebola level of lethality? This virus is never going away. It's going to be just like the flu. The more we develop immunity, the less chance it has to infect people. Coronaviruses apparently don't mutate successfully enough to increase threat - that's none good thing about them. So it's not, and never will be anything like ebola. Enough of the fear-mongering. We have to start living with this and not living behind the couch. " Am still living but with resuscitations I want to know from some one with the start living view what they want. | |||
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"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality. Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating
The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.
This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.
I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?
There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.
What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole."That's not really protecting the vulnerable though is it? Prescribing zinc and vitamin D will make a tiny bit of difference but not protection as such. If one were cynical one might say that it does enough to assuage some guilt, enough that we can get on with doing what we want and think to ourselves "well we gave them vitamin and mineral supplements, what more could anyone have done?" | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho
Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently
People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk
Life is a risk for everybody.......I'm happy with the ones I have and are making
And I think that is fine, as long as you aren't putting others at risk "Quite a few on here not wearing masks and claiming they are exempt , but say they dont want to wear or display something and are using it as an excuse and putting OTHERS at risk......I think everybody should wear one....no excuses....but guess we all make our own choices who we then put at risk in a way.....if they cant wear one....dont go out......but like what has been said we all live with the risks we are prepared to take.....people not waring masks are prepared to take the risk....I'm prepared to take some too | |||
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"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality. Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating
The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.
This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.
I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?
There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.
What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole.
That's not really protecting the vulnerable though is it? Prescribing zinc and vitamin D will make a tiny bit of difference but not protection as such.
If one were cynical one might say that it does enough to assuage some guilt, enough that we can get on with doing what we want and think to ourselves "well we gave them vitamin and mineral supplements, what more could anyone have done?""Thousands of vulnerable people were sadly dying before anyway during flu season and yet we weren't having this debate. You cannot protect everyone from potential harm. What of the thousands of additional deaths from suicide, economic depravation, and undiagnosed disease because all the NHS sees is covid, covid, covid? One has to be pragmatic and factor all this into the equation. Open up society again as we know a lot more now and redouble efforts with the above described measures for the most vulnerable. | |||
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"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality. Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating
The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.
This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.
I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?
There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.
What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole.
That's not really protecting the vulnerable though is it? Prescribing zinc and vitamin D will make a tiny bit of difference but not protection as such.
If one were cynical one might say that it does enough to assuage some guilt, enough that we can get on with doing what we want and think to ourselves "well we gave them vitamin and mineral supplements, what more could anyone have done?"
Thousands of vulnerable people were sadly dying before anyway during flu season and yet we weren't having this debate. You cannot protect everyone from potential harm. What of the thousands of additional deaths from suicide, economic depravation, and undiagnosed disease because all the NHS sees is covid, covid, covid?
One has to be pragmatic and factor all this into the equation. Open up society again as we know a lot more now and redouble efforts with the above described measures for the most vulnerable."I'm now repeating my self _hillout so what is it you want when you say open up | |||
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"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality. Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating
The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.
This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.
I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?
There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.
What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole.
That's not really protecting the vulnerable though is it? Prescribing zinc and vitamin D will make a tiny bit of difference but not protection as such.
If one were cynical one might say that it does enough to assuage some guilt, enough that we can get on with doing what we want and think to ourselves "well we gave them vitamin and mineral supplements, what more could anyone have done?"
Thousands of vulnerable people were sadly dying before anyway during flu season and yet we weren't having this debate. You cannot protect everyone from potential harm. What of the thousands of additional deaths from suicide, economic depravation, and undiagnosed disease because all the NHS sees is covid, covid, covid?
One has to be pragmatic and factor all this into the equation. Open up society again as we know a lot more now and redouble efforts with the above described measures for the most vulnerable."The NHS isn’t just seeing Covid, it’s seeing people for everything it has always seen people for, it’s only if we allow the numbers to rise again that it will only be able to see people for Covid, again. Also, we protect the vulnerable during flu season by giving them a free flu vaccine, it protects against what experts believe will be the most common strains of flu. I’ll be honest, I’d prefer it if people just said “fuck the old and the disabled and the chronically ill. I want to go to the pub and fuck strangers off the internet and if people have to die so I can do that then so be it.” There’s more integrity in that than in pretending to give a shit about people who commit suicide. | |||
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"The initial lockdown was justifiable as there was a lot of speculation and little actual data on the virus itself, it's ease (or not) of transmission, and lethality. Months later we have much more information to avoid repeated "knee jerk" reactions that our leaders insist on repeating
The CDC has just admitted that the lethality rate for those under 50 is extremely low, and even lower for those 20 and below. It also reported how dangerous it can be for the elderly who are usually the most vulnerable.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
We now know that hydroxichloriquine, zinc, azythromycin, some steroids and oxygen therapy (opposed to ventilators) are effective in treating the disease in people who don't cope well on their own, which has also reduced the CFR (case fatality rate). Higher vitamin D levels lower the intensity of viral symptoms. We also now know that the PCR tests generate a huge number of false positives and that a positive test doesn't tell us anything beyond the presence of some viral particles. It says nothing of viral load or if the person is actually sick.
We have all the information we need to resume life as normal while still shielding the most vulnerable and treating them if infected.
This sounds sensible. The virus is never going away. Herd immunity needs to be established. Otherwise - it's lockdown again and again and again and again - with all the problems and obstacles it brings. It's causing huge problems that aren't even being addressed as it is.
I'll ask you the same question, how do you propose to protect the vulnerable but still allow them to get on with their normal lives?
There are no perfect solutions. The vulnerable were vulnerable to viruses such as the flu before and many would still die each year during flu season. Protection could perhaps include prophylactic measures, such the prescription of Vitamin D (most ppl in the UK are deficient already) and particularly zinc as studies have shown that it inhibits RNA replication of coronaviruses. Better control of co morbidities if possible (obesity, HBP, diabetes) which have consistently shown much higher rates of fatality would also be useful.
What I do know is that never before have you isolated the healthy and non symptomatic. It flies in the face of everything done before and is having devastating collateral impact on society as a whole.
That's not really protecting the vulnerable though is it? Prescribing zinc and vitamin D will make a tiny bit of difference but not protection as such.
If one were cynical one might say that it does enough to assuage some guilt, enough that we can get on with doing what we want and think to ourselves "well we gave them vitamin and mineral supplements, what more could anyone have done?"
Thousands of vulnerable people were sadly dying before anyway during flu season and yet we weren't having this debate. You cannot protect everyone from potential harm. What of the thousands of additional deaths from suicide, economic depravation, and undiagnosed disease because all the NHS sees is covid, covid, covid?
One has to be pragmatic and factor all this into the equation. Open up society again as we know a lot more now and redouble efforts with the above described measures for the most vulnerable.
The NHS isn’t just seeing Covid, it’s seeing people for everything it has always seen people for, it’s only if we allow the numbers to rise again that it will only be able to see people for Covid, again.
Also, we protect the vulnerable during flu season by giving them a free flu vaccine, it protects against what experts believe will be the most common strains of flu.
I’ll be honest, I’d prefer it if people just said “fuck the old and the disabled and the chronically ill. I want to go to the pub and fuck strangers off the internet and if people have to die so I can do that then so be it.” There’s more integrity in that than in pretending to give a shit about people who commit suicide."Now your sounding like the wife she works in the NHS as well say what you think ...... | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ?" It's the ONLY In this statement that sums up the selfish attitude of people. It was Only a care worker who died,it was only a nurse,it was only a doctor,it was only my mum or my wife or my husband...... It was only me who died!! Is wearing a mask and washing your hands that much of an inconvenience? You do realise that this isn't something that will just go away if we carry on as normal don't you? Ok let me change the demographic. What would your opinion be if it ONLY killed newborn children and the under 5s with certain health conditions, would this still be acceptable for you? Or is that ok as long as you are ok? | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? It's the ONLY In this statement that sums up the selfish attitude of people. It was Only a care worker who died,it was only a nurse,it was only a doctor,it was only my mum or my wife or my husband...... It was only me who died!! Is wearing a mask and washing your hands that much of an inconvenience? You do realise that this isn't something that will just go away if we carry on as normal don't you? Ok let me change the demographic. What would your opinion be if it ONLY killed newborn children and the under 5s with certain health conditions, would this still be acceptable for you? Or is that ok as long as you are ok?" If it was just new born at least the covid would run out of human's If it was just pregnant ladies it might speed up that process | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho
Can you not still do some of those things, can you go for a drink with your mates? I wouldn't call you a selfish twat."Yes, in groups of 6 in the pub. So family and friends drinks are still not allowed, | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? It's the ONLY In this statement that sums up the selfish attitude of people. It was Only a care worker who died,it was only a nurse,it was only a doctor,it was only my mum or my wife or my husband...... It was only me who died!! Is wearing a mask and washing your hands that much of an inconvenience? You do realise that this isn't something that will just go away if we carry on as normal don't you? Ok let me change the demographic. What would your opinion be if it ONLY killed newborn children and the under 5s with certain health conditions, would this still be acceptable for you? Or is that ok as long as you are ok?" Well at least that 5yr old won't be around to see a economy in the toilet and his generation being hit with high tax rises to pay back the billions wasted on furlough, and trace and track system that piss poor and being socially distance from his friends family and a society rife with mental illness because of losing skills in social contact. But if loneness is the new normal. | |||
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"We have to find a better way of doing things than pinning all hope on a vaccine or being threatened with removal of liberty whenever the infection rate looks like creeping up" And what would your suggestion be? | |||
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"From the reports I have read most sho no symptoms or have a very mild illness. Only a small percentage need treatment You realise over 40,000 people have died? Yes and that is less than 0.07 of the population More die of cancer in a year and most have seen their treatment stoped." There are lots of virus and lots of forms of cancer. Why are you comparing one virus with all cancer types?? Why not compare covid to lung cancer? the cancer that causes the most deaths in the UK. A cancer that, in most cases, could have been prevented by avoiding smoking. That's 35,000 vs 44,000. It's possible that about 40m people are needed for herd immunity. With a mortality rate near 0.4%, 160,000 people will likely die to achieve that which is pretty much the same number who die of all cancers every year. Unfortunately, for the majority of those who die from cancer nothing more could have been done to prevent their deaths. With covid, we're in a position where we CAN minimse further deaths if stupid people stopped banging on about fake viruses, fake news etc. | |||
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"so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything " For reference those cancer appointments cancelled where/are due to an increased risk to the person in question. It’s a clinical choice with Covid being prevalent. The majority of cancer treatments have in fact been maintained as with all urgent interventions. And yes it is a horrifically dangerous time to be ill with anything, as people keep pointing out (as a way to belittle covids impact) most underlying conditions plus covid can be fatal. | |||
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"so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything For reference those cancer appointments cancelled where/are due to an increased risk to the person in question. It’s a clinical choice with Covid being prevalent. The majority of cancer treatments have in fact been maintained as with all urgent interventions. And yes it is a horrifically dangerous time to be ill with anything, as people keep pointing out (as a way to belittle covids impact) most underlying conditions plus covid can be fatal." Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it. | |||
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"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it." I doubt it too  | |||
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"The first post in this thread is absolutely what needs to happen. There’s been way too much damage done already which will already take years to recover from. Something like this is natural selection at its finest. A completely normal thing to happen to every species across the planet. Yet we’re running from it." I like to think of it more like I'm trying to miss it. Not raining from it. So my same question to you lockdownlover what is it you want back to the same as 1st of March.. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho
Totally agree, and I could not care less what strangers on here think , they dont know me and dont actually even know what we are upto anyway.....lots may assume or judge, but they do that on here no matter what, even before this......each tomtheir own...no need go be nasty or abusive to people who may look at things differently
People should do what they think is right for them, as long as they're not putting others at risk
Life is a risk for everybody.......I'm happy with the ones I have and are making
And I think that is fine, as long as you aren't putting others at risk
Quite a few on here not wearing masks and claiming they are exempt , but say they dont want to wear or display something and are using it as an excuse and putting OTHERS at risk......I think everybody should wear one....no excuses....but guess we all make our own choices who we then put at risk in a way.....if they cant wear one....dont go out......but like what has been said we all live with the risks we are prepared to take.....people not waring masks are prepared to take the risk....I'm prepared to take some too "That's your prerogative | |||
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"The first post in this thread is absolutely what needs to happen. There’s been way too much damage done already which will already take years to recover from. Something like this is natural selection at its finest. A completely normal thing to happen to every species across the planet. Yet we’re running from it." If natural selection had been left to do its job would you have survived this far in life? Chances are you would not even have survived to see your first birthday! | |||
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"so you dismiss the cancelled appointments? How many other illness are not being treated ? Personally we think this a very dangerous time to get ill with anything For reference those cancer appointments cancelled where/are due to an increased risk to the person in question. It’s a clinical choice with Covid being prevalent. The majority of cancer treatments have in fact been maintained as with all urgent interventions. And yes it is a horrifically dangerous time to be ill with anything, as people keep pointing out (as a way to belittle covids impact) most underlying conditions plus covid can be fatal. Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it." It should but it won't. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? My life is on pause ..i ll stay home for now and stay alive. While youre couped up though youve not got a life, apart from the one youre allowing yourself to believe you need to live You dont know my situation, my life is mine to live as i choose. Quite right
Thats quite right, but, then on the other hand ive got no choice on how i go about living mine but a lot call me an arsehole for wanting that choice
And what is your choice?
Im more than happy to meet in groups of like minded people for mutual enjoyment. Wether that be it sexual, drinking, socialising at home, going on motorbike group rides or more. Even if i was still a football fan, attending games with others who also wish to not be forced not to. If people want to self isolate for whatever reason, thats their choice. But for us who wish to carry on, our choice has been removed. I know i will get called a selfish twat but hey ho
Can you not still do some of those things, can you go for a drink with your mates? I wouldn't call you a selfish twat.
Yes, in groups of 6 in the pub. So family and friends drinks are still not allowed, "Shite isn't it, I can't visit my grandchildren all at one time as we have 2 families of 6, but that's the way it is unfortunately | |||
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"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it. I doubt it too "I went to Called GP about a lump was seen at hospital in 8 days was booked for a scan the next week.so from what I have been through the NHS is still quick when it can or has to be. And A&E was quiet makes a change So from me thanks to all NHS staff. | |||
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"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it. I doubt it too
I went to Called GP about a lump was seen at hospital in 8 days was booked for a scan the next week.so from what I have been through the NHS is still quick when it can or has to be.
And A&E was quiet makes a change
So from me thanks to all NHS staff. "Oh I hope all is well | |||
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"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it. I doubt it too
I went to Called GP about a lump was seen at hospital in 8 days was booked for a scan the next week.so from what I have been through the NHS is still quick when it can or has to be.
And A&E was quiet makes a change
So from me thanks to all NHS staff. "According to the NHS themselves there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis and treatment, bearing in mind that early diagnosis is critical as they always say in cancer then you can do the maths, cancer deaths will go through the roof in 18 months (yes there's a lag in cancer deaths as well) 550 deaths a day according to stats at the moment which is based on early diagnosis. Head of the task force running it says there very unlikely to get on top of it within 2-3 years with the current Corona regulations. | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ?" I have got on with life, life hasn't stopped, just adapted to a new normal and taking sensible and responsible measures, | |||
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"As only 0.07 percent have died from this ‘deadly Virus’ isn’t it time we just got on with life? What are your thoughts ? I have got on with life, life hasn't stopped, just adapted to a new normal and taking sensible and responsible measures, " Exactly this. | |||
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"The first post in this thread is absolutely what needs to happen. There’s been way too much damage done already which will already take years to recover from. Something like this is natural selection at its finest. A completely normal thing to happen to every species across the planet. Yet we’re running from it." Jesus wept. | |||
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"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it. I doubt it too
I went to Called GP about a lump was seen at hospital in 8 days was booked for a scan the next week.so from what I have been through the NHS is still quick when it can or has to be.
And A&E was quiet makes a change
So from me thanks to all NHS staff.
According to the NHS themselves there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis and treatment, bearing in mind that early diagnosis is critical as they always say in cancer then you can do the maths, cancer deaths will go through the roof in 18 months (yes there's a lag in cancer deaths as well) 550 deaths a day according to stats at the moment which is based on early diagnosis.
Head of the task force running it says there very unlikely to get on top of it within 2-3 years with the current Corona regulations.
"As I said I was seen very quick and it's just a cysts thanks for asking. I have been told because of covid there is no date for an operation if I elected to have it removed but I'm not going to die from it. There is only so much they can do. I for one am generally happy with it..... | |||
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"The problem is we are a gregarious species We like to mix and to mingle with others of our kind It goes against our basic nature to be isolated from others Its not that people are bad or deliberate law breakers They are just doing what comes naturally to human beings. Even in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and Maoist China they couldn't do that. It can't be done. People will always find ways round it. Like trying to herd cats." So what is it you want to change.. I have a trip booked to India should fly on 27th Feb lol won't happen. Have lost a company this week all staff made redundant. Car has been sold to help pay redundancy pay. Equipment not fully played for gone back to the bank or lease company's. The hire company was suppose to be my pension work till I can't now But it is what it is. At least there ant bombs dropping or people being called to a front line to replace the dead. Man up and shake your self down. Some are losing there Homes I haven't yet | |||
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"Hopefully that will put an end to the nonsense spouted but I doubt it. I doubt it too
I went to Called GP about a lump was seen at hospital in 8 days was booked for a scan the next week.so from what I have been through the NHS is still quick when it can or has to be.
And A&E was quiet makes a change
So from me thanks to all NHS staff.
According to the NHS themselves there 6-9 months behind on cancer diagnosis and treatment, bearing in mind that early diagnosis is critical as they always say in cancer then you can do the maths, cancer deaths will go through the roof in 18 months (yes there's a lag in cancer deaths as well) 550 deaths a day according to stats at the moment which is based on early diagnosis.
Head of the task force running it says there very unlikely to get on top of it within 2-3 years with the current Corona regulations.
"Imagine what will happen if we just let the virus run rampant through the population, all non urgent work will stop again and we will have hospitals full of Covid patients and we won't be able to do anything else. we'll be at least another 6-9 months on top of cancer diagnoses on top of where we already are. Unless you are suggesting we abandon the Covid patients and let them die at home of course. | |||
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"The problem is we are a gregarious species We like to mix and to mingle with others of our kind It goes against our basic nature to be isolated from others Its not that people are bad or deliberate law breakers They are just doing what comes naturally to human beings. Even in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and Maoist China they couldn't do that. It can't be done. People will always find ways round it. Like trying to herd cats." Against human nature yes . But as a nurse who has worked all through this and dealt with many Covid patients lockdown is 100% necessary if you value life more than monetary possessions | |||
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