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Yes. Definitely.
They're saying they might not get back home for Christmas! Absolutely ridiculous. Why were they allowed to welcome students back if this was the case?
They need to do a 2 week lockdown and then return home and have video lectures. |
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The landlords in University cities would go bust so would many of the bars.
It's time the powers that be looked long term because this virus is going nowhere fast. If nothing else they ought to cotton on to the fact that they're alienating a good percentage of the people who will be voting for the next 60 years. |
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"Is it time to send them home once tested negative and to now tell tens of thousands of others not yet back to stay home and study?"
An accurate negative test proves nothing except the virus isn't showing up in the nose and throat at the moment the swabs were taken. Anyone could have been infected a few hours before that, or get infected before going home, or on the way there. |
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"Is this again just a failing of testing guess the government did not think uni students would need tests.
Testing has got to be the priority not some wage back up scheme. test
Test Test "
The WHO advised prioritising testing back in March. But it seems like it's been a slow process getting it sorted.
The world has to carry on turning. But with as many precautions as reasonably possible. |
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I feel really sorry for students.
I used to work for the uni and my role right now would have been absolutely horrific
Students have been left and blamed and it's really not fair |
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"Yes. Definitely.
They're saying they might not get back home for Christmas! Absolutely ridiculous. Why were they allowed to welcome students back if this was the case?
They need to do a 2 week lockdown and then return home and have video lectures. "
Is it beyond comprehension that we have been educated for 6 months how to wash our hands, socially distance and wear a mask and avoid transmission.
Watch a group of students behave then ask yourself what the fuck the government can do apart from lock them up until it's over.
Unbelievable |
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In Durham this is a disaster waiting to happen. Social distancing will go right out of the window.. Yes, the economy here needs the students but I thought this was a health matter. If our council thinks that putting the, students in bubbles of up to 18 will help I can't see, that working. So every student who tests, positive then all of their bubble has to isolate for 14 days. How can this be right the students can have bubbles of up to 18 yet we residents can't mix with any other household. If this government had any sense this should have been foreseen and, all college and university students should have been told to stay at home and learn remotely. After all workers, have, now, been told to work again from home. What is the, difference |
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"Yes. Definitely.
They're saying they might not get back home for Christmas! Absolutely ridiculous. Why were they allowed to welcome students back if this was the case?
They need to do a 2 week lockdown and then return home and have video lectures.
Is it beyond comprehension that we have been educated for 6 months how to wash our hands, socially distance and wear a mask and avoid transmission.
Watch a group of students behave then ask yourself what the fuck the government can do apart from lock them up until it's over.
Unbelievable"
Watch a group of "responsible" adults in Tesco or any big store. Unbelievable behaviour and basic inability to maintain any sort of distance. |
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"Is this again just a failing of testing guess the government did not think uni students would need tests.
Testing has got to be the priority not some wage back up scheme. test
Test Test
The WHO advised prioritising testing back in March. But it seems like it's been a slow process getting it sorted.
The world has to carry on turning. But with as many precautions as reasonably possible."
Yep WHO where right we should have testing in every town and doing more and more need to do at least 1.5 million a day to keep on top of this |
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"Yes. Definitely.
They're saying they might not get back home for Christmas! Absolutely ridiculous. Why were they allowed to welcome students back if this was the case?
They need to do a 2 week lockdown and then return home and have video lectures.
Is it beyond comprehension that we have been educated for 6 months how to wash our hands, socially distance and wear a mask and avoid transmission.
Watch a group of students behave then ask yourself what the fuck the government can do apart from lock them up until it's over.
Unbelievable"
You say "lock them up until it's over"..
And when do you think that will be
A year, or 2 or 5 or 10 ???
So lock them up like we do for shoplifting oh we don't through.... |
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" What is the, difference "
Really, the question we should be asking is what's the point.
We really do have to start accepting reality. We're not solving this by curtailing movement & segregating people, all we're doing is causing more hardship & distress to a greater number of people for a longer period.
Why?
This is not the black death. It's not ebola. A huge percentage of cases are either totally or mostly asymptomatic. Even among those who get ill most don't suffer serious illness.
We need to be spending the money on learning to live with this disease. Rolling out rapid, at home, testing so people CAN act responsibly from a positiin of knowledge. Staffing, equipping and if necessary building facilities to treat the sick.
We tried restrictions & lockdown. They failed. It's time for a different approach. |
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124 cases confirmed among 1700 students locked down in halls in Manchester.
1. Isn't this now similar to the "Cruise Ship" debacle from March?
2. What's the cause of this huge spike? Don't want to put "blame" on the students failing to distance etc....but what else? |
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If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age. |
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"Is it time to send them home once tested negative and to now tell tens of thousands of others not yet back to stay home and study?"
This 
It would appear some Universities are not handling this very well.
However the economic effect on businesses relying on student trade may be more costly .
It's like a giant set of grocers scales that can never be balanced.
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"Wont happen.to much mpney to lose from all those uni fees.cant charge 9 grand a year if there sat in there living rooms doing there courses
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Saldy that's exactly what they're happy to do. Because of covid and many strikes before that most students had not even a few weeks of lectures in a whole academic year. This year will be no different. It's abhorrent and incredibly worrying for the educational standards for all students, how will they be able to do jobs at the end without the tuition? (online lectures are non existent or poor at most universities) xx |
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Online learning is inadequate for the majority of science, technology and healthcare related subjects. These are practical subjects and the students need access to labs, workshops, simulated healthcare settings. They need shadowing opportunities and work placements. I can assure you that there is zero substitute for the hands on practical science. I spent the summer trying to source virtual lab simulations for our students (pre uni foundation year) and found nothing at all on the world market that was properly suitable. We settled for the least worst option, but many products were just glorified YouTube videos of someone else doing the experiment. At least the product we're using allows the students to manipulate the equipment, but only in a very narrow set of parameters.
Would you want an engineer designing bridges who'd done no practical work? An aerospace engineer designing the aeroplane you fly on with no practical experience? The doctor about to remove your appendix who's only performed that on a computer screen with a cartoon person with textbook anatomy?
Science, tech and health students need to be on campus, doing face to face learning. The Open University doesn't even skip the face to face practical work - it's students have to attend residential weeks where practical work is done and they d offer many types of degree which require more practical/hands on work.. |
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" What is the, difference
Really, the question we should be asking is what's the point.
We really do have to start accepting reality. We're not solving this by curtailing movement & segregating people, all we're doing is causing more hardship & distress to a greater number of people for a longer period.
Why?
This is not the black death. It's not ebola. A huge percentage of cases are either totally or mostly asymptomatic. Even among those who get ill most don't suffer serious illness.
We need to be spending the money on learning to live with this disease. Rolling out rapid, at home, testing so people CAN act responsibly from a positiin of knowledge. Staffing, equipping and if necessary building facilities to treat the sick.
We tried restrictions & lockdown. They failed. It's time for a different approach."
I agree |
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"Yes. Definitely.
They're saying they might not get back home for Christmas! Absolutely ridiculous. Why were they allowed to welcome students back if this was the case?
They need to do a 2 week lockdown and then return home and have video lectures.
Is it beyond comprehension that we have been educated for 6 months how to wash our hands, socially distance and wear a mask and avoid transmission.
Watch a group of students behave then ask yourself what the fuck the government can do apart from lock them up until it's over.
Unbelievable
You say "lock them up until it's over"..
And when do you think that will be
A year, or 2 or 5 or 10 ???
So lock them up like we do for shoplifting oh we don't through...."
Ill ignore that ramble as you didn't really think about it  |
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"If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age. "
the rules have always been different for under 18, they have been able to move between guardians homes freely the entire 6 months, so coming homes from boarding school really isnt much different
by going off to uni, these students have formed new larger households and you arent allowed to just flip about between households whenever you like much the same as its not allowed for single people you pick a bubble and stick with it
university students are not children and part of the point of moving away to study is about learning to stand on your own 2 feet in the real world ... well this is now the real world and its about time we stopped coddling them like they were |
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" What is the, difference
Really, the question we should be asking is what's the point.
We really do have to start accepting reality. We're not solving this by curtailing movement & segregating people, all we're doing is causing more hardship & distress to a greater number of people for a longer period.
Why?
This is not the black death. It's not ebola. A huge percentage of cases are either totally or mostly asymptomatic. Even among those who get ill most don't suffer serious illness.
We need to be spending the money on learning to live with this disease. Rolling out rapid, at home, testing so people CAN act responsibly from a positiin of knowledge. Staffing, equipping and if necessary building facilities to treat the sick.
We tried restrictions & lockdown. They failed. It's time for a different approach."
Sorry,lockdown and restrictions didn't fail, it was the psychopaths that failed to take notice of the restrictions that failed. |
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"Is it time to send them home once tested negative and to now tell tens of thousands of others not yet back to stay home and study?
An accurate negative test proves nothing except the virus isn't showing up in the nose and throat at the moment the swabs were taken. Anyone could have been infected a few hours before that, or get infected before going home, or on the way there. "
despite your post being accurate, its a position that is wayyyy over cautious ... by the same token i don’t have any symptoms now but i was at the supermarket yesterday so i might have caught it and its just not developed yet ... you cant live with that level of fear or the entire country would be in full lockdown for ever
there is definitely a line to be drawn between acting responsibly to keep others safe and being a hypochondriac |
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" What is the, difference
Really, the question we should be asking is what's the point.
We really do have to start accepting reality. We're not solving this by curtailing movement & segregating people, all we're doing is causing more hardship & distress to a greater number of people for a longer period.
Why?
This is not the black death. It's not ebola. A huge percentage of cases are either totally or mostly asymptomatic. Even among those who get ill most don't suffer serious illness.
We need to be spending the money on learning to live with this disease. Rolling out rapid, at home, testing so people CAN act responsibly from a positiin of knowledge. Staffing, equipping and if necessary building facilities to treat the sick.
We tried restrictions & lockdown. They failed. It's time for a different approach.
Sorry,lockdown and restrictions didn't fail, it was the psychopaths that failed to take notice of the restrictions that failed."
I thought lockdown had helped to slow the spread of the virus. Which was the aim. |
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They are needed on site for the local businesses and the uni business empire, hence why they were pulled in.
Some places are better than others with more distancing etc and remote lectures. Follow the money. Many people want the priority to be businesses |
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over a year ago
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The only reason to have them on site (apart from practical degrees, medics, vets etc) is a financial one. No lectures, societies, sports, etc. They should have stayed at home this term. |
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"If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age.
the rules have always been different for under 18, they have been able to move between guardians homes freely the entire 6 months, so coming homes from boarding school really isnt much different
by going off to uni, these students have formed new larger households and you arent allowed to just flip about between households whenever you like much the same as its not allowed for single people you pick a bubble and stick with it
university students are not children and part of the point of moving away to study is about learning to stand on your own 2 feet in the real world ... well this is now the real world and its about time we stopped coddling them like they were "
trying to stop 18year olds from mixing and partying is impossible when your 18 life is about fun and you are invincible so why would they care. When I was 18 I deffinetly wouldn't have stuck to the rules I would have been going to house party's and living life to the max with out a care in the world. |
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"Wont happen.to much mpney to lose from all those uni fees.cant charge 9 grand a year if there sat in there living rooms doing there courses
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They are already doing that all lectures are already on line. |
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"If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age.
the rules have always been different for under 18, they have been able to move between guardians homes freely the entire 6 months, so coming homes from boarding school really isnt much different
by going off to uni, these students have formed new larger households and you arent allowed to just flip about between households whenever you like much the same as its not allowed for single people you pick a bubble and stick with it
university students are not children and part of the point of moving away to study is about learning to stand on your own 2 feet in the real world ... well this is now the real world and its about time we stopped coddling them like they were trying to stop 18year olds from mixing and partying is impossible when your 18 life is about fun and you are invincible so why would they care. When I was 18 I deffinetly wouldn't have stuck to the rules I would have been going to house party's and living life to the max with out a care in the world. "
im not naive to that, but you cant then criticise people for saying ok you are young and wanted to break the rule but the result is you dont get to come home for xmas and infect your granny
as a young adult they get to make their own decisions, but as young adults they have to also appreciates those decisions have consequences |
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"Wont happen.to much mpney to lose from all those uni fees.cant charge 9 grand a year if there sat in there living rooms doing there courses
They are already doing that all lectures are already on line."
Practical classes and small group tutorials will be face to face. It's only the mass lectures online for the majority. How do you teach practical science, medicine etc through the computer? You can't. Many courses simply cannot be taught wholly online. Also online teaching and learning is VERY different to face to face and few uni lecturers are actually adequately versed in the pedagogy of it. You have to do things very differently. |
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So glad our kids have done Uni and passed on to jobs etc...what a mess its gonna be ...every body knows students mix with each other ..gonna be loads of illness and transfer to homes later on ...its naive to think otherwise |
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"If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age.
the rules have always been different for under 18, they have been able to move between guardians homes freely the entire 6 months, so coming homes from boarding school really isnt much different
by going off to uni, these students have formed new larger households and you arent allowed to just flip about between households whenever you like much the same as its not allowed for single people you pick a bubble and stick with it
university students are not children and part of the point of moving away to study is about learning to stand on your own 2 feet in the real world ... well this is now the real world and its about time we stopped coddling them like they were trying to stop 18year olds from mixing and partying is impossible when your 18 life is about fun and you are invincible so why would they care. When I was 18 I deffinetly wouldn't have stuck to the rules I would have been going to house party's and living life to the max with out a care in the world.
im not naive to that, but you cant then criticise people for saying ok you are young and wanted to break the rule but the result is you dont get to come home for xmas and infect your granny
as a young adult they get to make their own decisions, but as young adults they have to also appreciates those decisions have consequences "
I'm not criticising them in any way i think they should have fun and party and enjoy been a student and the life style and experiences they would normally get from it. |
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"Yes. Definitely.
They're saying they might not get back home for Christmas! Absolutely ridiculous. Why were they allowed to welcome students back if this was the case?
They need to do a 2 week lockdown and then return home and have video lectures.
Is it beyond comprehension that we have been educated for 6 months how to wash our hands, socially distance and wear a mask and avoid transmission.
Watch a group of students behave then ask yourself what the fuck the government can do apart from lock them up until it's over.
Unbelievable"
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"If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age.
the rules have always been different for under 18, they have been able to move between guardians homes freely the entire 6 months, so coming homes from boarding school really isnt much different
by going off to uni, these students have formed new larger households and you arent allowed to just flip about between households whenever you like much the same as its not allowed for single people you pick a bubble and stick with it
university students are not children and part of the point of moving away to study is about learning to stand on your own 2 feet in the real world ... well this is now the real world and its about time we stopped coddling them like they were trying to stop 18year olds from mixing and partying is impossible when your 18 life is about fun and you are invincible so why would they care. When I was 18 I deffinetly wouldn't have stuck to the rules I would have been going to house party's and living life to the max with out a care in the world.
im not naive to that, but you cant then criticise people for saying ok you are young and wanted to break the rule but the result is you dont get to come home for xmas and infect your granny
as a young adult they get to make their own decisions, but as young adults they have to also appreciates those decisions have consequences "
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"Is it time to send them home once tested negative and to now tell tens of thousands of others not yet back to stay home and study?"
Sadly not... You have students who are committed to 12 month landlord contracts, have paid uni fees.... And even though in many cases offering next to know academic or social services are still insisting on charging full fees for it. As with most things.... Its not that simple. Had they pulled the pin back in May... It would have been do able.
To unwind it all now will be logistically impossible but also emotionally and financially a car crash.
On top of that you then have this year's a level students to factor in who are in the process of applying for places.
There seems to have been zero coordinated effort not just by universities but the student union too. |
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" What is the, difference
Really, the question we should be asking is what's the point.
We really do have to start accepting reality. We're not solving this by curtailing movement & segregating people, all we're doing is causing more hardship & distress to a greater number of people for a longer period.
Why?
This is not the black death. It's not ebola. A huge percentage of cases are either totally or mostly asymptomatic. Even among those who get ill most don't suffer serious illness.
We need to be spending the money on learning to live with this disease. Rolling out rapid, at home, testing so people CAN act responsibly from a positiin of knowledge. Staffing, equipping and if necessary building facilities to treat the sick.
We tried restrictions & lockdown. They failed. It's time for a different approach."
Agree. |
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"Is this again just a failing of testing guess the government did not think uni students would need tests.
Testing has got to be the priority not some wage back up scheme. test
Test Test
The WHO advised prioritising testing back in March. But it seems like it's been a slow process getting it sorted.
The world has to carry on turning. But with as many precautions as reasonably possible.
Yep WHO where right we should have testing in every town and doing more and more need to do at least 1.5 million a day to keep on top of this "
Come on... Seriously. What's the point in testing people who then ignore their responsibilities and continue spreading the virus.
Testing yes but with robust isolation and enforcement if positives are found. We have to moderate our behaviour it's really that simple. Stop fucking spreading it. Otherwise we are just kidding ourselves and passing the buck along. Any govt policy will fail if individuals choose to ignore it. We could test a million a day but would have no effect at all until people change their behaviour. |
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"If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age.
the rules have always been different for under 18, they have been able to move between guardians homes freely the entire 6 months, so coming homes from boarding school really isnt much different
by going off to uni, these students have formed new larger households and you arent allowed to just flip about between households whenever you like much the same as its not allowed for single people you pick a bubble and stick with it
university students are not children and part of the point of moving away to study is about learning to stand on your own 2 feet in the real world ... well this is now the real world and its about time we stopped coddling them like they were trying to stop 18year olds from mixing and partying is impossible when your 18 life is about fun and you are invincible so why would they care. When I was 18 I deffinetly wouldn't have stuck to the rules I would have been going to house party's and living life to the max with out a care in the world.
im not naive to that, but you cant then criticise people for saying ok you are young and wanted to break the rule but the result is you dont get to come home for xmas and infect your granny
as a young adult they get to make their own decisions, but as young adults they have to also appreciates those decisions have consequences
Totally "
Yep... And lots of them do. Nows the time to invest and look to the future not squash all hopes and dreams of the next generation. |
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Just leave them. Send em home then when they come back it'll just come out again. Got to let it run its course...like sweden. Death rate almost zero and infection rate very low. Lock up then lock up the virus. Open up it comes out again.
Got to let people build up T lymphocytes,which are hard to detect,then you have immunity.
Overall death rate is the same as flu.
You cannot regulate away all risk.
Most people are unaffected . |
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"If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age.
the rules have always been different for under 18, they have been able to move between guardians homes freely the entire 6 months, so coming homes from boarding school really isnt much different
by going off to uni, these students have formed new larger households and you arent allowed to just flip about between households whenever you like much the same as its not allowed for single people you pick a bubble and stick with it
university students are not children and part of the point of moving away to study is about learning to stand on your own 2 feet in the real world ... well this is now the real world and its about time we stopped coddling them like they were trying to stop 18year olds from mixing and partying is impossible when your 18 life is about fun and you are invincible so why would they care. When I was 18 I deffinetly wouldn't have stuck to the rules I would have been going to house party's and living life to the max with out a care in the world.
im not naive to that, but you cant then criticise people for saying ok you are young and wanted to break the rule but the result is you dont get to come home for xmas and infect your granny
as a young adult they get to make their own decisions, but as young adults they have to also appreciates those decisions have consequences
Totally
Yep... And lots of them do. Nows the time to invest and look to the future not squash all hopes and dreams of the next generation. "
i might be misunderstanding but missing one christmas at home and being told you cant party for a few weeks is hardly squashing the hopes and dreams of a generation ...
although i guess we are talking about a snowflake tik tok generation so maybe it will  |
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"Is this again just a failing of testing guess the government did not think uni students would need tests.
Testing has got to be the priority not some wage back up scheme. test
Test Test
The WHO advised prioritising testing back in March. But it seems like it's been a slow process getting it sorted.
The world has to carry on turning. But with as many precautions as reasonably possible.
Yep WHO where right we should have testing in every town and doing more and more need to do at least 1.5 million a day to keep on top of this
Come on... Seriously. What's the point in testing people who then ignore their responsibilities and continue spreading the virus.
Testing yes but with robust isolation and enforcement if positives are found. We have to moderate our behaviour it's really that simple. Stop fucking spreading it. Otherwise we are just kidding ourselves and passing the buck along. Any govt policy will fail if individuals choose to ignore it. We could test a million a day but would have no effect at all until people change their behaviour. "
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
I really feel for them atm.
My niece has gone to Stafford, there's already a couple of cases there, less than 2 weeks in.
I would of encouraged my child to defer for a year I think.
What a nightmare! |
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By *m389Man
over a year ago
Bromley |
When you think about going back to uni, its like a perfect storm.
When schools and pubs opened, more people were out and about but at least people stayed local.
But with uni, you have this big movement of people all over the country. People moving from Scotland to England, Manchester to London etc... So couple this with all the usual characters of that age group, going on pub crawls, house parties etc..., it’s a bad combination.
It doesn’t help that probably one of the first things they do when arriving at their uni residence is go out in mass. |
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"If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age.
the rules have always been different for under 18, they have been able to move between guardians homes freely the entire 6 months, so coming homes from boarding school really isnt much different
by going off to uni, these students have formed new larger households and you arent allowed to just flip about between households whenever you like much the same as its not allowed for single people you pick a bubble and stick with it
university students are not children and part of the point of moving away to study is about learning to stand on your own 2 feet in the real world ... well this is now the real world and its about time we stopped coddling them like they were trying to stop 18year olds from mixing and partying is impossible when your 18 life is about fun and you are invincible so why would they care. When I was 18 I deffinetly wouldn't have stuck to the rules I would have been going to house party's and living life to the max with out a care in the world.
im not naive to that, but you cant then criticise people for saying ok you are young and wanted to break the rule but the result is you dont get to come home for xmas and infect your granny
as a young adult they get to make their own decisions, but as young adults they have to also appreciates those decisions have consequences
Totally
Yep... And lots of them do. Nows the time to invest and look to the future not squash all hopes and dreams of the next generation.
i might be misunderstanding but missing one christmas at home and being told you cant party for a few weeks is hardly squashing the hopes and dreams of a generation ...
although i guess we are talking about a snowflake tik tok generation so maybe it will "
You're clearly intelligent and you well know it's not as simple as missing a Xmas. A student who started a 3 year course last Oct has already missed 3 months out of 8 of lectures. They have missed lab time and face to face time which on some courses is critical. They are now not getting face to face contact until Jan. Their logistics and finances and social lives are trashed. They are 20k in debt and are not being provided with the education we as a society need. So by all means take your attitude. And it may be true for some. But for others who are good kids trying to do their best it's bloody tough. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
Wakefield |
No they are not babies they at university to learn, one lesson for them to learn is life is tough, if they cannot cope with that send them running back to mummy until they grow up.
They have already been given a free ride over their exams, if we had missed an exam for any reason we would not have received a grade, that's life. |
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"No they are not babies they at university to learn, one lesson for them to learn is life is tough, if they cannot cope with that send them running back to mummy until they grow up.
They have already been given a free ride over their exams, if we had missed an exam for any reason we would not have received a grade, that's life."
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"No they are not babies they at university to learn, one lesson for them to learn is life is tough, if they cannot cope with that send them running back to mummy until they grow up.
They have already been given a free ride over their exams, if we had missed an exam for any reason we would not have received a grade, that's life."
Your generalisations may be true for all the kids you know. For the ones I know... Youre a long way from accurate.
Yep... Images of monty pythons 4 Yorkshire men sketch are forming..
There were 150 of us living in a box in the middle of our street...
Cardboard box?
Aye...
You were lucky...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age.
the rules have always been different for under 18, they have been able to move between guardians homes freely the entire 6 months, so coming homes from boarding school really isnt much different
by going off to uni, these students have formed new larger households and you arent allowed to just flip about between households whenever you like much the same as its not allowed for single people you pick a bubble and stick with it
university students are not children and part of the point of moving away to study is about learning to stand on your own 2 feet in the real world ... well this is now the real world and its about time we stopped coddling them like they were trying to stop 18year olds from mixing and partying is impossible when your 18 life is about fun and you are invincible so why would they care. When I was 18 I deffinetly wouldn't have stuck to the rules I would have been going to house party's and living life to the max with out a care in the world.
im not naive to that, but you cant then criticise people for saying ok you are young and wanted to break the rule but the result is you dont get to come home for xmas and infect your granny
as a young adult they get to make their own decisions, but as young adults they have to also appreciates those decisions have consequences
Totally
Yep... And lots of them do. Nows the time to invest and look to the future not squash all hopes and dreams of the next generation.
i might be misunderstanding but missing one christmas at home and being told you cant party for a few weeks is hardly squashing the hopes and dreams of a generation ...
although i guess we are talking about a snowflake tik tok generation so maybe it will
You're clearly intelligent and you well know it's not as simple as missing a Xmas. A student who started a 3 year course last Oct has already missed 3 months out of 8 of lectures. They have missed lab time and face to face time which on some courses is critical. They are now not getting face to face contact until Jan. Their logistics and finances and social lives are trashed. They are 20k in debt and are not being provided with the education we as a society need. So by all means take your attitude. And it may be true for some. But for others who are good kids trying to do their best it's bloody tough. "
to be fair i thought you were referring to their social life being curbed
i have 2 friends who started uni in 2019 (one social work one nursing)... they also both started at 2nd yr as they had college courses that let them advance ... now they might have a different attitude to learning as mature students but the level of interaction from the faculty is the same wether they are adult or just a standard teen student ... they haven’t missed 3 months of learning... yea it was provided in a different format but don't confuse uni with high school ... the teaching is still happening and the course work, exams and placements all still going ahead (even along side them trying to home school their kids there was no compassionate let up of pressure or pace) ... of course its been adapted but its not quite all out the window as people would let you believe |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The landlords in University cities would go bust so would many of the bars.
It's time the powers that be looked long term because this virus is going nowhere fast. If nothing else they ought to cotton on to the fact that they're alienating a good percentage of the people who will be voting for the next 60 years. "
Sadly these students need to learn that they are there to study and the fun can wait.If they are the future brains of this country heaven help us |
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over a year ago
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"Yes. Definitely.
They're saying they might not get back home for Christmas! Absolutely ridiculous. Why were they allowed to welcome students back if this was the case?
They need to do a 2 week lockdown and then return home and have video lectures. "
Some private schools have said the pupils/,students are not allowed out of the country at Christmas, which is not going to be nice for the foreign students. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
It wasn't that long ago that meningitis was doing the rounds in student land. Luckily, that is behind us now.
So, bearing that student digs are a separate bubble from the family home. Staying where you are now seems safer, as Covid wants people to travel, so it can hitch a lift Driving-home-for-Christmas and infect your loved ones, neighbours, fellow passengers and service station customers.
"Is your journey really necessary?" Was valid in WWWII, seems pretty relevant today.
Combined with differing rules from the home nations (there is no English Government), things will get complicated as the year draws to a close.
This seasonal mass travel will risk a third wave near Christmas and then Easter.
"Corona/Covid the Christmas present/Easter egg no one wants to receive."
Sacrifices will need to be made.
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"The landlords in University cities would go bust so would many of the bars.
It's time the powers that be looked long term because this virus is going nowhere fast. If nothing else they ought to cotton on to the fact that they're alienating a good percentage of the people who will be voting for the next 60 years. Sadly these students need to learn that they are there to study and the fun can wait.If they are the future brains of this country heaven help us"
I think that students are very well aware of why they're at university.
They are the current and future brains of this country. I think they're learning some very harsh lessons and I believe that our future is in far safer hands with them than the current "brains of this country" who were also once university students under much nicer conditions. |
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It's just been on tv. The student situation is an utter shambles. The government were warned about this back on July bu the students Union and the lecturers. Learning from home was possible if they had put it into effect back then and got everything ready. As usual this government isn't listening and now we have a growing problem with students being infected and having to isolate in lockdown. I do feel sorry for the students but this could have been avoided. Every man and his dog could have predicted problems here. Yes everyone bar our inept government. |
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"It's just been on tv. The student situation is an utter shambles. The government were warned about this back on July bu the students Union and the lecturers. Learning from home was possible if they had put it into effect back then and got everything ready. As usual this government isn't listening and now we have a growing problem with students being infected and having to isolate in lockdown. I do feel sorry for the students but this could have been avoided. Every man and his dog could have predicted problems here. Yes everyone bar our inept government. "
The gmnt make a decision something goes wrong and the finger of blame is pointed.
People not needing tests student's, teachers,people drinking.rogue algorithms.call me a cynic but I cant help but fail to see a pattern here. |
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By *eglieanCouple
over a year ago
Torbay |
Poor students,,it's ment to be the best years of their lives. Pubbing, partying, going to raves..ahhh. Don't hear much about the study side though.
What a nice Xmas present their family's will get,, possibly granny wrapped in a wooden box early in the new year, or perhaps a parent or sibling? But hey no,, who cares, they had a bloody good poss up freshers week.....and these are the people who are ment to be the brains of the future. |
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Gotta live the Industrial scale of judgement and faux outrage on this forum. Which in case you didn't realise is on a swingers site in which many many people are openly encouraging parties, meetings for sex, bareback sex. So before you cast judgement on anyone else... Have you followed all the rules at all times, isolated when necessary, travelled and holidayed when not essential, sat in a pub too close to others, worn a mask at all times specified, supplied accurate details to track and trace...
I'm not saying any of it is an excuse but for heavens sakes take a look at your own choices before throwing bricks at others. |
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"Gotta live the Industrial scale of judgement and faux outrage on this forum. Which in case you didn't realise is on a swingers site in which many many people are openly encouraging parties, meetings for sex, bareback sex. So before you cast judgement on anyone else... Have you followed all the rules at all times, isolated when necessary, travelled and holidayed when not essential, sat in a pub too close to others, worn a mask at all times specified, supplied accurate details to track and trace...
I'm not saying any of it is an excuse but for heavens sakes take a look at your own choices before throwing bricks at others. "
I have followed every rule ...im sure plenty have ..as per it's the minority spoiling it for the majority. |
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By *eglieanCouple
over a year ago
Torbay |
"Gotta live the Industrial scale of judgement and faux outrage on this forum. Which in case you didn't realise is on a swingers site in which many many people are openly encouraging parties, meetings for sex, bareback sex. So before you cast judgement on anyone else... Have you followed all the rules at all times, isolated when necessary, travelled and holidayed when not essential, sat in a pub too close to others, worn a mask at all times specified, supplied accurate details to track and trace...
I'm not saying any of it is an excuse but for heavens sakes take a look at your own choices before throwing bricks at others. "
Yes we can throw bricks. A lot can, and it pissed us off excuses being made all the time as to why the minority think they are exempt,, and can cause the most damage, and think it funny. |
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"I hope those students at Coventry Uni are feeling suitably embarrassed this morning. Somehow, I rather doubt it though.  "
Of course they wont ! They are young, they are invincible and they don't give a shit about the real world.
They need to realise that their actions are causing issues way beyond their little world, but then they probably don't care about that either and when they go home for Christmas and infect and kill granny it will be someone else's fault.
I hate this government and everything they stand for but no government can control total idiots who will find a way to stupid whatever. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Gotta live the Industrial scale of judgement and faux outrage on this forum. Which in case you didn't realise is on a swingers site in which many many people are openly encouraging parties, meetings for sex, bareback sex. So before you cast judgement on anyone else... Have you followed all the rules at all times, isolated when necessary, travelled and holidayed when not essential, sat in a pub too close to others, worn a mask at all times specified, supplied accurate details to track and trace...
I'm not saying any of it is an excuse but for heavens sakes take a look at your own choices before throwing bricks at others.
I have followed every rule ...im sure plenty have ..as per it's the minority spoiling it for the majority. "
I definitely have, I'm caring for my dad and disabled brother at the moment and would never put their health at risk. |
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"Gotta live the Industrial scale of judgement and faux outrage on this forum. Which in case you didn't realise is on a swingers site in which many many people are openly encouraging parties, meetings for sex, bareback sex. So before you cast judgement on anyone else... Have you followed all the rules at all times, isolated when necessary, travelled and holidayed when not essential, sat in a pub too close to others, worn a mask at all times specified, supplied accurate details to track and trace...
I'm not saying any of it is an excuse but for heavens sakes take a look at your own choices before throwing bricks at others.
I have followed every rule ...im sure plenty have ..as per it's the minority spoiling it for the majority.
I definitely have, I'm caring for my dad and disabled brother at the moment and would never put their health at risk."
Keep doing what you're doing...stay safe x |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Gotta live the Industrial scale of judgement and faux outrage on this forum. Which in case you didn't realise is on a swingers site in which many many people are openly encouraging parties, meetings for sex, bareback sex. So before you cast judgement on anyone else... Have you followed all the rules at all times, isolated when necessary, travelled and holidayed when not essential, sat in a pub too close to others, worn a mask at all times specified, supplied accurate details to track and trace...
I'm not saying any of it is an excuse but for heavens sakes take a look at your own choices before throwing bricks at others.
I have followed every rule ...im sure plenty have ..as per it's the minority spoiling it for the majority.
I definitely have, I'm caring for my dad and disabled brother at the moment and would never put their health at risk.
Keep doing what you're doing...stay safe x"
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"Gotta live the Industrial scale of judgement and faux outrage on this forum. Which in case you didn't realise is on a swingers site in which many many people are openly encouraging parties, meetings for sex, bareback sex. So before you cast judgement on anyone else... Have you followed all the rules at all times, isolated when necessary, travelled and holidayed when not essential, sat in a pub too close to others, worn a mask at all times specified, supplied accurate details to track and trace...
I'm not saying any of it is an excuse but for heavens sakes take a look at your own choices before throwing bricks at others. "
Yes we follow the rules at all times, never say too close in a pub (in fact we wouldn't go unless for a meal occasionally, yes we wear masks at all times specified and why on earth wouldn't you supply a curate details to track and trace ??
We had holidays booked but they were cancelled and we will book when allowed.
We haven't been asked to isolate and that's most likely because we wouldn't deliberately put ourselves in a position where we could contract the virus and as above we always respect the rules
Only a complete imbecile would do otherwise as it only leads to further and more stringent restrictions, and I don't include those who have to take calculated risks as part of their job |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened "
The students have to take some responsibility |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
Uni/college students are young adults, who should be able to wash, clean, feed and cook for themselves.
Don't infect Granny, by having an illicit party 2 days before you pop down beforehand, she won't thank you from the grave.
Sacrifice one whole year of your live, so she can enjoy a few more. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
I’m down in London tomorrow checking it out she’s been there two weeks the flat is costing eight grand a year to do an online course but she likes the experience still. If they come home they will never go back |
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
The students have to take some responsibility "
It is predictable though. Cram a load of us into a new town, in cramped living conditions compared to home, ration a few lectures we can view on our laptops sprinkled on odd days, whilst we are surrounded by people we will probably not get on that well with, 24/7.
Students will be frustrated, lonely, emotional, angry at the situation, horny and need contact with others. |
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened "
The govt has been crap managing and leading through the pandemic and seeminy getting worse. There is no denying it. But so have a lot of the public. Students know there is a pandemic of a virus that is easy spread through close contact. And still choose to party. My concern is those students who have stuck by the rules.... Isolated in halls where they are rife with infected students. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened "
Why is that surprising they are testing more people, it’s everywhere , it’s not new they are just testing now so aware of it. Surely everyone realises now this bug is widespread and isn’t going anywhere |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
The students have to take some responsibility
It is predictable though. Cram a load of us into a new town, in cramped living conditions compared to home, ration a few lectures we can view on our laptops sprinkled on odd days, whilst we are surrounded by people we will probably not get on that well with, 24/7.
Students will be frustrated, lonely, emotional, angry at the situation, horny and need contact with others. "
There will be a lot of people feeling like that... |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
The govt has been crap managing and leading through the pandemic and seeminy getting worse. There is no denying it. But so have a lot of the public. Students know there is a pandemic of a virus that is easy spread through close contact. And still choose to party. My concern is those students who have stuck by the rules.... Isolated in halls where they are rife with infected students. "
True |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened "
And 90% showing no symptoms ~ scary! |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
And 90% showing no symptoms ~ scary!"
That is scary, which is why we have to abide by the rules/laws |
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
Why is that surprising they are testing more people, it’s everywhere , it’s not new they are just testing now so aware of it. Surely everyone realises now this bug is widespread and isn’t going anywhere "
we knew, this bug was widespread so why allow, students from all over the place into an area to spread it even more so. the universities were greedy for the money. This was all forecasted and predictable. Ive just seen a message from a student." I've come to study and party. i will do what I want when I want". I'm not saying all students, are bad but there are worrying numbers, who don't give a toss here. |
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They were, all out in their droves in Newcastle on Tuesday in bars, and streets,. Some have said they lied when stopped and said they all belonged to the same house just to get in somewhere,
It's getting out of hand now. How, do you think residents feel when they see this degree of flouting of the regulations. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"Yes. Definitely.
They're saying they might not get back home for Christmas! Absolutely ridiculous. Why were they allowed to welcome students back if this was the case?
They need to do a 2 week lockdown and then return home and have video lectures.
Is it beyond comprehension that we have been educated for 6 months how to wash our hands, socially distance and wear a mask and avoid transmission.
Watch a group of students behave then ask yourself what the fuck the government can do apart from lock them up until it's over.
Unbelievable
Watch a group of "responsible" adults in Tesco or any big store. Unbelievable behaviour and basic inability to maintain any sort of distance. "
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And 90% showing no symptoms ~ scary!
That is scary, which is why we have to abide by the rules/laws "
The possible plan for herd immunity for the young working? |
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
Why is that surprising they are testing more people, it’s everywhere , it’s not new they are just testing now so aware of it. Surely everyone realises now this bug is widespread and isn’t going anywhere we knew, this bug was widespread so why allow, students from all over the place into an area to spread it even more so. the universities were greedy for the money. This was all forecasted and predictable. Ive just seen a message from a student." I've come to study and party. i will do what I want when I want". I'm not saying all students, are bad but there are worrying numbers, who don't give a toss here. "
Nothing to do with the numerous 'life must go on"connents on here every day? |
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
Why is that surprising they are testing more people, it’s everywhere , it’s not new they are just testing now so aware of it. Surely everyone realises now this bug is widespread and isn’t going anywhere we knew, this bug was widespread so why allow, students from all over the place into an area to spread it even more so. the universities were greedy for the money. This was all forecasted and predictable. Ive just seen a message from a student." I've come to study and party. i will do what I want when I want". I'm not saying all students, are bad but there are worrying numbers, who don't give a toss here.
Nothing to do with the numerous 'life must go on"connents on here every day?"
Nothing but daft "connents" as usual |
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over a year ago
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"dunno why they are bothering.
way things are going the only jobs available will be fast food deliverys or supermarkets."
There is a Chinese saying
"Even if I thought the world was going to end tomorrow, I'd still plant the tree today" |
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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago
Beyond the shadows. |
"dunno why they are bothering.
way things are going the only jobs available will be fast food deliverys or supermarkets.
There is a Chinese saying
"Even if I thought the world was going to end tomorrow, I'd still plant the tree today""
I like that saying, they do have a way with words don't they |
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"dunno why they are bothering.
way things are going the only jobs available will be fast food deliverys or supermarkets.
There is a Chinese saying
"Even if I thought the world was going to end tomorrow, I'd still plant the tree today""
Good positive thinking.. |
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"dunno why they are bothering.
way things are going the only jobs available will be fast food deliverys or supermarkets.
There is a Chinese saying
"Even if I thought the world was going to end tomorrow, I'd still plant the tree today"
I like that saying, they do have a way with words don't they "
And viruses...
Ohhhh the virus is the tree... |
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"dunno why they are bothering.
way things are going the only jobs available will be fast food deliverys or supermarkets.
There is a Chinese saying
"Even if I thought the world was going to end tomorrow, I'd still plant the tree today""
Positive vibes all around....
PHE data shows outbreaks in Care Homes have gone down from 228 two weeks ago to 134 and now stand at 91 in England.
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"dunno why they are bothering.
way things are going the only jobs available will be fast food deliverys or supermarkets.
There is a Chinese saying
"Even if I thought the world was going to end tomorrow, I'd still plant the tree today"
Positive vibes all around....
PHE data shows outbreaks in Care Homes have gone down from 228 two weeks ago to 134 and now stand at 91 in England.
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"Just let them get in with it, like the school kids, you can't stop them anyway. They'll all be immune in a month. "
They are essentially having their own covid party's, its so far gone through them I think you are right |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened "
What should have happened ? Do you think denying students a chance to go to university this year is a good idea? What do the students who are in their second ,third, forth year do just forget about it?.The university's had to open there are too many students who are already part the way through courses and even if they could go back the following year this would then deny the following years students a place. Im sure the government and university's would love to know your solution.
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"The landlords in University cities would go bust so would many of the bars.
It's time the powers that be looked long term because this virus is going nowhere fast. If nothing else they ought to cotton on to the fact that they're alienating a good percentage of the people who will be voting for the next 60 years. "
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"The landlords in University cities would go bust so would many of the bars.
It's time the powers that be looked long term because this virus is going nowhere fast. If nothing else they ought to cotton on to the fact that they're alienating a good percentage of the people who will be voting for the next 60 years.
This "
so it's, all right to alienate, everyone else, and let them run amok spreading it all over
Some on here, have no idea, how local people feel when they see what is happening. You simply cannot have one set of people obeying restrictions, and another not. This, government has 2 options 1,we,all go into lockdown fully (which is, a, v bad, option) and 2,we shield the vulnerable, and let the, rest of us, get in with our lives
If we, don't get this, right there will be no future, for anyone. This, government and its half measures, is a joke |
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"The landlords in University cities would go bust so would many of the bars.
It's time the powers that be looked long term because this virus is going nowhere fast. If nothing else they ought to cotton on to the fact that they're alienating a good percentage of the people who will be voting for the next 60 years.
This so it's, all right to alienate, everyone else, and let them run amok spreading it all over
Some on here, have no idea, how local people feel when they see what is happening. You simply cannot have one set of people obeying restrictions, and another not. This, government has 2 options 1,we,all go into lockdown fully (which is, a, v bad, option) and 2,we shield the vulnerable, and let the, rest of us, get in with our lives
If we, don't get this, right there will be no future, for anyone. This, government and its half measures, is a joke "
I agree with some of that... I'd never have thought it would be a tory govt being so lily livered and pathetic. |
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"The landlords in University cities would go bust so would many of the bars.
It's time the powers that be looked long term because this virus is going nowhere fast. If nothing else they ought to cotton on to the fact that they're alienating a good percentage of the people who will be voting for the next 60 years.
This so it's, all right to alienate, everyone else, and let them run amok spreading it all over
Some on here, have no idea, how local people feel when they see what is happening. You simply cannot have one set of people obeying restrictions, and another not. This, government has 2 options 1,we,all go into lockdown fully (which is, a, v bad, option) and 2,we shield the vulnerable, and let the, rest of us, get in with our lives
If we, don't get this, right there will be no future, for anyone. This, government and its half measures, is a joke "
I agree that you can't have one set of people obeying restrictions and the other not.
However moving a huge number of young people around the country to live in shared accommodation with people from diverse locations and then acting all surprised when there's an uptick in cases seems incredibly naive to me. It also looks like a bit of an experiment in how young people cope with catching the virus.
We have a similar situation down here with holiday makers not abiding by the regulations. They arrived en masse in Sept and seemed to consider themselves immune to covid because they were by the sea. |
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They should try to ensure all the students catch it whilst living together in isolation. In a month the problem is solved, they can all go home without being worried about passing it on or catching it. |
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"They should try to ensure all the students catch it whilst living together in isolation. In a month the problem is solved, they can all go home without being worried about passing it on or catching it."
Maybe that's the plan. |
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Time for them to get a job working in a factory in the real World for 12 months, and defer Uni for a year. The Universities are taking the piss..... accepting the money for something it is impossible to deliver.  |
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"Time for them to get a job working in a factory in the real World for 12 months, and defer Uni for a year. The Universities are taking the piss..... accepting the money for something it is impossible to deliver. "
why do they need to get a job in a factory? Are you saying that students need a reality check ? |
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"Time for them to get a job working in a factory in the real World for 12 months, and defer Uni for a year. The Universities are taking the piss..... accepting the money for something it is impossible to deliver. "
An education? |
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Generally I have no pity to waste on the current woe is me, resilience lacking generation. That have, in most aspects of society flaunted this virus as nothing more than a common cold that only kills the old and susceptible. It's a tough lesson but hey, jusy maybe some of them might grow a bit of resilience and an appreciation for others |
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"Wont happen.to much mpney to lose from all those uni fees.cant charge 9 grand a year if there sat in there living rooms doing there courses
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That’s exactly what’s happening but most of them aren’t in the comfort of their own living rooms, they’re in a pokey room and paying £500+ a month for the privilege. On top of their course fees. Our eldest only has face to face lectures once every 3-4 weeks for 2 hours, the rest is online.
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"Time for them to get a job working in a factory in the real World for 12 months, and defer Uni for a year. The Universities are taking the piss..... accepting the money for something it is impossible to deliver. "
You’re assuming there’s an abundance of job opportunities at the moment.
And many students are working to support themselves through Uni. Don’t assume all students are lazy and avoiding ‘the real world’.
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"Time for them to get a job working in a factory in the real World for 12 months, and defer Uni for a year. The Universities are taking the piss..... accepting the money for something it is impossible to deliver. "
so its ok to disrupt students in their 2nd,3rd,4th, year? where will all new students the following year go or do you just deny them a chance of going to uni? dont think you have really thought this through. |
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"Wont happen.to much mpney to lose from all those uni fees.cant charge 9 grand a year if there sat in there living rooms doing there courses
Saldy that's exactly what they're happy to do. Because of covid and many strikes before that most students had not even a few weeks of lectures in a whole academic year. This year will be no different. It's abhorrent and incredibly worrying for the educational standards for all students, how will they be able to do jobs at the end without the tuition? (online lectures are non existent or poor at most universities) xx"
Some universities will adapt better than others but at many contact time is the same as in normal times, it’s just that a lot is now digital.
At some it may have been poor in March, but universities had to move their courses online literally overnight. The idea that generally there is no tuition provided, or that online delivery is somehow done without academic staff doing this is a misconception.
The cost of staffing etc remains the same. Unless there was government assistance most universities simply couldn’t afford to keep going if there was a reduction in fees, and then where would be? For there to be reductions the government would need to step in
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By *amish SMan
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"Is it time to send them home once tested negative and to now tell tens of thousands of others not yet back to stay home and study?"
Clearly not, after University of Durham's result yesterday it is clear students are being used as a test source to establish how bad it could be in society. 700 tested positive and only 70 with symptoms, considering students are super social it gives a good idea of the proportion in society that have it with no symptoms.
If you consider this is general testing of all students against the Government Phase testing where only those with symptoms or those required to have weekly tests are evaluated, then student testing tells us a lot about the spread. |
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By *ostafunMan
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"I’m thinking even if teaching was done online, a sizeable chunk with still have wanted to move into uni halls for the experience."
That was all you were seeing on the tv before they went back " i will miss out on the experience" im not sure when uni went from a place to improve your education to something similar to a theme park. |
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"I’m thinking even if teaching was done online, a sizeable chunk with still have wanted to move into uni halls for the experience.That was all you were seeing on the tv before they went back " i will miss out on the experience" im not sure when uni went from a place to improve your education to something similar to a theme park. "
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Hopefully I'm allowed to post this link from today's online guardian... I'm not a fan of the way this govt is dealing with the crisis. But Im also not a fan of the unrealistic trend for blaming them for everything that goes wrong.
The article lays most of the blame for this on the dishonest and disingenuous University managers. It's worth taking some time to read it and understand a bit better the situation that students have been locked into.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/02/universities-students-campus-teaching-fees
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"Time for them to get a job working in a factory in the real World for 12 months, and defer Uni for a year. The Universities are taking the piss..... accepting the money for something it is impossible to deliver. "
What a daft statement. Most of the students I know work part time in industries that support the local community. You also forget there are many mature students (such as myself) who have worked for many years already and have gone back to study (while continuing to work) in an area that they actually want to work in. It is not impossible for universities to deliver what they are offering, they managed incredibly well given the circumstances surrounding lockdown.
Another thing to remember is that students are generally the age least affected by the virus and while it is not ideal that infection rates are rising (something that was predicted by health organisations around the world), heard immunity is the most likely outcome to this virus, currently. It's now about limiting the number of cases to reduce the strain on the NHS. |
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Unfortunately as they sing it’s all about the money money the student population is getting slaughtered but it is the universities and the governments are the issue universities for money grabbing and the goverment not having the foresight to test the students before returning how many different nationalities come to Britain for an education Was there any screening in place ? In my opinion maybe right or wrong the latest problems originated started when people could not get there test results within 24 hours also remember more tests means more people having Covid this is going to be with us for sometime is it not time we tried to get back to the new normal people need to be trusted close the pubs 10 pm do you think young people will just go home teenagers who are not old enough to drink won’t go home at 10 pm !!! |
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"Unfortunately as they sing it’s all about the money money the student population is getting slaughtered but it is the universities and the governments are the issue universities for money grabbing and the goverment not having the foresight to test the students before returning how many different nationalities come to Britain for an education Was there any screening in place ? In my opinion maybe right or wrong the latest problems originated started when people could not get there test results within 24 hours also remember more tests means more people having Covid this is going to be with us for sometime is it not time we tried to get back to the new normal people need to be trusted close the pubs 10 pm do you think young people will just go home teenagers who are not old enough to drink won’t go home at 10 pm !!!"
If you come from a country not in the travel corridor you MUST isolate for 14 days its not rocket science.
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"Unfortunately as they sing it’s all about the money money the student population is getting slaughtered but it is the universities and the governments are the issue universities for money grabbing and the goverment not having the foresight to test the students before returning how many different nationalities come to Britain for an education Was there any screening in place ? In my opinion maybe right or wrong the latest problems originated started when people could not get there test results within 24 hours also remember more tests means more people having Covid this is going to be with us for sometime is it not time we tried to get back to the new normal people need to be trusted close the pubs 10 pm do you think young people will just go home teenagers who are not old enough to drink won’t go home at 10 pm !!!If you come from a country not in the travel corridor you MUST isolate for 14 days its not rocket science."
None of it is rocket science. Apart from students on the aeronautics course. |
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"Yes. Definitely.
They're saying they might not get back home for Christmas! Absolutely ridiculous. Why were they allowed to welcome students back if this was the case?
They need to do a 2 week lockdown and then return home and have video lectures.
Is it beyond comprehension that we have been educated for 6 months how to wash our hands, socially distance and wear a mask and avoid transmission.
Watch a group of students behave then ask yourself what the fuck the government can do apart from lock them up until it's over.
Unbelievable"
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The common cold is around and that’s deadly to some people , it’s time to nut up put our big boy pants on and continue with life, people die every day and I sure as hell don’t intent to spend what limited time we may have on the planet scared in my house on my own |
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"Yes. Definitely.
They're saying they might not get back home for Christmas! Absolutely ridiculous. Why were they allowed to welcome students back if this was the case?
They need to do a 2 week lockdown and then return home and have video lectures.
Is it beyond comprehension that we have been educated for 6 months how to wash our hands, socially distance and wear a mask and avoid transmission.
Watch a group of students behave then ask yourself what the fuck the government can do apart from lock them up until it's over.
Unbelievable
Watch a group of "responsible" adults in Tesco or any big store. Unbelievable behaviour and basic inability to maintain any sort of distance. "
I have seen far more students ignoring the social distancing rules, in fact i havnt seen any students follow the social distancing rules in Loughborough on campus. |
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"If you are vanrabal would you let your student home knowing you could catch it from them?
Is this more to the point.
And if uni students ate not allowed home should this also include all birding school students no matter what there age.
the rules have always been different for under 18, they have been able to move between guardians homes freely the entire 6 months, so coming homes from boarding school really isnt much different
by going off to uni, these students have formed new larger households and you arent allowed to just flip about between households whenever you like much the same as its not allowed for single people you pick a bubble and stick with it
university students are not children and part of the point of moving away to study is about learning to stand on your own 2 feet in the real world ... well this is now the real world and its about time we stopped coddling them like they were trying to stop 18year olds from mixing and partying is impossible when your 18 life is about fun and you are invincible so why would they care. When I was 18 I deffinetly wouldn't have stuck to the rules I would have been going to house party's and living life to the max with out a care in the world.
im not naive to that, but you cant then criticise people for saying ok you are young and wanted to break the rule but the result is you dont get to come home for xmas and infect your granny
as a young adult they get to make their own decisions, but as young adults they have to also appreciates those decisions have consequences "
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I study through the Open University.
Most of my study is online.
Normally I would meet my tutor but that's not happening.
Most of Open is through online study.
So no social distancing measures here.
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"I study through the Open University.
Most of my study is online.
Normally I would meet my tutor but that's not happening.
Most of Open is through online study.
So no social distancing measures here.
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But normally, students of Open Uni doing science and engineering courses would attend periodic practical courses where they'd stay for a week or more. Same for field trips etc. Not all courses can be taught properly wholly online and frankly nor should they. |
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened "
I think it shows that the students havn't followed the socially distancing rules. |
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"I study through the Open University.
Most of my study is online.
Normally I would meet my tutor but that's not happening.
Most of Open is through online study.
So no social distancing measures here.
But normally, students of Open Uni doing science and engineering courses would attend periodic practical courses where they'd stay for a week or more. Same for field trips etc. Not all courses can be taught properly wholly online and frankly nor should they. "
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
I think it shows that the students havn't followed the socially distancing rules."
What do you think happens when you take a group of people from all corners of the world, house them in shared flats of 6-10 people with shared kitchen, bathrooms and social spaces? The only private space is their (single) bedroom? Of course it was going to spread just by them all moving in together. It didn't need parties or anything else. |
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over a year ago
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When blaming students people forget that residential students are on a tight leash of socialising within there own flat, can't mix households and the majority of the workforce for hospitality and retail is students. Sure there's a minority who don't follow the rules but most people I know have followed the rules to a tee yet were still getting blamed. And Uni wise at least at most universities nothing but a select few courses is in person and even those are done to a minimal situation. Only reason cases appear up is due to testing going up. |
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"I study through the Open University.
Most of my study is online.
Normally I would meet my tutor but that's not happening.
Most of Open is through online study.
So no social distancing measures here.
But normally, students of Open Uni doing science and engineering courses would attend periodic practical courses where they'd stay for a week or more. Same for field trips etc. Not all courses can be taught properly wholly online and frankly nor should they.
I agree. I certainly don't want a dentist or doctor who has only theoretical training "
Correct. Nor civil engineers designing bridges, nor aerospace engineers designing that aeroplane you go on, biomedical scientists who test your blood samples and Covid swabs etc. There isn't a single scientific field that isn't practical. |
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
I think it shows that the students havn't followed the socially distancing rules.
What do you think happens when you take a group of people from all corners of the world, house them in shared flats of 6-10 people with shared kitchen, bathrooms and social spaces? The only private space is their (single) bedroom? Of course it was going to spread just by them all moving in together. It didn't need parties or anything else. "
If they aren't able to cope with that then they shouldn't have gone to uni. However the ones i see, hundreds on a daily basis, arn't following social distancing rules when walking to and from uni, in shops, pubs etc anyway.
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"I study through the Open University.
Most of my study is online.
Normally I would meet my tutor but that's not happening.
Most of Open is through online study.
So no social distancing measures here.
But normally, students of Open Uni doing science and engineering courses would attend periodic practical courses where they'd stay for a week or more. Same for field trips etc. Not all courses can be taught properly wholly online and frankly nor should they.
I agree. I certainly don't want a dentist or doctor who has only theoretical training
Correct. Nor civil engineers designing bridges, nor aerospace engineers designing that aeroplane you go on, biomedical scientists who test your blood samples and Covid swabs etc. There isn't a single scientific field that isn't practical. "
Yep. I agree with your points above too re moving people from all over the country and indeed the world and putting them in shared accommodation. I made a similar point myself further up.
I think we need to stop demonising certain groups and blaming them for the spread of the virus and darn well work together. |
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
I think it shows that the students havn't followed the socially distancing rules.
What do you think happens when you take a group of people from all corners of the world, house them in shared flats of 6-10 people with shared kitchen, bathrooms and social spaces? The only private space is their (single) bedroom? Of course it was going to spread just by them all moving in together. It didn't need parties or anything else.
If they aren't able to cope with that then they shouldn't have gone to uni. However the ones i see, hundreds on a daily basis, arn't following social distancing rules when walking to and from uni, in shops, pubs etc anyway.
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Its not about coping! It's about mixing people up from hither and thither in close living quarters and wondering why an airborne disease spreads!! Have you been to a typical Hall of residence recently? All the facilities tend to be shared, apart from a or bedroom, so it was inevitable that coronavirus would infect lots of the students, even if every single one of them followed every rule down to the last letter.
If we took a bunch of "responsible" adults in their 50s from around the world and housed them in the same facilities, exactly the same would have happened, just with more severe consequences due to the impact of age. |
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To add, if they are shopping in their accommodation bubble, then 6-10 students can legitimately be mixed up together without social distancing, as they are going back to share a bathroom, kitchen and living area. |
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Testing doesn't solve it no matter how good it bad.
Behaviour change does, Brits are generally very selfish people, self entitled and that's accepted worldwide. Why? Behaviour.
All the testing isn't going to stop it, be behaviour change will.
Testing just highlights the problem better and provides information and data.
There's a few highly populated countries where the infection rate has been dropping and still dropping and the main reason is behaviour and respect towards others. |
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"I study through the Open University.
Most of my study is online.
Normally I would meet my tutor but that's not happening.
Most of Open is through online study.
So no social distancing measures here.
But normally, students of Open Uni doing science and engineering courses would attend periodic practical courses where they'd stay for a week or more. Same for field trips etc. Not all courses can be taught properly wholly online and frankly nor should they.
I agree. I certainly don't want a dentist or doctor who has only theoretical training
Correct. Nor civil engineers designing bridges, nor aerospace engineers designing that aeroplane you go on, biomedical scientists who test your blood samples and Covid swabs etc. There isn't a single scientific field that isn't practical. "
I don't believe that civil engineering, aerospace and other engineering students etc would be affected at all. The vast majority of their studying could easily be done online with a few 'catch-up' sessions done later on or via real industrial training. They could all go home.
I agree it would be tricky for future lab rat students. |
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"I study through the Open University.
Most of my study is online.
Normally I would meet my tutor but that's not happening.
Most of Open is through online study.
So no social distancing measures here.
But normally, students of Open Uni doing science and engineering courses would attend periodic practical courses where they'd stay for a week or more. Same for field trips etc. Not all courses can be taught properly wholly online and frankly nor should they.
I agree. I certainly don't want a dentist or doctor who has only theoretical training
Correct. Nor civil engineers designing bridges, nor aerospace engineers designing that aeroplane you go on, biomedical scientists who test your blood samples and Covid swabs etc. There isn't a single scientific field that isn't practical.
I don't believe that civil engineering, aerospace and other engineering students etc would be affected at all. The vast majority of their studying could easily be done online with a few 'catch-up' sessions done later on or via real industrial training. They could all go home.
I agree it would be tricky for future lab rat students."
The unis we work with pride themselves on the practical focus of their engineering courses. Engineering is not simply theoretical and ongoing and embedded practical work is essential. I'd not be suggesting my child attended a wholly online engineering course at any rate. Students doing apprenticeships in engineering are still getting the workplace experience, so unis need to be providing the same sort of hands on work. |
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over a year ago
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
I think it shows that the students havn't followed the socially distancing rules.
What do you think happens when you take a group of people from all corners of the world, house them in shared flats of 6-10 people with shared kitchen, bathrooms and social spaces? The only private space is their (single) bedroom? Of course it was going to spread just by them all moving in together. It didn't need parties or anything else. "
They had been there less than 5 days, which would suggest most caught prior to getting there. Most I suspect caught it nearer home and took it with them. Due to the timescale, can't really blame student life just yet, but agree their living arrangements make infection more likely. |
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
I think it shows that the students havn't followed the socially distancing rules.
What do you think happens when you take a group of people from all corners of the world, house them in shared flats of 6-10 people with shared kitchen, bathrooms and social spaces? The only private space is their (single) bedroom? Of course it was going to spread just by them all moving in together. It didn't need parties or anything else.
They had been there less than 5 days, which would suggest most caught prior to getting there. Most I suspect caught it nearer home and took it with them. Due to the timescale, can't really blame student life just yet, but agree their living arrangements make infection more likely. "
Totally agree. Many asymptomatic carriers converge on shared living and hey presto! Lots of infections, the majority asymptomatic because they are fit and healthy. It is textbook airborne spread of a pathogen (I hope the ones studying microbiology, epidemiology etc were taking notes!) |
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
I think it shows that the students havn't followed the socially distancing rules.
What do you think happens when you take a group of people from all corners of the world, house them in shared flats of 6-10 people with shared kitchen, bathrooms and social spaces? The only private space is their (single) bedroom? Of course it was going to spread just by them all moving in together. It didn't need parties or anything else.
They had been there less than 5 days, which would suggest most caught prior to getting there. Most I suspect caught it nearer home and took it with them. Due to the timescale, can't really blame student life just yet, but agree their living arrangements make infection more likely.
Totally agree. Many asymptomatic carriers converge on shared living and hey presto! Lots of infections, the majority asymptomatic because they are fit and healthy. It is textbook airborne spread of a pathogen (I hope the ones studying microbiology, epidemiology etc were taking notes!) "
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
I think it shows that the students havn't followed the socially distancing rules.
What do you think happens when you take a group of people from all corners of the world, house them in shared flats of 6-10 people with shared kitchen, bathrooms and social spaces? The only private space is their (single) bedroom? Of course it was going to spread just by them all moving in together. It didn't need parties or anything else.
They had been there less than 5 days, which would suggest most caught prior to getting there. Most I suspect caught it nearer home and took it with them. Due to the timescale, can't really blame student life just yet, but agree their living arrangements make infection more likely.
Totally agree. Many asymptomatic carriers converge on shared living and hey presto! Lots of infections, the majority asymptomatic because they are fit and healthy. It is textbook airborne spread of a pathogen (I hope the ones studying microbiology, epidemiology etc were taking notes!)
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"Over 770 students, have tested positive at northumbria, University. I think that says it all this government is crap. This should not have happened
I think it shows that the students havn't followed the socially distancing rules.
What do you think happens when you take a group of people from all corners of the world, house them in shared flats of 6-10 people with shared kitchen, bathrooms and social spaces? The only private space is their (single) bedroom? Of course it was going to spread just by them all moving in together. It didn't need parties or anything else.
They had been there less than 5 days, which would suggest most caught prior to getting there. Most I suspect caught it nearer home and took it with them. Due to the timescale, can't really blame student life just yet, but agree their living arrangements make infection more likely.
Totally agree. Many asymptomatic carriers converge on shared living and hey presto! Lots of infections, the majority asymptomatic because they are fit and healthy. It is textbook airborne spread of a pathogen (I hope the ones studying microbiology, epidemiology etc were taking notes!)
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I find it interesting that so many think online lectures are the answer. There's is NO substitute for being in a lecture hall with lecturer present. Yes you can ask questions in online lectures, however this can be difficult when there 40+ others in the lecture. Some may find it embarrassing to speak up with all ears listening to them ask what they may see as a "silly question".
Then there are the more practically based courses... I'm currently undertaking a feed trial on fish, for which I must be present for a few hours, seven days a week. It would in fact be illegal for me not to do so under the Animal Rights Act due to welfare concerns for the fish.
My thesis for my dissertation this year also requires me to be in for a few hours, seven days a week. Once again this is a matter of legality due to animal welfare...
The practical aspects surrounding learning are what often separates a great graduate from a good graduate. Would you let someone who had read a book on how to build a house, build you a house with no prior practical application? I'm guessing not... |
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"I find it interesting that so many think online lectures are the answer. There's is NO substitute for being in a lecture hall with lecturer present. Yes you can ask questions in online lectures, however this can be difficult when there 40+ others in the lecture. Some may find it embarrassing to speak up with all ears listening to them ask what they may see as a "silly question".
Then there are the more practically based courses... I'm currently undertaking a feed trial on fish, for which I must be present for a few hours, seven days a week. It would in fact be illegal for me not to do so under the Animal Rights Act due to welfare concerns for the fish.
My thesis for my dissertation this year also requires me to be in for a few hours, seven days a week. Once again this is a matter of legality due to animal welfare...
The practical aspects surrounding learning are what often separates a great graduate from a good graduate. Would you let someone who had read a book on how to build a house, build you a house with no prior practical application? I'm guessing not..."
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"I find it interesting that so many think online lectures are the answer. There's is NO substitute for being in a lecture hall with lecturer present. Yes you can ask questions in online lectures, however this can be difficult when there 40+ others in the lecture. Some may find it embarrassing to speak up with all ears listening to them ask what they may see as a "silly question".
Then there are the more practically based courses... I'm currently undertaking a feed trial on fish, for which I must be present for a few hours, seven days a week. It would in fact be illegal for me not to do so under the Animal Rights Act due to welfare concerns for the fish.
My thesis for my dissertation this year also requires me to be in for a few hours, seven days a week. Once again this is a matter of legality due to animal welfare...
The practical aspects surrounding learning are what often separates a great graduate from a good graduate. Would you let someone who had read a book on how to build a house, build you a house with no prior practical application? I'm guessing not...
Well said, and good luck with your thesis "
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I'd also be very interested to know how many on here are commenting, without having actually attended university themselves... |
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"I find it interesting that so many think online lectures are the answer. There's is NO substitute for being in a lecture hall with lecturer present. Yes you can ask questions in online lectures, however this can be difficult when there 40+ others in the lecture. Some may find it embarrassing to speak up with all ears listening to them ask what they may see as a "silly question".
Then there are the more practically based courses... I'm currently undertaking a feed trial on fish, for which I must be present for a few hours, seven days a week. It would in fact be illegal for me not to do so under the Animal Rights Act due to welfare concerns for the fish.
My thesis for my dissertation this year also requires me to be in for a few hours, seven days a week. Once again this is a matter of legality due to animal welfare...
The practical aspects surrounding learning are what often separates a great graduate from a good graduate. Would you let someone who had read a book on how to build a house, build you a house with no prior practical application? I'm guessing not...
Well said, and good luck with your thesis
Thank you going to need it
I'd also be very interested to know how many on here are commenting, without having actually attended university themselves..."
I teach foundation students and am HoD, as well as obviously having attended uni. I believe few people actually understand how it all works or why saying "do it online" is insufficient. I'm teaching wholly online at the moment and students just don't interact. They won't put their cameras on and will only speak if cajoled. They only type into the chat which makes for a difficult and stilted lesson. I can't wait to get back to normal. |
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"I find it interesting that so many think online lectures are the answer. There's is NO substitute for being in a lecture hall with lecturer present. Yes you can ask questions in online lectures, however this can be difficult when there 40+ others in the lecture. Some may find it embarrassing to speak up with all ears listening to them ask what they may see as a "silly question".
Then there are the more practically based courses... I'm currently undertaking a feed trial on fish, for which I must be present for a few hours, seven days a week. It would in fact be illegal for me not to do so under the Animal Rights Act due to welfare concerns for the fish.
My thesis for my dissertation this year also requires me to be in for a few hours, seven days a week. Once again this is a matter of legality due to animal welfare...
The practical aspects surrounding learning are what often separates a great graduate from a good graduate. Would you let someone who had read a book on how to build a house, build you a house with no prior practical application? I'm guessing not...
Well said, and good luck with your thesis
Thank you going to need it
I'd also be very interested to know how many on here are commenting, without having actually attended university themselves...
I teach foundation students and am HoD, as well as obviously having attended uni. I believe few people actually understand how it all works or why saying "do it online" is insufficient. I'm teaching wholly online at the moment and students just don't interact. They won't put their cameras on and will only speak if cajoled. They only type into the chat which makes for a difficult and stilted lesson. I can't wait to get back to normal. "
I would very much agree. I'm likely finding it easier than most as a mature student. I have no issues speaking out and interacting in lectures. I do however find I'm more easily distracted and sometimes will just daydream, which is something I would never do in face to face lectures. They are simply far more engaging! |
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"I find it interesting that so many think online lectures are the answer. There's is NO substitute for being in a lecture hall with lecturer present. Yes you can ask questions in online lectures, however this can be difficult when there 40+ others in the lecture. Some may find it embarrassing to speak up with all ears listening to them ask what they may see as a "silly question".
Then there are the more practically based courses... I'm currently undertaking a feed trial on fish, for which I must be present for a few hours, seven days a week. It would in fact be illegal for me not to do so under the Animal Rights Act due to welfare concerns for the fish.
My thesis for my dissertation this year also requires me to be in for a few hours, seven days a week. Once again this is a matter of legality due to animal welfare...
The practical aspects surrounding learning are what often separates a great graduate from a good graduate. Would you let someone who had read a book on how to build a house, build you a house with no prior practical application? I'm guessing not...
Well said, and good luck with your thesis
Thank you going to need it
I'd also be very interested to know how many on here are commenting, without having actually attended university themselves...
I teach foundation students and am HoD, as well as obviously having attended uni. I believe few people actually understand how it all works or why saying "do it online" is insufficient. I'm teaching wholly online at the moment and students just don't interact. They won't put their cameras on and will only speak if cajoled. They only type into the chat which makes for a difficult and stilted lesson. I can't wait to get back to normal.
I would very much agree. I'm likely finding it easier than most as a mature student. I have no issues speaking out and interacting in lectures. I do however find I'm more easily distracted and sometimes will just daydream, which is something I would never do in face to face lectures. They are simply far more engaging!"
Our mature students are the more likely to interact too. The younger ones are often very passive online. You can't use the normal non-verbal methods of assessing student engagement, to see if you need to go over things again or come at things in a different way. With students in-person, that is much easier. It's also easier to help students quietly one to one during a larger session. That's impossible online. Anyone who thinks online is the same or even similar as F2F has no idea about pedagogy. |
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"I find it interesting that so many think online lectures are the answer. There's is NO substitute for being in a lecture hall with lecturer present. Yes you can ask questions in online lectures, however this can be difficult when there 40+ others in the lecture. Some may find it embarrassing to speak up with all ears listening to them ask what they may see as a "silly question".
Then there are the more practically based courses... I'm currently undertaking a feed trial on fish, for which I must be present for a few hours, seven days a week. It would in fact be illegal for me not to do so under the Animal Rights Act due to welfare concerns for the fish.
My thesis for my dissertation this year also requires me to be in for a few hours, seven days a week. Once again this is a matter of legality due to animal welfare...
The practical aspects surrounding learning are what often separates a great graduate from a good graduate. Would you let someone who had read a book on how to build a house, build you a house with no prior practical application? I'm guessing not...
Well said, and good luck with your thesis
Thank you going to need it
I'd also be very interested to know how many on here are commenting, without having actually attended university themselves...
I teach foundation students and am HoD, as well as obviously having attended uni. I believe few people actually understand how it all works or why saying "do it online" is insufficient. I'm teaching wholly online at the moment and students just don't interact. They won't put their cameras on and will only speak if cajoled. They only type into the chat which makes for a difficult and stilted lesson. I can't wait to get back to normal.
I would very much agree. I'm likely finding it easier than most as a mature student. I have no issues speaking out and interacting in lectures. I do however find I'm more easily distracted and sometimes will just daydream, which is something I would never do in face to face lectures. They are simply far more engaging!
Our mature students are the more likely to interact too. The younger ones are often very passive online. You can't use the normal non-verbal methods of assessing student engagement, to see if you need to go over things again or come at things in a different way. With students in-person, that is much easier. It's also easier to help students quietly one to one during a larger session. That's impossible online. Anyone who thinks online is the same or even similar as F2F has no idea about pedagogy. "
Exactly. My dissertation seminars are online due to it encompassing all 3rd years from varying subject areas (in aim of minimising contact between groups) which is great except the questions you have will all be personal to the dissertation subject you are working on. Having 60 or so individuals all trying to get the specific information they require for their dissertation is simply ludicrous... but hey, what can you do haha. |
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"I find it interesting that so many think online lectures are the answer. There's is NO substitute for being in a lecture hall with lecturer present. Yes you can ask questions in online lectures, however this can be difficult when there 40+ others in the lecture. Some may find it embarrassing to speak up with all ears listening to them ask what they may see as a "silly question".
Then there are the more practically based courses... I'm currently undertaking a feed trial on fish, for which I must be present for a few hours, seven days a week. It would in fact be illegal for me not to do so under the Animal Rights Act due to welfare concerns for the fish.
My thesis for my dissertation this year also requires me to be in for a few hours, seven days a week. Once again this is a matter of legality due to animal welfare...
The practical aspects surrounding learning are what often separates a great graduate from a good graduate. Would you let someone who had read a book on how to build a house, build you a house with no prior practical application? I'm guessing not...
Well said, and good luck with your thesis
Thank you going to need it
I'd also be very interested to know how many on here are commenting, without having actually attended university themselves...
I teach foundation students and am HoD, as well as obviously having attended uni. I believe few people actually understand how it all works or why saying "do it online" is insufficient. I'm teaching wholly online at the moment and students just don't interact. They won't put their cameras on and will only speak if cajoled. They only type into the chat which makes for a difficult and stilted lesson. I can't wait to get back to normal.
I would very much agree. I'm likely finding it easier than most as a mature student. I have no issues speaking out and interacting in lectures. I do however find I'm more easily distracted and sometimes will just daydream, which is something I would never do in face to face lectures. They are simply far more engaging!
Our mature students are the more likely to interact too. The younger ones are often very passive online. You can't use the normal non-verbal methods of assessing student engagement, to see if you need to go over things again or come at things in a different way. With students in-person, that is much easier. It's also easier to help students quietly one to one during a larger session. That's impossible online. Anyone who thinks online is the same or even similar as F2F has no idea about pedagogy. "
You are quite right. Engagement and ownership of their studies becomes even more difficult on a online learning platform.
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