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"I will be surprised if it doesn't drain your battery. This is what happened in Germany, and millions just took it off their phone. " You can disable the Bluetooth contact bit. Usefully you can set a reminder to turn it back on. | |||
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"I will be surprised if it doesn't drain your battery. This is what happened in Germany, and millions just took it off their phone. You can disable the Bluetooth contact bit. Usefully you can set a reminder to turn it back on. " Disabling the Bluetooth contact makes the app completely pointless! It’s designed to pick up when you’ve been in close proximity to others with the app, so that if you or they test positive at some point then you (or they) can be contacted to self isolate. If you disable the Bluetooth function it has no way of detecting who you’ve been in contact with | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks "Why? | |||
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"I will be surprised if it doesn't drain your battery. This is what happened in Germany, and millions just took it off their phone. You can disable the Bluetooth contact bit. Usefully you can set a reminder to turn it back on. Disabling the Bluetooth contact makes the app completely pointless! It’s designed to pick up when you’ve been in close proximity to others with the app, so that if you or they test positive at some point then you (or they) can be contacted to self isolate. If you disable the Bluetooth function it has no way of detecting who you’ve been in contact with " Which is fine if you're sitting WFH not seeing anyone. You just need to turn it back on when you go to the shops... Obviously less useful, if you work in a shop...  | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?"Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends. | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?
Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends. "If you’ve been isolated for 14 days, you won’t have been in contact with anyone else, therefore the app will detect that and you won’t be contacted.... that’s how the contact tracing bit of it works | |||
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"so what exactly does it tell you ? Who near you has it - say 2 next door or is it real time with everyone in your town that has it at that moment ???" My thoughts too.. | |||
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"I will be surprised if it doesn't drain your battery. This is what happened in Germany, and millions just took it off their phone. You can disable the Bluetooth contact bit. Usefully you can set a reminder to turn it back on. Disabling the Bluetooth contact makes the app completely pointless! It’s designed to pick up when you’ve been in close proximity to others with the app, so that if you or they test positive at some point then you (or they) can be contacted to self isolate. If you disable the Bluetooth function it has no way of detecting who you’ve been in contact with " So if there's a wall between the two people, as in next door to each other, the bluetooth doesn't recognise the wall but the distance. Also, if you are required to put your phone in a locker (some companies and establishments do this) and you may have no contact with anyone but your phone was near them, then it thinks you are near them. There are reasons why it should and has to be disabled otherwise the facility to turn on/off wouldn't be there. This, at least, appears to be a voluntary download as opposed to the download embedded in phones in April. However, apparently, i phones before 6s cannot download the app. Yeah, it's track and trace but also seems a voluntary tag. | |||
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"so what exactly does it tell you ? Who near you has it - say 2 next door or is it real time with everyone in your town that has it at that moment ??? My thoughts too.. ? does it tell you who has it in your street ??" Why I asked, we are in the NHS volunteers app and that shows other responders in the local area.. If this does similar or alerts are sent when someone is local rather than close ? | |||
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"The nhs covid one of course
What are your thoughts on it?"Don't know yet op. I will look at it only. Then decide. | |||
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"If the app asks you self isolate, then this is voluntary. If NHS track and trace contact you, then its a legal requirement to self isolate." Thanks, was aware of the latter.. | |||
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" With the introduction of the venue barcode reader I'm now reconsidering because that appears to be a case of you were in the same building, no matter the size of the building." Or somewhere like a gym you might not have even been in the same room. | |||
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"We are using it. It is probably a flawed system but even if it helps by the tiniest amount then everyone should be using it. And if everyone did use it then think how many lives could be saved? Unless you wear a tin foil had obviously." I am on here as being pretty outspoken against the latter however and I am as my kids say a techie neanderthal but even I spotted the flaw I posted above.. Please don't associate pointing out the bleeding obvious with some sort of virus denial.. | |||
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"I was considering the App when they originally said it would tell you if you had been closer than 2 metres for longer than 15 minutes, because that was what they said would constitute close contact. With the introduction of the venue barcode reader I'm now reconsidering because that appears to be a case of you were in the same building, no matter the size of the building." Thick as mince with those qr codes but can they be read in relation to the size of the building or don't they differentiate between the close confined of a corner shop and Tesco's? | |||
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"Is the bluetooth working on it now?" I believe so, though nothing would surprise me | |||
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"We are using it. It is probably a flawed system but even if it helps by the tiniest amount then everyone should be using it. And if everyone did use it then think how many lives could be saved? Unless you wear a tin foil had obviously. I am on here as being pretty outspoken against the latter however and I am as my kids say a techie neanderthal but even I spotted the flaw I posted above.. Please don't associate pointing out the bleeding obvious with some sort of virus denial.. " Also, as we don't check out of places with the app, it will only know when we arrived. | |||
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" Please don't associate pointing out the bleeding obvious with some sort of virus denial.. I was meaning the tin foil hat bit at people that think the government are using it to hack into peoples phones." 
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"I was considering the App when they originally said it would tell you if you had been closer than 2 metres for longer than 15 minutes, because that was what they said would constitute close contact. With the introduction of the venue barcode reader I'm now reconsidering because that appears to be a case of you were in the same building, no matter the size of the building. Thick as mince with those qr codes but can they be read in relation to the size of the building or don't they differentiate between the close confined of a corner shop and Tesco's?" The QR codes are for places like pubs and restaurants. Anywhere you have to give contact details to visit currently | |||
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" Please don't associate pointing out the bleeding obvious with some sort of virus denial.. I was meaning the tin foil hat bit at people that think the government are using it to hack into peoples phones." You have to give it permission to use your camera for photos and video, which would allow it to scan QR codes but I'm sure some of those will insist it's to video our lives  | |||
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"I was considering the App when they originally said it would tell you if you had been closer than 2 metres for longer than 15 minutes, because that was what they said would constitute close contact. With the introduction of the venue barcode reader I'm now reconsidering because that appears to be a case of you were in the same building, no matter the size of the building. Thick as mince with those qr codes but can they be read in relation to the size of the building or don't they differentiate between the close confined of a corner shop and Tesco's? The QR codes are for places like pubs and restaurants. Anywhere you have to give contact details to visit currently " I'm aware of that. I'm saying that just being in the same building is a lot different to being in close contact which was the premise of the original theory when the Apps were first announced. | |||
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"We are using it. It is probably a flawed system but even if it helps by the tiniest amount then everyone should be using it. And if everyone did use it then think how many lives could be saved? Unless you wear a tin foil had obviously. I am on here as being pretty outspoken against the latter however and I am as my kids say a techie neanderthal but even I spotted the flaw I posted above.. Please don't associate pointing out the bleeding obvious with some sort of virus denial.. Also, as we don't check out of places with the app, it will only know when we arrived. "
My thoughts are whilst as pointed out any notice to isolate is voluntary which seems odd but even with a negative covid test the app isolation clock will still be running?
To myself that means it thinks the person is at home and won't then register of a person after a negative test goes out and might then come into another contact..?
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"I was considering the App when they originally said it would tell you if you had been closer than 2 metres for longer than 15 minutes, because that was what they said would constitute close contact. With the introduction of the venue barcode reader I'm now reconsidering because that appears to be a case of you were in the same building, no matter the size of the building. Thick as mince with those qr codes but can they be read in relation to the size of the building or don't they differentiate between the close confined of a corner shop and Tesco's? The QR codes are for places like pubs and restaurants. Anywhere you have to give contact details to visit currently " Yes got that ta, but if I am shown positive after being in Tesco Extra which is massive does a qr code and the app have the means to differentiate between that size shop and the average 'corner' shop.. | |||
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"is it spying on you? sending alsorts of info about you back to the chinese? "Our local knows what we like.. | |||
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"is it spying on you? sending alsorts of info about you back to the chinese? "In this case it would be google and apple.... commies! | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?
Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends. "Its only if you have been in contact with someone for more than 15 minutes. Its not going to tell you isolate if someone just walks past your house with it. | |||
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"When instructed to self-isolate, does everyone else in your household have to isolate too ? " Yes because they would now have been in contact with it. | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?
Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends.
Its only if you have been in contact with someone for more than 15 minutes.
Its not going to tell you isolate if someone just walks past your house with it. "Are you sure. I haven't see that confirmed with regards to the Q code system. | |||
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"is it spying on you? sending alsorts of info about you back to the chinese?
In this case it would be google and apple.... commies! "The Chinese know where I live as well as how often I order take out from them | |||
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"No chance If I get contacted by track and trace, I won’t get paid by my employer. I’ve had Covid already anyway - before social distancing started and the lockdown. I’ll follow the rules, keep my distance, wash my hands and wear my mask." You are entitled to at least statutory sick pay if you have to self isolate. | |||
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"I have downloaded it. You can turn it off when at home. It uses low energy bluetooth so it doesn't drain your battery much. Data is handled by Apple and Google, and is much more secure than what was originally proposed by the government." I'd prefer it to be handled by Facebook. Not only do you know your data WILL be sold, you'll know who to and for how much
Why are people who have Facebook and report everything they do from what they had for dinner to how came out the other end, worried about their security?
I've jus installed the app. But before it did, when I went to Kiosk 4 (now 6) at PDI my Google would announce to the world that I was at a Gay Nudist Beach... | |||
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"No chance If I get contacted by track and trace, I won’t get paid by my employer. I’ve had Covid already anyway - before social distancing started and the lockdown. I’ll follow the rules, keep my distance, wash my hands and wear my mask." If you are told you have to self isolate and you don't then you are breaking the law and putting lives at risk. | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?
Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends.
Its only if you have been in contact with someone for more than 15 minutes.
Its not going to tell you isolate if someone just walks past your house with it.
Are you sure. I haven't see that confirmed with regards to the Q code system.
"Yes my sister lives on the Isle of Wight so was part of the trial. Her nextdoor tested positive and she wasn't asked to self isolate. | |||
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"No chance If I get contacted by track and trace, I won’t get paid by my employer. I’ve had Covid already anyway - before social distancing started and the lockdown. I’ll follow the rules, keep my distance, wash my hands and wear my mask. If you are told you have to self isolate and you don't then you are breaking the law and putting lives at risk. " But there is no legal requirement to install the app. Therefore, you can't be told to self isolate... (I have downloaded and installed the app) | |||
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"I don't allow apps access to my location, I don't switch on Bluetooth and location when I'm out. So I can't see how downloading this app to my phone would do any good. I also only go to school and a supermarket (mostly super markets deliver to me though in all honesty) so I don't think I'm the target audience either. " If testing is limited to those who show symptoms then we are alway one step behind the virus. If we know who those people have been in contact with we are one step ahead of the virus. I hardly ever leave the house but then neither did many of the elderly outside carehomes who died from the pandemic. So I have the app. | |||
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"No chance If I get contacted by track and trace, I won’t get paid by my employer. I’ve had Covid already anyway - before social distancing started and the lockdown. I’ll follow the rules, keep my distance, wash my hands and wear my mask. You are entitled to at least statutory sick pay if you have to self isolate." sadly ssp isn't enough to pay bills and feed my family. That will be the reality for many people so it's not surprising there is reluctance. | |||
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"Yep. Nothing wrong with it. Nice UX, simple to use. Doesn’t seem to touch my battery in any real way. And as far as I’m concerned, it’s another tool to try and reduce the risk of this virus continuing. Little things together make the bigger picture." | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?
Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends.
Its only if you have been in contact with someone for more than 15 minutes.
Its not going to tell you isolate if someone just walks past your house with it.
Are you sure. I haven't see that confirmed with regards to the Q code system.
Yes my sister lives on the Isle of Wight so was part of the trial.
Her nextdoor tested positive and she wasn't asked to self isolate. "You don't need to be asked to self isolate, its obvious that you should do so. | |||
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"I've noticed a number of local venues I support are only allowing access after you've scanned the barcode thing. So, if you want to continue access people will have to download it. " Rightly so If you don’t wanna contribute to the chance - even slim - that we rid the world of Covid, you can just stay away from social places in my opinion. It’s boring but those are the choices we make. I also believe everyone working in public facing or environments with other people should be tested and need the all clear.
You’d not fuck someone if you thought they might have an STD, why would you happily interact with random people who might have Covid? | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?
Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends.
Its only if you have been in contact with someone for more than 15 minutes.
Its not going to tell you isolate if someone just walks past your house with it.
Are you sure. I haven't see that confirmed with regards to the Q code system.
Yes my sister lives on the Isle of Wight so was part of the trial.
Her nextdoor tested positive and she wasn't asked to self isolate. "I’m talking about the QR bar code for entering various premises. Does it only contact you if you have been in close contact, or does it tell you to self isolate because you’ve been in the same premises. | |||
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"No chance If I get contacted by track and trace, I won’t get paid by my employer. I’ve had Covid already anyway - before social distancing started and the lockdown. I’ll follow the rules, keep my distance, wash my hands and wear my mask. If you are told you have to self isolate and you don't then you are breaking the law and putting lives at risk. But there is no legal requirement to install the app. Therefore, you can't be told to self isolate... (I have downloaded and installed the app) " I didn't say there was. There is a legal requirement to self isolate if you have been told to. | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?
Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends.
Its only if you have been in contact with someone for more than 15 minutes.
Its not going to tell you isolate if someone just walks past your house with it.
Are you sure. I haven't see that confirmed with regards to the Q code system.
Yes my sister lives on the Isle of Wight so was part of the trial.
Her nextdoor tested positive and she wasn't asked to self isolate.
You don't need to be asked to self isolate, its obvious that you should do so."Huh? So if someone leaves nextdoor but you haven't had any contact with them, you should self isolate?  | |||
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"I've noticed a number of local venues I support are only allowing access after you've scanned the barcode thing. So, if you want to continue access people will have to download it. Rightly so If you don’t wanna contribute to the chance - even slim - that we rid the world of Covid, you can just stay away from social places in my opinion. It’s boring but those are the choices we make. I also believe everyone working in public facing or environments with other people should be tested and need the all clear.
You’d not fuck someone if you thought they might have an STD, why would you happily interact with random people who might have Covid?"What about people who choose not to have a mobile device? Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc.. The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them.. | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?
Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends.
Its only if you have been in contact with someone for more than 15 minutes.
Its not going to tell you isolate if someone just walks past your house with it.
Are you sure. I haven't see that confirmed with regards to the Q code system.
Yes my sister lives on the Isle of Wight so was part of the trial.
Her nextdoor tested positive and she wasn't asked to self isolate.
I’m talking about the QR bar code for entering various premises. Does it only contact you if you have been in close contact, or does it tell you to self isolate because you’ve been in the same premises."I not sure, im guessing so because thats how it works if you have been to a pub let's say. Its if its been more than 15 minutes. | |||
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"I don't allow apps access to my location, I don't switch on Bluetooth and location when I'm out. So I can't see how downloading this app to my phone would do any good. I also only go to school and a supermarket (mostly super markets deliver to me though in all honesty) so I don't think I'm the target audience either. If testing is limited to those who show symptoms then we are alway one step behind the virus. If we know who those people have been in contact with we are one step ahead of the virus. I hardly ever leave the house but then neither did many of the elderly outside carehomes who died from the pandemic. So I have the app." The UK being at least 1 step behind the virus I agree with
I avoid people, I don't go into care homes, pubs, restaurants and I wear a mask, keep distance, wash my hands and am fully recovered from covid (like 5 months +)
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" What about people who choose not to have a mobile device? Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc.. The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them.. " It's 2020, even my 90 year old neighbour owns a modern mobile phone. | |||
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"I don't allow apps access to my location, I don't switch on Bluetooth and location when I'm out. So I can't see how downloading this app to my phone would do any good. I also only go to school and a supermarket (mostly super markets deliver to me though in all honesty) so I don't think I'm the target audience either. If testing is limited to those who show symptoms then we are alway one step behind the virus. If we know who those people have been in contact with we are one step ahead of the virus. I hardly ever leave the house but then neither did many of the elderly outside carehomes who died from the pandemic. So I have the app. The UK being at least 1 step behind the virus I agree with
I avoid people, I don't go into care homes, pubs, restaurants and I wear a mask, keep distance, wash my hands and am fully recovered from covid (like 5 months +)
So how does my having an app, disabled before even installed have any impact on knowing who currently has the virus?"For you personally it probably doesn't make much difference. I leave the house for one of three reasons. Once a month I buy groceries enough to last a month. Twice or three times a week I go on a sunbed. I won't be let in inless I scan my QR code. Once every two months I go into to work. My main reason for downloading the app is to get the numbers up. If people read no one downloading the app they will see it as another flop and not download it themselves. For myself... in 10 days time I will be on a plane (hopefully) and headed to a place where a similar app is mandatory. A place whose Covid-19 cases are falling almost as fast as ours are skyrocketing. | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?
Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends.
Its only if you have been in contact with someone for more than 15 minutes.
Its not going to tell you isolate if someone just walks past your house with it. "You seem to be the only person who has listened to how the app works, and only one person has so far picked up what you said. It's funny how many on this site comment how poor the government's messages on covid are but cant even listen to a simple announcement, perhaps it's not the government that's at fault but peoples ability to listen or their desire to blame Boris et al. At least I'm not alone in hearing what was said | |||
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" What about people who choose not to have a mobile device? Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc.. The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them.. It's 2020, even my 90 year old neighbour owns a modern mobile phone." That's nice.. We too have relatives who do also however we know some who don't.. Whilst I'm aware that not all the public would need to signed up my point is as much about excluding people as was suggested.. | |||
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"The nhs covid one of course
What are your thoughts on it?"Downloaded it this morning so it’s somewhat a piece of mind | |||
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"Can't afford to take time off work and be financially crippled so no, I won't be downloading it. " This | |||
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"Can't afford to take time off work and be financially crippled so no, I won't be downloading it. This" And then there are those you might be financially crippled because you might unknowingly pass Covid-19 on to them. But it's every man for himself right? | |||
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"Can't afford to take time off work and be financially crippled so no, I won't be downloading it. This And then there are those you might be financially crippled because you might unknowingly pass Covid-19 on to them. But it's every man for himself right?" Until you've walked a mile in my shoes, don't judge! | |||
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"Can't afford to take time off work and be financially crippled so no, I won't be downloading it. This And then there are those you might be financially crippled because you might unknowingly pass Covid-19 on to them. But it's every man for himself right?" Exactly how it comes across. | |||
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"Can't afford to take time off work and be financially crippled so no, I won't be downloading it. This And then there are those you might be financially crippled because you might unknowingly pass Covid-19 on to them. But it's every man for himself right?" For some yes. I haven’t had any income for 7 months up until this week. I’m an agency worker so no furloughed pay for me. I can’t work from home like some, so even that isn’t an option. It’s easy to judge others situations when it doesn’t effect you. | |||
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"Can't afford to take time off work and be financially crippled so no, I won't be downloading it. This And then there are those you might be financially crippled because you might unknowingly pass Covid-19 on to them. But it's every man for himself right? Until you've walked a mile in my shoes, don't judge!" I am self employed. If I don't work I don't get paid. I have downloaded the app. Because if somehow I got infected I would want people who have been in contact with me to get tested before they unknowingly pass it on to others. | |||
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"I've noticed a number of local venues I support are only allowing access after you've scanned the barcode thing. So, if you want to continue access people will have to download it. " This is a good way of stopping the selfish and those with their head in the sand | |||
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"Can't afford to take time off work and be financially crippled so no, I won't be downloading it. This And then there are those you might be financially crippled because you might unknowingly pass Covid-19 on to them. But it's every man for himself right?" I need to eat and pay my bills. I cannot survive on SSP. | |||
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"The nhs covid one of course
What are your thoughts on it?"Putting NHS in front of it doesn't make it so. I'd be surprised if the general public know how many private companies are involved (inc. Amazon!). | |||
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"Can't afford to take time off work and be financially crippled so no, I won't be downloading it. This And then there are those you might be financially crippled because you might unknowingly pass Covid-19 on to them. But it's every man for himself right? I need to eat and pay my bills. I cannot survive on SSP. " You only get contacted if someone you have been in close contact with has tested positive so you would have to self isolate. The changes are this would be family member or work colleague so you would be contacted through track and trace regardless of whether you have the app or not. | |||
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"It's a load of bollocks, time to go back to a phone with no apps wifi or Bluetooth" What think is bollocks is that people who have been doing their best not to spread the virus since February, still have to do so because of people who just don't give a damn. That's bollocks. | |||
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"The nhs covid one of course
What are your thoughts on it?
Putting NHS in front of it doesn't make it so. I'd be surprised if the general public know how many private companies are involved (inc. Amazon!).
"It's mostly not NHS! Apart from a few C level appointees who were hired to run this (i.e. mismanage). I work at a software company. For what's been delivered, half a dozen of the team in our Cambridge office could have knocked it up over the weekend... | |||
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". . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in and inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your phone. "Now you've gone and ruined all those arguments with the facts. That's all well and good but the bottom line is that this app will ADVISE me to isolate. And as a white middle aged British male I reserve the right to get totally bent out of shape if someone politely asks me to do something. | |||
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". . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in and inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your phone.
Now you've gone and ruined all those arguments with the facts.
That's all well and good but the bottom line is that this app will ADVISE me to isolate. And as a white middle aged British male I reserve the right to get totally bent out of shape if someone politely asks me to do something.
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" What about people who choose not to have a mobile device? Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc.. The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them.. It's 2020, even my 90 year old neighbour owns a modern mobile phone. That's nice.. We too have relatives who do also however we know some who don't.. Whilst I'm aware that not all the public would need to signed up my point is as much about excluding people as was suggested.." If people don't want to, or cant... That's fine. The more we work together to control the spread the better. For me personally it will be of little use. Im making sure Im good at maintaining distance. But no harm in using it. Stronger together | |||
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". . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in and inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your phone.
Now you've gone and ruined all those arguments with the facts.
That's all well and good but the bottom line is that this app will ADVISE me to isolate. And as a white middle aged British male I reserve the right to get totally bent out of shape if someone politely asks me to do something.
And that is the problem with this app . . . 'you have to do the right thing'.
"It's like that guy from Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail.... Help! I'm being reppressed! | |||
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". . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in and inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your phone.
Now you've gone and ruined all those arguments with the facts.
That's all well and good but the bottom line is that this app will ADVISE me to isolate. And as a white middle aged British male I reserve the right to get totally bent out of shape if someone politely asks me to do something.
And that is the problem with this app . . . 'you have to do the right thing'.
It's like that guy from Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail....
Help! I'm being reppressed!"But we defend Judith's right to be who she wants to be. lol | |||
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". . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in and inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your phone.
Now you've gone and ruined all those arguments with the facts.
That's all well and good but the bottom line is that this app will ADVISE me to isolate. And as a white middle aged British male I reserve the right to get totally bent out of shape if someone politely asks me to do something.
And that is the problem with this app . . . 'you have to do the right thing'.
It's like that guy from Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail....
Help! I'm being reppressed!
But we defend Judith's right to be who she wants to be. lol"That's just looking on the bright side
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". . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in and inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your phone. "
Cheers Cat, one question I as a techie neanderthal read on the BBC news page was that if after the app says isolate you then have a negative test the app can't be reset if the test is done within the isolation period..
Seems a bit of a flaw..
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". . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in and inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your phone.
Cheers Cat, one question I as a techie neanderthal read on the BBC news page was that if after the app says isolate you then have a negative test the app can't be reset if the test is done within the isolation period..
Seems a bit of a flaw..
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"We both have a I phone 6 and apparantly the app isn’t compatible with our phones " There's a cool excuse to upgrade lol. | |||
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"No smart phone Me neither, just a bog standard 15yr old Nokia." You can leave your name and telephone number at places you go to if you don't have the app | |||
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"Just a question? There as some saying venues WONT allow you to enter UNLESS you have the app to scan QR code. If so, I can see this being legally challenged as discriminatory (as the app isnt compulsory). We all know venues have the right of refusal, but if not on their T&C's then someone will look at it that way. Btw, am not saying this right or wrong, just that it may happen." The problem with this is that every venue has to have track and trace by law now. For those venues not using the NHS qr code still have to keep a paper record. So you would bar yourself from entry if you didn't do one or the other. | |||
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"Just a question? There as some saying venues WONT allow you to enter UNLESS you have the app to scan QR code. If so, I can see this being legally challenged as discriminatory (as the app isnt compulsory). We all know venues have the right of refusal, but if not on their T&C's then someone will look at it that way. Btw, am not saying this right or wrong, just that it may happen. The problem with this is that every venue has to have track and trace by law now. For those venues not using the NHS qr code still have to keep a paper record. So you would bar yourself from entry if you didn't do one or the other." I understand that...it was more of a question about those venues that ONLY do QR scans. I leave my contact details the old fashioned way...but I do leave them, and correct details to boot | |||
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"Just a question? There as some saying venues WONT allow you to enter UNLESS you have the app to scan QR code. If so, I can see this being legally challenged as discriminatory (as the app isnt compulsory). We all know venues have the right of refusal, but if not on their T&C's then someone will look at it that way. Btw, am not saying this right or wrong, just that it may happen. The problem with this is that every venue has to have track and trace by law now. For those venues not using the NHS qr code still have to keep a paper record. So you would bar yourself from entry if you didn't do one or the other. I understand that...it was more of a question about those venues that ONLY do QR scans. I leave my contact details the old fashioned way...but I do leave them, and correct details to boot "They are being encouraged to use the qr code. If that's what they choose their defence would be 'complying with the law' | |||
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"Just a question? There as some saying venues WONT allow you to enter UNLESS you have the app to scan QR code. If so, I can see this being legally challenged as discriminatory (as the app isnt compulsory). We all know venues have the right of refusal, but if not on their T&C's then someone will look at it that way. Btw, am not saying this right or wrong, just that it may happen. The problem with this is that every venue has to have track and trace by law now. For those venues not using the NHS qr code still have to keep a paper record. So you would bar yourself from entry if you didn't do one or the other. I understand that...it was more of a question about those venues that ONLY do QR scans. I leave my contact details the old fashioned way...but I do leave them, and correct details to boot
They are being encouraged to use the qr code. If that's what they choose their defence would be 'complying with the law'"Thanks, cleared that up | |||
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"Just a question? There as some saying venues WONT allow you to enter UNLESS you have the app to scan QR code. If so, I can see this being legally challenged as discriminatory (as the app isnt compulsory). We all know venues have the right of refusal, but if not on their T&C's then someone will look at it that way. Btw, am not saying this right or wrong, just that it may happen." 
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"The nhs covid one of course
What are your thoughts on it?
Putting NHS in front of it doesn't make it so. I'd be surprised if the general public know how many private companies are involved (inc. Amazon!)."Shockingly, the NHS is not a software development company. | |||
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"The nhs covid one of course
What are your thoughts on it?
Putting NHS in front of it doesn't make it so. I'd be surprised if the general public know how many private companies are involved (inc. Amazon!).
Shockingly, the NHS is not a software development company.
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"We both have a I phone 6 and apparantly the app isn’t compatible with our phones There's a cool excuse to upgrade lol. "Nowt wrong wit phones we got tho so no need to upgrade Lol | |||
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"Never going to upload it. Its all about control and nothing to do with any virus. God help us all when the so called money runs out. If you are sheep, you will be easily led. Watch this space, Boris will resign, Dishy Rishy will become leader and at the next election you will all vote for Kier Starmer. By then it will be too late. Wake up people!!!!! "Got WOKE to CON-spiracies like this for a long time now. But 'too late' for 'What' exactly? - Because people who write like this NEVER EVER say ? | |||
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"Never going to upload it. Its all about control and nothing to do with any virus. God help us all when the so called money runs out. If you are sheep, you will be easily led. Watch this space, Boris will resign, Dishy Rishy will become leader and at the next election you will all vote for Kier Starmer. By then it will be too late. Wake up people!!!!! "You're right. My phone has just told me to do the dishes and wash the car. I am enslaved. Wish you had warned me before it was too late  | |||
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"Never going to upload it. Its all about control and nothing to do with any virus. God help us all when the so called money runs out. If you are sheep, you will be easily led. Watch this space, Boris will resign, Dishy Rishy will become leader and at the next election you will all vote for Kier Starmer. By then it will be too late. Wake up people!!!!!
You're right. My phone has just told me to do the dishes and wash the car. I am enslaved. Wish you had warned me before it was too late "Read your phone properly it says Wash My Car and Dishes !!!! | |||
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"Never going to upload it. Its all about control and nothing to do with any virus. God help us all when the so called money runs out. If you are sheep, you will be easily led. Watch this space, Boris will resign, Dishy Rishy will become leader and at the next election you will all vote for Kier Starmer. By then it will be too late. Wake up people!!!!!
You're right. My phone has just told me to do the dishes and wash the car. I am enslaved. Wish you had warned me before it was too late
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"Never going to upload it. Its all about control and nothing to do with any virus. God help us all when the so called money runs out. If you are sheep, you will be easily led. Watch this space, Boris will resign, Dishy Rishy will become leader and at the next election you will all vote for Kier Starmer. By then it will be too late. Wake up people!!!!!
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"We both have a I phone 6 and apparantly the app isn’t compatible with our phones There's a cool excuse to upgrade lol. "Government send me a free phone upgrade and I will be happy to install the app.. until then this 6 will be run till it dies! | |||
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"We both have a I phone 6 and apparantly the app isn’t compatible with our phones There's a cool excuse to upgrade lol.
Government send me a free phone upgrade and I will be happy to install the app.. until then this 6 will be run till it dies!"If you do all the dirty disgusting things my phone is telling me to do then you can have mine! Such filth on my virgin ears! | |||
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"We both have a I phone 6 and apparantly the app isn’t compatible with our phones There's a cool excuse to upgrade lol.
Government send me a free phone upgrade and I will be happy to install the app.. until then this 6 will be run till it dies!
If you do all the dirty disgusting things my phone is telling me to do then you can have mine! Such filth on my virgin ears!"Coughs quietly and under breath murmurs "Bullshit" | |||
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"Shameless BUMP . . . . . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in an inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your Phone. "Because if they intended to do naughty things with our data, they'd tell us up front? | |||
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"I will be surprised if it doesn't drain your battery. This is what happened in Germany, and millions just took it off their phone. " I have had mine turned on since 6 am this morning, battery still showing full | |||
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"We both have a I phone 6 and apparantly the app isn’t compatible with our phones There's a cool excuse to upgrade lol.
Government send me a free phone upgrade and I will be happy to install the app.. until then this 6 will be run till it dies!
If you do all the dirty disgusting things my phone is telling me to do then you can have mine! Such filth on my virgin ears!
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"I will be surprised if it doesn't drain your battery. This is what happened in Germany, and millions just took it off their phone. I have had mine turned on since 6 am this morning, battery still showing full" Of course it drains your battery because it's reporting everything you say and do to MI5, MI6, Scotland Yard, Dominic Cummings, the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, the Illuminati and Saturday Night Live. Which is such a waste because Facebook already sold them all that info. | |||
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" What about people who choose not to have a mobile device? Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc.. The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them.. It's 2020, even my 90 year old neighbour owns a modern mobile phone." Can def say not all Oaps have mobiles. My parents 80 never use mobile phones. Not all of us carry phones all day either. Never take mine out when walking our dog or popping to the shops. | |||
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"When instructed to self-isolate, does everyone else in your household have to isolate too ? " Yes. | |||
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"Just a question? There as some saying venues WONT allow you to enter UNLESS you have the app to scan QR code. If so, I can see this being legally challenged as discriminatory (as the app isnt compulsory). We all know venues have the right of refusal, but if not on their T&C's then someone will look at it that way. Btw, am not saying this right or wrong, just that it may happen." You have a very good point there. Not everyone will be able to scan the qr code. | |||
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"Just a question? There as some saying venues WONT allow you to enter UNLESS you have the app to scan QR code. If so, I can see this being legally challenged as discriminatory (as the app isnt compulsory). We all know venues have the right of refusal, but if not on their T&C's then someone will look at it that way. Btw, am not saying this right or wrong, just that it may happen." Some places only allow payment with credit card... Not everywhere needs to accept everyone and everything | |||
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"Shameless BUMP . . . . . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in an inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your Phone. "OK tech wizz.... Got the app.. Has a test button... Tried to enter my recent test and it refers to an reference number that would be on text from the test service with my results. I've had 3 tests and 3 texts... And none have this referencd on them.... Its not an issue for me... Nor am I thick... But wonder if its an oversight... | |||
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"Never going to upload it. Its all about control and nothing to do with any virus. God help us all when the so called money runs out. If you are sheep, you will be easily led. Watch this space, Boris will resign, Dishy Rishy will become leader and at the next election you will all vote for Kier Starmer. By then it will be too late. Wake up people!!!!! "But will upload the fab app, the amazon app, the shopping app, Google, faceb00k, insta and so on... That's of course your right... Oh the control stop it. | |||
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"I will be surprised if it doesn't drain your battery. This is what happened in Germany, and millions just took it off their phone. I have had mine turned on since 6 am this morning, battery still showing full Of course it drains your battery because it's reporting everything you say and do to MI5, MI6, Scotland Yard, Dominic Cummings, the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, the Illuminati and Saturday Night Live. Which is such a waste because Facebook already sold them all that info." They're also heavily invested in electricity companies, who benefit from the power draining, which ramps up, once people have it downloaded and GCHQ activate full eavesdropping, once it's trusted and Smart-meters are sent an 'update' by this app | |||
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"Venue's themselves have a duty of care to their staff and customers. Having this app helps them to achieve that. More and more venues will demand qr codes as a condition for entry. So the folk who are paranoid, and won't help the population, can stay home . As an ex business owner,I'd bar them immediately. As for discrimination, it's plainly not. You'd be refused entry for being a "covidiot" "Creating an app that is data secure in months is risky. It just asking for Russia or Korea etc to hack this one massive database tracking everyone. | |||
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"Venue's themselves have a duty of care to their staff and customers. Having this app helps them to achieve that. More and more venues will demand qr codes as a condition for entry. So the folk who are paranoid, and won't help the population, can stay home . As an ex business owner,I'd bar them immediately. As for discrimination, it's plainly not. You'd be refused entry for being a "covidiot" "A person is not required by law to have a mobile phone, and it's not law to download this app.. The track and trace scheme as crap as it's been will still run alongside the app.. An honest person can still write their details or if pre booked they will be on the company's records.. I am not anti the app nor a conspiracy theorist I just wish people would look a bit more broadly.. | |||
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"Shameless BUMP . . . . . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in an inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your Phone. "So if u don't leave house, my Bluetooth is on and next doors delivery man has Covid. Then all of a sudden I would need to isolate and get a test. Just a bit bonkers to me. If you go shopping you are pretty much going to end up in isolation even if someone with covid was a good distance away. | |||
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"I’ve got to be honest, I think it’s a load of bollocks! I think it’s just another way for everyone to be checked on! The worlds gone mad!" Meh... I do think potentially, but if you have a mobile, use Google, have a smart meter, use Spotify, use faceb00k, insta, snap, an alexa, use a credit card... Youre already being monitored a ridiculous amount ...personallyi think society needs to unpick most of these invasions of privacy. That's a different matter. Right now we need to use all tools we can to try and manage the spread of this virus. In 12 months we can dismantle all the server farms and data harvested by all the snooping apps. | |||
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"Shameless BUMP . . . . . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in an inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your Phone.
So if u don't leave house, my Bluetooth is on and next doors delivery man has Covid. Then all of a sudden I would need to isolate and get a test. Just a bit bonkers to me. If you go shopping you are pretty much going to end up in isolation even if someone with covid was a good distance away. "No it won't. It works on the duration and proximity of contact. If its just a "glancing blow".... It will do nothing. If said delivery driver has covid and you stand within a meter for 15 minutes... Then yeah you may get a notification. | |||
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"Nope .. no thanks
Why?
Every 13 days you might get a message telling you to isolate for another 14 days so you could never go for a walk or see family and friends.
Its only if you have been in contact with someone for more than 15 minutes.
Its not going to tell you isolate if someone just walks past your house with it.
Are you sure. I haven't see that confirmed with regards to the Q code system.
Yes my sister lives on the Isle of Wight so was part of the trial.
Her nextdoor tested positive and she wasn't asked to self isolate.
I’m talking about the QR bar code for entering various premises. Does it only contact you if you have been in close contact, or does it tell you to self isolate because you’ve been in the same premises."The QR bar code is for your convenience when entering premises where you need to record your presence. It is your choice to use it or give your details manually. The contact tracing is automatic and records when you are in close proximity to a possibly infected person. Anyone using the app is given an anonymous ID and it is that ID which is contacted and shared. | |||
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"Venue's themselves have a duty of care to their staff and customers. Having this app helps them to achieve that. More and more venues will demand qr codes as a condition for entry. So the folk who are paranoid, and won't help the population, can stay home . As an ex business owner,I'd bar them immediately. As for discrimination, it's plainly not. You'd be refused entry for being a "covidiot"
A person is not required by law to have a mobile phone, and it's not law to download this app..
The track and trace scheme as crap as it's been will still run alongside the app..
An honest person can still write their details or if pre booked they will be on the company's records..
I am not anti the app nor a conspiracy theorist I just wish people would look a bit more broadly.."It is true, venue's can still accept people without the app. A bit silly really. Anybody who has tested positive or has been adviced to self isolate can just write a false name in the records and turn their Bluetooth off. So a risk to staff and customers. I'd like to see entry by app into all business premises a lawful requirement | |||
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"I've noticed a number of local venues I support are only allowing access after you've scanned the barcode thing. So, if you want to continue access people will have to download it. Rightly so If you don’t wanna contribute to the chance - even slim - that we rid the world of Covid, you can just stay away from social places in my opinion. It’s boring but those are the choices we make. I also believe everyone working in public facing or environments with other people should be tested and need the all clear.
You’d not fuck someone if you thought they might have an STD, why would you happily interact with random people who might have Covid?
What about people who choose not to have a mobile device?
Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc..
The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them..
"Edge case. Most people in the U.K. have mobile phones and it’s silly to suggest edge cases. Again, this is not about getting everyone on it. We all know people are paranoid freaks who won’t install it. This is about little wins. Masks.... app trace... distancing.... individually not going to fix it but together might make a dent. Anyone who isn’t willing to at least help contribute to these things is saying they want people dead. That is absolutely true. I stand by that. My Mum almost died with this. I’m sick of seeing people acting like self righteous retards regarding this virus and their own pride and tin hat bullshit. | |||
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"I've noticed a number of local venues I support are only allowing access after you've scanned the barcode thing. So, if you want to continue access people will have to download it. Rightly so If you don’t wanna contribute to the chance - even slim - that we rid the world of Covid, you can just stay away from social places in my opinion. It’s boring but those are the choices we make. I also believe everyone working in public facing or environments with other people should be tested and need the all clear.
You’d not fuck someone if you thought they might have an STD, why would you happily interact with random people who might have Covid?
What about people who choose not to have a mobile device?
Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc..
The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them..
Edge case. Most people in the U.K. have mobile phones and it’s silly to suggest edge cases.
Again, this is not about getting everyone on it. We all know people are paranoid freaks who won’t install it. This is about little wins. Masks.... app trace... distancing.... individually not going to fix it but together might make a dent. Anyone who isn’t willing to at least help contribute to these things is saying they want people dead.
That is absolutely true. I stand by that. My Mum almost died with this. I’m sick of seeing people acting like self righteous retards regarding this virus and their own pride and tin hat bullshit."Well put. Let's hope the sensible majority can get us through. | |||
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"I've noticed a number of local venues I support are only allowing access after you've scanned the barcode thing. So, if you want to continue access people will have to download it. Rightly so If you don’t wanna contribute to the chance - even slim - that we rid the world of Covid, you can just stay away from social places in my opinion. It’s boring but those are the choices we make. I also believe everyone working in public facing or environments with other people should be tested and need the all clear.
You’d not fuck someone if you thought they might have an STD, why would you happily interact with random people who might have Covid?
What about people who choose not to have a mobile device?
Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc..
The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them..
Edge case. Most people in the U.K. have mobile phones and it’s silly to suggest edge cases.
Again, this is not about getting everyone on it. We all know people are paranoid freaks who won’t install it. This is about little wins. Masks.... app trace... distancing.... individually not going to fix it but together might make a dent. Anyone who isn’t willing to at least help contribute to these things is saying they want people dead.
That is absolutely true. I stand by that. My Mum almost died with this. I’m sick of seeing people acting like self righteous retards regarding this virus and their own pride and tin hat bullshit."Nearly lost my sister, three other close family albeit two were minor have had it so I don't downplay the risk nor that we need to get on top of this.. I think one can be extremely critical as I have of government failings in dealing with this yet still look at such things as this app objectively.. I think it's a much bigger issue than just branding some with terms as you have done, issues of trust in government are in many areas.. This app will help as part of the means to get this thing sorted however that is but it's a fig leaf if track and trace and testing are still a shambles.. | |||
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"Can't afford to take time off work and be financially crippled so no, I won't be downloading it. This And then there are those you might be financially crippled because you might unknowingly pass Covid-19 on to them. But it's every man for himself right? Until you've walked a mile in my shoes, don't judge! I am self employed. If I don't work I don't get paid. I have downloaded the app. Because if somehow I got infected I would want people who have been in contact with me to get tested before they unknowingly pass it on to others. " Exactly this. | |||
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"I've noticed a number of local venues I support are only allowing access after you've scanned the barcode thing. So, if you want to continue access people will have to download it. Rightly so If you don’t wanna contribute to the chance - even slim - that we rid the world of Covid, you can just stay away from social places in my opinion. It’s boring but those are the choices we make. I also believe everyone working in public facing or environments with other people should be tested and need the all clear.
You’d not fuck someone if you thought they might have an STD, why would you happily interact with random people who might have Covid?
What about people who choose not to have a mobile device?
Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc..
The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them..
Edge case. Most people in the U.K. have mobile phones and it’s silly to suggest edge cases.
Again, this is not about getting everyone on it. We all know people are paranoid freaks who won’t install it. This is about little wins. Masks.... app trace... distancing.... individually not going to fix it but together might make a dent. Anyone who isn’t willing to at least help contribute to these things is saying they want people dead.
That is absolutely true. I stand by that. My Mum almost died with this. I’m sick of seeing people acting like self righteous retards regarding this virus and their own pride and tin hat bullshit.
Nearly lost my sister, three other close family albeit two were minor have had it so I don't downplay the risk nor that we need to get on top of this..
I think one can be extremely critical as I have of government failings in dealing with this yet still look at such things as this app objectively..
I think it's a much bigger issue than just branding some with terms as you have done, issues of trust in government are in many areas..
This app will help as part of the means to get this thing sorted however that is but it's a fig leaf if track and trace and testing are still a shambles.."Testing isn't a shambles. Its struggling. But it's still testing over 200k people a day. I agree it doesn't help. But the issue is whe tested positive, how many people then isolate.? You could argue... That there is little point in doing any testing of people dont isolate when found to be positive. Track and trace depends on people providing accurate data, responding to the messages and then isolating. Thats an individual responsibility 100 %. Doesn't matter what flavour govt you have if people want to choose to break the rules... Its their fault. | |||
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"I've noticed a number of local venues I support are only allowing access after you've scanned the barcode thing. So, if you want to continue access people will have to download it. Rightly so If you don’t wanna contribute to the chance - even slim - that we rid the world of Covid, you can just stay away from social places in my opinion. It’s boring but those are the choices we make. I also believe everyone working in public facing or environments with other people should be tested and need the all clear.
You’d not fuck someone if you thought they might have an STD, why would you happily interact with random people who might have Covid?
What about people who choose not to have a mobile device?
Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc..
The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them..
Edge case. Most people in the U.K. have mobile phones and it’s silly to suggest edge cases.
Again, this is not about getting everyone on it. We all know people are paranoid freaks who won’t install it. This is about little wins. Masks.... app trace... distancing.... individually not going to fix it but together might make a dent. Anyone who isn’t willing to at least help contribute to these things is saying they want people dead.
That is absolutely true. I stand by that. My Mum almost died with this. I’m sick of seeing people acting like self righteous retards regarding this virus and their own pride and tin hat bullshit.
Nearly lost my sister, three other close family albeit two were minor have had it so I don't downplay the risk nor that we need to get on top of this..
I think one can be extremely critical as I have of government failings in dealing with this yet still look at such things as this app objectively..
I think it's a much bigger issue than just branding some with terms as you have done, issues of trust in government are in many areas..
This app will help as part of the means to get this thing sorted however that is but it's a fig leaf if track and trace and testing are still a shambles..
Testing isn't a shambles. Its struggling. But it's still testing over 200k people a day. I agree it doesn't help. But the issue is whe tested positive, how many people then isolate.? You could argue... That there is little point in doing any testing of people dont isolate when found to be positive.
Track and trace depends on people providing accurate data, responding to the messages and then isolating. Thats an individual responsibility 100 %. Doesn't matter what flavour govt you have if people want to choose to break the rules... Its their fault. "Agree on the latter point of course but it's the reasons why they are for some part of a bigger societal issue.. In no way would I condone anyone who knowingly goes out if positive but the reasons why they might be forced to are more complex than some fuckwit who wants a pint down the pub.. | |||
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"I will be surprised if it doesn't drain your battery. This is what happened in Germany, and millions just took it off their phone. You can disable the Bluetooth contact bit. Usefully you can set a reminder to turn it back on. Disabling the Bluetooth contact makes the app completely pointless! It’s designed to pick up when you’ve been in close proximity to others with the app, so that if you or they test positive at some point then you (or they) can be contacted to self isolate. If you disable the Bluetooth function it has no way of detecting who you’ve been in contact with " I have the app. I have to disable Bluetooth when im at work and my phone is in my locker. We use social distancing at work but our lockers are together but we use the locker room on our own. So its just our phones that are together and not each other. | |||
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"Shameless BUMP . . . . . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms or has been tested and they test says that they are positive. *The Bluetooth inaccuracy problem - you can test yourself - if you have Bluetooth speaker connect and wander around your house - Bluetooth is very low power. Also Idiots may report themselves positive even if they are not, thus making 'responsible people' get tested or isolate. etc. People may genuinely mistake symptoms they have with COVID Symptoms and report false positives, again making other react in an inappropriate way. PS. The app cannot access your Contacts or use your Phone.
So if u don't leave house, my Bluetooth is on and next doors delivery man has Covid. Then all of a sudden I would need to isolate and get a test. Just a bit bonkers to me. If you go shopping you are pretty much going to end up in isolation even if someone with covid was a good distance away. "If you are within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes in a supermarket that might be classed as stalking | |||
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". . . how the Google/Apple App works. 1. It does NOT send data to ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. 2. It uses Bluetooth to detect the presence of another user of the App close by. (*this has limits see below). 3. Each user of the app is assigned a random number. 4. If one of those random numbers (users) has reported (in the app and only the app) that they have symptoms of Covid or have been diagnosed as having Covid then the App queries all other users that may have been in the presence of that user using an algorithm that counts thing like . . . Length of Time others may have been in the presence of . . . when . . . etc. 5. It then sends a Notification to all random numbers (users) that were near - date - time etc to that user. And advises that you then Isolate and look for symptoms in yourself. 6 It does NOT at any time inform a Local Health Authority or Government department. 7. The ONLY time that a Local Health Authority or Government Department can get access to knowing that a user has symptoms is when they present themselves to a Doctor or Hospital etc. 8. The VENUE Check-in Does NOT report to any ANY Public Health Authority or Government Department. It stores it on your phone which you can delete at any time. It will delete it after 21 days regardless. 9. You can turn tracking on at off at will. If you reboot your phone it will turn on automatically when you switch it back on again. It totally relies on all of us doing the 'right thing' and to isolate if the app informs you that you have been in close to proximity to a user of the app that says they have symptoms" This worries me - if Fred the Paranoid shouts too much, gets a sore throat and reports himself the day after sitting in a pub garden on the table behind me facing the other way - could I end up self-isolating for no reason? I need enough info to validate the instruction. Also the proportion of false positive tests is so high that is a concern. If I was regularly in high risk situations I would use it, but I'm not. | |||
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"I've noticed a number of local venues I support are only allowing access after you've scanned the barcode thing. So, if you want to continue access people will have to download it. Rightly so If you don’t wanna contribute to the chance - even slim - that we rid the world of Covid, you can just stay away from social places in my opinion. It’s boring but those are the choices we make. I also believe everyone working in public facing or environments with other people should be tested and need the all clear.
You’d not fuck someone if you thought they might have an STD, why would you happily interact with random people who might have Covid?
What about people who choose not to have a mobile device?
Interestingly in Singapore where their app was launched in march the take up is only 20 percent and they are now looking at a wrist worn system to trace etc..
The apps only work if the majority download them, figures are low in all the countries who already have them..
Edge case. Most people in the U.K. have mobile phones and it’s silly to suggest edge cases.
Again, this is not about getting everyone on it. We all know people are paranoid freaks who won’t install it. This is about little wins. Masks.... app trace... distancing.... individually not going to fix it but together might make a dent. Anyone who isn’t willing to at least help contribute to these things is saying they want people dead.
That is absolutely true. I stand by that. My Mum almost died with this. I’m sick of seeing people acting like self righteous retards regarding this virus and their own pride and tin hat bullshit.
Nearly lost my sister, three other close family albeit two were minor have had it so I don't downplay the risk nor that we need to get on top of this..
I think one can be extremely critical as I have of government failings in dealing with this yet still look at such things as this app objectively..
I think it's a much bigger issue than just branding some with terms as you have done, issues of trust in government are in many areas..
This app will help as part of the means to get this thing sorted however that is but it's a fig leaf if track and trace and testing are still a shambles..
Testing isn't a shambles. Its struggling. But it's still testing over 200k people a day. I agree it doesn't help. But the issue is whe tested positive, how many people then isolate.? You could argue... That there is little point in doing any testing of people dont isolate when found to be positive.
Track and trace depends on people providing accurate data, responding to the messages and then isolating. Thats an individual responsibility 100 %. Doesn't matter what flavour govt you have if people want to choose to break the rules... Its their fault.
Agree on the latter point of course but it's the reasons why they are for some part of a bigger societal issue..
In no way would I condone anyone who knowingly goes out if positive but the reasons why they might be forced to are more complex than some fuckwit who wants a pint down the pub.."There's more that unites us than divides us. So here's a suggestion then. An 'I'm choosing not to isolate because... " Button. That way we'd start to understand why people are choosing to place their rights above those of others. | |||
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"I downloaded and it said i was medium risk and i was alone in the house ,it drains your battery, and wants to take video of were you are ,...so i deleted it " Lol. It doesn't say that 'you' are Medium Risk - It says the Postcode area that you are living in is Medium Risk. | |||
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"I use a Nokia 3150 is the app compatible? "Is that the one with the winding handle on the back? | |||
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