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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?"
As soon as it spiked to over 3000 something should have been done.
We know how quickly this virus can spread so even waiting a week is probably too long..
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
As soon as it spiked to over 3000 something should have been done.
We know how quickly this virus can spread so even waiting a week is probably too long..
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I agree, measures should have been taken earlier (again) and I still don't think what's in place will be enough |
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By *essiCouple
over a year ago
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
As soon as it spiked to over 3000 something should have been done.
We know how quickly this virus can spread so even waiting a week is probably too long..
I agree, measures should have been taken earlier (again) and I still don't think what's in place will be enough"
Better let Boris know... |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
As soon as it spiked to over 3000 something should have been done.
We know how quickly this virus can spread so even waiting a week is probably too long..
I agree, measures should have been taken earlier (again) and I still don't think what's in place will be enough
Better let Boris know..."
I'll get on my special Boris hotline and tell him |
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By *essiCouple
over a year ago
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
As soon as it spiked to over 3000 something should have been done.
We know how quickly this virus can spread so even waiting a week is probably too long..
I agree, measures should have been taken earlier (again) and I still don't think what's in place will be enough
Better let Boris know...
I'll get on my special Boris hotline and tell him"
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
As soon as it spiked to over 3000 something should have been done.
We know how quickly this virus can spread so even waiting a week is probably too long..
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Especially since the infections are a lot higher today than the reported number due to the time lag  |
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over a year ago
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?"
Too little, too late. It's this government's modus operandi when dealing with Covid 19. |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
Too little, too late. It's this government's modus operandi when dealing with Covid 19."
This is why it messes up people's mental health, we are in a rubbish position, governed by idiots and aside from staying home every day there is nothing that can be done |
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Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that bad |
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that bad"
Not yet. |
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that bad"
exactly |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that badexactly "
Yes, exactly. The % of positive cases from tests in March was 25%, now it is 2.7% |
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that badexactly
Yes, exactly. The % of positive cases from tests in March was 25%, now it is 2.7%"
Bottom line though is tests have risen like mad recently based on the same level of testing |
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that badexactly
Yes, exactly. The % of positive cases from tests in March was 25%, now it is 2.7%
Bottom line though is tests have risen like mad recently based on the same level of testing"
I think you mean cases have risen but I take your point. Still if we get to 20,000 new cases a day it would still only be 9% so we are a long way from where we were in April |
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that badexactly
Yes, exactly. The % of positive cases from tests in March was 25%, now it is 2.7%
Bottom line though is tests have risen like mad recently based on the same level of testing
I think you mean cases have risen but I take your point. Still if we get to 20,000 new cases a day it would still only be 9% so we are a long way from where we were in April "
Yep I meant cases 
It's pretty irrelevant to me to be fair, we never wanted to be heading backwards which is what we are doing, hospital admissions are rising,cases are rising and people on ventilators are rising,that is seriously bad news considering we should be socially distancing,wearing masks and using better hand hygiene.
The science says cases are not rising because we are testing more,they are rising because,yet again the virus is getting out of control... |
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that badexactly
Yes, exactly. The % of positive cases from tests in March was 25%, now it is 2.7%
Bottom line though is tests have risen like mad recently based on the same level of testing
I think you mean cases have risen but I take your point. Still if we get to 20,000 new cases a day it would still only be 9% so we are a long way from where we were in April
Yep I meant cases
It's pretty irrelevant to me to be fair, we never wanted to be heading backwards which is what we are doing, hospital admissions are rising,cases are rising and people on ventilators are rising,that is seriously bad news considering we should be socially distancing,wearing masks and using better hand hygiene.
The science says cases are not rising because we are testing more,they are rising because,yet again the virus is getting out of control..."
I agree we need to be careful and follow the guidelines but still some perspective on the figures is also useful |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?"
It was too late a fortnight ago, tracking 8000 positives a day and each of their 20-30 contacts??? It’s an impossible task, the infection rate is flying up, hospitalisations will follow as will deaths sadly.
We where on 3-4 covid admissions a week 2 weeks ago, we are now averaging 7-8 a day... it’s not looking pretty. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that bad"
its comparing apples and oranges ... in spring there was strict criteria that had to be met before you qualified for testing ... so if you made it past the pre screening chances of a positive were high
now every kid sent home from nursery with a sniffle means the whole house end up tested
positive percentage as a portion of overall test is not a fair comparison
tbh the parameters for testing have changed so much that not sure any data/ metric can be fairly compared so we have to just base decision of the level we know we have now |
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By *D835Man
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that bad"
Good perspective.
It's not that bad when you compare it with April. Thing is, if we don't act now it will only get worse. |
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that bad
Good perspective.
It's not that bad when you compare it with April. Thing is, if we don't act now it will only get worse."
Totally agree we probably at the some point as maybe mid February, although we didn't know it back then. If the whole country makes an effort the infections will keep rising for a few but will eventually level off before hitting the high levels of march. My feeling is that there are still too many people who think this fake or exaggerated, or is just like "flu" , think they are invincible or are just plain lazy or selfish. I hope i am wrong and it finally sinks in to just about everyone. |
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It’s definitely not a flu.
My experience was nothing like flu.
I’m a fit 42 year old, low resting pulse, high lung function and I’m asthmatic.
Flu knocked me sideways for 24h in December, all day Saturday in bed shivering and sweating. Eventually I dragged my arse out of bed, had a cheese toastie, some red wine and a couple of whiskeys. On Sunday I was fine, pretty normal for me when it comes to flu.
Covid however had me calling the doctors. 2 courses of anti-biotics and a chest x-ray over 8 weeks. On top of that I got through both my asthma inhalers that normally last a year. The fatigue was tiring and the lack of energy/motivation was borderline depressing.
It was not nice and I don’t want it again. That said, I don’t agree with what’s going on.
It’s definitely not like flu though. |
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"It’s definitely not a flu.
My experience was nothing like flu.
I’m a fit 42 year old, low resting pulse, high lung function and I’m asthmatic.
Flu knocked me sideways for 24h in December, all day Saturday in bed shivering and sweating. Eventually I dragged my arse out of bed, had a cheese toastie, some red wine and a couple of whiskeys. On Sunday I was fine, pretty normal for me when it comes to flu.
Covid however had me calling the doctors. 2 courses of anti-biotics and a chest x-ray over 8 weeks. On top of that I got through both my asthma inhalers that normally last a year. The fatigue was tiring and the lack of energy/motivation was borderline depressing.
It was not nice and I don’t want it again. That said, I don’t agree with what’s going on.
It’s definitely not like flu though."
Sorry but I dont know what flu you had .
But I have had flu twice in my life the first one lasted a week
The second one I was bed ridden for a week and took me 2 further weeks to get over it.
I had covid in april which got scary somettimes with the breathing
But on both the occasions I had flu they were much worse than my covid experience. |
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Come on ffs. The govt have been mostly shit... But seriously anyone blaming them for the spread now needs to look in the mirror. We k ow how it spreads... We know how to stop it spreading. Yet people make choices to spread it. That isn't the govt that's us.... |
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124 students, in a, Glasgow, University have, tested positive. Is this the start of the new spread. All university towns and cities should be worried because this, is, where, social distancing will go right out of the window. It's all well and good the universities, like ours in Durham saying they have all necessary measures, in place in house but once, lessons, are finished for the day they have no control. The pubs will fill up and all the house parties will start after this new curfew at 10pm. I've just heard of one party already of over 20 students in one house. Seeing and hearing these things how does this government expect the rest of us to behave when we see this type of flouting the rules. Do they really expect everyone to follow the rules when it's obvious they are not. If we are all in this together supposedly then stricter measures are needed |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?"
It's ok. Trust in Boris. He's got our best interests at heart and DEFINITELY isn't worried about the economy of the top 1% and his image as a prime minister.. DEFINITELY.... 100%... he's DEFINITELY not a self interested twat |
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The word futile springs to my mind. 1100 Students gather in Glasgow, they are apparently all intelligent human beings that love their parents and grand parents and wouldn't want to kill them, they couldn't have had animal house type roga party's, it just wasn't possible, and yet
400 of them have caught it, apparently by mixing in their dorms, kitchens and shared areas,
I mean Nicola Sturgeon says us Scots are far superior in social distancing to the English. or perhaps it's those darn sassenachs from England that caused it soaking up all that free scottish education that they are not entitled to.
Anyway my point is it's fucking hopeless. Absolutely fucking hopeless trying to stop it spreading. What a waste of fricking money, time and effort. |
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that badexactly
Yes, exactly. The % of positive cases from tests in March was 25%, now it is 2.7%
Bottom line though is tests have risen like mad recently based on the same level of testing"
Are we doing that many test or is Boris telling us we are doing that many tests? Not the same thing.
When NHS workers stop going to work because they aren't getting tested one has to wonder. |
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"The word futile springs to my mind. 1100 Students gather in Glasgow, they are apparently all intelligent human beings that love their parents and grand parents and wouldn't want to kill them, they couldn't have had animal house type roga party's, it just wasn't possible, and yet
400 of them have caught it, apparently by mixing in their dorms, kitchens and shared areas,
I mean Nicola Sturgeon says us Scots are far superior in social distancing to the English. or perhaps it's those darn sassenachs from England that caused it soaking up all that free scottish education that they are not entitled to.
Anyway my point is it's fucking hopeless. Absolutely fucking hopeless trying to stop it spreading. What a waste of fricking money, time and effort."
Even without partying student halls of residence would be ripe for virus spread. Multiple people in fairly cramped conditions sharing kitchens, bathrooms etc. |
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Perhaps instead of being world beating and doing more tests than anyone in Europe...
We are world beaten and doing less tests than anyone in Europe.
This would be a lie that is specific and limited. And therefore not really a lie. |
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"The word futile springs to my mind. 1100 Students gather in Glasgow, they are apparently all intelligent human beings that love their parents and grand parents and wouldn't want to kill them, they couldn't have had animal house type roga party's, it just wasn't possible, and yet
400 of them have caught it, apparently by mixing in their dorms, kitchens and shared areas,
I mean Nicola Sturgeon says us Scots are far superior in social distancing to the English. or perhaps it's those darn sassenachs from England that caused it soaking up all that free scottish education that they are not entitled to.
Anyway my point is it's fucking hopeless. Absolutely fucking hopeless trying to stop it spreading. What a waste of fricking money, time and effort."
I do believe that english students are not entitled to free higher education in Scotland. 
The problem is, that we have a prime minister who is unwilling to take the measures necessary to prevent Covid from spreading out of control. Tinkering at the edges will not cut it, and he'll be forced to impose tighter restrictions within a few weeks anyway, when it's far too late. |
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"The word futile springs to my mind. 1100 Students gather in Glasgow, they are apparently all intelligent human beings that love their parents and grand parents and wouldn't want to kill them, they couldn't have had animal house type roga party's, it just wasn't possible, and yet
400 of them have caught it, apparently by mixing in their dorms, kitchens and shared areas,
I mean Nicola Sturgeon says us Scots are far superior in social distancing to the English. or perhaps it's those darn sassenachs from England that caused it soaking up all that free scottish education that they are not entitled to.
Anyway my point is it's fucking hopeless. Absolutely fucking hopeless trying to stop it spreading. What a waste of fricking money, time and effort.
I do believe that english students are not entitled to free higher education in Scotland.
The problem is, that we have a prime minister who is unwilling to take the measures necessary to prevent Covid from spreading out of control. Tinkering at the edges will not cut it, and he'll be forced to impose tighter restrictions within a few weeks anyway, when it's far too late."
We have a prime minister whose actions are determined by popularity not the good of the nation.
If he imposed the steps necessary to end this virus there would be an outcry about a "police state", "draconian" measures and totalitarian.
Apparently it is far more humane for an aged person to drown in their own fluids than for a person to be asked to stay at home unless absolutely necessary. |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?"
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There only catching about 20% of the infections, the real rate is probably more like 50,000.
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?.
There only catching about 20% of the infections, the real rate is probably more like 50,000.
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I've always thought you needed a new calculator.  |
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"The word futile springs to my mind. 1100 Students gather in Glasgow, they are apparently all intelligent human beings that love their parents and grand parents and wouldn't want to kill them, they couldn't have had animal house type roga party's, it just wasn't possible, and yet
400 of them have caught it, apparently by mixing in their dorms, kitchens and shared areas,
I mean Nicola Sturgeon says us Scots are far superior in social distancing to the English. or perhaps it's those darn sassenachs from England that caused it soaking up all that free scottish education that they are not entitled to.
Anyway my point is it's fucking hopeless. Absolutely fucking hopeless trying to stop it spreading. What a waste of fricking money, time and effort.
I do believe that english students are not entitled to free higher education in Scotland.
The problem is, that we have a prime minister who is unwilling to take the measures necessary to prevent Covid from spreading out of control. Tinkering at the edges will not cut it, and he'll be forced to impose tighter restrictions within a few weeks anyway, when it's far too late.
We have a prime minister whose actions are determined by popularity not the good of the nation.
If he imposed the steps necessary to end this virus there would be an outcry about a "police state", "draconian" measures and totalitarian.
Apparently it is far more humane for an aged person to drown in their own fluids than for a person to be asked to stay at home unless absolutely necessary. "
I'm fully aware that Johnson's actions are determined by popularity. Isn't that why they refer to him as a populist?
He should have the tenacity to impose the necessary measures whatever the reaction, and he's going to have to do so at a later date anyway.
I think he's backed off because of the reaction from the treasury and his own MPs rather than what the general public think. He wasn't too bothered about public opinion during the Cummings affair. |
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Ha ha. If he is a populist then he is probably very bad at it and should let someone else have a go.
You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?.
There only catching about 20% of the infections, the real rate is probably more like 50,000.
I've always thought you needed a new calculator. "
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That's why I never do my own vat returns |
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"The word futile springs to my mind. 1100 Students gather in Glasgow, they are apparently all intelligent human beings that love their parents and grand parents and wouldn't want to kill them, they couldn't have had animal house type roga party's, it just wasn't possible, and yet
400 of them have caught it, apparently by mixing in their dorms, kitchens and shared areas,
I mean Nicola Sturgeon says us Scots are far superior in social distancing to the English. or perhaps it's those darn sassenachs from England that caused it soaking up all that free scottish education that they are not entitled to.
Anyway my point is it's fucking hopeless. Absolutely fucking hopeless trying to stop it spreading. What a waste of fricking money, time and effort.
I do believe that english students are not entitled to free higher education in Scotland.
The problem is, that we have a prime minister who is unwilling to take the measures necessary to prevent Covid from spreading out of control. Tinkering at the edges will not cut it, and he'll be forced to impose tighter restrictions within a few weeks anyway, when it's far too late."
I know. I was being facetious about the free university, but she does hate us English with rather a passion. |
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"Ha ha. If he is a populist then he is probably very bad at it and should let someone else have a go.
You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time"
He needs to make a decision as to who he is going to be popular with and rather stick to it me thinks, rather than bending like a willow all time. I can imagine he is a bit like that bloke in the Harry Enfield Sketch that can't make his mind up what to do. |
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"Ha ha. If he is a populist then he is probably very bad at it and should let someone else have a go.
You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time"
A great quote from a great president.
Johnson is very good at thumping the podium and saying the exact opposite of what he means. Without so much as a blush.
Keir Starmer pulled him up on the fact that he told MPs track and trace and testing was a waste of time and then contradicted himself hours later. After several trips to the podium and much pontification later he still hadn't answered the question. |
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" deaths at 37
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Meanwhile (at least) 18 deaths a day from suicide
175 a day from air pollution
180 a day from coronary heart disease
Anyone running around shouting hysterically about these? Nope, thought not.
Massive NHS backlog that they will never clear, hospitals still half empty. Thousands will die from this failure. Anyone rushing around hysterically shouting about them?
Nope.
Don't believe me? Then check out the letter to the Government from 32 scientists including
Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford
Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford
Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham
Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight
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" deaths at 37
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Meanwhile (at least) 18 deaths a day from suicide
175 a day from air pollution
180 a day from coronary heart disease
Anyone running around shouting hysterically about these? Nope, thought not.
Massive NHS backlog that they will never clear, hospitals still half empty. Thousands will die from this failure. Anyone rushing around hysterically shouting about them?
Nope.
Don't believe me? Then check out the letter to the Government from 32 scientists including
Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford
Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford
Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham
Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight
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In August Covid wasn't even listed in the top ten for UK deaths. |
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" deaths at 37
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Meanwhile (at least) 18 deaths a day from suicide
175 a day from air pollution
180 a day from coronary heart disease
Anyone running around shouting hysterically about these? Nope, thought not.
Massive NHS backlog that they will never clear, hospitals still half empty. Thousands will die from this failure. Anyone rushing around hysterically shouting about them?
Nope.
Don't believe me? Then check out the letter to the Government from 32 scientists including
Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford
Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford
Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham
Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight
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At its core, this letter is basically a call for the old "shield the vulnerable and let nature take its course" narrative that is effectively another cry out for herd immunity. There are just as many scientists who oppose this proposal, and indeed the scientific community is just as split on the subject as the rest of society.
Touting this letter as proof that lockdowns are a waste of time is therefore pointless, |
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" deaths at 37
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Meanwhile (at least) 18 deaths a day from suicide
175 a day from air pollution
180 a day from coronary heart disease
Anyone running around shouting hysterically about these? Nope, thought not.
Massive NHS backlog that they will never clear, hospitals still half empty. Thousands will die from this failure. Anyone rushing around hysterically shouting about them?
Nope.
Don't believe me? Then check out the letter to the Government from 32 scientists including
Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford
Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford
Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham
Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight
In August Covid wasn't even listed in the top ten for UK deaths. "
Yet another argument which proves the effectiveness of lockdown |
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" deaths at 37
?
Meanwhile (at least) 18 deaths a day from suicide
175 a day from air pollution
180 a day from coronary heart disease
Anyone running around shouting hysterically about these? Nope, thought not.
Massive NHS backlog that they will never clear, hospitals still half empty. Thousands will die from this failure. Anyone rushing around hysterically shouting about them?
Nope.
Don't believe me? Then check out the letter to the Government from 32 scientists including
Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford
Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford
Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham
Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight
In August Covid wasn't even listed in the top ten for UK deaths.
Yet another argument which proves the effectiveness of lockdown "
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" deaths at 37
?
Meanwhile (at least) 18 deaths a day from suicide
175 a day from air pollution
180 a day from coronary heart disease
Anyone running around shouting hysterically about these? Nope, thought not.
Massive NHS backlog that they will never clear, hospitals still half empty. Thousands will die from this failure. Anyone rushing around hysterically shouting about them?
Nope.
Don't believe me? Then check out the letter to the Government from 32 scientists including
Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford
Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford
Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham
Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight
At its core, this letter is basically a call for the old "shield the vulnerable and let nature take its course" narrative that is effectively another cry out for herd immunity. There are just as many scientists who oppose this proposal, and indeed the scientific community is just as split on the subject as the rest of society.
Touting this letter as proof that lockdowns are a waste of time is therefore pointless, "
A gazillion doctors can swear on a stack of bibles to say lockdown isn't effective but I'm still going to believe the data. When exponential curves turn around and go to negligible after lockdown that's believable. |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?"
Even at 6000 tragic though it is this only represents 0.0009% of the UK population, the chances of contracting C19 are 1 in 40,000,000 and if you are unfortunate enough to contract it the death rate is 1 in 2,000,000 so while we do need to take action a targeted response is more sensible. Also unless the schools, colleges and Unis are closed this is probably futile |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
Even at 6000 tragic though it is this only represents 0.0009% of the UK population, the chances of contracting C19 are 1 in 40,000,000 and if you are unfortunate enough to contract it the death rate is 1 in 2,000,000 so while we do need to take action a targeted response is more sensible. Also unless the schools, colleges and Unis are closed this is probably futile "
Did you think about those statistics before you posted them?
If you are going to make up statistics can you at least try and make them realistic? |
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" deaths at 37
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Meanwhile (at least) 18 deaths a day from suicide
175 a day from air pollution
180 a day from coronary heart disease
Anyone running around shouting hysterically about these? Nope, thought not.
Massive NHS backlog that they will never clear, hospitals still half empty. Thousands will die from this failure. Anyone rushing around hysterically shouting about them?
Nope.
Don't believe me? Then check out the letter to the Government from 32 scientists including
Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford
Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford
Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham
Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight
In August Covid wasn't even listed in the top ten for UK deaths.
Yet another argument which proves the effectiveness of lockdown "
Lockdown was lifted at the start of July. The lag from this stretched into August resulting in a low number of deaths. More proof lockdown doesn't work.
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
Even at 6000 tragic though it is this only represents 0.0009% of the UK population, the chances of contracting C19 are 1 in 40,000,000 and if you are unfortunate enough to contract it the death rate is 1 in 2,000,000 so while we do need to take action a targeted response is more sensible. Also unless the schools, colleges and Unis are closed this is probably futile
Did you think about those statistics before you posted them?
If you are going to make up statistics can you at least try and make them realistic? "
They are realistic, they were harvested from the BMJ this morning |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
Even at 6000 tragic though it is this only represents 0.0009% of the UK population, the chances of contracting C19 are 1 in 40,000,000 and if you are unfortunate enough to contract it the death rate is 1 in 2,000,000 so while we do need to take action a targeted response is more sensible. Also unless the schools, colleges and Unis are closed this is probably futile
Did you think about those statistics before you posted them?
If you are going to make up statistics can you at least try and make them realistic?
They are realistic, they were harvested from the BMJ this morning "
We have a death rate of 626.26 per million. Therefore for that 40 million you quoted you have 25 050 deaths, never mind a 2 millionth of that. |
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Worldomerters currently shows a 4% CFR. This means for every 100 cases reported 96 go home cured and 4 die.
Mortality rate can only be determined one a contagion is over.
CFR and Mortality Rate cannot be used interchangeably. |
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"Come on ffs. The govt have been mostly shit... But seriously anyone blaming them for the spread now needs to look in the mirror. We k ow how it spreads... We know how to stop it spreading. Yet people make choices to spread it. That isn't the govt that's us.... "
yep def wasnt the government that encouraged everyone to go out and drink alcohol, eat out, go back to the office etc... dont let that bunch of incompetant self serving bunch of elitist twats tell you its our fault. if nothing else that tells you a great deal about a government that has no control or managemnt skills, and isnt that there main job? we were all (mostly) on board at the start, but how can we now with all the absolute bollocks and fuckups that they come up with every day? even a lot of tory supporters think theyre absolutly useless. to be fair there should be mass legal action against the government to compensate for loss of lives and livelihoods. im not saying it all could have been prevented but it should be nowhere near the levels of catastrophy we are in and are headed towards. and it is absolutly despicable of johnson to attempt to lay blame on the british public, but yet we suck it up and carry on attacking each other...what is our fault is voting for these fucktards in the first place, whats that quote about getting the government we deserve? |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
Even at 6000 tragic though it is this only represents 0.0009% of the UK population, the chances of contracting C19 are 1 in 40,000,000 and if you are unfortunate enough to contract it the death rate is 1 in 2,000,000 so while we do need to take action a targeted response is more sensible. Also unless the schools, colleges and Unis are closed this is probably futile "
As well as providing wildly inaccurate figures, you also seem to be unaware of exponential growth.
6000 today will not be 6000 next week. |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?"
More needs to be done in the meantime stay away from strangers  |
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"Worldomerters currently shows a 4% CFR. This means for every 100 cases reported 96 go home cured and 4 die.
Mortality rate can only be determined one a contagion is over.
CFR and Mortality Rate cannot be used interchangeably. "
IFR is the best measure but darned difficult to measure. |
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"Worldomerters currently shows a 4% CFR. This means for every 100 cases reported 96 go home cured and 4 die.
Mortality rate can only be determined one a contagion is over.
CFR and Mortality Rate cannot be used interchangeably.
IFR is the best measure but darned difficult to measure."
True. IFR requires widespread testing. On one hand we have Boris saying our tests are world beating and we're doing more tests than anyone else and then we have a thread of people saying they can't get a test for love nor money. And some saying they need to drive 70 miles to get a test... |
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Using a UK population of 68 million and a highly dubious 41 thousand Covid-19 casualties this means that 1 person in every 1658 in the UK has died from Covid-19. |
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"Using a UK population of 68 million and a highly dubious 41 thousand Covid-19 casualties this means that 1 person in every 1658 in the UK has died from Covid-19. "
Dubious is open to interpretation both ways, if we were recording everything (ie c19 present but nit the cause of death) then it’s much lower than the 41k if not then it’s a complete unknown. What I would say is this isn’t the first time this has happened and we survived with out the lockdowns, without the police state that is being introduced by stealth and without social media, which has only served to terrorise the masses |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
Even at 6000 tragic though it is this only represents 0.0009% of the UK population, the chances of contracting C19 are 1 in 40,000,000 and if you are unfortunate enough to contract it the death rate is 1 in 2,000,000 so while we do need to take action a targeted response is more sensible. Also unless the schools, colleges and Unis are closed this is probably futile
As well as providing wildly inaccurate figures, you also seem to be unaware of exponential growth.
6000 today will not be 6000 next week."
A projection scattered with the words, could, may, possibly etc. Nit saying it isn’t possible but it could also be wildly over stated to get the country to sleep walk into a police state, which I believe was the whole point to getting Witty and Valance to warm the public up!! Btw these are the same to guys who at the start were pushing fir herd immunity |
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
Even at 6000 tragic though it is this only represents 0.0009% of the UK population, the chances of contracting C19 are 1 in 40,000,000 and if you are unfortunate enough to contract it the death rate is 1 in 2,000,000 so while we do need to take action a targeted response is more sensible. Also unless the schools, colleges and Unis are closed this is probably futile
As well as providing wildly inaccurate figures, you also seem to be unaware of exponential growth.
6000 today will not be 6000 next week.
A projection scattered with the words, could, may, possibly etc. Nit saying it isn’t possible but it could also be wildly over stated to get the country to sleep walk into a police state, which I believe was the whole point to getting Witty and Valance to warm the public up!! Btw these are the same to guys who at the start were pushing fir herd immunity "
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"Infections over 6000 and deaths at 37
Have we left it too late yet again and does more need to be done!?
Even at 6000 tragic though it is this only represents 0.0009% of the UK population, the chances of contracting C19 are 1 in 40,000,000 and if you are unfortunate enough to contract it the death rate is 1 in 2,000,000 so while we do need to take action a targeted response is more sensible. Also unless the schools, colleges and Unis are closed this is probably futile
As well as providing wildly inaccurate figures, you also seem to be unaware of exponential growth.
6000 today will not be 6000 next week.
A projection scattered with the words, could, may, possibly etc. Nit saying it isn’t possible but it could also be wildly over stated to get the country to sleep walk into a police state, which I believe was the whole point to getting Witty and Valance to warm the public up!! Btw these are the same to guys who at the start were pushing fir herd immunity "
Johnson is a libertarian, which is why he was a proponent of herd immunity initially, until it was pointed out how many deaths this policy could lead to.
He is obviously after more centralised control and less parliamentary scrutiny, but a police state would be an anathema to him. |
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"Let’s put it in to perspective
Back in April we were having 5000 positive tests per day against 20,000 tests occurring in clinical settings.
These were all people who were that ill they were in hospital.
Nobody knows how many people per day were contracting Covid back in March and April, but the experts recon it was extremely high. That’s why yesterday they state they estimate 8% of the population have had Covid (5.5 million out of 66.5 million).
Now we are doing over 200,000 tests per day with 6000 positive. These numbers cannot be compared to the numbers from the spring.
It’s not that bad"
This - if you look at imperial college figs who have been pretty good so far saying 100k a day In March April becoming positive |
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I could well believe we are doing 200 000 tests a day until Boris said it. Now I find it questionable.
Now I'm more inclined to believe people on the other thread who said they can't get a test booked.
The problem with all this testing being done and still having a rise in infections is that it means one of two things.
Either we aren't getting 200 000 tests OR people who know or suspect they are infected are not self isolating.
I find it hard to believe there are that many asymptomatic superspreaders around. |
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As I said yesterday on a different thread
Letting the virus go would be immoral, so the government are pinning all hope on the fast-tracked Oxford vaccine being ready in 2021(ish)
Otherwise it’s the long road to herd immunity in a controlled manner to protect the nhs.
So far we are at 8% of the population, so it could be a while.
Happy days eh
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Letting the virus go would be immoral, so the government are pinning all hope on the fast-tracked Oxford vaccine being ready in 2021(ish)
Otherwise it’s the long road to herd immunity in a controlled manner to protect the nhs.
So far we are at 8% of the population, so it could be a while.
Happy days eh
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Have you done any research on the Oxford vaccine?
Also worth a read is progress on the Pfizer vaccine which might even be out before Chaddox. |
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"I could well believe we are doing 200 000 tests a day until Boris said it. Now I find it questionable.
Now I'm more inclined to believe people on the other thread who said they can't get a test booked.
The problem with all this testing being done and still having a rise in infections is that it means one of two things.
Either we aren't getting 200 000 tests OR people who know or suspect they are infected are not self isolating.
I find it hard to believe there are that many asymptomatic superspreaders around."
Unfortunately, problems getting access to tests, followed by delays in getting results, means that people who are in the infectious pre-symptomatic stage are placed in the position of not knowing, whilst spreading it, as well as not having their contacts traced, who would also have an imposed pre-symptomatic, but infectious, period imposed on to others they are in contact with.
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"I could well believe we are doing 200 000 tests a day until Boris said it. Now I find it questionable.
Now I'm more inclined to believe people on the other thread who said they can't get a test booked.
The problem with all this testing being done and still having a rise in infections is that it means one of two things.
Either we aren't getting 200 000 tests OR people who know or suspect they are infected are not self isolating.
I find it hard to believe there are that many asymptomatic superspreaders around.
Unfortunately, problems getting access to tests, followed by delays in getting results, means that people who are in the infectious pre-symptomatic stage are placed in the position of not knowing, whilst spreading it, as well as not having their contacts traced, who would also have an imposed pre-symptomatic, but infectious, period imposed on to others they are in contact with.
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That makes a lot of sense. Thank you |
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