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Before the Pandemic I would never have believed . . .
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over a year ago
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"peoples ability to make up absolute nonsense and then bang-it-to-death-like it was the last f*ck on Earth!
It really is quite astonishing. "
Totally agree. Some of it I think is born of fear and them desperately trying to find a reason that they think is more within their control than a virus that they are powerless against. However a lot of it is trolls and people that are already predisposed to be anti authority regardless of what's being asked. As for some of the "science" they are using its farcical. If they actually understood the field they are commenting on, they would realise how insane they sound. But alas, they love to think they have found the "truth" that the rest of us had missed.  |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"peoples ability to make up absolute nonsense and then bang-it-to-death-like it was the last f*ck on Earth!
It really is quite astonishing.
Totally agree. Some of it I think is born of fear and them desperately trying to find a reason that they think is more within their control than a virus that they are powerless against. However a lot of it is trolls and people that are already predisposed to be anti authority regardless of what's being asked. As for some of the "science" they are using its farcical. If they actually understood the field they are commenting on, they would realise how insane they sound. But alas, they love to think they have found the "truth" that the rest of us had missed. "
Nicely said.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Science is science however policy is built on modelling which certainly isn’t science and is open to questioning."
Based on studies over many years so would be as accurate as it can be. All designed to avoid 0.5million deaths |
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"Science is science however policy is built on modelling which certainly isn’t science and is open to questioning.
Based on studies over many years so would be as accurate as it can be. All designed to avoid 0.5million deaths "
And it’s that very imperial college modelling that predicted 500,000 deaths that is questionable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Science is science however policy is built on modelling which certainly isn’t science and is open to questioning.
Based on studies over many years so would be as accurate as it can be. All designed to avoid 0.5million deaths
And it’s that very imperial college modelling that predicted 500,000 deaths that is questionable."
The same one that predicted almost 100,000 deaths for Sweden when they didn't lockdown the facts are there was less then 6000.
Oh and they are now seeing no rise in Swedens infection rate unlike their neighbours Denmark who did lockdown.
I'll take facts over opinions anytime.
Watch this video below if you want to see a lot of the actual data out there reviewed and not just baseless theory and modeling.
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
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"Science is science however policy is built on modelling which certainly isn’t science and is open to questioning.
Based on studies over many years so would be as accurate as it can be. All designed to avoid 0.5million deaths
And it’s that very imperial college modelling that predicted 500,000 deaths that is questionable.
The same one that predicted almost 100,000 deaths for Sweden when they didn't lockdown the facts are there was less then 6000.
Oh and they are now seeing no rise in Swedens infection rate unlike their neighbours Denmark who did lockdown.
I'll take facts over opinions anytime.
Watch this video below if you want to see a lot of the actual data out there reviewed and not just baseless theory and modeling.
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
KJ"
There is a very big hole in that whole thing, we are not Sweden. So what worked for them, probably won't work for us. Due to size of the country, mindset of the people and also population spread can change things dramatically. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"peoples ability to make up absolute nonsense and then bang-it-to-death-like it was the last f*ck on Earth!
It really is quite astonishing. "
theres always been plenty of bullshit artists about.probably noticing it more now as its about something that could directly affect you |
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"peoples ability to make up absolute nonsense and then bang-it-to-death-like it was the last f*ck on Earth!
It really is quite astonishing.
Totally agree. Some of it I think is born of fear and them desperately trying to find a reason that they think is more within their control than a virus that they are powerless against. However a lot of it is trolls and people that are already predisposed to be anti authority regardless of what's being asked. As for some of the "science" they are using its farcical. If they actually understood the field they are commenting on, they would realise how insane they sound. But alas, they love to think they have found the "truth" that the rest of us had missed. "
Spot on assessment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Science is science however policy is built on modelling which certainly isn’t science and is open to questioning.
Based on studies over many years so would be as accurate as it can be. All designed to avoid 0.5million deaths
And it’s that very imperial college modelling that predicted 500,000 deaths that is questionable.
The same one that predicted almost 100,000 deaths for Sweden when they didn't lockdown the facts are there was less then 6000.
Oh and they are now seeing no rise in Swedens infection rate unlike their neighbours Denmark who did lockdown.
I'll take facts over opinions anytime.
Watch this video below if you want to see a lot of the actual data out there reviewed and not just baseless theory and modeling.
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
KJ
There is a very big hole in that whole thing, we are not Sweden. So what worked for them, probably won't work for us. Due to size of the country, mindset of the people and also population spread can change things dramatically. "
Did it work for Sweden? They had more covid fatalities than all their neighbours combined. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"peoples ability to make up absolute nonsense and then bang-it-to-death-like it was the last f*ck on Earth!
It really is quite astonishing.
Totally agree. Some of it I think is born of fear and them desperately trying to find a reason that they think is more within their control than a virus that they are powerless against. However a lot of it is trolls and people that are already predisposed to be anti authority regardless of what's being asked. As for some of the "science" they are using its farcical. If they actually understood the field they are commenting on, they would realise how insane they sound. But alas, they love to think they have found the "truth" that the rest of us had missed. "
Well said , this post sums it up and could be posted to most forum threads at the moment |
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"Science is science however policy is built on modelling which certainly isn’t science and is open to questioning.
Based on studies over many years so would be as accurate as it can be. All designed to avoid 0.5million deaths
And it’s that very imperial college modelling that predicted 500,000 deaths that is questionable."
41,000 covid deaths. 7% of population have had covid which is about 1/10th of the number required for her immunity. Let it run it's course and you get 410,000 deaths. That's a not a bad estimate especially when more recent deaths have been reduced due to alternative methods of treatment. Also, we really don't know the exact covid deaths but excess deaths push the figure higher than 41k. |
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"Science is science however policy is built on modelling which certainly isn’t science and is open to questioning.
Based on studies over many years so would be as accurate as it can be. All designed to avoid 0.5million deaths
And it’s that very imperial college modelling that predicted 500,000 deaths that is questionable.
41,000 covid deaths. 7% of population have had covid which is about 1/10th of the number required for her immunity. Let it run it's course and you get 410,000 deaths. That's a not a bad estimate especially when more recent deaths have been reduced due to alternative methods of treatment. Also, we really don't know the exact covid deaths but excess deaths push the figure higher than 41k."
Finally, someone else who understands the “model” is just very basic maths and results in a very large number |
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"peoples ability to make up absolute nonsense and then bang-it-to-death-like it was the last f*ck on Earth!
It really is quite astonishing. "
Before the pandemic? Looks like you slept in - for years. LOL |
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"peoples ability to make up absolute nonsense and then bang-it-to-death-like it was the last f*ck on Earth!
It really is quite astonishing.
Before the pandemic? Looks like you slept in - for years. LOL"
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"Science is science however policy is built on modelling which certainly isn’t science and is open to questioning.
Based on studies over many years so would be as accurate as it can be. All designed to avoid 0.5million deaths
And it’s that very imperial college modelling that predicted 500,000 deaths that is questionable.
The same one that predicted almost 100,000 deaths for Sweden when they didn't lockdown the facts are there was less then 6000.
Oh and they are now seeing no rise in Swedens infection rate unlike their neighbours Denmark who did lockdown.
I'll take facts over opinions anytime.
Watch this video below if you want to see a lot of the actual data out there reviewed and not just baseless theory and modeling.
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
KJ
There is a very big hole in that whole thing, we are not Sweden. So what worked for them, probably won't work for us. Due to size of the country, mindset of the people and also population spread can change things dramatically. "
Good point, Sweden may well have fared better, however they're community behaviour is very different from ours.
Although they didn't lock down they still put voluntary social distancing measures in place which the population adhered to, largely without question. Try that here and see what happens. |
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"Science is science however policy is built on modelling which certainly isn’t science and is open to questioning.
Based on studies over many years so would be as accurate as it can be. All designed to avoid 0.5million deaths
And it’s that very imperial college modelling that predicted 500,000 deaths that is questionable.
The same one that predicted almost 100,000 deaths for Sweden when they didn't lockdown the facts are there was less then 6000.
Oh and they are now seeing no rise in Swedens infection rate unlike their neighbours Denmark who did lockdown.
I'll take facts over opinions anytime.
Watch this video below if you want to see a lot of the actual data out there reviewed and not just baseless theory and modeling.
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
KJ"
The op is right |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"peoples ability to make up absolute nonsense and then bang-it-to-death-like it was the last f*ck on Earth!
It really is quite astonishing.
Before the pandemic? Looks like you slept in - for years. LOL"
Yea. You are right. Maybe I was just a lot more patient then.   |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Whereas I am surprised the length that people will go to full on Pravda to try and make a point........
It’s like state media trying to prove people wrong.......
P.s notice it’s only the countries that dealt with the virus badly that harp on about Sweden....
Now if we treated it seriously like Japan, or South Korea or New Zealand..... hmmmmmmmm |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whereas I am surprised the length that people will go to full on Pravda to try and make a point........
It’s like state media trying to prove people wrong.......
P.s notice it’s only the countries that dealt with the virus badly that harp on about Sweden....
Now if we treated it seriously like Japan, or South Korea or New Zealand..... hmmmmmmmm"
This is like pulling teeth. I’m talking about the modelling. The only reason Sweden comes into it is because Sweden is the one country that rejected the imperial college modelling and their figures provide evidence that the imperial college modelling is questionable to say the least.
Other modellers had warned imperial, notably Oxford university, that their modelling appeared to be out by around 10 fold. The Sweden figures seem to support oxfords analysis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whereas I am surprised the length that people will go to full on Pravda to try and make a point........
It’s like state media trying to prove people wrong.......
P.s notice it’s only the countries that dealt with the virus badly that harp on about Sweden....
Now if we treated it seriously like Japan, or South Korea or New Zealand..... hmmmmmmmm
This is like pulling teeth. I’m talking about the modelling. The only reason Sweden comes into it is because Sweden is the one country that rejected the imperial college modelling and their figures provide evidence that the imperial college modelling is questionable to say the least.
Other modellers had warned imperial, notably Oxford university, that their modelling appeared to be out by around 10 fold. The Sweden figures seem to support oxfords analysis."
Did the model take into account that people might self isolate? Because it is well documented that many Swedes had the good sense to social distance without needing it to be passed in to law. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is a bit like science saying if you get caught in a thunderstorm you'll get wet.
In walks someone with a brolly and a raincoat who is perfectly dry leading us to conclude that rain does not in fact make one wet and the scientists were wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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From a report discussing the Covid situation in Sweden.
"Most of the changes involved voluntary actions by citizens, rather than rules imposed by the government.
This trust given to the population to shoulder personal responsibility in the pandemic puts Sweden at odds with most other countries that used coercive measures such as fines to force compliance.
This is often attributed to a Swedish model of governance, where large public authorities comprised of experts develop and recommend measures that the smaller ministries are expected to follow. In other words, the people trust the experts and scientists to develop reasonable policies, and the government trusts the people to follow the guidelines.
Swedes were asked to work from home when possible and maintain a social distance, and most willingly complied. While people now ride public transportation without masks, there are also far fewer people commuting than before."
Also in this report references to certain restrictions that were in place but are never mentioned. Gatherings were capped at 50 and congregating in bars was banned.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whereas I am surprised the length that people will go to full on Pravda to try and make a point........
It’s like state media trying to prove people wrong.......
P.s notice it’s only the countries that dealt with the virus badly that harp on about Sweden....
Now if we treated it seriously like Japan, or South Korea or New Zealand..... hmmmmmmmm
This is like pulling teeth. I’m talking about the modelling. The only reason Sweden comes into it is because Sweden is the one country that rejected the imperial college modelling and their figures provide evidence that the imperial college modelling is questionable to say the least.
Other modellers had warned imperial, notably Oxford university, that their modelling appeared to be out by around 10 fold. The Sweden figures seem to support oxfords analysis.
Did the model take into account that people might self isolate? Because it is well documented that many Swedes had the good sense to social distance without needing it to be passed in to law."
The modelling predicted 96,000 deaths with no mitigation. It predicted 15% less if the did their current policy and a 50% reduction if they did a full European style lockdown.
Their current figures seem to reflect the Oxford modelling not the imperial college modelling.
Next year’s boat race should be a cracker. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whereas I am surprised the length that people will go to full on Pravda to try and make a point........
It’s like state media trying to prove people wrong.......
P.s notice it’s only the countries that dealt with the virus badly that harp on about Sweden....
Now if we treated it seriously like Japan, or South Korea or New Zealand..... hmmmmmmmm
This is like pulling teeth. I’m talking about the modelling. The only reason Sweden comes into it is because Sweden is the one country that rejected the imperial college modelling and their figures provide evidence that the imperial college modelling is questionable to say the least.
Other modellers had warned imperial, notably Oxford university, that their modelling appeared to be out by around 10 fold. The Sweden figures seem to support oxfords analysis."
the Imperial model was called out as utter pants by lots of other modellers right from the get go, the guy has a history as long as your arm of getting this modelling completely skewed, if it was a mistake you'd expect his old past models to be wrong both ways but it's only ever skewed towards Doom and disaster, probably his un-conscious bias |
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