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Is it the right thing if we go back into lockdown

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

There are more and more people getting diagnosed with the virus now and this is to be expected since things have slowly been getting back to normal or do we know that more people have the virus now because more tests are being done?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There are more and more people getting diagnosed with the virus now and this is to be expected since things have slowly been getting back to normal or do we know that more people have the virus now because more tests are being done?"

Diagnosed using what test?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Diagnosed using what test? "

What?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Looks like it probably will be and last time we learned that we did it too late. Use what we know and have learned.

Patchwork partial measures aren't cutting it, so the full deal is probably needed.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Who knows?

What I do know is that lots of people won't adhere to it if we do. From what I've seen many can't stick to hands, face, space, especially space. It's unlikely they'll stick to tighter regulations.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If they said right from 8am tomorrow, lockdown. But saying well in 8 days we might be going back to lockdown, people think fuck it , its not important...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who knows?

What I do know is that lots of people won't adhere to it if we do. From what I've seen many can't stick to hands, face, space, especially space. It's unlikely they'll stick to tighter regulations. "

I'm increasingly of the thinking that the only way forward is to restart shielding.

This would affect our lives greatly but I don't see a way out this other than herd immunity, having said that if that happens the rest of society have a duty to stick to the rules so that people like me dont have to make that sacrifice for any longer than necessary.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

You could Lockdown for a year but Covid will still be there , need to make sure those that are most at risk are looked after

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan over a year ago

Southern England

People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Simple answer - no.

Lockdowns don't solve the problem.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Simple answer - no.

Lockdowns don't solve the problem."

A PROPPER lockdown most certainly would solve the problem, but it would need to be literally "nobody leaves their house for a month", which is obviously unworkable.

If you look at the infection figures, the graph shows how the number of new infections dropped massively a few days after the lockdown started. It would have been even more effective if the borders had been completely closed.

Unfortunately, we will always need that collection of "key workers" to keep the country running, and as long as those people are moving around, there are holes in any "lockdown".

Cal

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By *ust_A_Tease_To_PleaseWoman over a year ago

South Wales: Newport, Chepstow

Lockdown was never about "solving the problem" and would never stop a virus totally.

It's designed to keep infection rates at a level the health services can cope with while we work towards herd immunity. The idea of lockdown is to save lives by flattening the rate of infection and ensure the NHS are not overwhelmed.

The last pandemic was the Spanish Flu in 1918, which took four waves and over two years to finally work through enough of society to burn itself out. We haven't learned from that pandemic and are making a lot of the same mistakes, including not taking lockdown seriously.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A true lockdown would be nobody leaving their house or country for two weeks and the virus should disapeer as it wouldn't be able to live without a host.

As soon as a select few people in our case key workers go outside that's it, it cannot work. The only option is to have carnage for two weeks and everyone stay at home which people would refuse to do anyway or herd immunity and just accept that it's now part of life and get on with it.

I personally think we should ditch the masks and distancing and just get on with life as normal and whatever happens happens.

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By *ancs MinxWoman over a year ago

Burnley

"A true lockdown would be nobody leaving their house or country for two weeks and the virus should disapeer as it wouldn't be able to live without a host.

I personally think we should ditch the masks and distancing and just get on with life as normal and whatever happens happens."

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By *ust_A_Tease_To_PleaseWoman over a year ago

South Wales: Newport, Chepstow

" I personally think we should ditch the masks and distancing and just get on with life as normal and whatever happens happens."

As someone who is shielding, I'd prefer it if you accepted a few minor inconveniences to help reduce the spread, which will help save the lives of vulnerable people.

It's similar to the idea of 'don't drink and drive,' a minor inconvenience to your fun to reduce the risk you pose to others.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I personally think we should ditch the masks and distancing and just get on with life as normal and whatever happens happens.

As someone who is shielding, I'd prefer it if you accepted a few minor inconveniences to help reduce the spread, which will help save the lives of vulnerable people.

It's similar to the idea of 'don't drink and drive,' a minor inconvenience to your fun to reduce the risk you pose to others."

If it's really as bad and infectious as the media says (which it is not) then you will get it shielding or not? There's risks everyday people have to take, I could fall over and die shall I just stay in bed all day?

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By *ust_A_Tease_To_PleaseWoman over a year ago

South Wales: Newport, Chepstow

" I personally think we should ditch the masks and distancing and just get on with life as normal and whatever happens happens.

As someone who is shielding, I'd prefer it if you accepted a few minor inconveniences to help reduce the spread, which will help save the lives of vulnerable people.

It's similar to the idea of 'don't drink and drive,' a minor inconvenience to your fun to reduce the risk you pose to others.

The longer it takes to catch it, the more medical knowledge and experience there will be.

Yes, there is a lot of value in lockdown, taking basic precautions and slowing the rates of infections for everyone.

It's not about removing risk, it's about reducing it.

And yes, everything is a risk. But you still put on a seat belt when driving. Lockdown, social distancing, and all these rules are about reducing the rates of infection and protecting others.

So, for those who do try to stick to the rules - thank you! It does matter.

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By *en_Dover79Man over a year ago

Oswaldtwistle

just shut the pubs that will help... pissed up knobheads and badly run pubs are the problem

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I personally think we should ditch the masks and distancing and just get on with life as normal and whatever happens happens.

As someone who is shielding, I'd prefer it if you accepted a few minor inconveniences to help reduce the spread, which will help save the lives of vulnerable people.

It's similar to the idea of 'don't drink and drive,' a minor inconvenience to your fun to reduce the risk you pose to others.

The longer it takes to catch it, the more medical knowledge and experience there will be.

Yes, there is a lot of value in lockdown, taking basic precautions and slowing the rates of infections for everyone.

It's not about removing risk, it's about reducing it.

And yes, everything is a risk. But you still put on a seat belt when driving. Lockdown, social distancing, and all these rules are about reducing the rates of infection and protecting others.

So, for those who do try to stick to the rules - thank you! It does matter."

Those who are shielding are classed as very high risk if I'm correct? Now if your very high risk in terms of covid then your very high risk in terms of other similar viruses and diseases which go around all year every year? So being on a swinging site kind of spoils your argument?

If I was that high risk I wouldn't be meeting anyone I didn't know for sex whether covid was a thing or not.

Not having a go just my perspective

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How long is this new lockdown going to last. All a lockdown does is push it back. We aren't even in October yet. A lockdown now of two weeks means you are going to lift it in the height of autumn with winter still to come.

As Carl Heneghan suggested to the commons select committee on Thursday. A better way would be to reduce the cycles of the PCR test so you are only picking up those who are infected and infectious and concentrate on isolating those and their close contacts, instead of the current test that is picking up people who were infected up to three months ago and are no longer infectious.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

If we'd scaled up testing and tracing capacity, paying people who were notified to quarantine, we'd have limited the issue of infection increases to a great extent. As soon as world beating or a collection of businesses with no or very limited relevant experience, take over some of the NHS work, typically without tendering, it goes wrong.

The worst government move for public trust and confidence was not sacking Cummings. They should now make this a cross-party management job, with devolved nations fully involved, to restore some public faith. Johnson hasn't spoken with Sturgeon etc for months, to any relevant extent. This shouldn't be about politics but they are making it so. I'd prefer to see the leaders say what they have all worked on and agreed to.

If we don't rebuild public trust, it's going to be harder, worse and more costly in every sense.

We know the level of success from the various lockdown type measures we've had - the original and the regional. We also understand the costs of delaying lockdown when infections are rising. I'm very inclined to think we should lockdown as before quickly, potentially lowering the requirements for test volumes as people interact less, as experience is showing that autumn and winter is going to be much worse, with our current lifestyles.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How long is this new lockdown going to last. All a lockdown does is push it back. We aren't even in October yet. A lockdown now of two weeks means you are going to lift it in the height of autumn with winter still to come.

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By *ourPlay2020Couple over a year ago

Evesham

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it. "

Exactly this. If I thought a lockdown would eradicate the virus I would be all for it, but it won't, so the lockdowns are pointless. All you're doing is kicking the can down the road and racking up a whole lot of other problems in the process.

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By *ancs MinxWoman over a year ago

Burnley

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By *ancs MinxWoman over a year ago

Burnley

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it.

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

"Lockdown was never about "solving the problem" and would never stop a virus totally.

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By *ady LickWoman over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it.

Agreed, it'll just pause things for how ever long the lockdown is on for. Like it did last time.

Boris is addressing the UK again on Tuesday I've just read so well find out then.

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By *oddyWoman over a year ago

between havant and chichester

I haven't been allowed out of the first lockdown surgery won't let me not moaning least I'm being cared for

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown."

However if you expect a large portion of the population to shield and make great sacrifices so you and your family can go to work and the pub you have evern greater responsibility to follow all the rules.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The most densely populates city in the UK, London hasn't went in to lockdown because there's not been a rise there.. Right!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

You really weaken your point when you make unfounded accusations. He never mentioned going to the pub.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

You really weaken your point when you make unfounded accusations. He never mentioned going to the pub."

If you read it without trying to find fault

It was hypothetical.

You really weaken your argument when you nitpick.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have localised lockdowns in areas where the rate of infections is high.

To be honest a lockdown will make absolutely no difference to my life so whatever is decided, my life will continue as it always has.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

WORK not fucking pub ffs.

Honestly this forum sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

WORK not fucking pub ffs.

Honestly this forum sometimes."

Again I didn't it literally!

And what about my work and my family?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

You really weaken your point when you make unfounded accusations. He never mentioned going to the pub.

If you read it without trying to find fault

It was hypothetical.

You really weaken your argument when you nitpick. "

Maybe don't quote someone if you don't mean your comment to be about them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

WORK not fucking pub ffs.

Honestly this forum sometimes.

Again I didn't it literally!

And what about my work and my family?

I love how people just find fault and wash over all the valid points.

Honestly these forums sometimes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

You really weaken your point when you make unfounded accusations. He never mentioned going to the pub.

If you read it without trying to find fault

It was hypothetical.

You really weaken your argument when you nitpick.

Maybe don't quote someone if you don't mean your comment to be about them."

Maybe don't find fault when it's not there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

WORK not fucking pub ffs.

Honestly this forum sometimes.

Again I didn't it literally!

And what about my work and my family?

I didn't say you shouldn't be looked after financially.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

WORK not fucking pub ffs.

Honestly this forum sometimes.

Again I didn't it literally!

And what about my work and my family?

I didn't say you shouldn't be looked after financially. "

Don't think the government will pick up the bill for salaries this time but a lockdown might flatten the peak in transmission.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Looks like it probably will be and last time we learned that we did it too late. Use what we know and have learned.

Patchwork partial measures aren't cutting it, so the full deal is probably needed. "

We don't want it too soon either. It is possible a mutation to a less severe infection, hence advisable to watch hospital admissions. Hopefully still a decent lag between hospital admission and icu admission. Giving the powers that be time to monitor, NOT just case numbers.

Hoping for a less severe disease is not scientific, but we do have treatments that work (for some).

I know watching and waiting for the appropriate time, but my worry would be in the govt is competent WHEN to make the RIGHT call.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

WORK not fucking pub ffs.

Honestly this forum sometimes.

Again I didn't it literally!

And what about my work and my family?

I didn't say you shouldn't be looked after financially.

Don't think the government will pick up the bill for salaries this time but a lockdown might flatten the peak in transmission."

Like I said as a family we cant afford another lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it. "

Then people are foolish. We were informed it was to flatten the curve (reduce transmission) so our emergency services could cope.

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By *urekamanfor2Man over a year ago

Shoreham

A couple of weeks full shutdown is what's needed , but total this time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

WORK not fucking pub ffs.

Honestly this forum sometimes.

Again I didn't it literally!

And what about my work and my family?

I didn't say you shouldn't be looked after financially.

Don't think the government will pick up the bill for salaries this time but a lockdown might flatten the peak in transmission.

Like I said as a family we cant afford another lockdown. "

And neither can mine.

This is about everyone not just your family.

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By *urekamanfor2Man over a year ago

Shoreham

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it.

Then people are foolish. We were informed it was to flatten the curve (reduce transmission) so our emergency services could cope.

No one ever said it would kill it off ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Simple answer - no.

Lockdowns don't solve the problem."

It depends on the problem. The, then, foreseeable problem was of an nhs unable to cope. It dealt with this problem quite nicely

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it.

Then people are foolish. We were informed it was to flatten the curve (reduce transmission) so our emergency services could cope.

No one ever said it would kill it off ? "

People on here keep saying it lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A couple of weeks full shutdown is what's needed , but total this time

Do you mean like Spain and France did.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

NO!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We have no choice but to lock down again , difficult for some but look at the bigger picture we simply have to

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By *llabouttheladyMan over a year ago

Wakefield

The first lockdown was very successful, the virus was highly prevalent across the country and had been growing exponentially since Dec/Jan in the country. The lockdown did a fantastic job of suppressing the transmission of the virus.

Sadly, all it did was kick the can down the road, the virus was always going to come back eventually, it’s what viruses do.

Herd immunity or a vaccination are the only two options to get us out of this mess, neither are coming any time soon.

Lockdown 2.0 is inevitable sadly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The health service isn't even closed to stretched unless there's evidence it will be we shouldn't be even thinking about another lockdown that will have huge financial implications, we need the money to pay for the health service and many many other benefits we all enjoy and the vulnerable absolutely depend on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The health service isn't even closed to stretched unless there's evidence it will be we shouldn't be even thinking about another lockdown that will have huge financial implications, we need the money to pay for the health service and many many other benefits we all enjoy and the vulnerable absolutely depend on."

But it will if we cant slow the spread.

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By *llabouttheladyMan over a year ago

Wakefield

Absolutely right

Most hospitals are functioning normally and have a plan in place for if/when it all kicks off again. Then there are the nightingale hospitals to fall back on.

Lockdown 2.0 is bollocks, but when we’ve got this clown show running the country, god help us, it’s coming.9

4000 cases per day now is not compatible with 4000 cases per day back in April when we were only testing in primary care settings.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Whilst I’m sure the Fabworld are very responsible and will heed any advice.

I’m not so sure others will be paying much attention to any more lockdowns.

I went out last night to a pop up bar and food place. Saw many big groups stood around of all different ages. The rule of six my ass.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shield the vulnerable.

Starting to think herd immunity is the only route now.

We as a family cant afford another lockdown.

You really weaken your point when you make unfounded accusations. He never mentioned going to the pub."

Exactly my thoughts, he never mentioned the pub. Just about looking after his family.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But it will if we cant slow the spread. "

Hospitals were empty up and down the country with the exception of some in London during the first lockdown. The nightingale hospitals were also empty for the most part. I'd like to know how many people die as a result of not getting checked out by their GPs as the drop in cancer and other urgent referrals is alarming. I bet the knock on effect of poor economy and the referrals will kill more anyway.

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By *uliette500Woman over a year ago

Hull

"Lockdown was never about "solving the problem" and would never stop a virus totally.

Spot on and exactly what I've been saying all along.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

it will be curfew next

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By *irkby coupleCouple over a year ago

Kirkby

I don’t think we will go back into lock down. All the media are talking about how many people have got coronavirus, but we didn’t know how many people had it to start off with, so we have no idea if the number is going up or down.

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By *ockosaurusMan over a year ago

Warwick

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it. "

People who didn't listen to science might have.

Scientists knew it was a measure to reduce the spread to a point where it was manageable, and to protect the most vulnerable.

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By *ust_A_Tease_To_PleaseWoman over a year ago

South Wales: Newport, Chepstow

" I personally think we should ditch the masks and distancing and just get on with life as normal and whatever happens happens.

As someone who is shielding, I'd prefer it if you accepted a few minor inconveniences to help reduce the spread, which will help save the lives of vulnerable people.

...

If I was that high risk I wouldn't be meeting anyone I didn't know for sex whether covid was a thing or not.

Not having a go just my perspective "

I'd prefer it if you didn't make widely inaccurate assumptions about my situation, thanks.

Covid has been particularly dangerous for people with certain issues. That doesn't automatically read across to other viruses or diseases.

And shielding means someone in your household is at higher risk of complications should they catch it.

But even then, me chatting on forums on a swinging site does not spoil my argument.

I've made it clear on my profile I'm not doing any meets at present and only here for the forums.

Please don't use someone's personal circumstances to try to justify poor behaviours during the pandemic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Diagnosed using what test?

What? "

Simple enough. How are they diagnosing?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it.

Then people are foolish. We were informed it was to flatten the curve (reduce transmission) so our emergency services could cope.

No one ever said it would kill it off ?

People on here keep saying it lol."

You can't kill a virus it's not technically a living orgsnism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not covinced it will be a lockdown like before but definitely restricted movements and curfews...

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple over a year ago

walsall

The virus will never go away as long as there's people spreading it only way to irradicate it is to lock everyone in their homes including key workers and this won't happen

To get a large enough herd immunity we need to contract it sadly its not the best idea especially for the vulnerable

Lock downs only postpone the inevitable as soon as there relaxed rates will rise

At the height of the virus the hospitals were only at 42% capacity that had been allocated

It was inevitable a rise in cases was gonna happen as soon as more testing became available even though many positive cases show no or very mild symptoms

Really don't know what answer is but economy and the lower paid can't keep being bashed

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

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By *ockosaurusMan over a year ago

Warwick

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it.

Then people are foolish. We were informed it was to flatten the curve (reduce transmission) so our emergency services could cope.

No one ever said it would kill it off ?

People on here keep saying it lol.

You can't kill a virus it's not technically a living orgsnism."

That depends on your definition of 'life', and something scientist have been arguing about for a long time.

Either way, it's use here 'is' valid in the English language as one definition is to "put and end to something".

Such as "kill the engine"

(sorry this is a little off topic)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Couldn't agree more with the two above posts. People just need to follow guidelines...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Diagnosed using what test?

What?

Simple enough. How are they diagnosing?"

Oh, I have no idea but it seems that they know it is increasing and more people have it now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Our mental health services can't afford another lock down. They were already stretched before covid. Now, it's even worse. Another lockdown and all the associated issues that brings will likely cause more deaths both now and in the future than covid will as we continue to pick up the pieces for years to come

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

No, we all have to start following the rules...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Maybe if they just closed pubs it would make a difference.

Recently when I was keeping my distance a d*unk man came up to me and said "fuck the virus" then started to give me a hug.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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We can blame the Chinese for the first lockdown but guess what we only have ourselves to blame for a second lockdown scenario we have all been warned time after time and yet!....,,,,,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But it will if we cant slow the spread.

Every winter the NHS is in crisis, its not going to take too much covid to tip it over the edge. Then more and more people will start losing people they love.

That is when people will start taking this seriously, when it starts killing the people they love.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course."

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

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By *arentsgonebadCouple over a year ago

sheffield

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By *ldaCouple over a year ago

sutton Coldfield

And what, exactly, will a second lockdown achieve?

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By *arentsgonebadCouple over a year ago

sheffield

Just got back from abroad and was amazing no covid feel, no covid histeria, no covid this covid that covid everything!! and a country with one of the least death rates in the world.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

Where does it state that it was the result of covid.

You just make up words for people?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just got back from abroad and was amazing no covid feel, no covid histeria, no covid this covid that covid everything!! and a country with one of the least death rates in the world. "

Which country was this?

There are very few that don't have restrictions or mandatory face coverings.

The difference is their citizens get in with it rather than kicking up a fuss.

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By *ch WellMan over a year ago

Scotland

"Maybe if they just closed pubs it would make a difference.

Recently when I was keeping my distance a d*unk man came up to me and said "fuck the virus" then started to give me a hug.

Why is shutting the pubs the answer? They've been open for a while now with no real issues. Schools reopen though and it all kicks off again. Now I'm not suggesting we close the school's again but I'm no sure why the finger is always pointed at pubs and pub goers who have quickly become treated as pariahs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

Where does it state that it was the result of covid.

You just make up words for people?"

They have said this on several other threads

Maybe think before you comment.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Just read suicides in Men at a two decade high.

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By *arentsgonebadCouple over a year ago

sheffield

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By *arentsgonebadCouple over a year ago

sheffield

Did say their was no restrictions but what I said was it wasn't a mass hysteria it was just the norm and people got in with life as normal instead of living in fear, the media over here have a lot to answer for as per usual they whip up a shit storm they did the same with brexit just fucking get on with it, isolate if u want to don't of u don't simple as that but its a virus it ain't going away so just live your life and move on, none of this can't meet as a 6 but can go to work with 400, can't meet as a 6 but can go boozer, can't meet as a 6 but can get on a plane with 200 other people with no social distancing can't meet as a 6 but can get on bus.. ... Covid isn't going away so do we live out life

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

Where does it state that it was the result of covid.

You just make up words for people?

They have said this on several other threads

Maybe think before you comment. "

Lol the irony.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe if they just closed pubs it would make a difference.

Recently when I was keeping my distance a d*unk man came up to me and said "fuck the virus" then started to give me a hug.

I think its because its seen as none essential and they are easy targets.

Yes some clusters have been linked to pub crawls but far more have been linked to gatherings in private homes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

Where does it state that it was the result of covid.

You just make up words for people?

They have said this on several other threads

Maybe think before you comment.

Lol the irony. "

Stop commenting on my posts.

You ask a question, you don't like the answer but you continue to comment on them and deliberately make it into something it isn't.

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By *arentsgonebadCouple over a year ago

sheffield

Local lock down here Loack lockdown their it's just a mess now no one has a clue what their doing and the general public arnt conforming where we went it was very simple everything was open , face masks should be worn at all times on public transport or in a shop and life went on as normal

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

Professor Woolhouse from Edinburgh University is a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group and advises the government.

He recently said that Trying to control Covid-19 through a lockdown as a monumental mistake. Look it up if you don't believe me.

90 doctors and scientists in Israel, including a Nobel prize winner, recently concluded 'A closure is thus a strategic mistake, based on a lack of basic understanding of the mechanisms of a pandemic'.

A letter signed by 394 medical doctors and 1343 health professionals in Belgium has just been sent to the Belgium Government where they argue that there is no medical justification for any further Covid restrictions – the medical evidence just doesn’t support them.

As I keep repeating these types of measures do nothing other than alter the rate of transmission (and trash the economy). Seems the medical profession is now coming out to say this as well.

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By *arentsgonebadCouple over a year ago

sheffield

Amen

"Professor Woolhouse from Edinburgh University is a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group and advises the government.

He recently said that Trying to control Covid-19 through a lockdown as a monumental mistake. Look it up if you don't believe me.

As I keep repeating these types of measures do nothing other than alter the rate of transmission (and trash the economy). Seems the medical profession is now coming out to say this as well."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Did say their was no restrictions but what I said was it wasn't a mass hysteria it was just the norm and people got in with life as normal instead of living in fear, the media over here have a lot to answer for as per usual they whip up a shit storm they did the same with brexit just fucking get on with it, isolate if u want to don't of u don't simple as that but its a virus it ain't going away so just live your life and move on, none of this can't meet as a 6 but can go to work with 400, can't meet as a 6 but can go boozer, can't meet as a 6 but can get on a plane with 200 other people with no social distancing can't meet as a 6 but can get on bus.. ... Covid isn't going away so do we live out life"

But you can meet as a 6.

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By *arentsgonebadCouple over a year ago

sheffield

Oh I'm sorry more than 6 :s lol

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By *lovebustyladiesMan over a year ago

Birmingham

We can’t go back into full lockdown the original one was for everybody to isolate to stop the spread of covi, unfortunately people did still keep meeting up in certain parts of brum for example you would not think there was lockdown, if people thought mass gatherings was a bad idea thy should of stayed home, ideally we should close out boarders request all U.K. nationals return home in 5 working days after that no entry we are an island and only allow essential trade, after all we are an island a green island so get these farmers using there fields utilise local industry to make things .... if we keep not touching our mouths washing our hands wiping door handles light switches your steering wheel your phone and other things we touch on a regular basis then we should beat this it’s basic hygene wipe surfaces touched on regular basis inc your phone screen.... wash hands and don’t touch your mouth.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

Where does it state that it was the result of covid.

You just make up words for people?

They have said this on several other threads

Maybe think before you comment.

Lol the irony.

Stop commenting on my posts.

You ask a question, you don't like the answer but you continue to comment on them and deliberately make it into something it isn't. "

Haha your deluded.

I can comment anywhere I want.

Who are you to say I cant lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

Where does it state that it was the result of covid.

You just make up words for people?

They have said this on several other threads

Maybe think before you comment.

Lol the irony.

Stop commenting on my posts.

You ask a question, you don't like the answer but you continue to comment on them and deliberately make it into something it isn't.

Haha your deluded.

I can comment anywhere I want.

Who are you to say I cant lol."

No need for insults thank you.

I unlike you have been able to disagree without being personal.

Now iv asked you to stop so please do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely right

Most hospitals are functioning normally and have a plan in place for if/when it all kicks off again. Then there are the nightingale hospitals to fall back on.

Lockdown 2.0 is bollocks, but when we’ve got this clown show running the country, god help us, it’s coming.9

4000 cases per day now is not compatible with 4000 cases per day back in April when we were only testing in primary care settings.

London nightingale was dismantled, no?

Testing in primary care is obviously not what you think. Testing was hospital admissions, ie acute trusts. Primary care is GP, for example.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Maybe if they just closed pubs it would make a difference.

Recently when I was keeping my distance a d*unk man came up to me and said "fuck the virus" then started to give me a hug.

I noticed people are getting closer together in pubs and not wearing masks. D*unken people don't seem to care.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it.

Then people are foolish. We were informed it was to flatten the curve (reduce transmission) so our emergency services could cope.

No one ever said it would kill it off ?

People on here keep saying it lol.

You can't kill a virus it's not technically a living orgsnism."

So the poster didn't state eradicate, stop splitting hairs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it.

Then people are foolish. We were informed it was to flatten the curve (reduce transmission) so our emergency services could cope.

No one ever said it would kill it off ?

People on here keep saying it lol.

You can't kill a virus it's not technically a living orgsnism.

That depends on your definition of 'life', and something scientist have been arguing about for a long time.

Either way, it's use here 'is' valid in the English language as one definition is to "put and end to something".

Such as "kill the engine"

(sorry this is a little off topic) "

I prefer your point to mine

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Professor Woolhouse from Edinburgh University is a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group and advises the government.

He recently said that Trying to control Covid-19 through a lockdown as a monumental mistake. Look it up if you don't believe me.

As I keep repeating these types of measures do nothing other than alter the rate of transmission (and trash the economy). Seems the medical profession is now coming out to say this as well."

What is so wrong wanting to slow transmission as a strategy?

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read."

I have already pointed this out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

That's what I sad too lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post. "

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this.

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post. "

Google is your friend.

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this. "

Green arrow until your heart is content. Good to know our comments interest you so much

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Google is your friend."

The NHS stats dont back up what you are claiming so that's why I asked for your sauce.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this.

Green arrow until your heart is content. Good to know our comments interest you so much

You have been told I told i have autism and asked not to goad me but you continue to do so.

Please stop now!

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this.

Green arrow until your heart is content. Good to know our comments interest you so much

You have been told I told i have autism and asked not to goad me but you continue to do so.

Please stop now!"

To be fair you are also goading them. You can’t have it both ways.

Chill

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this.

Green arrow until your heart is content. Good to know our comments interest you so much

You have been told I told i have autism and asked not to goad me but you continue to do so.

Please stop now!"

Excuse us. We have no idea you have autism. That has no relevance to this thread either. This is a totally reasonable discussion. Perhaps if it is getting to you, move to another thread.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this.

Green arrow until your heart is content. Good to know our comments interest you so much

You have been told I told i have autism and asked not to goad me but you continue to do so.

Please stop now!"

You have not once said you ha autism.

If you have maybe the forums is not the place for you.

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"You could Lockdown for a year but Covid will still be there , need to make sure those that are most at risk are looked after "
exactly look after the vulnerable and let the majority get on with life. This government is a joke. Lancashire due to go into lockdown on tuesday all except Blackpool. What's, that all about. Oh yes, it's the illuminations I forgot . We, must have those. That's far more important than any covid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this.

Green arrow until your heart is content. Good to know our comments interest you so much

You have been told I told i have autism and asked not to goad me but you continue to do so.

Please stop now!

You have not once said you ha autism.

If you have maybe the forums is not the place for you."

Wow! So you are suggesting I shouldn't be here?

I was referring to to the poster above who know perfectly well.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this.

Green arrow until your heart is content. Good to know our comments interest you so much

You have been told I told i have autism and asked not to goad me but you continue to do so.

Please stop now!

You have not once said you ha autism.

If you have maybe the forums is not the place for you."

I have autism. The forum is a place for everyone. That being said I also don’t use it as a card to play when things are not going my way.

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this.

Green arrow until your heart is content. Good to know our comments interest you so much

You have been told I told i have autism and asked not to goad me but you continue to do so.

Please stop now!

You have not once said you ha autism.

If you have maybe the forums is not the place for you.

Wow! So you are suggesting I shouldn't be here?

I was referring to to the poster above who know perfectly well. "

We do not know, so please stop lying about us.

We are leaving this there as you obviously can't handle discussion.

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By *arentsgonebadCouple over a year ago

sheffield

If you cant handle someone debating your opinions maybe you shouldn't voice them in the first place

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this.

Green arrow until your heart is content. Good to know our comments interest you so much

You have been told I told i have autism and asked not to goad me but you continue to do so.

Please stop now!

You have not once said you ha autism.

If you have maybe the forums is not the place for you.

Wow! So you are suggesting I shouldn't be here?

I was referring to to the poster above who know perfectly well. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolutely not.

In the months of August there were more deaths from suicide than Covid. The country needs to get back to normality and let the virus run its course.

And whats your source for this and where is evidence this is a result of covid?

I didn't say it was a result of Covid. Please re-read.

I have already pointed this out

Some people read what they want to. But hey, if that makes them happy then who are we to stop them. Not worth getting into an argument about

Are you going to give the sauce.

I'm not arguing I'm asking you were you got your information.

Maybe read the post.

Oh but you have said this on many other posts. The green arrow will show this.

Green arrow until your heart is content. Good to know our comments interest you so much

You have been told I told i have autism and asked not to goad me but you continue to do so.

Please stop now!

You have not once said you ha autism.

If you have maybe the forums is not the place for you.

Wow! So you are suggesting I shouldn't be here?

I was referring to to the poster above who know perfectly well. "

I give up

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1Man over a year ago

bromsgrove

"Looks like it probably will be and last time we learned that we did it too late. Use what we know and have learned.

Patchwork partial measures aren't cutting it, so the full deal is probably needed. "

Yep full lock down.

Too many twats in our country who are selfish cunts.

And can't see what's happening.

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

Another point we would like to make is the country couldn't financially cope with another lockdown. Businesses are really struggling. So many people are going to be facing redundancies.

The government can't afford to extend furlough or pay more out in SEISS.

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1Man over a year ago

bromsgrove

"Another point we would like to make is the country couldn't financially cope with another lockdown. Businesses are really struggling. So many people are going to be facing redundancies.

The government can't afford to extend furlough or pay more out in SEISS."

So its easy.

We all start following the rules.

Weather you believe or not.

Its as got to be something we all do.

I'm sure the powers that be are more informed than the FAB EXPERTS

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

For the people who are rubbing each other up the wrong way, please ignore each other. Also if someone asks you to ignore their posts, please do as asked

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I personally think we should ditch the masks and distancing and just get on with life as normal and whatever happens happens.

As someone who is shielding, I'd prefer it if you accepted a few minor inconveniences to help reduce the spread, which will help save the lives of vulnerable people.

It's similar to the idea of 'don't drink and drive,' a minor inconvenience to your fun to reduce the risk you pose to others.

Can you prove that the virus is not as infectious as the media claim it to be??

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By *llabouttheladyMan over a year ago

Wakefield

I’ve got it sussed

If you get symptoms, keep your mouth shut, tell nobody, don’t get tested, have a few days off to recover and carry on as normal.

Don’t wear masks

Wear masks

Asymptomatic are spreading it

Asymptomstic aren’t spreading it

Stay home

Eat out

Who knows what’s next

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By *arentsgonebadCouple over a year ago

sheffield

Just got back from abroad no social distancing, just face masks in certain places - one of lowest rates in Europe.... Stop believing the media

"Another point we would like to make is the country couldn't financially cope with another lockdown. Businesses are really struggling. So many people are going to be facing redundancies.

The government can't afford to extend furlough or pay more out in SEISS.

So its easy.

We all start following the rules.

Weather you believe or not.

Its as got to be something we all do.

I'm sure the powers that be are more informed than the FAB EXPERTS

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By *he Ring WraithMan over a year ago

Bradford

As long as there are people around that think this virus is not serious; is a government ploy to break the country; is part of a Chinese conspiracy, or any other excuse they come up with NOTHING and that includes lockdown will work !

The only thing that will stop the virus spreading and therefor eventually die out is no person to person contact between people who have it and people that do not.

There are way too many people who have no concept of this for anything to be affective.

Yes I am biased, I have lost two good friends to this thing, and yesterday a relative was admitted to hospital with it, we believe contracted from a work colleague in his 20s who has it after being on the town in Leeds all weekend !

so stay safe people, you cant protect the fools .... just protect yourselves IF YOU CAN. (or do what they say, and catch it and hope the fools are right and teh science is wrong) !

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

Put it this way, if folks weren't picking up for unidentified random contact mafia phone calls, I'm fairly sure the 10k fine isn't going to change any minds.

Phone off

Lights out

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By *rincess PhoenixWoman over a year ago

Southampton

There are probably more people with COVID but they can't get a test as the testing system is a shambles! Plus the kids have gone back to school and picked up the usual back to school cold that happens every year but parents are told the kids need a negative COVID test before they are allowed back to school (teachers too)

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I'm not to worried about myself catching it but for people at risk it is a worry. I just don't want another lockdown though because its not good for people's mental health and I can't afford to do it again. Maybe it would be best if older and people at risk isolated and the rest of us got on with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not to worried about myself catching it but for people at risk it is a worry. I just don't want another lockdown though because its not good for people's mental health and I can't afford to do it again. Maybe it would be best if older and people at risk isolated and the rest of us got on with it. "

This is where i have an issue.

So if people want the old and at risk to put our lives on hold so they can just get on with theirs how is that fair. You are asking people to sacrifice their work and social life so that you can have one.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The reality is until the government put enough money in place for everyone to still pay their bills etc, people will be forced to choose if they isolate or not.

The reality is they don't have the money to do that and people are loosing their jobs.

The protection of vulnerable people or relieving pressure put on the NHS is not something anyone can argue against, however people have to risk assess their own circumstances too

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By *jangoMan over a year ago

Plymouth

Good question...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The reality is until the government put enough money in place for everyone to still pay their bills etc, people will be forced to choose if they isolate or not.

The reality is they don't have the money to do that and people are loosing their jobs.

The protection of vulnerable people or relieving pressure put on the NHS is not something anyone can argue against, however people have to risk assess their own circumstances too "

But thats the problem its not just ourselves we put at risk.

There are no easy answers and I don't know what the solution is but surely everyone has make sacrifices not just the at risk and elderly.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?"

Well it's either that or we all sacrifice our work and social life and nobody can have one as you said. No matter how much people stick to the rules the virus will still be around and probably forever.. and as for mental health that's terrible but do we all have to suffer the same?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The reality is until the government put enough money in place for everyone to still pay their bills etc, people will be forced to choose if they isolate or not.

The reality is they don't have the money to do that and people are loosing their jobs.

The protection of vulnerable people or relieving pressure put on the NHS is not something anyone can argue against, however people have to risk assess their own circumstances too

But thats the problem its not just ourselves we put at risk.

There are no easy answers and I don't know what the solution is but surely everyone has make sacrifices not just the at risk and elderly.

Sure everyone needs to make sacrifices, some more than others maybe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The reality is until the government put enough money in place for everyone to still pay their bills etc, people will be forced to choose if they isolate or not.

The reality is they don't have the money to do that and people are loosing their jobs.

The protection of vulnerable people or relieving pressure put on the NHS is not something anyone can argue against, however people have to risk assess their own circumstances too

But thats the problem its not just ourselves we put at risk.

There are no easy answers and I don't know what the solution is but surely everyone has make sacrifices not just the at risk and elderly.

Sure everyone needs to make sacrifices, some more than others maybe "

And we already have.

But I think its awful that some people think that the life and wellbeing of someone who is clinical vulnerable to this virus is somehow less important than theirs.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example. "

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The reality is until the government put enough money in place for everyone to still pay their bills etc, people will be forced to choose if they isolate or not.

The reality is they don't have the money to do that and people are loosing their jobs.

The protection of vulnerable people or relieving pressure put on the NHS is not something anyone can argue against, however people have to risk assess their own circumstances too

But thats the problem its not just ourselves we put at risk.

There are no easy answers and I don't know what the solution is but surely everyone has make sacrifices not just the at risk and elderly.

Sure everyone needs to make sacrifices, some more than others maybe

And we already have.

But I think its awful that some people think that the life and wellbeing of someone who is clinical vulnerable to this virus is somehow less important than theirs. "

I havent said that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk? "

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The reality is until the government put enough money in place for everyone to still pay their bills etc, people will be forced to choose if they isolate or not.

The reality is they don't have the money to do that and people are loosing their jobs.

The protection of vulnerable people or relieving pressure put on the NHS is not something anyone can argue against, however people have to risk assess their own circumstances too

But thats the problem its not just ourselves we put at risk.

There are no easy answers and I don't know what the solution is but surely everyone has make sacrifices not just the at risk and elderly.

Sure everyone needs to make sacrifices, some more than others maybe

And we already have.

But I think its awful that some people think that the life and wellbeing of someone who is clinical vulnerable to this virus is somehow less important than theirs.

I havent said that "

Its implied.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules. "

It's isn't working though is it

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By *airof usCouple over a year ago

dundalk

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The reality is until the government put enough money in place for everyone to still pay their bills etc, people will be forced to choose if they isolate or not.

The reality is they don't have the money to do that and people are loosing their jobs.

The protection of vulnerable people or relieving pressure put on the NHS is not something anyone can argue against, however people have to risk assess their own circumstances too

But thats the problem its not just ourselves we put at risk.

There are no easy answers and I don't know what the solution is but surely everyone has make sacrifices not just the at risk and elderly.

Sure everyone needs to make sacrifices, some more than others maybe

And we already have.

But I think its awful that some people think that the life and wellbeing of someone who is clinical vulnerable to this virus is somehow less important than theirs.

I havent said that

Its implied. "

That's your opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it"

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules. "

Yes I agree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules.

Yes I agree "

See we got there in the end.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules.

Yes I agree

See we got there in the end.

Yes so finally we agree that people who are most at risk should isolate and others should work through it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules.

Yes I agree

See we got there in the end.

Yes so finally we agree that people who are most at risk should isolate and others should work through it? "

No! Only if the rest do everything they can to limit the spread, if they don't then they only have themselves to blame and the country should go back into lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules.

Yes I agree

See we got there in the end.

Yes so finally we agree that people who are most at risk should isolate and others should work through it?

No! Only if the rest do everything they can to limit the spread, if they don't then they only have themselves to blame and the country should go back into lockdown. "

ISo you don't think it's a good idea for the vulnerable to make sacrifices if the rest work and stick to rules as best they can?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

If the only way to reduce the le it's vels enough, the quicker lockdown starts, the shorter it will need to be.

Our levels and hospital capacities are nothing like in late March, so we'd not had to lockdown for anything like that duration.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"If the only way to reduce the le it's vels enough, the quicker lockdown starts, the shorter it will need to be.

Our levels and hospital capacities are nothing like in late March, so we'd not had to lockdown for anything like that duration. "

But surely when we come out of lockdown again we are going to be back in the same situation sooner or later?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules.

Yes I agree

See we got there in the end.

Yes so finally we agree that people who are most at risk should isolate and others should work through it?

No! Only if the rest do everything they can to limit the spread, if they don't then they only have themselves to blame and the country should go back into lockdown.

ISo you don't think it's a good idea for the vulnerable to make sacrifices if the rest work and stick to rules as best they can?

Not as best you can, to the letter.

I'm 37 years old, if I'm going to put life on hold its the least you can do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules.

Yes I agree

See we got there in the end.

Yes so finally we agree that people who are most at risk should isolate and others should work through it?

No! Only if the rest do everything they can to limit the spread, if they don't then they only have themselves to blame and the country should go back into lockdown.

ISo you don't think it's a good idea for the vulnerable to make sacrifices if the rest work and stick to rules as best they can?

Not as best you can, to the letter.

I'm 37 years old, if I'm going to put life on hold its the least you can do. "

You think it is possible to work and do it to the letter?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules.

Yes I agree

See we got there in the end.

Yes so finally we agree that people who are most at risk should isolate and others should work through it?

No! Only if the rest do everything they can to limit the spread, if they don't then they only have themselves to blame and the country should go back into lockdown.

ISo you don't think it's a good idea for the vulnerable to make sacrifices if the rest work and stick to rules as best they can?

Not as best you can, to the letter.

I'm 37 years old, if I'm going to put life on hold its the least you can do.

You think it is possible to work and do it to the letter? "

Yes i do so why can't you?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules.

Yes I agree

See we got there in the end.

Yes so finally we agree that people who are most at risk should isolate and others should work through it?

No! Only if the rest do everything they can to limit the spread, if they don't then they only have themselves to blame and the country should go back into lockdown.

ISo you don't think it's a good idea for the vulnerable to make sacrifices if the rest work and stick to rules as best they can?

Not as best you can, to the letter.

I'm 37 years old, if I'm going to put life on hold its the least you can do.

You think it is possible to work and do it to the letter?

Yes i do so why can't you?"

I think it depends on the job.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is where i have an issue.

If everyone stuck to the rules we could all have some kind of life. And what about there mental health?

But you want the most vulnerable in society to make the biggest sacrifice?

So why should I sacrifice my job and mental health so you can have yours?

I think you will find that in countries where people have stuck to the rules things are much better.

Italy for example.

Why do you think people who are not at risk should have to sacrifice their jobs and mental health for other people who are at high risk?

And why should those of us who through no fault of own who also have jobs, families and futures just be shut away?

What I'm saying is there is a middle ground and that is that everyone follows the rules.

It's isn't working though is it

No because people aren't sticking to rules.

If society wants the most vulnerable to make massive sacrifices for them them the least they can do is stick to the rules.

Yes I agree

See we got there in the end.

Yes so finally we agree that people who are most at risk should isolate and others should work through it?

No! Only if the rest do everything they can to limit the spread, if they don't then they only have themselves to blame and the country should go back into lockdown.

ISo you don't think it's a good idea for the vulnerable to make sacrifices if the rest work and stick to rules as best they can?

Not as best you can, to the letter.

I'm 37 years old, if I'm going to put life on hold its the least you can do.

You think it is possible to work and do it to the letter?

Yes i do so why can't you?

I think it depends on the job. "

I work in a school. Its not easy but its very possible. Anyway I'm calling in a night.

All I ask is that you realise its not easy to shield and that everyone has a duty to stick to the rules.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People assumed that the 1st lock down would kill off the virus, all it did was delay it. "

That was never the point, it was always going to return, you can slow the spread, viruses need vessel's for moving ie us, less contact less spread, but with or without a vaccine it'll probably always have an asymptomatic reservoir in humans.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As someone working on an ICU In Manchester I’ll just remind you that lockdown was to enable units like mine to be able to operate under the pressure that this virus absolutely does deliver to the care system.

We are currently seeing more people through the doors, we are also heading towards the point of the year where we are near capacity regardless of covid.

If another lockdown is announced it will be again to allow us the breathing room to ensure that those fighting for their lives can get the care they need... simple as that.

It’s not really a choice if it needs to happen unless we are suggesting it would be better to allow people to die in the streets whilst seeking care.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nobody wants a second lock down,including the Government. Local lock downs of 2 weeks would be the way forward. It would curb infection rates,and give the NHS breathing space.

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple over a year ago

walsall

People keep going on about lock down the UK has never been in lock down we only partially lock down

Factories Construction sites and other places remained open people who couldn't work from home had to go into work

We were all allowed out to supermarkets and for exercise so everyone had a part in spreading it because we never locked the country down we only put in small restrictions

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

This surely has to be the way forward. Common sense.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This surely has to be the way forward. Common sense."

Totally agree.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Time to live with this virus

Read this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Time to live with this virus

Read this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649"
So just because the public is more ready to accept more deaths we should give up on trying to control it?

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

We shouldn't need to lock down

Unfortunately too many thick cnuts in the country can't understand the simple concept of wash your fkn hands and don't beath and sneeze over people.

We live in a place where people complain because they got a speeding tickets when they were only 5mph over the limit. Says it all really.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"We shouldn't need to lock down

Unfortunately too many thick cnuts in the country can't understand the simple concept of wash your fkn hands and don't beath and sneeze over people.

We live in a place where people complain because they got a speeding tickets when they were only 5mph over the limit. Says it all really."
totally agree.

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