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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago
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I was just thinking about the track and trace system and there was something I didn't completely understand.
I'm sure somebody on here will be much better informed than me and be able to explain it to me if you don't mind.
So if I go (in my group of 6 or less) to the pub or restaurant or any other place leave my details for track and trace and then they contact me as someone attending the same venue at the same time tested positive, I still wouldn't have been anywhere near anybody apart from in my group, would everybody who is at that time in the venue need to isolate/ get tested? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"I was just thinking about the track and trace system and there was something I didn't completely understand.
I'm sure somebody on here will be much better informed than me and be able to explain it to me if you don't mind.
So if I go (in my group of 6 or less) to the pub or restaurant or any other place leave my details for track and trace and then they contact me as someone attending the same venue at the same time tested positive, I still wouldn't have been anywhere near anybody apart from in my group, would everybody who is at that time in the venue need to isolate/ get tested?"
If they contacted you then Yes.
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"I was just thinking about the track and trace system and there was something I didn't completely understand.
I'm sure somebody on here will be much better informed than me and be able to explain it to me if you don't mind.
So if I go (in my group of 6 or less) to the pub or restaurant or any other place leave my details for track and trace and then they contact me as someone attending the same venue at the same time tested positive, I still wouldn't have been anywhere near anybody apart from in my group, would everybody who is at that time in the venue need to isolate/ get tested?"
If they contact you and tell you to isolate then yes you do.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-test-and-trace-how-it-works
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Thank you "
Have you been contacted (nosey me). You don't have to answer but I'm dying to know lol.
I had an 0300 call to my phone which I did honestly miss - but they rank back later and it was BUPA for my Antibody test. Phew!!! |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Thank you
Have you been contacted (nosey me). You don't have to answer but I'm dying to know lol.
I had an 0300 call to my phone which I did honestly miss - but they rank back later and it was BUPA for my Antibody test. Phew!!!"
I haven't been contacted.
I was just thinking about it all. In one of the schools near me somebody tested positive and so the whole year group is off for 2 weeks.
Another local school though, one or more teachers tested positive and the school was fully closed, but just for one day.
I'm just trying to get my head around how it works, as it seems somewhat inconsistent.
If I had been contacted though, I'm sure they would tell me what the appropriate action would be in that situation.
It just seems a lot for everybody who was at a venue to have the isolate when you are kept apart from each other anyway, but whatever the official advice is, is what I would do in that situation. |
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It's not really been published too widely, I don't think, what specific procedure the Trace staff use to determine which visitors to a venue should isolate.
2 different visitors to a coffee shop today, 1 who has no virus at 8.30am and someone found to be infected at 2pm. Commpn sense says that only staff and customers after 2pm should be notified to isolate. It's unlikely, though not impossible, that the early morning customer was still around at 2pm.
Likewise, if the coffee shop cleans all surfaces as directed, are the Trace team just looking for people who were in sustained possible contact, rather than anyone who may have got infectex via a surface. If the venue calculates average customer visits of 1 hour, will Trace team just use visitors during that 1 hour?
In a huge venue, there may be large numbers of customers and staff. If you knew enforced seating operates, it would be reasonable to only notify others who served the table or sat in close proximity.
The NHS app is apparently launching soon and it will let customers scan a site QR code when visiting, instead of leaving contact info with the organisation. This might be useful to determine if the infected visitor was in close contact with others, whilst both using the app - which was the original purchase of the app, to scan for others via Bluetooth.
We will need more transparency, if people are potentially to give up 2 weeks of income I think. |
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"I was just thinking about the track and trace system and there was something I didn't completely understand.
I'm sure somebody on here will be much better informed than me and be able to explain it to me if you don't mind.
So if I go (in my group of 6 or less) to the pub or restaurant or any other place leave my details for track and trace and then they contact me as someone attending the same venue at the same time tested positive, I still wouldn't have been anywhere near anybody apart from in my group, would everybody who is at that time in the venue need to isolate/ get tested?"
yes |
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If you and the person who was positive in the same location indoors, there might be airborne transmission even if they are not part of your group.
If the person who was positive was there earlier, there might still be residual airborne particles, or transmission from a surface they've come in contact with.
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"Yes I think so .
I am only a porter on a hospital but our viral specialist recommended gargling with Whisky after coming into contact with anyone! Seriously!!
I am on a bottle a day now lol"
There must be some.truth in the medical evidence in alchol. Putin and other eastern European leaders have said drink Vodka and have saunas are good protection against the virus. |
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Surely if youre in your own group of 6 and seperate from others then theres no need, as we are told this is safe. I refuse to give my number out when i go to a pub im not a regular in, as i get drink, go outside for a fag and thats it. Dont talk to anyone, or get close, so im not playing big brother for anyone when i.m.o. its not needed |
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"Surely if youre in your own group of 6 and seperate from others then theres no need, as we are told this is safe. I refuse to give my number out when i go to a pub im not a regular in, as i get drink, go outside for a fag and thats it. Dont talk to anyone, or get close, so im not playing big brother for anyone when i.m.o. its not needed"
Pubs our way wouldn't serve you unless you gave over your details |
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"Yes I think so .
I am only a porter on a hospital but our viral specialist recommended gargling with Whisky after coming into contact with anyone! Seriously!!
I am on a bottle a day now lol
There must be some.truth in the medical evidence in alchol. Putin and other eastern European leaders have said drink Vodka and have saunas are good protection against the virus."
Its obviously not a cure but he said it reduces the viral load if done very early in the infection while still in the upper respiratory tract  |
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over a year ago
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"Surely if youre in your own group of 6 and seperate from others then theres no need, as we are told this is safe. I refuse to give my number out when i go to a pub im not a regular in, as i get drink, go outside for a fag and thats it. Dont talk to anyone, or get close, so im not playing big brother for anyone when i.m.o. its not needed"
They really need to crack down on track and trace as its ridiculous letting anyone that doesn't care or understand what's going going on get away with avoiding being traced. Surely these people should care more about their loved ones ? |
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By *i1971Man
over a year ago
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"Surely if youre in your own group of 6 and seperate from others then theres no need, as we are told this is safe. I refuse to give my number out when i go to a pub im not a regular in, as i get drink, go outside for a fag and thats it. Dont talk to anyone, or get close, so im not playing big brother for anyone when i.m.o. its not needed
Pubs our way wouldn't serve you unless you gave over your details "
Sure it's a legal requirement that they take the contact details now. It's easy enough, no details given or anyone wanting to argue about it, no entry. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Surely if youre in your own group of 6 and seperate from others then theres no need, as we are told this is safe. I refuse to give my number out when i go to a pub im not a regular in, as i get drink, go outside for a fag and thats it. Dont talk to anyone, or get close, so im not playing big brother for anyone when i.m.o. its not needed
Pubs our way wouldn't serve you unless you gave over your details
Sure it's a legal requirement that they take the contact details now. It's easy enough, no details given or anyone wanting to argue about it, no entry."
Exactly, they need to protect others from those that are selfish and not simply having no understanding of the rules and why they are necessary |
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By *i1971Man
over a year ago
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"And who the eff would give their name and number to a complete stranger? Fuck.. That.. Shit! "
That's why they've made it even easier with the qr codes at premises. As soon as you scan the code, you're tracked & traced. It'll be a simple rule of entry to most places soon enough. |
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"It's not really been published too widely, I don't think, what specific procedure the Trace staff use to determine which visitors to a venue should isolate.
2 different visitors to a coffee shop today, 1 who has no virus at 8.30am and someone found to be infected at 2pm. Commpn sense says that only staff and customers after 2pm should be notified to isolate. It's unlikely, though not impossible, that the early morning customer was still around at 2pm.
Likewise, if the coffee shop cleans all surfaces as directed, are the Trace team just looking for people who were in sustained possible contact, rather than anyone who may have got infectex via a surface. If the venue calculates average customer visits of 1 hour, will Trace team just use visitors during that 1 hour?
In a huge venue, there may be large numbers of customers and staff. If you knew enforced seating operates, it would be reasonable to only notify others who served the table or sat in close proximity.
The NHS app is apparently launching soon and it will let customers scan a site QR code when visiting, instead of leaving contact info with the organisation. This might be useful to determine if the infected visitor was in close contact with others, whilst both using the app - which was the original purchase of the app, to scan for others via Bluetooth.
We will need more transparency, if people are potentially to give up 2 weeks of income I think. "
Alton towers use a qr code, you scan it and enter your info and it timestamps it was very easy to use, just name and contact number entered press send and done  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I still wouldn't have been anywhere near anybody apart from in my group, would everybody who is at that time in the venue need to isolate/ get tested?"
Yes and they would likely contact everyone who visited the pub also on that afternoon.
I wouldn't put too much confidence in the system though as its still completely broken from the inside thanks to all the endless IT issues and ad hoc policies they've put in place. Lowest bidder and all that.
But they do try to contact anyone who had contact with the location at around the same time.
As you don't know (and couldn't possibly prove) that you hadn't transferred it to some surface or that someone else in the group hadn't passed it to you unknowingly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And who the eff would give their name and number to a complete stranger? Fuck.. That.. Shit! "
You ever book a hotel? A restaurant? A music venue? A taxi? A call centre? Pretty much any business. |
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As a bus driver,we have been told to too switch off Bluetooth when driving,as we are liable to get false readings especially if driving a double-decker and have people sitting above us.
Makes a mockery of the system, I think. |
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Friend of mine, who yes is on fab and who lives in a shared house, who's housemate tested positive.....and yet to this date four weeks on, never got any notification from track and trace...this was supposed to be a world class system months ago, bag of crap more like...... |
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"And who the eff would give their name and number to a complete stranger? Fuck.. That.. Shit! "
I'm also very concerned about who has my number and details. The idea of being tracked doesn't appeal to me.
I solve this by avoiding anywhere that takes track and trace details.
This is best for everyone, I don't infect others and I only give my details to places I'm comfortable with. Win win and simple enough to do.
I have purposely not gone to several places as a result, but that's my choice and me playing my part to keep others safe in a way I'm comfortable with. |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago
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"It's not really been published too widely, I don't think, what specific procedure the Trace staff use to determine which visitors to a venue should isolate.
2 different visitors to a coffee shop today, 1 who has no virus at 8.30am and someone found to be infected at 2pm. Commpn sense says that only staff and customers after 2pm should be notified to isolate. It's unlikely, though not impossible, that the early morning customer was still around at 2pm.
Likewise, if the coffee shop cleans all surfaces as directed, are the Trace team just looking for people who were in sustained possible contact, rather than anyone who may have got infectex via a surface. If the venue calculates average customer visits of 1 hour, will Trace team just use visitors during that 1 hour?
In a huge venue, there may be large numbers of customers and staff. If you knew enforced seating operates, it would be reasonable to only notify others who served the table or sat in close proximity.
The NHS app is apparently launching soon and it will let customers scan a site QR code when visiting, instead of leaving contact info with the organisation. This might be useful to determine if the infected visitor was in close contact with others, whilst both using the app - which was the original purchase of the app, to scan for others via Bluetooth.
We will need more transparency, if people are potentially to give up 2 weeks of income I think.
Alton towers use a qr code, you scan it and enter your info and it timestamps it was very easy to use, just name and contact number entered press send and done "
So would the all the visitors of Alton towers on a particular day have to isolate if one person tested positive, and also do you not have to wear a mask there?
I would have thought it would be exempt from track and trace, just like supermarkets and shopping centres, where you can touch all the goods you like mix with people and spend as long as you like but because you are have a mask on it's not considered necessary to track and trace. |
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"Surely if youre in your own group of 6 and seperate from others then theres no need, as we are told this is safe. I refuse to give my number out when i go to a pub im not a regular in, as i get drink, go outside for a fag and thats it. Dont talk to anyone, or get close, so im not playing big brother for anyone when i.m.o. its not needed
Pubs our way wouldn't serve you unless you gave over your details "
I give "a" number out but not quite mine. |
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"Surely if youre in your own group of 6 and seperate from others then theres no need, as we are told this is safe. I refuse to give my number out when i go to a pub im not a regular in, as i get drink, go outside for a fag and thats it. Dont talk to anyone, or get close, so im not playing big brother for anyone when i.m.o. its not needed
Pubs our way wouldn't serve you unless you gave over your details
I give "a" number out but not quite mine. "
Loads do this, dont blame them, whilst the list of people is in full view of others to see....girl 19 at work had a text from a waiter at a restaurant.......not good.... |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Surely if youre in your own group of 6 and seperate from others then theres no need, as we are told this is safe. I refuse to give my number out when i go to a pub im not a regular in, as i get drink, go outside for a fag and thats it. Dont talk to anyone, or get close, so im not playing big brother for anyone when i.m.o. its not needed
Pubs our way wouldn't serve you unless you gave over your details
I give "a" number out but not quite mine. "
Could that potentially result in somebody having to isolate who wasn't even in the venue as it happened their number out?
what if you gave the number out of somebody who was no longer on your Christmas card list, awesome one you just didn't want to have to see for 2-weeks at work, it's kind of like "revenge isolation!" |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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what if you gave the number out of somebody who was no longer on your Christmas card list, awesome one you just didn't want to have to see for 2-weeks at work, it's kind of like "revenge isolation!""
You girl, have a 'mean streak in you lol.
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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago
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what if you gave the number out of somebody who was no longer on your Christmas card list, awesome one you just didn't want to have to see for 2-weeks at work, it's kind of like "revenge isolation!"
You girl, have a 'mean streak in you lol.
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I wasn't encouraging it!! |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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what if you gave the number out of somebody who was no longer on your Christmas card list, awesome one you just didn't want to have to see for 2-weeks at work, it's kind of like "revenge isolation!"
You girl, have a 'mean streak in you lol.
I wasn't encouraging it!! "
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"Friend of mine, who yes is on fab and who lives in a shared house, who's housemate tested positive.....and yet to this date four weeks on, never got any notification from track and trace...this was supposed to be a world class system months ago, bag of crap more like......"
If the same household she wouldn't get contacted lol... think about it lol |
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"Friend of mine, who yes is on fab and who lives in a shared house, who's housemate tested positive.....and yet to this date four weeks on, never got any notification from track and trace...this was supposed to be a world class system months ago, bag of crap more like......
If the same household she wouldn't get contacted lol... think about it lol"
Might be same household, but what if in this case they didn't see eachother for a few weeks after and was not aware she had tested positive, she went to isolate with her bf at a different address? |
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"Friend of mine, who yes is on fab and who lives in a shared house, who's housemate tested positive.....and yet to this date four weeks on, never got any notification from track and trace...this was supposed to be a world class system months ago, bag of crap more like......
If the same household she wouldn't get contacted lol... think about it lol
Might be same household, but what if in this case they didn't see eachother for a few weeks after and was not aware she had tested positive, she went to isolate with her bf at a different address?"
Then she is not in that group of 6 or met them . No need to isolate if she at a different address ??? |
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It's come a long way, not, from the beginning when they said their world beating app would only contact you if you had been in close contact.
Close contact was deemed to be being within 2 meters of a person for more than 15 minutes.
Now it means being in the same building at the same time or after. No matter how big the building. |
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"Friend of mine, who yes is on fab and who lives in a shared house, who's housemate tested positive.....and yet to this date four weeks on, never got any notification from track and trace...this was supposed to be a world class system months ago, bag of crap more like......
If the same household she wouldn't get contacted lol... think about it lol
Might be same household, but what if in this case they didn't see eachother for a few weeks after and was not aware she had tested positive, she went to isolate with her bf at a different address?"
I'm not getting this 
Are you expecting t&t team to know who lives in the same households? Or do your friends have a t&t app which is meant to catch this scenario? |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman
over a year ago
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"It's come a long way, not, from the beginning when they said their world beating app would only contact you if you had been in close contact.
Close contact was deemed to be being within 2 meters of a person for more than 15 minutes.
Now it means being in the same building at the same time or after. No matter how big the building."
From what I'm reading here even Alton towers which has a capacity of thousands |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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From what I'm reading here even Alton towers which has a capacity of thousands"
The thing with Alton Towers is that the only indoor spaces that people spend more than a few moments together is the restaurants (and only the take-aways) have been open so far.
The Q's are all 2 meter distancing - though you can be in them for quite a while - but we have seen many many people wearing masks in Q's (common sense really).
You are only on the rides for less than a minute and they won't sit you with anyone not in your party. Always at least a seat between and you have to wear a mask for the duration of the ride.
Track and Trace I suppose is done by the fact that you have to pre-book EVERY ticket - even if you have a Season Pass.
But like walking around a Shopping Mall - Alton Towers amounts to almost the same thing.
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"And who the eff would give their name and number to a complete stranger? Fuck.. That.. Shit!
Dont go to pubs or restaurants then . Simples.... "
Why not? |
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