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Not to mingle in large numbers and not social distance would have been nice, but that ship has sailed.
It will get as bad as it will and lots of people are battening down the hatches for the winter storm |
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it."
What just say if I get it and can't work it will all be ok...
I guess you dontbhave any money wories for me it's no work, no money, no money no food cat pay bills lose the house of can't pay mortgage. Our house hold income is all ready down about 4k a month due to covid any more would be the tipping point.
So no to mingling |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is not a second wave.. the first one not gone away... because of multiple failings...1.its a virus .. 2. Folk getting complacent 3. Mixed messages from government..
Simples.. keep circle small. Wash hands |
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By *ilithxxWoman
over a year ago
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well"
I can’t believe this has to be corrected again at this point in time in the pandemic, I would have thought everyone knew by now the Influenza virus as its name indicates, it’s not a coronavirus  |
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By *i1971Man
over a year ago
Cornwall |
Not particularly worried for myself, but that's mainly due to keeping myself as safe as possible - washing hands & sanitising when appropriate, not going to crowded shops or high streets, not going to pubs & restaurants, keeping at least 2m from people etc.
Although my actions may well have a positive impact on others, I'm looking out for myself as that's the only thing I have any control over. |
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over a year ago
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well"
Damn sometimes it best not to post if you dont really know what you are talking about
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
I stopped worrying about it ages ago because everyone knows that some people will not follow the rules.
I just wash hands wear the mask and carry on.
If I get it then there will be nothing I can do about it so why sit there worrying?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it."
Yep, but adherence to govt guidelines. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
What just say if I get it and can't work it will all be ok...
I guess you dontbhave any money wories for me it's no work, no money, no money no food cat pay bills lose the house of can't pay mortgage. Our house hold income is all ready down about 4k a month due to covid any more would be the tipping point.
So no to mingling "
Fuck me you were living the living the high life  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well
Wow... Even after 7 months of non stop coverage... Just... Wow.... "
Apart from the "its a strain of Flu"
More people may have pre-existing immunity to the coronavirus than at first thought, according to an article in the British Medical Journal that challenges the widely held assumption that the immune systems of the world’s population were completely naive to infection.
In the article, the BMJ cites six studies reporting T-cell reactivity against the virus in 20-50% of people with no known exposure to it. According to the BMJ, researchers behind two separate studies have concluded that these unexpected immune responses could be explained by cross-immunity after exposure to common cold coronaviruses."
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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago
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I'm not worried. We've all been educated how to avoid it. It's just balancing out the risk factor you're prepared to take. Life carries on. I do take several precautions, and I certainly don't want to infect anyone if I was to carry it. So I'm not worried, only for other people  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Basically you can personally carry on with the measures that work stop transmission of any pathogen, or you can shout and insult people on a swingers forum. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it."
I find this approach rather selfish. The spreading is happening by those who take this approach getting on with life at the risk of spreading it further.
That's ok for you but doesn't take anyone else into consideration.
You may not be a high risk person but the carrier that infects others who in turn may be higher risk.
Does this not matter? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Basically you can personally carry on with the measures that work stop transmission of any pathogen, or you can shout and insult people on a swingers forum."
It's better to bless them  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
I find this approach rather selfish. The spreading is happening by those who take this approach getting on with life at the risk of spreading it further.
That's ok for you but doesn't take anyone else into consideration.
You may not be a high risk person but the carrier that infects others who in turn may be higher risk.
Does this not matter?"
You're making assumptions on what the poster didn't state. |
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
I find this approach rather selfish. The spreading is happening by those who take this approach getting on with life at the risk of spreading it further.
That's ok for you but doesn't take anyone else into consideration.
You may not be a high risk person but the carrier that infects others who in turn may be higher risk.
Does this not matter?"
This is what is challenging to many people. You mean I am being asked to do things that are inconvenient to me, don't especially benefit me, but potentially are for the benefit of others. Does not compute seems to be the response for some. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Whats the point of worrying for me personally. Ive worked throughout the "first wave" as a key worker. This will be no different to last time for me. Ive just got to carry on. Im too worn out from working and not having any methods to switch off to worry about anything anymore, apart from making sure at the end of this I still have a job. |
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well
I can’t believe this has to be corrected again at this point in time in the pandemic, I would have thought everyone knew by now the Influenza virus as its name indicates, it’s not a coronavirus "
And that even each strain of flu has its own antibodies so catching once doesn't create immunity to other strains |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
I find this approach rather selfish. The spreading is happening by those who take this approach getting on with life at the risk of spreading it further.
That's ok for you but doesn't take anyone else into consideration.
You may not be a high risk person but the carrier that infects others who in turn may be higher risk.
Does this not matter?"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it."
These are probably the most sensible words that I have read about Covid 19. |
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
These are probably the most sensible words that I have read about Covid 19."
Sensible if precautions are being taken. Please don't think that "not high risk"="safe". A friend's young daughter wasn't high risk by any measures and yet has been left brain damaged after catching it from asymptomic parent. As a family they are devastated. Please be safe, for your own sake and others. It CAN be life-changing. |
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
These are probably the most sensible words that I have read about Covid 19.
Sensible if precautions are being taken. Please don't think that "not high risk"="safe". A friend's young daughter wasn't high risk by any measures and yet has been left brain damaged after catching it from asymptomic parent. As a family they are devastated. Please be safe, for your own sake and others. It CAN be life-changing. "
Isn't anyone tired of being told to stay safe? I'll decide what risks I take not the government.
It's this constant drip feed that you must surrender your liberty to save others. Its emotional manipulation. |
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it."
And if you have put yourself in the high-risk group by living an unhealthily lifestyle then do something about it rather than expecting other people to protect you. |
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well"
No.
Influenza has many strains, it is a Corona virus.
Covid 19 is the disease caused by Sars-CoV-2.
The antibodies you develop with seasonal flu with be strain specific.
The biggest problem once seasonal flu arrives is everyone will be terrified its Covid19 and will want a test.
Its started to happen in schools, kids getting coughs and cold and being sent home awaiting tests.
The best thing to remember, any virus,cannot move itself, it needs you as it's best mate to transport it.
On your hands, it can be washed off, in your lungs it can't.
Wash hands regularly and put a bit of distance between each other, say hello to nan and grandad through their window.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
Perfect answer. "
Not necessarily... And I'm certainly not claiming to be an expert here, but...
I know two people who have had Covid, one of which passed it on to two of her children.
Neither of them had any underlined health issues, and did not come under the "at risk" catagory.
So I feel whilst we must try and get on with life, it's important to continue with social distancing, face coverings and hand washing.
We cannot go around with this "I'm alright jack" attitude.
Look at the guy from Bolton who decided not to quarantine, and go on a pub crawl... |
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well"
It's absolutely not a type of flu, in any way, shape or form. Its only association is that it is a virus. Having had the flu or this virus does not help to build immunity for the other. Whilst your immune system may be fired up if you have had a recent infection of the other, that's the only likely benefit, due to recency, unless you can share any published evidence. |
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
These are probably the most sensible words that I have read about Covid 19.
Sensible if precautions are being taken. Please don't think that "not high risk"="safe". A friend's young daughter wasn't high risk by any measures and yet has been left brain damaged after catching it from asymptomic parent. As a family they are devastated. Please be safe, for your own sake and others. It CAN be life-changing.
Isn't anyone tired of being told to stay safe? I'll decide what risks I take not the government.
It's this constant drip feed that you must surrender your liberty to save others. Its emotional manipulation. "
Surrender your liberty? Really.? Washing your hands, staying your distance and wear a face mask when needed is surrendering your liberty.... Aww bless. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Let nature take its course, protect the vulnerable, and let the virus go for it, for f***s sake, I ve had it, it's going through the population, no more poxy locked down, or I am joining corbyns brother on the barricades. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Whilst its a strain of coronavirus but very different covid19 is a respiratory infection which is why so many end up on ventilators and long term breathing and lung problems.
The flu is not.
Re vaccine despite the myth any covid vaccine will not stop folk getting it and being infectious.
It will only potentially help alleviate the worst affects for those on ventilators. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Worried for our kids but not that worried for myself as if I get it then I do but I do everything in my power to stay safe as much as I can.
Stay frosty out there everyone.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
I find this approach rather selfish. The spreading is happening by those who take this approach getting on with life at the risk of spreading it further.
That's ok for you but doesn't take anyone else into consideration.
You may not be a high risk person but the carrier that infects others who in turn may be higher risk.
Does this not matter?
You're making assumptions on what the poster didn't state. "
So the I'm low risk so just go about as normal is ok? There are many asymtomatic people thinking it's ok to go about as normal. This approach can infect many others. It's not just about 'I'm alright jack', the real issue is about society.
We have for decades convinced ourselves that I can do what I like, I come first. Sadly it's an attitude that fragments and leads to crumbling of society.
The last 8 months has shown how individualistic and selfish a society we had become.
The meeting and 'socials' (cough) that have been arranged against fab rules demonstrates how selfish our mentality has become. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
I find this approach rather selfish. The spreading is happening by those who take this approach getting on with life at the risk of spreading it further.
That's ok for you but doesn't take anyone else into consideration.
You may not be a high risk person but the carrier that infects others who in turn may be higher risk.
Does this not matter?
You're making assumptions on what the poster didn't state.
So the I'm low risk so just go about as normal is ok? There are many asymtomatic people thinking it's ok to go about as normal. This approach can infect many others. It's not just about 'I'm alright jack', the real issue is about society.
We have for decades convinced ourselves that I can do what I like, I come first. Sadly it's an attitude that fragments and leads to crumbling of society.
The last 8 months has shown how individualistic and selfish a society we had become.
The meeting and 'socials' (cough) that have been arranged against fab rules demonstrates how selfish our mentality has become."
Again you're assuming.
The post you initially quoted, I did also. I agreed with the post providing we all follow govt guidelines. Surely that's a better approach than assuming the worst? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
And if you have put yourself in the high-risk group by living an unhealthily lifestyle then do something about it rather than expecting other people to protect you."
 . what about those who were just genetically born with asthma or diabetes or any other underlying condition..: or god forbid those that made the life choice to get old |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not worried in the slightest as I follow the guidelines. I always wear a mask,I santitize regularly, I stay away from large groups of people. It's a small price to pay for mine and other people's safety. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The first wave never ended. This is the first wave reinvigorated and not a second wave. "
i thought the term second wave referred to the shape of a graph visual of the amount of infections with peaks and troughs and if we hit another period/ pattern where the numbers grow, peak and slow down again, thats a second wave ? am i wrong and there is an actual scientific definition where it needs to be a different strain or something? |
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well"
CV19 is NOT a strain of flu and it is very possible for someone to get both viruses at once. Antibodies to flu will protect you against covid19 or the other way around. |
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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well
CV19 is NOT a strain of flu and it is very possible for someone to get both viruses at once. Antibodies to flu will protect you against covid19 or the other way around."
That's great, most people have had flu, especially if they are older, so we'll all have anti bodies to covid?  |
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well
CV19 is NOT a strain of flu and it is very possible for someone to get both viruses at once. Antibodies to flu will protect you against covid19 or the other way around.
That's great, most people have had flu, especially if they are older, so we'll all have anti bodies to covid? "
No |
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"The first wave never ended. This is the first wave reinvigorated and not a second wave.
i thought the term second wave referred to the shape of a graph visual of the amount of infections with peaks and troughs and if we hit another period/ pattern where the numbers grow, peak and slow down again, thats a second wave ? am i wrong and there is an actual scientific definition where it needs to be a different strain or something? "
"Previous pandemics have been characterized by waves of activity spread over months. Once the level of disease activity drops, a critical communications task will be to balance this information with the possibility of another wave. Pandemic waves can be separated by months and an immediate “at-ease” signal may be premature." The WHO.
I always thought it was the peak and troughs of activity that could be plotted on a graph (and still do)  |
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well
Damn sometimes it best not to post if you dont really know what you are talking about
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Yes it is as they have said so themselves it's from the same family the flu is a virus and they never found a cure for that so what makes you think that they will find a cure for this one |
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well
Damn sometimes it best not to post if you dont really know what you are talking about
Yes it is as they have said so themselves it's from the same family the flu is a virus and they never found a cure for that so what makes you think that they will find a cure for this one"
It's a completely different virus!!!!!!!! |
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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well
Damn sometimes it best not to post if you dont really know what you are talking about
Yes it is as they have said so themselves it's from the same family the flu is a virus and they never found a cure for that so what makes you think that they will find a cure for this one
It's a completely different virus!!!!!!!!"
Is this a wind-up?
If so, that's my job |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well
Damn sometimes it best not to post if you dont really know what you are talking about
Yes it is as they have said so themselves it's from the same family the flu is a virus and they never found a cure for that so what makes you think that they will find a cure for this one"
Your digging a bigger hole lol. |
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We have given up worrying about it.
At first we did everything by the book to protect ourselves and families.
But seeing the damage lock has down to the community we live in and how few deaths there has been it just seems crazy to carry on with these restrictions.
Our local nhs hospital closed down the covid wards during the first wave due to such low numbers and has no plans to open a new one for the second wave.
A local private hospital canceled all private work and converted to a covid overspill in preparation for first wave. They saw not one patient.
My job was on the line and may still be.
Baby girls business could not operate for many months and now her costs have shot up.
Many friends are out of work
I know no one who has died or even got sick of corona.
I'm very sorry for the people who have but as currently far more people are dying of flu can we really justify damaging the mental health of our citizens and destryojg the economy even further? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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just reading the highlights from the SAGE meeting on sept 3rd that was released yesterday......
Just 6% Britons have Covid-19 antibodies
There is evidence of antibody levels waning over 2-3 months
Current levels of immunity UK unlikely to mitigate the impact of "a significant winter resurgence"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We are all going to die one day, I had the bug in March, you can't keep penning people up like animals, you have to take a chance. Another lock down and I am joining piers corbyn at the anti locked down protest. Bullying people with fines, and the like, it's nuts |
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it."
I wonder if that is the reason we are in this mess now, too many people getting on with it.... |
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"just reading the highlights from the SAGE meeting on sept 3rd that was released yesterday......
Just 6% Britons have Covid-19 antibodies
There is evidence of antibody levels waning over 2-3 months
Current levels of immunity UK unlikely to mitigate the impact of "a significant winter resurgence"
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"We have given up worrying about it.
At first we did everything by the book to protect ourselves and families.
But seeing the damage lock has down to the community we live in and how few deaths there has been it just seems crazy to carry on with these restrictions.
Our local nhs hospital closed down the covid wards during the first wave due to such low numbers and has no plans to open a new one for the second wave.
A local private hospital canceled all private work and converted to a covid overspill in preparation for first wave. They saw not one patient.
My job was on the line and may still be.
Baby girls business could not operate for many months and now her costs have shot up.
Many friends are out of work
I know no one who has died or even got sick of corona.
I'm very sorry for the people who have but as currently far more people are dying of flu can we really justify damaging the mental health of our citizens and destryojg the economy even further?"
Just because it hasn't significantly affected where you live doesnt mean it hasn't elsewhere.
I think the death toll is 41000. |
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Just because it hasn't significantly affected where you live doesnt mean it hasn't elsewhere.
I think the death toll is 41000."
But we have been significantly affected. As a poor town where a huge part of our encomny is brought in through the summer months, many which we're lost to lock down, the knock on effect here has been more than significant.
Suicide rates are high around here anyway, I fear this winter will be worse as families and individual struggle to keep their homes afloat.
The death figures are still completely miss leading. We have two quite public cases being fought here.
One one from the supposedly youngest person to die around heres Family, the child had a brain tumour and was dying yet it is now recorded at Covid-19.
Another from the family of an elderly gentleman with heart problems who dropped dead of a heart attack.the death citificate also says covid.
These families have highlighted a huge number of other falsely marked covid deaths |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well Really! Are you for real!!!"
Oh look Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses with some causing less-severe disease, such as the common cold, and others causing more severe disease such as Middle East respiratory syndrome ( MERS ) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome ( SARS ) coronaviruses. |
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By *man91Man
over a year ago
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well Really! Are you for real!!!
Oh look Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses with some causing less-severe disease, such as the common cold, and others causing more severe disease such as Middle East respiratory syndrome ( MERS ) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome ( SARS ) coronaviruses."
That doesn't necessarily mean you will have the antibodies for covid19. There are other common strain of flu not from the same group as covid19.
So unless you have an antibody test for covid19 done you can't be sure of having antibodies just because you had the flu. Also if you are antibody positive at the moment, we still don't exactly know how long they will stay active and if they will protect us if there are drifts and shifts in the mutation of the strain. This is one of the main concerns with vaccines and convalescent plasma treatment at the moment. |
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It is a tough one. On one hand we've all enjoyed getting back to the new normal and then the other it's clearly increased infection rate. Most will be fine, but think about those that won't be. I imagine it's pretty scary stuff.
I find all the restrictions a confusing message, yes I understand them and follow them 99% but it's these causing most people the worry. The change to daily lives has been unprecedented and impacted society and the economy terribly, and for this reason I'm finding these new potential lockdown a real problem.
We can only look back and say how badly it was handled as we're no where near over it yet.
Some of the ignorance towards it is what is causing the problems. |
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With an average chance of surviving Covid19 of 99.97% why would I be worried about it?
9 deaths a day on average of the last few weeks where CV19 is mentioned (mostly in the elderly with co morbidities)
18 deaths a day from suicide (which is now one of the main causes of death in the young)
180 deaths a day from coronary heart disease but I doubt that anyone of you has modified your diet, exercise or lifestyle as a result.
Seems most people are totally risk illiterate.
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"With an average chance of surviving Covid19 of 99.97% why would I be worried about it?
9 deaths a day on average of the last few weeks where CV19 is mentioned (mostly in the elderly with co morbidities)
18 deaths a day from suicide (which is now one of the main causes of death in the young)
180 deaths a day from coronary heart disease but I doubt that anyone of you has modified your diet, exercise or lifestyle as a result.
Seems most people are totally risk illiterate.
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"With an average chance of surviving Covid19 of 99.97% why would I be worried about it?
9 deaths a day on average of the last few weeks where CV19 is mentioned (mostly in the elderly with co morbidities)
18 deaths a day from suicide (which is now one of the main causes of death in the young)
180 deaths a day from coronary heart disease but I doubt that anyone of you has modified your diet, exercise or lifestyle as a result.
Seems most people are totally risk illiterate.
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By *m389Man
over a year ago
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"With an average chance of surviving Covid19 of 99.97% why would I be worried about it?
9 deaths a day on average of the last few weeks where CV19 is mentioned (mostly in the elderly with co morbidities)
18 deaths a day from suicide (which is now one of the main causes of death in the young)
180 deaths a day from coronary heart disease but I doubt that anyone of you has modified your diet, exercise or lifestyle as a result.
Seems most people are totally risk illiterate.
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The problem is when your in a hotspot that 99.97% isn’t true anymore.
Flying in an airplane is generally 99.99999% safe, but that means nothing if you are in plane that has a problem. |
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We are not worried about a second wave. We have done our research away from the mainstream media and concluded that what we are seeing now is as a result of the flattening of the curve, plus the normal rise in viruses that occurs every year at this time of year.
There are plenty of eminent scientists, virologists etc out there saying the same, but they aren't given airtime by the BBC/ SKY etc because it doesn't fit with the scaremongering agenda. Cases and deaths will rise, yes, but only in line with what you would see from other illnesses such as flu. The sooner we recognise this and end the hysteria, the sooner we can get back to normal. |
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"With an average chance of surviving Covid19 of 99.97% why would I be worried about it?
9 deaths a day on average of the last few weeks where CV19 is mentioned (mostly in the elderly with co morbidities)
18 deaths a day from suicide (which is now one of the main causes of death in the young)
180 deaths a day from coronary heart disease but I doubt that anyone of you has modified your diet, exercise or lifestyle as a result.
Seems most people are totally risk illiterate.
The problem is when your in a hotspot that 99.97% isn’t true anymore.
Flying in an airplane is generally 99.99999% safe, but that means nothing if you are in plane that has a problem."
This actually proves the point about being risk illiterate. Both your examples dont not change the math and the numbers still stand |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"With an average chance of surviving Covid19 of 99.97% why would I be worried about it?
9 deaths a day on average of the last few weeks where CV19 is mentioned (mostly in the elderly with co morbidities)
18 deaths a day from suicide (which is now one of the main causes of death in the young)
180 deaths a day from coronary heart disease but I doubt that anyone of you has modified your diet, exercise or lifestyle as a result.
Seems most people are totally risk illiterate.
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Why do people like you always think that surviving Covid means a complete recovery from Covid........
You seem to miss that a fair bunch of people will end up in hospital whilst having Covid
You also seem to miss that a fair bunch of people are now seeming to end up with long term problems after having Covid....
People are ending up with lung issues.... people are ending up with heart issues.... and those are just the ones we know about 9 months in!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"With an average chance of surviving Covid19 of 99.97% why would I be worried about it?
9 deaths a day on average of the last few weeks where CV19 is mentioned (mostly in the elderly with co morbidities)
18 deaths a day from suicide (which is now one of the main causes of death in the young)
180 deaths a day from coronary heart disease but I doubt that anyone of you has modified your diet, exercise or lifestyle as a result.
Seems most people are totally risk illiterate.
Why do people like you always think that surviving Covid means a complete recovery from Covid........
You seem to miss that a fair bunch of people will end up in hospital whilst having Covid
You also seem to miss that a fair bunch of people are now seeming to end up with long term problems after having Covid....
People are ending up with lung issues.... people are ending up with heart issues.... and those are just the ones we know about 9 months in! "
And acquired brain injuries. |
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"With an average chance of surviving Covid19 of 99.97% why would I be worried about it?
9 deaths a day on average of the last few weeks where CV19 is mentioned (mostly in the elderly with co morbidities)
18 deaths a day from suicide (which is now one of the main causes of death in the young)
180 deaths a day from coronary heart disease but I doubt that anyone of you has modified your diet, exercise or lifestyle as a result.
Seems most people are totally risk illiterate.
The problem is when your in a hotspot that 99.97% isn’t true anymore.
Flying in an airplane is generally 99.99999% safe, but that means nothing if you are in plane that has a problem.
This actually proves the point about being risk illiterate. Both your examples dont not change the math and the numbers still stand"
Not just Maths but his ability to understand data as well.
Just because your in a hot spot it doesn't suddenly mean if you get Covid19 you have a lower chance of survival i.e the 99.7% survival rate goes down as you suggested. The only thing that may change in a hot spot is there's a greater chance of you been infected.
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"We are not worried about a second wave. We have done our research away from the mainstream media and concluded that what we are seeing now is as a result of the flattening of the curve, plus the normal rise in viruses that occurs every year at this time of year.
There are plenty of eminent scientists, virologists etc out there saying the same, but they aren't given airtime by the BBC/ SKY etc because it doesn't fit with the scaremongering agenda. Cases and deaths will rise, yes, but only in line with what you would see from other illnesses such as flu. The sooner we recognise this and end the hysteria, the sooner we can get back to normal. "
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"what is the point in worrying about it? Are you high risk - protect yourself. are you not high risk - get on with it.
I find this approach rather selfish. The spreading is happening by those who take this approach getting on with life at the risk of spreading it further.
That's ok for you but doesn't take anyone else into consideration.
You may not be a high risk person but the carrier that infects others who in turn may be higher risk.
Does this not matter?
You're making assumptions on what the poster didn't state.
So the I'm low risk so just go about as normal is ok? There are many asymtomatic people thinking it's ok to go about as normal. This approach can infect many others. It's not just about 'I'm alright jack', the real issue is about society.
We have for decades convinced ourselves that I can do what I like, I come first. Sadly it's an attitude that fragments and leads to crumbling of society.
The last 8 months has shown how individualistic and selfish a society we had become.
The meeting and 'socials' (cough) that have been arranged against fab rules demonstrates how selfish our mentality has become.
Again you're assuming.
The post you initially quoted, I did also. I agreed with the post providing we all follow govt guidelines. Surely that's a better approach than assuming the worst? "
What am I assuming exactly? That there are thousands of asymtomatic carriers wandering around as normal because they don't have symptoms. Yes I am making that assumption and rightly so, there are thousands and that's a conservative assumption. |
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By *m389Man
over a year ago
Bromley |
"With an average chance of surviving Covid19 of 99.97% why would I be worried about it?
9 deaths a day on average of the last few weeks where CV19 is mentioned (mostly in the elderly with co morbidities)
18 deaths a day from suicide (which is now one of the main causes of death in the young)
180 deaths a day from coronary heart disease but I doubt that anyone of you has modified your diet, exercise or lifestyle as a result.
Seems most people are totally risk illiterate.
The problem is when your in a hotspot that 99.97% isn’t true anymore.
Flying in an airplane is generally 99.99999% safe, but that means nothing if you are in plane that has a problem.
This actually proves the point about being risk illiterate. Both your examples dont not change the math and the numbers still stand
Not just Maths but his ability to understand data as well.
Just because your in a hot spot it doesn't suddenly mean if you get Covid19 you have a lower chance of survival i.e the 99.7% survival rate goes down as you suggested. The only thing that may change in a hot spot is there's a greater chance of you been infected.
KJ"
We need to be very clear what probably we are referring to.
A. Probability you die given that you have contracted COVID.
B. Probability you die from COVID in general
A, by looking at worldometer is ~3%.
B, is low, but what keeps it low is your chances of getting it in the first place. Say in an extreme case, if in a hotspot, infection chance was 100% then B will converge to 3% |
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What has scientists, governments and general public shit scared is the volume of infection and NOT having an answer. This later is the worst thing any leadership can face. It threatens and undermines their authority.
This is also highlighted due to media coverage too.
The death stats are quite low compared to some other viruses and illnesses.
Perspective is what is needed and secondly a greater respect for others. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Can someone show me the data which shows the increase in positive tests is down to people not giving a shit. I’m sure that data is going to show it’s not down to people returning to work and traveling on public transport. |
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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago
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It seems we have two choices
1. Keep restrictions, shut pubs, don’t socialise
2. Get back to normal, those at high risk isolate, those not live normally and accept there will be increasing cases of a disease which has a fatality rate of about 0.9% (from Nature magazine)
The problem with option 1 is, for how long. The virus will not disappear, as shown from post lockdown it may be suppressed, but will not ‘die’’. So do we keep the restrictions until a vaccine? Which may be halfway through next year. Or never.
I favour option 2. If your worried, isolate. If not, don’t. If we keep on with panic, knee jerks then the damage to jobs and livelihoods will be awful. I know way more people whose jobs or businesses have gone than have had Covid. This seems a classic case of where the cure is worse than the disease. After all, if we have a fatal crash or two, we don’t shut the whole motorway network |
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The government's job is not to nanny us through, making personal decisions on our behalf & preventing us from taking risks we might be prepared to take ourselves.
The basis of our libertarian democracy is one of people taking responsibility of themselves, not for the state deciding on your behalf what can or can't happen. |
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"You do know the death rate for the under 50s is so close to zero it’s almost impossible to calculate?"
While you have your calculator handy, what's the risk of someone under 50 catching it and infecting someone over 50 ? |
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"The government's job is not to nanny us through, making personal decisions on our behalf & preventing us from taking risks we might be prepared to take ourselves.
The basis of our libertarian democracy is one of people taking responsibility of themselves, not for the state deciding on your behalf what can or can't happen."
100% agree |
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"The government's job is not to nanny us through, making personal decisions on our behalf & preventing us from taking risks we might be prepared to take ourselves.
The basis of our libertarian democracy is one of people taking responsibility of themselves, not for the state deciding on your behalf what can or can't happen."
Leaving aside the fact that a very large percentage of the population are too stupid to take responsibility for themselves for a minute.
I'm convinced that come next year Boris wants to be able to blame Covid for a disasterous brexit outcome he's very dangerous. |
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"The government's job is not to nanny us through, making personal decisions on our behalf & preventing us from taking risks we might be prepared to take ourselves.
The basis of our libertarian democracy is one of people taking responsibility of themselves, not for the state deciding on your behalf what can or can't happen.
100% agree"
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"No point worrying. What will be will be. Worrying about it won't change it so we just live each day as it comes and deal with whatever is thrown our way."
Well now I’ve got “Que Sera Sera” stuck in my head! Thanks for that!  |
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"No point worrying. What will be will be. Worrying about it won't change it so we just live each day as it comes and deal with whatever is thrown our way.
Well now I’ve got “Que Sera Sera” stuck in my head! Thanks for that! "
Could be worse songs to be stuck in your head. You've got me singing it in my head now too |
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"No point worrying. What will be will be. Worrying about it won't change it so we just live each day as it comes and deal with whatever is thrown our way.
Well now I’ve got “Que Sera Sera” stuck in my head! Thanks for that!
Could be worse songs to be stuck in your head. You've got me singing it in my head now too "
You’re welcome! |
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"The government's job is not to nanny us through, making personal decisions on our behalf & preventing us from taking risks we might be prepared to take ourselves.
The basis of our libertarian democracy is one of people taking responsibility of themselves, not for the state deciding on your behalf what can or can't happen."
Fact is and it is fact if you ask any serving member of the emergency services and hospital A&E what is their experiences of people taking responsibility for themselves they will be able to recount umpteen occasions when they had to rescue, recover or patch up some for whom the Darwin awards are de rigeur ..
We live with legislation to protect the majority from the actions of albeit a small minority and to protect that minority from themselves.. |
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People seem to think its only old people that are gonna anyway, and it's not someone they know so it doesn't matter..
It's bloody awful what it does to you, even if it doesn't kill you, I've seen it myself.
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"CV19 is a strain of the flu so if you get the flu you will have CV19 antibodies as well"
Let’s repeat, flu is not a coronavirus, and Covid is not a strain of the flu. So this is nonsense.
And as mentioned above, a combination of the two may well be lethal. |
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