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"Thoughts on another lockdown? "
As night follows day. It's inevitable with the infection rates we have and now the hospitisations and deaths following 3 or 4 weeks later.
Really hope I'm wrong but looking at France and spain who we are mimicking... It looks very likely |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
Talk is they are going to time a possible 2 week shutdown with the October half term for kids to try and keep down the disruption...
Mind you... covid seems not to know the timetable |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It would be happening now but the government is struggling on how to do one without furlough...hence the 10.00pm curfews when we all know the pubs need to shutdown. |
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By *ornsMan
over a year ago
west Midlands |
"Talk is they are going to time a possible 2 week shutdown with the October half term for kids to try and keep down the disruption...
Mind you... covid seems not to know the timetable "
Yes but they don't care that doing it then just destroys the break for us teachers...Needless to say that we have been forgotten in this epidemic as covid will not affect those teaching. |
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over a year ago
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"Talk is they are going to time a possible 2 week shutdown with the October half term for kids to try and keep down the disruption...
Mind you... covid seems not to know the timetable "
If we are going to shutdown for 2 weeks..one would think it would be easier to bring the holiday forward if needed now. As you say they can hang on at our peril |
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"It would be happening now but the government is struggling on how to do one without furlough...hence the 10.00pm curfews when we all know the pubs need to shutdown. "
You are right and the schools do but they need to be open for lots of reasons. Pubs had been open for 11 weeks now opening them caused a rise but not one like we have seen the last 3 weeks ish. It could be eat out to help out but i suspect the mean reason for the rise is probably kids going back to school . Just theory not 100% sure. |
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Back in February everyone was saying lockdown would never happen, in march, it would probably never happened.
Then it happened.
Currently they are saying a national lockdown is highly unlikely to happen again but then again.....
But whatever it's all for naught if no fucker takes any notice on the restrictions afterwards.
Hundreds of thousands of people flocking to the beach, pub's, parties etc. |
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"The government have just Negotiated a 3 day infection ceasefire with the covid Lancashire,Merseyside and Cheshire branches.
And a total infection amnesty with the covid blackpool branch. "
Why on earth do the government do this with announcements like this it just encourages the behaviours they are trying to prevent. The north east councils brought it in straight away. |
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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago
Beyond the shadows. |
I know hindsights a wonderful thing but they should have done a complete shutdown of everything for a few weeks, locked down the borders, till there was 0 case's. I know it would have coast a lot of money but this limping along has probably cost a lot more lives and money. |
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If there's one thing that is going to encourage house partys, it's calling time at 10pm, do folks actually thing everyone is going to go home to bed at ten, I'm talking town centres rather than rural pubs. |
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It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
"
You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our freedom? |
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our freedom?"
You really think that the opportunity is not now being taken to limit personal freedoms? Never let a good crisis go to waste.
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our freedom?
You really think that the opportunity is not now being taken to limit personal freedoms? Never let a good crisis go to waste.
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck "
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment? |
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our freedom?"
There was a was a really interesting article published in the British medical journal on the 16th sept outlining the leaked plans of operation Moonshot- some quotes from the article - which I’m happy to post a link to here or privately - still not sure which links I’m allowed to post!! Are:
“ there has been discussion to incentivise people to get tested... via sanction based model or through offering individuals being able to attend events”
And
“A negative test result may inform whether or not only whether you could attend an in-patient appointment, but if you could go to work that day, access a venue, get a flight or visit a .. relative”
Now- I’m not saying in the genuine interest of containing a disease these things sound like a bad idea. My personal concern is twofold- one- we all know apps can glitch. Technological error is a concern. Two - what if that data or that app is used against a person malevolently. I don’t think it’s impossible. That’s all I’m saying. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our freedom?
There was a was a really interesting article published in the British medical journal on the 16th sept outlining the leaked plans of operation Moonshot- some quotes from the article - which I’m happy to post a link to here or privately - still not sure which links I’m allowed to post!! Are:
“ there has been discussion to incentivise people to get tested... via sanction based model or through offering individuals being able to attend events”
And
“A negative test result may inform whether or not only whether you could attend an in-patient appointment, but if you could go to work that day, access a venue, get a flight or visit a .. relative”
Now- I’m not saying in the genuine interest of containing a disease these things sound like a bad idea. My personal concern is twofold- one- we all know apps can glitch. Technological error is a concern. Two - what if that data or that app is used against a person malevolently. I don’t think it’s impossible. That’s all I’m saying. "
You already live in a world where that has been possible for decades. The right person, a few mouse clicks and some keyboard prodding and hey presto, the computer says you have a criminal record sufficient to stop you ever getting a visa or passing a record check. Same goes for your credit rating, or your medical history. If someone wanted to do it, they already can. There is nothing gained by anyone crippling the world with lockdowns etc in terms of "control over your life" right or wrong approach, all governments are trying to do is save as many lives as possible and to find a way out of the other side of this. |
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our freedom?
There was a was a really interesting article published in the British medical journal on the 16th sept outlining the leaked plans of operation Moonshot- some quotes from the article - which I’m happy to post a link to here or privately - still not sure which links I’m allowed to post!! Are:
“ there has been discussion to incentivise people to get tested... via sanction based model or through offering individuals being able to attend events”
And
“A negative test result may inform whether or not only whether you could attend an in-patient appointment, but if you could go to work that day, access a venue, get a flight or visit a .. relative”
Now- I’m not saying in the genuine interest of containing a disease these things sound like a bad idea. My personal concern is twofold- one- we all know apps can glitch. Technological error is a concern. Two - what if that data or that app is used against a person malevolently. I don’t think it’s impossible. That’s all I’m saying.
You already live in a world where that has been possible for decades. The right person, a few mouse clicks and some keyboard prodding and hey presto, the computer says you have a criminal record sufficient to stop you ever getting a visa or passing a record check. Same goes for your credit rating, or your medical history. If someone wanted to do it, they already can. There is nothing gained by anyone crippling the world with lockdowns etc in terms of "control over your life" right or wrong approach, all governments are trying to do is save as many lives as possible and to find a way out of the other side of this."
But that is currently criminal I assume?
I don’t know what the bloody hell is going on, I don’t know the answers. I just know what I’m reading on websites like gov.uk, the British medical journal and so on. And I’m feeling very concerned indeed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our freedom?
There was a was a really interesting article published in the British medical journal on the 16th sept outlining the leaked plans of operation Moonshot- some quotes from the article - which I’m happy to post a link to here or privately - still not sure which links I’m allowed to post!! Are:
“ there has been discussion to incentivise people to get tested... via sanction based model or through offering individuals being able to attend events”
And
“A negative test result may inform whether or not only whether you could attend an in-patient appointment, but if you could go to work that day, access a venue, get a flight or visit a .. relative”
Now- I’m not saying in the genuine interest of containing a disease these things sound like a bad idea. My personal concern is twofold- one- we all know apps can glitch. Technological error is a concern. Two - what if that data or that app is used against a person malevolently. I don’t think it’s impossible. That’s all I’m saying.
You already live in a world where that has been possible for decades. The right person, a few mouse clicks and some keyboard prodding and hey presto, the computer says you have a criminal record sufficient to stop you ever getting a visa or passing a record check. Same goes for your credit rating, or your medical history. If someone wanted to do it, they already can. There is nothing gained by anyone crippling the world with lockdowns etc in terms of "control over your life" right or wrong approach, all governments are trying to do is save as many lives as possible and to find a way out of the other side of this.
But that is currently criminal I assume?
I don’t know what the bloody hell is going on, I don’t know the answers. I just know what I’m reading on websites like gov.uk, the British medical journal and so on. And I’m feeling very concerned indeed. "
Yep, it's absolutely a criminal offence to do it, as it would be to misuse Covid status'. It is a concerning time we are in right now, but whether you like the UK government or not, they are trying to help the population. Take comfort in the fact that many of the measures here are being mirrored by other governments round the world, some of which hate each other with a passion and would simply never cooperate just to present a facade to their population. All with their own medical and scientific data that has led to similar conclusions and approaches. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
"
".....Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low..."
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Cases matter, because when they keep rising exponentially it could lead to more deaths. Take a look at what's happening in Spain. |
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
"
I know. Boris Johnson keeps saying 'We must defeat the virus'. You can't defeat it you imbecile. It's not going to go away. Lockdowns only suppress & delay the transmission of infections and deaths. People still don't seem to get this. They buy you more time, that is all.
A lockdown only works when you have a handful of cases & can effectively track and trace to nip things in the bud from the outset. We're way beyond this now as it's endemic through the population.
Hancock said today on Radio 4 the government's aim was to suppress the virus until we get a vaccine. A vaccine may never materialise he was told & he proceeded to point & splutter like he often does and just blow hot air. He repeated they're being guided by the science. Lol. And we all know where that's got us. |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our freedom?
You really think that the opportunity is not now being taken to limit personal freedoms? Never let a good crisis go to waste.
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck "
House arrest?
Come on, your an adult..
Make you right on the lack of parliamentary scrutiny but you well know you can leave your house at any time ..
Oh and btw, the military..that's standard practice, we used to call it military aid to the civil community/ government..
Floods, foot and mouth, even went to Italy to assist in earthquakes..
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I don't know, I wish I did
There's a lot in what people say about cases rising due to more testing
There's a lot in what people say about low death rates.
However when you combine these two you have to admit that whilst a lot of people with mild or no symptoms are being tested positive who will not need hospital and are very unlikely to die the infections will spread beyond them.
The big unknown is when (not if) the virus rates double again ever 3 days how long before the death rates spiral ? Maybe it won't happen ?
Unlike some cretins I'm putting my trust in scientists to give us advice and I will follow it because I don't want my mother, my elderly neighbours or anyone else to die before they need to. Ken and Karen can fuck off.
Amyone who asys there is an "acceptable age" to die really needs to give their head a wobble.
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
I know. Boris Johnson keeps saying 'We must defeat the virus'. You can't defeat it you imbecile. It's not going to go away. Lockdowns only suppress & delay the transmission of infections and deaths. People still don't seem to get this. They buy you more time, that is all.
A lockdown only works when you have a handful of cases & can effectively track and trace to nip things in the bud from the outset. We're way beyond this now as it's endemic through the population.
Hancock said today on Radio 4 the government's aim was to suppress the virus until we get a vaccine. A vaccine may never materialise he was told & he proceeded to point & splutter like he often does and just blow hot air. He repeated they're being guided by the science. Lol. And we all know where that's got us. "
He gets absolutely obliterated every time he goes on talkradio.. I don’t know how he manages to keep it going- no matter how many times he gets hit, or how hard, he keeps on getting up and taking more punches. It’s astonishing, really. |
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"I don't know, I wish I did
There's a lot in what people say about cases rising due to more testing
There's a lot in what people say about low death rates.
However when you combine these two you have to admit that whilst a lot of people with mild or no symptoms are being tested positive who will not need hospital and are very unlikely to die the infections will spread beyond them.
The big unknown is when (not if) the virus rates double again ever 3 days how long before the death rates spiral ? Maybe it won't happen ?
Unlike some cretins I'm putting my trust in scientists to give us advice and I will follow it because I don't want my mother, my elderly neighbours or anyone else to die before they need to. Ken and Karen can fuck off.
Amyone who asys there is an "acceptable age" to die really needs to give their head a wobble.
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What happened to “they had a good innings”? That’s what they used to say when old people die- we can’t keep people alive indefinitely. It’s sad- there is someone I love like a mother - just the thought of her going makes me well up. It’s unbearable to think about. But it’s inevitable. We are born to die and there’s nothing that will change that. |
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We probably should do it when numbers are in sharp ascendancy but, like in March, we'll dither, to protect businesses. Certainly we had the best results via lockdown, of all measures. Johnson is reported as not wanting it.
There are enough people here demanding everything to return without restrictions, that it's clear that too much influence is swirling around, trying to get our balance disrupted, at any cost. Only very strict rules will enforce a substantial shift now, at this really pivotal point, before substantial autumn and winter risk increases hit us. |
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"I don't know, I wish I did
There's a lot in what people say about cases rising due to more testing
There's a lot in what people say about low death rates.
However when you combine these two you have to admit that whilst a lot of people with mild or no symptoms are being tested positive who will not need hospital and are very unlikely to die the infections will spread beyond them.
The big unknown is when (not if) the virus rates double again ever 3 days how long before the death rates spiral ? Maybe it won't happen ?
Unlike some cretins I'm putting my trust in scientists to give us advice and I will follow it because I don't want my mother, my elderly neighbours or anyone else to die before they need to. Ken and Karen can fuck off.
Amyone who asys there is an "acceptable age" to die really needs to give their head a wobble.
What happened to “they had a good innings”? That’s what they used to say when old people die- we can’t keep people alive indefinitely. It’s sad- there is someone I love like a mother - just the thought of her going makes me well up. It’s unbearable to think about. But it’s inevitable. We are born to die and there’s nothing that will change that. "
Yeah, your welcome to your opinion |
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"I don't know, I wish I did
There's a lot in what people say about cases rising due to more testing
There's a lot in what people say about low death rates.
However when you combine these two you have to admit that whilst a lot of people with mild or no symptoms are being tested positive who will not need hospital and are very unlikely to die the infections will spread beyond them.
The big unknown is when (not if) the virus rates double again ever 3 days how long before the death rates spiral ? Maybe it won't happen ?
Unlike some cretins I'm putting my trust in scientists to give us advice and I will follow it because I don't want my mother, my elderly neighbours or anyone else to die before they need to. Ken and Karen can fuck off.
Amyone who asys there is an "acceptable age" to die really needs to give their head a wobble.
What happened to “they had a good innings”? That’s what they used to say when old people die- we can’t keep people alive indefinitely. It’s sad- there is someone I love like a mother - just the thought of her going makes me well up. It’s unbearable to think about. But it’s inevitable. We are born to die and there’s nothing that will change that.
Yeah, your welcome to your opinion"
It is a fact that people die. It’s not opinion. Some deaths are preventable, sure, and that’s what we are arguing about here. But eventually we will all die. It’s absolutely awful, terrifying, heartbreaking and everything else. But it’s the truth, not opinion. |
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"I don't know, I wish I did
There's a lot in what people say about cases rising due to more testing
There's a lot in what people say about low death rates.
However when you combine these two you have to admit that whilst a lot of people with mild or no symptoms are being tested positive who will not need hospital and are very unlikely to die the infections will spread beyond them.
The big unknown is when (not if) the virus rates double again ever 3 days how long before the death rates spiral ? Maybe it won't happen ?
Unlike some cretins I'm putting my trust in scientists to give us advice and I will follow it because I don't want my mother, my elderly neighbours or anyone else to die before they need to. Ken and Karen can fuck off.
Amyone who asys there is an "acceptable age" to die really needs to give their head a wobble.
What happened to “they had a good innings”? That’s what they used to say when old people die- we can’t keep people alive indefinitely. It’s sad- there is someone I love like a mother - just the thought of her going makes me well up. It’s unbearable to think about. But it’s inevitable. We are born to die and there’s nothing that will change that.
Yeah, your welcome to your opinion
It is a fact that people die. It’s not opinion. Some deaths are preventable, sure, and that’s what we are arguing about here. But eventually we will all die. It’s absolutely awful, terrifying, heartbreaking and everything else. But it’s the truth, not opinion. "
I’m sorry- that came across very brutally. I can see from your post that you must have someone you care about and are concerned about, and I apologise for being so blunt about it. I don’t mean to be mean, and I am sorry if you are going through some grief right now, whatever it is x |
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over a year ago
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
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It’s no longer a pandemic as 78 passed with Covid 19 mentioned on their death certificate w/e 04.09 out of 7.7k total weekly deaths which is over 1k under the 5 year average
So now it’s a casedemic
More tests = more detection of positive cases
Plus side younger generation being tested with minimal risk, more survivors
So this will reduce mortality rate of covid 19
It’s here, it’s staying, be sensible or hide indoors until it’s safe to be injected with it, by way of unlicensed vaccine |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?"
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...  |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this... "
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it??? |
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Protect the vulnerable of course, and leave the rest to decide on the level of risk, you can't keep penning people up like animals. Pretty sure I had the bug in March, not pleasant, but it will make its way through the population. The hypocritical government bollocks allowing race meetings and the like, and then introducing the six rules. The economic crisis will be massive if they do another full lock down. |
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
It’s no longer a pandemic as 78 passed with Covid 19 mentioned on their death certificate w/e 04.09 out of 7.7k total weekly deaths which is over 1k under the 5 year average
So now it’s a casedemic
More tests = more detection of positive cases
Plus side younger generation being tested with minimal risk, more survivors
So this will reduce mortality rate of covid 19
It’s here, it’s staying, be sensible or hide indoors until it’s safe to be injected with it, by way of unlicensed vaccine "
Hospital rates have doubled in a week as have deaths... so if we keep going at that rate...well all I can say is its a familiar picture to me....
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it???"
No idea, but it won't involve making up weird shit.
No country in the world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment, why should this be any different for us? |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it???"
What does the “master plan” seek to achieve?  . |
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"It's nonsense of course just like the last one.
Simply put you cannot stop the spread of a virus merely alter the rate of spread.
Cases do not matter period. The only thing that does matter is deaths which are very low.
Approximately 2 times as many people are dying per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution. Many more such as cancer patients will die from the lack of testing and treatment. Collateral deaths and mental health issues will far exceed and virus deaths.
You really think this is making any sense especially as the government was telling you to go out a few weeks ago and were paying half the bill?
It's just to flatten the curve
It's just non-essential workers
It's just 2 metres
It's just track and trace
It's just police enforcement
It's just the military
It's just to we get a vaccine.
It's just for a limited time (maybe)
It's just your freedom gone for ever.
It’s no longer a pandemic as 78 passed with Covid 19 mentioned on their death certificate w/e 04.09 out of 7.7k total weekly deaths which is over 1k under the 5 year average
So now it’s a casedemic
More tests = more detection of positive cases
Plus side younger generation being tested with minimal risk, more survivors
So this will reduce mortality rate of covid 19
It’s here, it’s staying, be sensible or hide indoors until it’s safe to be injected with it, by way of unlicensed vaccine
Hospital rates have doubled in a week as have deaths... so if we keep going at that rate...well all I can say is its a familiar picture to me....
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Really.. if your source is mainstream media then not interested
I use the actual stats, based on issued death certificates 696 w/e 04.09 died with acute respiratory infection.. covid 78
And all out of 7.7k less than the 5 year average
So I shall stick to the numbers, the facts |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it???
What does the “master plan” seek to achieve? . "
I have no idea- I’m not the one who brought the master plan into the conversation! I just want to know what the master plan is to get out of this nightmare. |
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Bottom line is, gov can only control the shut down of things, they can shout as loud as they want about banning social interactions of folks within private dwellings, they know full well it can't be policed, and requires folks to comply, you only need to have few general conversations with random folks to guage the feeling.... |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it???
No idea, but it won't involve making up weird shit.
No country in the world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment, why should this be any different for us? "
Well because we live here and we voted for and pay for these lousy fuckers to lead our country. If they are going to implement such hard and disastrous regimes on us, they should have a strategy to pull it back. I don’t think thats an unreasonable demand. |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it???
No idea, but it won't involve making up weird shit.
No country in the world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment, why should this be any different for us?
Well because we live here and we voted for and pay for these lousy fuckers to lead our country. If they are going to implement such hard and disastrous regimes on us, they should have a strategy to pull it back. I don’t think thats an unreasonable demand. "
No other country in tbe world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment.
What makes you believe that we should be any different? |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it???
No idea, but it won't involve making up weird shit.
No country in the world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment, why should this be any different for us?
Well because we live here and we voted for and pay for these lousy fuckers to lead our country. If they are going to implement such hard and disastrous regimes on us, they should have a strategy to pull it back. I don’t think thats an unreasonable demand.
No other country in tbe world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment.
What makes you believe that we should be any different?"
What makes you believe we shouldn’t? |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it???
No idea, but it won't involve making up weird shit.
No country in the world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment, why should this be any different for us?
Well because we live here and we voted for and pay for these lousy fuckers to lead our country. If they are going to implement such hard and disastrous regimes on us, they should have a strategy to pull it back. I don’t think thats an unreasonable demand.
No other country in tbe world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment.
What makes you believe that we should be any different?
What makes you believe we shouldn’t? "
Well, glad we cleared that up... |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it???
No idea, but it won't involve making up weird shit.
No country in the world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment, why should this be any different for us?
Well because we live here and we voted for and pay for these lousy fuckers to lead our country. If they are going to implement such hard and disastrous regimes on us, they should have a strategy to pull it back. I don’t think thats an unreasonable demand. "
There are only really 2 options. All governments are facing the same challenge. Do whatever is necessary to reduce the spread and buy time for a vaccine or say fuck it, pretend it’s not happening and let the bodies pile up as we build herd immunity. Hard and disastrous or soft and disastrous, you take your pick. |
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over a year ago
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it???
No idea, but it won't involve making up weird shit.
No country in the world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment, why should this be any different for us?
Well because we live here and we voted for and pay for these lousy fuckers to lead our country. If they are going to implement such hard and disastrous regimes on us, they should have a strategy to pull it back. I don’t think thats an unreasonable demand.
There are only really 2 options. All governments are facing the same challenge. Do whatever is necessary to reduce the spread and buy time for a vaccine or say fuck it, pretend it’s not happening and let the bodies pile up as we build herd immunity. Hard and disastrous or soft and disastrous, you take your pick."
Money versus Lives I guess, is there any evidence out there now that shows if you can have long term immunity? |
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"Great news, hopefully it'll be a permanent lockdown  "
Oh what like India police on the streets with batons and the armed forces out with guns. People welded in to tower blocks. Lots starving as there is no food.
Mmm no not for me.. |
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You honestly think this is a government conspiracy to control our
No parliamentary scrutiny whilst a population is under house arrest? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
To what benefit to the government?
What do they get to gain from mass unemployment?
Increased unemployment benefit costs.
Reduced tax revenue.
Increased crime levels and increased jail costs.
Less money to spend on vanity projects.
I can't really see a well plotted, dark masterplan behind this...
It’s all very well and good chuckling about the well plotted master plan to get us in this shit heap - what I would like to know is- where Is the master plan to get us back out of it???
No idea, but it won't involve making up weird shit.
No country in the world appears to have an exit strategy at the moment, why should this be any different for us?
Well because we live here and we voted for and pay for these lousy fuckers to lead our country. If they are going to implement such hard and disastrous regimes on us, they should have a strategy to pull it back. I don’t think thats an unreasonable demand.
There are only really 2 options. All governments are facing the same challenge. Do whatever is necessary to reduce the spread and buy time for a vaccine or say fuck it, pretend it’s not happening and let the bodies pile up as we build herd immunity. Hard and disastrous or soft and disastrous, you take your pick."
There is fuck all any government can do about the virus unless the population take responsibility for their actions.As long as you have morons who refuse to social distance, stay away from large gatherings and wear masks in confined spaces it is going to continue until a vaccine is here. |
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"I don't know, I wish I did
There's a lot in what people say about cases rising due to more testing
There's a lot in what people say about low death rates.
However when you combine these two you have to admit that whilst a lot of people with mild or no symptoms are being tested positive who will not need hospital and are very unlikely to die the infections will spread beyond them.
The big unknown is when (not if) the virus rates double again ever 3 days how long before the death rates spiral ? Maybe it won't happen ?
Unlike some cretins I'm putting my trust in scientists to give us advice and I will follow it because I don't want my mother, my elderly neighbours or anyone else to die before they need to. Ken and Karen can fuck off.
Amyone who asys there is an "acceptable age" to die really needs to give their head a wobble.
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Struggling with this one.
The weather has not turned autumnal yet, the sun is shining, the grass is growing yet the virus has shot up.
Eat out to help out ran in August, if that was the root cause, the virus would have spiked before now.
I’m no genius, but shit loads of kids, teenagers and young adults have gone back to education settings.
All this clap-trap about kids not getting Covid is utter bollocks, it was my 8 year old daughter who brought it home from school in March in my households case.
Then there are the statistics.
How the hell can we compared the stats from today to the stats from March and April ffs.
Back then we were only testing those in hospital, we are now testing anyone who fancies one.
It’s bollocks.
Back in March hundreds of thousands of people had Covid, the government have told us that, yet they keep talking around the same stats, showing us the same sambrero graph.
I’ve had it, partners had it, kids have had it and I know many people who’ve had it. It’s not nice, but neither is flu. 3 or 4 days and the worst is over with for someone who is healthy.
Let the rest of us healthy folk who will be ill for 3 or 4 days get on with our lives. Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
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"Struggling with this one.
The weather has not turned autumnal yet, the sun is shining, the grass is growing yet the virus has shot up.
Eat out to help out ran in August, if that was the root cause, the virus would have spiked before now.
I’m no genius, but shit loads of kids, teenagers and young adults have gone back to education settings.
All this clap-trap about kids not getting Covid is utter bollocks, it was my 8 year old daughter who brought it home from school in March in my households case.
Then there are the statistics.
How the hell can we compared the stats from today to the stats from March and April ffs.
Back then we were only testing those in hospital, we are now testing anyone who fancies one.
It’s bollocks.
Back in March hundreds of thousands of people had Covid, the government have told us that, yet they keep talking around the same stats, showing us the same sambrero graph.
I’ve had it, partners had it, kids have had it and I know many people who’ve had it. It’s not nice, but neither is flu. 3 or 4 days and the worst is over with for someone who is healthy.
Let the rest of us healthy folk who will be ill for 3 or 4 days get on with our lives. Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
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"Struggling with this one.
The weather has not turned autumnal yet, the sun is shining, the grass is growing yet the virus has shot up.
Eat out to help out ran in August, if that was the root cause, the virus would have spiked before now.
I’m no genius, but shit loads of kids, teenagers and young adults have gone back to education settings.
All this clap-trap about kids not getting Covid is utter bollocks, it was my 8 year old daughter who brought it home from school in March in my households case.
Then there are the statistics.
How the hell can we compared the stats from today to the stats from March and April ffs.
Back then we were only testing those in hospital, we are now testing anyone who fancies one.
It’s bollocks.
Back in March hundreds of thousands of people had Covid, the government have told us that, yet they keep talking around the same stats, showing us the same sambrero graph.
I’ve had it, partners had it, kids have had it and I know many people who’ve had it. It’s not nice, but neither is flu. 3 or 4 days and the worst is over with for someone who is healthy.
Let the rest of us healthy folk who will be ill for 3 or 4 days get on with our lives. Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
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Wher are these people in nursing homes to go to isolate when we close the nursing homes? |
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"Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
Wher are these people in nursing homes to go to isolate when we close the nursing homes?"
Maybe the poster means close the nursing homes to all new admissions and visitors ? |
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"Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
Wher are these people in nursing homes to go to isolate when we close the nursing homes?
Maybe the poster means close the nursing homes to all new admissions and visitors ?"
According to the news last night it's already back into some homes. |
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"Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
Wher are these people in nursing homes to go to isolate when we close the nursing homes?
Maybe the poster means close the nursing homes to all new admissions and visitors ?"
Fair point...but some will need care after being hospitalised that they may not get returning home. I think it's easier said then done.
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I think the world should just shut down for 2 weeks we don't have to oay for anything for 2 weeks everyone is given food and just shut your doors get this fling thing contained once and for all ... just a thought lol |
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"Struggling with this one.
The weather has not turned autumnal yet, the sun is shining, the grass is growing yet the virus has shot up.
Eat out to help out ran in August, if that was the root cause, the virus would have spiked before now.
I’m no genius, but shit loads of kids, teenagers and young adults have gone back to education settings.
All this clap-trap about kids not getting Covid is utter bollocks, it was my 8 year old daughter who brought it home from school in March in my households case.
Then there are the statistics.
How the hell can we compared the stats from today to the stats from March and April ffs.
Back then we were only testing those in hospital, we are now testing anyone who fancies one.
It’s bollocks.
Back in March hundreds of thousands of people had Covid, the government have told us that, yet they keep talking around the same stats, showing us the same sambrero graph.
I’ve had it, partners had it, kids have had it and I know many people who’ve had it. It’s not nice, but neither is flu. 3 or 4 days and the worst is over with for someone who is healthy.
Let the rest of us healthy folk who will be ill for 3 or 4 days get on with our lives. Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
"
For many healthy people their experience is not the same as yours was, of 3 or 4 days feeling poorly. It's fairly common for people to have several months of problems, beyond when the virus has cleared their system.
We have next to no understanding about repeat infections, as we've had insufficient time to gain research evidence. A person having had several infections of it may get a very different outcome to what we'd expect. We also are very limited in our understanding of what, if any, immunity occurs, how long it may last etc.
We do have to stop looking at anecdotal experience, trying to generalise that to all. 3 or 4 days only of mild symptoms and nothing else, is a fortunate experience. |
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"Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
Wher are these people in nursing homes to go to isolate when we close the nursing homes?
Maybe the poster means close the nursing homes to all new admissions and visitors ?
According to the news last night it's already back into some homes."
I read online that they have asked care homes if they will accept covid patients...!
But I suppose the real question is 'do you have facilities to be able to properly isolate covid patients'. |
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"I think the world should just shut down for 2 weeks we don't have to oay for anything for 2 weeks everyone is given food and just shut your doors get this fling thing contained once and for all ... just a thought lol "
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"Struggling with this one.
The weather has not turned autumnal yet, the sun is shining, the grass is growing yet the virus has shot up.
Eat out to help out ran in August, if that was the root cause, the virus would have spiked before now.
I’m no genius, but shit loads of kids, teenagers and young adults have gone back to education settings.
All this clap-trap about kids not getting Covid is utter bollocks, it was my 8 year old daughter who brought it home from school in March in my households case.
Then there are the statistics.
How the hell can we compared the stats from today to the stats from March and April ffs.
Back then we were only testing those in hospital, we are now testing anyone who fancies one.
It’s bollocks.
Back in March hundreds of thousands of people had Covid, the government have told us that, yet they keep talking around the same stats, showing us the same sambrero graph.
I’ve had it, partners had it, kids have had it and I know many people who’ve had it. It’s not nice, but neither is flu. 3 or 4 days and the worst is over with for someone who is healthy.
Let the rest of us healthy folk who will be ill for 3 or 4 days get on with our lives. Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
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3 or 4 days you were lucky ! My family were all fit and very healthy but it takes 10 days at least |
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"I think the world should just shut down for 2 weeks we don't have to oay for anything for 2 weeks everyone is given food and just shut your doors get this fling thing contained once and for all ... just a thought lol
I wish we could do this! "
Its cost uk a fortune with furlough bailing out companies locking us all away with everything we need im sure would have been quicker and cheaper with no job losses |
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"Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
Wher are these people in nursing homes to go to isolate when we close the nursing homes?
Maybe the poster means close the nursing homes to all new admissions and visitors ?
According to the news last night it's already back into some homes.
I read online that they have asked care homes if they will accept covid patients...!
But I suppose the real question is 'do you have facilities to be able to properly isolate covid patients'. "
I'm almost certain a look of care homes closed through covid...now could they not be reopened to just accept covid only patients I wonder... |
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A disaster. If politicians stayed out of it and let people make informed choices we wouldn't have a knackered economy now.
It's called trusting the people. |
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"A disaster. If politicians stayed out of it and let people make informed choices we wouldn't have a knackered economy now.
It's called trusting the people."
The trouble being some are stipid, selfish and not caring about weaker in community so it needs the government to guide them ! |
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"A disaster. If politicians stayed out of it and let people make informed choices we wouldn't have a knackered economy now.
It's called trusting the people.
The trouble being some are stipid, selfish and not caring about weaker in community so it needs the government to guide them ! "
And they've handled it brilliantly so far. |
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"Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
Wher are these people in nursing homes to go to isolate when we close the nursing homes?
Maybe the poster means close the nursing homes to all new admissions and visitors ?
According to the news last night it's already back into some homes.
I read online that they have asked care homes if they will accept covid patients...!
But I suppose the real question is 'do you have facilities to be able to properly isolate covid patients'.
I'm almost certain a look of care homes closed through covid...now could they not be reopened to just accept covid only patients I wonder..."
We don't know of any carehomes that have closed because of covid.
There are and will always be loads of old folk that need looked after. |
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When I say close the care homes, I mean stop letting new folk in and limit visitors btw. Look after those already in there, keep the virus out.
Take a look at this weeks flu report, outbreaks are occurring in ....
Nursing homes, education establishments and workplaces predominantly.
Regarding the public, it’s a minority that are ignoring the rules, the majority are following them, yet the virus still spreads. Why? Because that’s what viruses are good at.
The virus is thriving in close-knit communities, Bradford, Kirklees and Calderdale in my county share a similar population dynamic and are clearly struggling with keeping things in check.
We can’t put our lives on hold for 6 months through the autumn/winter, there has to be a better strategy than going backwards to what we had in place a few months ago.
Potentially we could be in and out of regional lockdowns for months and months until the country has a vaccine/booster or we get here immunity (which is the governments back-stop don’t forget). |
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"I think the world should just shut down for 2 weeks we don't have to oay for anything for 2 weeks everyone is given food and just shut your doors get this fling thing contained once and for all ... just a thought lol "
we were locked down for months and that made no difference, what’s 2 weeks going to do? It’s bollocks and we’re all falling for it, shut the media down for 2 weeks then we’ll see a difference, they stirring up tensions and that’s about it, shit sells. I work for the NHS and despite the rubbish they are printing we aren’t rushed off our feet, we closed two wards because nobody is coming to hospital, the white elephants or nightingale hospitals as they’re called are costing us millions, there hasn’t been a single use of the Sunderland 1.
The repercussions of the underlying health problems is going to kill more than Covid 19, there thousands of people in desperate need of operations, they can’t get seen because of the hype the media are having us believe. Yes Covid is real and it’s an awful disease but cancer is far worse and that is being ignored |
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"Close the nursing homes, advise the vulnerable to stay in and be careful.
Wher are these people in nursing homes to go to isolate when we close the nursing homes?
Maybe the poster means close the nursing homes to all new admissions and visitors ?
According to the news last night it's already back into some homes.
I read online that they have asked care homes if they will accept covid patients...!
But I suppose the real question is 'do you have facilities to be able to properly isolate covid patients'.
I'm almost certain a look of care homes closed through covid...now could they not be reopened to just accept covid only patients I wonder...
We don't know of any carehomes that have closed because of covid.
There are and will always be loads of old folk that need looked after."
I was seeing quite a few on news reports a little while back,with the owners of a few homes saying they had to shut down through covid....dont know if they are back up and running again. But just a thought |
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"I think the world should just shut down for 2 weeks we don't have to oay for anything for 2 weeks everyone is given food and just shut your doors get this fling thing contained once and for all ... just a thought lol
I wish we could do this! "
In theory we pretty much tried this, but the nobheads were still mixing and not giving a fuck, and so here we are again. |
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"I think the world should just shut down for 2 weeks we don't have to oay for anything for 2 weeks everyone is given food and just shut your doors get this fling thing contained once and for all ... just a thought lol we were locked down for months and that made no difference, what’s 2 weeks going to do? It’s bollocks and we’re all falling for it, shut the media down for 2 weeks then we’ll see a difference, they stirring up tensions and that’s about it, shit sells. I work for the NHS and despite the rubbish they are printing we aren’t rushed off our feet, we closed two wards because nobody is coming to hospital, the white elephants or nightingale hospitals as they’re called are costing us millions, there hasn’t been a single use of the Sunderland 1.
The repercussions of the underlying health problems is going to kill more than Covid 19, there thousands of people in desperate need of operations, they can’t get seen because of the hype the media are having us believe. Yes Covid is real and it’s an awful disease but cancer is far worse and that is being ignored"
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"Any amount of lock downs wont shift it.
Only a decent vaccine or herd immunity will do that."
But if the virus only lasts a week, it would die out in 2?
Along with flu and cold and all the other stuff.
I’ve basically been isolating bar occasional shop visits. Mask. Hand sanitizer.
Still got tonsillitis last week. Wtf? |
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Latest figures from Worldometer:
UK deaths per million of population - 614
Sweden deaths per million of population - 580
Not a lot of difference there.
Except that Sweden did lot lock down.
Make what you will of that. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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I posted this elsewhere . . . but it never gets old I guess . . .
'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .
England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.
Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.
United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.
Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant ' |
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over a year ago
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"If one is needed then its needed I just hope they do start to fine and jail the people who ignore it. "
I agree rules are not rules unless they are enforced. |
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"I posted this elsewhere . . . but it never gets old I guess . . .
'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .
England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.
Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.
United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.
Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant '"
Yes but most of it is uninhabited
The majority of Swedens population live in towns and cites the same as us.
They are not spread out in the wilderness as you seem to think. |
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"If one is needed then its needed I just hope they do start to fine and jail the people who ignore it. "
A year ago if asked that question I would have been against such things but now I think it may be necessary, fact is a percentage of the population are thick as pig muck and won't listen..
Health director in Bolton said this morning that most of their recent outbreak is down to one bloke who went out pubbing instead of isolating..
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"I posted this elsewhere . . . but it never gets old I guess . . .
'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .
England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.
Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.
United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.
Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant '
Yes but most of it is uninhabited
The majority of Swedens population live in towns and cites the same as us.
They are not spread out in the wilderness as you seem to think."
Sweden has 3 cities with populations of over 200,000, Stockholm 1.5 million, Gothenburg 600K and Malmo 316K. Greater London is over 8 million and the conurbations of West Midlands, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire are all in excess of 2 million. Birmingham alone is over 1 million, Leeds 750K, Sheffield, Bradford and Manchester 500K, Liverpool 467K, even Bristol 428K.
There is no comparison between the population densities of Sweden and UK. |
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"I posted this elsewhere . . . but it never gets old I guess . . .
'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .
England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.
Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.
United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.
Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant '
Yes but most of it is uninhabited
The majority of Swedens population live in towns and cites the same as us.
They are not spread out in the wilderness as you seem to think.
Sweden has 3 cities with populations of over 200,000, Stockholm 1.5 million, Gothenburg 600K and Malmo 316K. Greater London is over 8 million and the conurbations of West Midlands, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire are all in excess of 2 million. Birmingham alone is over 1 million, Leeds 750K, Sheffield, Bradford and Manchester 500K, Liverpool 467K, even Bristol 428K.
There is no comparison between the population densities of Sweden and UK."
So what mechanism are you suggesting brought their infections back down like everyone else's? |
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And the large majority of their population live in those towns and cities
Average population density is a meaningless figure because it just averages the whole population out over every square mile of country
It's where the people actually live is what counts not the average density per square mile
Sweden is as much urbanised as we are -just in a smaller area of the country |
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"I posted this elsewhere . . . but it never gets old I guess . . .
'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .
England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.
Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.
United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.
Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant '
Yes but most of it is uninhabited
The majority of Swedens population live in towns and cites the same as us.
They are not spread out in the wilderness as you seem to think.
Sweden has 3 cities with populations of over 200,000, Stockholm 1.5 million, Gothenburg 600K and Malmo 316K. Greater London is over 8 million and the conurbations of West Midlands, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire are all in excess of 2 million. Birmingham alone is over 1 million, Leeds 750K, Sheffield, Bradford and Manchester 500K, Liverpool 467K, even Bristol 428K.
There is no comparison between the population densities of Sweden and UK.
So what mechanism are you suggesting brought their infections back down like everyone else's?"
It's didn't just go down just like ours, Frances, Spain's downward curve etc is Sweden's is not going back up now either. In fact Nordic neighbours like Denmark are seeing the same rise as us whilst Sweden is not. The below video sheds some light onto the potential reasons why.
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
KJ
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Latest figures from Worldometer:
UK deaths per million of population - 614
Sweden deaths per million of population - 580
Not a lot of difference there.
Except that Sweden did lot lock down.
Make what you will of that."
Comparing the UK to Sweden is an “apples & oranges” comparison.
Compare Sweden with its neighbours Norway and Finland (who locked down) and you’ll get a better picture. |
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over a year ago
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"Any amount of lock downs wont shift it.
Only a decent vaccine or herd immunity will do that.
But if the virus only lasts a week, it would die out in 2?
Along with flu and cold and all the other stuff.
I’ve basically been isolating bar occasional shop visits. Mask. Hand sanitizer.
Still got tonsillitis last week. Wtf?"
Just no. |
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over a year ago
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No more lock down, it's insane and a afront to personal liberties. Protect the vulnerable and elderly completely and properly, but no more rediculous counter productive, nonsense. |
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Professor Woolhouse (professor of infectious disease epidemiology), a member of the UK Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours that advises the Governmen, has said that Lockdown will come to be seen as a "monumental mistake on a global scale" and must never happen again.
He said the obvious that it was never going to change anything and that the damage as a result will be worse than the disease.
Still what does he know? |
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"Talk is they are going to time a possible 2 week shutdown with the October half term for kids to try and keep down the disruption...
Mind you... covid seems not to know the timetable "
I think October half term and over Xmas thats when most families will get together and spread it all schools will be shut and companies closed so less impact on economy apart from those hospitality industries relying on Xmas trade |
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"I think the world should just shut down for 2 weeks we don't have to oay for anything for 2 weeks everyone is given food and just shut your doors get this fling thing contained once and for all ... just a thought lol
I wish we could do this!
In theory we pretty much tried this, but the nobheads were still mixing and not giving a fuck, and so here we are again. "
Total 100% lockdown. The whole world indoors. No movement.
Can't happen.
And yeah the idiots will keep going to the pubs with symptoms and spreading it. |
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"I posted this elsewhere . . . but it never gets old I guess . . .
'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .
England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.
Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.
United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.
Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant '"
Exactly! We should lock down again but severelyfor 2 to 3 weeks , a small price to pay. Our local hospital has cleared wards as expecting a large influx over the next few weeks |
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"If one is needed then its needed I just hope they do start to fine and jail the people who ignore it.
A year ago if asked that question I would have been against such things but now I think it may be necessary, fact is a percentage of the population are thick as pig muck and won't listen..
Health director in Bolton said this morning that most of their recent outbreak is down to one bloke who went out pubbing instead of isolating..
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Exactly fine them heavily or if a major breach we need to give them the china treatment JAIL |
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I think we need to again close everything for a few weeks and the selfish ones complaining about their civil rights or disbelieve that covid even exists to man up and "volunteer" to work on covid wards . Maybe cleaning etc |
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"If one is needed then its needed I just hope they do start to fine and jail the people who ignore it.
A year ago if asked that question I would have been against such things but now I think it may be necessary, fact is a percentage of the population are thick as pig muck and won't listen..
Health director in Bolton said this morning that most of their recent outbreak is down to one bloke who went out pubbing instead of isolating..
Exactly fine them heavily or if a major breach we need to give them the china treatment JAIL"
They tend to be the talkers rather than dooers in society so that why I reckon forced them to labour as cleaners in hospitals
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"I posted this elsewhere . . . but it never gets old I guess . . .
'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .
England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.what would that achieve by locking down for 2 or 3 weeks just encouraging young people to mix in homes yes numbers may reduce but as soon as it lifts they will rise better solution is isolate people with medical problems that's where problem lies many people on here should be in a monersty or convent then swingers site
Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.
United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.
Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant '
Exactly! We should lock down again but severelyfor 2 to 3 weeks , a small price to pay. Our local hospital has cleared wards as expecting a large influx over the next few weeks "
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Don’t see the point in a two week lockdown , after the two weeks everyone will just go back to acting like the virus isn’t there again and we will be back to how we are now ,just been to Birmingham city centre you would never know we are in special measures, hardly no one wearing a mask in shops or on transport, gangs of people standing around, zero social distancing at all |
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"Don’t see the point in a two week lockdown , after the two weeks everyone will just go back to acting like the virus isn’t there again and we will be back to how we are now ,just been to Birmingham city centre you would never know we are in special measures, hardly no one wearing a mask in shops or on transport, gangs of people standing around, zero social distancing at all "
So lockdown severely. We are too easy on these idiots |
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Let's be realistic here is already way to late, the government has pretty much shown how useless it is, until we adapt to live with it, i.e masks for years to come, changed social life and work life, and it naturally mutates to a weaker virus, we will never be rid of it. VACCINES will be of limited use,may work for one season, just remember we never cured the common cold... |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Yes but most of it is uninhabited
The majority of Swedens population live in towns and cites the same as us.
They are not spread out in the wilderness as you seem to think."
Read again . . .
England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.
Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.
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"Let's be realistic here is already way to late, the government has pretty much shown how useless it is, until we adapt to live with it, i.e masks for years to come, changed social life and work life, and it naturally mutates to a weaker virus, we will never be rid of it. VACCINES will be of limited use,may work for one season, just remember we never cured the common cold..."
The chinese showed how affective a real lockdown is. Let's do it for real , short and really sharp , no exceptions. Basic Food by delivery to vulnerable |
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Yes but most of it is uninhabited
The majority of Swedens population live in towns and cites the same as us.
They are not spread out in the wilderness as you seem to think.
Read again . . .
England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.
Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.
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Stockholm 5000 per square km, London 5000 per square km. |
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By *obka3Couple
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"Let's be realistic here is already way to late, the government has pretty much shown how useless it is, until we adapt to live with it, i.e masks for years to come, changed social life and work life, and it naturally mutates to a weaker virus, we will never be rid of it. VACCINES will be of limited use,may work for one season, just remember we never cured the common cold...
The chinese showed how affective a real lockdown is. Let's do it for real , short and really sharp , no exceptions. Basic Food by delivery to vulnerable "
so who is doing the delivery ? Who is looking after the sick who is growing the food,who is keeping the electric and water running ? Cant be done |
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"Let's be realistic here is already way to late, the government has pretty much shown how useless it is, until we adapt to live with it, i.e masks for years to come, changed social life and work life, and it naturally mutates to a weaker virus, we will never be rid of it. VACCINES will be of limited use,may work for one season, just remember we never cured the common cold...
The chinese showed how affective a real lockdown is. Let's do it for real , short and really sharp , no exceptions. Basic Food by delivery to vulnerable
so who is doing the delivery ? Who is looking after the sick who is growing the food,who is keeping the electric and water running ? Cant be done"
The chinese showed how affective a real lockdown is. Let's do it for real , short and really sharp , no exceptions. |
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No f×××ing lock downs, it's insane, and counter productive. Protect the vulnerable and elderly people, and allow every one else to decide on the level of risk. State control gone nuts, and no, I didn't vote for the tories. In a million years, the country can't afford to keep these stupid lock downs. But like sheep, we are berated for questioning the guidelines. Life is all about risks. |
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