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I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem?
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"I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem?
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I've not seen anything to suggest that everything is going up. X death rates are down. My local hospital has 0 cases. My local infection rate is less its gone from 14 to 8.
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"I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem?
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You and I probably stooped going to the pub long before they shut for lockdown
Plenty went out that last friday night being fully aware it was out there waiting to spread...so what we need is strong non-conflicting messages from our leaders again....whether it will be listened to after DCs trip to specsavers is another thing... |
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My local hospital has 14 patients with Covid-19 being vented. I know an ICU nurse there. She says the issue is reporting is woefully inaccurate and the figures are under published by the government. It’s scary.
We are almost the same time frame into the second wave behind Spain and France we were first time round. But their hospital admissions aren’t going up either. At least not like the first wave. But I’m not sure what I believe anymore. |
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Infection rates are going up but death rates aren’t going up at the same rate.
The theory is that mask use is cutting viral load leading to less severe symptoms in the effected which will eventually lead to herd immunity.
More will die but not at the same rate. |
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"Infection rates are going up but death rates aren’t going up at the same rate.
The theory is that mask use is cutting viral load leading to less severe symptoms in the effected which will eventually lead to herd immunity.
More will die but not at the same rate."
Could just be a time lag. Infection rates go up. People are ill for a while. Then they die.
Really hope I'm wrong on that guess. |
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"Infection rates are going up but death rates aren’t going up at the same rate.
The theory is that mask use is cutting viral load leading to less severe symptoms in the effected which will eventually lead to herd immunity.
More will die but not at the same rate."
This is true and we now have drugs to adequately lesson the severity of covid-19. If we all stopped being entitled arses and actually slowed sars-cov-2 down by wearing face coverings, social distancing and frequently wash/sanitise hands then hospital admissions would happen but the deaths would not spiral.
Let the NHS work by not overwhelming them, after all thats why we went into lockdown for the first time. |
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I think its cos the disease/virus is not visible. If it was the plague or the pox it would be clearly visible with dead bodies piling up. Reminds me.. Looking forward to the next episode of Harlots on i player...
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"I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem?
I've not seen anything to suggest that everything is going up. X death rates are down. My local hospital has 0 cases. My local infection rate is less its gone from 14 to 8.
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You only have to look at the gov dashboard to see how things are changing.... |
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"Infection rates are going up but death rates aren’t going up at the same rate.
The theory is that mask use is cutting viral load leading to less severe symptoms in the effected which will eventually lead to herd immunity.
More will die but not at the same rate.
Could just be a time lag. Infection rates go up. People are ill for a while. Then they die.
Really hope I'm wrong on that guess. "
And if they don't die within 28 days they are no longer counted as far as I'm aware... |
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"Not what I want to see...but 27 deaths today. I just hope we can get on top of this...but with winter looming I very much doubt we will."
One thing that I don’t understand is that the number (27) quoted is the death of someone within 28 days of a positive test result FROM WHATEVER CAUSE.
Does this mean if you get hit by a car three weeks after a positive test then this is counted as a Covid death? I’m presuming so but how does this make any sort of sense?!! |
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"Actually death rates are down and trending down.
The number of deaths registered in the UK over one week has fallen below the five-year average for the first time since mid-March."
I'm assuming this is for all deaths , not just covid19? |
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"Not what I want to see...but 27 deaths today. I just hope we can get on top of this...but with winter looming I very much doubt we will.
One thing that I don’t understand is that the number (27) quoted is the death of someone within 28 days of a positive test result FROM WHATEVER CAUSE.
Does this mean if you get hit by a car three weeks after a positive test then this is counted as a Covid death? I’m presuming so but how does this make any sort of sense?!!"
No, this has been answered again and again. If this situation were to occur, you would not be counted as a Covid death. You would have your cause of death listed to be consistent with whatever injuries you sustained. If you have Covid, it would be listed on the death as something else you had at the time just as it would if you had cancer, or pneumonia, but that would NOT make your death due to Covid. It is a criminal offence for a false cause of death to be recorded. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Not what I want to see...but 27 deaths today. I just hope we can get on top of this...but with winter looming I very much doubt we will.
One thing that I don’t understand is that the number (27) quoted is the death of someone within 28 days of a positive test result FROM WHATEVER CAUSE.
Does this mean if you get hit by a car three weeks after a positive test then this is counted as a Covid death? I’m presuming so but how does this make any sort of sense?!!"
“... Does this mean if you get hit by a car three weeks after a positive test then this is counted as a Covid death?...”
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Maybe or maybe not.
On GOV.uk site, it states that the WHO defines a covid death as:
“A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 disease (e.g. trauma).“
Based on that definition I would presume that being hit by a car would not be classed as a covid death. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem?
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They think it is not true unbelievable to me |
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"I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem?
They think it is not true unbelievable to me"
I don't get it either  |
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"Infection rates are going up but death rates aren’t going up at the same rate.
The theory is that mask use is cutting viral load leading to less severe symptoms in the effected which will eventually lead to herd immunity.
More will die but not at the same rate."
I can see those figures changing when people get colds, flu, etc. As their immune system will be getting battered. |
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"Infection rates are going up but death rates aren’t going up at the same rate.
The theory is that mask use is cutting viral load leading to less severe symptoms in the effected which will eventually lead to herd immunity.
More will die but not at the same rate.
I can see those figures changing when people get colds, flu, etc. As their immune system will be getting battered."
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Actually there's plenty of data to suggest that catching multiple viruses actually makes your immune system stronger not weaker, think of it like a work out for your immune system, you might well feel battered after a workout in the gym but in reality your stronger not weaker |
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"Not what I want to see...but 27 deaths today. I just hope we can get on top of this...but with winter looming I very much doubt we will."
I'm more possative about winter!
I go out less see less people.
If you can only meet outdoors and it cold and wet.
For me we want a long hard winter.
Sorry is that not the right thing to say.  |
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"Actually death rates are down and trending down.
The number of deaths registered in the UK over one week has fallen below the five-year average for the first time since mid-March.
I'm assuming this is for all deaths , not just covid19?"
Yes all death's
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"The distance to some are having be to travel seems to be going up, despite what Mat Wanksock says.."
Brighton and South Coast residents offered Aberdeen test site appointments  . Hancock is certainly inadequate as minister for health. They've had months to prepare for increases in infection levels but failed to plan and deliver what was needed |
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Actually there's plenty of data to suggest that catching multiple viruses actually makes your immune system stronger not weaker, think of it like a work out for your immune system, you might well feel battered after a workout in the gym but in reality your stronger not weaker"
There *is* plenty of data to suggest that, but unfortunately this is all pre covid 19, so not necessarily a true reflection of reality. |
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"I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem?
To answer your question OP. It's because most of us are absolutely sick to death of it all. I think that just about sums it up.
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem?
I've not seen anything to suggest that everything is going up. X death rates are down. My local hospital has 0 cases. My local infection rate is less its gone from 14 to 8.
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National case average is up to 30/100k, which I think was a break point for worrying about it before.
Manchester's rate per 100k has doubled in the last few weeks, and Bolton is up to what was Leicester type levels.
... I know it's the wilds of the north, but us plague bearers do have modern transportation, even assuming things are fine near you. We're not under house arrest either. |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%"
That's definitely a good sign, although I'm hoping we're a bit better off than April |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%"
Which of course is good although the trend is going the wrong way and if as that idiot Hancock says it's going to take a couple of weeks to what exactly..?
Get back to where we should be now or it have carried on upwards to such a point with the onset of winter and the associated ailments thereof that it's out of control.. |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%"
Meaningless comparison. 11th april, 15,713 tests conducted. Most likely those tests were on those who were showing more severe symptoms. 10th September there were 211,018 tests conducted. Many of these will be school kids sent home from school with a cough and needed a negative test before they were allowed to return to school. |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%
Meaningless comparison. 11th april, 15,713 tests conducted. Most likely those tests were on those who were showing more severe symptoms. 10th September there were 211,018 tests conducted. Many of these will be school kids sent home from school with a cough and needed a negative test before they were allowed to return to school."
I'm guessing alot of those tested in April were already in hospital... |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%
Meaningless comparison. 11th april, 15,713 tests conducted. Most likely those tests were on those who were showing more severe symptoms. 10th September there were 211,018 tests conducted. Many of these will be school kids sent home from school with a cough and needed a negative test before they were allowed to return to school.
I'm guessing alot of those tested in April were already in hospital..."
Yes, we're not exactly comparing like with like. General public tests became available in about mid May (when I was tested) |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Not what I want to see...but 27 deaths today. I just hope we can get on top of this...but with winter looming I very much doubt we will.
One thing that I don’t understand is that the number (27) quoted is the death of someone within 28 days of a positive test result FROM WHATEVER CAUSE.
Does this mean if you get hit by a car three weeks after a positive test then this is counted as a Covid death? I’m presuming so but how does this make any sort of sense?!!
“... Does this mean if you get hit by a car three weeks after a positive test then this is counted as a Covid death?...”
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Maybe or maybe not.
On GOV.uk site, it states that the WHO defines a covid death as:
“A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 disease (e.g. trauma).“
Based on that definition I would presume that being hit by a car would not be classed as a covid death. "
Yes but it will still be counted in the figures because covid was mentioned on the death certificate. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Not what I want to see...but 27 deaths today. I just hope we can get on top of this...but with winter looming I very much doubt we will.
One thing that I don’t understand is that the number (27) quoted is the death of someone within 28 days of a positive test result FROM WHATEVER CAUSE.
Does this mean if you get hit by a car three weeks after a positive test then this is counted as a Covid death? I’m presuming so but how does this make any sort of sense?!!
“... Does this mean if you get hit by a car three weeks after a positive test then this is counted as a Covid death?...”
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Maybe or maybe not.
On GOV.uk site, it states that the WHO defines a covid death as:
“A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 disease (e.g. trauma).“
Based on that definition I would presume that being hit by a car would not be classed as a covid death.
Yes but it will still be counted in the figures because covid was mentioned on the death certificate. "
And how do you know that ? |
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"I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem? Could be because knowing the very high survival rate many younger fit people don’t see it as a threat and simly avoid those who want to keep a distance.
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"I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem? Could be because knowing the very high survival rate many younger fit people don’t see it as a threat and simly avoid those who want to keep a distance.
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3991 infections... More in hospital more on ventilators..let's keep the numbers down folks |
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The reason I think, that death rates and hospital admissions are down is because of social distancing, wearing face masks and other precautions we the majority of the public currently take. This government were responsible for a lot of deaths down to their inneficiancy in dealing with this virus at the outset so that added to the UKs death toll and hospital admissions. It was always going to be the case that figures would increase again. What we need in calamity May's words is a strong and stable government. What we have is a knob head (world beating hahaha Boris) and wancock running the show so I fear we may be in for a long winter |
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"I like positivity and good news,but the reality of the situation isn't looking so positive....
People on ventilators are going up.
Hospital admissions going up to between 100-150 per day.
Infection rates going up and the testing situation is diabolical.
So why are so many people still ignoring the problem? Could be because knowing the very high survival rate many younger fit people don’t see it as a threat and simly avoid those who want to keep a distance.
3991 infections... More in hospital more on ventilators..let's keep the numbers down folks"
I read that too  |
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"The reason I think, that death rates and hospital admissions are down is because of social distancing, wearing face masks and other precautions we the majority of the public currently take. This government were responsible for a lot of deaths down to their inneficiancy in dealing with this virus at the outset so that added to the UKs death toll and hospital admissions. It was always going to be the case that figures would increase again. What we need in calamity May's words is a strong and stable government. What we have is a knob head (world beating hahaha Boris) and wancock running the show so I fear we may be in for a long winter "
Trouble is the admissions to hospitals, patients on ventilators and daily deaths are all going up and with our rising positive test results it's only going to get worse. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Not what I want to see...but 27 deaths today. I just hope we can get on top of this...but with winter looming I very much doubt we will.
One thing that I don’t understand is that the number (27) quoted is the death of someone within 28 days of a positive test result FROM WHATEVER CAUSE.
Does this mean if you get hit by a car three weeks after a positive test then this is counted as a Covid death? I’m presuming so but how does this make any sort of sense?!!
“... Does this mean if you get hit by a car three weeks after a positive test then this is counted as a Covid death?...”
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Maybe or maybe not.
On GOV.uk site, it states that the WHO defines a covid death as:
“A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 disease (e.g. trauma).“
Based on that definition I would presume that being hit by a car would not be classed as a covid death.
Yes but it will still be counted in the figures because covid was mentioned on the death certificate.
And how do you know that ?"
Because that's how they have always counted the death rate, where covid is mentioned on the death certificate. |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%
Meaningless comparison. 11th april, 15,713 tests conducted. Most likely those tests were on those who were showing more severe symptoms. 10th September there were 211,018 tests conducted. Many of these will be school kids sent home from school with a cough and needed a negative test before they were allowed to return to school."
Bingo. Hence why we can’t compare the numbers of positive tests now to the ones in April when there were significantly more infected people than the testing showed.
We are a long way off those numbers at the moment. That said of course hospitalisations will go up they always do in the autumn/winter. |
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Review of the situation in my hospital:
Peak in mid-April with ~20 on ventilatory support and ~20 more on ICU
Mini-peaks three weeks after Easter, D-Day and Dominic Cummings’ press briefing
Zero on ventilatory support / ICU for the last month - until the last 5 days: one on ventilatory support (and another half dozen looking ill but not quite that bad yet) |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%
Meaningless comparison. 11th april, 15,713 tests conducted. Most likely those tests were on those who were showing more severe symptoms. 10th September there were 211,018 tests conducted. Many of these will be school kids sent home from school with a cough and needed a negative test before they were allowed to return to school.
Bingo. Hence why we can’t compare the numbers of positive tests now to the ones in April when there were significantly more infected people than the testing showed.
We are a long way off those numbers at the moment. That said of course hospitalisations will go up they always do in the autumn/winter."
Peak in april just over 5k..infections... Today's nearly 4k....80% of the peak. Its not a long way off.. Its pretty close. |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%
Meaningless comparison. 11th april, 15,713 tests conducted. Most likely those tests were on those who were showing more severe symptoms. 10th September there were 211,018 tests conducted. Many of these will be school kids sent home from school with a cough and needed a negative test before they were allowed to return to school.
Bingo. Hence why we can’t compare the numbers of positive tests now to the ones in April when there were significantly more infected people than the testing showed.
We are a long way off those numbers at the moment. That said of course hospitalisations will go up they always do in the autumn/winter.
Peak in april just over 5k..infections... Today's nearly 4k....80% of the peak. Its not a long way off.. Its pretty close. "
Did you read what I wrote. Due to the lack of testing in April the numbers would have been much higher than the 5k. |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%
Meaningless comparison. 11th april, 15,713 tests conducted. Most likely those tests were on those who were showing more severe symptoms. 10th September there were 211,018 tests conducted. Many of these will be school kids sent home from school with a cough and needed a negative test before they were allowed to return to school.
Bingo. Hence why we can’t compare the numbers of positive tests now to the ones in April when there were significantly more infected people than the testing showed.
We are a long way off those numbers at the moment. That said of course hospitalisations will go up they always do in the autumn/winter.
Peak in april just over 5k..infections... Today's nearly 4k....80% of the peak. Its not a long way off.. Its pretty close.
Did you read what I wrote. Due to the lack of testing in April the numbers would have been much higher than the 5k."
What about the lack of testing now? |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%
Meaningless comparison. 11th april, 15,713 tests conducted. Most likely those tests were on those who were showing more severe symptoms. 10th September there were 211,018 tests conducted. Many of these will be school kids sent home from school with a cough and needed a negative test before they were allowed to return to school.
Bingo. Hence why we can’t compare the numbers of positive tests now to the ones in April when there were significantly more infected people than the testing showed.
We are a long way off those numbers at the moment. That said of course hospitalisations will go up they always do in the autumn/winter.
Peak in april just over 5k..infections... Today's nearly 4k....80% of the peak. Its not a long way off.. Its pretty close.
Did you read what I wrote. Due to the lack of testing in April the numbers would have been much higher than the 5k.
What about the lack of testing now?"
For all the chaos of the current testing it’s a lot higher than in April. |
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"To put it into perspective the test positivity rate on the 11th April was 30.2%.
The current test positivity rate is 1.3%
Meaningless comparison. 11th april, 15,713 tests conducted. Most likely those tests were on those who were showing more severe symptoms. 10th September there were 211,018 tests conducted. Many of these will be school kids sent home from school with a cough and needed a negative test before they were allowed to return to school.
Bingo. Hence why we can’t compare the numbers of positive tests now to the ones in April when there were significantly more infected people than the testing showed.
We are a long way off those numbers at the moment. That said of course hospitalisations will go up they always do in the autumn/winter.
Peak in april just over 5k..infections... Today's nearly 4k....80% of the peak. Its not a long way off.. Its pretty close.
Did you read what I wrote. Due to the lack of testing in April the numbers would have been much higher than the 5k.
What about the lack of testing now?
For all the chaos of the current testing it’s a lot higher than in April."
But not much higher then may |
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Suicides are going up, deaths from failure to test and treat existing NHS patients are going up, unemployment is going up, waiting lists are going up, mental illness is increasing but that's no problem.
Average deaths in the whole UK for the last 2 weeks are about 9 a day (where CV19 is mentioned - not necessarily where it has caused death). Twice as many died per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution.
Seems the irrational hysteria is still going up as well. |
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"Suicides are going up, deaths from failure to test and treat existing NHS patients are going up, unemployment is going up, waiting lists are going up, mental illness is increasing but that's no problem.
Average deaths in the whole UK for the last 2 weeks are about 9 a day (where CV19 is mentioned - not necessarily where it has caused death). Twice as many died per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution.
Seems the irrational hysteria is still going up as well."
I'd say it's more irrational to think that your figures, from 2018, 2019, and the last few weeks (given how you cite it elsewhere) are comparable. |
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"Suicides are going up, deaths from failure to test and treat existing NHS patients are going up, unemployment is going up, waiting lists are going up, mental illness is increasing but that's no problem.
Average deaths in the whole UK for the last 2 weeks are about 9 a day (where CV19 is mentioned - not necessarily where it has caused death). Twice as many died per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution.
Seems the irrational hysteria is still going up as well.
I'd say it's more irrational to think that your figures, from 2018, 2019, and the last few weeks (given how you cite it elsewhere) are comparable."
Well if you’re going to bring a basic level of scientific rigour I to the argument of course she’s going to look irrational. |
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"Suicides are going up, deaths from failure to test and treat existing NHS patients are going up, unemployment is going up, waiting lists are going up, mental illness is increasing but that's no problem.
Average deaths in the whole UK for the last 2 weeks are about 9 a day (where CV19 is mentioned - not necessarily where it has caused death). Twice as many died per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution.
Seems the irrational hysteria is still going up as well."
The latest figures for suicide is 2018 via the ONS..
What is your source for your claim that this has gone up this year please?
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"Suicides are going up, deaths from failure to test and treat existing NHS patients are going up, unemployment is going up, waiting lists are going up, mental illness is increasing but that's no problem.
Average deaths in the whole UK for the last 2 weeks are about 9 a day (where CV19 is mentioned - not necessarily where it has caused death). Twice as many died per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution.
Seems the irrational hysteria is still going up as well.
The latest figures for suicide is 2018 via the ONS..
What is your source for your claim that this has gone up this year please?
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It's been on the news (BBC ITV)
this week. Particularly in the North.
Not being able to be treated for existing non covid diseases or conditions is a shameful failure. |
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"Suicides are going up, deaths from failure to test and treat existing NHS patients are going up, unemployment is going up, waiting lists are going up, mental illness is increasing but that's no problem.
Average deaths in the whole UK for the last 2 weeks are about 9 a day (where CV19 is mentioned - not necessarily where it has caused death). Twice as many died per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution.
Seems the irrational hysteria is still going up as well.
I'd say it's more irrational to think that your figures, from 2018, 2019, and the last few weeks (given how you cite it elsewhere) are comparable.
Well if you’re going to bring a basic level of scientific rigour I to the argument of course she’s going to look irrational."
Why would you want rigour when she/he has a point to pretend to prove? |
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"Suicides are going up, deaths from failure to test and treat existing NHS patients are going up, unemployment is going up, waiting lists are going up, mental illness is increasing but that's no problem.
Average deaths in the whole UK for the last 2 weeks are about 9 a day (where CV19 is mentioned - not necessarily where it has caused death). Twice as many died per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution.
Seems the irrational hysteria is still going up as well.
The latest figures for suicide is 2018 via the ONS..
What is your source for your claim that this has gone up this year please?
It's been on the news (BBC ITV)
this week. Particularly in the North.
Not being able to be treated for existing non covid diseases or conditions is a shameful failure."
It is. And we could help the health system and everyone suffering by doing our bit to contain Covid. |
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"Suicides are going up, deaths from failure to test and treat existing NHS patients are going up, unemployment is going up, waiting lists are going up, mental illness is increasing but that's no problem.
Average deaths in the whole UK for the last 2 weeks are about 9 a day (where CV19 is mentioned - not necessarily where it has caused death). Twice as many died per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution.
Seems the irrational hysteria is still going up as well.
The latest figures for suicide is 2018 via the ONS..
What is your source for your claim that this has gone up this year please?
It's been on the news (BBC ITV)
this week. Particularly in the North.
Not being able to be treated for existing non covid diseases or conditions is a shameful failure."
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"Suicides are going up, deaths from failure to test and treat existing NHS patients are going up, unemployment is going up, waiting lists are going up, mental illness is increasing but that's no problem.
Average deaths in the whole UK for the last 2 weeks are about 9 a day (where CV19 is mentioned - not necessarily where it has caused death). Twice as many died per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution.
Seems the irrational hysteria is still going up as well.
The latest figures for suicide is 2018 via the ONS..
What is your source for your claim that this has gone up this year please?
It's been on the news (BBC ITV)
this week. Particularly in the North.
Not being able to be treated for existing non covid diseases or conditions is a shameful failure.
It is. And we could help the health system and everyone suffering by doing our bit to contain Covid."
And that would be a sound argument for people taking some personal responsibility for their choices rather than just hurling out unfounded but none the less sensational statements that it is somebody else's fault for the strain on the NHS. We won't know the impact of the gp and NHS being hard to access for a few years.... But from what I've seen, removing the access to a gp or a and e because someone has a hang nail has not caused as big a problem as we would have all anticipated. Got to say getting to see a gp is harder than the winning lottery but I'm still here for now. |
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"Suicides are going up, deaths from failure to test and treat existing NHS patients are going up, unemployment is going up, waiting lists are going up, mental illness is increasing but that's no problem.
Average deaths in the whole UK for the last 2 weeks are about 9 a day (where CV19 is mentioned - not necessarily where it has caused death). Twice as many died per day from suicide and ten times as many from air pollution.
Seems the irrational hysteria is still going up as well.
The latest figures for suicide is 2018 via the ONS..
What is your source for your claim that this has gone up this year please?
It's been on the news (BBC ITV)
this week. Particularly in the North.
Not being able to be treated for existing non covid diseases or conditions is a shameful failure.
It is. And we could help the health system and everyone suffering by doing our bit to contain Covid.
And that would be a sound argument for people taking some personal responsibility for their choices rather than just hurling out unfounded but none the less sensational statements that it is somebody else's fault for the strain on the NHS. We won't know the impact of the gp and NHS being hard to access for a few years.... But from what I've seen, removing the access to a gp or a and e because someone has a hang nail has not caused as big a problem as we would have all anticipated. Got to say getting to see a gp is harder than the winning lottery but I'm still here for now. "
This is what I know. The R rate for Covid is between 2 and 2.5 without controls. How many people I'd infect. If I fall/ was ill (I had a presumed case), then me reducing my in person contact with others reduces my risk to others (I think in March or April they said 70% cut meant you infected 0.3 of a person - so 10 infectious people with 70% cut infected 3 rather than 20 to 25). If I don't infect those people, they don't infect others or have to make the choice.
If people don't fall ill, the strain on the NHS and other parts of our society is eased.
So I do my bit and think others should do the same.
There are other issues but that's a taking political action issue. |
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