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Until yesterday they were going up but rise slowing down. They are getting nearly 30000 new cases a day. Thankfully the death rate is not shooting up around a 100 deaths a day. The 2 worrying things are the amount of people in ICU is still going up fairly quickly and also what will happen once they release lockdown. |
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"Until yesterday they were going up but rise slowing down. They are getting nearly 30000 new cases a day. Thankfully the death rate is not shooting up around a 100 deaths a day. The 2 worrying things are the amount of people in ICU is still going up fairly quickly and also what will happen once they release lockdown."
Spain ?
I think we're looking at dramatic different figures
Worldometer clearly shows a drop from a peak of 8-9000 a day at the begining of Sept to 3-4000 a day now and the graph makes it really clear |
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"Until yesterday they were going up but rise slowing down. They are getting nearly 30000 new cases a day. Thankfully the death rate is not shooting up around a 100 deaths a day. The 2 worrying things are the amount of people in ICU is still going up fairly quickly and also what will happen once they release lockdown.
Spain ?
I think we're looking at dramatic different figures
Worldometer clearly shows a drop from a peak of 8-9000 a day at the begining of Sept to 3-4000 a day now and the graph makes it really clear "
Thanks for the updated data. You are right but as you said early days. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why."
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A second wanna requires the first wave to have gone, all were doing is flattening the curve into a series of peaks and troughs so as not to overwhelm the NHS, the clue was at the beginning when witty quite clearly showed a graph with ups and downs, we went down and now we're going back up again and hopefully the measures will make it go back down again only for it to rise again sometime in the future.
I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this rise in cases, it's exactly what was expected. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why."
Or you can look at the truth instead
Personal choice I suppose. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why..
A second wanna requires the first wave to have gone, all were doing is flattening the curve into a series of peaks and troughs so as not to overwhelm the NHS, the clue was at the beginning when witty quite clearly showed a graph with ups and downs, we went down and now we're going back up again and hopefully the measures will make it go back down again only for it to rise again sometime in the future.
I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this rise in cases, it's exactly what was expected."
Indeed, but there is still no room for complacency, it's still as deadly and still as infectious. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why."
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors? |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why.
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors?"
It doesn't matter who knows what, all it takes is a 1/2 second glance at the infection graph to see two distinct peaks
They're called "waves" because they go up and down again in a sinusoidal like curve for anyone that is confused.
That's not to say the second "peak" will follow the same curve as the first but hopefully it will. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why.
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors?"
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What type of engineer is he? |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why.
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors?.
What type of engineer is he?"
A chemical engineer who's made a career for himself "knowing more than the doctors do".
So... a maverick. Galileo might have been right when the establishment was wrong, but that kind of stuff is increasingly improbable in this day and age. The Galileo gambit is a fallacy.
So "brave maverick telling the establishment what's what" has jumped from his quackery of choice to the crisis drawing lots of quackery. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why.
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors?.
What type of engineer is he?
A chemical engineer who's made a career for himself "knowing more than the doctors do".
So... a maverick. Galileo might have been right when the establishment was wrong, but that kind of stuff is increasingly improbable in this day and age. The Galileo gambit is a fallacy.
So "brave maverick telling the establishment what's what" has jumped from his quackery of choice to the crisis drawing lots of quackery."
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The day and age make no difference, science works on probability and predictability, if your model of deaths is out by some considerable factor it's a bad model,ours was appallingly bad the Swedes seem to be more accurate at this stage in the game but only time will tell. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why..
A second wanna requires the first wave to have gone, all were doing is flattening the curve into a series of peaks and troughs so as not to overwhelm the NHS, the clue was at the beginning when witty quite clearly showed a graph with ups and downs, we went down and now we're going back up again and hopefully the measures will make it go back down again only for it to rise again sometime in the future.
I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this rise in cases, it's exactly what was expected."
“....... I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this rise in cases, it's exactly what was expected.....”
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Yes it’s actually what was expected. The big deal is when you don’t do anything about it - the rise in cases.
Thankfully measures / restrictions are being put in place to flatten the curve. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why.
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors?.
What type of engineer is he?
A chemical engineer who's made a career for himself "knowing more than the doctors do".
So... a maverick. Galileo might have been right when the establishment was wrong, but that kind of stuff is increasingly improbable in this day and age. The Galileo gambit is a fallacy.
So "brave maverick telling the establishment what's what" has jumped from his quackery of choice to the crisis drawing lots of quackery..
The day and age make no difference, science works on probability and predictability, if your model of deaths is out by some considerable factor it's a bad model,ours was appallingly bad the Swedes seem to be more accurate at this stage in the game but only time will tell."
Science works through the scientific method. Which didn't exist in Galileo's time.
Galileo could be right and the establishment wrong because the establishment was monolithic and tied to dogma.
A modern day "Galileo" is much more likely to be a fruitloop, because the scientific method involves a huge variety of people who gain prestige from finding the correct answer, including proving their colleagues wrong. Peer review etc. |
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... or, I hope the next time your boiler breaks, I sincerely hope you consider that you need an exorcism rather than calling for repairs, because expertise? some dude on the internet thinks it might be demon possession, and maybe he's the next Galileo! |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why.
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors?.
What type of engineer is he?
A chemical engineer who's made a career for himself "knowing more than the doctors do".
So... a maverick. Galileo might have been right when the establishment was wrong, but that kind of stuff is increasingly improbable in this day and age. The Galileo gambit is a fallacy.
So "brave maverick telling the establishment what's what" has jumped from his quackery of choice to the crisis drawing lots of quackery..
The day and age make no difference, science works on probability and predictability, if your model of deaths is out by some considerable factor it's a bad model,ours was appallingly bad the Swedes seem to be more accurate at this stage in the game but only time will tell.
Science works through the scientific method. Which didn't exist in Galileo's time.
Galileo could be right and the establishment wrong because the establishment was monolithic and tied to dogma.
A modern day "Galileo" is much more likely to be a fruitloop, because the scientific method involves a huge variety of people who gain prestige from finding the correct answer, including proving their colleagues wrong. Peer review etc."
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Dogma still exists, have you not heard of the reproduction problem in science? It's the biggest never heard of scandal in the last 30 years and it especially affects medical science. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why.
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors?.
What type of engineer is he?
A chemical engineer who's made a career for himself "knowing more than the doctors do".
So... a maverick. Galileo might have been right when the establishment was wrong, but that kind of stuff is increasingly improbable in this day and age. The Galileo gambit is a fallacy.
So "brave maverick telling the establishment what's what" has jumped from his quackery of choice to the crisis drawing lots of quackery..
The day and age make no difference, science works on probability and predictability, if your model of deaths is out by some considerable factor it's a bad model,ours was appallingly bad the Swedes seem to be more accurate at this stage in the game but only time will tell.
Science works through the scientific method. Which didn't exist in Galileo's time.
Galileo could be right and the establishment wrong because the establishment was monolithic and tied to dogma.
A modern day "Galileo" is much more likely to be a fruitloop, because the scientific method involves a huge variety of people who gain prestige from finding the correct answer, including proving their colleagues wrong. Peer review etc..
Dogma still exists, have you not heard of the reproduction problem in science? It's the biggest never heard of scandal in the last 30 years and it especially affects medical science."
Sure have. Doesn't mean some crackpot sticking it to the man knows anything about anything. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why."
There's a secret to having a relaxed, happier and prolonged life.
Stop watching crap videos on YouTube. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why.
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors?.
What type of engineer is he?
A chemical engineer who's made a career for himself "knowing more than the doctors do".
So... a maverick. Galileo might have been right when the establishment was wrong, but that kind of stuff is increasingly improbable in this day and age. The Galileo gambit is a fallacy.
So "brave maverick telling the establishment what's what" has jumped from his quackery of choice to the crisis drawing lots of quackery..
The day and age make no difference, science works on probability and predictability, if your model of deaths is out by some considerable factor it's a bad model,ours was appallingly bad the Swedes seem to be more accurate at this stage in the game but only time will tell.
Science works through the scientific method. Which didn't exist in Galileo's time.
Galileo could be right and the establishment wrong because the establishment was monolithic and tied to dogma.
A modern day "Galileo" is much more likely to be a fruitloop, because the scientific method involves a huge variety of people who gain prestige from finding the correct answer, including proving their colleagues wrong. Peer review etc..
Dogma still exists, have you not heard of the reproduction problem in science? It's the biggest never heard of scandal in the last 30 years and it especially affects medical science.
Sure have. Doesn't mean some crackpot sticking it to the man knows anything about anything."
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I never said it did, I was refuting your argument that peer reviewed MUST be correct when we in fact know over 50% is unreproducible!.
Assertions based on statistics and evidence is actually the scientific method, this guy simply hasn't been challenged on his but your free to have a go at them. |
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"Just heard that Spain and France has gone up. More hospitalizations "
I heard a lot of stuff, pity most if it was pure shite
The truth is easily found, all countries publish their daily statistics on a site called worldometer, I guess its more accurate than facebook |
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"Not been through peer review. Should face up to it if he wants to be taken seriously.
Not in the field, not likely he understands.
Crackpot."
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I said your free to have a go at his assertions and predictions not him personally, you've stated your always following the science and bang up to date so it shouldn't be hard for you to do it?. |
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"Not been through peer review. Should face up to it if he wants to be taken seriously.
Not in the field, not likely he understands.
Crackpot..
I said your free to have a go at his assertions and predictions not him personally, you've stated your always following the science and bang up to date so it shouldn't be hard for you to do it?."
Cue the many links to BBC, Guardian, WHO, Hopkins, Oxford, GAVI.....can anyone point out something that links these organisations?
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"Not been through peer review. Should face up to it if he wants to be taken seriously.
Not in the field, not likely he understands.
Crackpot..
I said your free to have a go at his assertions and predictions not him personally, you've stated your always following the science and bang up to date so it shouldn't be hard for you to do it?."
I considered whether it'd be worth my time. I saw his reputation and I declined.
I'm free to decide whether to waste my time. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why..
A second wanna requires the first wave to have gone, all were doing is flattening the curve into a series of peaks and troughs so as not to overwhelm the NHS, the clue was at the beginning when witty quite clearly showed a graph with ups and downs, we went down and now we're going back up again and hopefully the measures will make it go back down again only for it to rise again sometime in the future.
I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this rise in cases, it's exactly what was expected.
“....... I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this rise in cases, it's exactly what was expected.....”
————————-
Yes it’s actually what was expected. The big deal is when you don’t do anything about it - the rise in cases.
Thankfully measures / restrictions are being put in place to flatten the curve. "
There is no second wave... Gotta love it... Even though if you look at the graphs it looks exactly like there are two waves... Still... There is no second wave. Freedom of expression is a beautiful thing. |
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"Not been through peer review. Should face up to it if he wants to be taken seriously.
Not in the field, not likely he understands.
Crackpot..
I said your free to have a go at his assertions and predictions not him personally, you've stated your always following the science and bang up to date so it shouldn't be hard for you to do it?.
Cue the many links to BBC, Guardian, WHO, Hopkins, Oxford, GAVI.....can anyone point out something that links these organisations?
2 free masks, bottle of hand sanitiser and a six pack of bogroll to the winner "
They're all organisations that deal in facts and not bullshit?
You can keep the masks thanks, I've got plenty. |
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"Not been through peer review. Should face up to it if he wants to be taken seriously.
Not in the field, not likely he understands.
Crackpot..
I said your free to have a go at his assertions and predictions not him personally, you've stated your always following the science and bang up to date so it shouldn't be hard for you to do it?.
Cue the many links to BBC, Guardian, WHO, Hopkins, Oxford, GAVI.....can anyone point out something that links these organisations?
2 free masks, bottle of hand sanitiser and a six pack of bogroll to the winner
They're all organisations that deal in facts and not bullshit?
You can keep the masks thanks, I've got plenty."
Yeah, I'm getting tired of reputable resources being maligned as being among the sheeple.
I prefer to be informed about facts, not be fed horse shit. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why..
A second wanna requires the first wave to have gone, all were doing is flattening the curve into a series of peaks and troughs so as not to overwhelm the NHS, the clue was at the beginning when witty quite clearly showed a graph with ups and downs, we went down and now we're going back up again and hopefully the measures will make it go back down again only for it to rise again sometime in the future.
I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this rise in cases, it's exactly what was expected.
“....... I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this rise in cases, it's exactly what was expected.....”
————————-
Yes it’s actually what was expected. The big deal is when you don’t do anything about it - the rise in cases.
Thankfully measures / restrictions are being put in place to flatten the curve.
There is no second wave... Gotta love it... Even though if you look at the graphs it looks exactly like there are two waves... Still... There is no second wave. Freedom of expression is a beautiful thing. "
“....... There is no second wave.....”
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Neither myself nor the poster I was responding to mentioned anything about ‘waves’.
We talked about a ‘rise in infections‘. The rise in infections is not an opinion, it’s a Fact !!
You can exercise your ‘freedom of expression’ and deny the rise in infection if you wish, but all you would be doing is denying the Facts.
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"Not been through peer review. Should face up to it if he wants to be taken seriously.
Not in the field, not likely he understands.
Crackpot..
I said your free to have a go at his assertions and predictions not him personally, you've stated your always following the science and bang up to date so it shouldn't be hard for you to do it?.
Cue the many links to BBC, Guardian, WHO, Hopkins, Oxford, GAVI.....can anyone point out something that links these organisations?
2 free masks, bottle of hand sanitiser and a six pack of bogroll to the winner
They're all organisations that deal in facts and not bullshit?
You can keep the masks thanks, I've got plenty.
Yeah, I'm getting tired of reputable resources being maligned as being among the sheeple.
I prefer to be informed about facts, not be fed horse shit."
I fear it's only going to get worse. |
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"Not been through peer review. Should face up to it if he wants to be taken seriously.
Not in the field, not likely he understands.
Crackpot..
I said your free to have a go at his assertions and predictions not him personally, you've stated your always following the science and bang up to date so it shouldn't be hard for you to do it?.
Cue the many links to BBC, Guardian, WHO, Hopkins, Oxford, GAVI.....can anyone point out something that links these organisations?
2 free masks, bottle of hand sanitiser and a six pack of bogroll to the winner
They're all organisations that deal in facts and not bullshit?
You can keep the masks thanks, I've got plenty.
Yeah, I'm getting tired of reputable resources being maligned as being among the sheeple.
I prefer to be informed about facts, not be fed horse shit.
I fear it's only going to get worse."
I agree  |
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"Not been through peer review. Should face up to it if he wants to be taken seriously.
Not in the field, not likely he understands.
Crackpot..
I said your free to have a go at his assertions and predictions not him personally, you've stated your always following the science and bang up to date so it shouldn't be hard for you to do it?.
Cue the many links to BBC, Guardian, WHO, Hopkins, Oxford, GAVI.....can anyone point out something that links these organisations?
2 free masks, bottle of hand sanitiser and a six pack of bogroll to the winner
They're all organisations that deal in facts and not bullshit?
You can keep the masks thanks, I've got plenty.
Yeah, I'm getting tired of reputable resources being maligned as being among the sheeple.
I prefer to be informed about facts, not be fed horse shit.
I fear it's only going to get worse.
I agree "
That would.delemd on the attitude of the population, we have already reduced infections, we have learned a lot about transmission and treatment, we can and will get through it
BUT we need to educate the walking dead into the fact that it's still there, still as infectious and still as deadly. Easier said than done unfortunately. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why.
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors?.
What type of engineer is he?
A chemical engineer who's made a career for himself "knowing more than the doctors do".
So... a maverick. Galileo might have been right when the establishment was wrong, but that kind of stuff is increasingly improbable in this day and age. The Galileo gambit is a fallacy.
So "brave maverick telling the establishment what's what" has jumped from his quackery of choice to the crisis drawing lots of quackery..
The day and age make no difference, science works on probability and predictability, if your model of deaths is out by some considerable factor it's a bad model,ours was appallingly bad the Swedes seem to be more accurate at this stage in the game but only time will tell.
Science works through the scientific method. Which didn't exist in Galileo's time.
Galileo could be right and the establishment wrong because the establishment was monolithic and tied to dogma.
A modern day "Galileo" is much more likely to be a fruitloop, because the scientific method involves a huge variety of people who gain prestige from finding the correct answer, including proving their colleagues wrong. Peer review etc."
The thing is the establishment knew Galileo was right. The Heliocentric model had been accepted years before when Copernicus discovered it. The major difference was it didn't fit with what the establishment was peddling.
The Covid "Whistleblowers" or nut jobs are closer to L Ron Hubbard than Galileo. In that they are not right to begin with. |
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"There is no second wave
Watch the very recent video
"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"
on Youtube for a detailed explanation why.
Why does an engineer know more than virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists, immunologists, or doctors?.
What type of engineer is he?
A chemical engineer who's made a career for himself "knowing more than the doctors do".
So... a maverick. Galileo might have been right when the establishment was wrong, but that kind of stuff is increasingly improbable in this day and age. The Galileo gambit is a fallacy.
So "brave maverick telling the establishment what's what" has jumped from his quackery of choice to the crisis drawing lots of quackery..
The day and age make no difference, science works on probability and predictability, if your model of deaths is out by some considerable factor it's a bad model,ours was appallingly bad the Swedes seem to be more accurate at this stage in the game but only time will tell.
Science works through the scientific method. Which didn't exist in Galileo's time.
Galileo could be right and the establishment wrong because the establishment was monolithic and tied to dogma.
A modern day "Galileo" is much more likely to be a fruitloop, because the scientific method involves a huge variety of people who gain prestige from finding the correct answer, including proving their colleagues wrong. Peer review etc.
The thing is the establishment knew Galileo was right. The Heliocentric model had been accepted years before when Copernicus discovered it. The major difference was it didn't fit with what the establishment was peddling.
The Covid "Whistleblowers" or nut jobs are closer to L Ron Hubbard than Galileo. In that they are not right to begin with. "
Quite. But lots of nutjobs scream that they're right like Galileo.
Bollocks they are. |
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"Until yesterday they were going up but rise slowing down. They are getting nearly 30000 new cases a day. Thankfully the death rate is not shooting up around a 100 deaths a day. The 2 worrying things are the amount of people in ICU is still going up fairly quickly and also what will happen once they release lockdown.
Spain ?
I think we're looking at dramatic different figures
Worldometer clearly shows a drop from a peak of 8-9000 a day at the begining of Sept to 3-4000 a day now and the graph makes it really clear "
Has Spain been locked down again? Or just locally like here? |
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"Until yesterday they were going up but rise slowing down. They are getting nearly 30000 new cases a day. Thankfully the death rate is not shooting up around a 100 deaths a day. The 2 worrying things are the amount of people in ICU is still going up fairly quickly and also what will happen once they release lockdown.
Spain ?
I think we're looking at dramatic different figures
Worldometer clearly shows a drop from a peak of 8-9000 a day at the begining of Sept to 3-4000 a day now and the graph makes it really clear
Has Spain been locked down again? Or just locally like here?"
No we're not in lockdown. Just various restrictions in place including compulsory mask wearing. |
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"Until yesterday they were going up but rise slowing down. They are getting nearly 30000 new cases a day. Thankfully the death rate is not shooting up around a 100 deaths a day. The 2 worrying things are the amount of people in ICU is still going up fairly quickly and also what will happen once they release lockdown.
Spain ?
I think we're looking at dramatic different figures
Worldometer clearly shows a drop from a peak of 8-9000 a day at the begining of Sept to 3-4000 a day now and the graph makes it really clear
Has Spain been locked down again? Or just locally like here?
No we're not in lockdown. Just various restrictions in place including compulsory mask wearing."
What is the general feeling of the people there?
I miss the 'we're all in it together' feeling that was here in the first weeks of lockdown. |
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"Until yesterday they were going up but rise slowing down. They are getting nearly 30000 new cases a day. Thankfully the death rate is not shooting up around a 100 deaths a day. The 2 worrying things are the amount of people in ICU is still going up fairly quickly and also what will happen once they release lockdown.
Spain ?
I think we're looking at dramatic different figures
Worldometer clearly shows a drop from a peak of 8-9000 a day at the begining of Sept to 3-4000 a day now and the graph makes it really clear
Has Spain been locked down again? Or just locally like here?
No we're not in lockdown. Just various restrictions in place including compulsory mask wearing.
What is the general feeling of the people there?
I miss the 'we're all in it together' feeling that was here in the first weeks of lockdown. "
The attitudes are similar to the UK I think, but people here are generally more compliant as the police don't mess about and fines are commonplace |
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