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over a year ago
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How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress. |
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Wow that sounds like a recipe for disaster. I’m fairly confident it’s nothing like that at my daughter’s school. We are asked to remind the children daily about mask wearing in corridors, storage of masks when not being worn, social distancing, going outside when it’s their allotted time, wearing a different mask on the school coach and storing it etc etc. There are robust rules in place and children not following them will be dealt with accordingly. There have been hundreds of pictures posted on the social media platforms the school uses showing the new way of being at school in action. Yesterday we received a 6 page newsletter from the head asking for continued support from parents and areas where things could improve. This is nothing less than I would expect for the safety of the staff and children. I want my child in school and I will endeavour to assist in any way I can to keep everyone safe.
I’m sorry that you are having to work in such a hostile environment x |
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress."
We are lucky that our local area has a very low infection rate. We don't want the kids wearing masks (although they can if they want) as they are uncomfortable and de-personalising, and the official guidance is not to wear masks in school. Our staff so far are happy to be back in the classroom and seem to be adapting well to the current environment, the kids also seem genuinely glad to be back at school.
There is a general feeling that The Government really don't care about school staff though, there was a lot of talk about how "low risk" the kids are but no interest in the health and safety of staff.
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress."
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this |
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My child started back at school on Monday.
They were in bubbles all day in the classrooms. Teachers came to them rather than them going to different classrooms. All well and good.
Then at home time they let them all out at the same time, it was like a rugby scrum on the pavements outside the school. No social distancing., no staggered finishing times.
So the daytime bubbles were pretty pointless. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"My child started back at school on Monday.
They were in bubbles all day in the classrooms. Teachers came to them rather than them going to different classrooms. All well and good.
Then at home time they let them all out at the same time, it was like a rugby scrum on the pavements outside the school. No social distancing., no staggered finishing times.
So the daytime bubbles were pretty pointless."
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over a year ago
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress."
That has been the same for all front line workers that have worked all the way through this without a break  |
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Thing that I find difficult to believe is that if a child tests positive and the bubble has to isolate the teacher doesn’t. That’s madness as then the teacher may spread it to all the pupils.
Over 500 schools have had cases and needed to partially or completely close so far.
Week 1 done is it half term yet. |
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They have year bubbles at my kids school and staggered times to start and finish school plus lessons end at different times too so all the year groups aren’t in the corridors at the same time. They aren’t being encouraged to wear a mask though, which I think they should whilst going to each lesson |
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this"
You cannot make children wear masks or socially distance ..... the government do not require children to socially distance from each other.
School management are bleeding through the eyes trying to make it all work. There isn’t enough time in the day to allow for enough lesson time, breaks for the children, staggered lunches, cleaning of desks, walking from one class to the next. Teachers rarely got their legal requirement of breaks before this it’s a million time’s worse now.
The governments policy means that schools have to carry on as normal with no social distancing and teachers somehow have to protect themselves with no PPE and no social distancing. There is no extra budget for cleaners and this means teachers are having to clean their classes or have them dirty. That alongside with managing anxious children and parents means an extremely stressful workplace. |
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"Thing that I find difficult to believe is that if a child tests positive and the bubble has to isolate the teacher doesn’t. That’s madness as then the teacher may spread it to all the pupils.
Over 500 schools have had cases and needed to partially or completely close so far.
Week 1 done is it half term yet. "
Perhaps it's because research shows pupils almost never infect the teacher. |
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this  "
Well said classed as a key worker myself not had 6 months of like most of these teachers time to suck it up and carry on like the rest of us |
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over a year ago
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress."
For most people it's been an awful experience talking to my friends with children. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I don't doubt that it's not been easy for any key worker throughout this, however seeing the cases rising exponentially there are lots of worried people in all work places. There are more people travelling on public transport and schools are breeding grounds at the moment. I don't know what the solution is! |
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this
Well said classed as a key worker myself not had 6 months of like most of these teachers time to suck it up and carry on like the rest of us "
The biggest message my school is giving this week is that you don't know what experiences other people have had and we need to be careful to not make assumptions or judgements. Kindness goes a long way and is certainly more attractive than unfounded statements. |
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"I don't doubt that it's not been easy for any key worker throughout this, however seeing the cases rising exponentially there are lots of worried people in all work places. There are more people travelling on public transport and schools are breeding grounds at the moment. I don't know what the solution is!"
The solution is obviously a vaccine, but that unfortunately takes time.
I personally would like to see all national restrictions deferred to local authorities. There are many areas with really low infection rates that could be allowed to return to somewhere near normal life. Then local restrictions can target areas with a higher infection rate. This way the impact on the economy could be reduced whilst targeting the resources where they are actually needed.
It would also be beneficial to carry out weekly mass testing of people in high contact areas such as schools, hospitals, supermarkets etc... (anywhere were staff have contact with hundreds of people). This would make it easier to identify increasing infection rates earlier.
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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My daughters school have been amazing, staggered start and end times, staggered break and lunch times, they have split the school in half, one half for years 10 and 11, one half for 7, 8 and 9, masks everywhere except classrooms and outside, cleaners cleaning high traffic areas and toilets every 30 minutes, sanitizer stations in every classroom and corridor, one way stair system, teachers posted around the school to ensure the rules are being followed.
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this "
To be honest that was my thoughts too. When the pandemic was really high and having to see people close up (at that point without masks unless people were symptomatic) and the potential to be redeployed to a high risk covid area at any point. Well that’s stress. |
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Stress is a personal perception of your own situation. Some people are more susceptible to stress or a particular stressor than others, it doesn't make their stress any less real. This is one of the reasons that mental health issues are so misunderstood.
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"Thing that I find difficult to believe is that if a child tests positive and the bubble has to isolate the teacher doesn’t. That’s madness as then the teacher may spread it to all the pupils.
Over 500 schools have had cases and needed to partially or completely close so far.
Week 1 done is it half term yet.
Perhaps it's because research shows pupils almost never infect the teacher."
Do You have a link to this research - recent schools closing I think tells a different story. |
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this
To be honest that was my thoughts too. When the pandemic was really high and having to see people close up (at that point without masks unless people were symptomatic) and the potential to be redeployed to a high risk covid area at any point. Well that’s stress. "
So you have worked as a teacher in a large secondary? You can compare the two experiences / workplaces objectively and based upon actual knowledge?  |
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"Yes I work in a school you are completely right it's a nightmare 8 schools have already closed in my area due to teachers, and students haveing covid"
I really do sympathise with you.... it is obvious particularly in areas with a high incidence of Covid that pupils should be tested weekly... in fact it should become countrywide. It would restore confidence and reduce stress. |
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this
To be honest that was my thoughts too. When the pandemic was really high and having to see people close up (at that point without masks unless people were symptomatic) and the potential to be redeployed to a high risk covid area at any point. Well that’s stress.
So you have worked as a teacher in a large secondary? You can compare the two experiences / workplaces objectively and based upon actual knowledge? "
 this ...... easy to assume isn’t it I also didn’t realise it was a competition. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I didn't intend for this post to be a competition from some regarding the issues where you work and who has it worst off.
The routines that schools have to put in place are amazing, to keep year groups separate and the added times on timetables to supervise classes in between lessons is phenomenal. Staff have to walk around with trolleys with books and resources all day and maybe face challenging behaviour. On a normal school day this can be hard but it really is taking it's toll on wellbeing. Yes I know everyone in the work place has is hard but I'm just hoping it gets easier to adjust |
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this
You cannot make children wear masks or socially distance ..... the government do not require children to socially distance from each other.
School management are bleeding through the eyes trying to make it all work. There isn’t enough time in the day to allow for enough lesson time, breaks for the children, staggered lunches, cleaning of desks, walking from one class to the next. Teachers rarely got their legal requirement of breaks before this it’s a million time’s worse now.
The governments policy means that schools have to carry on as normal with no social distancing and teachers somehow have to protect themselves with no PPE and no social distancing. There is no extra budget for cleaners and this means teachers are having to clean their classes or have them dirty. That alongside with managing anxious children and parents means an extremely stressful workplace. "
This! I’m on my knees and only 2 weeks in. Then get management telling us to focus on establishing new routines and getting the children settled and then get told there’s lesson observations next week. Ffs! Takes most the “lesson” getting hands washed etc and getting the poor things to remember what school is for!  |
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Ours are in primary school still but it's a complete mess. Within 2 weeks there's a cold spreading around the whole school Which just shows how quickly any virus can run through the place even with all of their restrictions. |
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over a year ago
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"I can assure you ime in a secondary school kids students do not listen,bubbles lol they does as they like ,its only going to get worse sorry to say "
I agree. Because they're in one classroom for most of the day they're like caged animals by the afternoon. Some staff didn't get a dinner break as the timetable was so complicated. We're having a completely new one next week. |
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over a year ago
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this
You cannot make children wear masks or socially distance ..... the government do not require children to socially distance from each other.
School management are bleeding through the eyes trying to make it all work. There isn’t enough time in the day to allow for enough lesson time, breaks for the children, staggered lunches, cleaning of desks, walking from one class to the next. Teachers rarely got their legal requirement of breaks before this it’s a million time’s worse now.
The governments policy means that schools have to carry on as normal with no social distancing and teachers somehow have to protect themselves with no PPE and no social distancing. There is no extra budget for cleaners and this means teachers are having to clean their classes or have them dirty. That alongside with managing anxious children and parents means an extremely stressful workplace.
This! I’m on my knees and only 2 weeks in. Then get management telling us to focus on establishing new routines and getting the children settled and then get told there’s lesson observations next week. Ffs! Takes most the “lesson” getting hands washed etc and getting the poor things to remember what school is for! "
That's disgusting you're getting observed already! Hope you're in a union |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this
You cannot make children wear masks or socially distance ..... the government do not require children to socially distance from each other.
School management are bleeding through the eyes trying to make it all work. There isn’t enough time in the day to allow for enough lesson time, breaks for the children, staggered lunches, cleaning of desks, walking from one class to the next. Teachers rarely got their legal requirement of breaks before this it’s a million time’s worse now.
The governments policy means that schools have to carry on as normal with no social distancing and teachers somehow have to protect themselves with no PPE and no social distancing. There is no extra budget for cleaners and this means teachers are having to clean their classes or have them dirty. That alongside with managing anxious children and parents means an extremely stressful workplace. "
This isn't true, there are plenty of schools that are managing this very well, the teachers have PPE, they distance themselves from the kids, there are staggered break times etc.
It seems to be poor management by the school in some cases. |
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over a year ago
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this
You cannot make children wear masks or socially distance ..... the government do not require children to socially distance from each other.
School management are bleeding through the eyes trying to make it all work. There isn’t enough time in the day to allow for enough lesson time, breaks for the children, staggered lunches, cleaning of desks, walking from one class to the next. Teachers rarely got their legal requirement of breaks before this it’s a million time’s worse now.
The governments policy means that schools have to carry on as normal with no social distancing and teachers somehow have to protect themselves with no PPE and no social distancing. There is no extra budget for cleaners and this means teachers are having to clean their classes or have them dirty. That alongside with managing anxious children and parents means an extremely stressful workplace.
This isn't true, there are plenty of schools that are managing this very well, the teachers have PPE, they distance themselves from the kids, there are staggered break times etc.
It seems to be poor management by the school in some cases. "
Depends on the type of school you work in and the behaviour of the students. One size doesn't fit all. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this
You cannot make children wear masks or socially distance ..... the government do not require children to socially distance from each other.
School management are bleeding through the eyes trying to make it all work. There isn’t enough time in the day to allow for enough lesson time, breaks for the children, staggered lunches, cleaning of desks, walking from one class to the next. Teachers rarely got their legal requirement of breaks before this it’s a million time’s worse now.
The governments policy means that schools have to carry on as normal with no social distancing and teachers somehow have to protect themselves with no PPE and no social distancing. There is no extra budget for cleaners and this means teachers are having to clean their classes or have them dirty. That alongside with managing anxious children and parents means an extremely stressful workplace.
This isn't true, there are plenty of schools that are managing this very well, the teachers have PPE, they distance themselves from the kids, there are staggered break times etc.
It seems to be poor management by the school in some cases.
Depends on the type of school you work in and the behaviour of the students. One size doesn't fit all. "
That's my point, it's crazy saying its the governments fault when there is mismanagement in the actual schools in some cases. |
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Out off 100 plus staff I only see 4 of them wearing masks they dont self distance nor do the kids and leicester is in a bad way again common sense people it's easy to monitor small schools you try with over a 1000 kids |
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over a year ago
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this
You cannot make children wear masks or socially distance ..... the government do not require children to socially distance from each other.
School management are bleeding through the eyes trying to make it all work. There isn’t enough time in the day to allow for enough lesson time, breaks for the children, staggered lunches, cleaning of desks, walking from one class to the next. Teachers rarely got their legal requirement of breaks before this it’s a million time’s worse now.
The governments policy means that schools have to carry on as normal with no social distancing and teachers somehow have to protect themselves with no PPE and no social distancing. There is no extra budget for cleaners and this means teachers are having to clean their classes or have them dirty. That alongside with managing anxious children and parents means an extremely stressful workplace.
This isn't true, there are plenty of schools that are managing this very well, the teachers have PPE, they distance themselves from the kids, there are staggered break times etc.
It seems to be poor management by the school in some cases.
Depends on the type of school you work in and the behaviour of the students. One size doesn't fit all.
That's my point, it's crazy saying its the governments fault when there is mismanagement in the actual schools in some cases. "
I think to be fair to management, no-one knew how it work til they saw it happen in practice. It's totally a new way of operating and there will be teething problems. I think they do care and acknowledge it's hard as they're constantly on duty all day with radios. It's the added issue of students being off school for so long and challenging authority. |
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"Out off 100 plus staff I only see 4 of them wearing masks they dont self distance nor do the kids and leicester is in a bad way again common sense people it's easy to monitor small schools you try with over a 1000 kids"
We have the same problems. Headteacher's are under immense pressure not to exclude for non compliance on a usual school day; this is even more to tackle. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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Had an email from our secondary school today saying there has been one positive case. That whole year bubble has now gone into self isolation.
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this "
Most teachers worked all the way through the spring dealing with key worker children. Who was looking after the children of the nhs staff who we applauded every Thursday.. Teachers
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this
Some teachers worked all the way through the spring dealing with key worker children. Who was looking after the children of the nhs staff who we applauded every Thursday.. Teachers
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this
Most teachers worked all the way through the spring dealing with key worker children. Who was looking after the children of the nhs staff who we applauded every Thursday.. Teachers
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Thank you!!! In full time throughout looking after key worker children then year 6. Plus doing online learning for those not in and trying to homeschool my own children. And then spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom and totally revamping planning to take account for lost learning. Plus another 2 weeks of it with covid.
Makes me fume when the teacher bashing “Yeah but you’ve been sitting on your arse doing sod all for months” brigade start |
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this
Most teachers worked all the way through the spring dealing with key worker children. Who was looking after the children of the nhs staff who we applauded every Thursday.. Teachers
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Thank you!!! In full time throughout looking after key worker children then year 6. Plus doing online learning for those not in and trying to homeschool my own children. And then spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom and totally revamping planning to take account for lost learning. Plus another 2 weeks of it with covid.
Makes me fume when the teacher bashing “Yeah but you’ve been sitting on your arse doing sod all for months” brigade start "
My sister is only a full time TA in a class room but still gets the 6 weeks paid you say you dont ????? |
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this"
Surely that is then a poorly managed school, having had time to organise things, you would have thought that those things would have been ironed out by now |
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this
Surely that is then a poorly managed school, having had time to organise things, you would have thought that those things would have been ironed out by now "
The breaks and lunch times have been sorted but the kids are hyper. I'd like anyone giving teachers a hard time on here try to manage behaviour of 30 kids and get them to learn in inner city schools where there maybe social problems, kids not being fed at home and facing safeguarding issues. All this on top of new routines. If you think it's that easy go get a teaching qualification. I love my job thankfully. No-one certainly goes into teaching for the money, but because they care. The problem with people teacher bashing is they criticise others based on their own school experience.
This post started out as a caring concern for fellow professionals. |
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?"
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours. |
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this
Surely that is then a poorly managed school, having had time to organise things, you would have thought that those things would have been ironed out by now
The breaks and lunch times have been sorted but the kids are hyper. I'd like anyone giving teachers a hard time on here try to manage behaviour of 30 kids and get them to learn in inner city schools where there maybe social problems, kids not being fed at home and facing safeguarding issues. All this on top of new routines. If you think it's that easy go get a teaching qualification. I love my job thankfully. No-one certainly goes into teaching for the money, but because they care. The problem with people teacher bashing is they criticise others based on their own school experience.
This post started out as a caring concern for fellow professionals. "
What about the teachers who have worked through at school with full lockdown in place, some of us just carry on and do what we have to do......sure everybody feels they have had more on their plate during this no matter the job they do, but your moaning after two weeks...... :  |
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this
Surely that is then a poorly managed school, having had time to organise things, you would have thought that those things would have been ironed out by now
The breaks and lunch times have been sorted but the kids are hyper. I'd like anyone giving teachers a hard time on here try to manage behaviour of 30 kids and get them to learn in inner city schools where there maybe social problems, kids not being fed at home and facing safeguarding issues. All this on top of new routines. If you think it's that easy go get a teaching qualification. I love my job thankfully. No-one certainly goes into teaching for the money, but because they care. The problem with people teacher bashing is they criticise others based on their own school experience.
This post started out as a caring concern for fellow professionals.
What about the teachers who have worked through at school with full lockdown in place, some of us just carry on and do what we have to do......sure everybody feels they have had more on their plate during this no matter the job they do, but your moaning after two weeks...... : "
I am concerned about social distancing, mask wearing and welfare of all if you read my initial post. I worked full time and more during lockdown. Check your facts before having a dig |
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"How's it been for people working in schools so far?
I've seen kids not taking mask wearing seriously. An inability to socially distance from colleagues and kids. Having to teach in 6 different classrooms a day and not having time for a break or to eat.
Only been in two weeks bods staff reduced to tears. There will be high staff absence due to stress.
Just a thought, isn't it the duty of educators to educate and that includes wearing of masks and social distancing ?
Aren't the school management in control of the timetable and breaks ?
I can't see how government policy is doing this
Surely that is then a poorly managed school, having had time to organise things, you would have thought that those things would have been ironed out by now
The breaks and lunch times have been sorted but the kids are hyper. I'd like anyone giving teachers a hard time on here try to manage behaviour of 30 kids and get them to learn in inner city schools where there maybe social problems, kids not being fed at home and facing safeguarding issues. All this on top of new routines. If you think it's that easy go get a teaching qualification. I love my job thankfully. No-one certainly goes into teaching for the money, but because they care. The problem with people teacher bashing is they criticise others based on their own school experience.
This post started out as a caring concern for fellow professionals.
What about the teachers who have worked through at school with full lockdown in place, some of us just carry on and do what we have to do......sure everybody feels they have had more on their plate during this no matter the job they do, but your moaning after two weeks...... :
I am concerned about social distancing, mask wearing and welfare of all if you read my initial post. I worked full time and more during lockdown. Check your facts before having a dig"
All the teachers were I work moan they shouldn't be there etc 5months there e had off been on holidays down the pub it's one big holiday moan they shouldn't be there none wear ppe or sanatise there rooms after each lesson wipes and spray un opend lol joke I say |
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over a year ago
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Mine go to a very small old built Primary School so space is very limited. They have had staggered return days and staggered start/finish times. Class bubbles etc. No breakfast club. No school dinners.
Tomorrow all the children return to School so will be interesting to see how that goes.
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"Mine go to a very small old built Primary School so space is very limited. They have had staggered return days and staggered start/finish times. Class bubbles etc. No breakfast club. No school dinners.
Tomorrow all the children return to School so will be interesting to see how that goes.
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Mines a old secondary school I work it's a nitemare 5 different age groups its impossible to keep them apart even with staggered breaks ime waiting for a case off it all schools around have |
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours."
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this? |
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this
Most teachers worked all the way through the spring dealing with key worker children. Who was looking after the children of the nhs staff who we applauded every Thursday.. Teachers
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Thank you!!! In full time throughout looking after key worker children then year 6. Plus doing online learning for those not in and trying to homeschool my own children. And then spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom and totally revamping planning to take account for lost learning. Plus another 2 weeks of it with covid.
Makes me fume when the teacher bashing “Yeah but you’ve been sitting on your arse doing sod all for months” brigade start "
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours.
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this? "
Most people believe they have a valid opinion because they went to school once upon a time.
I will offer my opinion to my dentist or doctor next time I go! |
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours.
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this?
Most people believe they have a valid opinion because they went to school once upon a time.
I will offer my opinion to my dentist or doctor next time I go! "
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours.
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this? "
And that's not counting all your time on evenings and weekends planning, marking and preparing resources. If you actually worked out your actual working hours on your annual salary it wouldn't be amazing pay. I don't know many teachers who only do their 1265 hours a year. It's a vocation and mostly unseen how people go the extra mile. Not counting on the sleepless nights being a form tutor worried about students and what personal difficulties they have to face |
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I wouldn’t be a teacher for all the money in the world. I think it’s become more and more challenging year on year. Yes not all teachers are brilliant as with any profession. The majority of teachers however go above and beyond especially those working in schools that have a high proportion of children that live in poverty etc. They don’t just teach they have to do the nurturing that’s lacking at home. They are like social workers having to deal with safeguarding amongst other things. It’s no shock that there needs to be incentives to encourage graduates to go into teaching. I know people who earn three times what teachers earn, work less hours and have a lot less stress. Covid is yet another stress the teachers now have to deal with. Depending where they teach will determine how stressful it’s going to be. So maybe we should try to support the teachers where possible because without them our children won’t get the education they deserve x |
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"I wouldn’t be a teacher for all the money in the world. I think it’s become more and more challenging year on year. Yes not all teachers are brilliant as with any profession. The majority of teachers however go above and beyond especially those working in schools that have a high proportion of children that live in poverty etc. They don’t just teach they have to do the nurturing that’s lacking at home. They are like social workers having to deal with safeguarding amongst other things. It’s no shock that there needs to be incentives to encourage graduates to go into teaching. I know people who earn three times what teachers earn, work less hours and have a lot less stress. Covid is yet another stress the teachers now have to deal with. Depending where they teach will determine how stressful it’s going to be. So maybe we should try to support the teachers where possible because without them our children won’t get the education they deserve x"
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"I wouldn’t be a teacher for all the money in the world. I think it’s become more and more challenging year on year. Yes not all teachers are brilliant as with any profession. The majority of teachers however go above and beyond especially those working in schools that have a high proportion of children that live in poverty etc. They don’t just teach they have to do the nurturing that’s lacking at home. They are like social workers having to deal with safeguarding amongst other things. It’s no shock that there needs to be incentives to encourage graduates to go into teaching. I know people who earn three times what teachers earn, work less hours and have a lot less stress. Covid is yet another stress the teachers now have to deal with. Depending where they teach will determine how stressful it’s going to be. So maybe we should try to support the teachers where possible because without them our children won’t get the education they deserve x"
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Three teaching staff off with possible covid today. Waiting to hear if there tests are positive. Not great at all. Admin staff got asked to check if kids have internet access at home. We'll be sending year groups home in on time! |
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"Two Teachers off at my school off with symptoms waiting for tests.
There a three children in three different schools with confirmed positive tests round here.
Cal"
782 schools across the UK with positive cases .... just mind blowing. |
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"Two Teachers off at my school off with symptoms waiting for tests.
There a three children in three different schools with confirmed positive tests round here.
Cal
782 schools across the UK with positive cases .... just mind blowing. "
My daughter’s school has just joined that statistic. A teacher has tested positive. Thankfully no close contact with anyone so no one other than the teacher needs to isolate. |
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All going well at our school, year bubbles, staggered start, break, lunch and finish time’s along with their own set entrance to school and route to class room. 85% and Father Time in the one classroom, those lessons that require a specific set room, or science / music / art they are taking place in the usual rooms but the lessons for each year have been grouped together in the week, rather than spread out over the week, with a clean in between (length of a lesson) for a clean.
Most the kids are wearing masks walking to school and those that wish to continue to wear them in school do. We don’t have the added problem of adults at pick up / drop off not following the basics. |
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over a year ago
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"All going well at our school, year bubbles, staggered start, break, lunch and finish time’s along with their own set entrance to school and route to class room. 85% and Father Time in the one classroom, those lessons that require a specific set room, or science / music / art they are taking place in the usual rooms but the lessons for each year have been grouped together in the week, rather than spread out over the week, with a clean in between (length of a lesson) for a clean.
Most the kids are wearing masks walking to school and those that wish to continue to wear them in school do. We don’t have the added problem of adults at pick up / drop off not following the basics. "
Same, it's running like clockwork at my daughter's school. |
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"All going well at our school, year bubbles, staggered start, break, lunch and finish time’s along with their own set entrance to school and route to class room. 85% and Father Time in the one classroom, those lessons that require a specific set room, or science / music / art they are taking place in the usual rooms but the lessons for each year have been grouped together in the week, rather than spread out over the week, with a clean in between (length of a lesson) for a clean.
Most the kids are wearing masks walking to school and those that wish to continue to wear them in school do. We don’t have the added problem of adults at pick up / drop off not following the basics.
Same, it's running like clockwork at my daughter's school. "
They’ve worked hard on the plan and the kids understand the differences to why the lessons how they are, even why they have different locations for their breaks, all are adapting well and honestly it’s good to see them laughing and joking again as they walk to / from school |
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By *ike 321Man
over a year ago
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Spurs chick and crimson are absolutely right !
In school is extremely hard work for all the adults and those knocking simply don’t understand!!
Empathy does require some brains ......many don’t appear to have much ,I blame the schools.....?? |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"All going well at our school, year bubbles, staggered start, break, lunch and finish time’s along with their own set entrance to school and route to class room. 85% and Father Time in the one classroom, those lessons that require a specific set room, or science / music / art they are taking place in the usual rooms but the lessons for each year have been grouped together in the week, rather than spread out over the week, with a clean in between (length of a lesson) for a clean.
Most the kids are wearing masks walking to school and those that wish to continue to wear them in school do. We don’t have the added problem of adults at pick up / drop off not following the basics.
Same, it's running like clockwork at my daughter's school.
They’ve worked hard on the plan and the kids understand the differences to why the lessons how they are, even why they have different locations for their breaks, all are adapting well and honestly it’s good to see them laughing and joking again as they walk to / from school "
Definitely, my daughters mood is so much better, she's the happy girl she was before lockdown. |
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I retired from teaching last year and know that my former colleagues worked their socks off during lockdown, and are still trying their damnedest to provide the best education they can under hugely complex guidelines.
I'm also the mum of a teenage boy who is thrilled to be in school again and understands why so many swingeing changes have been necessary.
Teaching is tough. They're doing a great job. Give them a break. |
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"Stress is a personal perception of your own situation. Some people are more susceptible to stress or a particular stressor than others, it doesn't make their stress any less real. This is one of the reasons that mental health issues are so misunderstood.
Cal"
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"All going well at our school, year bubbles, staggered start, break, lunch and finish time’s along with their own set entrance to school and route to class room. 85% and Father Time in the one classroom, those lessons that require a specific set room, or science / music / art they are taking place in the usual rooms but the lessons for each year have been grouped together in the week, rather than spread out over the week, with a clean in between (length of a lesson) for a clean.
Most the kids are wearing masks walking to school and those that wish to continue to wear them in school do. We don’t have the added problem of adults at pick up / drop off not following the basics.
Same, it's running like clockwork at my daughter's school.
They’ve worked hard on the plan and the kids understand the differences to why the lessons how they are, even why they have different locations for their breaks, all are adapting well and honestly it’s good to see them laughing and joking again as they walk to / from school "
Most kids are very capable, adaptable and resilient if we allow them / encourage them to be. Some will need a bit of support of course. But I'd imagine the biggest issue are with anxious parents coping with changes. Glad to hear it's working well for your school so far. Long may it continue. |
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"I’m sure a lot of schools are coping admirably but some seem to be sending children home if they so much as clear their throat in the classroom.
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If they cough twice they have to go home ... Education directives. Schools have little control over it and tbh I’m glad as you can never be sure. My colleague’s four year old had the sniffles no temp or sore throat but she has access to tests so tested her and was positive. I don’t know if the common cold is part of the same family of viruses or not as have seen conflicting info on that but this child had none of the symptoms stated so probably a cold and asymptomatic covid is what they’re now saying. Children are of course far more likely to be asymptomatic still I think. |
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"God help the private schools.
They will have boarders and day school kids, going to be fun with the bubbles in bubbles."
I know some private schools are testing their children weekly as at Cambridge Uni. It still astounds me that teachers don’t get tested weekly but lots of other professions do. |
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Steadily staff with symptoms increasingly every day. Yesterday 4, today 6. Just been told 7 tomorrow waiting for tests.
No message from management about staff being in contact to self isolate.
Looks like partial closure is imminent! |
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By *manda63Woman
over a year ago
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My secondary school I work for is doing everything possible. Separate year group bubbles for everything, including break and lunchtime. Kids wear masks in the public areas except for lessons and outside but some are wearing them outside. Some kids aren't as they are exempt, staff are wearing shields or masks. Everything is being cleaned, sanitiser stations everywhere. |
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"Steadily staff with symptoms increasingly every day. Yesterday 4, today 6. Just been told 7 tomorrow waiting for tests.
No message from management about staff being in contact to self isolate.
Looks like partial closure is imminent!"
3 kids in my sons year with symptoms can’t get tests though ... |
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over a year ago
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"I wouldn’t be a teacher for all the money in the world. I think it’s become more and more challenging year on year. Yes not all teachers are brilliant as with any profession. The majority of teachers however go above and beyond especially those working in schools that have a high proportion of children that live in poverty etc. They don’t just teach they have to do the nurturing that’s lacking at home. They are like social workers having to deal with safeguarding amongst other things. It’s no shock that there needs to be incentives to encourage graduates to go into teaching. I know people who earn three times what teachers earn, work less hours and have a lot less stress. Covid is yet another stress the teachers now have to deal with. Depending where they teach will determine how stressful it’s going to be. So maybe we should try to support the teachers where possible because without them our children won’t get the education they deserve x
No thanxs"
Pink is absolutely right and I don’t understand why people wouldn’t want to support their child’s school fully.
Out of all the key workers I feel that school staff have taken a lot of abuse and criticism. They stayed open - even though many didn’t realise it, because they don’t understand what they hear on the news. Schools were open, they are open now with measures in place.
You cannot stop a virus from spreading. People spread the virus. You have secondary schools with 2000+ children and staff and people expect miracles. There are only so many hours in a day and half of those are spent cleaning. People need to be realistic and they’re just not. It will cause pressure on remaining staff, increased cleaning, dealing with sometimes very rude parents, government constant changes and I do mean constant last minute changes.
This virus will continue us to spread. Teachers cannot stop it - despite the fact many people think they should solve all the world’s problems!
If you put thousands of people together, you have to take what comes. So many schools now have staff off, there are ‘bubbles’ of children off. Why the surprise? It was inevitable, expected even. Schools will do as much as they can. Miracles isn’t one of the things. I think school staff do a fantastic job and these are challenging times. We should be supportive, not adding to the pressure. |
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Well done to all trying to stay safe and make a difference to students!
9 staff off today with symptoms waiting to get tested. More and more off every day. Local schools are sending classes and year group bubbles home when there's been confirmed staff or student cases. How can schools continue when there's a lack of national tests? |
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this
Most teachers worked all the way through the spring dealing with key worker children. Who was looking after the children of the nhs staff who we applauded every Thursday.. Teachers
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Thank you!!! In full time throughout looking after key worker children then year 6. Plus doing online learning for those not in and trying to homeschool my own children. And then spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom and totally revamping planning to take account for lost learning. Plus another 2 weeks of it with covid.
Makes me fume when the teacher bashing “Yeah but you’ve been sitting on your arse doing sod all for months” brigade start "
a large part of the holidays sorting out your classroom ...  how big a classroom is it? my teacher friends did it in the 2 in service days the week before the schools went back
okay you worked throughout lockdown but blatant exaggeration doesnt help you prove your point |
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours.
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this? "
so a full time permanently employed teacher doesn’t get holiday pay? this must be an english thing because is scotland you do... it migut not be labelled as hpoiday pay on your pay alip but it is built into the salary provided knowing there are a number of extended holiday periods every year
in scotland only supply teachers dont get paid for holidays and this means they physically dont get a wage over summer at all
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Just in relation to the vaccines that are going through trials lots of folk think its a cure should there be a vaccine it is aimed at people mainly in dire straights in hospital with covid to reduce the effects and hopefully reduce severity.
Lung and breathing effects can last a lifetime.
As for comment about a solution there is not one sadly I think Boris has royally fucked up as leader buck stops there. He accepts praise and puffs out his chest when good news.
Facts are at the start care home staff and resident were by government left to rot until issue raised at press conference and along with that folk with covid were sent to care homes eithout another test to see if clear. A result being over 20000 lives were lost.
So recently they blamed elderly then students and now kids disgraceful.
If the messages were not so mixed and changed everytime you put tv on may have helped.
The testing kit shortages should not have happened as known what was happening I could go on and on. |
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"Just in relation to the vaccines that are going through trials lots of folk think its a cure should there be a vaccine it is aimed at people mainly in dire straights in hospital with covid to reduce the effects and hopefully reduce severity.
Lung and breathing effects can last a lifetime.
As for comment about a solution there is not one sadly I think Boris has royally fucked up as leader buck stops there. He accepts praise and puffs out his chest when good news.
Facts are at the start care home staff and resident were by government left to rot until issue raised at press conference and along with that folk with covid were sent to care homes eithout another test to see if clear. A result being over 20000 lives were lost.
So recently they blamed elderly then students and now kids disgraceful.
If the messages were not so mixed and changed everytime you put tv on may have helped.
The testing kit shortages should not have happened as known what was happening I could go on and on."
I think you've mis-understood vaccines. A vaccine is a preventative measure rather than a treatment. The general method of vaccination involves injecting dead or inert virus cells into people to trigger an immune response. If they are in contact with the virus at a later date, this new immunity will prevent them from being infected. Ideally, EVERYONE would be vaccinated and the virus would not be able to propagate and die out. Vaccinating someone who is already infected is pointless as their body is already creating an immune response to the living virus, the only difference is that the live virus is trying to kill them at the same time.
There are other treatments in testing which could act as an immune booster, mainly those involving blood-plasma from former patients. giving them a shot of blood plasma containing T-Cells which already contain the immune response to the virus could drastically speed up a patient's recovery. This plasma could potentially be used to create a vaccine too, but there are other complications to that.
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours.
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this?
so a full time permanently employed teacher doesn’t get holiday pay? this must be an english thing because is scotland you do... it migut not be labelled as hpoiday pay on your pay alip but it is built into the salary provided knowing there are a number of extended holiday periods every year
in scotland only supply teachers dont get paid for holidays and this means they physically dont get a wage over summer at all
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Teachers get paid an annual salary, this includes a portion for holiday pay. They are contracted to work a specific number of hours per year (1,265 hours over 195 days of the year). These contracted hours do not include any time spent outside of school planning, marking, and processing data (forecasting exam grades etc.)
In the UK, the average teacher salary is about £30,000, if they work no time outside of their contracted hours that equates to about £24 per hour. If however they spend two hours a night marking and planning, that hourly rate drops to about £18 per hour. If we also add in the holiday pay portion of a teachers pay, assuming a standard 30 days per year and the hourly rate being paid is now around £16. Just for context, a local budget supermarket near me was advertising a shop manager position at £26 per hour with 42 days per year holiday, private health care & free gym membership.
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this
Most teachers worked all the way through the spring dealing with key worker children. Who was looking after the children of the nhs staff who we applauded every Thursday.. Teachers
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Thank you!!! In full time throughout looking after key worker children then year 6. Plus doing online learning for those not in and trying to homeschool my own children. And then spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom and totally revamping planning to take account for lost learning. Plus another 2 weeks of it with covid.
Makes me fume when the teacher bashing “Yeah but you’ve been sitting on your arse doing sod all for months” brigade start
a large part of the holidays sorting out your classroom ... how big a classroom is it? my teacher friends did it in the 2 in service days the week before the schools went back
okay you worked throughout lockdown but blatant exaggeration doesnt help you prove your point"
Have you ever been a teacher?
Would you not want a teacher to care about their students to organise resources, put up displays, change the seating arrangements for covid safety, ensure there's vigorous procedures in place to wipe down equipment, print off worksheets for 5/6 sessions a day, all while ensuring approximately 30 pupils make progress for every subject.
This takes careful planning which may not necessarily just take two inset days at the beginning of the academic year.
Do you think it's terrible that teachers want the best for who they teach?
I see it as people going the extra mile to enable students to catch up of 5 months of not being in school.
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours.
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this?
so a full time permanently employed teacher doesn’t get holiday pay? this must be an english thing because is scotland you do... it migut not be labelled as hpoiday pay on your pay alip but it is built into the salary provided knowing there are a number of extended holiday periods every year
in scotland only supply teachers dont get paid for holidays and this means they physically dont get a wage over summer at all
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Teachers usually get paid an annual leave entitlement like anyone else would in work usually 20/25 days. The rest are not paid days, the same for support staff. What they do is spread the salary over 12 payments so you still get money in your bank monthly. You’re not paid for all those school holidays though. |
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"Your stressed after 2 weeks???? Try working 7 months through all this
Most teachers worked all the way through the spring dealing with key worker children. Who was looking after the children of the nhs staff who we applauded every Thursday.. Teachers
D
Thank you!!! In full time throughout looking after key worker children then year 6. Plus doing online learning for those not in and trying to homeschool my own children. And then spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom and totally revamping planning to take account for lost learning. Plus another 2 weeks of it with covid.
Makes me fume when the teacher bashing “Yeah but you’ve been sitting on your arse doing sod all for months” brigade start
a large part of the holidays sorting out your classroom ... how big a classroom is it? my teacher friends did it in the 2 in service days the week before the schools went back
okay you worked throughout lockdown but blatant exaggeration doesnt help you prove your point
Have you ever been a teacher?
Would you not want a teacher to care about their students to organise resources, put up displays, change the seating arrangements for covid safety, ensure there's vigorous procedures in place to wipe down equipment, print off worksheets for 5/6 sessions a day, all while ensuring approximately 30 pupils make progress for every subject.
This takes careful planning which may not necessarily just take two inset days at the beginning of the academic year.
Do you think it's terrible that teachers want the best for who they teach?
I see it as people going the extra mile to enable students to catch up of 5 months of not being in school.
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Not teacher bashing... I support them and..
Not saying there is no problem... There is...
But where does the 5 months missed school come from?
My kids broke up for Easter and then stayed home for one term (12 weeks).... In that time they were home schooled... Not as good as school ill admit... But also not true to say they had no schooling.
Catch up is definitely required.... kids missing 6 weeks of education is an issue... And there are some shitty things to deal with... But exaggerating how bad is not helping.
By the end of this school year they may well have missed some more school time... We just have to deal with it. And as parents we have to do a bit more that we always left in the hands of the teachers. We can do it! |
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours.
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this?
so a full time permanently employed teacher doesn’t get holiday pay? this must be an english thing because is scotland you do... it migut not be labelled as hpoiday pay on your pay alip but it is built into the salary provided knowing there are a number of extended holiday periods every year
in scotland only supply teachers dont get paid for holidays and this means they physically dont get a wage over summer at all
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As has already been said I get paid for 195 days a year that pay is spread out over 12 months to enable payroll to not have to stop and start. I effectively lend my salary to the county for them to pay it back to me in August. I get paid during August for work I’ve already done. WTD directive apportions some of our daily rate to accrued holiday pay but is the national minimum which is four weeks I believe. Holidays are unpaid |
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours.
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this?
so a full time permanently employed teacher doesn’t get holiday pay? this must be an english thing because is scotland you do... it migut not be labelled as hpoiday pay on your pay alip but it is built into the salary provided knowing there are a number of extended holiday periods every year
in scotland only supply teachers dont get paid for holidays and this means they physically dont get a wage over summer at all
Teachers get paid an annual salary, this includes a portion for holiday pay. They are contracted to work a specific number of hours per year (1,265 hours over 195 days of the year). These contracted hours do not include any time spent outside of school planning, marking, and processing data (forecasting exam grades etc.)
In the UK, the average teacher salary is about £30,000, if they work no time outside of their contracted hours that equates to about £24 per hour. If however they spend two hours a night marking and planning, that hourly rate drops to about £18 per hour. If we also add in the holiday pay portion of a teachers pay, assuming a standard 30 days per year and the hourly rate being paid is now around £16. Just for context, a local budget supermarket near me was advertising a shop manager position at £26 per hour with 42 days per year holiday, private health care & free gym membership.
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I worked out in October of autumn term last year I got £7 per hour keeping track of all my extra hours worked at home as I was participating in a study. I’m not even a precision planner I’m a wing it kind of teacher so god knows how much planners would get. Doesn’t even account for the pencil pots, laminating pouches, glue sticks, stickers, certificates we buy for the class. I bought two PE kits last year as parents consistently didn’t send their kids in with them and school didn’t have enough spare. Just wish people realised the effort that goes into the job. |
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours.
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this?
so a full time permanently employed teacher doesn’t get holiday pay? this must be an english thing because is scotland you do... it migut not be labelled as hpoiday pay on your pay alip but it is built into the salary provided knowing there are a number of extended holiday periods every year
in scotland only supply teachers dont get paid for holidays and this means they physically dont get a wage over summer at all
As has already been said I get paid for 195 days a year that pay is spread out over 12 months to enable payroll to not have to stop and start. I effectively lend my salary to the county for them to pay it back to me in August. I get paid during August for work I’ve already done. WTD directive apportions some of our daily rate to accrued holiday pay but is the national minimum which is four weeks I believe. Holidays are unpaid "
unless you have a contract that says you are paid at an hourly rate then this is completely wrong ... its not how a salary works ... which is why in many many jobs/ industries you will find that salaried staff are not paid overtime but it is on occasion (some more frequent than others) expected... welcome to the world of work , it is not teacher specific |
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i know people have said its not a competition between who is worse off and i agree... but that works both ways... i dont have any extra sympathy for teachers who are now discovering what many of us deal with all across different industries
someone mentioned what a store management level in retail wage was ... do you think they don't have stress? that they don’t work usually almost double their contracted hours , unsociable hours, have sales targets to meet and legal standards and reporting to meet on the shop floor, get visits from area management for walk rounds (a bit like the class observation someone was perturbed about) angry customers shouting in their face every other day?
i work in an office now, regularly worked past midnight during lockdown and when it hits our year end that will be an expectation on the whole team ... also unpaid
anyone back in an office is at risk of covid and theyve also been told dont wear masks , its not solely as issue for teachers
the OP themselves followed up their post by saying new changes are bedding in and there are hound to be teething problems but management are doing their best
my point is almost everyone no matter what their pay grade gets stress from work, its nothing new and its not just down to children or the government or covid
i dont see why we are expected to have more sympathy because you have chosen to work with kids ... its not a “saintly” vocation , you chose it presumably because you have a passion for it and/ or because of the salary/ holidays etc ... if none of that is working for you anymore then do what the rest of us would be expected to do and pick a new career |
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"i know people have said its not a competition between who is worse off and i agree... but that works both ways... i dont have any extra sympathy for teachers who are now discovering what many of us deal with all across different industries
someone mentioned what a store management level in retail wage was ... do you think they don't have stress? that they don’t work usually almost double their contracted hours , unsociable hours, have sales targets to meet and legal standards and reporting to meet on the shop floor, get visits from area management for walk rounds (a bit like the class observation someone was perturbed about) angry customers shouting in their face every other day?
i work in an office now, regularly worked past midnight during lockdown and when it hits our year end that will be an expectation on the whole team ... also unpaid
anyone back in an office is at risk of covid and theyve also been told dont wear masks , its not solely as issue for teachers
the OP themselves followed up their post by saying new changes are bedding in and there are hound to be teething problems but management are doing their best
my point is almost everyone no matter what their pay grade gets stress from work, its nothing new and its not just down to children or the government or covid
i dont see why we are expected to have more sympathy because you have chosen to work with kids ... its not a “saintly” vocation , you chose it presumably because you have a passion for it and/ or because of the salary/ holidays etc ... if none of that is working for you anymore then do what the rest of us would be expected to do and pick a new career "
I’ve done, store manager, retail assistant, office worker, self employed and now teacher. I can tell you it isn’t the same - have you experience in all the sectors? Have you been a teacher? |
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"spending a large part of the 6 weeks holidays (which we don’t get paid for!) sorting out classroom
So teachers get 50% pay in July and zero in August ?
Theoretically we are paid for 195 days/1265 hours and it is spread out over 12 months. That said, there is a clause that says we must do any tasks as directed by the headteacher...regardless of hours.
Don’t get sucked into the you cannot be asked to work over your 195 days unless you have signed a contract saying you give this up unless you’re SLT. We don’t get paid for holidays full stop. I’ve already worked 3 weeks unpaid Easter and May half term while getting slated by people that have no clue what they’re talking about.
No teachers don’t get paid for August nor any other school holidays sigh. Do people really still not know this?
so a full time permanently employed teacher doesn’t get holiday pay? this must be an english thing because is scotland you do... it migut not be labelled as hpoiday pay on your pay alip but it is built into the salary provided knowing there are a number of extended holiday periods every year
in scotland only supply teachers dont get paid for holidays and this means they physically dont get a wage over summer at all
As has already been said I get paid for 195 days a year that pay is spread out over 12 months to enable payroll to not have to stop and start. I effectively lend my salary to the county for them to pay it back to me in August. I get paid during August for work I’ve already done. WTD directive apportions some of our daily rate to accrued holiday pay but is the national minimum which is four weeks I believe. Holidays are unpaid
unless you have a contract that says you are paid at an hourly rate then this is completely wrong ... its not how a salary works ... which is why in many many jobs/ industries you will find that salaried staff are not paid overtime but it is on occasion (some more frequent than others) expected... welcome to the world of work , it is not teacher specific "
I’ve worked for 31 years teachers are paid differently I’ve not been a teacher my whole life it’s not comparable. It isn’t ‘overtime’ it’s minimum standards of what it takes to get the job done. Teachers get paid for 5.5 hours a day it’s in the legal pay and conditions document. |
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This also isn’t on ‘the odd occasion’ full time teachers contracted legal hours are 1250 a year over 195 days so 6.5 ish hours a day (typo above said 5.5) . You can’t do the job on those hours sooooo the unpaid overtime is constant every week by significantly more than 20 hours a week.
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"This also isn’t on ‘the odd occasion’ full time teachers contracted legal hours are 1250 a year over 195 days so 6.5 ish hours a day (typo above said 5.5) . You can’t do the job on those hours sooooo the unpaid overtime is constant every week by significantly more than 20 hours a week.
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A slightly different take. Not to suggest it's easy for anyone... A good friend of mine who spent 30 years consulting... Just started his 1st new job as a secondary school teacher. I asked him how he was finding it. "loving it... Great kids, great school, should have done it years ago".... OK so only 3 weeks in.... But someones enjoying it! |
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"A slightly different take. Not to suggest it's easy for anyone... A good friend of mine who spent 30 years consulting... Just started his 1st new job as a secondary school teacher. I asked him how he was finding it. "loving it... Great kids, great school, should have done it years ago".... OK so only 3 weeks in.... But someones enjoying it! "
Oh don’t get me wrong .... I love it every day in every way it’s the best job I have ever done and it’s an honour each and every day. If I didn’t I wouldn’t do it. All the money in the world cannot replace them job satisfaction of teaching kids I’m sorry if I gave that impression. Just teacher bashing when people done actually have a clue what the job is irritates the hell out of me. |
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"i know people have said its not a competition between who is worse off and i agree... but that works both ways... i dont have any extra sympathy for teachers who are now discovering what many of us deal with all across different industries
someone mentioned what a store management level in retail wage was ... do you think they don't have stress? that they don’t work usually almost double their contracted hours , unsociable hours, have sales targets to meet and legal standards and reporting to meet on the shop floor, get visits from area management for walk rounds (a bit like the class observation someone was perturbed about) angry customers shouting in their face every other day?
i work in an office now, regularly worked past midnight during lockdown and when it hits our year end that will be an expectation on the whole team ... also unpaid
anyone back in an office is at risk of covid and theyve also been told dont wear masks , its not solely as issue for teachers
the OP themselves followed up their post by saying new changes are bedding in and there are hound to be teething problems but management are doing their best
my point is almost everyone no matter what their pay grade gets stress from work, its nothing new and its not just down to children or the government or covid
i dont see why we are expected to have more sympathy because you have chosen to work with kids ... its not a “saintly” vocation , you chose it presumably because you have a passion for it and/ or because of the salary/ holidays etc ... if none of that is working for you anymore then do what the rest of us would be expected to do and pick a new career "
Have you ever been in a room with a group of teenagers presenting challenging behaviour and try to keep covid safety routines going with health and welfare concerns?
There are lots of students with special needs, serious safeguarding concerns with outside agencies involved. This is usual under normal circumstances however covid is presenting more challenges for teaching and support staff hourly.
Teachers care about the welfare of students in conjunction with enabling them to make progress to improve their life chances.
The teaching profession generally are not moaning about being a teacher and the extra unpaid hours they put in but again referring to my first, original post, covid safety is difficult to maintain in some of our most challenging schools.
I never asked for sympathy, more compassion and understanding. Think about how you got where you are when you passed your qualifications or completed in house training. Some people really make a difference to the lives of people. |
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