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"Some good news. The paused Oxford vaccine trial is restarting, following their investigation and analysis of the problem experienced by the volunteer. The person's illness is confidential, so details won't be revealed here, which seems appropriate for his/her privacy to remain assured. A pause of about a week, so not too much and the researchers have learned more. "  | |||
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"But you trust a vacinne by a University run and paid for by Bill Gates??" Who really cares who makes it as long as it is tested and given the green light by those who matter if it saves lives that what matters people need to take them tin hats of . | |||
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"But you trust a vacinne by a University run and paid for by Bill Gates?? Who really cares who makes it as long as it is tested and given the green light by those who matter if it saves lives that what matters people need to take them tin hats of ." People need to take them tin hats off,, hmm mm who is wearing the mask??? | |||
"But you trust a vacinne by a University run and paid for by Bill Gates?? Who really cares who makes it as long as it is tested and given the green light by those who matter if it saves lives that what matters people need to take them tin hats of . People need to take them tin hats off,, hmm mm who is wearing the mask???" And your scientific/ vaccine background is from where ???? All intitled to an opinion | |||
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"Indeed all entitled to an opinion, but when our opinions are suppressed, when our rights are slowly taken away, when we become the property of the Government for the benefit of the elite, then I will stand up for those rights. Now you mention my scientific vaccine background, do tell me the Medical Qualifications of Mr Gates" Real talk 100% | |||
"Indeed all entitled to an opinion, but when our opinions are suppressed, when our rights are slowly taken away, when we become the property of the Government for the benefit of the elite, then I will stand up for those rights. Now you mention my scientific vaccine background, do tell me the Medical Qualifications of Mr Gates" You talk about rights when there are people dying all over the world ???? Mr gates has money alot of it and if he chooses to use that money to HELP find a vaccine I say let him because one day god forbid if YOU might need that vaccine I'm sure you wouldn't mind it then | |||
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"No Gates is funding the universities for an ulterior motive, Now if you don't trust the regulatory bodies in the US, what is the reason for that?" Just stick with each case in point - in this instance the covid-19 epidemic, rather than some grand global domination and other conspiracy theories. The vaccine development and funding is entirely transparent. Its research is openly accessible, as is the UK government approach to it - and there is much to criticise them about. It's 1 of hundreds of vaccines in development and likely that most won't make it with acceptable efficacy or safety levels, if they even get to stage 3 trials. Watching the development of the Oxford vaccine is simple and most of us hope that it will be successful enough to help to move us away somewhat, or even fully, from the crisis point that we've been at. With some potential positive developments, following many of us losing loved ones, it's reasonable to be sensitive to others' sufferings and not impose alarmist, unfounded scare stories at any opportunity. | |||
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"But you trust a vacinne by a University run and paid for by Bill Gates??"  | |||
" Oh by the way you didn't tell me what Bill Gates medical and vacinne qualifications were" He has donated large sums of money to try and help prevent the spread of the covid virus, what have you done? | |||
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" Oh by the way you didn't tell me what Bill Gates medical and vacinne qualifications were He has donated large sums of money to try and help prevent the spread of the covid virus, what have you done?" | |||
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" Now you mention my scientific vaccine background, do tell me the Medical Qualifications of Mr Gates" Every month I Donate to the Donkey Sanctuary - I never owned a Donkey nor do I want to so I have NO qualifications in Donkey Welfare - But my Donation pays for those who do. What? Do you think that Bill Gates is stood in a white coat in a LAB somewhere with a Dr Evil Grin on his face?  | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. " Agree. Much the same with all those who say 'science says'. Science has always been saying the same thing, but it's just interpreted by scientists in different ways as the scientists understand a bit more or less what science is saying. So the say science says is just another way of hiding behind a blanket. It's what scientists say not what what science says, as that will change as scientists gain more understanding and insight. The last 8 months have been a great testament to this. | |||
"Just another thought: how many lives in reality will it save? There will never be any conclusive evidence to say one way or another, much like the covid tests, there are false results both ways, some not conclusive even after multiple tests. Personally I feel boosting the immune system is a far better way forward. It's not then controlled by anyone or any foundation that may have ulterior motives. It tackles not just one issue but allows the body to fight multiple issues including future ones too. This is by far the best approach that I've seen and there are many trials currently running in this country and others by scientists in various fields, yet it doesn't get the same exposure or publicity for some reason. Tumeric (curcumin), Vitamin D and C have been used by consultants and proving to be very effective is helping the body fight it naturally. What is interesting is many behind the vaccine trials are dissing their effectiveness - that speaks volumes as to motives. You'll soon be reading about it as some papers have been submitted with official results under test conditions too. Some may find peace of mind in vaccines but they are not the real solution. Some vaccines have been very effective for some things and I stress some, others much less effective than when initially used and there are many which have gone by the wayside. Most vaccines will have side effects, some quite severe and rase many questions about when they should or should not be used. Supporting and allowing the body to fight anything is quite simply the best method by far, but it's hard to patent and make billions from it. It's also not an instant fix which we have been brain washed into think is how things must and can be done. " | |||
"Hmm so a guy who wants to reduce the population of the world wants to pay billions to a university to make a vacinne to save lives. Bit like putting a fox in charge of a chicken run. " | |||
"Hmm so a guy who wants to reduce the population of the world wants to pay billions to a university to make a vacinne to save lives. Bit like putting a fox in charge of a chicken run. " | |||
"Bill Gates and his wife have philanthropic tendencies rather than anything else. Population control is about trying to preserve the planet's resources for future generations. Jeez these conspiracy theorists are absolutely bonkers. "Oh and its up to Bill Gates to decide the planets fate eh??? | |||
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"Heard that they've started testing 30,000 people with the Oxford vaccine in Mexico as things are so bad over there that they're willing to try anything " ... Or you need a certain level of community infection to test efficacy of a vaccine, or you need to try in diverse populations to see if it might act differently in different people. You're welcome. | |||
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"Bill Gates wants to dominate the world. In other news, the moon has conclusively been proved to be made of cheese. More to follow from our guest reporter, the soup dragon."  | |||
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"ok Can all those of the flat earth and QAnon Tendancy pleasse now Block me and save me the bother. I am far too busy working with Bill Gates and Dr. Evil on world Domination to do it myself. Hay all these cute little kittens wont end themselves you know!" I'm still waiting for my cheque from Big Pharma. | |||
"Some good news. The paused Oxford vaccine trial is restarting, following their investigation and analysis of the problem experienced by the volunteer. The person's illness is confidential, so details won't be revealed here, which seems appropriate for his/her privacy to remain assured. A pause of about a week, so not too much and the researchers have learned more. " Just heard via twitter that a company will have a vaccine by the end of October. | |||
"Some good news. The paused Oxford vaccine trial is restarting, following their investigation and analysis of the problem experienced by the volunteer. The person's illness is confidential, so details won't be revealed here, which seems appropriate for his/her privacy to remain assured. A pause of about a week, so not too much and the researchers have learned more. Just heard via twitter that a company will have a vaccine by the end of October. " That’s Pfizer. I’m not sure if Bill has any involvement though. | |||
"Bill Gates and his wife have philanthropic tendencies rather than anything else. Population control is about trying to preserve the planet's resources for future generations. Jeez these conspiracy theorists are absolutely bonkers.
Oh and its up to Bill Gates to decide the planets fate eh??? "No, but he has an IQ significantly higher than blancmange which places him way above Icke and his acolytes. | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. " . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon  | |||
"Hay all these cute little kittens wont end themselves you know!" Erm boss... when you said this henchman job came with all the pussy a man could ever want, this wasn't quite what I had in mind...  | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon "Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all. We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite ". In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum. As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way. All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite "These monsters also encourage people to feed disabled children bleach (MMS) and chelate them (!!) to remove the "toxins" from their body. It's abuse. | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective"What's wrong with having a 'highly rushed' vaccine if it's gone through the proper channels and processes to regulatory approval? Would your opposition remain if it were an antibiotic, or different drug, or is it that a potential COVID vaccine will give your children the autisms? | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective
What's wrong with having a 'highly rushed' vaccine if it's gone through the proper channels and processes to regulatory approval? Would your opposition remain if it were an antibiotic, or different drug, or is it that a potential COVID vaccine will give your children the autisms? ". Because there's no long term side effects being measured as normally would and obviously there's massive political and economic pressure to get a vaccine out and get the economy back on track. There's a 0.0003 risk of death to an under 9 year old, people will weigh those odds and like I said your free to take it I'm not wanting to stop you or discourage you in anyway shape or form. | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective
What's wrong with having a 'highly rushed' vaccine if it's gone through the proper channels and processes to regulatory approval? Would your opposition remain if it were an antibiotic, or different drug, or is it that a potential COVID vaccine will give your children the autisms? .
Because there's no long term side effects being measured as normally would and obviously there's massive political and economic pressure to get a vaccine out and get the economy back on track.
There's a 0.0003 risk of death to an under 9 year old, people will weigh those odds and like I said your free to take it I'm not wanting to stop you or discourage you in anyway shape or form."Obviously those odds increase with every sad death of a child. When do the odds stack into taking a vaccine? | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective
What's wrong with having a 'highly rushed' vaccine if it's gone through the proper channels and processes to regulatory approval? Would your opposition remain if it were an antibiotic, or different drug, or is it that a potential COVID vaccine will give your children the autisms? .
Because there's no long term side effects being measured as normally would and obviously there's massive political and economic pressure to get a vaccine out and get the economy back on track.
There's a 0.0003 risk of death to an under 9 year old, people will weigh those odds and like I said your free to take it I'm not wanting to stop you or discourage you in anyway shape or form.
Obviously those odds increase with every sad death of a child. When do the odds stack into taking a vaccine? ". Yep difficult decisions indeed that everybody will have to make but as I say it's not for me at this moment. | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective
What's wrong with having a 'highly rushed' vaccine if it's gone through the proper channels and processes to regulatory approval? Would your opposition remain if it were an antibiotic, or different drug, or is it that a potential COVID vaccine will give your children the autisms? .
Because there's no long term side effects being measured as normally would and obviously there's massive political and economic pressure to get a vaccine out and get the economy back on track.
There's a 0.0003 risk of death to an under 9 year old, people will weigh those odds and like I said your free to take it I'm not wanting to stop you or discourage you in anyway shape or form.
Obviously those odds increase with every sad death of a child. When do the odds stack into taking a vaccine? .
Yep difficult decisions indeed that everybody will have to make but as I say it's not for me at this moment."That is all fair enough as long you don't have closed mind about it and make a proper informed decision about it when the time comes. Sadly i think a lot people will just use BS from anti vax sources. | |||
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"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective
What's wrong with having a 'highly rushed' vaccine if it's gone through the proper channels and processes to regulatory approval? Would your opposition remain if it were an antibiotic, or different drug, or is it that a potential COVID vaccine will give your children the autisms? .
Because there's no long term side effects being measured as normally would and obviously there's massive political and economic pressure to get a vaccine out and get the economy back on track.
There's a 0.0003 risk of death to an under 9 year old, people will weigh those odds and like I said your free to take it I'm not wanting to stop you or discourage you in anyway shape or form.
Obviously those odds increase with every sad death of a child. When do the odds stack into taking a vaccine? .
Yep difficult decisions indeed that everybody will have to make but as I say it's not for me at this moment.
That is all fair enough as long you don't have closed mind about it and make a proper informed decision about it when the time comes. Sadly i think a lot people will just use BS from anti vax sources.". I'm not anti science or anti vaccine but then I wouldn't describe myself as the over the top let's vaccinate against everything either. Right now the average age of a covid death is 82 with 2.7 cormobidities, this may sound harsh but that's known as a good innings,45,000 deaths from covid but nobody mentions the other 650,000 deaths from everything from bike accidents to cancer to sepsis, were they not avoidable? Life's a risk as far as I'm concerned, I'm with measures to stop the NHS being overwhelmed and that's where I draw the line. | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective
What's wrong with having a 'highly rushed' vaccine if it's gone through the proper channels and processes to regulatory approval? Would your opposition remain if it were an antibiotic, or different drug, or is it that a potential COVID vaccine will give your children the autisms? .
Because there's no long term side effects being measured as normally would and obviously there's massive political and economic pressure to get a vaccine out and get the economy back on track.
There's a 0.0003 risk of death to an under 9 year old, people will weigh those odds and like I said your free to take it I'm not wanting to stop you or discourage you in anyway shape or form.
Obviously those odds increase with every sad death of a child. When do the odds stack into taking a vaccine? .
Yep difficult decisions indeed that everybody will have to make but as I say it's not for me at this moment.
That is all fair enough as long you don't have closed mind about it and make a proper informed decision about it when the time comes. Sadly i think a lot people will just use BS from anti vax sources..
I'm not anti science or anti vaccine but then I wouldn't describe myself as the over the top let's vaccinate against everything either.
Right now the average age of a covid death is 82 with 2.7 cormobidities, this may sound harsh but that's known as a good innings,45,000 deaths from covid but nobody mentions the other 650,000 deaths from everything from bike accidents to cancer to sepsis, were they not avoidable?
Life's a risk as far as I'm concerned, I'm with measures to stop the NHS being overwhelmed and that's where I draw the line."Please don't just look at covid deaths. Covid can cause massive life changing injuries, sadly one of my family in his 40s is in this situation. Measles for instance doesn't cause many deaths but causes much more deafness or brain damage etc. You sound a sensible person just everyone needs as much info as possible. | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective
What's wrong with having a 'highly rushed' vaccine if it's gone through the proper channels and processes to regulatory approval? Would your opposition remain if it were an antibiotic, or different drug, or is it that a potential COVID vaccine will give your children the autisms? .
Because there's no long term side effects being measured as normally would and obviously there's massive political and economic pressure to get a vaccine out and get the economy back on track.
There's a 0.0003 risk of death to an under 9 year old, people will weigh those odds and like I said your free to take it I'm not wanting to stop you or discourage you in anyway shape or form.
Obviously those odds increase with every sad death of a child. When do the odds stack into taking a vaccine? .
Yep difficult decisions indeed that everybody will have to make but as I say it's not for me at this moment.
That is all fair enough as long you don't have closed mind about it and make a proper informed decision about it when the time comes. Sadly i think a lot people will just use BS from anti vax sources..
I'm not anti science or anti vaccine but then I wouldn't describe myself as the over the top let's vaccinate against everything either.
Right now the average age of a covid death is 82 with 2.7 cormobidities, this may sound harsh but that's known as a good innings,45,000 deaths from covid but nobody mentions the other 650,000 deaths from everything from bike accidents to cancer to sepsis, were they not avoidable?
Life's a risk as far as I'm concerned, I'm with measures to stop the NHS being overwhelmed and that's where I draw the line.
Please don't just look at covid deaths. Covid can cause massive life changing injuries, sadly one of my family in his 40s is in this situation. Measles for instance doesn't cause many deaths but causes much more deafness or brain damage etc. You sound a sensible person just everyone needs as much info as possible.". I actually completely agree, measles statically has more complications for children than sars-cov2 and would recommend vaccination whole heartedly. | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective"It is a free country, as you relayed. You make it almost sound like Wakefield did nothing wrong and this long period of lies, scaremongering and BS, was not because of his corruption but due to lack of choice. The NHS selects treatment chouces in part based on safety and efficacy, though costs are also an aspect, with limits on NHS budgets. The MMR problem was Wakefield, his lies and fraud caused considerable distress and continues to this day to be responsible for totally preventable illness and deaths. A very sick man would be happy to continue his wealth accumulation peddling BS vaccine lies resulting in deaths - truly despicable. The others who have jumped on the bandwagon, many of them also getting richer via peoples'misery, aren't much, if any, better than such an abhorrently motivated man. We've had the qanon BS too. That any covid-19 vaccine will be available is testament to our global cooperation and past experience and expertise. They won't be launched here without fully published research evidence being made available. Any of the idiotic Wakefield-like propaganda paranoia should be squashed, with rational minds focusing on the evidence, not the hoodwinkers' BS, spewing fear-mongering amongst the vulnerable. | |||
"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective
It is a free country, as you relayed. You make it almost sound like Wakefield did nothing wrong and this long period of lies, scaremongering and BS, was not because of his corruption but due to lack of choice.
The NHS selects treatment chouces in part based on safety and efficacy, though costs are also an aspect, with limits on NHS budgets. The MMR problem was Wakefield, his lies and fraud caused considerable distress and continues to this day to be responsible for totally preventable illness and deaths. A very sick man would be happy to continue his wealth accumulation peddling BS vaccine lies resulting in deaths - truly despicable. The others who have jumped on the bandwagon, many of them also getting richer via peoples'misery, aren't much, if any, better than such an abhorrently motivated man. We've had the qanon BS too.
That any covid-19 vaccine will be available is testament to our global cooperation and past experience and expertise. They won't be launched here without fully published research evidence being made available. Any of the idiotic Wakefield-like propaganda paranoia should be squashed, with rational minds focusing on the evidence, not the hoodwinkers' BS, spewing fear-mongering amongst the vulnerable. ". I'm pretty sure I didn't say he's done nothing wrong but let that not stop your rant, what I actually said was once the debacle was under way there's no stopping a rolling stone and a single vaccine (which is what he was advocating for not a no vaccine) policy would have curtailed it but the establishment took the correct view as it is that they were right and you shall not get what you want which is what actually lead to the downturn in uptake of a measles vaccine and the future outbreaks had they given the option to single vaccine I hypothecated that the downturn wouldn't have happened and the current problem would have been yesterday's fish and chips. | |||
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"Wakefield has blood on his hands and is one of the greatest threats to public health of our time." . What do you recommend we do with him?. | |||
"Wakefield has blood on his hands and is one of the greatest threats to public health of our time.. What do you recommend we do with him?." Rebut him, ignore him, and educate his victims. | |||
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"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective
It is a free country, as you relayed. You make it almost sound like Wakefield did nothing wrong and this long period of lies, scaremongering and BS, was not because of his corruption but due to lack of choice.
The NHS selects treatment chouces in part based on safety and efficacy, though costs are also an aspect, with limits on NHS budgets. The MMR problem was Wakefield, his lies and fraud caused considerable distress and continues to this day to be responsible for totally preventable illness and deaths. A very sick man would be happy to continue his wealth accumulation peddling BS vaccine lies resulting in deaths - truly despicable. The others who have jumped on the bandwagon, many of them also getting richer via peoples'misery, aren't much, if any, better than such an abhorrently motivated man. We've had the qanon BS too.
That any covid-19 vaccine will be available is testament to our global cooperation and past experience and expertise. They won't be launched here without fully published research evidence being made available. Any of the idiotic Wakefield-like propaganda paranoia should be squashed, with rational minds focusing on the evidence, not the hoodwinkers' BS, spewing fear-mongering amongst the vulnerable. .
I'm pretty sure I didn't say he's done nothing wrong but let that not stop your rant, what I actually said was once the debacle was under way there's no stopping a rolling stone and a single vaccine (which is what he was advocating for not a no vaccine) policy would have curtailed it but the establishment took the correct view as it is that they were right and you shall not get what you want which is what actually lead to the downturn in uptake of a measles vaccine and the future outbreaks had they given the option to single vaccine I hypothecated that the downturn wouldn't have happened and the current problem would have been yesterday's fish and chips."I quoted your post but the main points, where you've rather insulted me, referring to my 'rant', is the enormous damage that's ensued, following his fraudulent research claims, followed by the many subsequent years where he's fed himself off his vaccine damage fraud. He's personally railroaded so much of the great global progress that had been made, through many vaccination programmes, which has resulted in citizens of countries losing the benefits of herd immunity, individuals acquiring diseases that they need not have done and having fulfilled the foundations for the junk level of fear-mongering that the likes of qAnon etc disseminate, whilst Wakefield and Icke still engender the festering amongst the gullible. You don't need to infer anything as a claim against you, I'm well able to specify something that you may have said, that I have some dispute with. We now contend with hundreds of thousands of people across the world who are actively engaged in the continuous undermining of essential vaccine and other medical work. Often they've been shaaring spurious inflammatory claims, infiltrating innocuous groups using their leverage to create doubt and fears amongst the many people who have not already been engaged in civil unrest that the likes of qanon are catalysing. These fomented hotbeds of emotional distress are easy portals for disaffected state actors to further plunder, causing other countries to struggle with, and their efforts to citizens to face the enormous harms to their health and well-being. Many of the conspiracy-related posts in this area of the forum have been fed by qanon and other dangerous outlets that certainly have no relationships to wanting the best for us. | |||
"Many of the conspiracy-related posts in this area of the forum have been fed by qanon and other dangerous outlets that certainly have no relationships to wanting the best for us. " What utter nonsense. When it comes to covid and people not believing the scaremongering narrative has nothing to do with qanon most simply watching as WHO CDC and goverments flip flop back and forth, the constant adjusting statistics, the restrictions put in place that are completely out of proprtion to whats going on which makes them question it. Then they follow doctors and scientists that speak out about it and watch how their posts or videos are removed from social network as it goes against what the WHO have said. Its got zero to do with qanon... What are these other "dangerous outlets" you speak of? The only thing dangerous i see on here is people that openly admit how crappy the goverment are and how all they do is lie and give their buddys back hander million pound contracts, how they arw incompetent and completely untrustworthy and yet STILL do everything they are told to do. I find all you people scary and dangerous far more than i do this virus that statitics now show is no where near as deadly as media and goverments made out and still trying to make out. | |||
"Many of the conspiracy-related posts in this area of the forum have been fed by qanon and other dangerous outlets that certainly have no relationships to wanting the best for us. What utter nonsense. When it comes to covid and people not believing the scaremongering narrative has nothing to do with qanon most simply watching as WHO CDC and goverments flip flop back and forth, the constant adjusting statistics, the restrictions put in place that are completely out of proprtion to whats going on which makes them question it. Then they follow doctors and scientists that speak out about it and watch how their posts or videos are removed from social network as it goes against what the WHO have said. Its got zero to do with qanon... What are these other "dangerous outlets" you speak of? The only thing dangerous i see on here is people that openly admit how crappy the goverment are and how all they do is lie and give their buddys back hander million pound contracts, how they arw incompetent and completely untrustworthy and yet STILL do everything they are told to do. I find all you people scary and dangerous far more than i do this virus that statitics now show is no where near as deadly as media and goverments made out and still trying to make out. " The government have gotten many things wrong yes but you posted a list on here of the doctors attending the demo on the 19th and pretty much all of them are anti vaxers.. And some of what you have previously posted, and to be fair put your hands up when it was shown to be not factual and full on conspiracy theory is straight from the q anon play book.. Hence your defending them .. | |||
"Many of the conspiracy-related posts in this area of the forum have been fed by qanon and other dangerous outlets that certainly have no relationships to wanting the best for us. What utter nonsense. When it comes to covid and people not believing the scaremongering narrative has nothing to do with qanon most simply watching as WHO CDC and goverments flip flop back and forth, the constant adjusting statistics, the restrictions put in place that are completely out of proprtion to whats going on which makes them question it. Then they follow doctors and scientists that speak out about it and watch how their posts or videos are removed from social network as it goes against what the WHO have said. Its got zero to do with qanon... What are these other "dangerous outlets" you speak of? The only thing dangerous i see on here is people that openly admit how crappy the goverment are and how all they do is lie and give their buddys back hander million pound contracts, how they arw incompetent and completely untrustworthy and yet STILL do everything they are told to do. I find all you people scary and dangerous far more than i do this virus that statitics now show is no where near as deadly as media and goverments made out and still trying to make out. The government have gotten many things wrong yes but you posted a list on here of the doctors attending the demo on the 19th and pretty much all of them are anti vaxers.. And some of what you have previously posted, and to be fair put your hands up when it was shown to be not factual and full on conspiracy theory is straight from the q anon play book.. Hence your defending them .." Ive never been to a qanon website though. So im not defending them. As far as i was aware qanon is an American thing, and somthing to do with trump. It has zero to do with the UK and whats going on here. The groups i am in are groups that question everything are are truth seeking groups. If you are referring to when i made a post about the world being run by satanic peadaphilia which involves world leaders and a lot of hollywierd celebs i stand by it 100% because ive seen enough and read enough that its just impossible to deny it as much as i want to. And no non of that came from qanon websites. But thats a whole other thread and this is a covid thread so wont derail it but happy to dicuss all the other stuff on another thread if one is created. | |||
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"I find it astonishing really that people think and believe that any country or team have the answers to this pandemic. We learn as we go. Conspiracy theories don’t help, they just create fear. A virus cannot be contained and it is people that are spreading it. A vaccine is a way off yet. Unlike some of the other diseases mentioned here, this one is highly contagious and therefore should not be left unchecked and that is what separates it from other things. . It's actually not that highly contagious, the bmj says it's about 65 on a 1 to 100 scale (measles is 93) that said we've been vaccinating children to around the 90% Mark for about 35 years with the MMR vaccine and measles mumps and rubella still exist and we still have outbreaks so vaccination isn't the quick fix some people think it is. Side note I very very much doubt this vaccine will be able to be given to around 20% of the population due to safely concerns and I'm pretty sure 30-40% wouldn't take it anyway (the under 30s) so I'm slightly sceptical on a vaccine solution anytime soon
Great disease to reference - measles. The deluded antivax mob, driven by the discredited former doctor Andrew Wakefield who falsified research data, have conned so many people into not having the MMR vaccine that herd immunity has been lost in many places. They have driven many people to suffer unnecessary illness and death, because they have been so happy to be herded like sheep into regurgitating the unsubstantiated BS, with the likes of Icke and QAnon profiting from them. It's a pity that there's not yet compensation organisations chasing the people who try to fan the flames of vaccine BS and the generosity of Gates that helps us all.
We would be well rid of the BS merchants causing so much misery out there. Some don't want a safer, happier world, they're in pursuit of the opposite .
In a free country people should be free to not want your help, the failure at the time was simply to not offer individual vaccination (which is what Wakefield was wanting or urging for) this was the failure of the medical, vaccination and government, from a position of knowing there correct they simply failed to bend to the fact that a sizeable amount of the population didn't want it!.I suspect had they done that all this would have blown over by now and measles outbreaks would have been kept to a minimum.
As for compensation , well that's a bit rich when vaccination companies are indemnified by the government the opposite way.
All vaccinations carry a risk the idea is the risk is so tiny the benefits out weigh them, personally I wouldn't have my children vaccinated against sars-cov2 with this highly rushed and politically pressurised vaccine in a month of Sundays but people who wish to I have no problem with, I just don't think you'll get anywhere near the numbers required for it to be anything like effective
It is a free country, as you relayed. You make it almost sound like Wakefield did nothing wrong and this long period of lies, scaremongering and BS, was not because of his corruption but due to lack of choice.
The NHS selects treatment chouces in part based on safety and efficacy, though costs are also an aspect, with limits on NHS budgets. The MMR problem was Wakefield, his lies and fraud caused considerable distress and continues to this day to be responsible for totally preventable illness and deaths. A very sick man would be happy to continue his wealth accumulation peddling BS vaccine lies resulting in deaths - truly despicable. The others who have jumped on the bandwagon, many of them also getting richer via peoples'misery, aren't much, if any, better than such an abhorrently motivated man. We've had the qanon BS too.
That any covid-19 vaccine will be available is testament to our global cooperation and past experience and expertise. They won't be launched here without fully published research evidence being made available. Any of the idiotic Wakefield-like propaganda paranoia should be squashed, with rational minds focusing on the evidence, not the hoodwinkers' BS, spewing fear-mongering amongst the vulnerable. .
I'm pretty sure I didn't say he's done nothing wrong but let that not stop your rant, what I actually said was once the debacle was under way there's no stopping a rolling stone and a single vaccine (which is what he was advocating for not a no vaccine) policy would have curtailed it but the establishment took the correct view as it is that they were right and you shall not get what you want which is what actually lead to the downturn in uptake of a measles vaccine and the future outbreaks had they given the option to single vaccine I hypothecated that the downturn wouldn't have happened and the current problem would have been yesterday's fish and chips.
I quoted your post but the main points, where you've rather insulted me, referring to my 'rant', is the enormous damage that's ensued, following his fraudulent research claims, followed by the many subsequent years where he's fed himself off his vaccine damage fraud. He's personally railroaded so much of the great global progress that had been made, through many vaccination programmes, which has resulted in citizens of countries losing the benefits of herd immunity, individuals acquiring diseases that they need not have done and having fulfilled the foundations for the junk level of fear-mongering that the likes of qAnon etc disseminate, whilst Wakefield and Icke still engender the festering amongst the gullible. You don't need to infer anything as a claim against you, I'm well able to specify something that you may have said, that I have some dispute with.
We now contend with hundreds of thousands of people across the world who are actively engaged in the continuous undermining of essential vaccine and other medical work. Often they've been shaaring spurious inflammatory claims, infiltrating innocuous groups using their leverage to create doubt and fears amongst the many people who have not already been engaged in civil unrest that the likes of qanon are catalysing. These fomented hotbeds of emotional distress are easy portals for disaffected state actors to further plunder, causing other countries to struggle with, and their efforts to citizens to face the enormous harms to their health and well-being.
Many of the conspiracy-related posts in this area of the forum have been fed by qanon and other dangerous outlets that certainly have no relationships to wanting the best for us. ". As I mentioned, I have no problem with your rant about Wakefield more your erroneous use of it attached to my quote which was clearly done to make me look like I was supporting him when as I stated I never did .
You simply can't put Pandora back in the box once it's out, that was clear to everybody at the time, Wakefield wasn't the one that refused people single vaccine inoculations that was the establishment, if they had, I hypothecated that the decrease in uptake would have not been so severe as the "scandal" was MMR not vaccination, unfortunately the establishment has always had the attitude of I know best and you'll do as I say without compromise thus giving credence to the antivaxes "look there mandating it". | |||
"I think he meant this thread https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1064320" I'm not sure thats the thread she meant but i already held my hands up to that one. There was a link being shared around in the truth seeking groups i am in (so not a qanon one). The link showed lots of covid 19 testing kits being bought in 2018. It wasnt until cat delved in a little further into one of the PDF files where is only explained there that the "covid 19 test and equipment" had been renamed and updated after covid 19 was a thing. But cat himself/herself admitted that at first it was a WTF moment when they looked at the site initially. And once he/she got to the bottom of it i put my hands up and said i got it wrong and i even relayed the information back on the groups so it was no longer getting shared. | |||
"I think he meant this thread https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1064320 I'm not sure thats the thread she meant but i already held my hands up to that one. There was a link being shared around in the truth seeking groups i am in (so not a qanon one). The link showed lots of covid 19 testing kits being bought in 2018. It wasnt until cat delved in a little further into one of the PDF files where is only explained there that the "covid 19 test and equipment" had been renamed and updated after covid 19 was a thing. But cat himself/herself admitted that at first it was a WTF moment when they looked at the site initially. And once he/she got to the bottom of it i put my hands up and said i got it wrong and i even relayed the information back on the groups so it was no longer getting shared. " Fair enough...just pointing out what I thought was meant. I maybe wrong though | |||
"I think he meant this thread https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1064320 I'm not sure thats the thread she meant but i already held my hands up to that one. There was a link being shared around in the truth seeking groups i am in (so not a qanon one). The link showed lots of covid 19 testing kits being bought in 2018. It wasnt until cat delved in a little further into one of the PDF files where is only explained there that the "covid 19 test and equipment" had been renamed and updated after covid 19 was a thing. But cat himself/herself admitted that at first it was a WTF moment when they looked at the site initially. And once he/she got to the bottom of it i put my hands up and said i got it wrong and i even relayed the information back on the groups so it was no longer getting shared. Fair enough...just pointing out what I thought was meant. I maybe wrong though" No that was the one.. Cheers.. | |||
"Many of the conspiracy-related posts in this area of the forum have been fed by qanon and other dangerous outlets that certainly have no relationships to wanting the best for us. What utter nonsense. When it comes to covid and people not believing the scaremongering narrative has nothing to do with qanon most simply watching as WHO CDC and goverments flip flop back and forth, the constant adjusting statistics, the restrictions put in place that are completely out of proprtion to whats going on which makes them question it. Then they follow doctors and scientists that speak out about it and watch how their posts or videos are removed from social network as it goes against what the WHO have said. Its got zero to do with qanon... What are these other "dangerous outlets" you speak of? The only thing dangerous i see on here is people that openly admit how crappy the goverment are and how all they do is lie and give their buddys back hander million pound contracts, how they arw incompetent and completely untrustworthy and yet STILL do everything they are told to do. I find all you people scary and dangerous far more than i do this virus that statitics now show is no where near as deadly as media and goverments made out and still trying to make out. " The qanon and other groups that have amassed in recent times are not all distinct, as much of their purpose is to infiltrate, recruit, spread propaganda, influence and undermine much that has been keeping society healthier than without them. My points are not for the exclusive relevance to qanon, though my point stands that most of the conspuracy related posts that have been in this forum area since it was created, have shared content that is endemic on those sites, which they exist to spawn, propogating into any other parts of the Internet and society that they can. Obviously, I don't know you, nor your areas of interest, but have my own perspectives on how things have been 'managed' here and what I've seen posted by many in our forum. | |||
"I think he meant this thread https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1064320 I'm not sure thats the thread she meant but i already held my hands up to that one. There was a link being shared around in the truth seeking groups i am in (so not a qanon one). The link showed lots of covid 19 testing kits being bought in 2018. It wasnt until cat delved in a little further into one of the PDF files where is only explained there that the "covid 19 test and equipment" had been renamed and updated after covid 19 was a thing. But cat himself/herself admitted that at first it was a WTF moment when they looked at the site initially. And once he/she got to the bottom of it i put my hands up and said i got it wrong and i even relayed the information back on the groups so it was no longer getting shared. " It was good and understandable and I think most people here recognised the value of what you'd added, in our posts. | |||
"Many of the conspiracy-related posts in this area of the forum have been fed by qanon and other dangerous outlets that certainly have no relationships to wanting the best for us. What utter nonsense. When it comes to covid and people not believing the scaremongering narrative has nothing to do with qanon most simply watching as WHO CDC and goverments flip flop back and forth, the constant adjusting statistics, the restrictions put in place that are completely out of proprtion to whats going on which makes them question it. Then they follow doctors and scientists that speak out about it and watch how their posts or videos are removed from social network as it goes against what the WHO have said. Its got zero to do with qanon... What are these other "dangerous outlets" you speak of? The only thing dangerous i see on here is people that openly admit how crappy the goverment are and how all they do is lie and give their buddys back hander million pound contracts, how they arw incompetent and completely untrustworthy and yet STILL do everything they are told to do. I find all you people scary and dangerous far more than i do this virus that statitics now show is no where near as deadly as media and goverments made out and still trying to make out. " ... Are you aware that you can accept reality? Reality: the government are incompetent buffoons. Reality: we're in the middle of a deadly pandemic. You don't have to pick and choose only a certain amount of reality. And taking the virus seriously is not the same as obeying the government. The government can do one. | |||
"Many of the conspiracy-related posts in this area of the forum have been fed by qanon and other dangerous outlets that certainly have no relationships to wanting the best for us. What utter nonsense. When it comes to covid and people not believing the scaremongering narrative has nothing to do with qanon most simply watching as WHO CDC and goverments flip flop back and forth, the constant adjusting statistics, the restrictions put in place that are completely out of proprtion to whats going on which makes them question it. Then they follow doctors and scientists that speak out about it and watch how their posts or videos are removed from social network as it goes against what the WHO have said. Its got zero to do with qanon... What are these other "dangerous outlets" you speak of? The only thing dangerous i see on here is people that openly admit how crappy the goverment are and how all they do is lie and give their buddys back hander million pound contracts, how they arw incompetent and completely untrustworthy and yet STILL do everything they are told to do. I find all you people scary and dangerous far more than i do this virus that statitics now show is no where near as deadly as media and goverments made out and still trying to make out. ... Are you aware that you can accept reality? Reality: the government are incompetent buffoons. Reality: we're in the middle of a deadly pandemic. You don't have to pick and choose only a certain amount of reality. And taking the virus seriously is not the same as obeying the government. The government can do one." Al Gore called climate change an "Inconvenient Truth". This is a case of people creating an alternate reality that doesn't call on them to be responsible. For some reason they feel the need to justify their behaviour. The fact is that people charged with World Health know more about it than your mates down at the pub. | |||
" Al Gore called climate change an "Inconvenient Truth". " As did Gore himself . . . “Al Gore’s Inconvenient Reality,” that paints the former vice president as a hypocritical climate advocate. In near-creepy detail, NCPPR author Drew Johnson maps Gore’s home in Nashville, Tennessee, down to the number of windows, and concludes that “Gore’s own home electricity use has hypocritically increased to more than 21 times the national average this past year with no sign of slowing down.” Johnson also slams Gore’s numerous attempts to modernize his home through energy efficiency, solar panels, and geothermal heating, saying they have been inadequate in offsetting his energy use.  | |||
" Al Gore called climate change an "Inconvenient Truth". As did Gore himself . . . “Al Gore’s Inconvenient Reality,” that paints the former vice president as a hypocritical climate advocate. In near-creepy detail, NCPPR author Drew Johnson maps Gore’s home in Nashville, Tennessee, down to the number of windows, and concludes that “Gore’s own home electricity use has hypocritically increased to more than 21 times the national average this past year with no sign of slowing down.” Johnson also slams Gore’s numerous attempts to modernize his home through energy efficiency, solar panels, and geothermal heating, saying they have been inadequate in offsetting his energy use. "I didn't say Al Gore was a saint. Whether he is a hypocrite or not is beside the point. The point being, when the truth demands of us that we change our ways, then our ability to accept that change depends whether it suits us or not. Some deny Anthropological climate change when there are so many indicators that it is a reality. Some deny Covid-19 is a deadly virus when it has killed nearly a million people. Right now there are a reported more than 60 000 people list as serious or critical. Every day we are presented with new "facts" to prove Covid-19 is not serious. Then when you check the facts they are not just slightly in accurate but complete fabrications. When you corrected these "facts" they go quiet until they come up with a new one. | |||
" Al Gore called climate change an "Inconvenient Truth". As did Gore himself . . . “Al Gore’s Inconvenient Reality,” that paints the former vice president as a hypocritical climate advocate. In near-creepy detail, NCPPR author Drew Johnson maps Gore’s home in Nashville, Tennessee, down to the number of windows, and concludes that “Gore’s own home electricity use has hypocritically increased to more than 21 times the national average this past year with no sign of slowing down.” Johnson also slams Gore’s numerous attempts to modernize his home through energy efficiency, solar panels, and geothermal heating, saying they have been inadequate in offsetting his energy use.
I didn't say Al Gore was a saint. Whether he is a hypocrite or not is beside the point.
The point being, when the truth demands of us that we change our ways, then our ability to accept that change depends whether it suits us or not.
Some deny Anthropological climate change when there are so many indicators that it is a reality.
Some deny Covid-19 is a deadly virus when it has killed nearly a million people. Right now there are a reported more than 60 000 people list as serious or critical. Every day we are presented with new "facts" to prove Covid-19 is not serious. Then when you check the facts they are not just slightly in accurate but complete fabrications. When you corrected these "facts" they go quiet until they come up with a new one."I didn't say you did. Just highlighting that there is always the other side to the story. | |||
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"As for correcting peoples CON-spiricies it's full time dirty job lol "The same people who say 911 isn't dodge or that LHO killed Kennedy say it can't be a conspiracy because too many people would have to be involved. Yet those same people are quite happy to believe that thousands of health professionals around the world are singing from the same hymn sheet to pull the wool over our eyes. | |||
" Some deny Anthropological climate change when there are so many indicators that it is a reality. Some deny Covid-19 is a deadly virus when it has killed nearly a million people. Right now there are a reported more than 60 000 people list as serious or critical. Every day we are presented with new "facts" to prove Covid-19 is not serious. Then when you check the facts they are not just slightly in accurate but complete fabrications. When you corrected these "facts" they go quiet until they come up with a new one." The constant 'drip drip drip' of bullshit from these idiots varies from just bloody tedious through to blatantly dangerous if they manage to draw someone of equally debateable intellect into their orbit. A pandemic is not the right time to give these people access to a stage. | |||
"As for correcting peoples CON-spiricies it's full time dirty job lol "God it so is
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"So having lots of money makes him medically qualified then is that what you are saying? How many deaths from COVID 19, how many deaths from Cancer, I can see Cancer victims being the highest rate of deaths due to their appointments being cancelled because of this Covid. I have no medical or vacinne qualifications, but I look at what's happened since March of this year, lock downs, wearing of masks but the virus still seems to be on the increase. Test that don't test for Covid one minute the virus is reducing, next it's on the increase, heat kills it then the heatwave has helped spread it, maybe I'm missing something ere maybe it's the tin foil hat I'm wearing that prevents me from trying to make sense of all the contradictions of the government and the WHO and Bill Gates. Oh by the way you didn't tell me what Bill Gates medical and vacinne qualifications were" Don't think Bill Gates would need to have a medical qualification, just buy in people with the necessary qualifications. My boss doesn't have my expertise or qualifications but he has experience in other areas, I respect this and don't feel his lack of a formal qualification is detrimental to him conducting his tasks. Indeed, does an airline company need to be managed by a pilot. Just a thought. | |||
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"I find it strange that there allegedly are a smaller number of people who 9 supposedly questionning in their perspective and there's the rest of us who are hoodwinked servile recipients who accept, believe in fully and take anything that the government or MSM dishes out, like sponges which soak up any shite fed to us. " I think that there are a lot of us who think to lesser or greater degrees that the government has handled some aspects badly as equally some think they've done well in the circumstances etc.. The main differences being the majority notwithstanding the above see the virus as what it clearly is and that the mistakes made are down to many reasons but not some sort of Dr evil conspiracy bollocks.. | |||
"Every day we are presented with new "facts" to prove Covid-19 is not serious. Then when you check the facts they are not just slightly in accurate but complete fabrications. When you corrected these "facts" they go quiet until they come up with a new one." Sorry i don't live on the forums on a swingers site 24/7. No one goes quiet "until they come up with somthing new" People just have other things to do other than argue/debate/discuss on here all day long. | |||
"I find it strange that there allegedly are a smaller number of people who 9 supposedly questionning in their perspective and there's the rest of us who are hoodwinked servile recipients who accept, believe in fully and take anything that the government or MSM dishes out, like sponges which soak up any shite fed to us. I think that there are a lot of us who think to lesser or greater degrees that the government has handled some aspects badly as equally some think they've done well in the circumstances etc.. The main differences being the majority notwithstanding the above see the virus as what it clearly is and that the mistakes made are down to many reasons but not some sort of Dr evil conspiracy bollocks.. " I'm uncertain that anywhere in the near West has s population who's fully accepting of what their government has done and the official narrative, without question. | |||
"As for correcting peoples CON-spiricies it's full time dirty job lol "I'm not sure if you are correcting other posters on here, but you corrected one thing of mine, only the one and when it comes to this "virus" stuff there is so many inconsistencies and so many things not right about it that no i am sorry you have not debunked the "coronavirus conspiracy" you mearly corrected one tiny aspect where people was sharing and claiming covid 19 tests was being bought and sold a whole year before hand. The fact is those testing kits was being bought and sold from countrys all over the world. Just because the site said it updated the name of these testing kits to covid 19 after covid 19 was known, you seen the numbers for yourself, literally millioms and million of dollars from countrys all over. Didnt know testing kits was needed for flu,colds and other coronavirus's as ive certainly never known any one to have one of these tests until now. So the fact the site said they renamed the product to covid 19 testing kits and nearly every country buying or selling in the millions is still very suspicious to me. | |||
"I find it strange that there allegedly are a smaller number of people who 9 supposedly questionning in their perspective and there's the rest of us who are hoodwinked servile recipients who accept, believe in fully and take anything that the government or MSM dishes out, like sponges which soak up any shite fed to us. I think that there are a lot of us who think to lesser or greater degrees that the government has handled some aspects badly as equally some think they've done well in the circumstances etc.. The main differences being the majority notwithstanding the above see the virus as what it clearly is and that the mistakes made are down to many reasons but not some sort of Dr evil conspiracy bollocks.. " Well you really should get on the same page as the "dr evil conspiracy bollocks" because thats exactly were we are. | |||
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"I find it strange that there allegedly are a smaller number of people who 9 supposedly questionning in their perspective and there's the rest of us who are hoodwinked servile recipients who accept, believe in fully and take anything that the government or MSM dishes out, like sponges which soak up any shite fed to us. I think that there are a lot of us who think to lesser or greater degrees that the government has handled some aspects badly as equally some think they've done well in the circumstances etc.. The main differences being the majority notwithstanding the above see the virus as what it clearly is and that the mistakes made are down to many reasons but not some sort of Dr evil conspiracy bollocks.. I'm uncertain that anywhere in the near West has s population who's fully accepting of what their government has done and the official narrative, without question. " Oh no. But "maybe they screwed up/ could improve things" is a far cry from tinfoil Bill Gates 666 loony tunes bollocks | |||
"I find it strange that there allegedly are a smaller number of people who 9 supposedly questionning in their perspective and there's the rest of us who are hoodwinked servile recipients who accept, believe in fully and take anything that the government or MSM dishes out, like sponges which soak up any shite fed to us. I think that there are a lot of us who think to lesser or greater degrees that the government has handled some aspects badly as equally some think they've done well in the circumstances etc.. The main differences being the majority notwithstanding the above see the virus as what it clearly is and that the mistakes made are down to many reasons but not some sort of Dr evil conspiracy bollocks.. I'm uncertain that anywhere in the near West has s population who's fully accepting of what their government has done and the official narrative, without question. " Agreed..
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"Someone sent me this the other day. https://youtu.be/kLPPNyAnwCA Rik mayalls last film from 2014 called one by one. Its never been on cinema or tv. Id never even heared of it till he sent me it. Surpising a couple months after it he died of a "sudden heart attack" The movie covers a few things from 9/11, vaccines, depopulation, and other stuff. Maybe check it out sometime Or dont. Upto you "That was the one celebrity death that saddened me the most, Rik Mayall is my favourite comedian. His wife Barbara said that at least they know it's not his heart as it had been checked recently. Then the autopsy says heart attack. Very suspicious. As well as Rik confirming what we all knew, the 9/11 inside job, he was also very against the BBC paedophile ring. Jill Dando was murdered too for threatening to expose it. You'd think after the Jimmy Savile scandal the BBC would change. Never going to happen, the BBC still proudly display their paedophile sculpture made by paedophile Gill outside their London HQ. | |||
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"Dear so-called free domestic fearless people the fear is created by the people in power to hurd and minuplate the people. Its been going on for centuries snowflakes will die out soon as they won't be able to survive the hardships incoming.The reset of the economy will increase the price of foods and inflation across the world. Expect plenty of violence to become the norm soon. The the virus was the exuse to shutdown the world and take control of all the money! " The snowflakes as you seem to infer have lasted well and in far worse times than this.. Pray tell, what's to come? | |||
"But you trust a vacinne by a University run and paid for by Bill Gates??" It is not run by Bill Gates where do you get this crap from. Even if it was would be happy with that. But it is not | |||
"Every day we are presented with new "facts" to prove Covid-19 is not serious. Then when you check the facts they are not just slightly in accurate but complete fabrications. When you corrected these "facts" they go quiet until they come up with a new one. Sorry i don't live on the forums on a swingers site 24/7. No one goes quiet "until they come up with somthing new" People just have other things to do other than argue/debate/discuss on here all day long. " So someone here says 1 + 1 = 3 You get your calculator out and say you think it is 2 why do they think it's 3? No response except a day later when they say it's 4. I don't live on fab swingers either but if someone challenged me on something I said and it was absolute bollocks I'd either have to defend my stance, admit I was wrong or run away. Since so many of us don't have the fortitude to defend their stance, nor the character to admit when they've being talking crap, they tend to run away. | |||
"But you trust a vacinne by a University run and paid for by Bill Gates??It is not run by Bill Gates where do you get this crap from. Even if it was would be happy with that. But it is not" Prime example of what I have been saying. This keeps going like a stuck record. Look up UKRI and its funding. "UK Research and Innovation (UKRI) is a non-departmental public body of the Government of the United Kingdom that directs research and innovation funding, funded through the science budget of the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy" | |||
"Dear so-called free domestic fearless people the fear is created by the people in power to hurd and minuplate the people. Its been going on for centuries snowflakes will die out soon as they won't be able to survive the hardships incoming.The reset of the economy will increase the price of foods and inflation across the world. Expect plenty of violence to become the norm soon. The the virus was the exuse to shutdown the world and take control of all the money! " Strong words from someone who has porn pics as their profile photos. | |||
"Dear so-called free domestic fearless people the fear is created by the people in power to hurd and minuplate the people. Its been going on for centuries snowflakes will die out soon as they won't be able to survive the hardships incoming.The reset of the economy will increase the price of foods and inflation across the world. Expect plenty of violence to become the norm soon. The the virus was the exuse to shutdown the world and take control of all the money! Strong words from someone who has porn pics as their profile photos. " oops.. | |||
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"But you trust a vacinne by a University run and paid for by Bill Gates??It is not run by Bill Gates where do you get this crap from. Even if it was would be happy with that. But it is not Prime example of what I have been saying. This keeps going like a stuck record. Look up UKRI and its funding. "UK Research and Innovation (UKRI) is a non-departmental public body of the Government of the United Kingdom that directs research and innovation funding, funded through the science budget of the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy"" Yes he funds it but so do others thst is all he does.All these things have to be funded | |||
"Dear so-called free domestic fearless people the fear is created by the people in power to hurd and minuplate the people. Its been going on for centuries snowflakes will die out soon as they won't be able to survive the hardships incoming.The reset of the economy will increase the price of foods and inflation across the world. Expect plenty of violence to become the norm soon. The the virus was the exuse to shutdown the world and take control of all the money! " Sounds like the people in power have made a start by faking medication... | |||
"Dear so-called free domestic fearless people the fear is created by the people in power to hurd and minuplate the people. Its been going on for centuries snowflakes will die out soon as they won't be able to survive the hardships incoming.The reset of the economy will increase the price of foods and inflation across the world. Expect plenty of violence to become the norm soon. The the virus was the exuse to shutdown the world and take control of all the money! Strong words from someone who has porn pics as their profile photos. oops.."Hastily removed porn pics it seems... | |||
"Every day we are presented with new "facts" to prove Covid-19 is not serious. Then when you check the facts they are not just slightly in accurate but complete fabrications. When you corrected these "facts" they go quiet until they come up with a new one. Sorry i don't live on the forums on a swingers site 24/7. No one goes quiet "until they come up with somthing new" People just have other things to do other than argue/debate/discuss on here all day long. So someone here says 1 + 1 = 3 You get your calculator out and say you think it is 2 why do they think it's 3? No response except a day later when they say it's 4. I don't live on fab swingers either but if someone challenged me on something I said and it was absolute bollocks I'd either have to defend my stance, admit I was wrong or run away. Since so many of us don't have the fortitude to defend their stance, nor the character to admit when they've being talking crap, they tend to run away." . I'll challenge you, you were quite insistent at the beginning of this outbreak that the CFR was between 10 and 25% , numerous threads spouting the end is nigh, turns out it's actually around 0.3% , would you care to apologise to the millions you scared witless with your unrealistic and totally unfounded propaganda?. I suspect like most you'll either deny you did it or pretend you've not read my reply?. | |||
"Every day we are presented with new "facts" to prove Covid-19 is not serious. Then when you check the facts they are not just slightly in accurate but complete fabrications. When you corrected these "facts" they go quiet until they come up with a new one. Sorry i don't live on the forums on a swingers site 24/7. No one goes quiet "until they come up with somthing new" People just have other things to do other than argue/debate/discuss on here all day long. So someone here says 1 + 1 = 3 You get your calculator out and say you think it is 2 why do they think it's 3? No response except a day later when they say it's 4. I don't live on fab swingers either but if someone challenged me on something I said and it was absolute bollocks I'd either have to defend my stance, admit I was wrong or run away. Since so many of us don't have the fortitude to defend their stance, nor the character to admit when they've being talking crap, they tend to run away.. I'll challenge you, you were quite insistent at the beginning of this outbreak that the CFR was between 10 and 25% , numerous threads spouting the end is nigh, turns out it's actually around 0.3% , would you care to apologise to the millions you scared witless with your unrealistic and totally unfounded propaganda?. I suspect like most you'll either deny you did it or pretend you've not read my reply?. " Those the figures at the time. I provided links to prove they were accurate. I never said the end was nigh so that's just crap. The current CFR is 4% so your 0.3% is hopelessly wrong. There are not even a fab membership of a million, much less those who go on the forums. As for scaring people. Clearly, looking at our state of unpreparedness were weren't scared enough. FYI there are 21,522,179 closed cases and 938,987 fatalities = 4%. No no apology from me. Just a polite request to get your facts straight please. | |||
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"Dear so-called free domestic fearless people the fear is created by the people in power to hurd and minuplate the people. Its been going on for centuries snowflakes will die out soon as they won't be able to survive the hardships incoming.The reset of the economy will increase the price of foods and inflation across the world. Expect plenty of violence to become the norm soon. The the virus was the exuse to shutdown the world and take control of all the money! " What?
If these people have and have had, absolute power for centuries, why would they need to go to the elaborate bother of a global charade, when they can just impose any changes that they want at any time. The snowflakes you refer to are presumably primed via Darwinian principles of natural selection, to be able to survive much worse than we have now, pr that you suggest is on its way, presumably as these leadrrs are somewhat thoughtful, giving us some time to prepare. | |||
"Dear so-called free domestic fearless people the fear is created by the people in power to hurd and minuplate the people. Its been going on for centuries snowflakes will die out soon as they won't be able to survive the hardships incoming.The reset of the economy will increase the price of foods and inflation across the world. Expect plenty of violence to become the norm soon. The the virus was the exuse to shutdown the world and take control of all the money! " Oooh that's lovely Jaydon dear. Now you get tucked in and Matron will be round with the drugs trolley soon. Would you like to use the commode before dinner or after.....of course I'm listening to what will happen to the world dear, now stop trying to touch me. | |||
"Dear so-called free domestic fearless people the fear is created by the people in power to hurd and minuplate the people. Its been going on for centuries snowflakes will die out soon as they won't be able to survive the hardships incoming.The reset of the economy will increase the price of foods and inflation across the world. Expect plenty of violence to become the norm soon. The the virus was the exuse to shutdown the world and take control of all the money! Oooh that's lovely Jaydon dear. Now you get tucked in and Matron will be round with the drugs trolley soon. Would you like to use the commode before dinner or after.....of course I'm listening to what will happen to the world dear, now stop trying to touch me. "That read out like Kenneth williams was talking | |||
"Every day we are presented with new "facts" to prove Covid-19 is not serious. Then when you check the facts they are not just slightly in accurate but complete fabrications. When you corrected these "facts" they go quiet until they come up with a new one. Sorry i don't live on the forums on a swingers site 24/7. No one goes quiet "until they come up with somthing new" People just have other things to do other than argue/debate/discuss on here all day long. So someone here says 1 + 1 = 3 You get your calculator out and say you think it is 2 why do they think it's 3? No response except a day later when they say it's 4. I don't live on fab swingers either but if someone challenged me on something I said and it was absolute bollocks I'd either have to defend my stance, admit I was wrong or run away. Since so many of us don't have the fortitude to defend their stance, nor the character to admit when they've being talking crap, they tend to run away.. I'll challenge you, you were quite insistent at the beginning of this outbreak that the CFR was between 10 and 25% , numerous threads spouting the end is nigh, turns out it's actually around 0.3% , would you care to apologise to the millions you scared witless with your unrealistic and totally unfounded propaganda?. I suspect like most you'll either deny you did it or pretend you've not read my reply?. " Scared witless..pmsl.. | |||
"Indeed all entitled to an opinion, but when our opinions are suppressed, when our rights are slowly taken away, when we become the property of the Government for the benefit of the elite, then I will stand up for those rights. Now you mention my scientific vaccine background, do tell me the Medical Qualifications of Mr Gates" Fortunately freedom of speech and having an opinion does not include libel, allowing false allegations on a forum is deplorable and moderators should take note. | |||
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"Every day we are presented with new "facts" to prove Covid-19 is not serious. Then when you check the facts they are not just slightly in accurate but complete fabrications. When you corrected these "facts" they go quiet until they come up with a new one. Sorry i don't live on the forums on a swingers site 24/7. No one goes quiet "until they come up with somthing new" People just have other things to do other than argue/debate/discuss on here all day long. So someone here says 1 + 1 = 3 You get your calculator out and say you think it is 2 why do they think it's 3? No response except a day later when they say it's 4. I don't live on fab swingers either but if someone challenged me on something I said and it was absolute bollocks I'd either have to defend my stance, admit I was wrong or run away. Since so many of us don't have the fortitude to defend their stance, nor the character to admit when they've being talking crap, they tend to run away.. I'll challenge you, you were quite insistent at the beginning of this outbreak that the CFR was between 10 and 25% , numerous threads spouting the end is nigh, turns out it's actually around 0.3% , would you care to apologise to the millions you scared witless with your unrealistic and totally unfounded propaganda?. I suspect like most you'll either deny you did it or pretend you've not read my reply?. Scared witless..pmsl.. "Oh the irony....  | |||
