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Sweden infection rate

By *ap d agde couple OP Couple over a year ago

Broadstairs

Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s a lot more complicated than that.

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By *ap d agde couple OP Couple over a year ago

Broadstairs

Think it’s self explanatory there rates are lower and achieved without a lockdown

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By *hebritukCouple over a year ago

London

Only 10m people live In Sweden

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn."

it might do "at the moment"... but actually its scandi neighbours (Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Finland) have all had much lower rates of infection, and much lower deaths.....

p.s why it is thats its only people in countries that had dealt with their covid response really poorly that ever bring up sweden...... and try to make a comparision...

lets compare sweden to new zealand.... hows that go!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn."

In Sweden 5,846 people have died from Covid 19, in Denmark 629 have died, and in Norway 265.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wish I was swedish right now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn."
Yes it is good news and it shows that their model is working as you have to look at it over time, business as usual

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn.Yes it is good news and it shows that their model is working as you have to look at it over time, business as usual

The World Health Organisation has praised them so there you go..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’d mention the imperial college modelling predIctions for Sweden but it seems to confuse people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The World Health Organisation has praised them so there you go..

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Yes that is good as well, whilst everyone was doubting sweden they did the right thing

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

The World Health Organisation has praised them so there you go..

Seen it on facebook about WHO and sweden but no other sources. Swedens death rates and infection rates are for the first time below the other Scandinavian countries but their total death rate has been 12 to 30 times the other comparable countries so i am not sure we should be holding them up as paragons of virtue. That said as a country the swedes have generally practiced social distancing and mask wearing without being forced to.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

The World Health Organisation has praised them so there you go..

Update Have found links of one WHO special envoys mainly praising the swedish people for doing things to prevent covid spread without being forced to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The World Health Organisation has praised them so there you go..

Update Have found links of one WHO special envoys mainly praising the swedish people for doing things to prevent covid spread without being forced to."
Yes they are good at following rules, which shows how effective it was.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

The World Health Organisation has praised them so there you go..

Update Have found links of one WHO special envoys mainly praising the swedish people for doing things to prevent covid spread without being forced to.Yes they are good at following rules, which shows how effective it was."

Their infection and death rates have been amongst the worst in the world til the last week so i think we need to wait before thinking they have done the right thing. They have relaxed a lot of their social distancing rules this week so time will tell.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn."

If you compare Sweden to its neighbours Norway and Finland ( who locked down), Sweden has done far far worse in infection rates, deaths and the economy.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

I remember the good old days when all we had to worry about with Sweden was if ABBA were going to be number one for 20 weeks or 30 and if the new video would feature tight spandex...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371"

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths."

Wait and see. There's still far too many people thinking this will be 'over next year'... reality check, it WON'T. It's an endemic virus now & eventually everyone will get it at least once. If you can't fight it off, with or without medical help, you'll die from it.

It's harsh but it's the reality of the situation. The big difference is that the Swedes seem to have realized this far earlier than the rest of us and reacted accordingly.

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By *ap d agde couple OP Couple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths.

It's harsh but it's the reality of the situation. The big difference is that the Swedes seem to have realized this far earlier than the rest of us and reacted accordingly."
It does not matter how many Lockdowns you have the virus will still be there same as colds , there has to be a reality check

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’d mention the imperial college modelling predIctions for Sweden but it seems to confuse people."

What is it?

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By *elly babesCouple over a year ago

Manchester

You can't compare the economy of the Nordic countries to ours they are less reliant on the service industry than us

Secondly they are a well spread out country thus automatic distance happens

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

We have already proved as a country we can’t do what they have done.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn."

Their population is also very widely spaced.

But here's another thing - The UK isn't in Sweden.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn.

Their population is also very widely spaced.

But here's another thing - The UK isn't in Sweden. "

Exactly, people latch on to an example like Sweden and use it as a reason for us to change what we have done when they know nothing g about the place other than flat pack furniture and meatballs.

The sooner we face up to the reality we are going to be living with disruption to our lives for a while the better the chance that disruption will be around for less time.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths.

It's harsh but it's the reality of the situation. The big difference is that the Swedes seem to have realized this far earlier than the rest of us and reacted accordingly.

It does not matter how many Lockdowns you have the virus will still be there same as colds , there has to be a reality check "

“...... It does not matter how many Lockdowns you have the virus will still be there.....”

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The virus will still be there, but lockdowns work by preventing the virus from spreading exponentially.

When we have better control measures like vaccines, treatments / therapy like drugs, better testing track and trace systems, then there will be little or no need for lockdowns.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn.

Their population is also very widely spaced.

But here's another thing - The UK isn't in Sweden.

Exactly, people latch on to an example like Sweden and use it as a reason for us to change what we have done when they know nothing g about the place other than flat pack furniture and meatballs.

The sooner we face up to the reality we are going to be living with disruption to our lives for a while the better the chance that disruption will be around for less time."

Entirely agree - dealing with what we have here right now in this moment is what we all should be doing - but so many people just want to play 'COVID TRIVIA' 'What country for 9 points . . . ' etc etc.

When I look out of my own front window I see the UK not Sweden. When I turn on the TV I hear UK News not Scandinavian News.

(though do however make some cracking TV Miniseries lol).

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By *ap d agde couple OP Couple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths.

It's harsh but it's the reality of the situation. The big difference is that the Swedes seem to have realized this far earlier than the rest of us and reacted accordingly.

It does not matter how many Lockdowns you have the virus will still be there same as colds , there has to be a reality check

“...... It does not matter how many Lockdowns you have the virus will still be there.....”

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The virus will still be there, but lockdowns work by preventing the virus from spreading exponentially.

When we have better control measures like vaccines, treatments / therapy like drugs, better testing track and trace systems, then there will be little or no need for lockdowns. "
If that ever happens

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By *own and countryCouple over a year ago

Tewkesbury

My thoughts that the long term will be the only way to judge efficacy.

Poverty shortens lives.

Lack of diagnosis of cancer etc

There are many factors .

No idea which country is right..

We can only hope ours is ...

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths.

It's harsh but it's the reality of the situation. The big difference is that the Swedes seem to have realized this far earlier than the rest of us and reacted accordingly. It does not matter how many Lockdowns you have the virus will still be there same as colds , there has to be a reality check "

Apart from it’s not the same as a cold, is it?

-Matt

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By *ap d agde couple OP Couple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths.

Apart from it’s not the same as a cold, is it?

-Matt"
obviously we meant like a cold don’t matter what you do it will be there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We have already proved as a country we can’t do what they have done. "
I think if the people followed the rules more it might work as well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We have already proved as a country we can’t do what they have done. I think if the people followed the rules more it might work as well

Scandinavians don’t follow rules better than anyone else, they just understand the benefits of looking after society as a whole rather than thinking only they, personally, matter.

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths.

Apart from it’s not the same as a cold, is it?

-Matt"

That's true, you know when you catch a cold, you need to take a test to find out if you've got covid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths.

It's harsh but it's the reality of the situation. The big difference is that the Swedes seem to have realized this far earlier than the rest of us and reacted accordingly.

It does not matter how many Lockdowns you have the virus will still be there same as colds , there has to be a reality check

“...... It does not matter how many Lockdowns you have the virus will still be there.....”

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The virus will still be there, but lockdowns work by preventing the virus from spreading exponentially.

When we have better control measures like vaccines, treatments / therapy like drugs, better testing track and trace systems, then there will be little or no need for lockdowns. If that ever happens "

We need to realise that Long Covid is the biggest threat. 5% of people infected with Covid are still recovering. Herd immunity should never be an option with a virus like this- exposing literally large numbers of people to potential long term side effects. SARS 1 has showed that there are long term side effects and whilst Covid is not as severe a disease way more people have been infected.

The effects of this virus are going to be with large numbers of people for many years to come

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn.

it might do "at the moment"... but actually its scandi neighbours (Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Finland) have all had much lower rates of infection, and much lower deaths.....

p.s why it is thats its only people in countries that had dealt with their covid response really poorly that ever bring up sweden...... and try to make a comparision...

lets compare sweden to new zealand.... hows that go! "

Bloody good point.

And what about Jacinda Ardern? Very effective leader and hot as hell.

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By *ap d agde couple OP Couple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths.

It's harsh but it's the reality of the situation. The big difference is that the Swedes seem to have realized this far earlier than the rest of us and reacted accordingly.

It does not matter how many Lockdowns you have the virus will still be there same as colds , there has to be a reality check

“...... It does not matter how many Lockdowns you have the virus will still be there.....”

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The virus will still be there, but lockdowns work by preventing the virus from spreading exponentially.

When we have better control measures like vaccines, treatments / therapy like drugs, better testing track and trace systems, then there will be little or no need for lockdowns. If that ever happens

The effects of this virus are going to be with large numbers of people for many years to come "
So let’s shut down and go back to the Stone Age far safer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So let’s shut down and go back to the Stone Age far safer "

Why do you equate ‘not being able to do exactly as you want’ to ‘shutting down and going back to the Stone Age’?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you have ever been to Sweden or Finland or Denmark you would notice that social distancing was commonplace long before 2020.

They like their personal space and don’t invade others.

Just google “Swedish Bus Queue” and you will see what I mean.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"It’s a lot more complicated than that."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We have already proved as a country we can’t do what they have done. I think if the people followed the rules more it might work as well

Scandinavians don’t follow rules better than anyone else, they just understand the benefits of looking after society as a whole rather than thinking only they, personally, matter."

So many in the UK only give a shit about themselves.

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By *orseydaveMan over a year ago

Norwich NR5

Several posters mention the deaths tally, I;m intrigued why no one ever posts a RIP covid death on facebook, they don't exist.

I'm further intrigued that here in Norfolk the local papers will have it that over a hundred have died, yet anyone with half a brain and £9.50 spare can search the Births,marriages and deaths website and they have recorded just 7 deaths, and the youngest was 71.

Just two weeks ago my friends father died. He'd been on the Stroke Ward since July. When my friend collected his fathers death certificate, he was shocked to discover "Corona" had been recorded as the cause of death, and rightly so he made an appointment with the hospital registra to query this. He was even more shocked to be told "I'm sorry but we are under pressure to record all deaths as corona related unless the person was involved in an accident that caused the death.

I consider myself a level headed businessman, with some 40+ years experience, and I've never been a conspiracy theory reader, but something about this corona just doesn't add up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Several posters mention the deaths tally, I;m intrigued why no one ever posts a RIP covid death on facebook, they don't exist.

I consider myself a level headed businessman, with some 40+ years experience, and I've never been a conspiracy theory reader, but something about this corona just doesn't add up. "

Then the hospital registrar has just admitted that he/she has broken the law. It is VERY illegal to deliberately record an incorrect cause of death.

More likely Covid was noted as a contributory or underlying cause, as is perfectly normal for any condition that has contributed to a person’s death.

More likely still your ‘friend’ wasn’t told that at all.

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By *az080378Woman over a year ago

Cromer

"Several posters mention the deaths tally, I;m intrigued why no one ever posts a RIP covid death on facebook, they don't exist.

I consider myself a level headed businessman, with some 40+ years experience, and I've never been a conspiracy theory reader, but something about this corona just doesn't add up. "

7 deaths in what period of time?!

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By *amish SMan over a year ago

Eastleigh

"Think it’s self explanatory there rates are lower and achieved without a lockdown "

Maybe it's because the Swedish population can follow simple rules, same rules as the UK had I do believe.

Face masks, pretty pointless, yet again yesterday saw one person removing it so they could cough into their hand. Some still think it protects them and not others. Still think the best solution is, avoid, distance, do not touch face and wash hands. Seemed to work well in March /April.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Chucking my 2 pence in

Personally, I think that Sweden have been very brave with the more relaxed approach, but it worked well.

I check stats and follow the graphs (almost daily) and if you compare the infection rate graphs between UK and Sweden they are VERY different... HOWEVER.... the deaths graphs are very very similar.

Granted they have 1/6 of our population and a larger land mass and may be less densely populated - but the number of people infected vs the deaths has become more polar over time in both nations. I am not entirely sure that the current measures are actually saving lives any more.

13th sept - 3330 new cases in the UK, and 5 deaths.

Just to.put things in perspective: on average 5 people a day die in the UK because of road accidents, and we haven't banned cars.

450 people a day in the UK die because of cancer and investigations & treatments are being delayed because of covid.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

When you don't hear anything about SWE on the media, you know they are probably doing okay.

Same goes for USA, cases down 18% deaths down 19% Nationally.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When you don't hear anything about SWE on the media, you know they are probably doing okay.

Same goes for USA, cases down 18% deaths down 19% Nationally. "
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It would be interesting to know if anybody has seen statistics on how many people with zero comorbiditys have died from covid?.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When you don't hear anything about SWE on the media, you know they are probably doing okay.

Same goes for USA, cases down 18% deaths down 19% Nationally. "

...and it’s only taken 6.5 million cases and 200,000 deaths.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Chucking my 2 pence in

Personally, I think that Sweden have been very brave with the more relaxed approach, but it worked well.

I check stats and follow the graphs (almost daily) and if you compare the infection rate graphs between UK and Sweden they are VERY different... HOWEVER.... the deaths graphs are very very similar.

13th sept - 3330 new cases in the UK, and 5 deaths.

Just to.put things in perspective: on average 5 people a day die in the UK because of road accidents, and we haven't banned cars.

450 people a day in the UK die because of cancer and investigations & treatments are being delayed because of covid. "

You quote 3,300 infections and aren't sure the measures are right anymore. Presumably you accept that they were right before, as we cut very significantly the levels that we did have. Are you thinking measures aren't strict enough, or that we should give up? This wasn't clear from your post.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

I posted this elsewhere . . .

'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .

England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.

Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.

United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.

Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

"When you don't hear anything about SWE on the media, you know they are probably doing okay.

Same goes for USA, cases down 18% deaths down 19% Nationally. .

It would be interesting to know if anybody has seen statistics on how many people with zero comorbiditys have died from covid?."

What % of the population have zero comorbidities. Asthma, copd, cancer survivors, BMI over 30, aged over 70, high blood pressure, diabetes list goes on.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"Chucking my 2 pence in

Personally, I think that Sweden have been very brave with the more relaxed approach, but it worked well.

I check stats and follow the graphs (almost daily) and if you compare the infection rate graphs between UK and Sweden they are VERY different... HOWEVER.... the deaths graphs are very very similar.

13th sept - 3330 new cases in the UK, and 5 deaths.

Just to.put things in perspective: on average 5 people a day die in the UK because of road accidents, and we haven't banned cars.

450 people a day in the UK die because of cancer and investigations & treatments are being delayed because of covid. "

"....Granted they have 1/6 of our population and a larger land mass and may be less densely populated..."

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And that's a good reason why you should not be comparing the UK to Sweden in the first place.

More like an apple and oranges comparison.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When you don't hear anything about SWE on the media, you know they are probably doing okay.

Same goes for USA, cases down 18% deaths down 19% Nationally. .

It would be interesting to know if anybody has seen statistics on how many people with zero comorbiditys have died from covid?.

What % of the population have zero comorbidities. Asthma, copd, cancer survivors, BMI over 30, aged over 70, high blood pressure, diabetes list goes on. "
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I believe the three that's top of the list is hypertension, renal disease and heart disease, I'm not sure if the UK keep the stats but I think I read in America it was 620 out of the approx 150,000 deaths and approx 25millon infections, is it possible there just outliers, deaths amongst children seem to be so low there barely measurable, perhaps the route cause of alot of deaths from many viruses is our lifestyles, maybe the long term change is lowering the amount of cormobidites per person, I think in the UK the average per death from Corona virus is 2.7 and 82 years of age, mitigating factors for any illness no doubt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sweden appears to be the country that decided to ignore the predictions of the Imperial College modelling.

They predicted that without mitigation they would have 96,000 deaths by July.

With just social distancing and hand hygiene they could reduce that 96,000 by 15%.

With a full European style lockdown they could reduce that 96,000 by 50%.

They chose the middle ground and at this moment have less than 6,000 deaths.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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And that's a good reason why you should not be comparing the UK to Sweden in the first place.

More like an apple and oranges comparison."

It isn't a direct comparison, more noting the distinct difference in infection rates due do different approaches, however the shape of the "deaths" curve is very similar.

This is not my academic field, and I doubt very much it is anybody else's here either, so we are all speculating. As I stated - was throwing my 2 pence in, and all based on personal opinion and observation of publicly recorded data.

I do however - personally - feel that lockdown should be based on the infection to death rate, rather than R number now. As with the Flu - deadly to some, a week off work for others (despite vaccines, people still suffer and pass away fron flu). It is a new virus, and should be dealt with cautiously, but so should people's overall well being, children's education, peoples jobs, peoples businesses, and mental health.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

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And that's a good reason why you should not be comparing the UK to Sweden in the first place.

More like an apple and oranges comparison.

It isn't a direct comparison, more noting the distinct difference in infection rates due do different approaches, however the shape of the "deaths" curve is very similar.

I sort of get what you are saying. The problems are covid is a lot more infectious than flu, you can spread it asymptomatically, its at least 3 times as deadly as flu. We have no vaccine. The reason you use R number instead of death rate is there is a lag of 3 to 4 weeks if the was a rise in death rate it would be too late to control infection spread.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Which is where the comparison to the Swedish infection/death rates come into my point. Despite the sample size it shows the vast difference in infectiin, however similarly in deaths. The Swedish have no dip or peak as we do but the death curve is very much the same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sadly the law of diminished returns will apply to even viruses, deaths would always come down as the most weak and ill die first and easiest

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

Think it’s self explanatory there rates are lower and achieved without a lockdown "
I know a LOT of scandinavian and if they are told to social distance and not have house parties then that's what they do.

Tell 10 Brits and they will have a meeting to discuss why they shouldn't do it

Different culture

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

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And that's a good reason why you should not be comparing the UK to Sweden in the first place.

More like an apple and oranges comparison.

It isn't a direct comparison, more noting the distinct difference in infection rates due do different approaches, however the shape of the "deaths" curve is very similar.

"...more noting the distinct difference in infection rates due do different approaches..."

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That IS making a comparison between the UK and Sweden.

When making a comparison, it is better to do so between two countries with similar geographical size, population size, population density and demographics.

You can't be comparing the UK to the USA; nor the UK to New Zealand, when there are vast differences in demographics between these countries. You can compare the UK with France or Spain for example.

If you want to make comparisons about Sweden; then compare Sweden with its Neighbours - Norway and Finland or with other Scandinavian / Nordic countries

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

lets compare sweden to new zealand.... hows that go! "

Pretty pointless comparison as New Zealand cannot return to normal life until (if) an effective, safe vaccine comes along. Meanwhile Sweden has reached herd immunity.

The sooner people get it into their heads that Zero Covid is impossible unless you fully isolate on an island the better.

For a decent statistical analysis of Sweden and other European countries Google for (as I'm probably not allowed to link) on Youtube

"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"

It should be compulsory viewing for everyone

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That IS making a comparison between the UK and Sweden.

When making a comparison, it is better to do so between two countries with similar geographical size, population size, population density and demographics.

You can't be comparing the UK to the USA; nor the UK to New Zealand, when there are vast differences in demographics between these countries. You can compare the UK with France or Spain for example.

If you want to make comparisons about Sweden; then compare Sweden with its Neighbours - Norway and Finland or with other Scandinavian / Nordic countries"

Only comparison is that of the reported infection and death data, think you are missing the point. I am not comparing them as countries, just acknowledging the different approaches leading to different infection rate graphs, but a striking similarity between the deaths. The death rate curve follows a similar pattern in many countries - such as Italy, France, amd Gremany, but the most notable difference in the infection graphs is that of Sweden.

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By *avidandherCouple over a year ago

Manchester

The R number is a totally false statistic. Different parts of the population behave in different ways and react differently when infected.

R in the old and vulnerable is important, even if low, as they live in close contact with others and carers in space poor care homes. Home care is also a very intimate process likely to transfer the virus.

Due to the appalling lack of PPE, many front line health care staff were infected. They are now possibly highly immune and have PPE their R numbers should now be low.

Many more mature people should be able to assess their own risks and take care at work and with the family. Common sense should reduce their R rates.

Youngsters and children are generally pretty resistant to the virus. If they have a high R rate, they will not overwhelm the NHS. The more socially active ones may well infect each other and then form an immune bubble. Their lives are badly impacted socially and financially by a relatively harmless virus, we need to cut them some slack.

We are going to have to learn to live with this virus like we do with the more infectious flu, colds and norovirus.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The R number is a totally false statistic. Different parts of the population behave in different ways and react differently when infected.

Due to the appalling lack of PPE, many front line health care staff were infected. They are now possibly highly immune and have PPE their R numbers should now be low.

Many more mature people should be able to assess their own risks and take care at work and with the family. Common sense should reduce their R rates.

We are going to have to learn to live with this virus like we do with the more infectious flu, colds and norovirus.

Mmmmmm flu colds more infectious, maybe but not as life threatening, are you from Bolton ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

lets compare sweden to new zealand.... hows that go!

Pretty pointless comparison as New Zealand cannot return to normal life until (if) an effective, safe vaccine comes along. Meanwhile Sweden has reached herd immunity.

The sooner people get it into their heads that Zero Covid is impossible unless you fully isolate on an island the better.

For a decent statistical analysis of Sweden and other European countries Google for (as I'm probably not allowed to link) on Youtube

"Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!"

It should be compulsory viewing for everyone

Sweden had not reached herd immunity, less than 20% of Stockholm has been infected and that is by far the highest infection percentage in the country.

For herd immunity you need 70% infection.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

We are going to have to learn to live with this virus like we do with the more infectious flu, colds and norovirus.

Seriously ?

Have you been asleep for 6 months ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

sweden has a population of 10 million.

how much does the uk have?

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

They have about 3 -4 hours of light a day and are quite poor in comparison so tend to stay in more and read, similar to Iceland

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By *amish SMan over a year ago

Eastleigh

"When you don't hear anything about SWE on the media, you know they are probably doing okay.

Same goes for USA, cases down 18% deaths down 19% Nationally. .

It would be interesting to know if anybody has seen statistics on how many people with zero comorbiditys have died from covid?."

Germany

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By *iker boy 69Man over a year ago

midlands

"Several posters mention the deaths tally, I;m intrigued why no one ever posts a RIP covid death on facebook, they don't exist.

I consider myself a level headed businessman, with some 40+ years experience, and I've never been a conspiracy theory reader, but something about this corona just doesn't add up. "

I ssid something similar on here a couple of weeks back and got shot down... someone dies WITH carona(symptoms), or they die directly from carona.. what are the true numbers of folk dying directly from.. im one of the selfish ones now though, as im past believing anything about it. Can do this but cant do that... when one is totally more dangerous than the other, if its true.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Several posters mention the deaths tally, I;m intrigued why no one ever posts a RIP covid death on facebook, they don't exist.

I consider myself a level headed businessman, with some 40+ years experience, and I've never been a conspiracy theory reader, but something about this corona just doesn't add up.

No one has ever died of AIDS but would you be happy to inject yourself with it?

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By *iker boy 69Man over a year ago

midlands

"Several posters mention the deaths tally, I;m intrigued why no one ever posts a RIP covid death on facebook, they don't exist.

I consider myself a level headed businessman, with some 40+ years experience, and I've never been a conspiracy theory reader, but something about this corona just doesn't add up.

No one has ever died of AIDS but would you be happy to inject yourself with it?"

What a stupid comparison.. everyone knows aids kills your immune system, so any ailment will kill you. The issue here, is folks are dying of other things, but have carona symptoms, so its getting put on death certs. Fuck me, ive just broke my foot in 4 places but if i went to hospital with a temp, but died from gangrene, then covid would be on my cert

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By *ay3Man over a year ago

near sandy

In general the nordic countries are clean, the people are clean. Their pollution levels are lower. They are very compliant people.. maybe that's something we can all learn from.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"They have about 3 -4 hours of light a day and are quite poor in comparison so tend to stay in more and read, similar to Iceland "

You forgot to put a sarcastic sign at the end of that bullshit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"sweden has a population of 10 million.

how much does the uk have?"

The UK population is 66 million. Swedens population density (the size of country divide by their population) is the 159th in world while the UK it is 32nd. Those interested in new Zealand they are 166th.the lowest density in world is greenland that 192nd and it just ice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Several posters mention the deaths tally, I;m intrigued why no one ever posts a RIP covid death on facebook, they don't exist.

I consider myself a level headed businessman, with some 40+ years experience, and I've never been a conspiracy theory reader, but something about this corona just doesn't add up.

No one has ever died of AIDS but would you be happy to inject yourself with it?

Covid19 can only legally be assigned as a cause of death (primary or contributory) if the doctor believes it at least contributed to your death.

Unsurprisingly a massively debilitating virus is believed by doctors to be a contributory cause of death in people who contract it and then die from something else. This semantic bullshit about dying with or from Covid is the most disingenuous, heartless crap I have ever heard.

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By *iger4uWoman over a year ago

In my happy place

The Swedes generally are quite well disciplined.

None of the its sunny lets all go to the beach, but keep my kids off school.

Not so much of the binge drinking gathering.

Plus they have a better contributory health scheme.

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By *iger4uWoman over a year ago

In my happy place

"They have about 3 -4 hours of light a day and are quite poor in comparison so tend to stay in more and read, similar to Iceland "

Nonsense

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

That IS making a comparison between the UK and Sweden.

When making a comparison, it is better to do so between two countries with similar geographical size, population size, population density and demographics.

You can't be comparing the UK to the USA; nor the UK to New Zealand, when there are vast differences in demographics between these countries. You can compare the UK with France or Spain for example.

If you want to make comparisons about Sweden; then compare Sweden with its Neighbours - Norway and Finland or with other Scandinavian / Nordic countries

Maybe look at the stats between Sweden V Norway or Finland.

It will give you a better view Re: “different approaches leading to different infection rate graphs”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The World Health Organisation has praised them so there you go..

When? Must have missed that.....and when I searched I couldn't find it. Could you point those of us who don't get our facts and science from Facebook or aunt mabel's friend's brother in the direction of your source for this?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We have already proved as a country we can’t do what they have done. I think if the people followed the rules more it might work as well

Scandinavians don’t follow rules better than anyone else, they just understand the benefits of looking after society as a whole rather than thinking only they, personally, matter."

So, by default, They Follow The Rules....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We have already proved as a country we can’t do what they have done. I think if the people followed the rules more it might work as well

Scandinavians don’t follow rules better than anyone else, they just understand the benefits of looking after society as a whole rather than thinking only they, personally, matter.

So, by default, They Follow The Rules...."

Yes, but not because they are the rules...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That IS making a comparison between the UK and Sweden.

When making a comparison, it is better to do so between two countries with similar geographical size, population size, population density and demographics.

You can't be comparing the UK to the USA; nor the UK to New Zealand, when there are vast differences in demographics between these countries. You can compare the UK with France or Spain for example.

If you want to make comparisons about Sweden; then compare Sweden with its Neighbours - Norway and Finland or with other Scandinavian / Nordic countries

Maybe look at the stats between Sweden V Norway or Finland.

It will give you a better view Re: “different approaches leading to different infection rate graphs”"

If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months you’ll notice that Sweden had a below average whereas both Norway and Finland had above average mortality figures.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

That IS making a comparison between the UK and Sweden.

When making a comparison, it is better to do so between two countries with similar geographical size, population size, population density and demographics.

You can't be comparing the UK to the USA; nor the UK to New Zealand, when there are vast differences in demographics between these countries. You can compare the UK with France or Spain for example.

If you want to make comparisons about Sweden; then compare Sweden with its Neighbours - Norway and Finland or with other Scandinavian / Nordic countries

Maybe look at the stats between Sweden V Norway or Finland.

It will give you a better view Re: “different approaches leading to different infection rate graphs”

If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months you’ll notice that Sweden had a below average whereas both Norway and Finland had above average mortality figures."

“...If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months...”

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And what does “the previous winter months” got to do with Covid ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That IS making a comparison between the UK and Sweden.

When making a comparison, it is better to do so between two countries with similar geographical size, population size, population density and demographics.

You can't be comparing the UK to the USA; nor the UK to New Zealand, when there are vast differences in demographics between these countries. You can compare the UK with France or Spain for example.

If you want to make comparisons about Sweden; then compare Sweden with its Neighbours - Norway and Finland or with other Scandinavian / Nordic countries

Maybe look at the stats between Sweden V Norway or Finland.

It will give you a better view Re: “different approaches leading to different infection rate graphs”

If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months you’ll notice that Sweden had a below average whereas both Norway and Finland had above average mortality figures.

“...If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months...”

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And what does “the previous winter months” got to do with Covid ?

Because the vulnerable can only die once.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Several posters mention the deaths tally, I;m intrigued why no one ever posts a RIP covid death on facebook, they don't exist.

I consider myself a level headed businessman, with some 40+ years experience, and I've never been a conspiracy theory reader, but something about this corona just doesn't add up.

No one has ever died of AIDS but would you be happy to inject yourself with it?

Covid19 can only legally be assigned as a cause of death (primary or contributory) if the doctor believes it at least contributed to your death.

Does anyone actually believe that a government, even allowing for the fact that Boris and his crew are fucking useless, that a government would inflate figures so as to have one of the worst records on earth for coping with a pandemic. And for conspiracy theorists can you answer, why would almost every major country in the world have a meltdown of their economy just for the hell of it...

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

"Sweden has lower infection rates than Uk ,Spain ,France,Italy,Denmark,Norway without a lockdown and there economy has suffered a far milder downturn."

Good for them

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

That IS making a comparison between the UK and Sweden.

When making a comparison, it is better to do so between two countries with similar geographical size, population size, population density and demographics.

You can't be comparing the UK to the USA; nor the UK to New Zealand, when there are vast differences in demographics between these countries. You can compare the UK with France or Spain for example.

If you want to make comparisons about Sweden; then compare Sweden with its Neighbours - Norway and Finland or with other Scandinavian / Nordic countries

Maybe look at the stats between Sweden V Norway or Finland.

It will give you a better view Re: “different approaches leading to different infection rate graphs”

If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months you’ll notice that Sweden had a below average whereas both Norway and Finland had above average mortality figures.

“...If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months...”

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And what does “the previous winter months” got to do with Covid ?

Because the vulnerable can only die once."

Irrelevant to what’s being discussed

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"Several posters mention the deaths tally, I;m intrigued why no one ever posts a RIP covid death on facebook, they don't exist.

I consider myself a level headed businessman, with some 40+ years experience, and I've never been a conspiracy theory reader, but something about this corona just doesn't add up.

No one has ever died of AIDS but would you be happy to inject yourself with it?

Covid19 can only legally be assigned as a cause of death (primary or contributory) if the doctor believes it at least contributed to your death.

The only reason you would inflate the t

figures would be to make more people take notice scare them in to behaving.

But you would also look incompetent at the same time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That IS making a comparison between the UK and Sweden.

When making a comparison, it is better to do so between two countries with similar geographical size, population size, population density and demographics.

You can't be comparing the UK to the USA; nor the UK to New Zealand, when there are vast differences in demographics between these countries. You can compare the UK with France or Spain for example.

If you want to make comparisons about Sweden; then compare Sweden with its Neighbours - Norway and Finland or with other Scandinavian / Nordic countries

Maybe look at the stats between Sweden V Norway or Finland.

It will give you a better view Re: “different approaches leading to different infection rate graphs”

If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months you’ll notice that Sweden had a below average whereas both Norway and Finland had above average mortality figures.

“...If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months...”

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And what does “the previous winter months” got to do with Covid ?

Because the vulnerable can only die once.

Irrelevant to what’s being discussed "

I’d say the fact one countries death rates of their vulnerable population In the previous months compared to another’s is very relevant .

If the vulnerable of Norway and Finland had already succumbed to a higher than average mortality rate in the previous months due influenzas compared to Sweden.

The fact that they didn’t in Sweden for what ever reason was fortunate until Covid came along.

However like I wrote on the first reply to the op it’s complicated.

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"They have about 3 -4 hours of light a day and are quite poor in comparison so tend to stay in more and read, similar to Iceland

Nonsense"

This is the nonesense group right ?

But they are poor in comparison very high costs of living , 12% higher consumer costs than uk 22% higher for food alone and high taxes , and they get little sun.

And they can also wait months for a doctors appointment.

This is why they all look so sad

you lot would like it there , you can will the end of the world to come with equally miserable people

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"They have about 3 -4 hours of light a day and are quite poor in comparison so tend to stay in more and read, similar to Iceland

Nonsense

This is the nonesense group right ?

But they are poor in comparison very high costs of living , 12% higher consumer costs than uk 22% higher for food alone and high taxes , and they get little sun.

And they can also wait months for a doctors appointment.

This is why they all look so sad

you lot would like it there , you can will the end of the world to come with equally miserable people

Wheres the "spat my tea out" and "pissed my pants" laughing emoji

Parts of sweden has daylight for 24 hours a day in June and 24hiurs if darkness in January

I thought they taught that in primary school

BTW the bars in the canaries love scandinavian people because they are absolutely loaded.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That IS making a comparison between the UK and Sweden.

When making a comparison, it is better to do so between two countries with similar geographical size, population size, population density and demographics.

You can't be comparing the UK to the USA; nor the UK to New Zealand, when there are vast differences in demographics between these countries. You can compare the UK with France or Spain for example.

If you want to make comparisons about Sweden; then compare Sweden with its Neighbours - Norway and Finland or with other Scandinavian / Nordic countries

Maybe look at the stats between Sweden V Norway or Finland.

It will give you a better view Re: “different approaches leading to different infection rate graphs”

If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months you’ll notice that Sweden had a below average whereas both Norway and Finland had above average mortality figures.

“...If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months...”

————————

And what does “the previous winter months” got to do with Covid ?

Because the vulnerable can only die once.

Irrelevant to what’s being discussed

I’d say the fact one countries death rates of their vulnerable population In the previous months compared to another’s is very relevant .

If the vulnerable of Norway and Finland had already succumbed to a higher than average mortality rate in the previous months due influenzas compared to Sweden.

The fact that they didn’t in Sweden for what ever reason was fortunate until Covid came along.

However like I wrote on the first reply to the op it’s complicated."
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When I looked at the data what I saw was everywhere that had a high death rate was a care home disaster, new York, UK, Sweden, Spain, Belgium, Italy not so much but they did have cross connections between the elderly and youth living in same property.

Any virus will always start with the low hanging fruit first and fastest and then find it harder and harder to make in roads to a population as they get younger and healthier, this one isn't an exception thankfully.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sweden has had the highest deaths per capita, with the majority occuring in care homes.

About 10x higher than Norway and 5x higher than Denmark. Both it's close neighbours.

Sweden may end up missing out on a 2nd wave scenario, but given most people died in the first wave on a scale more close to the UK's (when Sweden is an isolated anti-social cold environment) you'd think it's not really worth the price of early admission.

In short, i'm afraid your wrong, and if we'd adopted Sweden's position, we'd have been scooping the bodies off the halls of the hospitals by now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sweden has had the highest deaths per capita, with the majority occuring in care homes.

About 10x higher than Norway and 5x higher than Denmark. Both it's close neighbours.

In short, i'm afraid your wrong, and if we'd adopted Sweden's position, we'd have been scooping the bodies off the halls of the hospitals by now."
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The biggest difference in Norway is the average beds per care home is 32 where as in Sweden like here it's 212. An outbreak in one gives you access to many many more of the vulnerable.

Ps most people in Sweden live no further north than Scotland

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ps most people in Sweden live no further north than Scotland

We live on the same latitude as Canada, but we still get totally different climates.

The Latitude alone is not the final say in the matter on what your weather is going to be on average.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ps most people in Sweden live no further north than Scotland

We live on the same latitude as Canada, but we still get totally different climates.

The Latitude alone is not the final say in the matter on what your weather is going to be on average."
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Yes it's about 3 degrees colder on average but gets more sunshine than Aberdeen, I don't think it really makes much difference, Swedes leave there kids outside in the pram in the middle of winter while having a coffee, they believe the cold air is good for them. I don't think either thing effects covid 19 much to be honest.

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By *unkym34Man over a year ago

London

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sweden-coronavirus-covid19-lockdown-a4546976.html

Good read wish we had just gone down their route

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

That IS making a comparison between the UK and Sweden.

When making a comparison, it is better to do so between two countries with similar geographical size, population size, population density and demographics.

You can't be comparing the UK to the USA; nor the UK to New Zealand, when there are vast differences in demographics between these countries. You can compare the UK with France or Spain for example.

If you want to make comparisons about Sweden; then compare Sweden with its Neighbours - Norway and Finland or with other Scandinavian / Nordic countries

Maybe look at the stats between Sweden V Norway or Finland.

It will give you a better view Re: “different approaches leading to different infection rate graphs”

If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months you’ll notice that Sweden had a below average whereas both Norway and Finland had above average mortality figures.

“...If you look at the mortality rates for the previous winter months...”

————————

And what does “the previous winter months” got to do with Covid ?

Because the vulnerable can only die once.

Irrelevant to what’s being discussed

I’d say the fact one countries death rates of their vulnerable population In the previous months compared to another’s is very relevant .

If the vulnerable of Norway and Finland had already succumbed to a higher than average mortality rate in the previous months due influenzas compared to Sweden.

The fact that they didn’t in Sweden for what ever reason was fortunate until Covid came along.

However like I wrote on the first reply to the op it’s complicated."

The difference in infections and death toll re: Sweden V Norway and Finland, is primarily down to how they handle the pandemic.

Suggesting ‘mortality rates of previous winter months‘ is irrelevant in my view. I don’t believe it makes any difference at all and doesn’t contribute to why Sweden has more than double the infections and deaths than its neighbours . There are many countries that have a low covid mortality rate, and that was down to how those countries handle the initial covid outbreak. Nothing to do with previous mortality rates.

You seem to be trying to make it more complex than it really is.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sweden-coronavirus-covid19-lockdown-a4546976.html

Good read wish we had just gone down their route "

The differences have already been pit forward dozens of times

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By *unkym34Man over a year ago

London

Read the article very self explanatory

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sweden-coronavirus-covid19-lockdown-a4546976.html

Good read wish we had just gone down their route

Again . . .

'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .

England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.

Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.

United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.

Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant '

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And they can also wait months for a doctors appointment. "

The Swedish have the second best health system in the world when it comes to patient outcomes. They really don't wait very long to see a doctor.

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By *unkym34Man over a year ago

London

"https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sweden-coronavirus-covid19-lockdown-a4546976.html

Good read wish we had just gone down their route

Again . . .

'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .

England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.

Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.

United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.

Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant '"
to be fair those stats mean nothing

% of population infection rate is going down ours is going up

% of deaths from virus is going down ours is going up

They health care system will not fail during winter ours will

Their economy is doing better than ours

Children’s mental health and education was not impacted in they way that ours has been

You do not need any more eveidence to show they was right and we was and continue to be wrong

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sweden-coronavirus-covid19-lockdown-a4546976.html

Good read wish we had just gone down their route

Again . . .

'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .

England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.

Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.

United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.

Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant ' to be fair those stats mean nothing

% of population infection rate is going down ours is going up

% of deaths from virus is going down ours is going up

They health care system will not fail during winter ours will

Their economy is doing better than ours

Children’s mental health and education was not impacted in they way that ours has been

You do not need any more eveidence to show they was right and we was and continue to be wrong

“.....

You do not need any more eveidence to show they was right and we was and continue to be wrong...”

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The poster you are responding to, gave those stats to show that you can’t be making a comparison between the UK and Sweden. Just as you can’t be making a comparison between the UK and the USA or the U.K. and New Zealand.

The UK is best measured with France or Spain. The same way Sweden should be measured with its next door neighbours - Norway and Finland as they share similar demographics.

And when you compare Sweden with Norway and Finland (who locked down), Norway & Finland have had less infections, less deaths and less damage to their economy. Norway and Finland are also having less daily infections compared to Sweden.

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By *unkym34Man over a year ago

London

"https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sweden-coronavirus-covid19-lockdown-a4546976.html

Good read wish we had just gone down their route

Again . . .

'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .

England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.

Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.

United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.

Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant ' to be fair those stats mean nothing

% of population infection rate is going down ours is going up

% of deaths from virus is going down ours is going up

They health care system will not fail during winter ours will

Their economy is doing better than ours

Children’s mental health and education was not impacted in they way that ours has been

You do not need any more eveidence to show they was right and we was and continue to be wrong

“.....

You do not need any more eveidence to show they was right and we was and continue to be wrong...”

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The UK is best measured with France or Spain. The same way Sweden should be measured with its next door neighbours - Norway and Finland as they share similar demographics.

Not sure you read the article as it compares Sweden to both of them and Sweden as now doing better than both. Hence why I pointed in the direction of using %

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

Per capita deaths in SWE

Are below UK, Spain, France, USA, Italy.

And they didn't wreck their economy to do it

The fact that the media hardly ever mention SWE these days tells you all you need to know.

Same goes for USA

USA

cases down 18 %

Deaths down 19 %

Nationwide

Make no mistake if USA and SWE where going up the media would be all over it

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By *enny PR9TV/TS over a year ago

Southport

"https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sweden-coronavirus-covid19-lockdown-a4546976.html

Good read wish we had just gone down their route

Again . . .

'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .

England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.

Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.

United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.

Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant ' to be fair those stats mean nothing

% of population infection rate is going down ours is going up

% of deaths from virus is going down ours is going up

They health care system will not fail during winter ours will

Their economy is doing better than ours

Children’s mental health and education was not impacted in they way that ours has been

You do not need any more eveidence to show they was right and we was and continue to be wrong

“.....

You do not need any more eveidence to show they was right and we was and continue to be wrong...”

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The UK is best measured with France or Spain. The same way Sweden should be measured with its next door neighbours - Norway and Finland as they share similar demographics.

We are back to Vitamin D again, the Nordic country's fortify certain basic foods with Vitamin D.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

And they make rather tasty cheese too.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Per capita deaths in SWE

Are below UK, Spain, France, USA, Italy.

And they didn't wreck their economy to do it

The fact that the media hardly ever mention SWE these days tells you all you need to know.

Same goes for USA

USA

cases down 18 %

Deaths down 19 %

Nationwide

Make no mistake if USA and SWE where going up the media would be all over it"

Good for Sweden. Yay!!!!

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sweden-coronavirus-covid19-lockdown-a4546976.html

Good read wish we had just gone down their route

Again . . .

'Some Facts (not opinion) . . .

England's population density is 1,010 people per square mile.

Sweden's The population density in is 64 people per Square mile.

United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Sweden is approximately 450,295 sq km, making Sweden 85% larger than United Kingdom.

Scandinavians are BORN Socially Distant ' to be fair those stats mean nothing

% of population infection rate is going down ours is going up

% of deaths from virus is going down ours is going up

They health care system will not fail during winter ours will

Their economy is doing better than ours

Children’s mental health and education was not impacted in they way that ours has been

You do not need any more eveidence to show they was right and we was and continue to be wrong

“.....

You do not need any more eveidence to show they was right and we was and continue to be wrong...”

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The UK is best measured with France or Spain. The same way Sweden should be measured with its next door neighbours - Norway and Finland as they share similar demographics.

Not sure you read the article as it compares Sweden to both of them and Sweden as now doing better than both. Hence why I pointed in the direction of using % "

Not according to the data in worldometer

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

What Sweden shows is that if you do a bit of social distancing then the virus spreads and then fizzles out way before 80% are infected. Herd immunity takes effect at levels much lower. Countries that try to suppress the virus with lockdowns just drag it out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What Sweden shows is that if you do a bit of social distancing then the virus spreads and then fizzles out way before 80% are infected. Herd immunity takes effect at levels much lower. Countries that try to suppress the virus with lockdowns just drag it out."

What level does herd immunity take effect at?

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By *unkym34Man over a year ago

London

Sweden is not actually working on a herd immunity they are actually working on somthing called the hit rate which is not herd immunity and just means it becomes harder for a virus to spread and actually needs a lower infection rate to work. The press just keep calling it herd immunity

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

What level does herd immunity take effect at?"

Search 'Why herd immunity to COVID-19 is reached much earlier than thought' and you will find the research that suggests Stockholm reached herd immunity at around 17% in mid April and the numbers have been falling ever since. Two things reduce the herd immunity threshold (HIT)

1. A lower R0 value

2. A higher population non-homogeneity.

Non-homogeneity means how equally the the chance of catching or passing covid on is from one person to another. For example, if half the population of the uk were hermits who never met anyone, then you could half the HIT.

With covid it is estimated that 10% of infected people (super spreaders) produce about 80% of the infections so once this 10% catches and recovers from covid, then the infection rate starts dropping fast.

Neil Ferguson's model assumed an R0 of 2.4 with a homogenous population which produced 81%.

London has probably reached HIT as well which is why cases in London aren't rising much there.

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

Also search 'How One Model Simulated 2.2 Million U.S. Deaths from COVID-19' for a discussion of how Neil Ferguson's model was a massive over estimate of the likely outcome.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

What level does herd immunity take effect at?

1. A lower R0 value

2. A higher population non-homogeneity.

Neil Ferguson's model assumed an R0 of 2.4 with a homogenous population which produced 81%.

London has probably reached HIT as well which is why cases in London aren't rising much there.

By the way the 81% was not the HIT it was the total percentage of the population that would get infected. The HIT he suggested was 58%. Given that Spanish flu only infected a total 28% of Americans and they had no lockdowns in 1918. Swine flu only infected 20% of Americans.

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate, "

Aaa ok maybe I should watch tv or the news !

I don’t watch either nor have I any interest in it I’m going by what me and my bestie talked about on the phone she now lives in Norway

But to be honest

Everyone can you honestly say you e been told the complete truth by the powers that be !!?!?!? !?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.ft.com/content/5cc92d45-fbdb-43b7-9c66-26501693a371

Interesting article, especially the part that shows Sweden’s economy had suffered in line with the rest of their Scandinavian neighbours but have had far more infections and deaths."

Ahh....but is that what it says on facebook?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

"
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It's sooooo crazy that if it wasn't for the media telling you, you wouldn't even know it existed and I was in Gothenburg 6 weeks ago and can assure you it's completely and utterly normal

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By *aretobareCouple over a year ago

Central Portugal

Sweden has a far higher death rate than Finland, Norway, Denmark and their health minister admitted what they did in care homes was awful. Where do people get this stupid information from? John Hopkins or any of the major studies all show this to be the case - it is also easier to track and trace when you have the population density of Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's interesting to compare how other countries have managed the situation.

Population density, underlying health, culture and lifestyle all have a significant impact on the results. In the UK we seem to have a bit of confused approach where by the strategy seems to be adapted weekly. Basically we lack one approach and if something needs to change no one says; "we're doing this now, because of this and the result should be...".

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan over a year ago

Southern England

"Think it’s self explanatory there rates are lower and achieved without a lockdown "

Its not self explanatory tho is it. Two very different countries, different population density, land mass travel networks, culture lifestyles, general public health ect. You have to compare countries which are like for like or not at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate, "

Tests show less than 20% of people in Stockholm show antibodies for COVID-19 meaning that there is nowhere near enough for herd immunity.

Any decrease in infections is more likely to be the result of voluntary isolation.

In some countries the man on the street has a level head and can make adult decisions without having to be treated like a child by the government.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"Think it’s self explanatory there rates are lower and achieved without a lockdown

“.... You have to compare countries which are like for like or not at all...”

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Exactly this

I’ve said that so many times on this forum, but some people just like comparing apples with oranges.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate, "

Which goes to prove they are better at obeying the rules of social distancing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

Which goes to prove they are better at obeying the rules of social distancing."

And also have a population of just over 10 million vs us with 68.7 million.

If you look at CFR curved for Europe. The second highest peak after Italy is Sweden. It wasn't a fairy tale. It was a horror show.

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

Which goes to prove they are better at obeying the rules of social distancing."

What it proves is you don't need lockdown for the virus to fizzle out on it's own with the death figures way below the crazy numbers being suggested at the beginning. Using Neil Ferguson's model 100,000 should have died in Sweden, rather than the 5500.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate, "

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

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That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

At the start of the pandemic, Italy had higher infections and deaths compared to the UK. With time we surpassed Italy in both infections and deaths. At the moment, Italy has less new daily cases compared to the UK, France or Spain. The current lower cases in Italy does not prove their strategy was any better than their European counterparts.

A similar trend occurred in the US where New York was among the worst hit States at the beginning , but later ended up with lower daily infections compared to some other states. Again that is not proof that New York’s strategy was a success.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

The fact still remains that: Among all the Nordic countries, Sweden has the highest death rate per capita, the highest number of infections, plus they’ve had a worse economic outcome compared to neighbours Norway and Finland.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

Which goes to prove they are better at obeying the rules of social distancing.

And also have a population of just over 10 million vs us with 68.7 million.

If you look at CFR curved for Europe. The second highest peak after Italy is Sweden. It wasn't a fairy tale. It was a horror show."
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A horror show?, They haven't yet eclipsed the 2000 or 1993 deaths from flu.

There's nothing like superlatives for your narrative I guess.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

Which goes to prove they are better at obeying the rules of social distancing.

Demark had one month of lockdown and had 633 deaths vs Swedens 6851. Go figure.

If you have a model based on uncontrolled spread, this is affected by self voluntary isolation which is well documented in Sweden.

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate. "

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

The Swedish economy also shrank over 12% over this period.

What was the difference in flu stats year on year?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is a rather definitive study called "Europe Versus Coronavirus - Putting the Danish Model to the Test"

Which is much more fact based and agendaless than the Daily Mail .

It makes a good case for lockdown. But a proper lockdown which when done properly only lasts a month. Get it done. Get it done properly then carry on with normal life. The Danes had the balls and the willpower to do it. We just have namby pamby nit wits who can think of every stupid reason under the sun why the rules shouldn't apply to them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

I pointed out the lower death rate the previous winter. He doesn't agree, so thats it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a rather definitive study called "Europe Versus Coronavirus - Putting the Danish Model to the Test"

Which is much more fact based and agendaless than the Daily Mail .

Build loads of temporary hospitals and let it run it's course, it will all be over in 3 months

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I did wonder how long it would take until The Daily Mail was raised.

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By *atexbisexTV/TS over a year ago

Central London

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

Which goes to prove they are better at obeying the rules of social distancing.

The total death rate in Sweden dwarfs that of it's neighbouring countries

Sweden - 578.85 Deaths per Million

Norway - 48.88 Deaths per Million

Finland - 61.18 Deaths per Million

Assuming what you say is true and the the virus is 'fizzling out', Sweden is going to have many more deaths than either of it's neighbouring countries at the end of the pandemic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did wonder how long it would take until The Daily Mail was raised."

Theres Nazis everywhere

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

Which goes to prove they are better at obeying the rules of social distancing.

The total death rate in Sweden dwarfs that of it's neighbouring countries

Sweden - 578.85 Deaths per Million

Norway - 48.88 Deaths per Million

Finland - 61.18 Deaths per Million

Assuming what you say is true and the the virus is 'fizzling out', Sweden is going to have many more deaths than either of it's neighbouring countries at the end of the pandemic

Probably. However we are going to have to look at total excess deaths once the pandemic is over, including excess deaths as a result of shut down health services during lockdowns.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

I pointed out the lower death rate the previous winter. He doesn't agree, so thats it

"In 2019, there were fewer than 89 000 deaths, which was the lowest number of deaths in a single year since 1977. In 2018, when exceptionally many people died from the influenza, there were more than 92 000 deaths in Sweden"

So that's TOTAL deaths. Between and an exceptionally high year and an exceptionally low year there is only a 3000 difference.

So this fails to account for the circa 6000 deaths over thier neighbours.

Clutching at straws...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

I pointed out the lower death rate the previous winter. He doesn't agree, so thats it

So that's TOTAL deaths. Between and an exceptionally high year and an exceptionally low year there is only a 3000 difference.

So this fails to account for the circa 6000 deaths over thier neighbours.

Clutching at straws..."

Take a look at Finland and Norway who both had above average deaths the winter before.

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

The Swedish economy also shrank over 12% over this period.

What was the difference in flu stats year on year? "

The Swedish economy contracted 8.6% in q2 against European average of 12.1%. Spain contracted 18.5%, UK 20.4%. So you can see what a lockdown and furlough approach does for your economy.

92k people died in Sweden in 2018, 88k in 2019.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

“...... How is it not proof of success....”

——————

How can you call it success when they still have a higher death rate per capita compared to its neighbours who locked down ???

And what does previous flu years got to do with it? How far back in years do you go when comparing one country to another?

If you say that their high death rate was partly due the abysmal way they handled the issue with their care homes, then I’ll understand.

But talking about flu from previous years is so far fetched, it borders on irrelevance !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

“...... How is it not proof of success....”

——————

How can you call it success when they still have a higher death rate per capita compared to its neighbours who locked down ???

And what does previous flu years got to do with it? How far back in years do you go when comparing one country to another?

If you say that their high death rate was partly due the abysmal way they handled the issue with their care homes, then I’ll understand.

But talking about flu from previous years is so far fetched, it borders on irrelevance !!!

They are using cockeyed maths.

Using a very worst case 3000 deaths for all reasons to justify a difference of 6000 deaths.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

“...... How is it not proof of success....”

——————

How can you call it success when they still have a higher death rate per capita compared to its neighbours who locked down ???

And what does previous flu years got to do with it? How far back in years do you go when comparing one country to another?

If you say that their high death rate was partly due the abysmal way they handled the issue with their care homes, then I’ll understand.

But talking about flu from previous years is so far fetched, it borders on irrelevance !!!

They are using cockeyed maths.

Using a very worst case 3000 deaths for all reasons to justify a difference of 6000 deaths."

I'm actually using data quoted by Oxfords Centre for Evidence Based Medicine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

“...... How is it not proof of success....”

——————

How can you call it success when they still have a higher death rate per capita compared to its neighbours who locked down ???

And what does previous flu years got to do with it? How far back in years do you go when comparing one country to another?

If you say that their high death rate was partly due the abysmal way they handled the issue with their care homes, then I’ll understand.

But talking about flu from previous years is so far fetched, it borders on irrelevance !!!

They are using cockeyed maths.

Using a very worst case 3000 deaths for all reasons to justify a difference of 6000 deaths.

I'm actually using data quoted by Oxfords Centre for Evidence Based Medicine."
.

It doesn't matter where the data is from, they don't like the data, therefore it's wrong.

Simples

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

I pointed out the lower death rate the previous winter. He doesn't agree, so thats it

“...... low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019

and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.....”

———————-

And why was those frail individuals *easy targets* for covid ??

They were easy targets because the Swedish government *failed* to protect them due to its poor strategy. Those frail individuals need not to have died had the government handles the pandemic better. Similar happened in our care homes over here.

How is that a success strategy??

That’s your previous winter flu argument out of the window.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

“...... How is it not proof of success....”

——————

How can you call it success when they still have a higher death rate per capita compared to its neighbours who locked down ???

And what does previous flu years got to do with it? How far back in years do you go when comparing one country to another?

If you say that their high death rate was partly due the abysmal way they handled the issue with their care homes, then I’ll understand.

But talking about flu from previous years is so far fetched, it borders on irrelevance !!!

They are using cockeyed maths.

Using a very worst case 3000 deaths for all reasons to justify a difference of 6000 deaths.

I'm actually using data quoted by Oxfords Centre for Evidence Based Medicine."

I'm all for being corrected when I'm wrong.

So how many less people died from flu in Sweden last year? (vs average year on year deaths)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

From Statista.com

89000 people died in Sweden in 2019.

Diseases of the circulatory system - 28,195

Neoplasms - 23,453

Diseases of the respiratory system - 6,154

Every year 90 000 Swedes die. Last year it was 89 000.

Can someone explain why 1000 people less dying leaves a vulnerability of 6000 more the following year?

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By *atexbisexTV/TS over a year ago

Central London

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

I pointed out the lower death rate the previous winter. He doesn't agree, so thats it

So that's TOTAL deaths. Between and an exceptionally high year and an exceptionally low year there is only a 3000 difference.

So this fails to account for the circa 6000 deaths over thier neighbours.

Clutching at straws...

Take a look at Finland and Norway who both had above average deaths the winter before."

Death rates for 2019:

Sweden - 9.1 per 1,000 people

Finland - 9.8 per 1,000 people

Norway - 7.9 per 1,000 people

Total confirmed COVID-19 deaths 2020:

Sweden - 578.85 Deaths per Million

Finland - 61.18 Deaths per Million

Norway - 48.88 Deaths per Million

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

UK deaths per capita 626

8th

SWE deaths per capita 574

11th

They didn't trash their economy.

Spain, Italy and France are all higher too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"UK deaths per capita 626

8th

SWE deaths per capita 574

11th

They didn't trash their economy.

Spain, Italy and France are all higher too. "

Since population density doesn't seem to be a factor. How about comparing the UK to Greenland.

14 cases. 14 recoveries. No deaths.

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By *atexbisexTV/TS over a year ago

Central London

"UK deaths per capita 626

8th

SWE deaths per capita 574

11th

They didn't trash their economy.

Spain, Italy and France are all higher too. "

Where are Finland and Norway on that deaths per capita table?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How about New Zealand? A country that went into full lockdown, has a population roughly half that of Sweden and has had 25 deaths to date?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"UK deaths per capita 626

8th

SWE deaths per capita 574

11th

They didn't trash their economy.

Spain, Italy and France are all higher too. "

What's your point?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ummmm

Hang on I’m pretty sure my friend said day before you can’t get to Sweden from Norway they’ve closed their border and that it’s crazy in Sweden with their death and infection rate etc

This is according to the local news in Norway

Ummmmmm either way the whole year is a complete f up

Pardon my french !

Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate,

“......Sweden's infection rate is now lower than their neighbours' and less than half the UK rate....”

————————————

That is NOT proof that Sweden’s strategy was successful.

If you look around the world every country is experiencing peaks and troughs at various times with the virus.

The same can be said of Sweden when compared to its Nordic neighbours. The current lower cases in Sweden is not a sign of a successful strategy.

Sweden’s strategy did not save lives nor their economy.

As it stands, that’s not a successful strategy, and not one to emulate.

How is it not proof of success. Their death rate peaked back at the end of April and has been falling ever since without lockdown or masks.

The high death rate is in part due to the fact that 2019 had low excess deaths from flu which means a higher number of frail individuals survived 2019 and were easy targets for covid 19 in 2020.

I pointed out the lower death rate the previous winter. He doesn't agree, so thats it

So that's TOTAL deaths. Between and an exceptionally high year and an exceptionally low year there is only a 3000 difference.

So this fails to account for the circa 6000 deaths over thier neighbours.

Clutching at straws...

Take a look at Finland and Norway who both had above average deaths the winter before.

Death rates for 2019:

Sweden - 9.1 per 1,000 people

Finland - 9.8 per 1,000 people

Norway - 7.9 per 1,000 people

Total confirmed COVID-19 deaths 2020:

Sweden - 578.85 Deaths per Million

Finland - 61.18 Deaths per Million

Norway - 48.88 Deaths per Million

"
.

578.85 deaths per million or 0.00057%

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

Bottom line is, I assume folks on here are from the UK, and we are trashing another country with better results than us, and didn't trash their economy.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

There's a reason the media don't mention SWE lately, and that goes for the USA too,

Currently 18% down cases

19% down deaths

Trending down nationally

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Take Leeds, put all the vulnerable in it, build a big wall round it, parachute food in, tell them to sit there and not move until we've sorted it.

Everybody else crack on

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By *atexbisexTV/TS over a year ago

Central London

"Bottom line is, I assume folks on here are from the UK, and we are trashing another country with better results than us, and didn't trash their economy. "

I was highlighting at how many deaths had occurred in Sweden compared with it's neighbouring counties. I think that's important when you are looking at how successful it's approach has been

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By *atexbisexTV/TS over a year ago

Central London

"There's a reason the media don't mention SWE lately, and that goes for the USA too,

Currently 18% down cases

19% down deaths

Trending down nationally "

Again look at their death rate compared to Norway and Finland. It was massive in comparison at the peak and deaths are tailing off everywhere now

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

And again, we're not in any position to criticise any other country

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's a reason the media don't mention SWE lately, and that goes for the USA too,

Currently 18% down cases

19% down deaths

Trending down nationally "

Probably because USA have just gone through the 200 000 Covid-19 death mark. Still over 1000 people a day dying from Covid-19 in the USA.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Take Leeds, put all the vulnerable in it, build a big wall round it, parachute food in, tell them to sit there and not move until we've sorted it.

Everybody else crack on

Sure. There's 5 million people in the UK 65 and over. Another 1.5 million people vulnerable but not over 65.

And then there's the people who die young and no underlying conditions.

I've got a better idea. Put all the selfish idiots in one place and let them infect each other and when they get Covid-19 don't take them to hospital and endanger our NHS. When they've built up herd immunity let them back out again.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

Actually USA per capita are worse than UK, and like I said deaths are 19% down,and falling, there isn't 1000 folks a day dying in the USA.

If there was 1000 folks a day dying in the USA it would be 24/7 new cycle.

Like I, said because USA are doing better than UK on covid and economy BBC and sky aren't interested, doesn't fit their kick Trump narrative.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"Bottom line is, I assume folks on here are from the UK, and we are trashing another country with better results than us, and didn't trash their economy. "

“..... and didn't trash their economy...”

Says who?????

Sweden’s Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson recently warned that Sweden is facing its worst economic crisis since World War II, with GDP set to slump 7% in 2020.

Sweden’s GDP slump is worse than Norway & Finland who locked down.

Sweden's unemployment rate of 9% remains among the highest in the Nordics, up from 7.1% in March.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Actually USA per capita are worse than UK, and like I said deaths are 19% down,and falling, there isn't 1000 folks a day dying in the USA.

If there was 1000 folks a day dying in the USA it would be 24/7 new cycle.

Like I, said because USA are doing better than UK on covid and economy BBC and sky aren't interested, doesn't fit their kick Trump narrative.

Really? How many are dying per day?

Number of COVID-19 deaths on September 15th - 1,197

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bottom line is, I assume folks on here are from the UK, and we are trashing another country with better results than us, and didn't trash their economy.

“..... and didn't trash their economy...”

Says who?????

Sweden’s Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson recently warned that Sweden is facing its worst economic crisis since World War II, with GDP set to slump 7% in 2020.

Sweden’s GDP slump is worse than Norway & Finland who locked down.

Sweden's unemployment rate of 9% remains among the highest in the Nordics, up from 7.1% in March.

True

"Sweden, which avoided a lockdown during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic, saw its economy shrink 8.6% in the April-to-June period from the previous three months"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Take Leeds, put all the vulnerable in it, build a big wall round it, parachute food in, tell them to sit there and not move until we've sorted it.

Everybody else crack on

Sure. There's 5 million people in the UK 65 and over. Another 1.5 million people vulnerable but not over 65.

And then there's the people who die young and no underlying conditions.

Can we make it Monaco

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