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I wonder how many of the people who died in care homes would have died anyway, due to their age and underlying health conditions.
I can't help thinking that most of them, if not more would have died if they had been at home. |
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Fortunately we have this thing called "excess deaths", where we can measure the statistical effect that events have on the death rate.
Some of them would have done, but our excess death rate is enormous - suggesting most of them would not have done. |
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I'm going to die anyway. It might not be for another 30 years without covid but what difference does that make in the grand scheme of things? Months, years? The end result's the same, unless you think an old or vulnerable person's life is with less than a young fit persons |
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I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe. |
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe."
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My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.  |
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I just hope that over the coming months that we dont make the same mistake with infecting care homes again.
We are as nearly at the same point in infection rate as spring already.
Patients getting sent to care homes again will be totally unacceptable. |
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe. "
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing. |
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are."
I'm not blaming care homes. In this instance I'm blaming the government for being so incompetent that they let it spread there.
We should have protected them. |
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe."
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing."
Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
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"I wonder how many of the people who died in care homes would have died anyway, due to their age and underlying health conditions.
I can't help thinking that most of them, if not more would have died if they had been at home."
That's ok then, my granny deserved to die.
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Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
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This fear is definitely growing. I'm noting a marked decline in mental health among my people.
The vulnerable are people too, and are just as worthy of our care, consideration, and the benefits of society. I may be ok, you may be ok, but if we sacrifice a little bit then other people might be ok too. |
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
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I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it. |
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it."
Much as I like to blame the government, they have given us a lot of information sometimes maybe too much information, but I read all the Covid bulletins.
They have to balance things on a very fine line but it's us, the population who can make a difference and ultimately must take responsibility for our own actions going forward
What's past is unfortunately done and cannot be undone, but for the sake of all those that died not only in care homes but everywhere, we have a duty to learn and not repeat the mistakes of early 2020
I doubt that we will because we have too large a proportion of selfish people but we can hope. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I'm going to die anyway. It might not be for another 30 years without covid but what difference does that make in the grand scheme of things? Months, years? The end result's the same, unless you think an old or vulnerable person's life is with less than a young fit persons"
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over a year ago
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it."
The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them |
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother"
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing.
Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
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I don't know your dad's age, but my stepdad is currently, this very minute, on the operating table having a hernia repair. He is 73 and very fit and his age was never questioned in the process. |
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing.
Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
I don't know your dad's age, but my stepdad is currently, this very minute, on the operating table having a hernia repair. He is 73 and very fit and his age was never questioned in the process. "
My dad's 93. He has been waiting since last year. It was scheduled for April, that was cancelled he's now back on the waiting list. |
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
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Just to add to that, I've had double viral pneumonitus as well as experienced a near fatal drowning. Without being too graphic, there are nicer ways to die. |
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing.
Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
I don't know your dad's age, but my stepdad is currently, this very minute, on the operating table having a hernia repair. He is 73 and very fit and his age was never questioned in the process. "
I'm nearer 73 than my dad is  |
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing.
Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
I don't know your dad's age, but my stepdad is currently, this very minute, on the operating table having a hernia repair. He is 73 and very fit and his age was never questioned in the process.
My dad's 93. He has been waiting since last year. It was scheduled for April, that was cancelled he's now back on the waiting list. "
I hope he can get his surgery. I waited a year for my recent gynae surgery from the point of signing the consent form to having the surgery. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
Just to add to that, I've had double viral pneumonitus as well as experienced a near fatal drowning. Without being too graphic, there are nicer ways to die."
I can imagine. The biggest thing that got to me over the care homes is how they would not have had any help from a hospital setting while dying that horrible death |
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing.
Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
I don't know your dad's age, but my stepdad is currently, this very minute, on the operating table having a hernia repair. He is 73 and very fit and his age was never questioned in the process. "
Surely it will depend on where you live? |
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it.The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them"
Society has faced pandemics before. And other public health crises. The most recent podcast from LSHTM talked about the lessons we can learn from Britain's response to the 1918 pandemic, for example. |
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
Just to add to that, I've had double viral pneumonitus as well as experienced a near fatal drowning. Without being too graphic, there are nicer ways to die.
I can imagine. The biggest thing that got to me over the care homes is how they would not have had any help from a hospital setting while dying that horrible death"
There needs to be a proper investigation into the care homes fiasco. |
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing.
Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
I don't know your dad's age, but my stepdad is currently, this very minute, on the operating table having a hernia repair. He is 73 and very fit and his age was never questioned in the process.
My dad's 93. He has been waiting since last year. It was scheduled for April, that was cancelled he's now back on the waiting list.
I hope he can get his surgery. I waited a year for my recent gynae surgery from the point of signing the consent form to having the surgery. "
I hope he can too because he's in pain. Obviously what the paramedic said on Monday has set him back a bit. I'm trying to persuade him to go the private route but he feels he doesn't "deserve" it. |
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it.The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them
Society has faced pandemics before. And other public health crises. The most recent podcast from LSHTM talked about the lessons we can learn from Britain's response to the 1918 pandemic, for example."
Yep and regular planning had been taking place at local, national and international level since then. |
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it.The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them
Society has faced pandemics before. And other public health crises. The most recent podcast from LSHTM talked about the lessons we can learn from Britain's response to the 1918 pandemic, for example."
I'd like to think we learned more in April than we can possibly learn from 1918. Things have changed a tad. |
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
Just to add to that, I've had double viral pneumonitus as well as experienced a near fatal drowning. Without being too graphic, there are nicer ways to die.
I can imagine. The biggest thing that got to me over the care homes is how they would not have had any help from a hospital setting while dying that horrible death"
I don't even want to think about it. I had the pneumonia in my early teens and it hit me hard. I nearly drowned in my mid thirties and when they x-rayed my lungs they could see the damage from the pneumonia.
I think for a lot of people what happened in our care homes is an abstract concept. If they could experience what it is like to suffer like that they wouldn't be at the pub. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. |
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing.
Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
I don't know your dad's age, but my stepdad is currently, this very minute, on the operating table having a hernia repair. He is 73 and very fit and his age was never questioned in the process.
My dad's 93. He has been waiting since last year. It was scheduled for April, that was cancelled he's now back on the waiting list.
I hope he can get his surgery. I waited a year for my recent gynae surgery from the point of signing the consent form to having the surgery.
I hope he can too because he's in pain. Obviously what the paramedic said on Monday has set him back a bit. I'm trying to persuade him to go the private route but he feels he doesn't "deserve" it. "
Paramedics aren't the gateway to surgery. In my experience, don't take no for an answer, push back and try to find a sympathetic consultant. Starting in the private sector and being transferred to NHS is one tactic, yes. I saw a consultant in the private hospital but on the NHS, due to the way my local CCG is doing things for gynae. |
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother"
I've lived with an autoimmune disease for over 21 years.
It's cheap to treat and I can live essentially as normal.
Except sometimes it seems like, because "normal" people don't like masks or want to ignore distancing, my life is somehow less worthwhile.
I'm a fully functional member of society at treatment amounting to pennies a day. |
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it.The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them
Society has faced pandemics before. And other public health crises. The most recent podcast from LSHTM talked about the lessons we can learn from Britain's response to the 1918 pandemic, for example.
I'd like to think we learned more in April than we can possibly learn from 1918. Things have changed a tad."
I hope we have, but it seems like none of the lessons from our past make a difference. This isn't like an atomic bomb, completely novel. Epidemics have happened for millennia.
Saying "they didn't know how to cope" is a gigantic copout. |
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing.
Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
I don't know your dad's age, but my stepdad is currently, this very minute, on the operating table having a hernia repair. He is 73 and very fit and his age was never questioned in the process.
My dad's 93. He has been waiting since last year. It was scheduled for April, that was cancelled he's now back on the waiting list.
I hope he can get his surgery. I waited a year for my recent gynae surgery from the point of signing the consent form to having the surgery.
I hope he can too because he's in pain. Obviously what the paramedic said on Monday has set him back a bit. I'm trying to persuade him to go the private route but he feels he doesn't "deserve" it.
Paramedics aren't the gateway to surgery. In my experience, don't take no for an answer, push back and try to find a sympathetic consultant. Starting in the private sector and being transferred to NHS is one tactic, yes. I saw a consultant in the private hospital but on the NHS, due to the way my local CCG is doing things for gynae. "
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it.The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them
Society has faced pandemics before. And other public health crises. The most recent podcast from LSHTM talked about the lessons we can learn from Britain's response to the 1918 pandemic, for example.
I'd like to think we learned more in April than we can possibly learn from 1918. Things have changed a tad.
I hope we have, but it seems like none of the lessons from our past make a difference. This isn't like an atomic bomb, completely novel. Epidemics have happened for millennia.
Saying "they didn't know how to cope" is a gigantic copout."
It is. One of our kids is part of a committee that has met regularly to discuss pandemic planning for years. |
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By *B1974Woman
over a year ago
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it.The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them"
Some blame has to fall on the care sector as a whole for treating the staff so poorly. A dog walker earns more than the people we allow to look after our loved ones.
Let's not forget that some of these care homes charge upwards of £40k a year per resident so paying a pittance in wages just makes the bosses richer. |
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it.The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them
Some blame has to fall on the care sector as a whole for treating the staff so poorly. A dog walker earns more than the people we allow to look after our loved ones.
Let's not forget that some of these care homes charge upwards of £40k a year per resident so paying a pittance in wages just makes the bosses richer. "
The lessons I'm learning here include "we need to look at systems of power rather than just individual responsibility" |
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it.The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them
Some blame has to fall on the care sector as a whole for treating the staff so poorly. A dog walker earns more than the people we allow to look after our loved ones.
Let's not forget that some of these care homes charge upwards of £40k a year per resident so paying a pittance in wages just makes the bosses richer. "
It's a good point but how is it relevant ?
You could pay them 50k a year it wouldn't have stopped the elderly getting covid |
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"I wonder how many of the people who died in care homes would have died anyway, due to their age and underlying health conditions.
I can't help thinking that most of them, if not more would have died if they had been at home."
Yes they would have died. We are all going to die. That's not the point at all. These are people mothers, aunties, uncles, friends who are in a place of security and safety and care and have died unnecessarily due to the spread of a known virus in our community. We know how to restrict its transmission. People are making their own choices whether to restrict it or not. |
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
Just to add to that, I've had double viral pneumonitus as well as experienced a near fatal drowning. Without being too graphic, there are nicer ways to die.
I can imagine. The biggest thing that got to me over the care homes is how they would not have had any help from a hospital setting while dying that horrible death
There needs to be a proper investigation into the care homes fiasco."
Agreed. There are a lots of nhs bosses on the line for that one. Did you see the C4 covid-19 carehome documentary |
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it.The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them
Some blame has to fall on the care sector as a whole for treating the staff so poorly. A dog walker earns more than the people we allow to look after our loved ones.
Let's not forget that some of these care homes charge upwards of £40k a year per resident so paying a pittance in wages just makes the bosses richer. "
Whilst not disagreeing with you,that's nothing to do with the gmnt transferring patients there. |
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
I've lived with an autoimmune disease for over 21 years.
It's cheap to treat and I can live essentially as normal.
Except sometimes it seems like, because "normal" people don't like masks or want to ignore distancing, my life is somehow less worthwhile.
I'm a fully functional member of society at treatment amounting to pennies a day."
I know it feels like society has turned it's back on the vulnerable. I just want to say that while there are some people on this forum trying to draw attention to themselves by making reckless statements, there are also people like myself and Miss C who don't leave the house for anything but essentials. And when we do it's with face masks, hand sanitizer etc. We don't do this because we are at risk. We do this for that nameless, faceless person we will never meet. Some of us do care. |
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
Just to add to that, I've had double viral pneumonitus as well as experienced a near fatal drowning. Without being too graphic, there are nicer ways to die.
I can imagine. The biggest thing that got to me over the care homes is how they would not have had any help from a hospital setting while dying that horrible death
There needs to be a proper investigation into the care homes fiasco.
Agreed. There are a lots of nhs bosses on the line for that one. Did you see the C4 covid-19 carehome documentary "
Nope I'll have to catch that.
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
Just to add to that, I've had double viral pneumonitus as well as experienced a near fatal drowning. Without being too graphic, there are nicer ways to die.
I can imagine. The biggest thing that got to me over the care homes is how they would not have had any help from a hospital setting while dying that horrible death
There needs to be a proper investigation into the care homes fiasco.
Agreed. There are a lots of nhs bosses on the line for that one. Did you see the C4 covid-19 carehome documentary "
It's not just NHS bosses who should have their role examined... What about the care home managers and their quality of care and basic procedures within the homes. |
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
Just to add to that, I've had double viral pneumonitus as well as experienced a near fatal drowning. Without being too graphic, there are nicer ways to die.
I can imagine. The biggest thing that got to me over the care homes is how they would not have had any help from a hospital setting while dying that horrible death
There needs to be a proper investigation into the care homes fiasco.
Agreed. There are a lots of nhs bosses on the line for that one. Did you see the C4 covid-19 carehome documentary
It's not just NHS bosses who should have their role examined... What about the care home managers and their quality of care and basic procedures within the homes. "
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I know it feels like society has turned it's back on the vulnerable. I just want to say that while there are some people on this forum trying to draw attention to themselves by making reckless statements, there are also people like myself and Miss C who don't leave the house for anything but essentials. And when we do it's with face masks, hand sanitizer etc. We don't do this because we are at risk. We do this for that nameless, faceless person we will never meet. Some of us do care. "
I know, and thank you. I do genuinely appreciate it and I know most people are overall decent.
I've been isolating hard and am beginning to venture out (masks, hand sanitiser, etc). Partly for my community work, partly for my sanity. I'm probably ok (the mechanism of my autoimmune disease isn't the same as immune problems in Covid-19, I use myself as an example of vulnerable and otherwise "normal" - plus I've had suspected/ clinically diagnosed Covid). But like you, I protect other people. I do everything in my power to do so. Even though it's having mental health consequences on me. I do what I must, to stop people suffering. |
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I know it feels like society has turned it's back on the vulnerable. I just want to say that while there are some people on this forum trying to draw attention to themselves by making reckless statements, there are also people like myself and Miss C who don't leave the house for anything but essentials. And when we do it's with face masks, hand sanitizer etc. We don't do this because we are at risk. We do this for that nameless, faceless person we will never meet. Some of us do care.
I know, and thank you. I do genuinely appreciate it and I know most people are overall decent.
I've been isolating hard and am beginning to venture out (masks, hand sanitiser, etc). Partly for my community work, partly for my sanity. I'm probably ok (the mechanism of my autoimmune disease isn't the same as immune problems in Covid-19, I use myself as an example of vulnerable and otherwise "normal" - plus I've had suspected/ clinically diagnosed Covid). But like you, I protect other people. I do everything in my power to do so. Even though it's having mental health consequences on me. I do what I must, to stop people suffering."
I know it doesn't help, but think back to the days of the Spanish Flu. There was no social media, no zoom meetings or face time. No home delivery infrastructure. They survived for 3 years with quarantine. We can do it. We all need to chin up, chest out and do what needs to be done. This country has gone through worse! |
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I know it doesn't help, but think back to the days of the Spanish Flu. There was no social media, no zoom meetings or face time. No home delivery infrastructure. They survived for 3 years with quarantine. We can do it. We all need to chin up, chest out and do what needs to be done. This country has gone through worse!"
I agree
I soldier on. It sucks, a lot. But I protect those around me.
I too think back to 1918, the second world war. It's a bit unfashionable now, but I think of my duty. Not to my monarch, not to my government, but to my fellow (wo)man. |
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I've herd of people getting positive tests letters when been registered but not waited in line for the test.
Fake positive readings if you have a cold and more tests happening due to peeps returning to work which will all affect figures, and undermines the legitimacy of the virus. And gov |
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over a year ago
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"My point is, that we seem to be blaming care homes when unfortunately that is just where most old and vulnerable people are.
I think the government would *like* us to blame care homes.
I blame the government more than anyone else. Failure to equip us with both the resources and the knowledge to combat this, even actively undermining it.The government cannot be blamed for not being able to deal with the unknown.
If they do not do better with second spike then do blame them but otherwise it is wrong to blame them
Some blame has to fall on the care sector as a whole for treating the staff so poorly. A dog walker earns more than the people we allow to look after our loved ones.
Let's not forget that some of these care homes charge upwards of £40k a year per resident so paying a pittance in wages just makes the bosses richer.
It's a good point but how is it relevant ?
You could pay them 50k a year it wouldn't have stopped the elderly getting covid"
There is relevancy, paying people minimum wage means a cycle of poverty, covid19 has hit the poorest and most deprived areas of the country hardest......
The mental health crisis we're building up to will also affect health negatively; pushing the deprived areas further into gloom  |
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I know it doesn't help, but think back to the days of the Spanish Flu. There was no social media, no zoom meetings or face time. No home delivery infrastructure. They survived for 3 years with quarantine. We can do it. We all need to chin up, chest out and do what needs to be done. This country has gone through worse!
I agree
I soldier on. It sucks, a lot. But I protect those around me.
I too think back to 1918, the second world war. It's a bit unfashionable now, but I think of my duty. Not to my monarch, not to my government, but to my fellow (wo)man."
Good on you
If everyone was like you, we'd be saying "remember that virus we had in March....what was it called again?" |
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Everyone dies of something eventually but putting lives at risks and cutting lives short is not a valid reason for writing people off, as if they don't matter. Losing their lives, without their loved ones around them is a vicious attack on their rights. People live with ill health for decades, including military personnel after serving their country. Most people are not victims when it comes to their disabilities or illness, they make the most of their lives and deserve not to have them cut short, whilst socially isolated in distress.
We should ensure care home residents and staff are protected. They helped to build this country as the place that younger people now enjoy. We oee them a decent end of life that's healthy and respected. |
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I know it doesn't help, but think back to the days of the Spanish Flu. There was no social media, no zoom meetings or face time. No home delivery infrastructure. They survived for 3 years with quarantine. We can do it. We all need to chin up, chest out and do what needs to be done. This country has gone through worse!
I agree
I soldier on. It sucks, a lot. But I protect those around me.
I too think back to 1918, the second world war. It's a bit unfashionable now, but I think of my duty. Not to my monarch, not to my government, but to my fellow (wo)man.
Good on you
If everyone was like you, we'd be saying "remember that virus we had in March....what was it called again?""
When I fell ill with (clinically diagnosed/ suspected) Covid in May, I was determined not just to flatten my curve, but to annihilate it. I didn't leave my apartment apart from grocery deliveries and taking the bin out (mask, gloves, hair in a scarf, long sleeves and long trousers) for two months. (Oh and the doctor came to my car park, I went outside for that too)
I went to extreme measures, but if we all did just a little bit more... we'd be in a better position.
This is our war effort. |
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I know it doesn't help, but think back to the days of the Spanish Flu. There was no social media, no zoom meetings or face time. No home delivery infrastructure. They survived for 3 years with quarantine. We can do it. We all need to chin up, chest out and do what needs to be done. This country has gone through worse!
I agree
I soldier on. It sucks, a lot. But I protect those around me.
I too think back to 1918, the second world war. It's a bit unfashionable now, but I think of my duty. Not to my monarch, not to my government, but to my fellow (wo)man.
Good on you
If everyone was like you, we'd be saying "remember that virus we had in March....what was it called again?"
When I fell ill with (clinically diagnosed/ suspected) Covid in May, I was determined not just to flatten my curve, but to annihilate it. I didn't leave my apartment apart from grocery deliveries and taking the bin out (mask, gloves, hair in a scarf, long sleeves and long trousers) for two months. (Oh and the doctor came to my car park, I went outside for that too)
I went to extreme measures, but if we all did just a little bit more... we'd be in a better position.
This is our war effort."
Exactly this. It's a team effort isn't it. The whole country has to work together. It's hard to believe that just a generation ago we were getting our boys off the beaches at Dunkirk and now we'd let those same boys die in care homes because we want to go to the pub. I can't believe some people are so proud of their selfish behaviour |
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I know it doesn't help, but think back to the days of the Spanish Flu. There was no social media, no zoom meetings or face time. No home delivery infrastructure. They survived for 3 years with quarantine. We can do it. We all need to chin up, chest out and do what needs to be done. This country has gone through worse!
I agree
I soldier on. It sucks, a lot. But I protect those around me.
I too think back to 1918, the second world war. It's a bit unfashionable now, but I think of my duty. Not to my monarch, not to my government, but to my fellow (wo)man.
Good on you
If everyone was like you, we'd be saying "remember that virus we had in March....what was it called again?"
When I fell ill with (clinically diagnosed/ suspected) Covid in May, I was determined not just to flatten my curve, but to annihilate it. I didn't leave my apartment apart from grocery deliveries and taking the bin out (mask, gloves, hair in a scarf, long sleeves and long trousers) for two months. (Oh and the doctor came to my car park, I went outside for that too)
I went to extreme measures, but if we all did just a little bit more... we'd be in a better position.
This is our war effort.
Exactly this. It's a team effort isn't it. The whole country has to work together. It's hard to believe that just a generation ago we were getting our boys off the beaches at Dunkirk and now we'd let those same boys die in care homes because we want to go to the pub. I can't believe some people are so proud of their selfish behaviour "
It honestly beggars belief.
And I'm not doing that much. I'm parking my arse inside. I'm making some phone calls. I'm arranging some care. I've wiped down some groceries (packaging) with kitchen spray and put it on some front porches. I'm no fucking hero. And yet it seems too much to ask of many people. |
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I know it doesn't help, but think back to the days of the Spanish Flu. There was no social media, no zoom meetings or face time. No home delivery infrastructure. They survived for 3 years with quarantine. We can do it. We all need to chin up, chest out and do what needs to be done. This country has gone through worse!
I agree
I soldier on. It sucks, a lot. But I protect those around me.
I too think back to 1918, the second world war. It's a bit unfashionable now, but I think of my duty. Not to my monarch, not to my government, but to my fellow (wo)man.
Good on you
If everyone was like you, we'd be saying "remember that virus we had in March....what was it called again?""
In agreement with this, however the government always knew their would be a percentage of people who would not follow the rules - those are the same people that would do so again and put their communities at risk.
Let's not forget" flu season" is just around the corner too.
Covid19 has affected so many of us, some without even realising. My relationship ended because my partner could not understand that I moved out so we could both continue to work in social care.
I for one, hope that this time round we can make a difference and get it right on as many levels as possible. |
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I know it doesn't help, but think back to the days of the Spanish Flu. There was no social media, no zoom meetings or face time. No home delivery infrastructure. They survived for 3 years with quarantine. We can do it. We all need to chin up, chest out and do what needs to be done. This country has gone through worse!
I agree
I soldier on. It sucks, a lot. But I protect those around me.
I too think back to 1918, the second world war. It's a bit unfashionable now, but I think of my duty. Not to my monarch, not to my government, but to my fellow (wo)man.
Good on you
If everyone was like you, we'd be saying "remember that virus we had in March....what was it called again?"
In agreement with this, however the government always knew their would be a percentage of people who would not follow the rules - those are the same people that would do so again and put their communities at risk.
Let's not forget" flu season" is just around the corner too.
Covid19 has affected so many of us, some without even realising. My relationship ended because my partner could not understand that I moved out so we could both continue to work in social care.
I for one, hope that this time round we can make a difference and get it right on as many levels as possible. "
I have a family member who's been in ICU for several weeks now, and I can't see them because they're in Australia. They're recovering, but... fuck.
I can't realistically get to Australia, I've come to terms with the fact that I may never see my one remaining grandparent again.
My community work has jumped from fairly straightforward to grief and mental health counselling and ad hoc advice on sterilising things (and please for the love of God stay at home).
One of my vulnerable people is dying. I love her as though she were part of my family and I can't say goodbye.
I've been really ill - and alone.
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It's not true that older folk can't have operations. The paramedic should not say it.My nan had a replacement pacemaker fitted when she was 98. And in January my 75 year old neighbour had major brain surgery.
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I have a family member who's been in ICU for several weeks now, and I can't see them because they're in Australia. They're recovering, but... fuck.
I can't realistically get to Australia, I've come to terms with the fact that I may never see my one remaining grandparent again.
My community work has jumped from fairly straightforward to grief and mental health counselling and ad hoc advice on sterilising things (and please for the love of God stay at home).
One of my vulnerable people is dying. I love her as though she were part of my family and I can't say goodbye.
I've been really ill - and alone.
etc etc etc"
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I know it doesn't help, but think back to the days of the Spanish Flu. There was no social media, no zoom meetings or face time. No home delivery infrastructure. They survived for 3 years with quarantine. We can do it. We all need to chin up, chest out and do what needs to be done. This country has gone through worse!
I agree
I soldier on. It sucks, a lot. But I protect those around me.
I too think back to 1918, the second world war. It's a bit unfashionable now, but I think of my duty. Not to my monarch, not to my government, but to my fellow (wo)man.
Good on you
If everyone was like you, we'd be saying "remember that virus we had in March....what was it called again?"
In agreement with this, however the government always knew their would be a percentage of people who would not follow the rules - those are the same people that would do so again and put their communities at risk.
Let's not forget" flu season" is just around the corner too.
Covid19 has affected so many of us, some without even realising. My relationship ended because my partner could not understand that I moved out so we could both continue to work in social care.
I for one, hope that this time round we can make a difference and get it right on as many levels as possible. "
If you go a couple of weeks back the general feeling on this forum was that infections were up but it was a "good thing" because it was the death stats that mattered. It's been well established that there is a lag between a rise in infections and death rates. Infections eventually filter through to become deaths. I don't understand why some people don't get that.
Yes we have discovered treatments that reduce the mortality rate, but the truth is, we could have wiped this virus out completely.
Once the numbers were down a track, trace and isolate system along with border control would have kept them there. Instead we reverted back to the same "herd immunity" mentality that proved such a disaster the first time around. |
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"It's not true that older folk can't have operations. The paramedic should not say it.My nan had a replacement pacemaker fitted when she was 98. And in January my 75 year old neighbour had major brain surgery.
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I know it isn't true that no surgery is being performed on older people. It is true though in my experience that "at the moment" certain surgery isn't being prioritised for older people. My dad is only in pain, it won't kill him therefore he is of lower priority than a younger person who needs life saving or lengthening surgery. |
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I have a family member who's been in ICU for several weeks now, and I can't see them because they're in Australia. They're recovering, but... fuck.
I can't realistically get to Australia, I've come to terms with the fact that I may never see my one remaining grandparent again.
My community work has jumped from fairly straightforward to grief and mental health counselling and ad hoc advice on sterilising things (and please for the love of God stay at home).
One of my vulnerable people is dying. I love her as though she were part of my family and I can't say goodbye.
I've been really ill - and alone.
etc etc etc
I am sending you a virus free, virtual hug for today and every day you might need it x"
Same here.
((((Hugs)))) |
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I have a family member who's been in ICU for several weeks now, and I can't see them because they're in Australia. They're recovering, but... fuck.
I can't realistically get to Australia, I've come to terms with the fact that I may never see my one remaining grandparent again.
My community work has jumped from fairly straightforward to grief and mental health counselling and ad hoc advice on sterilising things (and please for the love of God stay at home).
One of my vulnerable people is dying. I love her as though she were part of my family and I can't say goodbye.
I've been really ill - and alone.
etc etc etc
I am sending you a virus free, virtual hug for today and every day you might need it x
Same here.
((((Hugs))))"
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
Just to add to that, I've had double viral pneumonitus as well as experienced a near fatal drowning. Without being too graphic, there are nicer ways to die.
I can imagine. The biggest thing that got to me over the care homes is how they would not have had any help from a hospital setting while dying that horrible death
There needs to be a proper investigation into the care homes fiasco.
Agreed. There are a lots of nhs bosses on the line for that one. Did you see the C4 covid-19 carehome documentary
It's not just NHS bosses who should have their role examined... What about the care home managers and their quality of care and basic procedures within the homes.
Surely that's what happens when health becomes profit driven?"
I don't think there's anything wrong with "health" being a profit centre for some per se.. Look at the gyms and health spas and the entire health industry... We may agree that having care homes owned by finance houses and managed by accountants with bad policies and procedures for accepting residents and badly managed, who didn't seem to have a concept of isolation or basic spread of disease, with carers who aren't following basic hygiene standards that our mums taught us as kids needs to thrown into the enquiry along with NHS patient care and any govt directives at the time. I think the question of how we care for our elderly is too big for now, but as a nation that looks for the cheapest of everything I think we will forever be having the argument about.. Too much demand, too little resource. |
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care homes do not make owners mega rich but what you do see is rich people buying in to care homes as its a tax haven on there already big bank accounts the care industry is a very tight controlled and cut throat industry |
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"I was going to post and point out that older people and people with underlying conditions can live with their conditions for many years without dying but it seems pointless to say this to the people who think it is OK for older people or people with health conditions to die earlier than they might have done...so I might not bother
Just to add to that, I've had double viral pneumonitus as well as experienced a near fatal drowning. Without being too graphic, there are nicer ways to die.
I can imagine. The biggest thing that got to me over the care homes is how they would not have had any help from a hospital setting while dying that horrible death
There needs to be a proper investigation into the care homes fiasco.
Agreed. There are a lots of nhs bosses on the line for that one. Did you see the C4 covid-19 carehome documentary
It's not just NHS bosses who should have their role examined... What about the care home managers and their quality of care and basic procedures within the homes.
Surely that's what happens when health becomes profit driven?
I don't think there's anything wrong with "health" being a profit centre for some per se.. Look at the gyms and health spas and the entire health industry... We may agree that having care homes owned by finance houses and managed by accountants with bad policies and procedures for accepting residents and badly managed, who didn't seem to have a concept of isolation or basic spread of disease, with carers who aren't following basic hygiene standards that our mums taught us as kids needs to thrown into the enquiry along with NHS patient care and any govt directives at the time. I think the question of how we care for our elderly is too big for now, but as a nation that looks for the cheapest of everything I think we will forever be having the argument about.. Too much demand, too little resource. "
There is a massive difference between a gym and an old peoples home.
When profit is the bottom line ,corners are inevitably going to be cut. |
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" There is a massive difference between a gym and an old peoples home.
When profit is the bottom line ,corners are inevitably going to be cut."
no sorry thats not true a care homes are regulated and its rules are the same as hospitals dr's surgeries and health centers there are no corners to be cut ... unlike a gym thats not regulated there are loads of corners to cut |
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" There is a massive difference between a gym and an old peoples home.
When profit is the bottom line ,corners are inevitably going to be cut.
no sorry thats not true a care homes are regulated and its rules are the same as hospitals dr's surgeries and health centers there are no corners to be cut ... unlike a gym thats not regulated there are loads of corners to cut"
I wish my gym was like that. I tried to cut corners but everything is still rounded off |
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" There is a massive difference between a gym and an old peoples home.
When profit is the bottom line ,corners are inevitably going to be cut.
no sorry thats not true a care homes are regulated and its rules are the same as hospitals dr's surgeries and health centers there are no corners to be cut ... unlike a gym thats not regulated there are loads of corners to cut"
So every single care is exactly the same? |
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" There is a massive difference between a gym and an old peoples home.
When profit is the bottom line ,corners are inevitably going to be cut.
no sorry thats not true a care homes are regulated and its rules are the same as hospitals dr's surgeries and health centers there are no corners to be cut ... unlike a gym thats not regulated there are loads of corners to cut
So every single care is exactly the same?"
by rules and regulations yes just like hospitals .. they will veri in what your getting for your money ranging from basic living to luxury but the care package is the same ... every care home is under the cqc (Care Quality Commission) and as said the same rules.
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" There is a massive difference between a gym and an old peoples home.
When profit is the bottom line ,corners are inevitably going to be cut.
no sorry thats not true a care homes are regulated and its rules are the same as hospitals dr's surgeries and health centers there are no corners to be cut ... unlike a gym thats not regulated there are loads of corners to cut
So every single care is exactly the same?
by rules and regulations yes just like hospitals .. they will veri in what your getting for your money ranging from basic living to luxury but the care package is the same ... every care home is under the cqc (Care Quality Commission) and as said the same rules.
The Care Quality Commission monitors, inspects and regulates hospitals, care homes, GP surgeries, dental practices"
I understand that... But rather like our current situation with some people observing quarantine on return to UK and some choosing to ignore it... One assumes not all managers choose to implement all regulations the same way... Hence why cqc ratings vary.
Question then is if all regs are the same... How did my mums place thankfully lock down in march with no new residents or visitors... And others take in new residents which it sounds like were bringing the infection into the home.? And how did they have stacks of ppe but if media are to be believed other care homes were struggling to acquire sufficient ppe?
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" There is a massive difference between a gym and an old peoples home.
When profit is the bottom line ,corners are inevitably going to be cut.
no sorry thats not true a care homes are regulated and its rules are the same as hospitals dr's surgeries and health centers there are no corners to be cut ... unlike a gym thats not regulated there are loads of corners to cut
So every single care is exactly the same?
by rules and regulations yes just like hospitals .. they will veri in what your getting for your money ranging from basic living to luxury but the care package is the same ... every care home is under the cqc (Care Quality Commission) and as said the same rules.
The Care Quality Commission monitors, inspects and regulates hospitals, care homes, GP surgeries, dental practices"
I’m not sure if it was panorama or dispatches who sent in undercover reporters who really dispelled the notion that all homes were up to standard. |
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" There is a massive difference between a gym and an old peoples home.
When profit is the bottom line ,corners are inevitably going to be cut.
no sorry thats not true a care homes are regulated and its rules are the same as hospitals dr's surgeries and health centers there are no corners to be cut ... unlike a gym thats not regulated there are loads of corners to cut
So every single care is exactly the same?
by rules and regulations yes just like hospitals .. they will veri in what your getting for your money ranging from basic living to luxury but the care package is the same ... every care home is under the cqc (Care Quality Commission) and as said the same rules.
The Care Quality Commission monitors, inspects and regulates hospitals, care homes, GP surgeries, dental practices
I’m not sure if it was panorama or dispatches who sent in undercover reporters who really dispelled the notion that all homes were up to standard."
yes and we all know about reporters and tv .. lets show the worse 1% and stuff the good 99%
there are always going to be those that fail hospitals fail banks fail but the majority of homes are good ... covid in the care homes was im afraid to say always going to happen with a panicking nhs trying to push everyone out to free the beds up sending residents back into homes infected ..but thats a story many wont do because the nhs is never to blame..
as for ppe i can only talk about this area ppe was hard to get because when weekly orders were put in we were told no its all reserved for the nhs and that included cleaning products...
now ill say this one of the most stressful jobs out there is a registered managers job many dont last 6 months ive done it (5yrs) but ive moved up the ladder .. its a job from hell the best of times let alone during covid times.. |
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It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up . |
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up ."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it |
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's"
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount |
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount"
Yes. The government said later they protected care homes.
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount"
Just been on itn news that a 80 year old man died of covid at the end of January.
That was the coroner's verdict.
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Just been on itn news that a 80 year old man died of covid at the end of January.
That was the coroner's verdict.
No link but probably find on google if anyone is interested "
From April 7 2020...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-sacrificing-the-elderly-care-homes-asked-to-take-covid-19-patients-11969661 |
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Just been on itn news that a 80 year old man died of covid at the end of January.
That was the coroner's verdict.
No link but probably find on google if anyone is interested
From April 7 2020...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-sacrificing-the-elderly-care-homes-asked-to-take-covid-19-patients-11969661"
Yep early april was when me and the Mrs had it after 3 patients were sent to the nursing home she works in.
Killing 21. |
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Just been on itn news that a 80 year old man died of covid at the end of January.
That was the coroner's verdict.
No link but probably find on google if anyone is interested
From April 7 2020...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-sacrificing-the-elderly-care-homes-asked-to-take-covid-19-patients-11969661
Yep early april was when me and the Mrs had it after 3 patients were sent to the nursing home she works in.
Killing 21."
"New government guidelines say negative tests for coronavirus are not required prior to the admittance of a new patient"
2 questions
Who stood to gain from CH deaths? (Think government pensions)
Who gave the order?
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Just been on itn news that a 80 year old man died of covid at the end of January.
That was the coroner's verdict.
No link but probably find on google if anyone is interested
From April 7 2020...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-sacrificing-the-elderly-care-homes-asked-to-take-covid-19-patients-11969661"
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also bear in mind there are council run care homes and private care homes the council ones are the ones that do everything by the councils advice and gov advice ...most private homes shut down before government advice and refused to be bullied by the nhs |
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"also bear in mind there are council run care homes and private care homes the council ones are the ones that do everything by the councils advice and gov advice ...most private homes shut down before government advice and refused to be bullied by the nhs "
The one the mrs works in Is owned by indians and they buckled under threats from the NHS of not getting any more residents from them in future if they never took those 3 in.
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it"
I knew I hadn't imagined that.
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Just been on itn news that a 80 year old man died of covid at the end of January.
That was the coroner's verdict.
No link but probably find on google if anyone is interested
From April 7 2020...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-sacrificing-the-elderly-care-homes-asked-to-take-covid-19-patients-11969661
Wrong subject link "
Sorry. My bad. I was validating this statement...
"I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount" |
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount"
Come on.. We were only following orders? You can't tell me that someone whos job is to take care of sick people can't think on their own and know they need to be tested on exit and on entrance |
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You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
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Nobody knew? After all the deaths in Wuhan? After Northern Italy?
In January both the English and US governments were briefed on exactly what this virus was about. What did they do with that information? Shorted the stockmarket. |
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Come on.. We were only following orders? You can't tell me that someone whos job is to take care of sick people can't think on their own and know they need to be tested on exit and on entrance"
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Nobody knew? After all the deaths in Wuhan? After Northern Italy?
In January both the English and US governments were briefed on exactly what this virus was about. What did they do with that information? Shorted the stockmarket."
Didn't US Senantors have behind closed doors meeting in January about the Coronavirus?
They then said there was nothing to worry about and proceeded to dump stocks?
Think there is the Stock Act that prohibits officials from benefiting from inside information... |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Nobody knew? After all the deaths in Wuhan? After Northern Italy?
In January both the English and US governments were briefed on exactly what this virus was about. What did they do with that information? Shorted the stockmarket.
Didn't US Senantors have behind closed doors meeting in January about the Coronavirus?
They then said there was nothing to worry about and proceeded to dump stocks?
Think there is the Stock Act that prohibits officials from benefiting from inside information..."
Yes. That was January 24 2020.
There is record of senators leaving that briefing, telling everyone everything was "nothing to worry about" and used that inside information to make money on the stock market.
That delay is thought to have cost 30 000 lives. |
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Come on.. We were only following orders? You can't tell me that someone whos job is to take care of sick people can't think on their own and know they need to be tested on exit and on entrance"
I know one CH Manager that point blank refused to take a resident in without a current test result.
She was told they had one but when she said she wanted to see it, it turned out the hospital had 'made a mistake'.
She's had zero Covid deaths, but only because she stood her ground.
I do wonder if this 'mistake' was a one off,mor if other mistakes were made in order to clear beds... |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Nobody knew? After all the deaths in Wuhan? After Northern Italy?
In January both the English and US governments were briefed on exactly what this virus was about. What did they do with that information? Shorted the stockmarket."
Yes they knew that,I was mentioning that nobody knew the 'effects' of emptying nhs beds rapidly without testing,testing was not available.
The gov website for tests didn't even come out till May,our first tests inhouse for residents and staff were the end of May then the end of June
Since July we get tested weekly,residents monthly/if slightest symptom
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Nobody knew? After all the deaths in Wuhan? After Northern Italy?
In January both the English and US governments were briefed on exactly what this virus was about. What did they do with that information? Shorted the stockmarket.
Didn't US Senantors have behind closed doors meeting in January about the Coronavirus?
They then said there was nothing to worry about and proceeded to dump stocks?
Think there is the Stock Act that prohibits officials from benefiting from inside information...
Yes. That was January 24 2020.
There is record of senators leaving that briefing, telling everyone everything was "nothing to worry about" and used that inside information to make money on the stock market.
That delay is thought to have cost 30 000 lives."
They knew about future lockdowns so Amazon Netflix stocks were GOLD,I wish people were not so divided because I hope you agree there is a Political crisis as well as a Medical crisis and I think the crony capitalists love a divided country..
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe."
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Come on.. We were only following orders? You can't tell me that someone whos job is to take care of sick people can't think on their own and know they need to be tested on exit and on entrance
I know one CH Manager that point blank refused to take a resident in without a current test result.
She was told they had one but when she said she wanted to see it, it turned out the hospital had 'made a mistake'.
She's had zero Covid deaths, but only because she stood her ground.
I do wonder if this 'mistake' was a one off,mor if other mistakes were made in order to clear beds..."
I saw a CH manager get interviewed on a News programme who said there had been a block booking for beds from the Gov and she had people sent to her with Covid and people who didn't have a test leaving the Hospital. She said she took them because if she hadn't accepted them she would be took off the list of available CH's. I guess a lot is about the money |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
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Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely. |
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Come on.. We were only following orders? You can't tell me that someone whos job is to take care of sick people can't think on their own and know they need to be tested on exit and on entrance
I know one CH Manager that point blank refused to take a resident in without a current test result.
She was told they had one but when she said she wanted to see it, it turned out the hospital had 'made a mistake'.
She's had zero Covid deaths, but only because she stood her ground.
I do wonder if this 'mistake' was a one off,mor if other mistakes were made in order to clear beds...
I saw a CH manager get interviewed on a News programme who said there had been a block booking for beds from the Gov and she had people sent to her with Covid and people who didn't have a test leaving the Hospital. She said she took them because if she hadn't accepted them she would be took off the list of available CH's. I guess a lot is about the money"
There's certainly profit to be had in CHs, but not the millions people seem to think there is - many of these places are like hotels with 24 hour care added, and that's not cheap to provide.
I don't think the government went out to screw the CHs, but they've certainly tried to push the blame onto them. |
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Why is it supporters of the government are so keen to move on without blame, or indeed accountability?
Why is it that these same people are always talking about how much worse it would be if Corbyn were in charge?
Why is it ok to apportion blame for something that hasn’t happened but are dead set against it for something that has? |
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"Why is it supporters of the government are so keen to move on without blame, or indeed accountability?
Why is it that these same people are always talking about how much worse it would be if Corbyn were in charge?
Why is it ok to apportion blame for something that hasn’t happened but are dead set against it for something that has?"
Oh there needs to be a review into what's happened, but it needs to be at the end of this, notnpart way through - it's a bit like having a enquiry half way through a plane crash otherwise.
I didn't like Johnson, Corbyn or the Liberally one (who obviously had a huge impact on me... ), but I've never really taken a lot of notice of politicians anyway. |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely. "
They are not forgetting in the mrs nursing home.
The familys are now going after the manager from the hospital that released them into the home.
They wont rest until they get answers. |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely.
I did not say forget it,talk about twist the post I made
I said things have improved due to learning from mistakes
I find that quite offensive when I was caring for these people and it will never go away,what I had to deal with,I've been a carer for 35 years for a reason
Everybody is blaming eachother,when we really need to work together to stop any more illness and deaths,lessons have been learned"
I apologise.
However I do think bad decisions were made and if I was one of the families affected,the least I'd expect is some sort of responsibility. |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely. "
I did not say forget it,as this has effected everybody,i said forget the blame game,talk about twist the post I made
I said things have improved due to learning from mistakes
I find that quite offensive when I was caring for these people and it will never go away,what I had to deal with,I've been a carer for 35 years for a reason
Everybody is blaming eachother,when we really need to work together to stop any more illness and deaths,lessons have been learned |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely.
They are not forgetting in the mrs nursing home.
The familys are now going after the manager from the hospital that released them into the home.
They wont rest until they get answers."
Be interesting to see what the manager says.
I'm guessing they will have got instructions from above. |
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Come on.. We were only following orders? You can't tell me that someone whos job is to take care of sick people can't think on their own and know they need to be tested on exit and on entrance
I know one CH Manager that point blank refused to take a resident in without a current test result.
She was told they had one but when she said she wanted to see it, it turned out the hospital had 'made a mistake'.
She's had zero Covid deaths, but only because she stood her ground.
I do wonder if this 'mistake' was a one off,mor if other mistakes were made in order to clear beds..."
Mr sister is a manager at a carehome and she never bowed to pressure.
Her home has been covid free all the way through. |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely.
They are not forgetting in the mrs nursing home.
The familys are now going after the manager from the hospital that released them into the home.
They wont rest until they get answers.
Be interesting to see what the manager says.
I'm guessing they will have got instructions from above."
We have been through this before the hospital manager had a choice and he chose to send them to care homes. |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely.
They are not forgetting in the mrs nursing home.
The familys are now going after the manager from the hospital that released them into the home.
They wont rest until they get answers.
Be interesting to see what the manager says.
I'm guessing they will have got instructions from above.
We have been through this before the hospital manager had a choice and he chose to send them to care homes."
See what comes out in court then.
It could open the floodgates. |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely.
They are not forgetting in the mrs nursing home.
The familys are now going after the manager from the hospital that released them into the home.
They wont rest until they get answers.
Be interesting to see what the manager says.
I'm guessing they will have got instructions from above.
We have been through this before the hospital manager had a choice and he chose to send them to care homes.
See what comes out in court then.
It could open the floodgates."
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"It spread to homes becouse patients were sent to homes with out being tested after being in hospital the nhs has to take some blame ,yes some do die in homes but not loads ,the death rate in homes is quite low in the spring and summer, the nhs messed up .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/
The Gov told them to do it by the looks of it
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's
I think it was not until after April that the Gov said they need a Covid test before sending them to CH's. It was reported that it was up to 20000 deaths in care homes which is a large amount
Come on.. We were only following orders? You can't tell me that someone whos job is to take care of sick people can't think on their own and know they need to be tested on exit and on entrance
I know one CH Manager that point blank refused to take a resident in without a current test result.
She was told they had one but when she said she wanted to see it, it turned out the hospital had 'made a mistake'.
She's had zero Covid deaths, but only because she stood her ground.
I do wonder if this 'mistake' was a one off,mor if other mistakes were made in order to clear beds...
I saw a CH manager get interviewed on a News programme who said there had been a block booking for beds from the Gov and she had people sent to her with Covid and people who didn't have a test leaving the Hospital. She said she took them because if she hadn't accepted them she would be took off the list of available CH's. I guess a lot is about the money
There's certainly profit to be had in CHs, but not the millions people seem to think there is - many of these places are like hotels with 24 hour care added, and that's not cheap to provide.
I don't think the government went out to screw the CHs, but they've certainly tried to push the blame onto them."
I don't have a problem with a business making money, it would be pointless doing it if they didn't make any.
I more meant that with that owner it was a choice of more business if they took the people in being sent from the Hospital with Covid or worried she would be overlooked in the future if she didn't...she chose the first one. |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely.
They are not forgetting in the mrs nursing home.
The familys are now going after the manager from the hospital that released them into the home.
They wont rest until they get answers.
Be interesting to see what the manager says.
I'm guessing they will have got instructions from above.
We have been through this before the hospital manager had a choice and he chose to send them to care homes."
I’m no fan of hospital managers (and I know a few) but to think they weren’t being pressured from above is naive, to say the least. |
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I work in a care home and all the staff are being tested weekly. Because we are a rehabilitation care home our residents come straight from hospital but only after they have tested negative for c19 |
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I more meant that with that owner it was a choice of more business if they took the people in being sent from the Hospital with Covid or worried she would be overlooked in the future if she didn't...she chose the first one."
Catch 22 that one.
If she didn't accept them and got taken off tbe service supplier list, then she'd go bust if her CH was primarily social services focussed.
Now she'll have CQC all over her and potentially have a chance of being shut down anyway.
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely.
They are not forgetting in the mrs nursing home.
The familys are now going after the manager from the hospital that released them into the home.
They wont rest until they get answers.
Be interesting to see what the manager says.
I'm guessing they will have got instructions from above."
Probably best not to guess though. Especially with something as politically charged and emotive as this.
Hopefully an enquiry will answer some of the questions and learn from it. I do agree Lionel that chasing the mighty dollar is sometimes counter to what is right. But I think this discussion thread has shown that its not black and white. That not all poor decisions were led by any one organisation and there were some that made good decisions... And remained covid free... My mums home so far being one of them..fingers crossed it remains that way. Where there's been negligence, let them be held to account. |
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"You can't blame anyone in particular,the government,nhs and carehomes,have learn't the hard way that mistakes were made at the beginning.nobody knew what they were dealing with
We lost 4 residents back in April,some surprised us,pulled through and still here to this day,a few were asymptomatic, I've worked in care homes for 35 years,it was a difficult time for all of us
The important thing is,that things have improved imensely,policy's and procedure's are now working,to protect everyone
So forget about the blame game,move forward and support our carehomes,because without them there would be alot more deaths/neglect of our vulnerable people
Yes lets just forget it happened and move on.
I'm sure the families affected would agree completely.
They are not forgetting in the mrs nursing home.
The familys are now going after the manager from the hospital that released them into the home.
They wont rest until they get answers.
Be interesting to see what the manager says.
I'm guessing they will have got instructions from above.
Probably best not to guess though. Especially with something as politically charged and emotive as this.
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Just seen tomorrows newspapers review and its rife again in care homes.
1300 cases per day to the most vulnerable people.
Once was unforgivable but twice is criminal |
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly "
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again. |
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again."
Don't believe everything you read. |
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again.
Don't believe everything you read. "
Why because you work in one care home you can speak for all the care homes in the uk? |
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again.
Don't believe everything you read.
Why because you work in one care home you can speak for all the care homes in the uk?"
No. Do you believe everything that's printed in the papers? |
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again.
Don't believe everything you read.
Why because you work in one care home you can speak for all the care homes in the uk?
No. Do you believe everything that's printed in the papers?"
More then a random care worker on a swingers site yeah |
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again.
Don't believe everything you read.
Why because you work in one care home you can speak for all the care homes in the uk?
No. Do you believe everything that's printed in the papers?
More then a random care worker on a swingers site yeah"
When did I say I was a care worker?? Anyway beside the point. If you want to believe the crap printed, feel free. |
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again.
Don't believe everything you read.
Why because you work in one care home you can speak for all the care homes in the uk?
No. Do you believe everything that's printed in the papers?
More then a random care worker on a swingers site yeah
When did I say I was a care worker?? Anyway beside the point. If you want to believe the crap printed, feel free."
The paper have editors as do the sky news reviewers..if they print the incorrect content they are held accountable...unlike someone posting on here. |
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again.
Don't believe everything you read.
Why because you work in one care home you can speak for all the care homes in the uk?
No. Do you believe everything that's printed in the papers?
More then a random care worker on a swingers site yeah
When did I say I was a care worker?? Anyway beside the point. If you want to believe the crap printed, feel free.
The paper have editors as do the sky news reviewers..if they print the incorrect content they are held accountable...unlike someone posting on here."
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again."
Slightly moot point, but it's 1100 per day, not 1300.
It's in 43 care homes out of the 17,000.
Just goes to show, one silly mistake and it has a major impact.
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I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again.
Slightly moot point, but it's 1100 per day, not 1300.
It's in 43 care homes out of the 17,000.
Just goes to show, one silly mistake and it has a major impact.
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again.
Slightly moot point, but it's 1100 per day, not 1300.
It's in 43 care homes out of the 17,000.
Just goes to show, one silly mistake and it has a major impact.
What silly mistake?"
No idea but it will have been something small - a carer got too close to someone or touched something contaminated, maybe a delivery that wasn't wiped over before being put away - could be anything. |
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I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again.
Slightly moot point, but it's 1100 per day, not 1300.
It's in 43 care homes out of the 17,000.
Just goes to show, one silly mistake and it has a major impact.
What silly mistake?
No idea but it will have been something small - a carer got too close to someone or touched something contaminated, maybe a delivery that wasn't wiped over before being put away - could be anything."
The gmnt shipping everyone from hospitals into care homes.
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"I do community work with vulnerable people. Some of them have said, oh, I have to die anyway. And my response is, this is a particularly nasty way to go. Yes, they're all going to die. As am I. But I wish for them, as for myself, as for you, a peaceful death, not fighting to breathe.threads
My parents have said the same. They know their life is now probably measured in months rather than years but they don't want to die from C19.
My mum has heart failure, she knows how awful it is to not be able to breathe.
One of my people has said she'll probably catch it. My ability to suppress "not on my fucking watch" is diminishing.
Yes, I can well understand that.
My parents feel as if they no longer have the right to expect medical treatment, in part due to the current rhetoric. In fact a paramedic told my father on Monday that he'd never get the operation he's waiting for because "they won't do a hernia repair on someone of your age" .
I don't know your dad's age, but my stepdad is currently, this very minute, on the operating table having a hernia repair. He is 73 and very fit and his age was never questioned in the process. "
You are very lucky I was told yesterday at Eastbourne DGH all elective operations are still serspended so the lump I have will not be removed but more pain relief can be proscribed.
I'm hoping for a scan ASAP
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"I wonder how many of the people who died in care homes would have died anyway, due to their age and underlying health conditions.
I can't help thinking that most of them, if not more would have died if they had been at home."
Having personally dealt with 43 people who came to ICU from the care system and died I can state from that small specimen... none. In reality the few in palliative care who contracted the virus remained in the care system as it was the kindest care path.
I’m sick of this “would have died anyway” bollox line, with them it robbed at least a year or two with their families. Combined, perhaps a hundred years of quality moments with those who they love... that’s one tiny space in Manchester.
Throughout this pandemic I’ve thought a lot about my parents, they are late 70’s, for their years they are in great health, they travel, love the arts and are wonderful grandparents to my boys. I’ve seen this virus at its very worst, the reality I know is if they contract covid the stats say I’ll likely lose at least one of them... that’s my reality but also thousands of others in this country.
We are all dying... covid however is robbing many people of significant life span through either death or lasting damage which will drastically shorten their life.
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"Not every care home....our residents and staff are tested weekly
I didn't say yours...what I said was 1300 cases of infection per day in the uk. All vulnerable residents...who has them is beside the point.
Point is it should not be happening again.
Slightly moot point, but it's 1100 per day, not 1300.
It's in 43 care homes out of the 17,000.
Just goes to show, one silly mistake and it has a major impact.
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"I just hope that over the coming months that we dont make the same mistake with infecting care homes again.
We are as nearly at the same point in infection rate as spring already.
Patients getting sent to care homes again will be totally unacceptable. "
It's probably inevitable
Statistically 80% of the infected people are asymptomatic, that will be care home workers too and many here claim that the lowest paid will not get tested in case they have to self isolate which also includes care workers
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"I just hope that over the coming months that we dont make the same mistake with infecting care homes again.
We are as nearly at the same point in infection rate as spring already.
Patients getting sent to care homes again will be totally unacceptable. "
That is down to the care home staff and management.
A mate works in one in Eastbourne, they have to change their clothes in the building. If they are care givers they have to shower, before and after shift.
In addition to the masks, gown, gloves, face plate that is worn. |
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