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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
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"5% of who. 5% of anyone tested positive, 5% of those hospitalised, 5% of those in ICU.
It makes a difference."
No has any idea about the extent of long term effects of covid. I am convinced this what will effect long term government thinking. Hardly anyone under 60 are not going to die from covid, but an awful lot more younger people will be left with life changing injuries. The true figure won't be known for many years. |
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I don't know much about other injuries but the kidney damage caused by covid has swamped the local renal wards. Thankfully it has eased a little but still very busy. At one point they were so full they were having to discharge patients before they would normally. |
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This is going to be something we don't know the full extent of for a very long time and it will, unfortunately, be difficult to isolate the effect of Covid on, say, cardiovascular health vs all the other things that can cause cardiovascular issues, eg diet, exercise etc. One for ongoing research, definitely. |
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"This is going to be something we don't know the full extent of for a very long time and it will, unfortunately, be difficult to isolate the effect of Covid on, say, cardiovascular health vs all the other things that can cause cardiovascular issues, eg diet, exercise etc. One for ongoing research, definitely. "
It will take up to three years to establish chronic effects of covid-19. Whatever organ has been affected needs time to recover/repair/rehabilitate. The brain is the organ that takes the longest to recover and hence the up to three years. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
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Yes we should be taking it more seriously. |
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"This is going to be something we don't know the full extent of for a very long time and it will, unfortunately, be difficult to isolate the effect of Covid on, say, cardiovascular health vs all the other things that can cause cardiovascular issues, eg diet, exercise etc. One for ongoing research, definitely.
It will take up to three years to establish chronic effects of covid-19. Whatever organ has been affected needs time to recover/repair/rehabilitate. The brain is the organ that takes the longest to recover and hence the up to three years. "
As you well know, certain cell types in the neurological or cardiovascular systems cannot renew/repair at all. There might well be permenant damage. I had a peripheral nerve injury during my last pregnancy (almost 4 years ago). The nerves have never fully regenerated and I now have a permanent injury. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You can take it more seriously if you like. I will carry on trying to get on with life because I genuinely feel like I am slowly but surely dying anyway, with all this terrifying, nannying and bullshit stuff going on that is sucking the life out of us.
Good luck with your uber safety first approach.
I just need to breath again and feel alive again.
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"5% of who. 5% of anyone tested positive, 5% of those hospitalised, 5% of those in ICU.
It makes a difference.
No has any idea about the extent of long term effects of covid. I am convinced this what will effect long term government thinking. Hardly anyone under 60 are not going to die from covid, but an awful lot more younger people will be left with life changing injuries. The true figure won't be known for many years."
I hope you're wrong... But life has a way of kicki g you in the nuts and suspect there will be some truth as the long term consequences are better known. Its why I get frustrated with the herd immunity response that does the rounds on these threads. Fingers crossed and keep the spread as low as we can. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is going to be something we don't know the full extent of for a very long time and it will, unfortunately, be difficult to isolate the effect of Covid on, say, cardiovascular health vs all the other things that can cause cardiovascular issues, eg diet, exercise etc. One for ongoing research, definitely.
It will take up to three years to establish chronic effects of covid-19. Whatever organ has been affected needs time to recover/repair/rehabilitate. The brain is the organ that takes the longest to recover and hence the up to three years.
As you well know, certain cell types in the neurological or cardiovascular systems cannot renew/repair at all. There might well be permenant damage. I had a peripheral nerve injury during my last pregnancy (almost 4 years ago). The nerves have never fully regenerated and I now have a permanent injury. "
Sorry, I should have stipulated rather than expecting fabbers to read between the lines.
Damage will be ascertained post recovery period. I have 20 months before I can actually state I have an acquired brain injury. |
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"This is going to be something we don't know the full extent of for a very long time and it will, unfortunately, be difficult to isolate the effect of Covid on, say, cardiovascular health vs all the other things that can cause cardiovascular issues, eg diet, exercise etc. One for ongoing research, definitely.
It will take up to three years to establish chronic effects of covid-19. Whatever organ has been affected needs time to recover/repair/rehabilitate. The brain is the organ that takes the longest to recover and hence the up to three years.
As you well know, certain cell types in the neurological or cardiovascular systems cannot renew/repair at all. There might well be permenant damage. I had a peripheral nerve injury during my last pregnancy (almost 4 years ago). The nerves have never fully regenerated and I now have a permanent injury.
Sorry, I should have stipulated rather than expecting fabbers to read between the lines.
Damage will be ascertained post recovery period. I have 20 months before I can actually state I have an acquired brain injury. "
Sorry to hear that. I've given up expecting mine to recover and I think I've come to terms with it. Most of the time........  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"5% of who. 5% of anyone tested positive, 5% of those hospitalised, 5% of those in ICU.
It makes a difference."
https://imaging.onlinejacc.org/content/early/2020/08/05/j.jcmg.2020.05.004
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87758
https://covid.joinzoe.com/us-2
Worth reading all.
To answer your question according to the Covid Symptom app 5-15% have still not recovered. So assuming at least 5% of the UK population have been exposed ( conservative estimate probably 10% in reality) - that’s between 200,000 and 600,000.
Even at 200,000 .... that’s a lot of people who have not fully recovered and are likely to have long term side effects. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Chronic fatigue I have had this for years caffeine sorts it.
No it doesn’t, it just pushes the problem into tomorrow. "
Another coffee sorts that though.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Chronic fatigue I have had this for years caffeine sorts it.
No it doesn’t, it just pushes the problem into tomorrow.
Another coffee sorts that though. "
Yep and when that starts to wear off have anougher coffee it's worked well for me for years. |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
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"Chronic fatigue I have had this for years caffeine sorts it.
No it doesn’t, it just pushes the problem into tomorrow.
Another coffee sorts that though. "
great attitude! i bet you smile through everyday, if only there was more like yourself instead of the constant negativity!  |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
Yes we should be taking it more seriously."
dont forget the pesky cancer!
those buses who take a few out each year too! and of course them planes often just drop out of the sky aswel!
look at the state of the country and society at the min and you think it needs to be taken more seriously??? itll never be eliminated. lets all start living again hey! |
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"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
Yes we should be taking it more seriously.
dont forget the pesky cancer!
those buses who take a few out each year too! and of course them planes often just drop out of the sky aswel!
look at the state of the country and society at the min and you think it needs to be taken more seriously??? itll never be eliminated. lets all start living again hey! "
You typed this while dead? Reincarnation is possible?
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
Yes we should be taking it more seriously.
dont forget the pesky cancer!
those buses who take a few out each year too! and of course them planes often just drop out of the sky aswel!
look at the state of the country and society at the min and you think it needs to be taken more seriously??? itll never be eliminated. lets all start living again hey!
You typed this while dead? Reincarnation is possible?
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i believe it is yes  |
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Life's a bit crap and inconvenient. Short term work for long term gain. For you, for your loved ones, for your community. For strangers.
I suck it up because I don't want people to suffer from this disease. And if we bring the risk down we can help more people. |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
Yes we should be taking it more seriously.
dont forget the pesky cancer!
those buses who take a few out each year too! and of course them planes often just drop out of the sky aswel!
look at the state of the country and society at the min and you think it needs to be taken more seriously??? itll never be eliminated. lets all start living again hey!
You typed this while dead? Reincarnation is possible?
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what no smart comeback? 
there's a MASSIVE difference between existing and living. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
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To be honest these are the things that scare me a lot |
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"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
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Some of us were taking it seriously from day 1. Some of us were utterly horrified at the government's laissez faire approach of initially allowing uncontrolled spread of an infection that still has unknown long term consequences. Some of us are filled with blinding rage that the possibility of avoiding the pandemic here before it had got started was pissed away by the worst leadership this country has ever had. Some of us are boiling with fury that the virus was not treated as an existential threat to the health and economy of this country, but instead as an opportunity for blatent theft of public funds to the tune of billions of pounds - yes, Mr. Cummings, I'm looking at you giving hundreds of millions of pounds to your mates for a "test and trace" application that was never delivered, I'm looking at millions of pounds being handed out to minister's relatives to provide PPE that was the wrong sort, I'm looking at contracts being given to completely unsuitable companies that funnily enough just happen to be tory party donors, without any independent examination being allowed. Some of us are grimly disappointed to be saying "we told you so".
So no, we shouldn't be "thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously" - we should actually be taking it seriously, and we should have been taking it seriously even before it reached these shores. Then perhaps 50,000 or so people here would still be alive, an unknown number would not have been left with life changing disabilities, there would have been no necessity for closing down the economy, and the country would not have incurred trillions of pounds in debt. |
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"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
Some of us were taking it seriously from day 1. Some of us were utterly horrified at the government's laissez faire approach of initially allowing uncontrolled spread of an infection that still has unknown long term consequences. Some of us are filled with blinding rage that the possibility of avoiding the pandemic here before it had got started was pissed away by the worst leadership this country has ever had. Some of us are boiling with fury that the virus was not treated as an existential threat to the health and economy of this country, but instead as an opportunity for blatent theft of public funds to the tune of billions of pounds - yes, Mr. Cummings, I'm looking at you giving hundreds of millions of pounds to your mates for a "test and trace" application that was never delivered, I'm looking at millions of pounds being handed out to minister's relatives to provide PPE that was the wrong sort, I'm looking at contracts being given to completely unsuitable companies that funnily enough just happen to be tory party donors, without any independent examination being allowed. Some of us are grimly disappointed to be saying "we told you so".
So no, we shouldn't be "thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously" - we should actually be taking it seriously, and we should have been taking it seriously even before it reached these shores. Then perhaps 50,000 or so people here would still be alive, an unknown number would not have been left with life changing disabilities, there would have been no necessity for closing down the economy, and the country would not have incurred trillions of pounds in debt."
Thing is... Unless you have a time machine,knowing with hindsight what we should have done yesterday or the day before or 6 months ago is almost irrelevant. I do agree, living on an island, you'd have thought we could have locked down properly Nd I do agree we really didn't do a good job of that. That said it's really about what we do today and tomorrow to get our of this situation and as someone said, start living again instead of just existing. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
Some of us were taking it seriously from day 1. Some of us were utterly horrified at the government's laissez faire approach of initially allowing uncontrolled spread of an infection that still has unknown long term consequences. Some of us are filled with blinding rage that the possibility of avoiding the pandemic here before it had got started was pissed away by the worst leadership this country has ever had. Some of us are boiling with fury that the virus was not treated as an existential threat to the health and economy of this country, but instead as an opportunity for blatent theft of public funds to the tune of billions of pounds - yes, Mr. Cummings, I'm looking at you giving hundreds of millions of pounds to your mates for a "test and trace" application that was never delivered, I'm looking at millions of pounds being handed out to minister's relatives to provide PPE that was the wrong sort, I'm looking at contracts being given to completely unsuitable companies that funnily enough just happen to be tory party donors, without any independent examination being allowed. Some of us are grimly disappointed to be saying "we told you so".
So no, we shouldn't be "thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously" - we should actually be taking it seriously, and we should have been taking it seriously even before it reached these shores. Then perhaps 50,000 or so people here would still be alive, an unknown number would not have been left with life changing disabilities, there would have been no necessity for closing down the economy, and the country would not have incurred trillions of pounds in debt."
I agree whole heartedly with you Polly. Unfortunately we cannot change the past but what we do now will greatly determine the outcome of the future, which is why I think we should start talking about eliminating this virus( Zero Covid) which will be good both from a health and economic outlook.
There will be without doubt a public enquiry on the handling of the pandemic but what is more important now is finding a pathway out of this mess- a vaccine will help but it will be part of an overall strategy. |
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I'd hope that we could turn this around and get people back on board with working on zero Covid as a strategy if we had actual accountability and clear communication from the government.
Whoops yes a pig did just fly by my window |
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"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
Yes we should be taking it more seriously.
dont forget the pesky cancer!
those buses who take a few out each year too! and of course them planes often just drop out of the sky aswel!
look at the state of the country and society at the min and you think it needs to be taken more seriously??? itll never be eliminated. lets all start living again hey! "
I maybe wrong but didn't think you could catch cancer or when one bus crashes the bits flying around caused others to crash especially older buses.
And those pesky airlines, when one drops out the sky they all drop, especially those Chinese ones.  |
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"... and we need to make sacrifices for the greater good. Suck it up."
Agree, and the ones most at risk gave a little more than staying a few meters apart and washing their hands.
I've been amazed at the self centred selfishness shown over the past months.
Push people out of their comfort zone and the mask slips.
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"... and we need to make sacrifices for the greater good. Suck it up.
Agree, and the ones most at risk gave a little more than staying a few meters apart and washing their hands.
I've been amazed at the self centred selfishness shown over the past months.
Push people out of their comfort zone and the mask slips.
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Yep,not exactly what other people look for when on a swinging site.
Our block list runs to 100s, mostly due to attitude on the forums and I'm pretty sure others do the same. |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
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"There are a few studies coming to light showing roughly one in 20 people (5%) have long term side effects such as
Chronic fatigue,
Myocarditis,
Lung damage
These figures are similar to SARS 1 patients.
Should we be thinking of trying to take this virus much more seriously and looking at eliminating this virus?
Yes we should be taking it more seriously.
dont forget the pesky cancer!
those buses who take a few out each year too! and of course them planes often just drop out of the sky aswel!
look at the state of the country and society at the min and you think it needs to be taken more seriously??? itll never be eliminated. lets all start living again hey!
I maybe wrong but didn't think you could catch cancer or when one bus crashes the bits flying around caused others to crash especially older buses.
And those pesky airlines, when one drops out the sky they all drop, especially those Chinese ones. "
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
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"... and we need to make sacrifices for the greater good. Suck it up.
Agree, and the ones most at risk gave a little more than staying a few meters apart and washing their hands.
I've been amazed at the self centred selfishness shown over the past months.
Push people out of their comfort zone and the mask slips.
Yep,not exactly what other people look for when on a swinging site.
Our block list runs to 100s, mostly due to attitude on the forums and I'm pretty sure others do the same."
yep we do |
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"... and we need to make sacrifices for the greater good. Suck it up.
Agree, and the ones most at risk gave a little more than staying a few meters apart and washing their hands.
I've been amazed at the self centred selfishness shown over the past months.
Push people out of their comfort zone and the mask slips.
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Agreed.
Does this suck? Yes. It fucking sucks. It sucks so very much.
But the fact I want to see my friends, hug my mum sometime in the next 12 months, go to a club, etc... Shit has to go on hold. I can get by. It's manageable.
We work together, we get through. We hopefully get our lives back (including the economy, including education, including mental health, including cancer treatment) without too much more carnage. But we have to understand what we're doing, why, and knuckle down. |
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