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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give?" I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give?" Nope ....... should the Uk? Should the USA? It’s all been a total clusterfuck | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff"" 
Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. | |||
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" Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. " Then again the ccp is killing it's own citizens in concentration camps because of their Faiths and even selling their organs. | |||
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" Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. Then again the ccp is killing it's own citizens in concentration camps because of their Faiths and even selling their organs." And yet still we choose to talk with our wallets and show how much we care. Fill our houses with "cheap" stuff from China from amaz.on and e. Bay... That's how much we care about others. Still support businesses who source and manufacture increasingly from china.. And so continue to support and grow that regime. We know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused " I'm sure they will consider it once the Americans pay for the 2009 H1N1 pandemic which according to the American CDC (Centres for disease Control and Prevention) was first detected in the USA and killed an estimated 151,700-575,400 people worldwide. | |||
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"No but we should try and work together to stop it happening again. A bit more openness would do. " Wouldn't that be wonderful. | |||
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" Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. Then again the ccp is killing it's own citizens in concentration camps because of their Faiths and even selling their organs. And yet still we choose to talk with our wallets and show how much we care. Fill our houses with "cheap" stuff from China from amaz.on and e. Bay... That's how much we care about others. Still support businesses who source and manufacture increasingly from china.. And so continue to support and grow that regime. We know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. " Are none of your phone parts from China. China is a big part of globalisation as they can produce, faster, more efficient, cheaper and have a better work ethic. It's going to be hard for everyone to change habbits and go without. | |||
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" Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. Then again the ccp is killing it's own citizens in concentration camps because of their Faiths and even selling their organs. And yet still we choose to talk with our wallets and show how much we care. Fill our houses with "cheap" stuff from China from amaz.on and e. Bay... That's how much we care about others. Still support businesses who source and manufacture increasingly from china.. And so continue to support and grow that regime. We know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. "
If some thing is cheep some one has worked hard for very little think befor you spend and vote with your feet or cash
Its like asking should Amazon or ebay pay for the colaps of the high street ? ? | |||
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" Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. Then again the ccp is killing it's own citizens in concentration camps because of their Faiths and even selling their organs. And yet still we choose to talk with our wallets and show how much we care. Fill our houses with "cheap" stuff from China from amaz.on and e. Bay... That's how much we care about others. Still support businesses who source and manufacture increasingly from china.. And so continue to support and grow that regime. We know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Are none of your phone parts from China. China is a big part of globalisation as they can produce, faster, more efficient, cheaper and have a better work ethic. It's going to be hard for everyone to change habbits and go without." 100 % agree... And the irony /hypocrisy is... I've got a frigging huawei handset. I was in 2 minds at the time but went for price over conscience. It can't be done over night. But if we start to unwind it slowly... We can have an influence. | |||
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" Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. Then again the ccp is killing it's own citizens in concentration camps because of their Faiths and even selling their organs. And yet still we choose to talk with our wallets and show how much we care. Fill our houses with "cheap" stuff from China from amaz.on and e. Bay... That's how much we care about others. Still support businesses who source and manufacture increasingly from china.. And so continue to support and grow that regime. We know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Are none of your phone parts from China. China is a big part of globalisation as they can produce, faster, more efficient, cheaper and have a better work ethic. It's going to be hard for everyone to change habbits and go without. 100 % agree... And the irony /hypocrisy is... I've got a frigging huawei handset. I was in 2 minds at the time but went for price over conscience. It can't be done over night. But if we start to unwind it slowly... We can have an influence. " Well, you’ve got a hotline to the CCP then. Get on it! | |||
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" Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. Then again the ccp is killing it's own citizens in concentration camps because of their Faiths and even selling their organs. And yet still we choose to talk with our wallets and show how much we care. Fill our houses with "cheap" stuff from China from amaz.on and e. Bay... That's how much we care about others. Still support businesses who source and manufacture increasingly from china.. And so continue to support and grow that regime. We know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
If some thing is cheep some one has worked hard for very little think befor you spend and vote with your feet or cash
Its like asking should Amazon or ebay pay for the colaps of the high street ? ?"Many people cannot afford to be so principled. It's the same with organic food vs GM food or wholesome foods vs processed. In other words some are ruled by lack of money. | |||
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"Just stop buying their stuff, we need to support our own industries then European ones" exactly | |||
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" Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. Then again the ccp is killing it's own citizens in concentration camps because of their Faiths and even selling their organs. And yet still we choose to talk with our wallets and show how much we care. Fill our houses with "cheap" stuff from China from amaz.on and e. Bay... That's how much we care about others. Still support businesses who source and manufacture increasingly from china.. And so continue to support and grow that regime. We know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Are none of your phone parts from China. China is a big part of globalisation as they can produce, faster, more efficient, cheaper and have a better work ethic. It's going to be hard for everyone to change habbits and go without. 100 % agree... And the irony /hypocrisy is... I've got a frigging huawei handset. I was in 2 minds at the time but went for price over conscience. It can't be done over night. But if we start to unwind it slowly... We can have an influence. Well, you’ve got a hotline to the CCP then. Get on it!" I ll let you know how it goes... Oh hang on... Got an incoming call now from a +86 number.. How did they know that?! | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give?" Firstly they will just laugh at anyone trying to get reparations so a waste of time and money trying. Secondly the answer is no covid has happened one of those things,they where totally clueless at first. If they had alarmed the world people like Trump would have said they where trying to spread panic.people like Trump who blame China are deflecting there own failures on someone else. | |||
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"No. Something that's a natural cause should not be pinned to a specific country for compensation to others. They lockeddown more strictly than other countries have and released the DNA sequence to the world very quickly, helping the world work together to get a potential vaccine ready. Each other country was able to make its own plans and action. If the UK for example didn't restrict travellers, that's our fault. It's clear that many countries have been abysmal in tackling it. Each of them including us could be sued if China is made ti. Building collaboration and cooperation is much more important than alienation and punishment, whilst individuals and each company takes responsibility for itself and its citizens. " | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff"
Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. "Of course we shouldn’t make this an issue of race, thank you for clarifying that point. This is an issue of the chinese authorities not doing their job properly, negligent behaviour akin to corporate manslaughter. Of course there are other grievances which the rest of the world have with CCP, however this is not the post to discuss those. The focus is on reparations to the rest of the world due to the supression of information for initial outbreak and the subsequent damage thereafter. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give?" Who is to say it wasn't a US spy who planted the virus in a Chinese market? Trump would luv to blame 'Chi-na' and hold it to ransom, only to quash their economy and boost the US. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? Who is to say it wasn't a US spy who planted the virus in a Chinese market? Trump would luv to blame 'Chi-na' and hold it to ransom, only to quash their economy and boost the US." The US didn't plant the virus but they did help fund the Wuhan lab to design the virus. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff"
Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese.
Of course we shouldn’t make this an issue of race, thank you for clarifying that point.
This is an issue of the chinese authorities not doing their job properly, negligent behaviour akin to corporate manslaughter.
Of course there are other grievances which the rest of the world have with CCP, however this is not the post to discuss those. The focus is on reparations to the rest of the world due to the supression of information for initial outbreak and the subsequent damage thereafter."If you think that seeking reparations from the govt won't affect the Chinese people, think again. There'd be a ripple effect around the world towards the Chinese. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give?" Would you feel the same if it started in the UK... Free and fair trade is a different story.. | |||
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"Why? Pretty sure if a virus like this originated here our government would do exactly as China did." | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? Who is to say it wasn't a US spy who planted the virus in a Chinese market? Trump would luv to blame 'Chi-na' and hold it to ransom, only to quash their economy and boost the US." well if it was it didn't work as the US economy is still fucked and Chinas is virtually back to pre virus levels. | |||
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"Why? Pretty sure if a virus like this originated here our government would do exactly as China did." Hah... I'm not one for government bashing.... But I somehow don't think we would have been able to close down a city and restrict and manage the virus spread...wr can't even do it on one aeroplane. Having said that... China take a very different approach to opponents of the government and those that choose to flout the rules. | |||
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Cant pay we will take it away..lol..
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused I'm sure they will consider it once the Americans pay for the 2009 H1N1 pandemic which according to the American CDC (Centres for disease Control and Prevention) was first detected in the USA and killed an estimated 151,700-575,400 people worldwide. " Didn't the 'Spanish Flu' originate in the USA as well? | |||
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"No" Oh my mistake. I thought Kansas was in America, but my knowledge of geography is pretty scant.  | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give?" A great shout ... They do hold a large responsibility for this so yes a few billion as a token gesture . | |||
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"Communist China is not to be trusted and should have no input on this country's 5g network. They oppress any opposition and are completely untrustworthy. They wouldn't pay anything anyway. " China hasn’t been Communist since the early 80s, a totalitarian dictatorship yes but not Communist. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give?" No, next question. | |||
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"Communist China is not to be trusted and should have no input on this country's 5g network. They oppress any opposition and are completely untrustworthy. They wouldn't pay anything anyway. China hasn’t been Communist since the early 80s, a totalitarian dictatorship yes but not Communist." The Chinese communist party are still dictating policy | |||
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" Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. Then again the ccp is killing it's own citizens in concentration camps because of their Faiths and even selling their organs. And yet still we choose to talk with our wallets and show how much we care. Fill our houses with "cheap" stuff from China from amaz.on and e. Bay... That's how much we care about others. Still support businesses who source and manufacture increasingly from china.. And so continue to support and grow that regime. We know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. " | |||
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"Communist China is not to be trusted and should have no input on this country's 5g network. They oppress any opposition and are completely untrustworthy. They wouldn't pay anything anyway. China hasn’t been Communist since the early 80s, a totalitarian dictatorship yes but not Communist. The Chinese communist party are still dictating policy "And North Korea calls itself the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea but I’m not sure I’d call it a democracy. | |||
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"Communist China is not to be trusted and should have no input on this country's 5g network. They oppress any opposition and are completely untrustworthy. They wouldn't pay anything anyway. " If you just change those words too great Britain.. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused I'm sure they will consider it once the Americans pay for the 2009 H1N1 pandemic which according to the American CDC (Centres for disease Control and Prevention) was first detected in the USA and killed an estimated 151,700-575,400 people worldwide. " And europe to pay for originating cholera, syphilis, typhus etc etc? To those brainwashed by american media & educated by twitter, C-19 does not originate from bat consumption. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give?" Plenty of people on here claim to have had it last year, long before china  | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused I'm sure they will consider it once the Americans pay for the 2009 H1N1 pandemic which according to the American CDC (Centres for disease Control and Prevention) was first detected in the USA and killed an estimated 151,700-575,400 people worldwide. " And "Spanish" flu from 1918-20. If we are talking about "blame game". It was the US who gave it that name to deflect from the fact it was a bird flu originating in American mid-west! | |||
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"Is your first name Donald OP?" No, not at all, I don’t want to go down the name calling, we need to have sensible debate about the millions of people who have got sick, and those who have needlessly died because of the pandemic. All I am saying is the China should have done it job properly, what responsible government would supress information about the virus? They stopped the doctors from reporting it in the first place. The whole world is affected, and we need to bring the world back to normal. The chinese government should bear responsibility and should give financial compensation to the world and or free medical aid. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff"
Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese.
Of course we shouldn’t make this an issue of race, thank you for clarifying that point.
This is an issue of the chinese authorities not doing their job properly, negligent behaviour akin to corporate manslaughter.
Of course there are other grievances which the rest of the world have with CCP, however this is not the post to discuss those. The focus is on reparations to the rest of the world due to the supression of information for initial outbreak and the subsequent damage thereafter.
If you think that seeking reparations from the govt won't affect the Chinese people, think again. There'd be a ripple effect around the world towards the Chinese. "There is a probability of this occuring, however there is also a probability of this not occuring also. China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused I'm sure they will consider it once the Americans pay for the 2009 H1N1 pandemic which according to the American CDC (Centres for disease Control and Prevention) was first detected in the USA and killed an estimated 151,700-575,400 people worldwide. And europe to pay for originating cholera, syphilis, typhus etc etc? To those brainwashed by american media & educated by twitter, C-19 does not originate from bat consumption. " That is true, the facts have been distoted on the route of transmission. One fact is clear, the CCP supressed information about the initial outbreak. | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right." China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March. | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March." Charging top dollar | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March." I'm assuming (I know big mistake to assume), that making ppe is more complicated.... Otherwise surely rather than paying people to sit at home and not work on furlough, that some could be directed to a workshop to manufacture our own ppe on our own doorstep. Not needing to be transported halfway across the planet. Reducing by a tiny fraction our dependence on a hostile regime.? Or am I being overly simplistic.? | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March. I'm assuming (I know big mistake to assume), that making ppe is more complicated.... Otherwise surely rather than paying people to sit at home and not work on furlough, that some could be directed to a workshop to manufacture our own ppe on our own doorstep. Not needing to be transported halfway across the planet. Reducing by a tiny fraction our dependence on a hostile regime.? Or am I being overly simplistic.? " Like most things, PPE is made on specialised machines that require some skill to use. While some items can be made using a sewing machine, that too is a machine that requires skill to operate correctly. | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March. I'm assuming (I know big mistake to assume), that making ppe is more complicated.... Otherwise surely rather than paying people to sit at home and not work on furlough, that some could be directed to a workshop to manufacture our own ppe on our own doorstep. Not needing to be transported halfway across the planet. Reducing by a tiny fraction our dependence on a hostile regime.? Or am I being overly simplistic.? Like most things, PPE is made on specialised machines that require some skill to use. While some items can be made using a sewing machine, that too is a machine that requires skill to operate correctly." I don't doubt.. For some things... But For some.. The cling film aprons, the perspex shields, the latex gloves... I'm no expert but can't imagine it takes months to learn how to make those... | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March. Charging top dollar " And? | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March. I'm assuming (I know big mistake to assume), that making ppe is more complicated.... Otherwise surely rather than paying people to sit at home and not work on furlough, that some could be directed to a workshop to manufacture our own ppe on our own doorstep. Not needing to be transported halfway across the planet. Reducing by a tiny fraction our dependence on a hostile regime.? Or am I being overly simplistic.? Like most things, PPE is made on specialised machines that require some skill to use. While some items can be made using a sewing machine, that too is a machine that requires skill to operate correctly. I don't doubt.. For some things... But For some.. The cling film aprons, the perspex shields, the latex gloves... I'm no expert but can't imagine it takes months to learn how to make those... " No but you can't just knit a pair of latex gloves or crochet a perspex shield. These things require machines to make them and if he have the machines we probably have people who are trained to use them, and if we have people who are trained to use them they probably already are. Then of course you have the statements from various PPE manufacturers that they were ignored by the government when they offered to help and so started selling their products abroad. That the the government thought it better to ignore these companies with decades of experience in favour of doling out no tender deals to companies that have no assets or employees but are owned by people friendly with those in close to Boris and his pals is an entirely different conversation. As is the fact that at least one of these companies wasted tens of millions on unusable PPE from Turkey. | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March. Charging top dollar " I'm referring to items supplied by the Chinese Government, not items ordered from manufacturers. The Chinese Government have donated all items they have sent. | |||
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"No but then they wouldn't anyway what should happen though is they come up with a solution and produce it and distribute it to the rest of the world at cost of for free. " Or alternatively you would have scientists around the world working together to come up with a solution. | |||
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"Absolutely, I love being mugged and robbed because we chinese people have to pay..." I've got your back - but I prefer your food  | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. " Unreal isnt it? | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it?" They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change  | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change "I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh. Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto? | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?"I think we are more informed now about the things that have happened in past with the western powers. That level of introspection is not uniform around the world. | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?
I think we are more informed now about the things that have happened in past with the western powers. That level of introspection is not uniform around the world."We seem to have a knack in this country of giving out lectures to other countries. | |||
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"you try that shit first thing china does is call in all the debt countries have with it. then what you going to do..." You maybe be right, but financially all countries are interconnected at some level, I presume china has debts also with someone else also. | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?
I think we are more informed now about the things that have happened in past with the western powers. That level of introspection is not uniform around the world.
We seem to have a knack in this country of giving out lectures to other countries."Yes we are, an inherent quality in these Isles. | |||
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"Absolutely, I love being mugged and robbed because we chinese people have to pay..." No you don’t deserve that, that is wrong. No individual should be intimidated or absued because of their race. | |||
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"you try that shit first thing china does is call in all the debt countries have with it. then what you going to do... You maybe be right, but financially all countries are interconnected at some level, I presume china has debts also with someone else also. " and when they stop supplying parts for iphones and other products the pressure will grow from them companies. also china is involved with many construction projects around the globe and owns many high value properties in london and other major cities. they could cause real problems | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March. I'm assuming (I know big mistake to assume), that making ppe is more complicated.... Otherwise surely rather than paying people to sit at home and not work on furlough, that some could be directed to a workshop to manufacture our own ppe on our own doorstep. Not needing to be transported halfway across the planet. Reducing by a tiny fraction our dependence on a hostile regime.? Or am I being overly simplistic.? Like most things, PPE is made on specialised machines that require some skill to use. While some items can be made using a sewing machine, that too is a machine that requires skill to operate correctly. I don't doubt.. For some things... But For some.. The cling film aprons, the perspex shields, the latex gloves... I'm no expert but can't imagine it takes months to learn how to make those... No but you can't just knit a pair of latex gloves or crochet a perspex shield. These things require machines to make them and if he have the machines we probably have people who are trained to use them, and if we have people who are trained to use them they probably already are. Then of course you have the statements from various PPE manufacturers that they were ignored by the government when they offered to help and so started selling their products abroad. That the the government thought it better to ignore these companies with decades of experience in favour of doling out no tender deals to companies that have no assets or employees but are owned by people friendly with those in close to Boris and his pals is an entirely different conversation. As is the fact that at least one of these companies wasted tens of millions on unusable PPE from Turkey." A valid point, maybe a post about the problem with The UK government procurement of PPE during the pandemic? | |||
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"you try that shit first thing china does is call in all the debt countries have with it. then what you going to do... You maybe be right, but financially all countries are interconnected at some level, I presume china has debts also with someone else also. and when they stop supplying parts for iphones and other products the pressure will grow from them companies. also china is involved with many construction projects around the globe and owns many high value properties in london and other major cities. they could cause real problems" The great thing about supply chains is that they can be changed, a few changes and another place takes over. Business tends to be agile when situations change. They could, with large development projects, the money stops the project stops, but there are always alternatives. | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?"That's ancient history. Let's keep with the current disaster Covid. The chinese need to be shamed of the way this happened. Never fear someone because they are powerful. History and common sense tells us appeasement simply is pathetic and doesnt work . Liken it to the school yard bully ? | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?
That's ancient history. Let's keep with the current disaster Covid.
The chinese need to be shamed of the way this happened. Never fear someone because they are powerful. History and common sense tells us appeasement simply is pathetic and doesnt work .
Liken it to the school yard bully ?"Right ok. So is there a cut of point for this pick and mix history? Never fear the school bully. Always worked a treat. | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March. I'm assuming (I know big mistake to assume), that making ppe is more complicated.... Otherwise surely rather than paying people to sit at home and not work on furlough, that some could be directed to a workshop to manufacture our own ppe on our own doorstep. Not needing to be transported halfway across the planet. Reducing by a tiny fraction our dependence on a hostile regime.? Or am I being overly simplistic.? Like most things, PPE is made on specialised machines that require some skill to use. While some items can be made using a sewing machine, that too is a machine that requires skill to operate correctly. I don't doubt.. For some things... But For some.. The cling film aprons, the perspex shields, the latex gloves... I'm no expert but can't imagine it takes months to learn how to make those... No but you can't just knit a pair of latex gloves or crochet a perspex shield. These things require machines to make them and if he have the machines we probably have people who are trained to use them, and if we have people who are trained to use them they probably already are. Then of course you have the statements from various PPE manufacturers that they were ignored by the government when they offered to help and so started selling their products abroad. That the the government thought it better to ignore these companies with decades of experience in favour of doling out no tender deals to companies that have no assets or employees but are owned by people friendly with those in close to Boris and his pals is an entirely different conversation. As is the fact that at least one of these companies wasted tens of millions on unusable PPE from Turkey. A valid point, maybe a post about the problem with The UK government procurement of PPE during the pandemic?" That was an urgent situation so understandable in many ways. However with long term planning we need to wean ourselves away from chinese cheap goods and those supplied using poverty labour . | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?
That's ancient history. Let's keep with the current disaster Covid.
The chinese need to be shamed of the way this happened. Never fear someone because they are powerful. History and common sense tells us appeasement simply is pathetic and doesnt work .
Liken it to the school yard bully ?
Right ok.
So is there a cut of point for this pick and mix history?
Never fear the school bully.
Always worked a treat.
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?
That's ancient history. Let's keep with the current disaster Covid.
The chinese need to be shamed of the way this happened. Never fear someone because they are powerful. History and common sense tells us appeasement simply is pathetic and doesnt work .
Liken it to the school yard bully ?
Right ok.
So is there a cut of point for this pick and mix history?
Never fear the school bully.
Always worked a treat.
"Yes we can only deal with here and now, not do a thing about the past. No point dwelling on what occurred 100 years ago. I think the germans would agree with that ? | |||
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" China should do the honourable thing and provide free medical or financial aid to countries who have been affected. It was their responsibility to do so to make things right. China make about half of the global PPE supplies and they've been sending millions of pieces of it into Europe since March. I'm assuming (I know big mistake to assume), that making ppe is more complicated.... Otherwise surely rather than paying people to sit at home and not work on furlough, that some could be directed to a workshop to manufacture our own ppe on our own doorstep. Not needing to be transported halfway across the planet. Reducing by a tiny fraction our dependence on a hostile regime.? Or am I being overly simplistic.? Like most things, PPE is made on specialised machines that require some skill to use. While some items can be made using a sewing machine, that too is a machine that requires skill to operate correctly. I don't doubt.. For some things... But For some.. The cling film aprons, the perspex shields, the latex gloves... I'm no expert but can't imagine it takes months to learn how to make those... No but you can't just knit a pair of latex gloves or crochet a perspex shield. These things require machines to make them and if he have the machines we probably have people who are trained to use them, and if we have people who are trained to use them they probably already are. Then of course you have the statements from various PPE manufacturers that they were ignored by the government when they offered to help and so started selling their products abroad. That the the government thought it better to ignore these companies with decades of experience in favour of doling out no tender deals to companies that have no assets or employees but are owned by people friendly with those in close to Boris and his pals is an entirely different conversation. As is the fact that at least one of these companies wasted tens of millions on unusable PPE from Turkey. A valid point, maybe a post about the problem with The UK government procurement of PPE during the pandemic? That was an urgent situation so understandable in many ways. However with long term planning we need to wean ourselves away from chinese cheap goods and those supplied using poverty labour ." It could be the way, time can only tell if that will happen. | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?
That's ancient history. Let's keep with the current disaster Covid.
The chinese need to be shamed of the way this happened. Never fear someone because they are powerful. History and common sense tells us appeasement simply is pathetic and doesnt work .
Liken it to the school yard bully ?
Right ok.
So is there a cut of point for this pick and mix history?
Never fear the school bully.
Always worked a treat.
Yes we can only deal with here and now, not do a thing about the past. No point dwelling on what occurred 100 years ago.
I think the germans would agree with that ? "Right. So we can conveniently forget about the chaos we have caused in the middle east then? And how exactly do we'stand up'to one of the most powerful countries on the planet? | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?
That's ancient history. Let's keep with the current disaster Covid.
The chinese need to be shamed of the way this happened. Never fear someone because they are powerful. History and common sense tells us appeasement simply is pathetic and doesnt work .
Liken it to the school yard bully ?
Right ok.
So is there a cut of point for this pick and mix history?
Never fear the school bully.
Always worked a treat.
Indeed .. I imagine you were bullied with that approach? "You can imagine what you like. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff"" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? " . Well said true British spirit | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?
That's ancient history. Let's keep with the current disaster Covid.
The chinese need to be shamed of the way this happened. Never fear someone because they are powerful. History and common sense tells us appeasement simply is pathetic and doesnt work .
Liken it to the school yard bully ?"that's on assumption that it really did start there - just because their doctors & scientists were the first who correctly identified it & then proactively controlled & contained (the virus is a non-issue in whole of China now, bar hong kong) it doesnt necessarily mean it started from there. Strains of the virus ve been isolated in french sewers from mid last year , & Italy had 'mysterious' cases even pre-dating this but were not smart enough to identify the bug. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? "
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?
That's ancient history. Let's keep with the current disaster Covid.
The chinese need to be shamed of the way this happened. Never fear someone because they are powerful. History and common sense tells us appeasement simply is pathetic and doesnt work .
Liken it to the school yard bully ?that's on assumption that it really did start there - just because their doctors & scientists were the first who correctly identified it & then proactively controlled & contained (the virus is a non-issue in whole of China now, bar hong kong) it doesnt necessarily mean it started from there.
Strains of the virus ve been isolated in french sewers from mid last year , & Italy had 'mysterious' cases even pre-dating this but were not smart enough to identify the bug."I have whatever you are drinking! Ha . But in reality it didnt start in France or Italy !! | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? " Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. | |||
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"A mistske is something you cant really forsee or avoid the la. Was worned about keeping viruses in fridges with leaky seals and general poor protocols Good luck forcing china to pay " Agreed they would not end up paying it but It would send out the right message though . | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. " You may not have a great work ethic but many have  | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. You may not have a great work ethic but many have "I didn't say my work ethic but the Chinese and other countries work a lot harder and for a lot less than we do in the UK at lower working standards. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. You may not have a great work ethic but many have
I didn't say my work ethic but the Chinese and other countries work a lot harder and for a lot less than we do in the UK at lower working standards. "That's due to standard of living, housing costs , utility costs and not a work ethic issue ? | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. You may not have a great work ethic but many have
I didn't say my work ethic but the Chinese and other countries work a lot harder and for a lot less than we do in the UK at lower working standards.
That's due to standard of living, housing costs , utility costs and not a work ethic issue ?"No but a lot of British people are very lazy when it comes to work. Not everyone. But we don't work as hard as the Chinese. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. You may not have a great work ethic but many have
I didn't say my work ethic but the Chinese and other countries work a lot harder and for a lot less than we do in the UK at lower working standards.
That's due to standard of living, housing costs , utility costs and not a work ethic issue ?
No but a lot of British people are very lazy when it comes to work. Not everyone. But we don't work as hard as the Chinese. "A huge generalisation, I think all nations have some lazy ?? Lol | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. You may not have a great work ethic but many have
I didn't say my work ethic but the Chinese and other countries work a lot harder and for a lot less than we do in the UK at lower working standards.
That's due to standard of living, housing costs , utility costs and not a work ethic issue ?
No but a lot of British people are very lazy when it comes to work. Not everyone. But we don't work as hard as the Chinese.
A huge generalisation, I think all nations have some lazy ?? Lol"I didnt say everyone. But in general we all know Germany, China, Japan etc all work much harder. Did you see a lot of unemployed or those on furlough applying to pick fruit? Nope. When employing people do I find non British nationals work harder. Yes. Do the Eastern Europeans do more for less and not complain on building sites, absolutely. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. You may not have a great work ethic but many have
I didn't say my work ethic but the Chinese and other countries work a lot harder and for a lot less than we do in the UK at lower working standards.
That's due to standard of living, housing costs , utility costs and not a work ethic issue ?
No but a lot of British people are very lazy when it comes to work. Not everyone. But we don't work as hard as the Chinese.
A huge generalisation, I think all nations have some lazy ?? Lol
I didnt say everyone. But in general we all know Germany, China, Japan etc all work much harder.
Did you see a lot of unemployed or those on furlough applying to pick fruit? Nope.
When employing people do I find non British nationals work harder. Yes.
Do the Eastern Europeans do more for less and not complain on building sites, absolutely."No ... generally no . I have worked in industry for 35 years and not found that ti be in any way true. I think that's a myth  | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again?
Exactly, the snowflake society we seem to be building is totally damaging to common sense and long term future viability. "What does that even mean? | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. You may not have a great work ethic but many have
I didn't say my work ethic but the Chinese and other countries work a lot harder and for a lot less than we do in the UK at lower working standards.
That's due to standard of living, housing costs , utility costs and not a work ethic issue ?
No but a lot of British people are very lazy when it comes to work. Not everyone. But we don't work as hard as the Chinese.
A huge generalisation, I think all nations have some lazy ?? Lol
I didnt say everyone. But in general we all know Germany, China, Japan etc all work much harder.
Did you see a lot of unemployed or those on furlough applying to pick fruit? Nope.
When employing people do I find non British nationals work harder. Yes.
Do the Eastern Europeans do more for less and not complain on building sites, absolutely."I'm not sure they work harder. They simply have better economies. Thanks to a certain someone our economy is now totally reliant on service and the city. | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. You may not have a great work ethic but many have
I didn't say my work ethic but the Chinese and other countries work a lot harder and for a lot less than we do in the UK at lower working standards.
That's due to standard of living, housing costs , utility costs and not a work ethic issue ?
No but a lot of British people are very lazy when it comes to work. Not everyone. But we don't work as hard as the Chinese.
A huge generalisation, I think all nations have some lazy ?? Lol
I didnt say everyone. But in general we all know Germany, China, Japan etc all work much harder.
Did you see a lot of unemployed or those on furlough applying to pick fruit? Nope.
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"“That was an urgent situation so understandable in many ways. However with long term planning we need to wean ourselves away from chinese cheap goods and those supplied using poverty labour .” Which bit was understandable, the part where the government ignored our own PPE and medical equipment suppliers so they sold their products abroad; the bit where the government gave contracts to their friends who had no experience of sourcing PPE, or the bit where said friends made a complete mess of it and bought a load of useless gear? Actually the last part is understandable, if you rely on friends who have neither the skills or knowledge to do a job you shouldn’t be surprised if they waste millions of taxpayer’s pounds (but make a tidy profit for themselves)." Very easy to criticise, it was all done in very much of a rush. The error was in the pre planning and lack of stockpiling | |||
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"Communist China is not to be trusted and should have no input on this country's 5g network. They oppress any opposition and are completely untrustworthy. They wouldn't pay anything anyway. China hasn’t been Communist since the early 80s, a totalitarian dictatorship yes but not Communist. The Chinese communist party are still dictating policy
And North Korea calls itself the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea but I’m not sure I’d call it a democracy."Of course it is, provided you think and do as they say  | |||
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"Considering the outbreak originated there, should China pay reparations for all the economic damage they have caused Over the world because they could not contain the virus and refused to acknowledge its existence? If they did what type of reparations should they give? I don't think so. Every one else has made plenty of mistakes too... From the WHO to the EU to the British government and to the public who continue to spread false information and virus and revel in the instability it has caused. But we can choose to buy less product from China and wherever possible buy locally produced "stuff" Now here's a sound idea! Buy less consumable crap and generally value our own products and industry?(what we have left?) We're an island for a reason and whilst stuck with a global economy more training of home grown talent and our own resources would make us a stronger country in the long run? Lets ignore the accountants and short term bean countersfor a while and instead invest in our future and the long game as the Chinese seem to be doing? Rule Britannia again? Would you drop your hourly rate then? Do you think think this country has the ethic to work as hard as other countries? Do you think we have the technology? It just doesn't work. China is cheaper, they have better tech. There is no rule britannia, those days are gone. Even if you buy local stuff (non food) most of it has imported components. You may not have a great work ethic but many have
I didn't say my work ethic but the Chinese and other countries work a lot harder and for a lot less than we do in the UK at lower working standards. "This highlights the importance of not joining a race to the bottom | |||
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"“That was an urgent situation so understandable in many ways. However with long term planning we need to wean ourselves away from chinese cheap goods and those supplied using poverty labour .” Which bit was understandable, the part where the government ignored our own PPE and medical equipment suppliers so they sold their products abroad; the bit where the government gave contracts to their friends who had no experience of sourcing PPE, or the bit where said friends made a complete mess of it and bought a load of useless gear? Actually the last part is understandable, if you rely on friends who have neither the skills or knowledge to do a job you shouldn’t be surprised if they waste millions of taxpayer’s pounds (but make a tidy profit for themselves). Very easy to criticise, it was all done in very much of a rush. The error was in the pre planning and lack of stockpiling " No, the error was in ignoring the people who actually make medical equipment and PPE in favour of giving the responsibility to friends of the Goves and Cummings who had no experience in sourcing PPE or indeed the skills to do the job. | |||
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"“That was an urgent situation so understandable in many ways. However with long term planning we need to wean ourselves away from chinese cheap goods and those supplied using poverty labour .” Which bit was understandable, the part where the government ignored our own PPE and medical equipment suppliers so they sold their products abroad; the bit where the government gave contracts to their friends who had no experience of sourcing PPE, or the bit where said friends made a complete mess of it and bought a load of useless gear? Actually the last part is understandable, if you rely on friends who have neither the skills or knowledge to do a job you shouldn’t be surprised if they waste millions of taxpayer’s pounds (but make a tidy profit for themselves). Very easy to criticise, it was all done in very much of a rush. The error was in the pre planning and lack of stockpiling No, the error was in ignoring the people who actually make medical equipment and PPE in favour of giving the responsibility to friends of the Goves and Cummings who had no experience in sourcing PPE or indeed the skills to do the job." Dunno where you heard that, because we were dealing with the same purchasing people as we always have been. The professional procurement teamm | |||
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"Yes without doubt. This is the chinese authorities deceiving their people and large scale to manslaughter. The focus is on reparations to the rest of the world due to the supression of information for initial outbreak and all the damage and deaths resulting from the chinese disease." Fully agree , we will not get them them to admit responsibility but at the moment some are easily deceived by the online pseudoscience nonsense. Let's get back to reality , China and their awful record is the cause of this. | |||
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"Yes without doubt. This is the chinese authorities deceiving their people and large scale to manslaughter. The focus is on reparations to the rest of the world due to the supression of information for initial outbreak and all the damage and deaths resulting from the chinese disease." So if you cause death in another country you should pay reparations? | |||
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"“That was an urgent situation so understandable in many ways. However with long term planning we need to wean ourselves away from chinese cheap goods and those supplied using poverty labour .” Which bit was understandable, the part where the government ignored our own PPE and medical equipment suppliers so they sold their products abroad; the bit where the government gave contracts to their friends who had no experience of sourcing PPE, or the bit where said friends made a complete mess of it and bought a load of useless gear? Actually the last part is understandable, if you rely on friends who have neither the skills or knowledge to do a job you shouldn’t be surprised if they waste millions of taxpayer’s pounds (but make a tidy profit for themselves). Very easy to criticise, it was all done in very much of a rush. The error was in the pre planning and lack of stockpiling No, the error was in ignoring the people who actually make medical equipment and PPE in favour of giving the responsibility to friends of the Goves and Cummings who had no experience in sourcing PPE or indeed the skills to do the job. Dunno where you heard that, because we were dealing with the same purchasing people as we always have been. The professional procurement teamm" It's been in the press a fair bit, we're not talking about the usual NHS supply chain bit, it's the larger scale stuff the government put in place when it finally listened to the professionals who told it there wasn't enough PPE. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-ppe-contracts-conservative-labour-covid-a9622131.html | |||
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"Did Spain payed for Spanish flu? " No, and not just because it originated in America, not Spain. | |||
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"Did Spain payed for Spanish flu? No, and not just because it originated in America, not Spain." Did it? Scientist still can't agree its origin France, Britain, China, USA being suggested, but to one they can agree it was not Spain, but we'll done for knowing it was America | |||
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"Did Spain payed for Spanish flu? No, and not just because it originated in America, not Spain. Did it? Scientist still can't agree its origin France, Britain, China, USA being suggested, but to one they can agree it was not Spain, but we'll done for knowing it was America "The point they were making was that it was not Spain. X | |||
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" Hitler scapegoated the Jews (and other "undesirables"), let's not do the same to the Chinese. Then again the ccp is killing it's own citizens in concentration camps because of their Faiths and even selling their organs. And yet still we choose to talk with our wallets and show how much we care. Fill our houses with "cheap" stuff from China from amaz.on and e. Bay... That's how much we care about others. Still support businesses who source and manufacture increasingly from china.. And so continue to support and grow that regime. We know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Are none of your phone parts from China. China is a big part of globalisation as they can produce, faster, more efficient, cheaper and have a better work ethic. It's going to be hard for everyone to change habbits and go without. 100 % agree... And the irony /hypocrisy is... I've got a frigging huawei handset. I was in 2 minds at the time but went for price over conscience. It can't be done over night. But if we start to unwind it slowly... We can have an influence. " Yes I have one too but I just bought it because it was a good deal nothing political....don't understand politics anyway | |||
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"Yes, v well summarised indeed. I wonder how long USA would have taken to alert the world if they were the ones who discovered Covid (or rather realised a pandemic is occurring) . Sadly so many of the masses have bought into the Americanised version of who are the good guys & who are the bad." This It's amazing how many main stream US films (and not half bad ones actually!) reflect this dickhead view of cowboys and Indians.civilized people and terrorists, good guys vs bad guys. Us vs them. Whoops I may have got too relaxed this evening  | |||
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"The amount of shit storms the West has been responsible for, I think it best we start looking for solutions instead of playing the blame game. I think that can of worms should be left well alone. Unreal isnt it? They do not learn from this and completely outed and shamed. Their "bat eating ways" of letting wild species of different animals coming into close proximity with others and leading to spreading of disease needs to change
I'm not sure outing and shaming one of the most powerful countries on the planet is a great idea tbh.
Are we going to be named and shamed for some of the shit we have got upto?
I think we are more informed now about the things that have happened in past with the western powers. That level of introspection is not uniform around the World.
We seem to have a knack in this country of giving out lectures to other countries."A throw back to our Colonial days when we owned half the world. | |||
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"Absolutely, I love being mugged and robbed because we chinese people have to pay... No you don’t deserve that, that is wrong. No individual should be intimidated or absued because of their race." Try telling that to my 10yr old grandson who is half Chinese, when this virus fist kicked of some of his classmates told him they could not sit next to him as their parents had told them he was Chinese. | |||
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"Here comes the hunt for the Chinese again.. there is no proof they started it. They were the first to report it and there are some reports from some countries they found evidence that the virus has been around well before it hit the chinese. Everyone complained they were lying when at the time no one knew what it was and they were the first to report it. Everyone complained when they locked people down and then everyone started doing the same.. It's just.. sad." It's no hunt for china it's a big place and easy to find ha Let's not pretend though it didn't start in china ! | |||
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"Here comes the hunt for the Chinese again.. there is no proof they started it. They were the first to report it and there are some reports from some countries they found evidence that the virus has been around well before it hit the chinese. Everyone complained they were lying when at the time no one knew what it was and they were the first to report it. Everyone complained when they locked people down and then everyone started doing the same.. It's just.. sad. It's no hunt for china it's a big place and easy to find ha Let's not pretend though it didn't start in china ! " Nope they just made it and shipped it out to the world.  | |||
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"Here comes the hunt for the Chinese again.. there is no proof they started it. They were the first to report it and there are some reports from some countries they found evidence that the virus has been around well before it hit the chinese. Everyone complained they were lying when at the time no one knew what it was and they were the first to report it. Everyone complained when they locked people down and then everyone started doing the same.. It's just.. sad. It's no hunt for china it's a big place and easy to find ha Let's not pretend though it didn't start in china ! Nope they just made it and shipped it out to the world. "Exactly and they need to be sanctioned for it . | |||
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"Here comes the hunt for the Chinese again.. there is no proof they started it. They were the first to report it and there are some reports from some countries they found evidence that the virus has been around well before it hit the chinese. Everyone complained they were lying when at the time no one knew what it was and they were the first to report it. Everyone complained when they locked people down and then everyone started doing the same.. It's just.. sad. It's no hunt for china it's a big place and easy to find ha Let's not pretend though it didn't start in china ! Nope they just made it and shipped it out to the world. "Any..you know what's that word..evidence? | |||
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"Here comes the hunt for the Chinese again.. there is no proof they started it. They were the first to report it and there are some reports from some countries they found evidence that the virus has been around well before it hit the chinese. Everyone complained they were lying when at the time no one knew what it was and they were the first to report it. Everyone complained when they locked people down and then everyone started doing the same.. It's just.. sad. It's no hunt for china it's a big place and easy to find ha Let's not pretend though it didn't start in china ! Nope they just made it and shipped it out to the world.
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"Here comes the hunt for the Chinese again.. there is no proof they started it. They were the first to report it and there are some reports from some countries they found evidence that the virus has been around well before it hit the chinese. Everyone complained they were lying when at the time no one knew what it was and they were the first to report it. Everyone complained when they locked people down and then everyone started doing the same.. It's just.. sad. It's no hunt for china it's a big place and easy to find ha Let's not pretend though it didn't start in china ! Nope they just made it and shipped it out to the world.
Exactly and they need to be sanctioned for it .
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"We are currently in a holding pattern, nothing will happen to the CCP till after the US election. Its as balanced as that. November 3rd outcome will be night v day as to what happens. " Nothing will happen, regardless of who wins the US elections. | |||
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"They started it, they imedietly shut down domestic flights from Wuhan, They kept international flights out of China going, they purposely and deliberately destroyed the rest of the worlds economys, there fixed it for ya... " Source? | |||
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"They started it, they imedietly shut down domestic flights from Wuhan, They kept international flights out of China going, they purposely and deliberately destroyed the rest of the worlds economys, there fixed it for ya... " Not disputing some of that. And there are some glorious theories out there... And there may be some truth in some of them. But if the rest of the worlds economies have made themselves so dependent on one nation. More fool them. Basic business practise... Never depend on only one supplier for your supplies or one customer for your sales. All those international flights needed to land somewhere... We could have made a decision to not allow any flights to land from a region ride with an infectious virus but we chose to continue to allow them in. Our general population demand cheap... And so we purchase from a regime that we despise for its human rights records but not quite enough to pay a bit extra and support our own economy. We the general population have the power to choose where we buy and what we buy. So before we blithely condemn others... Have a think about if we have done everything we can to support our own economy and way of life. | |||
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"They started it, they imedietly shut down domestic flights from Wuhan, They kept international flights out of China going, they purposely and deliberately destroyed the rest of the worlds economys, there fixed it for ya... Not disputing some of that. And there are some glorious theories out there... And there may be some truth in some of them. But if the rest of the worlds economies have made themselves so dependent on one nation. More fool them. Basic business practise... Never depend on only one supplier for your supplies or one customer for your sales. All those international flights needed to land somewhere... We could have made a decision to not allow any flights to land from a region ride with an infectious virus but we chose to continue to allow them in. Our general population demand cheap... And so we purchase from a regime that we despise for its human rights records but not quite enough to pay a bit extra and support our own economy. We the general population have the power to choose where we buy and what we buy. So before we blithely condemn others... Have a think about if we have done everything we can to support our own economy and way of life. " They purposely and deliberity destroyed the world rest of the worlds economies? If people are getting het up about ridiculous conspiracy theories. Perhaps we should start with that one. | |||
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"They purposely and deliberity destroyed the world rest of the worlds economies? If people are getting het up about ridiculous conspiracy theories. Perhaps we should start with that one. " If I were in charge of an economy that was largely reliant on other economies buying things from my economy, then I probably wouldn't deliberately destroy the economies that enabled my economy to function. | |||
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"They purposely and deliberity destroyed the world rest of the worlds economies? If people are getting het up about ridiculous conspiracy theories. Perhaps we should start with that one. If I were in charge of an economy that was largely reliant on other economies buying things from my economy, then I probably wouldn't deliberately destroy the economies that enabled my economy to function." Too much common sense there. | |||
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"Some posters seem to be confusing the Chinese Government with people who are ethnically Chinese. Please don’t do that. Ordinary people have suffered regardless of age, gender and race. The Chinese Government initially covered up the outbreak in Wuhan, during a time when this could have prevented the virus from becoming the pandemic it is now. This is the crux of the issue. Should the Chinese government be paying for the huge Medical bill that COVID has caused, because they had the opportunity to stop it but they were busy pretending it did not exist. " I’m more inclined to think it’s incompetence than cover up. If you imagine how things work in companies, the CEO relies on information feeding up to him. If an intern spots a problem, it feeds back up to his manager and the manager’s manager etc... Now the issue I think is that there is a tendency to say there is no issue to look better. Or say we’ve got an issue but I’m on top of it. By the time the message has got up top, the horse has bolted. | |||
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"Yes...I would like mine delivered by amazon in a small envelope Please. That will teach them. " Would you like it marked gift and value $10 | |||
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"The thing is China now has everyone by the balls. Nearly everything that is manufactured comes from China... twenty years ago the head of a catalogue home shopping company told me that the Chinese government had told its factories to sell sell sell to the west at cheap prices... we all happily enjoyed buying from China. Manufacturing died a death in other countries, skilled workforce’s were lost. The genius of the long term plan was that they put the prices up and have no competition! We are all hooked on cheap next day stuff... like consumer junkies we have fallen for the quiet and clever master plan. " We decided to destroy our own manufacturing industry. It was nothing to do with China. | |||
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"The thing is China now has everyone by the balls. Nearly everything that is manufactured comes from China... twenty years ago the head of a catalogue home shopping company told me that the Chinese government had told its factories to sell sell sell to the west at cheap prices... we all happily enjoyed buying from China. Manufacturing died a death in other countries, skilled workforce’s were lost. The genius of the long term plan was that they put the prices up and have no competition! We are all hooked on cheap next day stuff... like consumer junkies we have fallen for the quiet and clever master plan. We decided to destroy our own manufacturing industry. It was nothing to do with China." Manufacturing was distorted by the banks as it takes long term investment, and bankers want a quick buck and see long term investment to risky. Lost of UK companies have had to seek investment from over sea so end up being owed by others. | |||
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"Some posters seem to be confusing the Chinese Government with people who are ethnically Chinese. Please don’t do that. Ordinary people have suffered regardless of age, gender and race. The Chinese Government initially covered up the outbreak in Wuhan, during a time when this could have prevented the virus from becoming the pandemic it is now. This is the crux of the issue. Should the Chinese government be paying for the huge Medical bill that COVID has caused, because they had the opportunity to stop it but they were busy pretending it did not exist. " The Chinese published the full covid-19 genome sequence around January 10th - I don't recall the exact date, so let's call it the 2nd week of January. Search the date that it was published to the world. That is not the mark of a government that is denying that something exists. The UK had ample opportunity to restrict travel etc, from that point onwards. It didn't, so the virus appears to have entered the UK multiple times, in different places here triggering local hotspots, mainly from travellers from Europe. We locked down over 2 months later, after these multiple incidents of travellers bringing the virus in, mostly seemingly from the European countries that were overwhelmed. Whilst the virus seems to have come from China, our lack of restructions let it enter here, weeks after the Chinese government had made full details of the virus public. We need to accept responsibility for ourselves, when it is due. | |||
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"Some posters seem to be confusing the Chinese Government with people who are ethnically Chinese. Please don’t do that. Ordinary people have suffered regardless of age, gender and race. The Chinese Government initially covered up the outbreak in Wuhan, during a time when this could have prevented the virus from becoming the pandemic it is now. This is the crux of the issue. Should the Chinese government be paying for the huge Medical bill that COVID has caused, because they had the opportunity to stop it but they were busy pretending it did not exist. The Chinese published the full covid-19 genome sequence around January 10th - I don't recall the exact date, so let's call it the 2nd week of January. Search the date that it was published to the world. That is not the mark of a government that is denying that something exists. The UK had ample opportunity to restrict travel etc, from that point onwards. It didn't, so the virus appears to have entered the UK multiple times, in different places here triggering local hotspots, mainly from travellers from Europe. We locked down over 2 months later, after these multiple incidents of travellers bringing the virus in, mostly seemingly from the European countries that were overwhelmed. Whilst the virus seems to have come from China, our lack of restructions let it enter here, weeks after the Chinese government had made full details of the virus public. We need to accept responsibility for ourselves, when it is due. " Yup it's all our fault | |||
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"The thing is China now has everyone by the balls. Nearly everything that is manufactured comes from China... twenty years ago the head of a catalogue home shopping company told me that the Chinese government had told its factories to sell sell sell to the west at cheap prices... we all happily enjoyed buying from China. Manufacturing died a death in other countries, skilled workforce’s were lost. The genius of the long term plan was that they put the prices up and have no competition! We are all hooked on cheap next day stuff... like consumer junkies we have fallen for the quiet and clever master plan. We decided to destroy our own manufacturing industry. It was nothing to do with China. Manufacturing was distorted by the banks as it takes long term investment, and bankers want a quick buck and see long term investment to risky. Lost of UK companies have had to seek investment from over sea so end up being owed by others." Thatcher destroyed our industry 40 years ago | |||
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"You're fucking right. Devious little bastards. Anyone offended I don't give a fuck. The most devious cruel nation ever. Taken over from Russia as pest number one. Cunts." If self delusion was an Olympic sport britain would take gold.silver and bronze. | |||
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"Some posters seem to be confusing the Chinese Government with people who are ethnically Chinese. Please don’t do that. Ordinary people have suffered regardless of age, gender and race. The Chinese Government initially covered up the outbreak in Wuhan, during a time when this could have prevented the virus from becoming the pandemic it is now. This is the crux of the issue. Should the Chinese government be paying for the huge Medical bill that COVID has caused, because they had the opportunity to stop it but they were busy pretending it did not exist. The Chinese published the full covid-19 genome sequence around January 10th - I don't recall the exact date, so let's call it the 2nd week of January. Search the date that it was published to the world. That is not the mark of a government that is denying that something exists. The UK had ample opportunity to restrict travel etc, from that point onwards. It didn't, so the virus appears to have entered the UK multiple times, in different places here triggering local hotspots, mainly from travellers from Europe. We locked down over 2 months later, after these multiple incidents of travellers bringing the virus in, mostly seemingly from the European countries that were overwhelmed. Whilst the virus seems to have come from China, our lack of restructions let it enter here, weeks after the Chinese government had made full details of the virus public. We need to accept responsibility for ourselves, when it is due. Yup it's all our fault" Nothing is ever our responsibility. Ever. | |||
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"Some posters seem to be confusing the Chinese Government with people who are ethnically Chinese. Please don’t do that. Ordinary people have suffered regardless of age, gender and race. The Chinese Government initially covered up the outbreak in Wuhan, during a time when this could have prevented the virus from becoming the pandemic it is now. This is the crux of the issue. Should the Chinese government be paying for the huge Medical bill that COVID has caused, because they had the opportunity to stop it but they were busy pretending it did not exist. The Chinese published the full covid-19 genome sequence around January 10th - I don't recall the exact date, so let's call it the 2nd week of January. Search the date that it was published to the world. That is not the mark of a government that is denying that something exists. The UK had ample opportunity to restrict travel etc, from that point onwards. It didn't, so the virus appears to have entered the UK multiple times, in different places here triggering local hotspots, mainly from travellers from Europe. We locked down over 2 months later, after these multiple incidents of travellers bringing the virus in, mostly seemingly from the European countries that were overwhelmed. Whilst the virus seems to have come from China, our lack of restructions let it enter here, weeks after the Chinese government had made full details of the virus public. We need to accept responsibility for ourselves, when it is due. Yup it's all our fault Nothing is ever our responsibility. Ever." Some would like to pretend that, of course. It's usually easy to distinguish what we have full control over, what decisions we take and what the implications are from them. | |||
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"Some posters seem to be confusing the Chinese Government with people who are ethnically Chinese. Please don’t do that. Countries like Taiwan Vietnam Thailand are virtually virus free mostly due to closing their borders early. UKs, Boris's fault it took him getting the virus himself to realise this was a real threat. The clown was slow to react to everything. Ordinary people have suffered regardless of age, gender and race. The Chinese Government initially covered up the outbreak in Wuhan, during a time when this could have prevented the virus from becoming the pandemic it is now. This is the crux of the issue. Should the Chinese government be paying for the huge Medical bill that COVID has caused, because they had the opportunity to stop it but they were busy pretending it did not exist. The Chinese published the full covid-19 genome sequence around January 10th - I don't recall the exact date, so let's call it the 2nd week of January. Search the date that it was published to the world. That is not the mark of a government that is denying that something exists. The UK had ample opportunity to restrict travel etc, from that point onwards. It didn't, so the virus appears to have entered the UK multiple times, in different places here triggering local hotspots, mainly from travellers from Europe. We locked down over 2 months later, after these multiple incidents of travellers bringing the virus in, mostly seemingly from the European countries that were overwhelmed. Whilst the virus seems to have come from China, our lack of restructions let it enter here, weeks after the Chinese government had made full details of the virus public. We need to accept responsibility for ourselves, when it is due. Yup it's all our fault" | |||
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" The Chinese published the full covid-19 genome sequence around January 10th - I don't recall the exact date, so let's call it the 2nd week of January. Search the date that it was published to the world. That is not the mark of a government that is denying that something exists. The UK had ample opportunity to restrict travel etc, from that point onwards. It didn't, so the virus appears to have entered the UK multiple times, in different places here triggering local hotspots, mainly from travellers from Europe. We locked down over 2 months later, after these multiple incidents of travellers bringing the virus in, mostly seemingly from the European countries that were overwhelmed. Whilst the virus seems to have come from China, our lack of restructions let it enter here, weeks after the Chinese government had made full details of the virus public. We need to accept responsibility for ourselves, when it is due. " Society does not allow criminals to walk free and give the community extra strong locks on doors and windows to keep them out, the criminals are locked up. China should have locked down the country far sooner and had a total travel ban sooner this would have restricted the spread of the virus. Simples! It's China's fault it got out no other nations | |||
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"Some posters seem to be confusing the Chinese Government with people who are ethnically Chinese. Please don’t do that. Ordinary people have suffered regardless of age, gender and race. The Chinese Government initially covered up the outbreak in Wuhan, during a time when this could have prevented the virus from becoming the pandemic it is now. This is the crux of the issue. Should the Chinese government be paying for the huge Medical bill that COVID has caused, because they had the opportunity to stop it but they were busy pretending it did not exist. The Chinese published the full covid-19 genome sequence around January 10th - I don't recall the exact date, so let's call it the 2nd week of January. Search the date that it was published to the world. That is not the mark of a government that is denying that something exists. The UK had ample opportunity to restrict travel etc, from that point onwards. It didn't, so the virus appears to have entered the UK multiple times, in different places here triggering local hotspots, mainly from travellers from Europe. We locked down over 2 months later, after these multiple incidents of travellers bringing the virus in, mostly seemingly from the European countries that were overwhelmed. Whilst the virus seems to have come from China, our lack of restructions let it enter here, weeks after the Chinese government had made full details of the virus public. We need to accept responsibility for ourselves, when it is due. " The delay in reporting, the covering up of where it originated, the ban on independant news channels a leading to report it , the arrest of doctors etc etc .... this was handled appallingly by the Chinese authorities in terms of alerting the test of the world  | |||
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